Nurse crushed by accident with MRI machine

A "freak accident" left a nurse crushed by an MRI machine at the Kaiser Permanente hospital in Redwood City. KTVU 2 Investigates.
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[@chrisgraves9304]

I was an MRI tech for several years. We are trained about the dangers, how to screen etc, in addition to the actual testing. We use non- ferromagnetic stretchers to transport any patient into the MRI suite. Clearly, this was a hospital bed that the patient was transported on. I cannot tell you the number of times I had to physically stop nurses, doctors, etc from not heeding my warnings and directions to not enter the room as they had magnetic suseptible equipment on or were trying to carry into the room. Oxygen tanks etc. Extremely dangerous. I was often told that they were doctors, nurses and they knew what the were doing and was talked down to by them as they felt they were more qualified or whatever. They're not in regards to radiology/MRI. I told them you are in my house here in the MRI suite and I am responsible for the patients safety and yours and if you cant follow my directions I don't care who you are and to exit the suite. 21 years in the field.

[@sharazar]

If a doctor does not know about MRI safety then they are not a good doctor. Great job holding your one because you know they would try to throw you under the bus if something went wrong.

[@anthonyr9699]

@@sharazareh, dosent really define their practice as a doctor. MRI techs and Radiologists study these machines everyday and know this information in and out. While doctors and nurses never really touch the MRI room unless its a critical patient. I dont think it makes anyone “bad” just not enough experience.

[@WorthlessDeadEnd]

Good for you and your patients. I am astounded by the arrogance and ignorance of people who go into the medical field just for the money, the prestige and the power, but apparently don't care about their patients. Plus, the pressure they're under to make money.

[@undeuxtrois123]

I wish you were trained about the dangers of the MRI contrast agent (it contains heavy metal gadolinium) which the medical system lies about, I was severely poisoned like many other patients, including wife of actor Gena Norris. See Dr. Richard Semelka's studies

[@chrisgraves9304]

We are. And you are correct. The contrast used for studies must be precise also related to the patients bloodwork and GFR kidney function, all of which should be taken into account before administration. I have canceled or refused administration of contrast based on labwork etc in conjunction in with discussion with the radiologist. @@undeuxtrois123

[@Absaalookemensch]

As a trauma/ICU nurse, I've transported hundreds of patients to/from MRIs. I've never heard of this happening. But we are losing experienced medical staff at record numbers for the next decade or so.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

We are losing them along with the people who train them. The local college has a nursing school but they can only accept a few applicants because they can't find instructors.

[@Absaalookemensch]

@@tiredoldmechanic1791 I retired a few years early because of a horrible workplace condition. 100,000 nurses are leaving the profession yearly with fewer than that coming in the profession. Most significantly, you lose decades of experience each.

[@kellykwongali]

The tech when I got my MRI was incredibly competent and I also cannot imagine a mistake like this happening. What the hell..

[@TragicallyDelicious]

All the teachers are leaving too in general not just medical

[@alissagonzales735]

We are not just losing good experienced nurses, but also some good doctors.

[@rurutherussian]

There are so many measures taken to prevent this from happening, we literally have entire classes dedicated _purely_ to just MRI safety. This was easily avoidable.

[@Habu71]

Completely. And if someone weren't hurt it would be almost humorous to hear the language discussing accidents, dangerous machines, alarms not sounding, etc. LOL. It was a screw-up from people who knew better or a hospital that put untrained people in harm's way.

[@tessamarsh9796]

Yep. Lesson 1 - the magnet is always on.

[@cryora]

As soon as they're done with classes they're completely forgotten cause they become more interested in socializing and spending their dirty money.

[@Coecoo]

It's not so easy with the toxic & underpaid & understaffed work environment at hospitals.

[@TheFluBugZ]

​@tessamarsh9796 That's how we treat them at the plant. We have entire bays marked off, if you don't have proper clearance, you don't go through.

[@emobassist]

Seeing a whole hosptial bed mangled in a MRI machine is horrifying

[@MossyMozart]

It was the stretcher the patient arrived on, not a hospital bed. It was quite mangled though.

[@Mdautkreix]

@@MossyMozartthe “well actually” is strong in you my son

[@grazz7865]

God only knows what damage these machines are doing to our bodies.

[@phantom_mserafi]

@@grazz7865Sad you think god is a relevant concept nowadays smh use your mind

[@Arnold_Layne]

Grazz7865 - I would say little to NONE seeing how we're not made of METAL!

[@tereseduffy6591]

This is not a freak accident. This is gross negligence! MRI use precautions and safety requirements have been well established and they failed to follow them. Everything that they did is directly related to them choosing not to follow the requirements.

[@Brandon-rc9vp]

Agree 100% with this statement, 100% avoidable but cost cutting leads us to this. 20+ years in the industry.

[@eleanapshock9016]

Bingo, because Kaiser they don’t have very professional nurses they are to young and stupid!

[@santarosa6676]

Employees got lazy!

[@annep.1905]

@@Brandon-rc9vp cost cutting? How on earth is medicine so expensive? The cost is ridiculously high!

[@Deb_BG]

@@annep.1905 They cut staff and training which causes these incidences. It's GREED.

[@carolmaresca450]

I've had many MRI tests. Thank God the people involved in my tests were professionals

[@CrackheadHuntersDopeDealer]

Same.

[@wannabecarguy]

You have to be experienced to judge experienced. I know nothing about MRI so I wouldn't know if the people running the equipment were experienced. Same goes for the comment section expert.

[@Danspy501st]

I also had one, lucky before hearing about this, and from professionals as well

[@13jorino]

My daughter is training to be a lab tech. She was with me once when i had an outpatient surgery. To me, everything was fine when the nurse took my blood. To my daughter, it was a series of no nos. Just because you didn't have an incident doesn't necessarily mean the mri people were professional.

[@CybertroninfiniteOfficial]

every so often, we have gross negliance that result in these incidents.

[@TrentEngineFan]

I cannot begin to imagine how painful that must’ve been. I hope that nurse fully recovers.

[@BBB-to4cc]

I can’t believe she lived!!! Thank goodness. So scary

[@crispysocksss]

She later died from infections

[@BBB-to4cc]

@@crispysocksss I don’t see that anywhere, where did you see that?

[@okayq702]

@@crispysocksss🤣💀💀

[@jamessteele7010]

I was once crushed by thousands of pounds of medical equipment. It was a very heavy phase of my life.

[@McJiver]

Imagine... getting crushed by an MRI scanner only to have to be put right back into one for your own injuries.

[@mEE1434eva]

Sense of humor still there thanks to you.

[@afridgetoofar1818]

The MRI machine says “Well, look who came crawling back.”

[@wascawywabbit0987]

MRI sucks.

[@renegade-master29]

It's a catch 22 vicious cycle of life

[@hiamawad9237]

OMG, I laughed and laughed and laughed as I read the comments on your post. You all deserve a star 🤩⭐🌟🌠✴

[@verucasalt2391]

I am an MRI technologist. Obviously, there were so many things that were neglected that allowed this to happen. The hospital bed was brought into the room, maybe by the nurse. The hospital staff is briefly trained in the safety of being in the MRI department. Those that rarely are in the MRI department may not remember, I’m NOT placing blame on the nurse. If the hospital bed is outside the room with the door open, the bed would be far enough away that it wouldn’t be pulled into the room, unless the MRI suite is crazy small, not the case here. That being said, at NO time should anything ferrous be brought near an open MRI room door. IF staff are properly trained, the routine is to ALWAYS have to MRI room door closed. It’s the MRI tech’s job and their big responsibility to make sure nothing is brought into the room without being checked. The patient needs to be screened and put on a nonferrous stretcher before being brought into the room. Before an appointment can be made, initial screening takes place. I’m grateful that I work at a hospital that uses overkill to be sure we’re always as safe as we can possibly be. The only things that have gone into one of our magnets are something the patient brought in. Ultimately, it’s the MRI tech’s job to make sure nothing like this ever happens. If you walk away from the MRI room, that door needs to be shut with a sign stating no one can enter without a MRI tech.

[@anngcampbellbower4385]

Exactly. That sliding part of the bed for the patient to lie as it goes into the MRI machine has to be non-magnetic material. That guerney the patient was on should had been outside of the scanning room.

[@francus7227]

B.S. I've taken hundreds of patients for their MRI. We ALWAYS wheel the bed next to the machine and slide the patients from the bed to the machine....

[@originalkingalpha5116]

"Fatal Attraction."🧲😆

[@charlesg7926]

Back before college affirmative action, doctors didn’t need years of “safety training” to know not to have metal in the same room as an MRI. I’m a home plumber (white guy), even I know that

[@charlesg7926]

@@francus7227 Lemme guess, you’re African American? Lol. There’s scientific reasons that you don’t have a metal bed in an MRI room. Reasons beyond your comprehension

[@Chad-Giga.]

My doctor used to work at Kaiser for a short time and he said they have a rule for all physicians that they can only spend 15 minutes with each patient max! And if they spend more time with each patient they will fall way behind and get in trouble. They have to see 32 patients per day, everyday. My doctor would spend as much time with each patient as they required, and he would routinely stay at work until 9 pm when the hospital closed. Management came to him and said he can't do this anymore, he walked and never came back! Love that man!

[@SR71GIRL]

I believe MANY corporate medical facilities require the same. The GREAT doctors get out as soon a they can.

[@melindahernandez8778]

That's pretty much THE NORMA now. Corporations are buying up the healthcare system!

[@asamanyworlds3772]

Business

[@Chad-Giga.]

@@SR71GIRL if all doctors simply followed the hippocraric oath, and refused to work in such conditions, these corporations would have to change the rules

[@Chad-Giga.]

@@asamanyworlds3772 healthcare and business should never be used in the same sentence

[@Sandi-ke9mi]

Not the first time Kaiser has had this happen. I used to work for a veterinarian who’s wife was killed by Kaiser when a radiation table fell on her. And if you sue them you only get $250,000 because they have a cap on what they pay out, that hasn’t changed since the 70s. He lost his wife and he has seven kids. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@janetd4862]

I worked at our local hospital for almost 40 years. Every year, we had basic training and safety teaching. I worked in the lab and pathology, and had nothing to do with MRIs, but still had to sign off on basic safety issues like the four zones, and no metal objects. This is stuff every employee knew, from nursing to secretaries, to housekeepers to food service workers.

[@interrupted9671]

I left nursing years ago…the medical system is BROKEN!

[@niania7022]

You bet it is! I can't tell you the amount of problems I had going through cancer, radiation, chemo and the after effects of the treatment involved. Now, I don't want to step foot in one unless it's a life or death situation and even then I don't trust them. They've been given too much authority over patients.

[@mjblue84]

So did I!!!!! I do not regret it!!!!! The medical system is BROKEN!!!!!!!

[@interrupted9671]

@@mjblue84 Good for you! People thought I lost my mind, actually it was the healthiest thing I could do for myself.

[@dmo848]

Every system in this whole country is broken😢 it's sad

[@itslogical3884]

@@dmo848 And this will ultimately lead to the extinction of the human species, and sub-human animals and insects will re-inherit the earth.

[@sonofzorro1]

Having worked at Kaiser as a radiologic tech, I can say that Kaiser routinely understaffs, puts pressure upon the staff to work at an unsafe speed, and puts 100 percent of the blame on them for any safety incident. The training that used to be a part of normal medical practice is eschewed in favor of making money, and anyone who complains faces harassment and threats of termination.

[@eneveasi]

Kaiser is the worst.

[@dadd3longlegs]

Definitely

[@trailerparkpirate7348]

once an org for the ppl, now an org for profit is their mission statement

[@literally8647]

I believe it. That's how most businesses operate these days.

[@kin357]

Criminals

[@Jennifer-2329]

This was not a freak accident. It was negligence of the part of Kaiser. They will be paying out a hell of a lot more when the injured nurse and patient get through suing them. Unbelievable!!

[@jkahl1985]

The nurse was at fault, didn't follow protocol. Anyone in the medical field knows, no metal any where near the MRI machine.

[@montanagal6958]

I've been a nurse a long time and don't know much about radiology, sometimes we don't get breaks and work like dogs and it's not good for anyone.@@jkahl1985

[@spookshow6999]

It's corrupt. Even lawyers won't represent you anymore against hospitals. I know I've tried.

[@PilotInCommand777]

NO lawsuit for the nurse. In the U.S. an employee cannot sue their employer. Only remedy for employee is workers compensation whether it was her fault or not

[@shelbydupree6157]

How is the nurse going to sue them, when she was the one who didn’t follow safety guidelines?

[@WolfCAlpha]

$18,000 fine is nothing to that company.

[@buddy1155]

The damage on the MRI is probably higher.

[@WolfCAlpha]

@@buddy1155 ok? But the lawsuit isn’t… so what’s your point? MRI is not a lot compared to the multimillion dollar lawsuit.

[@buddy1155]

@@WolfCAlpha A 500K machine is a lot compared to the 18K fine they got.

[@WolfCAlpha]

@@buddy1155 and a million dollar plus lawsuit is more.

[@JRN007]

That’s insane. Poor nurse. I hope she recovers. I hope the patient is ok.

[@Cocoboi7]

Ofcourse she’s in the hospital itself.

[@J4sse]

@@Cocoboi7 Lol, totally forgot

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

That bed would have been pulled in with the weight of a semi. There's a video on YT showing a decommissioned 4 Tesla MRI pulling in an office chair with a force of 2,000 pounds.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

The ironic part is she needed an MRI scan to show the extent of her injuries...

[@kirkjohnson6638]

​@@paulmichaelfreedman8334And the MRI machine was now out of commission!

[@ericaminnis4676]

I'm a nurse and we are aware of the danger of MRI machines...but it's just so scary that this actually happened.

[@dharobed3329]

Gee's I get an annual MRI, not gonna lie, very nervous and scared now!

[@pkmagic]

I worked as Rad RN for 10 yrs. We were always overly cautious. But, when a floor nurse accompanies a patient, it is not their responsibility to know all of the magnet safety rules. Whomever was responsible for the magnet is also responsible for the safety of everyone. A powered up magnet with an open door...unbelievable!

[@MrJackal43]

No you all are not obviously!😂

[@beautynbrains3550]

I'm a nurse as well. I don't play with MRI machines at all! My patient is dropped off and I stand far enough away but close incase anything happen.

[@Baroqlvr]

Respectfully, no…not all RN (Dr , RT, etc) know or respect the rules and MR employees that are associated with the MRI environment. I absolutely love ❤️ when I get other clinical employees who come down to MRI and immediately empty their pockets of all ferromagnetic items and also understand that the MR Technologists are the ones in charge of safety. I’ve personally had RN and RT who refuse , after numerous requests , to empty their pockets and do as they’re asked. One such time involving an RT whom I asked to empty pockets 3x (after she walked through the FMD doors) and she said she did. We get into the 3T scanner and a pair of scissors flew out of her pocket into the bore…banged all around in there …and broke into several pieces. Fortunately no one was injured….except her ego. Also as a student, there was the Anesthesiologist who was also asked to empty his pockets twice after getting in the magnet room. The third time asked after he was caught jingling coins in his pocket. Complete lack of respect. ALL clinical employees with even a small chance of brining a patient to MRI need annual , if not biannual, MRI safety training and held accountable for the attitude that SOME (not all) bring to radiology when asked to empty their pockets. This isn’t about ego, it’s about patient and employee safety.

[@STV-H4H]

Last time I had an MRI I flippantly mentioned I had once had a possible metal sliver in my eye from about 15 years earlier. It was actually not metal, instead it was a cornea scratch, but my mere mention was nearly enough to cancel the procedure. Once I confirmed the true condition they let me continue. Now I’m really thinking differently about why they were so set to cancel it. They even told me body piercings might be a problem. After watching this I believe that pierced nipples etc could result in rapid flesh tearing occurrences actually being a thing!

[@ariadne0w1]

There was an absolutely horrific Reddit medical story from a while back about a patient who didn’t remember he had been shot in the head with a BB gun as a child. The mri dragged it through his brain. That was just the start of the whole situation but he didn’t make it. Thank goodness for their caution.

[@STV-H4H]

@@ariadne0w1 I thought BBs were made of copper, which made me think your comment was wrong. But it seems the ones from my youth were copper coated steel. Which as I’m thinking about it, I think I recall using a magnet to assist with loading because dropping them meant having to gather them up. A BB embedded in the skull seems unlikely, but being still under the skin on some fleshy area is viable. While maybe not a deadly instantaneously horrific event, a sudden violent reverse bullet wound could be traumatic to say the least! If it was in the bone! Holy hell that’s a very different story

[@ariadne0w1]

@@STV-H4H It's a reddit story so I can't vouch for the veracity, but it wasn't instant.I think it was in the skull to begin with, or even the brain just barely because of the exact right/wrong angle. Nasty story. Can't remember the details but I think with the brain damage and everything he was unexpectedly irascible and ran off on the medical team. They found him hours later in a supply closet where he had somehow managed to do himself a grievous injury and between the brain damage and the blood loss, died before they could even try to treat him.

[@spvillano]

@@STV-H4H copper coated steel ball bearing, which is what the BB stands for, ball bearing. Think of an MRI as an angry god that's super grabby on anything that likes magnets. Simplest way of thinking of it. Where a screwdriver can trivially kill you from across the room. None of that Hollywood guiding it or wrestling with it, it's going, period, end of story.

[@CostlyFiddle]

$18,000 in fines is cheaper than doing all that crap to be safe...it's simple business math.

[@Cynthia99911]

Even as a student nurse decades ago, I was properly taught about patient safety when bringing a patient down to them. We had a checklist.

[@itstheory2756]

free Israel from extremist jews . Secular Israel is future of Israel

[@nancyoffenhiser4916]

You might be interested in the book. The Checklist Manifesto.. it's a wonderful book written by a doctor Atul Gawande. Checklists are important not only at nuclear power plants and airplanes but also hospitals.

[@gusgrizzel8397]

@@nancyoffenhiser4916 Magnetic resonance is not radiation. It is the magnetism that is attracts ferrous metals.

[@Bapuji42]

​@@gusgrizzel8397MRIs aren't airplanes either.

[@ericaschaidt8588]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@gusgrizzel8397@nancyoffenhiser4916 never claimed that MRIs had anything to do with radiation. They were talking about a book that stresses the importance in checklists in regards to safety. Nuclear power plants and airlines/aircraft are two fields/businesses where it’s rather well known that checklists are strictly adhered to. The book/OP simply was saying that as important as checklists are in those fields, they’re equally as important in hospitals, a place some people may not think about needing a checklist.

[@johnsonofjohn1678]

An MRI suite has four safety zones: Zone 1 is the waiting room and hallways outside the MRI suite. Zone 2 is for patients and family who haven't yet been screened for MRI safety. Zone 3 is all the areas adjacent to the scanner room. All or parts of this area may be within the magnet's field. Only screened patients, MRI techs and staff trained in MRI safety are allowed in this zone. Zone 4 is the scanner room itself, which is fully within the magnet's field. An MRI magnet is always on! No one except MRI techs should enter this zone unless cleared by the tech. There should be locked doors between Zones 2 and 3. And a lock on the door to the scanner room. No equipment - not even a crash cart -- is ever taken from Zone 2 into Zone 3, much less Zone 4. The fact that a nurse was able to roll a hospital bed all the way through to Zone 4 without encountering locked doors or MRI staff indicates a severe lapse in safety standards.

[@stevenbeall9637]

Yet the nurse who had no business bypassing those check points with an improper bed is trying to sue for her failure and incompetence. This is why insurance related to MRI procedures will continue rise, health insurance premiums will continue to rise, and people who need MRI's will not be allowed to get them. It's like the woman who ignored warnings and walked in front of a train, but her family sued the railroad. When is stupid and the actions resulting from it going to stop being defendable by litigation? MRI machines don't injure people, stupid people do.

[@urnparadise2903]

I’m a night shift nurse & no one ever told me NOT to go into the MRI room. I had no idea it is ALWAYS ON!!!!!!! I transferred people on patient’s bed or stretcher into that damn room many times. I also assist with transferring pt to the MRI board. The damn the checklist is for the patient not , never the nurse. How can the medical field be so smart & so dumb at the same damn time!

[@thushar2306]

​@@urnparadise2903glad you havent encountered any incident.

[@eyesonmarymahaney1731]

Don’t a lot of nurses and MRI tech badge in for those doors to unlock. That’s the only way you’re getting through the hospital is with your badge but for that to happen nobody was paying attention and she should’ve realized that she was going into a zone where magnets are constantly on and that’s why they say don’t wear any kind of metalbecause if you have any kind of metal, it’s gonna get snatched off you I’ve had MRIs done on me before and he hearing this is just horrifying now

[@jessicaolson490]

I mean as somebody who's actually worked in a hospital before, they don't train you squat on the MRI zone. When I had a patient due for an MRI I was given a checklist to go over with them, and at my hospital at least one of the MRI people comes and gets the patient. So bypasses somebody like me not realizing where the zones are or what can and can't go into which zone... Also they specifically said on this video that the zone four-door was open, she was apparently walking through zone 3, and the bed pushed her into zone 4, through the open door that should have been shut and into the magnet... Which is terrifying. Which brings me back to the fact it's not her negligence if she had never been told. It would be her negligence if she had training on it. So the question is how much did the hospital actually train its staff. (And I will say if they have 8 hours of PowerPoints and it was two or three slides somewhere in there that is not enough training for you to remember it past a week or two). 🤷

[@hobbeezy]

I toured a hospital as an elementary school student in Asia, the Dr responsible for giving us the tour showed us the sheer strength of the MRI machine from the door (not even multiple corridors) by holding up keys, tightly, in his hands as we watched the keys sway towards the MRI machine. I'm quickly on my way to 50 years old. Unacceptable.

[@dolcevita713]

I was once told I was ok not removing jewelry since it was only my knee getting the MRI…now I know this was BS. As a patient you are on your own nowadays…look out for yourself and don’t let them rush you!

[@GoatzombieBubba]

Gold/Silver are not magnetic... but the clasps who knows if it is magnetic or not.

[@K000H]

Depends what the jewellery is made of. Aka, don't take any chances. Just take it off. Had my first MRI last week. Never been in one so the natural thing to do is to google it and people's experiences with it. Didn't take me long to find out about how dangerous it could be because of the magnetic force. So i made sure to find out if my permanent braces would be an issue beforehand, and made sure to only wear clothing of just cloth. No buckles, zippers, buttons, nothing. It baffles me how many just don't do research even tho they have a smart device glued to their hand all day.

[@jordenthegreat]

Unfortunately protocol varies between institutions but generally wedding rings/simple earrings, facial studs are "safe" to wear if the lower body is being scanned. Especially if it is titanium, surgical steel, gold, or silver. The greatest danger of wearing jewelry in an MRI scanner is not torque nor it flying into the machine but rather it causing burns from the radiofrequency. It is not likely to happen if the jewelry is not near the center of the scanner but it is best practice to remove all metal items on the body.

[@mathildewesendonck7225]

It’s not BS, depending on the kind of jewelry. Small earrings for example are usually okay. I work on ICU and often have to go into the MRI room with patients

[@kendrashaw164]

My hospital always treats my MRI transport like I'm being transported to a top secret clearance level of the hospital..... I appreciate every step, detail & question, because this could really hurt someone badly.

[@JustMe-dn9fh]

I hope this nurse recovers and is restored to good health.

[@hazztv6317]

🙏🙏

[@itstheory2756]

free Israel from extremist jews . Secular Israel is future of Israel

[@denisesalles7248]

How is the nurse doing?

[@robinbrown7953]

The patient is probably traumatized. Staff should have had proper training, and patients should be able to trust that they do. I know many time staff are floated to areas that they don’t normally work in, because of staff shortages and such, but a patients safety should; and the staff, should never be put at risk like this….and if you are a patient who questioned anything , most of the tome you are blown off or they take your concerns personally

[@shawnperry75]

@@robinbrown7953no common sense is out the window most humans can’t figure out what sex they are anymore and think they need multiple pronouns to express who they are 🤣 more stupidity like this will become more common

[@PatriotMilitaryMom]

Oh my goodness. Rest peacefully. Thank you for all the lives you saved.

[@darkwolfe6986]

That's not an accident, that's negligence

[@QbutNotTheQ]

That’s not a freak accident. Everyone involved should and probably did get extensive training that what happens when you drive a bed into the MRI room is that the bed flies into the scanner.

[@KarenPatrol123]

Noun. freak accident (plural freak accidents) An incident, especially one that is harmful, occurring under highly unusual and unlikely circumstances.

[@dakmycat3688]

Yup. Don’t stand in between the bed and the machine. As a forklift operator and machine operator there’s risks we take. There’s on the job training. Plus common sense. People get used to their job environment that they cut corners.

[@johnwattdotca]

If it's not a freak accident what is it? I'm happy to see you understand magnetism. If you're serious about electricity and magnetism you'd be fighting that pollution.

[@Chad-Giga.]

@@johnwattdotcait was a management caused event due to improper hiring and training standards

[@roadkillgravy5168]

​@@Chad-Giga.this John and Karen bs accounts above do nothing but post nonsense.

[@merkinidgit]

At the last hospital where I worked as an RN, nobody but NOBODY went back to MRI who hadn’t completed magnetic safety training. And even then, you do not proceed through the zones without MRI rad techs supervising and guiding the process. Hospital transport personnel, nursing staff, cleaning staff-anybody with any business being back there had to be certified as being knowledgeable about risk reduction.

[@Monika-mb6jh]

Right! When I would rarely take a patient down for MRI (like if they had a brace an RN had to remove), I remember there being MULTIPLE steps. You slide them into one of their gurneys. Then you enter a different area and take all your items out of your pockets. Then you answer a screening form for yourself as an employee. Then you only go into the MRI suite with the radiology techs with you. How this happened is beyond me.

[@boltinabottle6307]

Was looking for this comment. Why was the nurse doing the job of three separate departments? (nursing, transport, and radiology)

[@ericaschaidt8588]

@@Monika-mb6jhit sounds like lack of safety training as well as a failure to test the door’s alarm annually was a significant contributing factor in this incident.

[@colleenroyle588]

Exactly..you mean to tell me , as an RN she had no idea how dangerous an MRI machine can be? it was never ever discussed in nursing school?.90% of the general public knows there are precautions needed around this type of equipment. Every hospital has a training/checklist something about this doesn't sound right. besides the fact there are signs literally everywhere in the/around the MRI suite

[@_Just_Another_Guy]

​@@Monika-mb6jh What about patients who have teeth braces and have to get an MRI? Do they have to remove the teeth braces first or is it safe for them to go in the machine with them on?

[@E-Kat]

I'm so terribly sorry for the suffering endured by the nurse ! ♥️♥️♥️

[@brandon9715]

I used to be employed as an MRI Tech. One of the hospitals I worked at had horrible safety procedures. Completely against guidelines. There were times they would scan MR Unsafe implants without supervision from a physicist or MRSO. I told the supervisor about all this and was told to stay quiet. I then quit the job and notified both the state of Michigan as well as the joint commission. Absolutely nothing happened and they are still scanning today.

[@SuperCaliforniaBarbi]

Ive had several MRI's and will no longer be bored at the routine questions and procedures. I owe the staff a bouquet 💐

[@JC-tp5lz]

I feel the same way. I've had two brain MRI'S in the last three months and got a little annoyed with filling out the repetitive forms, 99% of which asked about metal objects on, or IN your body. I will not longer get frustrated about those forms!

[@XMysticHerox]

@@JC-tp5lz There is good reason for those. Even relatively small metal splinters from working in a factory or the like can gouge out your eye. Or even outright kill someone.

[@bubbercakes528]

I would almost guarantee that the nurses were not trained properly and were under pressure to get too much done in not enough time. The insurance companies now run the hospitals with devastating results. 😟

[@xisotopex]

100%. it seems the insurance companies are the bosses now, and can even second guess doctors.... in fact they can dictate how a doctor practices medicine...

[@thatjeff7550]

Why would the insurance company be behind this? They want LESS people in the hospital, not more. This is 100% the hospital's fault to "rack 'em, pack 'em, & stack 'em" to get as many patients seen as possible.

[@Bapuji42]

And also didn't know what magnets are.

[@ryanstatt9910]

And scumbag lawyers run insurance companies

[@myview5840]

Agency staffing

[@hollybug-76542]

Absolutely NO metal can be used or taken into a MRI room. MRI's are one of the strongest magnets. This seems more like negligence. The Hospital should have numerous safeguards. How the hell did they get a whole bed into that room without someone saying whoa?

[@idyllicmoon3651]

Kaiser Permanente is the Dollar Tree of healthcare.

[@silverlily4681]

Now you are talking 👍

[@lazynow1]

if you are lucky...more like 3rd world voodoo medical care......

[@lindatohara6438]

Please tell my husband this

[@therealestj]

But I hear in terms of working there, it's great for the employees no? A lot of benefits to the point some may say the employees are spoiled. But they still go on strike so what do I know...

[@sandyhossman7771]

There are some very good doctors at Kaiser.

[@BlueJeansandJellyBeans]

I am a nurse and was taught that anything metal will be pulled by the MRI machine. That is why they ask do you have any metal in your body because it can pull it right out of you if you do not take the precautions. They are extremely dangerous. I feel horrible for that nurse.😢😢

[@dccd673]

I heard even tooth fillings can be pulled off, is that true? Like the old ones

[@rhondah1587]

@@dccd673 No. I had an MRI for a shoulder problem before I had all the metal fillings in my teeth replaced. No problem.

[@ernestogalvan143]

You’re speaking pure nonsense

[@NikB331]

I have metal rods and a plate in my jaw..ive had mri's! It wasn't pulled through my skin😂

[@MrErichonda30]

Only ferrous metals

[@No1lkme]

I was supposed to have my shoulder checked out in the MRI Machine but a small voice kept telling me not to have it done, besides I'm claustrophobic! And I will NEVER! Put myself in the position of being closed in deliberately or otherwise. Wow! I'm happy that I followed my first mind. 😱

[@johnnywalker4857]

Now I really understand why the questionnaire you fill out beforehand asks if you have certain types of metal implants in your body.

[@frankmckinley1254]

I worked as a Biomedical electronics technician for 38 years, sadly 99% of the time care giver error leads to tragedy like this. I was also a hospital safety officer and had to fight the careless mindset of staff and administration in several instances.

[@au303]

It is getting worse. I have been working the last 12 years as a quality and performance analyst in our region and there is gross-negligence happening everyday in almost every hospital in North America. The business grads that run the hospitals cannot and do not like to communicate with the medical staff and most doctors these days are lazy divas that believe they are above doing the boring parts of their jobs like filling our paperwork.

[@missalphaomegagod-2u]

@@au303 I agree and they also don’t give nurses the support they deserve. Nurses are straight up bosses! 🙌🏾❤️

[@kristenmarie9248]

​@@missalphaomegagod-2u Agree, and STNA's/CNA's. 💯

[@missalphaomegagod-2u]

@@kristenmarie9248 yes indeed absolutely! 💯❤️

[@SADE_408]

Why are they barely reporting on this now? Tell us right away! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Chad-Giga.]

Coverup, same with the Covid vaccines

[@americangirlx4]

This happened 8 months ago, and it just made the news??!! 🤔 KP needed plenty of time to do damage control, have their attorneys set up a defense denying liability and targeting a "scapegoat" to take the fall! There's going to be a huge lawsuit and payout, and KP will go to any lengths to avoid responsibility.

[@imnitguy]

MSM

[@ynotlove4269]

This has been around since it happened. I don't know if you live under a rock.

[@KittenBowl1]

They get hush money behind the scene; NDA, “we will give you money this much, but you can’t ever disclose or report anything of what happened to anyone and wave rights to sue”. Yes they get money. This happened to their employee on the other hand so the nurse probably had to fight to get her wage covered and her lawyer reported to the authorities. That’s why it’s in the public media. But I bet this had happened hundreds of times in the past decade. This hospital needs to be investigated period. It must be grossly negligent for this to come out to the public.

[@jonoclarke0808]

So I love how during the piece talking about MRI they are showing a CT scanner @ 1:15

[@schwisow9688]

As a senior MRI tech, I can tell you how many times we get eye rolls when we do a thorough check list to make sure NOTHING ferro magnetic is brought into zone 4. (The scan room). It’s to prevent things like this. Not just a pt bed but a wheelchair, a pair of scissors in an RNs pocket, an ID badge with a metal clasp. These are things that can be pulled into the magnet and cause pt or staff injury. There were a lot of neglectful things I saw in that report. If I was an attorney, I would have a field day. It shows just how serious our safety checks are to avoid these events

[@MossyMozart]

@schwisow9688 - Also, no masks with the metal strip in the bridge of the nose!

[@engmed4400]

MRI suites are designed and laid out to avoid these kinds of occurrences. That means this wasn't an accident. It was oversight at best, gross negligence at worst.

[@Kate09090]

Exactly. I’ve had at least a dozen MRIs. A LOT has to go wrong for this to happen.

[@engmed4400]

@@Kate09090 agreed. Not only do people need to be fired, but licenses need to be yanked, and people need to be going to jail. The hospital I work at makes us take MRI safety training every single year, without fail. They have no excuses.

[@floflo8153]

​@@engmed4400 Sometimes, it's the culture overall. Those who oversee just want things to get done & don't care who doesn't know what until something like this happens.

[@engmed4400]

@@floflo8153 given some of the places I've worked, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

[@Levittchen4G]

​@@floflo8153Maybe those people should not be in charge. Maybe no one who rushes people to skip crucial steps in safety should be in charge. Maybe we also shouldn't ever let insurance companies tell us what proper protocol or procedure has to look like. This is so disgusting. I hate capitalism with more passion than I can put into words.

[@williemaejones9944]

PRAYING GOD HEALING FOR THE NURSE

[@GUARDIANA01]

As a 13 year old in Australia when MRI's were reasonably new tech i ended up having a rare condition that gave me incredible seizures/stroke that required me to have scans. The needles were not immune to the magnetic field back then. A nurse managed to leave a cannula in my left arm....when the MRI was turned on i felt incredible pain but was strapped in and unfortunately did not have the ability to speak. My beige jumper i was wearing at the time started to stain blood and the needle had torn straight from my arm. There were some apolgies and genuine "im so sorry" from the operator as she had no idea it was there and nothing triggered any alarms. Never forget it.... not only that immediate pain but it was my fav jumper at the time and i couldnt even speak to tell anyone how devastated i was lol.

[@kh-se4zt]

I just went for an MRI here in Ontario. I don't like confined spaces. I let the lady that was doing the MRI know that. So i get in and I'm overweight, so my arms are crushed at my side, my body felt squashed. I could barely breath, so i kept taking deep breaths, as i knew i had to get this done to find out what was wrong with me. When it finished, i yelled, get me out of here. I told her this was terrible and her reply was, you could of asked for a bigger MRI machine that we have in the next room. I said, are you kidding me and how was i suppose to know that. Terrible.

[@M_SC]

Omg! How unempathetic and dumb of her

[@lolwtnick4362]

yeah you could've asked for MAID services. sounds like you're headed there leaf.

[@krystingrant6292]

Yeah im small very tiny i dont like them I'm extremely claustrophobic

[@evilsharkey8954]

They didn’t tell you that they had a larger MRI that was available? Why wouldn’t they put a larger patient into the larger tube just as a standard practice?

[@swansong5263]

Obviously a nurse devoid of any empathy! I feel for you!

[@alwash9323]

They need to fire whoever runs that department and anybody needs to have training every 6 months to keep up their certificates

[@LEARNING-67]

You actually CAN'T increase "mindfulness" by 1 training every 6-month, it's useless and simply a waste of resources! More practical to find some solution to "raise awareness" each time they come in and use that machine, as well as increase their mental/physical conditions! Yes, the machine OPERATORs need to be HEALTHY, not sick like patients who need to be scanned! 😏

[@anniesshenanigans3815]

the training is minimal. I agree with this. As an MRI tech, I have seen some scary situations. When 'training' in HR the new hire is generally given lots of things to read and videos to watch. Nobody listens, nobody pays attention. I was in a group that had just finished watching a video on MRI safety and someone asked me about going in the room when the MRI was turned off.. One of the first things taught is that THE MAGNET IS ALWAYS ON!!!. So that was useless training in my opinion. I try to take people in the room and use a small object like a bobby pin or paperclip and they watch it get yanked out of my hand and fly through the bore... then it becomes real.

[@eleanapshock9016]

@@LEARNING-67exactly!

[@eleanapshock9016]

@@anniesshenanigans3815they are more concern about to vaccinate us with COVID, because they make money!

[@imperfectly_megan]

​​@@anniesshenanigans3815Wait the magnet is always on?! I am baffled how this mistake can happen then. This is as serious as the rule to not point a loaded gun at anyone (even if the safety is on). The instructor should make sure they pay attention for that critical point at least. Something like that.

[@philoctetes_wordsworth]

That is terrifying.

[@brentcrouch1686]

I'm an MRI engineer. The average person cannot fathom the power of one of these magnets.

[@dt-wq7ql]

I always knew these machines were dangerous. Lack of training can kill .

[@crystalbutterfly4812]

yes

[@Objectified]

A large portion of medical equipment is dangerous when proper safety precautions are not used.

[@zakiakassam5674]

@@crystalbutterfly4812👍more lack of perception from both ends

[@Dr.DisrespectFan918]

this is lack of competence. a child can operate a such a machine

[@EsmeraldaWolfsbane7777]

​@@Dr.DisrespectFan918it's your type of thinking that causes negligence this is a job for professionals not morons or children

[@Tina2aT]

Having worked back in 2000 -2004 with MRI’s .. what the hell!! There were strict procedures back then. Kaiser either allowed laziness or a 3rd party involved got lazy. And an 18 thousand dollar fine is chump change for them.

[@joet7136]

It really is nothing. They aren't going to change procedures and make improvements for a measly $18,000 fine.

[@evilsharkey8954]

That’s just the fine. Wait for the civil lawsuit from that nurse! Those doors are supposed to be inaccessible because that magnet can literally kill people who aren’t prepared.

[@xisotopex]

there is something suspicious. there are multiple physical barriers to get through in order to get the bed in the same room... as well as warning signage. almost all facilities as well, the various entrances are all offset to each other.... there is no direct line of sight from zone 1 to zone 4.

[@chrisbeasley4727]

​@@xisotopexit's definitely surprising regardless of facility, but many built prior to having zoning in mind for MRI dont often fit the recommendations of a post MRI hospital, which certainly leads to these incidents becoming increasingly likely

[@tarheelfanatic8213]

Prayers for healing for the tech.

[@sophiaduarte745]

I pray they are ok What a nightmare.

[@catmom1322]

I'm an "old" critical care nurse who has accompanied many of my patients to the CT Scanner & MRI. This is a little frightening!

[@eleanapshock9016]

Wow!

[@mweb1]

'Old' is not in our vocabulary.

[@DR-mq1vn]

A little frightening? No, this a lot frightening to me! I'm never getting an MRI now!

[@dicksyphilis3914]

Chronic incompetence and extreme costs are what you get in American hospitals.

[@jacksonrelaxin3425]

That’s everywhere. We just pay for it directly. Other countries pay for it slowly overtime with taxes.

[@evilsharkey8954]

@@jacksonrelaxin3425Not really. Even with the increase in taxes, we spend twice as much as the next most expensive country. We have a lot of corporate owned hospitals and clinics and even more for profit “non-profit” hospitals that put money above all else, meaning they cut staff, shorten training, skip maintenance, force staff, including doctors, to spend very little time with each patient and do everything they can to boot patients out as fast as possible, even if they’re not in a good state to be released. Profiteering is the cancer in our healthcare system.

[@evegreenification]

EXACTLY!!

[@adamsmoberly]

As someone who has went through stage 4 tongue cancer and dealt with doctors not only before, but during and after covid (well, the big part of it), hospitals are ran very poorly in the USA. Not saying everyone is bad (we are all humans and mistakes are going to happen), but when I have to basically become a radiologist, oncologist, a pain management specialist, and a otolaryngologist…yeah, I think maybe we need to start forcing better regulations on them. And this, I’m not surprised. This shouldn’t happen if we are about to scan a person. But of course, someone likely wasn’t paying attention or doing their job right and while I don’t blame the nurse, I think this should be a wake up call for any nurse or whoever going in to make sure it’s safe. I’m actually thinking of leaving my oncologist, because not only have I for the last 2 appointments waited for two hours to see her, but for her to be there less than ten minutes to tell me I’m fine (despite my physical appearance and health have changed in the last 2 years. She even got my scans back, and she said something that was implying my jaw wasn’t detached or it wasn’t completely bad, so I was ok…sorry, that sounds like “hey your about to go through a serious medical issue, but your fine.” She literally said at the appointment I was fine, but she still needs to see me (yeah, we’ll hun, you got a car, I’ll make sure my door’s unlocked). And don’t get me started on pain management, because the last time I was there I told the woman I’ve had pain in my shoulder and neck and she asked me “do you think we should take care of it or your primary care doctor?”…I don’t know, hmmmmmmmm, maybe it should be the people who are my pain management specialists, but since I’m in constant pain, because not only have doctors messed up for people who has severe pain, but the fact they act like I’m basically telling them I have a 2 on a scale on 1 to 10 of how bad my pain is, when I’m saying it’s a 8 out of 10 (which sometimes is a lie, because it worse), I don’t want to make you actually have to do your damn job. And that’s not even as bad as this. This could have killed someone. I’m sorry, but I think Walmart and Fast Food employees are underpaid compared to doctors and medical professionals. This shouldn’t be that hard to fix. Literally wonder why we have to pay for health care when healthcare is basically you paying to do their jobs for them or to suffer at these people not doing their jobs.

[@bryant475]

This health system is crap- check our Dr. Saray Stancic "What's missing in medicine" book, she has lots of vids on here too!

[@TimCleese]

Even Jesse Pinkman knows about magnets.

[@loricook2188]

Now a days they will hire just about anyone to work in a medical office or hospital. My jaw drops every time I see how employees are allowed to dress, talk and act while working with the public/patients. It’s definitely not like it used to be where you had to speak properly, dress appropriately and act civil, SMH 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@BorisBidjanSaberi11]

Nurses doing TikToks…

[@alakani]

I don't give a single crap how people dress, I care if they're good at their job or not. If anything ruined society, it was boomer tone policing pretending to be a meritocracy

[@eleanapshock9016]

They dress like they are going to the party specially the young!

[@KittenBowl1]

@@eleanapshock9016Yeah I agree these youngsters lack common sense. They think they can dress inappropriately and they don’t even know what it means. It’s all about “me me me” and they’re just not great at what they do either. They’re also quite disrespectful to people with much more experience, rebellious even. These are also isolated individuals, they often lack morals big time.

[@alakani]

@@KittenBowl1 Walt Disney called your generation the "teenager problem" and thought it was so bad that he tried to build an Orwellian glass dome city to keep you out. How 'rebellious and lacking morals' must someone be to irreconcilably piss off _Walt Disney_? Do you think dressing differently would have made him like the generation, or was it more the attitude of impossible entitlement and abuse?

[@i_kissed_a_pixie1537]

Unbelievable. I was regularly taking patients to the MRI, the rules were so strict! This is incomprehensible to me

[@marshallarnold-ep7nn]

The fact that you are surprised by this scares me! The truth a lot of places aren't looking for skill (or intelligence) these days. They are just looking for bodies. I bet if you were in charge of training these people, none of them would have jobs. Because you and your co workers were trained properly. I doubt these people were.

[@appletherapy]

@@marshallarnold-ep7nnit also depends on the hospital structure...my uncle suffered a neck crack and was paralyzed. He did surgery and was fine, but he almost died a few times due to bad saftey measures when using the ventilator and badly installing the abdomen feeding tube..it was Hell for him and it still is...he has uranary issues and needs surgery. I told my mom that the hospital did more damage than his neck fracture ever did.

[@DownShiftDrew]

The Irony Of Getting Crushed By An MRI Machine, Just To End Up Having To Go Into Another One To Scan For Injuries From The First One….

[@notapplicable761]

Can you imagine having an MRI appointment scheduled tomorrow, then watching this? F that, I’m cancelling that appointment!

[@Uk7tn-tn7ku]

$18000 only? They should be fined more. More like $1.8 million or $18 million. And they cannot claim tax breaks on the fines.

[@sabine3769]

Exactly

[@evilsharkey8954]

The civil suit will get them for more, but, yes, they should definitely pay a higher fine. Unfortunately, that means they try harder to cover up the minor injuries and accidents. Profiteering is the cancer of the healthcare system.

[@hollyshaw-elliemae]

kaiser is horrible. absolutely awful. they drugged me up and sent me on the road and caused a car accident. absolutely negligent. my mom worked there for 20 years and had a tumor in her spinal cord, went completely immobile before they did an mri... 4 years of complaining about the pain, they finally saw took the tumor out because it was an emergency that cut off her blood flow. was disgraceful.

[@WarriorVinyard]

they forced you on the road drugged up or you CHOSE do drive drugged up?

[@TUBESPECIFIC1]

Medical centers need to support patient transportation home by providing adequate services such as as authorized drivers for uber, lyft, and public transit are not allowed due to antitheses drug legalities which prevents access to care even when surgeries are scheduled for they require a driver that's not a taxi. There is a corporate ride service, but you're looking at $200 or more dollars out of pocket for a 20 minute ride home by someone that doesn't speak English that probably isn't even in country legally. Luckily Veterans Affairs case manager drove me home when I had surgery twice for I haven't any close loved ones to lean on in a time of need.

[@ThatGuy-gd1vf]

how did they force you on the road, im not saying they are great but how is it their fault that YOU got on the road being drugged

[@hollyshaw-elliemae]

@@WarriorVinyard they medicated us as we left an out patient facility, knowing people were driving etc. you were required to take the meds on site, i requested to take mine when i got home throughtout the whole program and was denied repeatedly.

[@lemontadams3029]

The worst

[@azamtn]

I've gone thru MRI more than once n every time i go thru it i feel nervous. that thing is scary

[@JohnDoe-on6ru]

My worst fear is being crushed while inside the machine getting a scan

[@theresachiorazzi4571]

You can’t blame patients for refusing to go in the mri machine again. Wow.

[@emilioaymat5651]

If u have anxiety about it, they will Rx you a benzo sedative

[@spaarm]

Why would patients refuse to use an mri machine? This was a freak accident due to negligence.

[@ElijahDavis41]

​@@spaarmbecause he/she has good sense

[@cynthiamartin2197]

@@spaarm Freak accidents are defined as 'rare and unexpected.' The hospitals are aware of the safety precautions; and what could happen if they do not follow them. They are not as rare as the public thinks, did you see the chart of MRI accidents due to not following the standard precautions? One preventable accident, and this was preventable is too many.

[@Volundur9567]

​@@spaarmIt happens more often than you think.

[@extrastarplaya2363]

Its important that we all try to stay healthy and avoid hospitals as much as possible.

[@teeanahera8949]

Given the gun culture of the US you cannot just choose to stay healthy.

[@BrigCommander]

@@teeanahera8949 Its important that we all try to stay healthy and avoid getting shot as much as possible

[@Narcissisticbehaviors]

Amen 🙌🙏

[@DemonicAkumi]

Haven't had a need to go to a hospital or see a doctor in decades thankfully.

[@Narcissisticbehaviors]

@@DemonicAkumi amen. That is a blessing. But can I ask you a serious question. What is the reason you call yourself a demon?

[@giftedchild9490]

Even from watching Dr House, you learn about not letting any metal close to mri machine

[@evelynpaterson2823]

Absolutely horrifying! Really hope the Nurse fully recovers.

[@BREEZEMAYES]

The patient should have been transferred to MRI stretcher prior to entering MRI Suite. As an ICU nurse for 47 years & taking patients to MRIs for almost 4 decades, I am horrified that any nurse even a new nurse would make that mistake. Before in wall o2 & o2 tanks MRI certified, tanks would fly into scanners. Before MRI ventilators, pts could not go despite some emergent needs.

[@zombieapocalypse3837]

Agreed, it should probably be a whole semester class in nursing school about the hazards associated with all the various equipment used in the hospital these days to be reemphasized every year in the annual competency class by the regular nursing staff, whether they are inpatient or outpatient.

[@nikkijack911]

​@zombieapocalypse3837 right! We all know there's some useless stuff that could be replaced by something as important as that.

[@simon6071]

Is it true that a person with metal dental implant cannot take the MRI?

[@nicolew6904]

​@@simon6071I have the same question

[@gusgrizzel8397]

@@simon6071 Depends on if it's ferrous metal. The MR tech should go over this with you. Any shrapnel, any surgical clips (prob titanium), any implants, any devices such pacemakers or other, any rods, etc. Ask them.

[@mikewhocheeseharry5292]

Kaiser in Oakland charged me for X-Rays, doctors evaluations, and extra services that I did not receive when I went to urgent care to get checked from a motorcycle accident. My co-worker insisted that I go to hospital and he dropped me off, even though I only had bruises and scrapes. I was only checked by a nurse and all she did was put bandages and I was released. There were no x-rays or doctors.

[@lkd06]

Me and other people I know have had horrible experiences at the Oakland location

[@mikewhocheeseharry5292]

@@lkd06 Yeah. This was awhile back and the bill is no longer on my credit report. I’m in SF now but feel that all of Kaiser pretty much operates as a business.

[@DaughterofAnubis]

You were lucky, but this woman wasn’t.

[@TheTheo58]

Kaiser in Oakland was terrible, a friend who's spouse had Kaiser had a lot of trouble with the pharmacy getting his/her scripts filled delays, mix ups. Around the last six years before I left my old job, the company switched to Kaiser. I went to their clinics a few times. And used the Delta/Dental Plan with my dentist.

[@alakani]

Yeah but what place in Oakland is less terrible?

[@fw1421]

$18,000 fine? Chump change to a hospital.

[@waynefoote3781]

Thank goodness she will have a second chance. WOW!

[@nikoqaddadeh3238]

Not surprised it is Kiaser. They no doubt threatened staff to cover it up. Management did not call OASHA. I was a whistle-blower against Kaiser for a serious issue. Kaiser excuse is their standard excuse.

[@frankpeck1448]

Sadly, these MRI acts of carelessness is a Nationwide Issue, Kaiser or Not! Please read my comment of a 6-year-old boy killed at a New York area Hospital, in 2001. Thank you.

[@kendallevans4079]

I worked as a field service engineer for a few years on CT's. While I can't speak for the MRI, the CT's would scare some people if they knew what was going on inside that big machine. Super heavy components spinning around you, inches from your body.

[@Shaolin91z]

No worries 🤟

[@Jesse5111]

Oh wow...try working literally 2 feet away from a 60 inch circular headsaw...

[@beautynbrains3550]

I don't play with those either. The tech always say u can stay “naw I'm good”

[@dan-tv1kp]

No emergency stop on those machines either. Magnetic fields are multiple Tesla. Shutting down the machine instantly would cause the machine to effectively explode.

[@kgs2280]

@@Jesse5111I always said that being inside one while it’s running is like being buried in a lighted coffin on a construction site with a jackhammer running a couple of feet from your head. I highly recommend self-hypnosis training before getting an MRI! I actually managed to get myself to fall asleep for a minute or two inside one once.

[@Burgerkingsucks1]

I had an MRI last year. Took about 30 minutes. The humming of the machine made me feel so comfortable and relaxed. I started falling asleep and then it was over.

[@samuri119]

With great power comes great responsibility...

[@kassi4837]

Omg 😱 wow. I hope the victims survive and get better.

[@BallBusta]

It really is INSANE how many warning signs, labels, and protocols are plastered around these rooms and get completely ignored by staff. Utterly inane somehow people still managed to use their worst judgement having severe bodily harm and death be the result of their laxity.

[@steveurbach3093]

That is the problem: TOO MANY SIGNS and you become sign saturated. Open the manual of any appliance and count how many 'DON'T' pages. Much of this is Lawyer CYA, but the bottom line is the reeely important one got overlooked.

[@estebancorral5151]

You should worry more about the fact that the leading Prof. of Engineering at UC Berkeley contradicted the state engineer by stating that both the Gooldengate and Bay bridges are unsafe.

[@ThatsOPV]

loss of life is the only thing that will make logic jump to the forefront of your mind in regard of protocols, safety and just overall caution. until they have a story of someone unfortunately passing included in the "training" no one will listen. and they become complacent. you can see this phenomena everywhere and at every level in out current society. someone said the term this week to me and i already forgot it. but they have a term for it. Basically people arent cautious only because it hasnt happened yet, so they dont put in place barriers to stop it from happening, to them its an expense rather than an investment. You know the dangerous street that never had any stop signs or traffic lights, and everyone in town told you to pay attention to. it only gets a light or fixed up AFTER someone unfortunately passes. the city wont think its important until then. reactive, never proactive. prevention is the best cure.

[@paulsaulpaul]

It's as if people don't intuitively understand how a giant permanent magnet reacts to metal in the vicinity of it. Even the popular TV series, Breaking Bad, did an episode referencing the power of a magnetic field. And many people have played with powerful NdFeB magnets that can crush limbs at worst and draw blood in the smallest cases of them coming together on skin. The MRI has permanent magnets that cannot be "shut off" so it makes these incidents pretty horrific. Removing the bed in this incident would have been extremely painful and even more damaging to the nurse's body. You generally have to slide the magnet from the metal, because pulling it apart takes a lot of force.

[@evilsharkey8954]

@@paulsaulpaulThere is a way to “turn off” the MRI magnets, but it’s expensive and can damage the equipment. The magnets are superconducting and stay at very, very cold temperatures whether the machine is running or not. If the magnets are allowed to warm up, they lose their incredible strength until they’re supercooled again. If there is no immediate danger to anyone, they let it warm up slowly. If a person is trapped, they have to quench it, which means rapidly warming the magnets. The rapid and uneven thermal expansion can cause damage, so it’s only done in emergencies.

[@PaulDavidRenker]

Lack of accountability! Lack of training! Lack of transparency!

[@PearlLopez-vc4wk]

Prayers 🙏 for both . ❤❤

[@margaretwebb2656]

Praying🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@ypcomchic]

I had an mri at a hospital ER in modesto and they were on their game! The mri is kept outside in a separate building and wheel chair I was brought out there in was left outside. Team of two people made sure no metal went in there and they asked me if I had any metal in me prior to mri. Kudos to them! Hope the nurse recovers fully.

[@kellykwongali]

My experience getting an MRI was like yours, but that it what it's supposed to be What the hell is this situation?

[@donm-tv8cm]

I was a nurse for 7 years. We are trained on MRI safety. And any nurse should know that a patient bed is loaded with ferromagnetic materials! NO WAY would I push a patient bed into an MRI room!!!

[@M_SC]

I know nothing about healthcare and even I know MRI and metal is a no no

[@sandrasanders706]

How can you miss that? Smh🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🙅‍♀️

[@mindys1198]

I am a MRI tech and so many rns and resp say that they only think magnet is on when it is making noise

[@ambersgrace1]

@@mindys1198I work in the lab and I was taught that it is ALWAYS on, and is only turned off when it needs service or something has gotten stuck in it, which costs 10k for the hospital to service after an accident. This should’ve never happened if the employees we’re following policies.

[@Kylewraps]

Why’d you quit?

[@user-md5bf8kc5e]

Accident happened when you assumed nothing happen. 😂. It is called ignorance of duty.

[@USMCGHOST420]

Poor lady 😔

[@MikeAnvil]

I literally just had an MRI last Friday, and it’s not the only one I’ve had this year. I’m already battling various health issues but witnessing something like this would’ve surely scarred me as I already have PTSD. My heart goes out to the technician who was hurt in this incident.

[@Agaetis181]

Sameee I always get the most rude staff as well. When I was young I was having x-rays, well the needle where they put the dye in your blood wasn't put in correctly and it burned so bad like I was screaming and the nurse behind the window yelling "calm down you're fine!!!" I couldn't move or anything it was like torture. Then when lo and behold the scan didn't work and she came to see the dye was all over my arm, so she acts surprised, no apology no nothing. I demanded something to knock me out for the redo and it was like she was going to argue with me about that! I've had similar experiences with the MRI, like those ghetto ones where it's tiny and it rocks the bed back and forth like wtf is this even safe. Yeah I hate hospitals. I hope you get over your ailments

[@alicel3992]

Mike, A nurse was harmed. I'm due for an MRI, but not at kaiser. But I'm still wondering.

[@lewis20002000]

As an MRI technician, I can asure you this can only happen if there was "NO" registered experienced present or that was a new nurse that took it on themselves to "pull" that bed into the MR room on their own. I'm sure no one saw them doing until it was too late. Getting pinned like that with a hospital bed is HIGHLY unlikely without MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE failures.😢

[@jayangli]

Mike Anvil are these machines safe or not??

[@icouldbewrongicouldberight]

​@@jayanglithe definition of safe != definition of harmless Hth

[@723lion]

Kaiser need to stop hiring people that do drugs before work

[@neckarsulme]

or during work

[@Chad-Giga.]

I am not a Kaiser member anymore and I can't tell you the relief

[@mikewhocheeseharry5292]

What if they need to do drugs to make it through the long hard shift of working?

[@Chad-Giga.]

@@mikewhocheeseharry5292 they can get fired

[@Chad-Giga.]

@@mikewhocheeseharry5292 it's not about them, it's about the patients

[@operasinger2126]

Tragic. So terrible.

[@TheKevinGeee]

They literally had this episode in 9-1-1. This has happened so many times and yet hospitals do not learn.

[@BeckVMH]

As a patient having had numerous MRI exams at multiple facilities over the years, this is alarming. I’ve never thought of this type of potential danger and risk involved if procedures are not followed. Interesting.

[@daphnea5447]

How would you not know that MRIs have magnets in them after numerous scans???

[@BeckVMH]

⁠@@daphnea5447 Haha a bit condescending, but in response, you might reconsider my comment.

[@marleonetti7]

@@daphnea5447 just because a patient gets a MRI either once or more than once , that does not mean they will understand how exactly it works or how strong of a magnet it actually is or even be told anything about a magnet . your comment is much too assuming .

[@douglaspage2398]

The machine can be dangerous, but so can the contrast dye. some people have adverse reactions to the dye, causing kidney injury. I have been on dialysis ever since my 3rd contrast MRI. the bad thing is, you don't know if you are going to have a reaction until you do, and then it is often too late.

[@BeckVMH]

@@marleonetti7 Thank you for your comment. Betting the vast majority of the general public and certainly those who’ve had an MRI, understand significant magnetic fields are involved, hence its name and the numerous questionnaires and verbal discussions prior to exams; however, the potential for incredibly catastrophic results if procedures aren't followed and shown here is most interesting. Every staff I've dealt with has been very professional and seemingly goes beyond the call. And yep, I appreciate the care and competence demonstrated by my medical professionals and do make a point to thank them. It's complicated work and has significant responsibilities.

[@HiThisIsMine]

The only place where Fire and EMT don’t show up when there’s an accident

[@ugh2276]

This is my worst nightmare and why it's hard for me to trust hospitals and the medical establishment.

[@Freedomcustom]

There's a reason to have signage in and around the outside of the room itself excluding metal from coming even within range of the doors...

[@cathyburrows8162]

There was another incident where prisoner was put in the machine with hand cluffs on.

[@marylinthicum678]

And one was a female prisoner. They took the cuffs off but left the belly chain on. The sheriffs dept. even asked the MRI technician if that should be removed and she said that she thought it would be alright to stay on. Sheesh

[@mace2m431]

I think that incident was in Arizona. One of my friend is a nurse and she had to go with a sick premature infant for a MRI. The MRI team also screened her as well as the infant. She forgot that she had a bobbie pin in her hair. She said she felt it being pulled. Thankfully, they were not yet in the final zone for clearance.

[@slk1352]

Wasn't the cop stuck to the machine also because of his gun?

[@cathyburrows8162]

Heard that when the deputy tried help the prisoner stuck to machine, he become stuck also and gun also.

[@terywetherlow7970]

Whoa.....full education right here on comment section. No thanks for having an MRI.

[@jarvissense2211]

My wife works in a hospital where they use the mri machine like a printing press at $6000 a pop. They are always looking for excuses it seems to use it whether it's necessary or not. I think this is just easy money for hospitals and they take full advantage of it. This is what corporate health care looks like.

[@bcbock]

How hard is it to know the ONE BIG RULE of MRIs. All metal must remain OUTSIDE the room.

[@msimm8612]

I thought it was common knowledge that beds don't go in the mri room

[@joralemonvirgincreche]

Common knowledge for whom? All hospital staff? I don't work in the medical field and I had never heard that.

[@msimm8612]

yes hospital staff. anyone who brings patients to mri@@joralemonvirgincreche

[@makisupaPIGman]

Oh so this is why they are raising premiums 29% in 2024??? Gotta have $ for the lawsuits.