Number 1 Silverado Issue - How To Fix GMC and Chevy Frame Rust and Undercoating Sierra Tahoe

[@michaelforeman6386]

YES!!! THIS VIDEO IS FINALLY HERE! Can’t wait to do this to my Silverado. Thanks gents!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Haha no problem! Sorry it took so long to get up! Very glad I did it to my truck 😁 just have to do the front half still

[@AndrewKellman]

@@TheSundaeDrive do a video on the front

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I will be. I'm going to show how to lift the cab etc but it probably won't be until next summer. Working on the AFM delete right now so those videos will be coming out next

[@AndrewKellman]

@@TheSundaeDrive Can't wait. I'm currently in the process of doing my rear end and following your video! Thanks. I'm sure I'll follow your video for the front as well

[@TheSundaeDrive]

@@AndrewKellman awesome! One thing I would do differently. Score/rough up the surface thoroughly and apply lots of metal prep to any bare metal to make sure you get the best bond of the por15

[@oldcorps8052]

Best video on GM truck frame corrosion prevention I've seen. Thanks a lot. Good job.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Thanks! It was a lot of work but worth it. Only thing I would have done differently would have been to score the surface a bit before using the metal prep to help the paint have the best bond possible. Now I just have to do the front half 😬

[@L8nightride1]

thank you. I just bought a silverado 2500HD and I wanted to add a spray on bed liner and gooseneck to my bed. One thing I noticed when inspecting the truck was that the frame was in rough shape. I was just telling my buddy that I wanted to remove the bed so that I could fix the frame rails correctly. I didn't know there was such a problem with their manufacturing process. You really enlightened me to another fix. Fortunate for my buddy he is in the same boat.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Glad it helped give you some insight. Frustrating after spending so much that it takes this much work to fix properly.

[@L8nightride1]

The Sundae Drive have you ever tried the vibrating metal fingers tool? I saw another video where he used those. Just curious before I get started

[@Fishing570]

Excellent videoes! My step dad was just given a 2007 gmc sierra regular cab long bed for free by my brother in law. The trucks transmission is bad so we are taking our time and are going to be doing some resto on the frame of the truck. Keep up the great work!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Awesome! Sounds like a good project 👍 best of luck with it!

[@mosspurcell4087]

I am doing my 2017 Silverado tomorrow using this Video!!! I ordered everything with the links you provided and have a shop taking off the bed since I don't have any help sadly. But I will be doing this outside under a canopy so fingers crossed on that part. I searched for nearly 2 months and this was the best way to do it in my opinion. A shop was going to charge me $3600 to do it so i figured id give it a try. Wish me luck and thank you for this advice!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Best of luck with it! Take your time and prep the metal and you'll be good!

[@mosspurcell4087]

@@TheSundaeDrive Will do! Thank you! Ill let you know how i did

[@jpatt973]

Great video and good work ...I have done the same process u did many times before on all different brands of trucks usually takes around three years and the por will start to peel off and trap salt and moisture and accelerate the rust .the best thing I've used is New Hampshire oil once a year it is messy to work on the truck but worth it ...the wax coating stays soft and never peels off .I get compliments all the time on how well the frame looks, the truck is a 2015 Silverado and I live in the northeast.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I may use the oil method on the front half and start adding it to the rear as well. Good tips!

[@nikkikiah7790]

I have a 2001 Chevy silverado and the shocks fell off because so much rust it only has 75,000 miles on it and I can't get a sticker is there anyone who can fix it and how much will cost me

[@ImprovisedExpletiveDevice]

The wire brush is good because after you scrape it across the surface of the metal, you're actually smoothing over small pores in the metal, which makes it harder for the metal to rust as easily.

[@anthonymacneil2279]

I bought my 2017 HC new and it was completely rust proofed everywhere, with Krown. It still looks brand new, no rust and none of the wax coating peeled. The undercoating seemed to have stopped the wax from peeling.🤔 Great video.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Glad to hear it! Good to know that it is holding up well!

[@anthonymacneil2279]

@@TheSundaeDrive Sorry, how's yours holding up after this? I suspect good after all the work you done

[@TheSundaeDrive]

@@anthonymacneil2279 good so far!

[@brendanhouston9577]

Absolutely well done video. My 2017's wax frame is already peeling off and exposing rust around welds and cracks. You inspired me to do the same to mine!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

It's definitely a lot of work but I think well worth the effort. Hopefully it helps you when you go to do yours!

[@rodneywelch3556]

Seeing this makes me cringe as my 2008 GMC Sierra is in much worse shape. You’ve done an excellent job with this!!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Definetely frustrating. Thank you tho!

[@jessehoekstra5802]

The reason you stir it rather than shaking is to reduce air bubble formation in the coating

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Thanks!

[@brianlor3896]

Legit! Can't wait to see the front cab video. My 2017 isn't so bad but i did notice some spots and im really debating on doing this. The reason i hesitated is that doing something like this is going to void manufacture warranty. Now seeing the small area of surface rust is making me really want to do this.

[@bruceturek3412]

wow nice job on the frame. yea i cringe when look under my Silverado plus i noticed that a cross member needs a weld repair. thanks for the video good motivation thanks for giving me a push

[@TheSundaeDrive]

You got it man! Best of luck with your truck!

[@gsm19911]

A 2014 with this much rust on the frame in 2019. Absolutely poor quality from GM. And to think folks pay the amounts of money the do for these rust buckets.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Some newer ones are even worse. Never buy new lol. I got mine used and glad I did. Every company has its problems. Tacoma's break in half lol. Problem is the throw away mentality. No one keeps anything for more than 5 years.

[@Avalanche2]

Shame, these trucks are meant to last until the warranty expires and not much else. I bought a 2002 Avalanche brand new and babied it - the entire truck rusted away to nothing,.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

😢 that stinks. Trying to avoid having that happen to this truck as best as possible

[@willc5979]

@@TheSundaeDrive GM's are the same as the old Tacoma, tundras and sequoias. The newer ones are much better after the lawsuit. I've seen enough rotted Silverado that I'm surprised there isn't a class action lawsuit against them.

[@zell863]

@@willc5979 All that pickups are now e-coated, except GM. But Gm is at way doing it. They adding it to plants.

[@dansch82]

#1 silverado issue: waves & valleys that form in the paper thin sheet metal GM started using in 2014. The frame can rust all day & will last a lifetime; ever heard of a broken silverado frame? Me either, so you can keep this expensive time consuming project. Respect for the amount of patience & free time you have.👍

[@2dspontaneousproductions835]

I live in Montana and this just isn’t an issue. We don’t salt our roads here. I’ve been looking at the frames of 2-20 year old GM trucks around here and every one of looked just fine.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

Biggest mistake I ever made in my life was buying a Chevy Silverado from Vanbortel. Chevrolet. A little over 2 years old and the frame started rusting out and they agreed to fix it under a TSB. Well 3 months later they still have it and have not touched it. Now say they can't fix it per the TSB because they don't have equipment and GM has not trained any employees. They checked and no other dealer in the area will touch it. The only option is to have Ziebart patch it up without the Chevy warranty. Totally made a mistake buying a over 60k Chevy and buying from Vanbortel. New Silverados are rust buckets in a little over 2 years so do some research before considering one

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Oh man - that sounds terrible. I feel like at this point they should owe you a new vehicle. How can they keep it for 3 months and just now tell you they can't do anything with it.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

@@TheSundaeDrive For 3 months they said it was being worked on and would be finished soon. Turns out they were lying and trying to find a big dealer with a body shop to do it but none will touch the job saying it will never be right again after disassembly to fix right. GM doesn't doesn't care even though it's covered by a tsb. Stuck with a lemon.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I think you can get lemon law involved. I don't know what they mean it won't ever be right again tho, that doesn't make any sense. You remove the cab and bed, strip and spray it and done. Not rocket science. Dealers are lazy.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Unless the rust is so bad it needs a new frame but If that is the case I would hope gm would cover it but then again, I have my doubts lol

[@Rich72ish]

POR15 is a great product. POR stands for paint over rust. It dries from the inside out so there's no porosity. Regular paint dries from the outside in so as the VOCs evaporate they have to come through the dried exterior. It's also tough as nails. You can hit it with a hammer and not affect it. I've never used the surface prep. Always used it on seasoned metal. Light coat of rust. It bonds best to that rough textured surface. I found that multiple coats work best if you just allow the 1st coat to just set up. If it dries it won't even stick or etch into itself. Lacquer thinner won't take it off Once dry. And it will never come off concrete. Or your skin. Make sure you do the bed and rockers and cab corners. Labor intensive but great results. The fluid film is similar to the waxy coating but requires reoeated applications used in snow removal equipment industries. Another company is Rohmar products they have a product called Lubriseal. It sticks like undercoating and seals it very well.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Thanks for the tips! Definetely tough stuff

[@casheighty8]

Best way is to sandblast, spray metal prep (etching), let sit as directed then rinse thoroughly, allow to flash rust over since por15 and chassis saver actually need rust for adhesion, apply coats with a sponge (way easier than a paint brush), allow to dry. And DO NOT open the can like he did! Drill a small hole on top and pour into a smaller cup size of your choice. Then immediately cover that hole with duct tape. It cures with air so do leave what you aren’t using immediately exposed to oxygen.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Good tips but shouldn't you mix the POR15 tho before pouring it out? You'll need the lid off to mix.

[@johnpeters9903]

@@TheSundaeDrive listen to this man. he knows the drill. i would buy a 6 pack of smaller cans.

[@jacobzimmerly]

Nice job. I would advise against POR-15 and rubberized products. Rubberized undercoating turns porous over time and actually holds water like a sponge. Por-15 peels over time. I recommend an oil based enamel, topcoated with a cosmoline product.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I may change it out at some point in the next couple of years. Going to be doing more research and doing a follow up video

[@mikesawyer1336]

I've done a ton of research on this and I agree I would not use a rubberized undercoating over your finished por 15. I'd go with the a lanolin a based product like Wholwax. It locks the moisture out, doesn't dry - it does need to be reapplied every two years but it'll work a lot better in the long run than any rubberized coating.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

So I've started doing that this past year. Need to really finish the front half tho. Much harder to work on but need to do it

[@SK-pn1pe]

POR 15 is crazy stuff. I laughed at the end of the video when it looks like you got some on your face. I had some splash and hit my ear....took over 2 weeks for it to finally come off. Stuff is nuclear. I'd wear a bio-hazard suit if I was gonna attempt what you just did. Its the best coating you can get though, hands down. If a truck manufacturer teamed up with POR 15 and made that their standard for frame and underbody coating straight from the factory.....they would rule the world.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Agreed! Haha the stuff I got on me took forever to come off. Fingers crossed it holds up as well on the frame as it did on my 😉 I am still going to hit everything with some fluid film to be safe but I think between these two, my frame should be sealed up pretty well. I just have to get the front half done now. I wish automotive manufactures would do that but no one keeps their vehicle's long enough for them to care 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@TagGeorge]

But then the trucks would last too long and then you would not have to but another from them.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Lol hit the nail on the head

[@jerryfollett310]

My 2017 serria had rust appearing when I bought it off the lot .... I have had many cheve trucks... I had the same complaint with all of them and all my trucks were well looked after

[@johndough1738]

POR 15 is a wonderful product, not for frames thought. I use an oil based spray on mine, seeps and creeps. Only downside it needs to be redone every year or two.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I plan to do that on top of the por15. It's not a leave it and done solution for sure. If you want it to last, you need to apply and oil based spray on top of whatever you treat the base with.

[@chrisstanley9063]

Great video thanks my 2018 gmc elevation is in body shop now they are taking box off to hope they work at it as good as you did terrible though 4 yrs old and have to do this to my pickup

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Best of luck with it! Make sure they drop the fuel tank too!

[@B-rad303]

Another thing about the wax frame that's really awesome is when you climb under your truck to do an oil change or anything for that matter.. shit gets all over your shirt and arms from the frame. And will never come off. Thanks GM!

[@chevy0771]

That looks so freaking nice. I can’t wait to take care of my new trucks frame. I bought a 2007 Chevy Silverado 1500 4 x 4 and the frame looks so terrible it’s nasty and rusted. I want to make it look new again.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

A lot of work for sure but take your time with it and it will turn out nice

[@TexasRedneck]

You mentioned doing a long term review of this, so how’d it turn out? This is something I need to do. Thought of using Ospho(spelling) and then just painting it with a textured paint of choice.

[@vernejohnson8589]

Hi my name is Verne, I just wanted to tell you fantastic video and I really like the frame in your truck and fully believe this is the best way to go on my truck, anyway you did and the frame looks fantastic. Verne Johnson 😊.

[@lsimpson6223]

Not gonna read all of the comments (430 and counting) but a comment on the stir vs agitate the paint. Take a clear bottle and fill it half full of polyurethane, shellac, varnish, etc that is clear or opaque. Now shake the half full bottle/jar for 1 minute. Note the air bubbles and how they stay suspended. That is why they say stir. Trapped air bubbles works against good product adhesion. Maybe only my opinion, but also over 40 years experience.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Good point! A few others mentioned that too. Thanks for the input!

[@EquilibriumAlchemist]

Looking to upgrade from my old cherokee, rust isnt new, a familiar word. However, this wax thing. Very sad. I am looking to move to a 2005 ish Silverado. In terms of the products you just mentioned, por-15 can be expensive and other products may be opted for. However, I swear by the metal prep and a MUST have. I use a basic Mastercraft flux core welder, and makes my welding experience so much better. I don't know about gas, but in terms of flux core it was the best 10$ cad I've spent compared to having to import welding primer through amazon, metal prep was readily available just about everywhere.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Very very true!

[@davidswick8353]

If you have access to the fuel pump, make sure you coat it with something to prevent rust!

[@reddhazlight1496]

Great video. But rule no.1 is don’t buy a new truck in the rust belt. Without having a winter beater.

[@Richard4616]

Wax is just like paint in many ways. It doesn’t build up a film on sharp edges. The water penetrates the wax on sharp edges and creates rust which creeps under the wax or thin paint bubbles up and pushes it off. Every where they scratch the frame installing a part creates new rust..

[@TheSundaeDrive]

True, the wax works well until it is compromised. Unfortunately, it does get hard after time and flake off. If it stayed soft it probably wouldn't be as bad as it is

[@nelsonjv1]

My transmission just went out on my 2014 Silverado at 109k for the second time. Can you do a video on what the root cause and permanent repair would be?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Awe man that stinks! If you tow a lot I would suggest upgrading to a larger pan for better cooling. I would also swap out to a bad fluid like amsoil as soon as possible and change it regularly. I will definitely look into this tho and see about making a video. I hope this doesn't happen to mine 😭

[@nickcary7175]

Trade it off and get an f150 with a 10 speed a lot better truck than the chevys

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Update on what the issue is, it is the torque converter failing. I have a video coming out on it

[@SgtS0apy]

@@nickcary7175 lol thats why the 10 speed is already being discontinued

[@tommymac3029]

Great video!!! I found out my spare tire crossmember had badly rusted requiring replacement. The back side of the spare's rim was also badly corroded and had to be replaced. I don't understand why GM doesn't offer an undercoating service to recoat the frame with the wax material. There are certainly better coatings available, but if you keep on top of the coating and retouch it, it would mitigate most of the issues. How many people can afford or are able to remove the bed on their truck and clean this mess up? It looks great when done, but what a butt load of work!

[@SNELLERIZED]

Re-application will do nothing to help the issue where the original layer is cracked and separated from the metal. It must be removed.

[@Tommy_Mac]

@@SNELLERIZED not doing anything to correct it, or at very least recommending to re-coat it within a specified interval, doesn't help either.

[@kevinhicks5143]

My son used this product 7 years ago on his ford frame and I cant belleville it looks like the day he put it on prep prep prep is the key I see n some guys use it and in one year it pealed off they said they did the steps but obviously something was skipped

[@TheSundaeDrive]

That's good to hear that with the right prep it holds up well. I've been concerned after hearing everyone saying it peeled off for them. Hopefully my prep was thorough enough!

[@jonathanyates5198]

@@TheSundaeDrive Peeled off because they didn't rough up the metal. Nothing will stick to smooth metal

[@wallyfronzaglio372]

I cleaned my 03 and used correseal then sprayed boiled linseed oil and Rust-Oleum so far so good

[@mrphilly9915]

I’ll be taking a vacation this June I want to do this to my Silverado great video

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Thanks! It's a lot of work but worth it if done right.

[@vans1107]

Maybe i missed it but i thought POR15 has a metal prep that you are supposed to apply to the bare metal/rust before applying the actual paint?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Yes it does and we apply it in the video 👍 that is a critical step

[@patrickvanostran3402]

Any updates so far on the quality? I had to start gutting my 2006 silverados truck bed today as I was going to put on a bedliner, I removed the old one in preperation for the spray on and it was rusted almost completely out. The frame is still good but while Im on this project I want to re treat the frame as well. I have heard alot of people say POR15 or just bedline the frame. If yours is still looking as good as it was in the final shot Im going with the POR and then bedliner like you did. Thanks for a great video!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

glad you liked the video! I have not really driven the truck enough to give a solid review because of doing the DOD delete - It made it through one winter tho. I will do a review soon tho!

[@HODMEChannel]

@@TheSundaeDrive Please do!

[@Truthloveliberty]

@@TheSundaeDrivewe’re waiting :)

[@TheSundaeDrive]

@@Truthloveliberty no issues so far! I need to pull the bed off soon and do under the fuel tank but with the winter here in NJ will probably not be until the spring sadly.

[@camarokurt]

Dang! I just bought a 2015 2500HD with 191,000 miles. There is no wax coating at all left, and my frame looks identical to yours where you flaked off the wax coating. I live north of Spokane. I'll need to do the same as you did within the next couple years. I love the truck, but hate the rust! I swear that wax does nothing but accelerate the rust problem by trapping dirt and moisture underneath. Would have bought a Ford or Dodge, but their engines are JUNK. I love the GM 6.0

[@jasongrant5303]

Fluid film is 45 a gallon spray gun 120 I do my 2010 2 times a year on spots that wash off "wheel wells . Took rubber plugs out of rockers and put half gallon in each when I bought truck live in North East and plow with truck rockers are sold frame is rust free.many people only fluid film the frame but I do entire underside of truck.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Have you had any issues with the wires absorbing the fluid and expanding? Supposedly it's not good to get on the rubber

[@jasongrant5303]

@@TheSundaeDrive no problems at all .Going on year 6 with no problems with rubber or wires .Only complaint is it will wash off wheel wells . Tried pb blaster surface shield in wheel wells and it held up a little better but could only find in small spray cans so it would be expensive to do a entire truck with surface shield.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Cool thanks for the insight!

[@arturojimenez4382]

Are you ever gonna do the under cab frame?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Yes. I'll make a video when I do. It probably won't be until next year tho.

[@Michael-qx8bz]

Just a quick tip if u have a handheld butane torch then u can heat the coating with it and you can just wipe the coating off.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Oo, that's good to know! does that put off a lot of fumes?

[@Michael-qx8bz]

@@TheSundaeDrive no not that ive ever encountered it just liquifies and can be wiped off.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

@@Michael-qx8bz I'm getting ready to do the front half so I'll try that!

[@Michael-qx8bz]

@@TheSundaeDrive Cool deal i look foward to seeing how it turns out! Hope this helps you out for sure.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

@@Michael-qx8bz us as well!

[@j.ebowden6246]

Nice video. Again didn't even think about having bad rust protection on the frame when I bought my 2018 silverado. How did you do the frame under the cab?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Haven't done it yet but it's definitely planned. Probably later this year or next. Lot of content we are working on so have to space out the bigger jobs like that one.

[@MrRGiller]

I have a 2015 Silverado, 1500, 4X4. I live in Oklahoma. I don't know if the rust would be as severe on my frame or not, since I live in Oklahoma. Thanks for the video

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Your truck's frame probably won't be as bad since I don't think they use salt or brine or on the roads out there. From the 6 months I spent in Oklahoma tho, I know you guys do get a lot of moisture (rain, snow, hail, etc) so yours will still corrode in time but not at the same rate as mine.

[@AnthonyJ350]

Couldn't you just spray the frame every year with Fluid Film?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Yes that will work for sure but you have be careful because it eats the the wax so you may need to apply multiple times the first few years. The downside is that any service on your truck becomes very messy

[@AnthonyJ350]

@@TheSundaeDrive I agree with the messy part. I have a 2005 that I spray the whole frame, inside the rockers and all inner fenders. Spray it before summer and winter right before they start salting. Great video btw, we just treated a 2006 GMC Topkick with POR15 which is going to be used as a salt truck. We still coat it with Fluid Film after.

[@AnthonyJ350]

@@TheSundaeDrive Would it eat away the wax? It's safe for plastics. It's the only rust prevention product I've seen that's safe for use on farm equipment.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

@@AnthonyJ350 I did a lil research when deciding what to do and some people were saying it does but I haven't tested it myself 🤷‍♂️ I read it on the internet so it must be true right? 😂

[@AnthonyJ350]

@@TheSundaeDrive Ya only time will tell. Your frame looks great after the treatment.

[@ChrisJohnson-e3m]

Did por 15 stick did peel or have any problems? I had a 78. Trans Am and I had issues with it. Some of it stuck real well. Some of it Didn’t it probably was me. I’m getting ready to do a 2012 GMC Denali just got it scraped and getting ready to paint was going to go with Summit racing chassis paint but would rather use por 15 if it works

[@bhrodenbaugh]

Amazing video... thank you so much. When will you be doing the cab?! Do you think there is any way to do this to your Silverado without removing the cab?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Within the next year or so hopefully. You could work around everything on the ground but it would be pretty hard to get everywhere well

[@biggun98056]

Thanks good info on this video my 2009 Silverado needs to have this done to it lot cheaper then buying a new truck

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Yeah, prices right now are crazy.

[@freidrichnietzsche6643]

Will be doing this on my ‘16 1500. I’m not sold on using the product POR 15, but wouldn’t it still make sense to use the degreaser and the metal prep regardless of the final product used?

[@alshotrodgarage4779]

Here in Michigan you find folks parting out trucks with frames broken in half by the dozen on marketplace

[@TheSundaeDrive]

:( that's terrible. A truck frame should outlast the rest of the vehicle.

[@roscoe6937]

How did this hold up?

[@Thirstythurson]

Hey thanks for this video, I just finished doing this on my truck and it was a huge help!! I was wondering if you're still planning on pulling the cab of this truck and showing that as well. I want to know how big of a project pulling the cab is and if I should just half ass the front half of the frame or not lol

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I'd like to. It's just a matter of finding the time. In the meantime I might fluid film it or something similar until I can remove it.

[@markmacdonald6452]

They used to make a decent product. I live in NS Canada and all the GM frames rust like crazy here. I had a GM, bought a F150 in 2015, frame still looks like new with 270,000Kms (167,770miles). GM stopped putting out quality. Best way to stop the rust is to stop buying them.

[@MikeSmith-nu9wt]

Its been 5 years how did it all hold up ? They got many different frame coating products today ?

[@MarcotGarage]

They have better products out there than POR 15. I use SEM Rust Trap on all the frames I've done and it's way more forgiving and does a crazy good job.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I'm researching into more products. I may redo the rear when I do the front. POR15 Seems like what a lot of guys like but has some drawbacks. From some more research epoxy is looking like a good candidate

[@mrmotofy]

A Needle scaler works well for those little rust spots

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Good suggestion! We are using that on Pete's frame

[@Ryan.Reeling]

How did you clean/prep the inside of the frame rails?

[@BrettsForest]

what a joke. glad theres a solution for this cheap coating

[@johnjesus971]

wow that looks great! I wish i had access to a garage to do this. I live in a community that doesn't allow car work in the driveways and i know my 2011 Sierra Frame needs this done. Living in Michigan, i'm sure it's terrible!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Sorry to hear that :( Hopefully you can find a shop that can do it for you!

[@mantistoboggen9842]

That's just unAmerican

[@lsimpson6223]

Many HOAs have some really screwed up rules. Not let a man work on his car...hogwash

[@SuperNoticer]

That's communist

[@maker1276]

I'm paying for repair of cross bars and rust removal and coating currently on a 2013 silverado. I was shocked the vars was about rusted into. But they do sell replacement kits. Guys charging me 450.00 to do it all

[@Dwarte007]

yea, i have a 2004 with the wax coating, i have oiled on top of the wax for many many years, with decent results but I will not buy another GM truck until they start e-painting the frames. Nice job, but a big job!! Buy an f150 with a v8, is my advice to those thinking about a newer truck.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I've heard a rumour gm is changing to ecoating soon. I may have to hold out for that on my next truck. Fingers crossed

[@chrised1115]

As an auto mechanic for a decade now I will say I am unable to lift more f150s safely vs GM trucks. I do see my fair share of rotted GM's but compared to ford, they take the cake for American truck frame rot. Dodge seems to be the best frames that ive seen, and I'm not a mopar guy saying that.

[@Truthloveliberty]

4 years ago. How’s this held up for you I’m debating if this is worth it. 2016 duramax factory wax. (Michigan)

[@TheSundaeDrive]

So far so good but I want to pull off the bed soon and do an inspection. Will update when we do

[@Ranchopistolas333.]

@@TheSundaeDrive how much would u charge to do same work in a 2018 Silverado single. An short bed ?

[@rileypearson5246]

How much did it cost total just for degreaser, metal prep, paint etc just only all the por 15 supplies in the video

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Prices have change a lot but probably around $100-$120 - parts are linked in the description so you can pull up the current pricing

[@xTheJmanChannel]

How has it held up over time? Any bubbling or rust coming through?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I'm planning to pull the bed off soon and do an update for you all. As much as I can see it is holding up well

[@504ihtractor7]

I use rustoleum paint and primer they work good

[@TheSundaeDrive]

That will work too 👍 as long as you keep moisture off of the frame most things will work 👍

[@SH00T_TH3PUMP]

I drew a smiley face into the frame wax of a silverado with my fingernail just to exploit it hahahahaha

[@travismeering1493]

I have to do this on my 2015 Silverado.... i had to do the same thing on my 2008 Silverado as well... really a disappointment gm doesn’t do a better job on their frame coatings

[@TheSundaeDrive]

It is frustrating, just to save money. I wish they would give a factory painted frame option. I would gladly pay extra to have the frame painted from the factory.

[@travismeering1493]

The Sundae Drive I’ve always been a Chevy guy and i would have thought they would have gotten better... i believe Toyota and dodge are doing e-coated frames now.... have any idea why this era trucks transmission are so clunky?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I hope chevy switches to ecoating with the 2019+ models. And no, I don't know :/

[@jackbrown2230]

@@TheSundaeDrive don't worry the 2019-2020 still have the wax..... Ugh.... I wish they would paint them

[@TheSundaeDrive]

😔😔

[@Richard4616]

We need a update on what’s looks like now.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

This summer I'll probably pop the bed off to check it out how it is doing. After doing some more research, I think I will probably be using an epoxy on the front half when I do that. Seems like it will bond better to rust free metal even with the metal prep applied.

[@jonathanyates5198]

If you want to use a cheaper coating advance auto has dupli color brand por 15 that is pretty good, also rustoleum truck bed coating is amazing, only costs $50 a gallon. Always remember to sand the frame before coating or it will just peel off

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Definetely need to prep the surface which is what the metal prep solution is for. It etches into the surface 👍

[@MoHa-zx6vp]

This is the best well work done 👍✅

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Thanks!!

[@cameronburns9819]

Shaking likely creates micro bubbles in the paint that won’t release and create voids and uneven coating. Just my thoughts

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Very good reason! Probably are right. A few others have said the same.

[@jdelly5988]

Crazy how I’m getting ads for a new GMC after getting mine and discovering this nice issue they are prone to due to bad quality. Always heard about how bad GM vehicles are, I’ve had 5 GMs now all decent vehicles but with this truck being my biggest purchase to date and potentially being my shortest time spent in a vehicle, I think I am giving up brand loyalty to GM.

[@beaulieuRule]

What have you done to the truck box? you must have done something to rust proof it?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I have been spraying it with fluid film

[@beaulieuRule]

@@TheSundaeDrive hey! :) can you resend or do a quick followup on the truck frame? Also how have you done the inside cleaning of the frame and sand it?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I put a video out a few months ago showing an update. It's the fluid film video. That one should show you :)

[@awesomefish100]

I’ve heard rubberized undercoating isn’t the best due to it drying out, cracking and holding moisture. Is this application different because you totally stripped the frame down and repainted?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

It still isn't ideal. You will want to add an additional protective coating yearly regardless of the product you use. Something like fluid film will keep a moisture barrier wherever any weaknesses develop in the POR

[@yzhang8629]

Using wax for rust proofing, I guess GM wants to make sure that truck owners will have to replace their trucks every few years, so that GM can sell more

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Cheap way to go for sure

[@dieselorchestra4342]

Could you use a sandblaster to take off the undercoating

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I would imagine so

[@jimmyjamautrey]

Had I know all this I never would have bought a GM

[@randrrcscorbin-tyler3998]

Think before you talk Chevrolet is still the number one vehicle producer in the world for one reason we don’t want to walk home

[@elvism684]

R and R Rc's corbin-tyler Who knows. They might go bankrupt again.

[@Elvato-yu2nk]

I mean Ford's and dodges rust too

[@alshotrodgarage4779]

Blasphemy

[@JN-vi6qm]

Any updates on how this held up??

[@TheSundaeDrive]

So far so good but we had an extremely mild winter this past year and I didn't drive it much while creating the AFM DOD delete series. I did take it all the way to main and back and drove down about 100 Miles if dirt roads without issue. I plan to pop the bed off in a bit and do an update :)

[@cathleenlaclair4822]

What about the frame under the cab so only save half of the truck frame.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

On my list to do

[@jonienglish3231]

in Toronto , Canada , use alot of ROAD SALT brought my Tahoe to KROWN RUST CONTROL - Spray on OIL BASED SPRAY done Yearly cost about $160 CAD my friend has a Older Mazda 3 - 2007 hatchback with 300,000 km Manual Super CLEAN No RUST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Krown Spray " done yearly

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Nice! I'm planning to do some type of spray on top of what I did in the video.

[@nolanmitchell7319]

Yea I have to admit Canada just lays down the salt it's almost they don't believe In snow plows in southern Ontario they'll just salt...

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Lol. I guess they just give up on the snow because you guys get so much?

[@dirtydavesgarage8251]

Great job! Question, how long did the whole process take?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Did it over a long weekend. I think about 3 days total. Would have been faster without filming but you have to let the coats dry between applying anyways

[@ashtonmakowsky9838]

@@TheSundaeDrive how many hours total would you estimate ? Thanks !

[@CalebStewartPhoto]

We’re you able to get to the front of the frame?

[@kevindavison6019]

its been 5 years how's it holding up im in the middle of this job myself is it worth It ?

[@michaelterner2692]

All the crossmembers are gonna rot first between the tank and the pipes that its hanging below. Why didn't you remove the most important part?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

100% agree. Fully regret not doing this. It's on my list to do soon. We will have a video coming out very soon welding a new cross member in Pete's 2004 because that exact thing happened

[@joewalter670]

Still in the middle of cleaning everything off of mine. Was there some spots you couldn’t get the wax off ? Will the por still adhere over it ?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I would get off as much as possible. You could always get a small media blaster to get in the corners

[@johnpeters9903]

it will not adhere to an improperly prepared surface

[@tonyfrank8528]

95% of ppl can't or won't do 1/3 of this stuff. I'm 🇨🇦 and our winters are 6 months long at least, I use a pile of Fluid Film and sure helps. None of the trucks last anymore unless you oil them yrly.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Fluid film is definitely a good idea 👍👍

[@roadglide1142]

I have my truck sprayed with Oil undercoating inside the frame & outside every fall before winter since it was new . Zero rust .

[@travisjesso9415]

Do the frame have wax coating on it?

[@travisjesso9415]

What kind of undercoating do you use

[@grantgauvreau2744]

Hey there. I have an 11’ with a little bit of surface rust on the frame and some suspension components. Is there any way to stop the corrosion without taking off the bed? I don’t really have the manpower or space to do it myself. Thanks!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Get off as much rust as you can, paint it, then spray everything with a protective coating like fluid film. Be careful which components you get it on tho. Fit example, fluid film can cause some rubber to swell so you'll want to avoid rubber if you use that

[@stevenkmckendallsr1169]

You said toward the beginning of the video that GM essentially dips their frames in a wax based coating, in order apply such to them, as an undercoating. So I'm wondering, how would one go about removing that wax coating from inside of the frame rails, as well - since I'm assuming that that same, wax based coating, would also, presumably and eventually, harden and chip away from the inside of the rails, too - thereby potentially diminishing the effectiveness of any internal application, of the Eastwood internal Frame Coating Kit product?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Correct, there is wax in the frame. My goals was to add as much protection inside the rails as I could. I plan to add oil on top of my coating in the future. You want to keep it as lubricated as possible to avoid rust build up.

[@stevenkmckendallsr1169]

@@TheSundaeDrive Good advise. Thank you for the info and responding. Any ideas how the wax c0ating could be stripped from inside frame?

[@stevenkmckendallsr1169]

@@TheSundaeDrive Very wise and good, and sage advise. Meanwhile - and as originally deferred to in my original inquiry - would you happen to know, however, of any practical means, whereby the wax could also be be somehow removed from inside of the the frame rails; as well, prior to internally coating? Sorry to be so repetitive, and please forgive my ignorance, but in order to learn, one has to ask. And so while awaiting your reply, thanks, in advance, for your patient consideration.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I am not sure of a good way to do it. I do know that fuel eats through the wax pretty rapidly. It would probably need to be submerged in something and left to soak to get rid of the wax.

[@stevenkmckendallsr1169]

@@TheSundaeDrive Thanks again, for this new follow-up, as well. I'm going to be hanging on to all of this info for future reference, as I've been seriously considering a complete chassis swap-out, for an older '86 GMC Jimmy SLE - for which I'd probably look to someone else to get it done correctly, and professionally - but I'll most likely be wanting to first procure a brand new, OEM stock item to get it done, and fully "prep" such in advance, before passing it on to whoever I hire, to finish the job . . . and this is all part of my early, preparational / research phase . . . so all of this info's very helpful ! :)

[@glenjones-dgs-9689]

Great video but what a shame that these GMC trucks cost between $45-75k and we have to do this to preserve our investments.

[@TheSundaeDrive]

agreed!

[@Valdemar-Perez-III]

Is there anything else you can use besides diesel fuel?

[@shadoh9975]

GM should replace all of there truck frames, maybe a class action lawsuit is in order. MY 2014 has a rot hole in the frame that is sad for a 6 year old truck!

[@jonathanyates5198]

I had to completely rebuild the back half of my 2008 Silverado including every frame support, plus a large area under the cab. My dad's 2009 has a giant hole under the cab with only 55,000 miles

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Sorry to hear that man. That stinks!

[@3wheeler016]

Trading my '14 Silverado in for an '18 F150 tomorrow because of this. At 98k miles the top of my fuel pump rotted away and is leaking. This is a problem that was present on the last gen too, this is the 3rd rotted pump I've done. The other 2 1500s had 86k miles and 94k. Once I saw how incredibly rotted my frame already is as well I've decided I'm done with GM until they step up corrosion protection. Shame cause I really like everything else about the truck, but I firmly feel the frame won't pass inspection here after 3 more years or so.

[@WaveAction777]

A lot of patience needed to do this that I don't have. I would have just scraped off the peeing parts and then oil sprayed the whole frame as well as under the bed. Then just oil spray it every other year.

[@chrised1115]

Did you do the cab section of the frame as well or just the bed?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I will be doing the can section at some point. Haven't yet.

[@ItalianSA]

Did you consider hiring a dustless blasting company (or renting a machine) to blast the frame instead of removing the wax by hand? How did you remove the wax from the center "tube" part of the frame? Did you apply any coating to the bed or recommend anything? I have a 2017 that's showing very early signs of rust on the spot welds on the underside of the bed. Thanks for the videos, keep up the good work! Looking forward to the cab removal video!

[@zell863]

Just spray original wax yearly. Why would you go out of yours way with that.

[@Cheaps928]

What about the last quarter of the frame?

[@TheSundaeDrive]

It's on my list. I plan to lift the cab. and do it proper. There will be a video when that time comes for sure

[@jamesguralski5156]

Get a needle scaler from harbor freight for rust stuff!

[@TheSundaeDrive]

I'll check that out!

[@moparcharger8642]

Can you still drive if the car is rusted but the frame is good?

[@raydiaz8666]

I like your channel but I wish you would put more Chevy Silverado 2004 videos of the Chevy Silverado

[@TheSundaeDrive]

Not to worry. We have many more coming!