Bond Arms Snake Eyes Derringer: Rants

These Bond Arms derringers seem highly rated. I had big doubts about them and therefor never sought one out for review. This one came to me through a family contact and he too was raving about how awesome it is (the Snake Eyes .45 Colt/.410 Shotshell version)...just like lots of online reviewers. They seem cozy with the Bond Arms company. It must be nice not being an outcast in the firearms industry!
But maybe I'm wrong about this Snake Eyes and we take it out to see how it does. Sadly it fails to impress as I had suspected. In fact it was worse! Rants to follow. Also I'll rant about the propensity for even having to kill a rattlesnake! Another fun not to be missed Nutnfancy GRV.
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TNP Patreon is where the action is! Lots more videos and action over there...never too late to join and support the workload: www.patreon.com/Nutnfancy. Also please come over to my UGETube feed, see description…we are trying to leave KZbin. Here's just some of the comments from TNP Patrons on this video that was posted by elite TNP Donors: "STOP THE WAR ON “GHOST GUNS” www.gunowners.org/na05252021/ STOP THE ATF’S PISTOL-BRACED GUN BAN www.gunowners.org/na06102021/ 2 /////////////mm80121 WE WANT MORE RANTS AND RAIL SESSIONS AND POLITICAL VIDEOS….if you please, oh and sorry for yelling I just get excited sometimes 2 2d The Nutnfancy Project COPY COPY COPY 1min Sheepdog Wow, we just had a LastSuspect sighting. Very Rare! "How about you walk around him (a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake)" Exactly. Seen many a rattlesnakes in my back country hiking and never had a need to do anything but that. 1 2d Andrey Shlyakt I loved this review, it was freaking hilarious. Also liked seeing Last Suspect I miss him on the show hope he comes back more. 1 1d CinciDan08 Respectfully, why is Last Suspect wearing a mask outdoors? Even more so when he's with a family member? 1d CinciDan08 what are you using to tag the bottom of the magazines, especially LS's rig full of P365 mags? Does it last or just long enough to get in and out of the desert? I have several similar mags... 92FS, P229, PX4 and custom floor plates are too expensive and yellowish masking tape looks crappy. 1d Clint Allison That is probably the funniest review you've ever done 🤣 Idk why but.... I still want one. I think I'm just in love with everything 45LC 🤷 1d Zachary Plocek Birds head grip is good!?!…LOL What other semi auto handguns use it? You can’t find one unless you’re flipping through a history book. What AR,AK grips use it? Literally none. I can’t say it looks bad but if I did get one I’d be a 6” barrel 357 and it better shoot my 38 wad cutter hand loads like a laser at 25. Why wouldn’t you just got with a gp100 or a 1911? Better yet spend 400 and get a vintage Smith and Wesson. 24h Andrew Hirsch Nutn's review of the gun is worth more than the gun itself LOL! BTW, I'm sure there's a video out there that says it, but what the gloves that Nutn's wearing in the video? 13h Patrick Brichta Totally off topic...But: Time to Get Political boys and girls. I'm Not sure if anyone else has shared this yet, but we need to make our voices heard. These two links will take you to the automatic forms to share your thoughts on the proposed bans through the ATF. If our forefathers could stand up to British Redcoats for our freedom, you can take 5 minutes to fill out these forms. Actually the GOA has already supplied a form letter, so you won't even need to wrack your noggins too hard for what to say. Time to act is now, not after a ban takes place. h david rockwell Fill out some information, enter your name and send some ducats to the GOA. Thank you for posting the links. Get involved; next time they come for you. 7h Wayne H I always handled cougars by laying on my back....and keeping a good supply of wine....(when I was much younger, don't "Judge" me.) (They really seemed to like snakes.) My second cool derringer would be in 38 spl rated to +P. Goes to backpack flight or fight backup, and crossover ammo from my other gear..Chris Hibler Speaking of men killing things...It sounds like you look back on bullfrog target practice much differently now. Good for you. Yep...those derringers suck. The worst part imho is being hard to grip and cock with one hand. 2 3d Tacticaldoodle Kinda, but it does depend on the area. If you see some of those places at night, with a hundred plus big fat three pound frogs, then you feel less bad about culling a couple here or there. They do help with the bugs though... 2 3d soldier saint The next gun is the Tarantula slayer 2 3d Nancy Merrell-Robertson It's pretty, so I would display it. But I don't really enjoy shooting any non-semiauto pistol. 3d Guy Actual 1:48 in.... THATS LAST SUSPECT!!!!!! OMG!!! 3d Guy Actual 5:25 ... People hunt mountain lions? Why do I feel that be kinda messed up? 3d Load 9 replies Bravo I gotta know what watch last suspect was wearing early in the vid was it a gravity master? I just realized I need one of those! 3d The Nutnfancy Project Yes it was, great eyes...that's the gray one I think with my yellow hands mod on it...really xlnt watches. 1min Joshua Pulliam Ok Nutn, I have to let my BS in Conservation and Wildlife Management out and correct you. Because I just can't let it go. . . . And it is a rant! Snakes are not poisonous! They are venomous! I totally agree with you on this gun. I would never buy one. In fact I'm pretty much out on anything with limited rounds capacity like this. Thank you for all your hard work keeping us entertained! 3d Guy Actual I can understand the BS. It gets to me sometimes when people use "Good" when they should use "Well". Both my mother and my grandmother were English teachers and speech pathologist, and their wording OCD was passed down. Somehow they were punished with me... A dyslexic and disgraphic child. lol 1 3d Load reply Robert Avery Completely random request, but could consider doing a review of your truck? I know you've had it for a good amount of time. Any interest in getting a new one any time soon? 2 3d Guy Actual I second this 2 3d The Nutnfancy Project Copy guys I will do it. I am not planning on getting another one....I love my 2011 Titan! 2min Scott Reichard Joshua i covered the poison / venom issue. It is another of the many things that just makes me crazy. If you spend any time around a courthouse guns just constantly go off by themselves. And the folks that are too stupid to be around firearms and assume that that happens to everyone.. no it does not. Its not an accidential discharge when you were too stupid to check and handle the gun correctly. Most of the news idiots finally stopped saying drunk driving accident.. when you drink 2 liters of booze and drive 110 mph and run a red light and hit a family its no accident.. its just a crash. So now i had a rant of my own..."

[@makevelicustoms]

We need a WROL top pics vid Sir 👍🏻

[@micahv9365]

TLDR

[@jamesstephenson2346]

Im a patreon member, and still watch the youtube stuff only, lol. I donate the money because i support the project. Keep on doing it my man

[@MrDoverfield]

No cougars in California???? What? Just ask Doodle. He probably gets constantly attacked by cougars there.

[@dropgun2574]

Can you start a subscribe star? I’ll happily donate through there and they are 2A supportive versus patreon who are anti 2A

[@showtime2629]

Cougar defense is best practiced at bars

[@Bo_Spurlock]

Best comment ever. So damn true. That's what I thought he was talking about at first.

[@aaron.from.winchester6744]

😂😆🤣. That really is a good one.

[@ChaohsiangChen]

Sorry, can somebody expain tgis to me?

[@Bo_Spurlock]

@@ChaohsiangChen serious?? Cougar is a name people call older woman

[@colt45peacemaker]

I like Cougars

[@jeeplife2035]

I actually LOVE my 410/45LC derringer. As a person who stays on the boat and in the swamps this gun has taken out many snakes and even a few squirrels. If a gun performs when you pull the trigger and you work with it then it’s a great gun. I keep mine on me always while out in the boat and swamp. Love it!

[@panchopistola8298]

Lol I know he just likes to hear himself talk . It has its place . Some of use like to be incognito… he obviously has never lived in a place where there are copperheads . Also it’s harder to hit a snake with regular picker rounds . I’ve watched this guy before . I’m sure he is a lot fun to be around at family gatherings ; there is a reason his brother in law doesn’t watch his videos 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeeplife2035]

@@panchopistola8298 lmao absolutely 😁👍

[@evocati6523]

I like Nutn but when he comes across something HE doesn't have a use for he thinks it's dumb for anyone. These are perfect for people who live where snakes prefer to fight than retreat and you only have a second to decide which one it's going to choose that day. You don't need more than 2 rounds when it's just a few feet away

[@MajimaGoro8]

@@panchopistola8298 The problem I have with it is that it is looked at as a viable option for CCW against an attacker(s), whether it is a backup or even a primary. I owned a Bond Arms and I will admit that I liked the design and the level of quality. However, there are much better primary or backup options than this derringer. Just my .02 cents

[@panchopistola8298]

@@MajimaGoro8 I mean that in someone’s pocket is still better then a sig or glock left at home cause it was to conspicuy

[@chadwizick]

I tend to disagree, hunting cougars is my favorite thing. And afterwards if you do a good job they have juice boxes and fruit snacks to take home!

[@bacon81]

Lmao 🤣👌🏽

[@davidw835]

Lol.

[@22640cal]

This guy gets it lol

[@calholli]

Cougars around my neck of the woods usually won't bite you, but they do get slobber all over you.

[@bjbarlow]

well played Chad.

[@Chiajidamoo]

I like my Bond Arms Grizzly. Everyone else hates it, but I find it cool. Is it good for defense? No, is it good for snakes? Maybe, but as you said, snakes not problem. Is it good for hunting? No. But... God help the person who tries to cheat me in cards.

[@joemnkyman]

It's funny, I hadn't thought about this gun in 5 years. this review made me remember all the fun I had shooting it, and how much I enjoyed the "second cool" factor. They are cool for the build quality and aesthetics. On the same token I have owned and thoroughly enjoyed the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor as well. I have no misconceptions of the ballistic validity of 410 gauge out of a handgun, but they are still fun to own. Thanks for the revitalized interest Nutn!

[@cutlerylover]

20:47 "Its the dumbest gun ever..." Me looking down at my Zip22 thinking YES!!!!! I dont own the very dumbest gun ever...hahahahah

[@lenholt7419]

Like the saying... You're not the dumbest person in the world, but when he dies...

[@cutlerylover]

@@lenholt7419 lol, not too bad of an insult since they probably wont get it anyway...

[@social3ngin33rin]

omg it's cutlery!!!! :O

[@cutlerylover]

@@social3ngin33rin Hey :)

[@cutter4597]

Works great. With 410 critical defense Hornaday.

[@bacon81]

I love you Nutn. Been a Patron for a while. I mostly agree with everything you say. But you say Cougar attacks are so rare that you should not bother preparing for it. You are a major proponent of concealed carry for self defense. You sound like the people that say that the possibility of you becoming a victim of a crime is so low that the fact that people conceal carry is being over zealous and paranoid. Just a little perspective. Love you man! ❤️

[@jameswheat4225]

Good point and insight

[@NSav10137]

Yup. 100%

[@davidw835]

Yah this was my thought. Always carry because you can’t count on when or by what you get attacked. Don’t denigrate the threat. You’re listening to too many tree huggers in your threat intel scans. They are getting to you nut’n!!

[@Alex-w3t6r]

Exactly. He also just spent 45 minutes sh*tting on a guy who just bought a cool gun and doesnt care about all the aspy details about a few more micrograms Edit: also killing snakes is valid if they are on your property and you have kids or dogs or something

[@jonathanschubert9052]

You know Nutn carries and supports carrying. I think he was primarily mocking the concept that the Bond Arms is "ideal" and if someone actually cared or worried about about cougar attacks in any meaningful capacity would carry something else.

[@lonewanderer3603]

If I feel the need for trail defense, I got a 10mm XDM for the same price as this.

[@gallagherw3]

Literally the exact gun I think of when I feel the need to get something to cover that base

[@chriskelly509]

Way better choice

[@jeremywatson9129]

If the choice is those two, then it's no choice at all.

[@j.v.7451]

Right? I got a ria 10mm 2011 for the same reason. 17 rounds of 10mm should take care of anything in North America i think.

[@ctsmith9225]

I got my xdm 45 for just $630 13 rnds of 45 flush mag

[@Glasgow1270]

We got some big ol cougars in the bars where I live. They’re definitely hard to fight off at times!!

[@calholli]

Cougars around my neck of the woods usually won't bite you, but they do get slobber all over you.

[@bjbarlow]

who's fighting them off really? Fun to be a victim sometimes lol

[@ryanthomas2374]

When a cougar attacks just do like its a bear, lay down, take it, and hope to god you can survive.

[@thejayvodlexperience7856]

😂 🤣

[@kyrozudesoya1829]

Me and my friend shot someone's .45 ACP Double Tapp one time about 5 years ago. My friend had to use one hand to drive home that evening. And he was in the Marine Corps during the 2nd Gulf War. And I couldn't squeeze a damn bottle for like three days after shooting two shots. The guy that owned it was Marine Recon in Vietnam. He said, "It'll hurt me but it's gonna kill you."

[@3ckell3]

I got my concealed permit in 2018 after two people in my area where killed by a cougar in a month. Another dude had his skull crushed by a cougars jaws but lived. Shit happens. The worst thing is when people say nope...you will never even see a cougar. I was stalked by a wolf a couple years ago. It was hard in the split second of turning around and seeing it to determine what was happening as so many people told me what I was experiencing can’t happen

[@Sensorium19]

What region, just for my information. TY

[@Porty1119]

I saw one within two months of moving out west. Encountering one is more common than commonly thought.

[@ViktoriousDead]

I’m sure

[@singlechristiancowboy]

It never happens.....til it does. The very logic of fire extinguishers, first aid kits, epi pens and firearms.

[@Edwardmodos]

"Dog makes a fine meal" - Mel Gibson

[@noobart443]

Preacher "Dog!?!?" Fantastic movie!

[@HumbertoSqualavarez42069]

Eat the dogs!? Lol

[@MichaelF1]

Always the lulz at TNP

[@TopHatxxl]

Can't agree with this! They are fun and cool. Hold with one hand, not room for a two hand grip, and why would you try to hold something so small with two hands? Made for one hand, close, quick shooting. POU: just fun!!

[@bdh3949]

So Allie was just another dog?

[@ryanthomas2374]

You generalized his statement with no context. he basically said that its not the cougars fault that it hunts and happens to come around your animal. its YOUR responsibility as a owner to keep your animal close and protect it. Most stories of wild animals getting pets is owners that are bad owners and if they really cared about there animal they would have a done a better job to at prevention of a run in with wildlife.

[@FoulMouthActual]

Yeah... way to throw cats and dogs under the bus.

[@clangerbasher]

Bond should make a break open revolver in something like .38spl It would be glorious.

[@Sensorium19]

Something like the Anderson Wheeler Mark VII, but doesn't cost as much as a new truck.

[@clangerbasher]

@@Sensorium19 Exactly! They have the pivot, lock, and floated pin sorted. There must be a 'design' they copy from. And I think for many as I said .38 spl would be enough for a start.

[@clangerbasher]

@@Sensorium19 I will add as a Brit it annoys the heck out of me that they dare build a revolver considering the rest of us can't really own proper handguns! :)

[@Sensorium19]

@@clangerbasher Modern 38 is just fine. And Yes, the irony of the country that gave the world the Webley not allowing you to own one is pretty acrid.

[@clangerbasher]

@@Sensorium19 My thinking is there is no need to stress a frame more than is needed. It does rankle not being able to own handguns. They are so much more interesting that rifles. I would rather spend money shooting a pistol badly than a rifle better than averagely. :)

[@almostontimehero5415]

"Buy another poodle" From the guy that cried his eyes out and made a video on his dog. Lmao

[@dlind24]

hypocrisy. lol Seriously cried his eyes out over a black lab. I hear those things are a dime a dozen.

[@nitemare5030]

I mean I get being sad about a loss of your best friend a dog a family member. But then to say buy another poodle is hypocritical

[@mitchschutter4302]

Yeah seriously

[@calholli]

But he got another dog... how is this hypocrisy? lol

[@calholli]

@@rottingravensblood9106 He would definitely shoot it if it was right there... But I think his point was, he wouldn't storm into the woods to hunt it down. I probably wouldn't either-- but I don't have a dog, so what do I know,

[@TheDesertRoseRanch]

If you've got time to load up a shot shell for a snake, you had plenty of time to get away from it. LOL.

[@calholli]

The idea is that you would already have it loaded... You just gotta make sure that your draw is faster than they snake can strike. Takes a little practice.

[@PBVader]

Plus, rattlers and water moccasins are a real concern when on property with your kids.

[@realfnneato3111]

@@PBVader doing what lol, dont step on them

[@PBVader]

@@realfnneato3111 Trying to regulate their body heat, i.e. stay warm with your body, dead or alive. Just like a woman. You've never had a snake crawl into your house, or into your car, or into your little Jon boat while you were fishing. It's either you(yours) or him. Stop your crap, and live in the real world, where snakes will crawl into your nap sack, cuddle, give you a kiss goodnight and bite you when you wonder why.

[@realfnneato3111]

@@PBVader I live in the north part of idaho where it gets pretty cold for rattlers. still, if it's been a problem for you then I cant say you arent having problems with them. Ever seen those dog heat pads? Maybe try putting those away from your house with an extension cord or something similar to draw them away from your houses heat? Just trying to help

[@danrunner84]

I have a derringer: it’s called a 6+1 LCP.

[@Hoglow101]

imagine firing .45 colt or 10mm out of that. lol

[@mikeprice8307]

I have an unused LCP I purchased 12 years ago.

[@daleweaver1705]

​@Hoglow101 I just bought the 357/38 in 2 1/2 inch barrel and am buying a 10 mm in 4 and a 1/4 barrel but I'm also used to shooting my 460 so this gun should be a cake walk

[@Anamericanhomestead]

OMGOSH! first time thumbs down a Nutn video. I mean first time ever! Mountain lions are in the Ozarks and let's see how you feel the first time a $2000 cow and her birthing calf get "munched". You see a cougar or yote out in the Ozarks, you shoot till slide lock. But I agree, I'd never carry that gun.

[@Porty1119]

Nutn isn't a rancher or a miner and it shows. All my rancher friends have killed mountain lions and I've killed a rattlesnake underground in a gold mine in New Mexico. 00 buck out of an 18" barrel in a confined space is...concussive.

[@mitchschutter4302]

Yeah I stopped watching after about 13 minutes. I'd bet his tone would change if Macy had to be the sacrifice to a cougar. Whenever people start talking about, "Well you're in HIS habitat, blah blah." "We're invading THEIR world," I just go, "Okay. You're an animal rights kook."

[@floridaman6138]

I get it, but they're just doing what they have to do. Survival is a take what you can get when you can get it kinda thing.

[@lastfreeamericanrob]

I have a Ranger ll model. My son has a shorter model. Both are .45LC/410 . Each has a different style grip. The point of a derringer is a close range gun. Its not a target gun. Also, practicing with these guns is key to getting comfortable in shooting them. As far as animals go, animals Do attack. Rattlers do strike, and if you have little children around, a dead rattler is absolutely no threat. Accuracy is not a attribute of derringers, its a close range gun. My son and i love our bond arms guns!

[@MI_Prepper]

The worst real story cougar attack story was Rick Perry former Governor of Texas, and former Secretary of Energy was out running and a Cougar attacked his Labrador that was running with him. Rick Perry killed it with a .380. Love ya TNP, but you would not let your lab go with an "oh well labs grow on trees" if a Cougar attacked it, be honest bro.

[@ryanconnelly4015]

It was a coyote, not a cougar.

[@MI_Prepper]

@@ryanconnelly4015 Yup you are right! I misremembered it. But Cougars are capable of the same kind of attacks of course.

[@johnwaters8640]

He put forward a specific circumstance, of a dog roaming in the woods on it's own. If you let your dog do that in an area where cougars live, you don't care about your dogs anyways. Train your animals, keep them safe and with you, and then you can defend it, and yourself, but going after revenge against an animal when you allowed it to eat your animal by not training it, is stupid.

[@kyletosh5914]

Same dude that cries about Allie passing and how much work he put in and how it is like losing a family member. “Just go buy another poodle.” “Dog should’ve put up a better fight.” Ok Nutn. Don’t disagree with either side. But enjoy having your cake and eating it too.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Yea, that little nature worship rant was pretty ghey on his end.

[@lorddalron3816]

Imagine if your black lab got snatched up by a cougar

[@thedon7528]

>Snake shot >Derringer Why would someone ever subject themselves to such an atrocity??? I work at a gun shop and I’m always confused why people want those types of guns for self defense over other really great CCW options on the market in the same price point or even cheaper

[@Enough_Tumbleweed]

Especially in 2021 when micro pistols pack 11-15 rounds of 9mm. People are just fk'ing dumb is all it is.

[@dread7684]

my fren, you're using le meme arrows on youtube comments

[@skyhop]

They're a special snowflake.

[@Cacklingkameltoe]

Some people collect for various reasons. I have my fill of "practical" guns, so I like a silly purchase everyone and then. I have the bond arms "Texan" model. I'm a Texan BTW. I'll carry it above my ankle inside of my ostrich boots just because I can. The workmanship on these pistols is fantastic.

[@joemnkyman]

Defense, no Fun factor, yes!

[@DixieLiving]

WHAT??? If you were my brother in law and I was buying a gun (or knives or watches or...) my FIRST call would be to you.

[@TopHatxxl]

Right?! That fella is hard to beleive!! Does he even think?

[@dccmadams44]

This was an entertaining video! I did buy this in 9mm at half the cost of the snake slayer. I added a 45 acp barrel and rosewood grips. I did buy it just because, as I have many dozens of other firearms. When I handed it to a friend, his first comment was "I feel like I should hit someone with it." I cock it and shoot it one handed. I don't bother using the sights. Just point and shoot. I can hit minute of man very easily at 10 feet, even blindfolded! I had to remove the trigger guard to have any chance of using this thing. It is a cool conversation piece that nobody I know, would buy. I won't sell it because I no longer sell guns in this political market. I think of this thing as a better WWII era 45acp liberator. Thanks for the video!

[@rtaylor1105]

deringer? ammo that scarce? put a rock in each hand...you now have the equivalent of a deringer. pro tip - rock is more reliable and acurate

[@jllucci]

No it kinda makes sense... If you're going to use it on yourself. Last ditch no going to be taken alive.

[@DanielBoone337]

LMFAO that's funny and sadly it's true...

[@jtlegionnaire6310]

Why is last suspect wearing a mask in the middle of the Utah desert lol

[@jpettit27]

‘Rona

[@johnwaters8640]

He doesn't like to be on camera.

[@Dutch.1722]

Usually they can approach from behind. I don't worry much about them any more as I steer clear of bars and bowling leagues these days.

[@mfallen2023]

I don't really like the argument of "the chances of x happening are so low that it's a waste of time to be prepared for it". The chances you'll ever need to use your carry weapon are exceedingly low as well, so are you suddenly against carrying for self-defense? Sure, the chances of getting into a scrape with a cougar/bear/etc are low, but it happens... I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Though a derringer would not be the "it" in the scenario, lol.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

You kinda proved his point. His arguement seemed to me to be "why buy a " specialty" but arguably worse in every way Cougar/snake/bear peice when your conventional carry is better in every way". Heavy, low capacity, poor sights, poor ergos, seconds to extract/reload, anemic cartridge further neutered by a short barrel, pricy....

[@ciscohernandez3228]

Yeah I don't dig the whole killing everything. If the threat doesn't back off, then I guess I'm going home with some meat. But yeah, a Derringer wouldn't be my first choice.

[@calholli]

I'm to the point where I couldn't even carry a revolver these days. I might as well bring a katana instead.

[@mikeg4247]

I can see you popping away at a rat with your 9mm, kinda hard on the back drop, there goes a 2 x 4. lGuess you never had rat problems, never had chickens, never had livestock. Typical city dwellers, they have rats but hope someone else will solve the problem.

[@robertpatter5509]

A Glock 20 or even a G29SF in 10mm would do quite well for cougar. They aren't that tough. Their hide isn't at least. You might even do a .40sw in hard cast loads or a .38 spcl 158gr SWCHP+P .

[@Ijusthopeitsquick]

Looks like a Snake Slayer 4, hence the weight of 23.5 oz. It's right there in the brochure.

[@panchopistola8298]

Yep. They are good for that . It doesn’t have to be super powerful . He is just running his mouth

[@FMDad-dm5qo]

Yep, he had his facts wrong on that too. Sloppy, shtick-heavy review. Not his best.

[@richardvalliere1421]

It didn't 'look' like the Snake Slayer IV, it was the Snake Slayer IV, 4 1/4 inch barrel. Crying out loud, could even see it stamped on the barrel a couple times when he flipped it over. Even though he is funny, I wonder about him not knowing what gun he is reviewing. And dressing up full-tilt tactical every review? That is #1 cool. Guess he doesn't like 'second cool'. Still fun to watch. And the comments are as good as the video!

[@FishnMusician]

I'm pretty happy with mine.. The small roughneck model in 38/357. Just for a tacklebox gun, with shotshells. Not good when a snake tries to come in the boat at night. No big cats here in SC, but plenty of snakes. G21 for anything bigger.

[@stuartowens3506]

I’m with ya on the “Hunting Cougar” thing. I’m a Utah hunter. I love hunting. But I cannot reconcile killing an animal that I have no intention of eating. This ideology has caused more than a few family members to stop talking to me. Oh well. I have seen a cougar while hunting on two separate occasions and whether I took a deer or elk that trip or not, my hunt was made awesome by the sighting. They are amazing creatures. I also agree that carrying a reliable 9mm for “hiking defense” is plenty.

[@davidkolb1942]

One thing you can’t argue is they are very well made!!!

[@wamps0127]

I have one of these. Quality workmanship-period. Everything you say is true. Trigger sucks; you gotta pull down on the trigger. Gun introduces flinch. I love it for the 'old West' nostalgia. NEVER would I carry it for a primary. It's seldom a backup or even a backup to a backup. But I love the quality and fun quotient. I took the trigger guard off and that does help a bit with the slap you get in the video. But the COOL factor is there and I like showing it off to friends/family. If anyone expresses an interest in purchasing one I immediately caution them to make them aware of it's shortcomings.

[@welderdude1]

The unnecessary killing of wildlife is very annoying. I agree with your stance on it. Tread lightly.

[@mikeg4247]

The killing of humans however is expected by The Colonel. Cornpop was a bad dude. Where is his rusty razor?

[@servicerifle16]

"Crappy sights" It's a derringer dude.

[@calholli]

I never knew they had sights.

[@floridaman6138]

I loved the teeny tiny sights on my 950 Jetfire though. Allowed for more precision.

[@deanmason5900]

It's a ten feet gun,then it's a knife fight.

[@usa-1129]

Seriously, It's the kind of close quarters last possible second gun you bury into a stomach and squeeze the trigger until it's empty 🤣

[@calholli]

@@usa-1129 "until it's empty" -- so twice. lol.. This thing is a joke and I wouldn't buy it even if it was only $120.

[@jerry7663]

Nutn Fancy's whispering parts are starting to sound like Ryan Reynold's Deadpool.

[@ScentitarFragrance]

600 bucks ??? I know alot of people who want a compact snake gun, but they want it cheap. For 600, it should have a excellent trigger and better sights.

[@donatedpants420]

and a magazine, and a flashlight, and a red dot

[@Andyhaucqog1]

Exactly I might as well get a taurus judge or a north american arms .22 for a snake gun at a more budget friendly price

[@mikeprice8307]

They have a $300 model .410 named Rowdy

[@blackhawk65589]

Take a shot everytime Nutn says Cougar

[@calanon534]

Do that and you may go home with one.

[@WMDTVIDS]

Several years ago, i owned, carried and shot a Bond Arms derringer- alot. In two years of carry i shot about 1500-2K of my upper mid range 45ACP reloads, and some 44 SPL, as i had both barrels. I wrote all this up in Backwoodsman 10 or so years ago. You CAN shoot it accurately, it will do some practical things, and you will not wear it out. But when it comes down to it, ANY J frame is lighter, holds more rounds, is easier and faster to shoot and reload, and carries less like a brick. This wore the back pockets of several pairs of carharts for me. You CAN pot small game with it, as I did, but you will need to work on the sights and trigger a good bit. And once you are done, you have a 24OZ 2 shot gun. I had alot of fun with mine, but sold it to fund another purchase. 45ACP was my first choice, as i have no truck with the shotgun chamberings. The Bond arms basically ended my quest for a practical "pocket gun". Oh, ive used the CCI 45 ACP shotshells in my Glock 21 for squirrel erad at camp back in the day. They cycled the glock fine, to my amazement. I'm surprised the 9mm version did not cycle. Perhaps they changed the load?

[@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape]

I've never defended my self from cougar attacks, I was attacked many times at last call when I was younger.

[@HeritageCast]

#ApplebeesSurvivorsUnite

[@thomasjohnson6808]

When I was in my 30s and 40s and going clubbing, I had to defend myself against many an aggressive cougar.

[@usMarinecuv902]

I clicked so fast because I want one of the roughneck/rowdy in .410/45lc. Just because I think they're cool and I want one just as a range/woods toy ha. Not every gun has such a serious and detrimental purpose

[@ruggedmeetsrefined5345]

Mountain lion tries to take my dog, and that mountain lion is going to the taxidermist.

[@milescivis1018]

“Hey I think I see a coyote off about 400yds, hold on I’m gonna blow its head off!” Not if I get him first buddy!!

[@TKO593]

Kill one and two replace it.

[@milescivis1018]

@@TKO593 that’s why you shoot both.

[@TKO593]

@@milescivis1018 Won’t work. When you kill one the females of the pack have larger litters of pups.

[@milescivis1018]

@@TKO593 I think I follow your logic. If you see a pack of coyotes just let them be. Even if they are killing your chickens, dogs, etc. Because why? The females will have bigger litters. What happens if you kill the females? How many litters do they have after that?

[@TKO593]

@@milescivis1018 If coyotes are on your property then is fair game same with venomous snakes. I have another comment on this video explaining just that. There is ethical hunting and unethical hunting. Coyotes have been successfully spreading across this country like wild fire despite hunting them even with extreme prejudice towards females. Often the pack is spread out over a larger territory and the female only needs to have one of the pack go missing from roll call. Physically the female will change to birth a lager litter.

[@JeffroTull1977]

"I don't need a 45 Colt to kill a cougar. A cougar's not gonna attack me. A freakin' snake is not gonna come out from the damn swamp and rip my lips off. Yeah, I'm not gonna have my car jacked, and if I did, I'd probably want somethin' else. It's just gonna gnaw at ya." LMAO

[@cuttheknot4781]

Why was Last Suspect wearing a mask? And was not at the table-top review? Is he a public figure in his job? We miss him.

[@leroym6762]

I was thinking the same thing about the mask. The last time that I saw Suspect he had a bone sticking out his leg from a motorcycle crash.

[@johnwaters8640]

He never really enjoyed being on camera. He might just want his privacy.

[@TangoOne]

I live in the Eastern Sierras and I come across plenty of snakes, including rattlers. They have all been avoidable and the rattle snakes give you plenty of fair warning. The only thing I am truly worried about when hiking is mountain lions and black bear, and a two shot pistol is the last thing I would want.

[@jax2158]

No the last thing you would want is to...not have a gun.

[@jeffreyarnold2929]

Loved this review. Hilarious 😂. I do own and carry it often with the driving holster. I bought it because I liked it and better than the other Derringer style guns out there. It's a cool gun and fun to shoot.

[@jeffreyarnold2929]

@Nutnfancy I think you have scammers on your page.

[@mattc5647]

I agree with your cougar rant. Hate people hunting them. One takes one of their livestock and they go out and slaughter them. Disgusting.

[@paddymcgill3974]

livestock is super expensive . People live off their animals

[@9mmpeter255]

I saw a badge cam vid where the perp was literally 3 yards from the officer, pointed his gun point blank and let off 2 shots, missing the officer. He had a judge. The 410 he was using expanded so much that all the pellets went around his target. Then the cop let him have it. I guess those short barrels aren't ideal for shotgun use.

[@nutnfancy]

Good input, thanks for that info...sounds about right.

[@cayman9873]

Aaron.. at 9 feet even from a short barrel the spread of a 410 would not miss an officer 2.5 feet high by 2 foot wide target area. You can do your own testing , but that makes no sense to me at all. I simply dont believe that spread. Its possible to miss a target 9 feet away, but you can do that with a 308 rifle or 10/22 rifle as well. I have been in court more than a dozen times with milwaukee police reading about multiple police and suspects shooting 30 or more shots in a 12 foot by 12 foot room with nobody hit. Thats just stress and poor abilty.

[@BladePressure]

@@cayman9873 yep. Wasn’t the spread.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@cayman9873 far more likely that the officer had armor on and the perp used some stupid load that basically bounced off.

[@Robert-qm7yi]

Wasn't the spread or anything, he just flat missed. Happens all the time, doesn't say anything about the gun even though it is stupid

[@FMDad-dm5qo]

The anti-snake role isn’t primarily for hikers, dude, it’s for bumming around your rural property and keeping snakes from hurting your domestic animals or kids. Simple. Notice how that deflates a fair chunk of this “rant.” Mind you, I’m a suburbanite, and I have zero use for one of these gadgets, for many of the reasons you provide. But there are plenty of guys out in the country who keep a .410 Bond or (yes) Taurus Judge for this purpose. I see no reason to diss it. There’s also the truck console anti-carjacker role, maybe loaded with middle sized shot like BBs or 4 buck. Again, not my approach but I get it. Constructive criticism: negative reviews have traditionally been some of the strongest Nutnfancy reviews, but ever since you got self-conscious about it (“Rant! Rant!”), they’ve become more cringey and less on point.

[@roberthahn3710]

It’s a range TOY. I like them to play with. For field use a Glock 20 or even a snub .357.

[@bigeyetuna6228]

Exactly, G20 with Underwood flat nose 230grn

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Last Suspect wearing a mask outdoors??? Why?? The trees don’t have COVID. Neither does the grass or weeds.

[@unicaller1]

I like my Bond arms totally second cool for me. I am laughing my ass off at this review. I don't disagree with much of what you are saying. You really missed out not shooting some 000 Buck!

[@dsanchez9703]

Bro, love ur Channel surprised u dont have atleast 3 million subs. Its coming dou hardwork pays off

[@JudsonRadio]

So I've had one of these for several years. The smaller, lighter "Cowboy Defender", and it was only $450 at the time. I will definitely say that a lot of your complaints are warranted. It is a super chunky gun for its size, but on the other hand, the small version does conceal easily and can readily pocket carry. I think it has it's place and serves a certain function, but if I'm honest with myself, the appeal when I bought it was definitely skewed more towards Second Cool. Bottom line is, it's a fun little gun with a VERY limited POU, but it's almost never my go to for defense or treks through the woods these days as I've upgraded to more practical options.

[@somethingsmith3242]

This is my view perfectly stated by this gentleman. Bottom line for me, it’s not the perfect gun for really any situation, but two rounds of some badass round is better than nothing when the pooh hits the fan. It looks like Nutn is purposely leaving out the ONE main point for this weapon, UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL USE; and by that I mean inside of ten feet or even less. Stop and think about that for a moment, would anyone want to be shot with pretty much any big bore round at any distance much less so close you can feel the percussion from the barrel, my guess is a resounding NO. So, rant on Nutn, but there are those of us who, like you don’t want to kill everything and we will walk around a snake in the woods, but we like the Bond Arms derringers and do carry them as backups to our main carry guns. Have watched and liked the channel for years and will continue to do so, but on this one I’m in the like camp. ; )

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

Who NEEDS to shoot a snake anyhow? Back off and walk around it.

[@deathtopeta]

Shouldn't a wedding band be sufficient defense against cougars?

[@jakerogers6562]

No, more like cougar bait. I wear my band all day while working in customers homes. You wouldn't believe how many lonely, single women are out there from 21-40+ YO.

[@avalon449]

I was in a bar last night being attacked by cougars.

[@MrHappy4870]

Nutn, you really need to stop sugar coating your reviews. LOL

[@ralphcarroll5090]

From the Bond Arms website, they say to aid in trigger pull do the following: "Pull the trigger back and downward". I own a Bond Arms Roughneck in .357/.38 with the so called current production upgraded trigger. Back and downward sort of helps with trigger pull on a Bond Arms. Normal rearward trigger press used on all other guns just doesn't work on a Bond Arms Derringer. My Bond Arms derringer sets in my cabinet. Trigger pull is great setting unloaded in my gun cabinet. I carry a S&W Air weight J-frame in .38 special.

[@mikeprice8307]

So it's THAT bad?

[@07thunderhawk]

"I like cougars"- Nutnfancy 2021

[@TrentFalkenrath]

My aunt bought one of these. She said she didn't want "one of those square guns like the police use." So, she's browsing the gun case at Cabela's and one of these dumb derringer catches her eye. "It looks nice and shiny..." Yeah, the guy at the counter talked her in to buying this derringer chambered for 410/45 colt... I could tell she was proud of this silly thing, but I had to carefully, slowly explain that a gun isn't a damn fashion accessory. Like, c'mon Aunt Sally, what were ya thinking? "Oh, I wanted something powerful enough to pierce a car windshield incase I get attacked when I'm driving." What, ya couldn't do that with a better gun? Good thing she didn't need to use it at any point. She didn't even understand how single action guns work... I talked her into returning it and she ended up getting a Ruger LCR in 38 special.

[@juliuscaesar3000]

I agree with your point of view, but are you going to stand there if your mountain dog is ma used while you're hiking?

[@rivitman]

In Washington State, since cougar hunting with dogs was eliminated, cougar have overpopulated and the Deer and elk populations on the east side have been wrecked. Livestock and domestic animals are targeted because they no longer fear humans. They are now being seen more and more in residential neighborhoods, yes, killing house pets. Therefore, they require proper management like any other big game animal. Sorry nutn'. They aren't zoo animals that exist simply for your viewing pleasure. The same goes for Wolf re-intoduction, particularly in Washington where the reintroduced species it over twice the size of the extinct species, that kill not only for food, but for sport, requiring WDFW to shoot whole packs from helicopters. Coyotes? They overpopulate as well if not controlled. They take out fawns as they are born. Sorry to hear you are such a zoophile that you consider proper and beneficial wildlife management a near crime.

[@halgwin]

We Would love to send you some Ammo for the channel. Callaway Ballistics. God Bless

[@eyeofth3b3hold3r]

I accept your offer

[@robertpatter5509]

Everyone accepts your offer. Particularly in 10mm JHP loads.

[@halgwin]

@@robertpatter5509 LOL I wish my friends. We do have good prices though.

[@JoseFlores-pm7qg]

I'd smoke 100 cougars to save the life of one human. I'd smoke ANY animal to save the life of one human. Straight up.

[@bmw535igangsta]

💯 agree on cougar rant

[@Oldsquaw17776]

come for a gun review stay for a 15 minute rant about cougars

[@davidw835]

Because of your review and some others (Paul Harrel), I avoided the biggest gun mistake in my early gun acquisition lifestyle-- buying a judge. I had to get past fuds shilling for Taurus and S&W (the governor) and finally found some common sense. “If you have to have “snake shot” buy the cci shot shells.” Best advice ever. I went with a 357 mag revolver because of the cycling issues in auto loaders- 7 shot which is plenty for cougar and bear in the lower 48, and for piece of mind I carry two rounds of shot shell for rattlers. But as you said, just walk away if you see a snake…. It’s just for piece of mind. But the 357 mag blows away the 45 long colt and at 5 yards and out of a pistol there’s no difference between between 38 spc shot shell and 410 shot shell- both equally suck. Lol. I view the derringer as even worse than the judge although is it lighter? Either way glad I just got a regular revolver, thanks Nutn!!

[@evocati6523]

If you think 357 is a more powerful round than 45 Colt you still have a lot of learning to do. You must be comparing the cowboy or range loads which are lawyer rounds so you don't blow up your 100 year old revolver that was made for black powder rounds. When you compare hot 357 to hot 45 Colt there is no comparison. The hotter 45 Colt is touching low end 45-70 stuff

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@evocati6523 Yep. Just a casual glance at Buffalo Bore options for 45 Colt, the energy ratings range from 1100 to 1300 ft-lbs energy. The best the .357magnum can manage from a 4 to 6" barrel is about 750-800 ft-lb at the very top of its capability. 20" rifle, that's a whole difference conversation. The .45Colt is held in low pressure creampuff status due to old iron from the early 1900's that is still chambered for it. It's liability. You have to go to the small companies known for power to get actual 45 Colt performance. In fact, the original 45 Colt load back in the 1800's when the cartridge was first developed was 255gr doing 1050 fps (624 ft-lb). The military backed it down for more manageable function, as it was "too much recoil" for the average soldier. Regardless. I've developed moderate loads in 45 Colt and even at 250gr doing 880-900 fps, it's no joke. It'll whack something harder than most people give it credit for. And it's only just getting started. Need power? 454 Casull. It's about as strong at 100 yards as the average 44 magnum is at the muzzle.

[@damienmidanik9680]

I have 2 bond arms derringers. One is 410/45 and the other is 357/38. I absolutely love them. I can’t dispute anything said in this review as it is all true. I didn’t buy my derringers with any intention of using them for any kind of protection though. I bought them because they are very well built, look cool, and make excellent conversion pieces. They throw huge fireballs and are loud as hell! There is no way I would consider one for any practical use what so ever but I can’t say I’m unhappy with them. If you are looking for something to defend yourself, find something else. If you already have plenty of things laying around for that purpose and you just want something different that will get giggles out of your friends, consider a Bond Arms derringer. They are neat little guns despite their many flaws.

[@patbrown463]

I fully agree with this comment. I got one for the "second cool" and bought an additional barrel.

[@sarinhighwind]

only Nutn can do 44 minutes on a gun or knife or watch and be entertaining the whole way.

[@col.cottonhill6655]

One of the only gear reviewing channels I enjoy because of him

[@flinchfu]

My weird android wallpaper glitch just happened. Now I have a screaming Nutnfancy holding a derringer on my lock screen....

[@secondclasscitizen7343]

😂 “snattle rake” my new favorite word.

[@jctractorman61]

Just bought one of their Roughnecks in 38 special and right out of the box the shell extractor screw was extremely loose. The next problem was the derringer was almost impossible to open most of the time with rounds in it. The only way most of the time to open it was to fire the rounds and have to work with it to get it open. It is so tight that am scared the latch handle might break off. Does not seem to matter what brand of ammo used still has the problem. It is irritating that their quality control is lacking and this one should have not been sent out this way. I have contacted Bond Arms and they wanted pictures plus a description of what is wrong. Hopefully they will make it right. Will update when i can. Thanks Nutnfancy really enjoy you videos and your honest opinions as you are pretty well spot on.

[@jonny4182]

Best cougar defense is a perky undegrad.

[@julesthurongi1223]

As a primary pistol for animal or bad guys, any derringer will suck pond water compared to a subcompact polymer pistol. As a backup hideout piece, that’s where they shine. The mafia hitman called the Iceman merc’d more people with a gun like that than many green berets have with rifles. Many deadly encounters with firearms are over in less than 2 seconds, with 2 rds or less fired. The other thing about Bond Arms is the interchangeable barrels, giving the user/owner options when certain calibers of ammo become scarce. And furthermore, the rowdy and roughneck models are pretty stinkin’ inexpensive (around $250ish) when compared to a friggen $600-$700 SIG, jussayin.

[@williamcooper126]

That pistol is perfect in every way!!!!!!!! It helps balance my step in my wellington boots because I keep a pint of whiskey in the left boot once I put that in my right boot people stopped thinking I have a limp.

[@ntwtransam]

Your brother in law is probably more likely to trip and fall from the extra fatigue of carrying that pistol rather than being attacked by a lion.

[@Kuddley_Peach]

Thanks for bringing up "Just walk around" I'm not 100 on the stats but I'm sure most bites are didn't see it or was messing around with it. You are in its home. Just let it be.

[@MKD.357]

I think it’s a cool niche pistol. They are super well made pistols. But when I considered buying one for CCW the weight turned me off. My ‘74 S&W 36 is all steel and lighter weight. It also gives me 3 more rounds.

[@JC-tb6si]

Dogs are pack animals so when the German Shepherd was killed its pack hunted the cougar down and got him

[@sixpest]

well you got a point there xD

[@marsultor8336]

I'm now wondering if Nutnfancy would have been so blase about Cougars killing dogs if one had killed Allie..... I'd also point out that the reason cougars and wolves damn near went extinct in North America (and wolves are extinct in westetn europe) is because our ancestors hunted them to that point and it wasn't just because they irrationally hated them. It's easy to love cougars or wolves when they arent hunting your pets, livestock, children, or in extremis, you.

[@skyhop]

I lost it when he said, "there's no rail."

[@calholli]

Oh there will be.. its coming next

[@lordnetsplits3192]

the review is very woman like.

[@calholli]

@@lordnetsplits3192 Bro, did you just assume the review's gender? wtf

[@LinkHyrule03]

Full disclosure: I'm in the "derringers suck" camp. You say that Bond Arms should do something different. Yes, they do. The Bullpup. Try it, seriously. I can't say you'll find it to be a duty gun at all, but you'll at least come out of it saying "I'd be happy to have that in the collection". I firmly believe that it is the most mechanically interesting handgun on the market, and might take the top place for most mechanically interesting handgun of all time. If you don't understand how they function, you should look into it. The gun feeds in reverse, using a dual claw mechanism to pull the cartridge backwards out of the magazine, uses an elevator mechanism to lift the cartridge onto the bolt face, and then gives the cartridge a straight shot into the rotating barrel. There are a few 1st kind of cool advantages to the system, but mostly the Bullpup is 2nd kind of cool. The internal mechanisms sap away the recoil energy like a PX4 does, so the subcompact Bullpup feels like it has the recoil impulse of a G19. It really is pleasant and smooth shooting. And you end up with a 3.3" barrel (meaning that all reputable hollow points will expand, unlike with some

[@joshuarausch5526]

I agree with everything on the gun but as much as I love nutn there's tons of reasons to kill cougars and rattlers at times. Not least of all food and game management.

[@USALibertarian]

Don't touch venomous snakes. $200K hospital bill ain't worth it. And what is the up side? Lookin cool?

[@USALibertarian]

G ft

[@darthmartinez]

If you want to shoot 45 Colt in a western style gun, buy a Ruger Blackhawk. Its over 30 ounces but for 2nd cool its a 6 shot single action traditional revolver that's really fun to shoot.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

And usually very accurate. And extremely durable. And can take some pretty beastly +p loads without an issue. One correction though, it's usually about 42oz+

[@ExploreAmerica]

My wife shot a 21-year-old junkie in the heart trying to hijack our SUV with our two children in the back seat in 2013. 357… But you guys listen to the millennial who does not own one.

[@bgomusicco]

I had some cci shot shell that sat in my ammo can for years. I decided I would never use it so I shot it at the range for fun. It actually cycled a G19x. I was surprised.

[@HeroOfTheDay545]

I can't believe the people defending this gun by saying "It's a range toy!" That's fine and all, but when the marketing is saying it's meant for another purpose and it fails to meet the needs of that calling, criticism in that regard is completely fair.

[@ohtehlolz]

Cougar defense? Just don't go to the bar, you can avoid them in the grocery store. For mountain lion I carry a Glock 20, but I've still never seen one in the wild.

[@slinkyrobb]

For a while there were mountain lions looking through peoples home windows and even jumping on cars in western Oklahoma.

[@imgaryk]

Trigger on a Bond Arms Derringer must be pulled "Downward and Back" which is i think why some have issue with trigger pull. They do not pull "Downward" they just pull Back. Also, lf you need to use this gun for self-defense you are most likely not wearing gloves at the time which i think affected your trigger pull. Here is what it states on Bond Arms Website about Trigger: The trigger pull on our pistols is approximately 7 pounds which is within the acceptable range for a pistol of this type. Derringers, being small compact pistols, require the user to operate the gun in a specific manner. With the hammer in the full cock position, grasp the grip with your shooting hand making sure that your hand is not touching the cocked hammer. Any amount of pressure applied to the cocked hammer by your hand will increase the trigger pull substantially. Make contact with the trigger using the pad of your trigger finger. Avoid pulling the trigger with the bend of your first knuckle. Pull the trigger downwards and back. And The bottom barrel is lined up with the sights and the top barrel may tend to shoot slightly high. To compensate for the top barrel shooting high, aim slightly lower until you find the right position.

[@jeanniebuchholz9923]

They do have some gorgeous/sexy guns for the 2nd cool aspect, I'll give them that. I'd rather have an NAA revolver and get 5 shots instead of 2, but those don't blow my skirt up either. Good luck and God bless.

[@drogers_3]

Cougar defense is such a stupid concept. Carry a gun, but if your philosophy of use is to use it to kill a species which is threatened in many ecosystems, which is aggressive toward very few humans, that is so unbelievably stupid. It's not like carrying a gun for bear defense; bears require more power to incapacitate, and while attacks are rare, they can charge you and maul you to death. So, bears could require a dedicated gun with both sufficient capacity and/or sufficient power in order to kill (ie. a 10mm auto with full power loads), but I'd still say that my main concern walking in rural Appalachia, is that I am in meth country and I might encounter hostile junkies in the middle of nowhere. I believe a g19 with 147 grainers is suited for both of those situations, with the ability to carry additional extended capacity magazines and maybe some CCI shotshells for venomous snakes.

[@drogers_3]

shotshells you gotta feed manually directly into the chamber, but if you really want to shoot them that's the best way. The plastic tip of the rounds will break and pour shot into your gun if you try to cycle them. I hate snakes and see a lot of them when I go fishing, and antivenom is expensive and not always available. Some of my fear is irrational, but the best go to tacklebox gun is the ruger lcr .22, which weighs nothing and can hold up to 8 shot shells for anyone who's asking. I hate those mfs falling from trees into boats.

[@billystink4611]

Never met anyone who cared more about a cougar than a German Shepherd before, thankfully. Coyote, cat, bear, or snake doesn’t matter, I wouldn’t let them kill my GS.

[@LinkHyrule03]

But a .410 derringer wouldn't help you much there, especially against a bear. .410 from a 3" barrel performs well enough to handle a small snake or a bird at close range. 000 buck gets less than 600fps from a 3" barrel, so you're getting too little penetration to be reliably effective against humans, much less bears. Coyote is pushing it, but might work. A large cat, though? Yeah, a 600fps load isn't going to prove very effective.

[@billystink4611]

@@LinkHyrule03 I agree, but I never said I’d use a .410 derringer. I usually carry a 44 mag for animal protection.

[@johnwaters8640]

It sounds like your dog wouldn't be in the situation he described, because if you care so much about your dog, it's likely trained and not "roaming in the woods".

[@billystink4611]

@@johnwaters8640 yeah, I would be with him on the trails, not letting him run wild.