Archery | Distance & Deception

[@NUSensei]

DOUBLE DECEPTION How many takes did I go through? Trick montages also won't reveal this. I did one warm-up set to determine my gap. The shots done in the first half were done in a single take. The shots done at the end were done in a single take, but after one failed attempt in which 3 arrows went off the gold, and two off-centre shots at the end were also removed. Again, it's easy to make yourself look good with the right editing.

[@Jason608]

Technically you could take a first-day beginner and remove all the non-golds after each end until you have all arrows in the 10 ring. Might take a while but it's "photo worthy" when you're done, even if it's a total lie.

[@cloudrouju526]

Or just shoot first then draw the target later.

[@irzackihmj5259]

You just hurt the lars fan's feeling.LOL

[@Krendor123]

@Rad Derry Very good shooters (worlds best class) tend to target a bit off from their arrows in the target at low distances, because otherwise they would destroy their arrows most of the time. GIven that a single arrow for competitions can cost easily around 50 Euro / 50 Dollar, this is due to the immense cost. And in the life of an archer, you are mostly guaranteed to do a "Robin Hood Shot" at least one time. It is just the immense number of arrows shot that results in a lucky "hit your own arrow". An Beginner to Advanced archer shoots around 60 to 80 Arrows twice a week - that's a huge number in ones life.

[@Krendor123]

@Rad Derry I think those extremely expensive arrows can only be used by the best of the world. A normal user wouldn't feel a difference. But not every profi archer uses them? I don't know. I only know that arrows can be quite expensive. It is about consistency and the faster the arrow flies, the less it is exposed to wind and other factors. To get the last 2% more energy you pay such a high price. For the terminology I must apologize. I am native german and don't know the correct english words. Well, I am shooting olympic recurve. I have to hold 28 pounds of force and a bow with a weight of around 2kg with only one completele stretched arm for around 10 seconds per arrow. Given I am not trained at all (never done any sports, working in software developing) this is no wonder. I would really like to go shooting more often, but I only have so much time. :-(

[@DanScribla]

The most credible archery source on the internet. Nice one.

[@dreadlock375]

I know right? There is literally no actual pieced information out there

[@EvelynH-tj1qt]

I only get my archery information from random archery blogs from 2004 and random youtubers with 20 subs and little to no archery experience.

[@mikajlod25]

I actually hate when I hit my own arrow, it's one less arrow that day, an arrow I have to replace. If I wanted to waste my ammo I'd be shooting guns lol

[@GabrielCarvv]

"if I wanted to waste my ammo I'd be shooting guns" lmao good job sounding poor as fuck

[@EvelynH-tj1qt]

For everyone here, guns, bows, and crossbows all have their own strengths and weaknesses and each is useful in a different situation. A bow is a relatively short range weapon with fairly non-consumable ammunition, a crossbow is a little bit more advanced and can be more accurate at longer ranges and achieve more power at the cost of price and higher likelihood that the bolt may break or become damaged, guns are more accurate and longer range but are loud and expensive to shoot and buy. Not speaking of legal issues with using certain weapons in certain areas, each one has their own use and situation to be used in.

[@ParabolicBox]

@Strength Beyond Strength People do, and they re-cast the lead into new projectiles.

[@AverageAlien]

It's a satisfying way to lose arrows. I'd rather lose then like that than get them stuck in a fence

[@redsquarejay]

You break arrows when you hit them? I've slapped my arrows many times and the only wear and tear are from the feathers which is cheap and easy to replace

[@jeffwang6460]

"And whatever bullseyes you're getting are flukes" Lol I've never felt more attacked.

[@dace48]

This is also why archers tend to remain unimpressed by trick shooters. It looks impressive to an outsider but to us we know how easy it is. This is why you'll see the "archery community" seem to slam certain performers because they DO deliberately mislead people into thinking that they have superhuman skills when realistically I can have a total novice hitting those shots in a couple of hours.

[@NUSensei]

I'm guessing you commented before reaching the end of the video. In any case, absolutely. Hitting a can or an apple at 5m is not an impressive feat.

[@dace48]

You caught me, I'd already hit reply before the very end. Considering that I've just spent the morning doing the Gao Ying practice at around 1m maybe I should have taken photos and posted them showing my awesome grouping.

[@Tennouseijin]

And then when those trick shooters claim "I can teach you this skill in one day" they say it as if it was a display of "I'm an awesome teacher" rather than "It's simply quite easy".

[@NUSensei]

@@Tennouseijin This is precisely, again, why Lars is overrated. The current trend is his fans yelling about how he worked on Robin Hood, but months of training Taron Egerton and he can hit discs at 3 metres and shoot a single arrow while doing a little hop. None of these skills were used during production.

[@Tennouseijin]

@@NUSensei To be honest, my approach to watching movies is - wait a dacade or two after the release, then see which movies are still considered must-watch classics. And maybe find some time to watch at least a few of those. So my knowledge about this particular Robin Hood movie is near zero, other than what I heard from a few youtubers.

[@donnie-sherrieclinton9457]

Well said!... I teach archery at a local High school and I have had students who become very frustrated after two or three classes (1 hr. class, two times a week,) because they feel as though they “Just can’t get it”. They watch a lot of KZbin videos…. Or television and they see either the deliberate deception or don’t understand that “Camera Angle and Angular Perspective” can be very deceptive! Today's kids live in an “Instant World” … and if they don’t obtain accuracy immediately… they are convinced that there is something wrong with them… and often times want to give up! Thankfully… None of my students have given up… and have now achieved a “certain “level of proficiency! I will be showing them this KZbin video in class this next week! Donnie

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

how about you teach them how archery works so they get a more intricate and complex picture ? elevate the from the stupidity of dunner kruger effect , physics, euler , hooke``s law , bio mechanics,etc

[@donnie-sherrieclinton9457]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 Already on it.... sort of.... ;-) We started off just having fun... some of the students were very happy with that... while others wanted more! As they progressed... and began realize that their shooting abilities were in a direct relationship with the effort they put in........ they began asking more and more technical questions... and I am taking them just as deep as they want to go!!!! I have (5) five students that just can't get enough of the intricacies of archery. and are absolutely eating it up... while the others are pretty happy with socializing with other students and having fun! This video that NUSensei has made created really backs up what they students are slowly learning for themselves!!!!

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@donnie-sherrieclinton9457 but why is it not self evident from the start? where does this insta skill perception come from ?

[@donnie-sherrieclinton9457]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 They are kids... you cant expect them to think like an adult. They live in a world of microwave ovens and jet planes... (you can now boil water in 45 seconds and get on a plane in Oregon and be in New York in 5 hours....) The world that we are giving them is all about "Speed and Convenience".... and I think this is one of the main reason so many are drawn to Compound Bows. (Half the Practice... and twice the accuracy.) Traditional Archery is about "Discipline" and "Time Spent Developing a Skill Set".... Archery in itself goes against what the majority of the world is striving for. I'm just trying to get these kids out of the rut this wold is creating for them to fall into! ;-)

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@donnie-sherrieclinton9457 id bet they know how a plane works and you til have to spend time in flight and that a compound requires different skill sets like learning to only drive an automatic transmission

[@Swarkyishome]

I'll be honest I know nothing about archery I just like hearing you talk

[@IraJavier]

This hits home for me. My range has 20m, 30, 50, 60 and 70. Going from 20 to 30 was quite a drastic change. At 20m I can get a decent grouping by just adjusting the arrow tip. I was doing a million other things inconsistently, but never noticed. But at 30, I felt you need to be much more aware of draw length/anchoring, finger release, bow tension, trajectory. I even adjust for arrow weight and air resistances as I sometimes switch to shoot wooden flu-flu's.

[@space.youtube]

Camera angle can't disguise arrow flight time. That's what I look for when trying to get an estimation of range. And if the archer walks to target to extract arrow, count steps. There are many who like to embellish the truth.

[@ferret1252]

r/theydidthemath

[@freaki0734]

don't they differ very greatly tho? at least between the extremes like a longbow with very thick arrows and a compound bow

[@kakarot1234567891234]

Freaki 07 yes they do.

[@Robert-qr8co]

I've been shooting for a few months now and the distance is really what makes your arrows miss. At ten metres, all in the gold, no problem. But twenty or thirty metres? I just can't wait for my own bow to arrive. Shooting with matching arrows and revealing, step by step, the faults in my technique...it is already thrilling now. The emotional reward for hitting a good shot is priceless.

[@Istariable]

Lars Andersen is impressive. He shoots accurately and quickly while moving, both hands, several techniques, no anchor, no nock point, no arrow rest, arrow from the right side etc.

[@ShimmeringSword]

And he does it with a light poundage bow and at short distances. He's a good archer, but he is not a savant.

[@jharchery4117]

Excellent reality check for those of us who watch archers on film! Remember the old Hollywood shorts from the 30's and 40's. Lots of takes and retakes and tricks of the camera angle, no doubt...

[@lyn4219]

i just started yesterday, im practicing the gap method. been watching videos on forms, i hope my journey will be fruitful.

[@derayend6939]

How is it now? 1 year later

[@SilverSidedSquirrel]

Thank you Nu! I have the hardest time explaining to people that it isn't hard, and I am not even very awesome. The place I live is SO dominated by compound archers though that people literally get scared off by not having a scope on a trad bow. This should really help.

[@kishurocks]

I could never afford a bow but I love watching your stuff and you're entertaining to watch.

[@matthewward2451]

Thank you for all the advice in these videos. I recently started back up instinctive shooting with my Great Grandpas old recurve. I wish there was some one in my area who could help and give me some pointers.

[@madogmedic]

Ok, so, I think that you have touched upon a subject that, in my opinion, is neglected by far too many of us (as in people in general), and that is "responsibility", which implies, that you perceive yourself accountable, at least to yourself, for what you teach. I realize, this may seem an odd post to people reading this. I just felt the need to do so. Keep up the good job

[@madogmedic]

A great video. One other Archer I enjoy following is Gary Chynne. He breaks down hitting the target in a very similar manner. He describes the gap method as well. The two of you, do a great job making it understandable for an old guy like me. I shoot rifles and pistols. In order to hit effectively, you have to understand the ballistics of what it is you are shooting. You can't simply put the "cross hair" on the center of you target and expect to hit the target. Thanks again Justin

[@armandojuarez4389]

Very helpful. Have been watching for a while and have learned so much

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Coming from a firearm target shooting background, I had a leg up on many of the other beginner archers in my class in understanding the need for consistency, POA, POI and the whatnot, so I started getting pretty tight groups at short range fairly quick and some saw this as being a greater feat that I would consider it. Not that it isn't fun to occasionally just drill the gold at short range, I generally go for a much smaller MOA at that range and, while my misses may be close to each other, I am aware that my small misses would be much larger at longer range. Now, it doesn't hurt that while I shoot a recurve there's a guy that's pinpoint accurate at that range with a hunting compound bow, so we both tend to shoot for multiple small bullseyes vs the single target like the rest of the class.

[@TrevorThePilot]

I really like your videos, and, as a beginner, I'm learning a lot from you. I find it hard to understand how recurve archers shoot outdoors from seventy meters, and compound archers shoot from fifty meters (at a smaller target). I would have thought the more powerful compound bow would shoot at targets further away than the recurve archers. Keep up the great work. Trevor.

[@NUSensei]

The 50m target on 80cm is relatively a smaller target than 122cm at 70m. It's actually more difficult, and more of a test of precision.

[@xDuWuTang]

"At shorter distances, the arrow doesn't have time to deviate" Same principle applies in billiards. At shorter distances, the cue ball usually hits the object ball before it goes off line.

[@Mre942]

yeah, the camera that is filming on big sports even are using a long focal lenght lens with meaning, so the public can see the target better while seeing the archer att the same time. The same reason the moon looks so small on your phone (a smaller focal length/wide angle lens) , when you use like a 600-800mm lens the picture get so compressed (objects far away gets bigger in relative to objects closer to the camera).

[@Eye-m7f]

I'm currently shooting at 40m, and yeah, small mistakes and everything would be a mess 😂😢

[@strongocho]

I learned this when starting out and having so much confidence at 10-15 yards in my backyard, then being humbled very fast at 30 yards. 20 yards is not twice as difficult as 10 yards, it is like 4x as difficult.

[@jpdj2715]

I watched a couple matches shooting at 70 meters (76.55 yards) in Antalya (Turkey) with the best archers in the world (via YT). Open air. Coastal area. Changing wind force and direction frequently because of that. One archer shot 10s with a couple Xs, missed the clue from the flag indicating wind force and direction changing and shot an 8. As Sensei says, 70 meters is a big distance and the awareness only sinks in when the camera zooms out to the angle of view of an archer, looking out from where the archers have to shoot.

[@Win94ae]

That is like a lot of people say I'm a great shot or whatnot, with my rifles; but I get first time shooters shooting the same targets as consistently in no time. The key is having the sights set properly for that distance, the technique isn't as critical as most think, for the type of shooting I do. Of course, those that flinch need a bit of extra help.

[@griiffy2]

Using the point of aim is a very good way to teach beginners starting out. If a new beginner is given a site it is not easy to do the form and focus on the site. Once the shooter has a good form, and achieving a good group using the point of aim/gap shooting - then introduce the site. When at a certain distance with point of aim and the pin for that designated distance match, then don't use the point of aim, use the site pin for that distance. If a shooter tries to set the pin without point of aim first, the shooter will be fiddling and diddling with the site pin each and every shot. As long as the arrows are the same weight and length a nice group can be had using the point of aim and then match the site pin. Then you can go for the 3 spot targets so the shooter won't Robin Hood an expensive arrow.

[@pixieprepper3317]

I love the honesty on this 🖤

[@bobsharpe8063]

You're so right I was shooting a 1 inch wide stick in the center of my target easily but stepping back just 8 yards and moving it over was way harder.

[@eqlzr2]

A couple things: For some reason, as a new archer, I was pleased to see in this video that you didn't shoot your bow with it perfectly vertical. I don't know why I was pleased to see this, but I seem to shoot better when I tilt the bow to the right a fair amount. The other thing is, that with gap shooting, the eye basically is the rear sight, and the arrow tip is the front sight, if I'm not mistaken. Assuming that one's eye is not capable of moving outside one's head, then arrow length would have a very substantial effect on where the arrow strikes the target. Presumably, in gap shooting using the same aiming point, a longer arrow would cause the arrow to strike relatively lower on a target than a shorter arrow, and therefore it would be best to absolutely standardize on one arrow length, n'est-ce pas? Many thanks. Oh, and one more thing, and I've noticed this in Survival Lilly's vids, you can really see in your slow-mo shot how the arrow jumps off your shelf after release and actually flies for awhile tilted downwards. Maybe someone has done a careful vid on how arrows fly off the bowshelf immediately after release as a function of nocking point, etc. I'd like to see that.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax

[@BennyCFD]

Even cheap bows placed in a mechanical machine will get shot for shot consistency better than most everybody who shoots archery.

[@wendigo7176]

I was shooting from 50m-ish today with a barebow, I had a 40cm hanging target cube and could only guess if I overshoot or undershoot from that distance. At that distance milimeters of string walking made the difference between hit or miss, but even misses were close groupings and it was much more fun than shooting from 20m or something

[@DarxusC]

A 30 meter group will be 3 times as big as a 10 meter group. I feel like nice solid numbers are useful, instead of vaguely saying longer distances will have bigger groups. The math here is that simple.

[@choisunsix8673]

Nusensei merch? Nice shirt btw

[@vheix]

I like the barebow you are using. May i know which model? Btw, great info as always.

[@crominion6045]

NIKA Archery Raptor. About $200 USD on ebay.

[@johndaileytraditionalarcher]

Great video and good information

[@dalesearcy5734]

I shoot instinctive and can't even imagine shooting and hitting a target at 60 meters. Yes, that the camera does not show the distance very well. Much respect due to long distance shooters.

[@thearchersparadox3292]

Dale, I shoot instinctive as well and 60 meters is more than do-able. I believe any of us can do it and would happily offer advice on your shooting if you would like.

[@elevown]

I was hoping in the latter half you would show how small an olympic target looks at 70m WITHOUT a misleading camera angle / close up shot - i.e taken with a lense with no zoom at eye level, looking the same as it would to the naked eye. Otherwise, nice video as always :)

[@dace48]

On KZbin is a video titled "The Antient Scorton Silver Arrow 2016" (old spelling, not a typo) which is not my video (though I am in it) showing shooting at 100 yards (91.44 metres.) Every non-archer I have showed it to commented on how tiny the targets were, and that's using the 122cm large target faces.

[@NUSensei]

Target Sizes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIOzoZeMrcuZe68 Same size comparison in the War Archers video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGOre6qKi8xogq8

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@dace48 the problem is that different lenses have different focal points, appretur, f stop, deetph of field and croped sensor vs full frame etc.

[@TheCrimsonAtom]

When I see randomers that come to the club and look at me shoot and are excited by shoots that I consider terrible I realize how it looks from the outside, but it doesn't make me the best archer in the world unlike what they may thing at the time. The problem is the archers that think that "Well someone that doesn't understand anything about it said I'm good so I must be amazing!"

[@theorderoforange]

Wow stand back badass!

[@OutdoorBiology]

Ok so what bow would you choose the bear takedown or the black wolf (rcx-17). Love your videos btw they are really educational but at the same time very interesting.

[@1959jimbob]

What is the backstop made of? Your instructionals are spot on mate and thank you so very much for taking the time to teach. I know personally I have learned a ton from you already and am looking forward to getting my back healed enough to launch a few long slender pointy things toward a target.

[@Gorkilein]

I never shoot a bow but a Crossbow once and I always wondered why she is so much flipping out when she hits the close target 3 times in a row. Even with a crossbow I had problems when not even doubling the distance.

[@greenhoodedvigilante458]

I have a question. Exercises like push up, chin up helps to build shoulder muscles. Do they help in archery for moving up in draw weight?

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

no.. push up uses boody weight for resistance so the potential is limited , pull ups dont work the muscles in same direction required by archery witch are the trapezius , rhomboid, pectorals, deltoids , triceps and the forearm flexors , rowing exorcises is the best option

[@jimf1964]

Using gap aiming I was getting most of my shots in his yellow ring at 10m my second day out. The problem you’re talking about though is distances look so so much farther on screen.

[@barryrowbotham1]

Hey mate been watching few of your vids good tips picking up a lot teaching myself obviously lol. Had a question have a cheapy recurve bow currently (no sight) my groupings are getting a lot better at 10 meters but I noticed in the video how you talk about aiming down lining your arrow tip lower which I was doing to start with but there is a place on my bow that steps out which I have been using to gauge my height which is working more consistently was wandering if it’s a bad habit to get into and I should focus more on the arrow head for height

[@iberico81]

Yep, for many other KZbin channels, when they offer a review of anything, what we get is just a review of their ego. For a beginner, is it better to start at short range until you make perfect grouping and then take the next step, or would it be better to start at medium range? Which method would make a beginner to improve faster?

[@thelonerider9693]

The sad thing is that some some of us we are stuck shooting short distances especially when the range is closed. (How big are most garages or backyards?) I often wonder if shooting at close distance at home is doing more harm than good in terms of learning to aim because it does not translate to real shooting at the range, but I keep at it because it at least keeps my back and shoulders used to pulling the bow.

[@NUSensei]

Short distance is perfect for form. Aiming can be learned later.

[@thelonerider9693]

@@NUSensei Thank you. I guess it does help after all then at least to improve anchor and release consistency.

[@lburrsshinyhunts2253]

What about catching the arrow from the yumi bow like Miyagi in The Next Karate Kid?

[@StonyRC]

No better source of real-world archery information on the Interwebsnet.

[@RedmarKerkhof]

Also - and this is knowledge I've only heard on other youtube videos - when you're hunting, you want to kill the animal as quickly as possible. The further away, the greater the chance you cause unnecessary suffering as penetrating power decreases.

[@FactoryofRedstone]

Yes the penetrating power decreases, but this decrease is not to problematic (depending on the animal). The bigger problem is the aiming, you don't want to just hit the animal, you want to archive a lethal hit, preferably at the vital organs. I think that is also a reason most of those prepers (a few shown in the video) shoot at small distances, because they don't aim for getting high precision on distance, but they are trying to get trained in hitting the target at small ranges every time. And when they hunt (or need to hunt), they will try to get close to the animal and get a lethal hit from short ranges, rather then a penetrated limb at 30m

[@gizmonomono]

Couldn't help but notice that arrow "jump" in slow motion. I've had this problem often, even with feathers. Is that due to bad release?

[@LostBeetle]

I'm not an expert, but what I consider proficient is 7" at 20 yards with traditional shooting (no sights, stabilizers, or dropping the bow). 6" is a decent. 5" is very decent and seems to be a common benchmark, and in a good season with a lot of practice as good as I ever got really with decent consistency (with groups of five). 4" is good. 3" and under and now we're talking really good, if you can do that consistently you're what I would consider an expert, achieved a level most are never capable of no matter how much practice they get. Comparing traditional to olympic style is apples and oranges though. Point being, if you shot your primary style at 10m you probably wouldn't want to shoot the same spot more than once unless you want to break a lot of arrows, hell I wouldn't want to do that traditionally since I break enough at 20 yards. Guys in the olympics are machines. Most people couldn't even offhand a group that good with a rifle at 70m. Impressive stuff. But they would never pull that off with traditional styles, not happening, no way no how.

[@LostBeetle]

@@dreadlock375 I just re-read my comment and cannot figure out your response. For you to interpret my comment like this shows you must be a very sensitive person. What exactly in that comment could possibly offend your poor little sensibilities?

[@LostBeetle]

@@dreadlock375 "well you kind of underrepresented Olympic archers while giving the spotlight to traditional shooters" No it didn't... Not in any way shape or form did I ever put down olympic style archers in that comment. You're reaching really far.

[@LostBeetle]

@@dreadlock375 "You failed on this social test." Get out of here with your supposed reverse psychology you are pretending to have engaged in from the get go when you weren't. Don't insult my intelligence. "That is why I used words that especially trigger traditional shooters" What are you even talking about?

[@dreadlock375]

@@LostBeetle hey so its been around two years at this point so it probably doesn't matter. I randomly remembered this comment thread and realized how incredibly cringy and astoundingly stupid my comments were. Bear in mind you were talking to a 14 year old troll at that time, but i just cant live with how cringy and stupid my comments were, especially after re-reading them. Pulling the old "social experiment" thing in hindsight is the stupidest thing i can think of now. And to think I believed at that time that this actually had anyone fooled. I just want to apologize for being a brainlet at that time. I would also like to apologize for any used time and brainpower to read my troll messages. Have a good day.

[@LostBeetle]

@@dreadlock375 I can't remember what the comments contained. I will say though, as a teenager I said a lot of cringe things online back on internet 1.0. Even more so in real life. Sometimes you reflect back on a past cringe thing you did and you feel hot in the face because it was so bad, lol.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

All of the same points about close versus far apply to firearms as well, with different numbers.

[@MarcRitzMD]

Could you make a comparison of your precision at this distance using a sight vs gap shooting vs instinctive?

[@asurvivorsarsenal6502]

see this is why i shoot 20 to 40 meters on my youtube channel and no less with no sights on a long bow and horse bow (Except for trick shots). at least 20 plus because i agree with video, i was about to make a video on this, but u beat me to the punch, good job.

[@themachine7534]

Longtime fan

[@alivahedi1347]

Great Job!

[@b12khx89]

Woah, stand back... Bad ass! 🤣🤣🤣😂

[@dreadlock375]

AND KNEEEEEEEL

[@Futsuey]

Very good video !

[@peterxyz3541]

Wide angle lens (like in cel phone & action cams) EXPAND space. Things LOOKS farther

[@GhosthoundYT]

Nu-Sensei Hitting all arrow: "This is not even that good!" Meanwhile me, 2 hit out of 10 arrow (not even at the center of the target: "What can I say... I have natural talent" Increase my range time, I guess T_T

[@tyrael280]

1:15 very true. I like to shoot at 70m. the distance makes the challenge and my pleasure ;)

[@Jormmg]

Hey I have a few questions! What's your draw weight and if you hunt, what range do you feel comfortable hunting?

[@luismenendez6249]

@@Jormmg In order to shoot at 70 m you will need a 40 pounds or more bow. Mine is only 28 pounds and it is good for 30 meters, not more. I´ve not tried 70 m just yet. I am not that good (I am a beginner); I am afraid of killing one bird or two if I try!! ;-))

[@Ragnafyr]

Hmm my eyes...or youtube... may decieve me but it looks like all of your arrows are getting a kick to the nock by your shelf. Nocking point too low? Just my 2ct. :D

[@SHOTGUN_530]

Can you please tell me about your target backboard? Might be a silly question. What exactly have you stacked up there? And lifetime? I'm currently shooting hay bales.

[@luger9857]

Knock right looks like you need to add a little weight to the arrow tip

[@BradleyJohnHunt]

Deceived like cutting out the gold of an 80cm target face to make it appear like a smaller target and more impressive grouping?

[@thearchersparadox3292]

Best comment I've read so far.... Nice.

[@BradleyJohnHunt]

@@thearchersparadox3292 calling them as I see them 🤷🏼‍♂️ at that distance chucking that many down range at one aiming point, should be stacking them and busting arrows.

[@thearchersparadox3292]

@@BradleyJohnHunt agreed... Any idea what instinctive archers are shooting for score on standard nfaa blue face targets at 20 yards? I shoot 260's without Gap or string walking.... Just curious how others are doing....

[@BradleyJohnHunt]

@@thearchersparadox3292 wouldn't know buddy, 3D is my game.

[@ianquindipan6164]

As a traditional asiatic horse bow user, I just get excited when I can hit a target 60 meters away. My bow doesn't go much farther without high drawing haha!

[@stevehatfield117]

Survival Lilly announces her distances.

[@lyn4219]

this is awesome

[@typhoon2827]

There was nothing basically proficient about that loose. 🤣

[@aaronsanborn4291]

When you can knock a quarter off the top of the target at 30 yards with a traditional long bow or recurve every time let me know...I used to do it all the time as a kid when I was shooting almost every day

[@blackforestham3792]

Aaron Sanborn sure there buddy

[@user-bo8yt4uc8b]

Why do you use the largest possible target on that close distance? That group on a 40cm target wouldn’t look much of anything.

[@andrewvaziri]

@nusensei I think a great follow up video would be to explain why KZbinrs make the target seem far away. They are not being dishonest, they just don't have a dedicated photographer. Most KZbinrs who are filming themselves keep the camera conveniently close to where they are standing. They use a wide angle lens that would also be suitable for arms-length vlogging on a camera that is perhaps one meter away. So, in this example the camera is 1 meter away from the archer and 11 meters away from the target, causing the target to take up a relatively small portion of the image. A torso sized target seems to take up 1/11th (~9%) the size of the KZbinr's torso. Olympic events on the other hand have professional photography staff. The targets are 80 meters from the archers, the TV cameras are 30 meters behind the archers and the sports photographers are even further behind them. This means that the sports photographer's camera might be 50 meters away from the archer and 130 meters from the target. In this example a torso sized target takes up 50/130th (~38%) of the size of the Olympian. images.nbcolympics.com/www.nbcolympics.com/field_image/04March2016/160222_history.jpg For a video that explains how photographers use these effects see kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYW3iYxniMpjm8k

[@leiladekwatro3147]

You might point out that my form was so bad I literally summoned the devil and my hand dropped so bad God herself cried... ... but i still hit the same spot.

[@elmoreglidingclub3030]

Himself, it’s God Himself.

[@daedaluxe]

What is that crazy wall target?

[@Aussiejim]

Hi have you done a video on your target setup , I'm about to start making my own and trying to get as many ideas as possible , is that cardboard or carpet Thanks

[@NUSensei]

For my current setup, look up "Project Python". The target here is cardboard.

[@Aussiejim]

@@NUSensei thanks

[@IkkeKendt]

Offtopic question: at 5:53 the mans arm doesn't "throw back" at release. He just releases the string, and the arm doesn't move. Is this "wrong" or "bad"? I'm still pretty new to archery, and a couple of people have commented on my stringarm not going back. When I focus on that movement it feels like I tense up more (even though those people told me the pint of it is to relax in my arm), and my shots/groupings gets worse. My question is: is it bad form and I should do everything to change it, or is it one of those "if it works for you, then don't sweat it"-things?

[@locktockshockrock]

The arm coming back is meant to help with a consistent release. You shouldn't be opening your fingers to release the string rather you should relax your fingers and let the string slide off them. Moving your string arm backwards as you do this helps with a smooth release. Without doing it you can become prone to creeping forward as you go to release which will decrease power and create inconsistencies in your shot. That being said your hand does not have to fly backwards but it should come back at least a little bit as a result of the back tension.

[@IkkeKendt]

@@locktockshockrock i guess it comes with practice. Since I am more consistent when not focusing on that part of the release. I should film myself to see my release. Thank you for answering!

[@locktockshockrock]

@@IkkeKendt No problem and I agree don't focus on any one thing too much try to just focus on the overall feeling on the shot. If you can absolutely film yourself and if you've got proper back tension and you're releasing smoothly you will probably see your hand jump back a bit on release.

[@IkkeKendt]

@@locktockshockrock I think my hand goes back a bit. Can't remember right now since I've been too busy the last couple of weeks to shoot often enough. But what people told when they saw my shot, and I tried what they told me, it all seemed too forced and my shots were scattered all over the target.

[@locktockshockrock]

@@IkkeKendt Yeah people tend to just reiterate what they've been told without understanding why they were told to do that. Also forcing yourself to pull your hand back can ruin your release if your fingers tense up. The full motion you see Olympic archers do is more of a follow through of that small movement from the back tension. This ultimately is just a step in their shot process and doesn't really affect the shot itself.

[@virdi_glade]

I get friends that look at my bow and call me a fake archer from the sights and stabilizers. I just shrug it off and laugh at them

[@virdi_glade]

@ Gavin Thirlwall Yes, very true

[@BooDamnHoo]

What is your target backing made from? Robin Hooding is annoying, not impressive (to me). I've only done it once so far and it usually wrecks the bottom arrow.

[@thomasmcinnis12]

He's covered what the targets are made of in another video, that one looks like a bunch of layers of cardboard compressed together.

[@BooDamnHoo]

@@thomasmcinnis12 I wondered. I made one of cut down foam rubber gym tiles. Nice but hard to make big like this one.

[@dragonhuntarchery7506]

and costly!!!!

[@charlesjones1535]

@@BooDamnHoo the way I did it has worked great so far. The big chequered plastic bags with the zipper that you see around the salvos bins? I put 2 jigsaw mats in one of those, one each side, then filled the middle with scrap shrink wrap and other self healing plastics. Crammed it in tight, reinforced the seams with duct tape as I went. Hung the bag from a PVC pipe frame with removable legs for transport ( I have to shoot on a friends property) I have had to tape up the bag a few times, and I'll soon have to put the whole bag in a new bag, but it works a treat.

[@daveware4117]

Every credible archer on youtube should say the distance they are shooting at

[@eniklisnihm4565]

Totally agree ! If I did that when I was in practice I would hit my own arrows a great deal! at 29 each, so I shoot a target that has 5 bulls and put one in each. at 10 yards, It's not impressive! but it is fun, for a fundamental warm up!

[@ghoztfaze093]

thanx sensei!

[@experimenter19]

ive gotten good enough with my compound that if I don't get an X or a 5 with an arrow it's my fault, not the bow or the arrow

[@felixfontenot4824]

Driving in a straight line is easy with training wheels

[@LOFIGSD]

Good video, agree, if people want to impress at 10 meters, do it fast shooting against a moving target, especially hunters, if you cant hit a tennis ball at 10 meters, please practice more before you start throwing arrows at animals.

[@4rchim]

Tried archery yesterday for an hour hit half of em in the bulls. I feels that pros would hit like 15m with good grouping at ease. So those clips that hitting lotta bulls at 10m don't feel impressive at all. I mean I've never touch a bow in my life and like nearly half landed in that circle. I also think that 10m is just right for the circle(like increase the distance and the circle will be (super) smaller and harder to aim). I dont think that I can even hit the 6 ring if its 20m but it's a fun sport gonna watch more vids and learn about it some more.

[@sav3pav]

Spot on!

[@tmalonso]

I agree to a degree, but I also think content creators and commenters are more similar than most realize, often times commenters make comments like the ones you are highlighting because there wasn't much else to comment on in the video, a grasping at straws type of thing. Other times, praise is given for an individual archer's improvements, not as a comparison of skill with others...any comment mentioning the Olympics over a 10 meter group are probably somewhat tongue in cheek. I guess it is similar to making videos that focus on the veracity of commenter praise when you don't have any other ideas for video topics...any port in a storm, right? ;) Cheers!

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

the dunning kruger effect apparently overrules any science thought in school , the for some reason unknown to me you tube gives you automatic credibility

[@tmalonso]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 I'm not so sure viewership is an indication of perceived credibility...sometimes I see someone as far from proficient and still enjoy their content...sometimes ironically, other times it can just be fun to watch someone improve. sure some of the content creators I subscribe to certainly seem to be experts in their fields, but I often find myself learning just as much from novices as I do from experts...if not more. maybe i'm just easily amused ;)

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@tmalonso your voice dont matter unless you have a lot ofsubs according to some ,credential as instructor or self thought is apparently of no consequence as long as you get you ego, brand and cullt going

[@tmalonso]

​@@mortenjacobsen5673 people come to youtube for entertainment and information...and mostly in that order, it seems. sadly expertise is simply not enough...and its anything but a requirement for a successful channel :)

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@tmalonso then they should rename videos and specify the content and perhaps use a disclaimer

[@r390gt1lm]

is it just me not knowing things, or does the arrow release looks bad, tail end going way up

[@NUSensei]

Yes, it is disgustingly out of tune. Not unintentional - even with things not matched and calibrated, this sort of accuracy is not impressive. A quarter-inch up the string might change that grouping into the X ring.

[@r390gt1lm]

@@NUSensei I thought there was something dodgy going on, I had similar issues with my longbow when i used way too weak spine arrows, they were hitting the bow itself so hard some of them broke. Thanks for the reply though

[@wjyang77]

Thought so myself. Nock point may just be too high.

[@chiliparadiseable]

Rather too low ;) @@wjyang77

[@AmericanDeen777]

I really would love to watch u hunt lol

[@ziranwolf2696]

Where does that target come from. Thanks

[@timc4765]

I'm new to archery but I saw Lars split an arrow in half by shooting a razor blade. Yea that's impressive to me as an newbie, is there an illusion to that as well?

[@NUSensei]

Are you referring to the shot in "A New Level of Archery" where he splits an arrow against a tanto blade in the ground? If so, there is something of an illusion: he didn't successfully split the arrow. The stunt comes from Arab Archery, as stated: "You then make fore yourself full-bodied arrows with tips thicker than their steles and leave them without arrowheads. Their ends, where normally the arrowheads are fixed, should be cut straight and even without being pointed. You next take soft bow free of recurvature, fitted with a fairly thick string, and stand facing the edge of the sword squarely. If your shot be accurate, the arrow will be *split in twain* by the edge of the planted sword. " The video doesn't show what kind of arrow he used or exactly where he was standing, but one thing is certain: he did not split his arrow in two. His shot grazed the edge, which shaved off some of the shaft. Which in turn looks impressive, but at that distance and with enough takes, anyone can hit that with enough attempts. The spirit of the stunt is that an archer can be skilled enough to hit something as narrow as a sword's edge from the front, and hit it squarely so that the arrow is split in half. It's not an exceptionally hard shot to pull off, but the text amps up the challenge by stating that it can also be done on horseback at the gallop.

[@timc4765]

@@NUSensei damn I guess Lars Anderson is to archery what Dan Bilzerian is to poker. Nothing but smoke and mirrors

[@NUSensei]

@@timc4765 I wouldn't go that far. Lars is legitimately skilled and can pull off amazing stunts. What undermines the wow factor is that he doesn't do tricks on demand, so some difficult shots may have taken multiple attempts. The lack of transparency makes it less impressive to the trained eye. The bigger issue with Lars is that he embellishes particular skills as being practical or combat-related, when in fact they were either purely done for exhibition or used in very niche circumstances. He does have a tendency to blur the narrative, so I suppose there are similarities, but I don't hold Lars in that much disdain to compare him to Bilzerian. The man's done his hard work and training. It's more than what he can do doesn't substantiate what he claims.

[@The_Pickle34]

What is your target made of? And how can one make it?

[@charlesjones1535]

Looks like cardboard clamped in by a ratchet strap

[@jakeenders7]

I want to buy/build a target like this one. Any advice??

[@charlesjones1535]

This style of target is usually cardboard or foam layers held together with a ratchet strap.

[@thenicosystem8606]

This is a good video. Due to this pandemic, I was not able to learn and shoot on a real range and so have resorted to shooting in my backyard. It sucks to know that what I'm able to do is not any good, but I'm hopeful of getting better in the future.

[@foxman1546]

You didn't explain why you aim low. Is it recoil, arrow angle on the bow, the type of arrow rest, the bow draw weight?

[@NUSensei]

Arrow angle. Because you are anchoring lower than the eye line, the arrow points above horizontal. If you aim straight at the target at short distance, it will go over. You are compensating for parallax.

[@foxman1546]

@@NUSensei Thank you.

[@FirebladeXXL]

you look so much older with a beard :D

[@ofironboundflame5117]

Which bow failed the test? Is there a video of that?

[@NUSensei]

The Topoint R2 Kit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6OQp4uhp65gja8 Basically, the arrows were far too soft, and the rest malfunctioned. The arrows failed to clear the bow and went everywhere due to rear-end contact. Note that I tested the bow in a follow-up video with proper arrows and it functioned fine. The kit basically sucked if you got it at a higher draw weight, since the arrows no longer matched. It was a stark contrast with another review which praised it at 24#.

[@space.youtube]

Your arrows are porpoising badly with that bow.

[@NUSensei]

Absolutely. Untuned bow, wrong arrows, wrong nocking point, and consistent grouping at 10m. It's not skill; just pointing the thing in the right place.

[@space.youtube]

@@NUSensei Yep, sub optimal arrow flight but consistently so. If you bare shaft tuned it for spine and knock height I reckon you might really enjoy the bare bow thing.