Can I beat a STABLESS Hardcore Nuzlocke of Pokémon Leaf Green? (Poor Charmander...)

[@chefgrizz6284]

Keep using Rare Candies. More content is more important than seeing grinding against level 2 pidgeys

[@Thedork232]

TRUE

[@cambutcooler_]

imo pinsir is probably one of the best stabless mons in gen 3, since it literally learns no stab moves by levelup, has swords dance, and an absolutely monstrous attack stat, and not that bad of a tm learnset either too bad you didnt use him tho lmao

[@NuzlockeJoe]

A week ago, I might have disagreed. But I’m using Pinsir in my current run, and he is really awesome. He’s way faster than I thought, and his defense is pretty good too. Tbh, I’ve always kinda hated him because he’s not scyther, and I grew up with Red and then Fire red. So I had a huge bias that I’m only now realizing was completely misplaced. Pinsir would have been very helpful in this run

[@cambutcooler_]

hell yeah pinsir gang :D

[@rubadub15]

Please keep doing stabless runs! They’re entertaining as heck

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Glad you liked it! I have done on since, just because this one didn’t have a ton of support, but I might pick it up again in the future

[@richarddill692]

Starmie would be great. It has a wide movepool, with a lot of special moves (matching well with it's stats) outside it's own types; plus Recover for survivability.

[@richarddill692]

Tentacruel would also help a lot. Especially if you give it Giga Drain and Barrier.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

You called it! Tentacruel would also be useful, but I thought I already had enough water types on the team

[@l1nx258]

Starmie would be my shout too.

[@troywardjr1216]

snorlax is one of the best pokemon for this. He can learn earthquake ice beam thubderbolt flamethrower and a whole lot more.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Let me know some of your favorite STABless Kanto Pokémon, and subscribe of course!

[@perilouspancakes]

phew 😅

[@tylermcduck630]

you should try a soulink hardcore nuzlock

[@theReallygoodlawyer]

Starmie with ice beam thunderbolt recover dazzling gleam

[@pokemonmastermelon4531]

Woah Joe! Long time no see. Honestly this is an extremely creative concept, and I think it works really well as a lot of Pokémon, especially normal types, have some nice coverage, like how Rhydon can learn Surf and Snorlax can learn Thunderbolt. Amazing video for sure, and I loved the nickname theme, I think that was amazing

[@12cmercado]

This was a cool concept. A no STAB and no TM run would be cool too

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Oh man, that would be rough! But could be a good idea

[@zttaylorfitness6637]

Keep going dude. Can’t wait to watch your channel grow and then I can say “I remember when this guys had under 10k subs” ❤️

[@shelly587]

14:29 caught me off guard and took me out I stg😭😭😭

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah I just saw that episode a few weeks ago with my son and it fit in perfectly!

[@garrettklaus9385]

We really need to get you about 100k more subscribers. One of the best nuzlockers out there. Please keep it up

[@NuzlockeJoe]

No complains there. If you have some secret way to jump straight to 100k, in all ears lol

[@justinrumpf2177]

Nidoking sure he can’t learn any ground moves for stables but megahorn is pretty strong horn drill inaccurate yes but when it does hit it’s a one hit ko and he can learn things like ice beam thunder bolt or flamethrower just to name a few

[@Will-tl2sj]

Definitely deserve more subs bro! Love the videos ❤

[@johnperry8045]

I love this idea of nuzlocke now as a normal type pokemon trainer I am happy to say kanghaskhan or lickitung are the best stabless anchors for versatility and power

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I can’t speak to lickitung because I don’t know if I’ve ever used him tbh. But langkhaskan is solid, if difficult to get. Persian may not be the strongest, but is quite versatile too

[@luizbezerra4373]

Stabless run? I like that idea, let’s see!

[@TheWolfyHero]

That's a great idea, please do this for other regions and games!

[@Peelster1]

I thought was Same Type Attack Bonus as STAB cannot apply to non-attacking moves. However, it would be interesting if you cannot use moves that shsre a type with the pokemon using it. This would mean that Rattata wouldn't be able to use Tail Whip for example.

[@ItsFireTiger]

I guess the best way to make sure you don't use a stab move is to delete it from your Move Set with the Move Deleter and maybe get some stabless TMs that will fit your team best

[@NuzlockeJoe]

That’s true, and I did use the move delete when I got to fuschia, but that is pretty late game. The tms are also a good idea, and I simply refused to learn moves that were STAB when I could avoid it

[@kaimusic7884]

Really cool idea and great video Joe! Keep it up :D

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Thanks!

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Great video Enjoyed the variety of different Pokémon Expected Normal types to come clutch due to diverse move pools like Persian and Snorlax Small thing but I would've name Nidorino Pointless if fits

[@NuzlockeJoe]

That’s a pretty good name actually.

[@outofideasexe]

this is a really unique run, was pretty entertaining to watch

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Thanks! I thought it was unique for sure and considered doing it as a series, but the video never really picked up

[@mrpiccionedivino5598]

Love how gassless just casually appears and destroy koga and becomes mvp of the league because i don't think you talked about his encounter in lavander tower.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

No I didnt. This was the first time I used the Pokémon randomized to evolve a trade evolution, so I wanted it to be a surprise

[@raheemfielder-bey998]

He also used night shade from a gengar on a Pokémon in a stabless run 😬🤔

[@mrpiccionedivino5598]

@@raheemfielder-bey998it isn't powered by stab

[@TheWolfyHero]

Just found this channel, great job! Nice run, like your voice and edit as well! It's so good to find new channels to watch ❤️

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Thanks! Another video is coming out in a few days, so stay tuned!

[@jbdbibbaerman8071]

I just recently completed my first hardcore nuzlocke of leaf green, I got lucky to get and catch a Nidoran in the safari zone. Nidoking is a great pokemon for a stabless run imo. It gets a ton of tms, and you can't even give it a good poison move pre e4 anyway. You can also use it as a special attacker, and you don't need to use a ground type move necessarily to make it good. In my run I did use earthquake with it once in the e4, but I used a physical Nidoking to sweep the poison trainer with shadow ball

[@NuzlockeJoe]

That’s funny, seeing a nidoking with shadow ball. I probably haven’t used a nidoran in years, I should give them another try.

[@armaggedon390]

Fun idea. I thought you'd keep Raticate for a bit since it has a really good learnset. But I guess base 50 Sp. Attack isn't worth it.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

If TMs were multiple use he would have been a good backup, but Persian was just so much better

[@Coolguy.399]

Very decent video idea!

[@ilovegarradors]

In defense of the man with the diglet, his dialog is the same in gen 1, which is the same gen lickitongue...can't learn lick.

[@posslord1221]

Comment for the algorithm. Hoping your channel blows up soon!

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I’ll also hope it blows up more, but December and January were actually incredible months for me, basically doubling my subs so that was pretty nice

[@chefgrizz6284]

Came back to rewatch this for fun. Snorlax would dominate with no stab. Belly drum rest EQ and shadow ball

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah thats totally true! The only thing is he is super slow so that works against him

[@FrZnPredator]

Gengar loaded with psychic moves

[@RsSooke]

This was such a great run I love stuff like this!

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@thaelrynvecna2953]

South America in the pokeworld? Well, to be fair, this game was like the first Final Fantasy. Game Freak was not expecting it to blow up like it did, so...they had no worry about mixing real life places in it. Hell, originally you were supposed to fight the pokemon yourself before catching them. it's why so many sprites show whips and bug nets and what not. When the game took off they started making equivalents (America being Unova, Kalos being France, Sun and Moon Hawaii, etc)

[@eddiehan1586]

Clearly nidoking is the best for stabless, consider u can get one during mt moon, and the insane movement nidoking can do.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah nidoking would have been pretty useful

[@joshuacain9845]

Dragonite, Snorlax, Starmie, Tauros, and honestly charizard are all pretty solid with no stab moves because they get good coverage. not to mention things like Chansey and Clefable that aren’t that offensive anyways

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I didn’t really consider the more defensive Pokémon, but a seismic toss Chansey with toxic would actually be pretty good!

[@kingcodeman194]

Joe I’d love to see you try this run in shield and sword

[@NuzlockeJoe]

At the moment, my runs are kinda stuck at the DS level for technical reasons, but I’d like to expand that for sure

[@kingcodeman194]

That’s fair, maybe try in black and white 2

[@mindlessmeat4055]

In leaf green, flareon has a high attack and can learn double edge.

[@JustJamieonYT]

20:07 you used stab night shade..uh oh! i really enjoyed this video! can't wait for more!!

[@casualsam5632]

night shade is fixed damage so doesn't actually get a STAB bonus, the damage is equal to your level

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Oh no! The run was illegal! Seriously though, went I went back through my footage to edit, I had a mini heart attack that I had ruined the run. I mean I knew night shade was fixed damage, but I still looked it up just to be sure lol

[@JustJamieonYT]

@@NuzlockeJoe Thats okay though ! I can't imagine night shade was the reason you won the run! Can't wait to see whats next dude 👏🏻

[@1musamune]

loved the Bluntlocke

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Is it actually called that? I though I had come up with a unique idea lol

[@1musamune]

@@NuzlockeJoe it is a term used for runs like this.

[@DonDivineDiva]

wow i just recommended this somewhere, okay universe

[@Cloverhandcrossing]

I don’t know if you’ve addressed this before but Nuzlockes don’t start until you have pokeballs so you didn’t need to beat your first rival fight

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah I know, but who wants to start with a loser Pokémon?

[@turbotortoise7336]

​@@NuzlockeJoe Late to the party, but someone who wants to turn that loser Pokémon into a winner! 🎉

[@cubyology]

hmm I think toothless will get about 30 levels? we'll see at the end :D EDIT : dang, I must have overestimated a little :d

[@NuzlockeJoe]

That’s a good guess. We’ll see!

[@typhoonboom]

gengar is probably one of the best pokemon is this gen without stab psychic on it is just better for it then sludge bomb and shadow ball i doubt it'll be used though

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I hope you watched long enough to see him in the run!

[@typhoonboom]

@@NuzlockeJoe not yet, im now at the ss anne portion

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Dang it. I guess I spoiled something. Oh well

[@typhoonboom]

@@NuzlockeJoe its fine

[@christophermcmurray8639]

newly subscribed, awesome video. You should try a TMNT run. All turtles, named after the turtles.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

That… is an AWESOME IDEA! That’s going on the list for sure

[@zuloph]

Magikarp because it evolves in to the pokemon that shall not be named

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Well, you didn’t say his name so I guess I’ll just give you a warning this time. Kinda surprised you didn’t say arcanine though lol

[@kennethabebdroth8513]

I didn't pay attention to the nature's or ivs of your encounters but I believe toothless could've learned both waterpulse and dig

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah that’s true, but every TM toothless had was a move another Pokémon couldn’t use. And I didn’t plan on using him late game, so it didn’t seem worth it

[@coriseoris]

I’m just gonna predict before the video starts that you’re gonna buy a bunch of secret power tm’s

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Not a bad idea for sure, but not quite the way I went

[@colonelreb2688]

Gengar lost that run lol, used night shade (no hate just pointing it out)

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Since night shade always does fixed damage, it doesn’t benefit from STAB

[@Dudeman411]

Did you say you used nightshade against Giovanni? A ghost type attack move? Is that not STAB for Gengar?

[@nightspawnson-of-luna4936]

I thought it was Same Type Attack Bonus? (Anyway I bet this challenge would be easier in Gen 1... especially if you have a dragon type)

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah it is, I totally messed that one up lol. The only problem with dragons in gen 1 is how long it takes for dratini to evolve.

[@Wrl2008]

Joseph i hereby inform you about the game Pokeone its multiplayer and has multiple regions, You should nuzlocke all the regions id watch that!

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I’ve heard about it, and have considered doing to. Maybe as a future Rom hack type video?

[@corrosivebarbarian7783]

same type ATTACK bonus 🤣🤣🤣 lol I'm know I'm a dick

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Well, you’re not wrong. No idea how I completely messed that one up so bad

[@guillermobuenoaledon5921]

Great video idea:)

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Thanks!

[@troywardjr1216]

15:15 butterfree is bug psychic type im pretty sure.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

He’s actually bug/flying. Though psychic would make sense to

[@kurtriggs2797]

Night shade isn't stab for Gengar but it's still a ghost type attack being used by a ghost type Pokemon?

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah it is a ghost move, but since it doesn’t get stab, I considered it fair game

[@PhibyMcBeth87]

Where you find leftovers in LG? Never get that only the berrys from snorlex 😅 for Such a run nidoking is super too 😊

[@NuzlockeJoe]

You can get two. You need to use the item finder in the exact location where the snorlaxs used to be.

[@PhibyMcBeth87]

@@NuzlockeJoe lol thx ^^

[@Classicsonicthehedgehog1]

My favourite ones are Arcanine Blastoise Lapras and Rhydon

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Well, I at least used one of those! I probably should have gotten lapras tbh, I just feel like I had enough water types

[@ItsFireTiger]

If you forget cut yous have to restart from last save or the whole challenge, idk if Nuzlockers save or not

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I do at least sometimes, because I’ve had technical issues and it sucks losing progress because your game froze or something

[@yatesrobinson2682]

Sooooooo, STABless huh? Should we count the technicality during your 8th gym battle...?

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Well, since night shade is fixed damage, it doesn’t actually get STAB, so it’s fair game imo

[@jokamjokhio8936]

How can you get these exp after fighting a elite fours

[@thesnowyzorua378]

Ypu could say Persian moveset is quite shocking

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I see what you did there!

[@spaceshipcaptain411]

I think one of the best stabless gen 1 pokemon is gengar (only gen 1-3) and arcanine

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Obviously, I agree with gengar because I relied on him a lot. Arcanine is also a really good one, especially in gen 3 where fire is only special, he might as well use stabless

[@nicholasmays4257]

@@NuzlockeJoe arcanine's sp attack is only 10 points lower than his physical, still base 100

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah, you are completely eight. I thought he was more in line with flareon with a great attack and only ok special, but that’s not true at all. Not sure why I thought that…

[@nicholasmays4257]

@@NuzlockeJoe flare blitz probably lol

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Could be. But now I know!

[@SebastianNero]

Been watching you for awhile and realize I’m not following. Lol I’m gonna now I wanna see you at million subs :)

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I hope to get to a million too!

[@anthonypriestley7163]

Id go straight away with nidoking, EQ comes up too late anyway and early moon stone is crazy

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah that’s true. You can get nidoking remarkably quickly, even before the misty level cap

[@quacctastic]

Hey, where'd you catch Squirtless the Squirtle?

[@NuzlockeJoe]

He was my starter, of course! Why?

[@quacctastic]

@@NuzlockeJoe Just wanted to know so I also can obtain Squirtle and name it Squirtless 😎

[@NuzlockeJoe]

@@quacctastic gotcha. I was super proud of that name actually.

[@patrick5783]

You do realize that you used Nightshade against Giovanni, with a Ghost Type Pokémon? In theory u lost the Nuzlocke there, but nonetheless nice Video man!

[@NuzlockeJoe]

While it it a ghost type move, it does not benefit from STAB, because it deals fixed damage. Just like sonic boom, and dragon rage, for example. But thanks for watching that far!

[@Jonathan-dy9ju]

Yo, do u use cheats for candies and ev and harvesting berries or u rly grind ?

[@NuzlockeJoe]

So I 100% cheat to get rare candies because that would take way too long. EVs I typically don’t cheat for, and items I never do. That’s why in this run I’m limited on berries, because they are very rare in kanto

[@blader400]

Question: at 6:40 you say you saved toothless cuz it survived 2 attacks that you didn’t expect it to. If you didn’t expect it to survive, then it would have never got the chance to even use scary face right? Fan of the videos btw. Cheers.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah that’s a good question. I realized during editing that it didn’t make a ton of sense, but was too lazy to change and just hoped no one would notice lol. Basically, I was planing to sac toothless to get a safe swap. But since he managed to get a scary face, I didn’t think I needed to sac him any more

[@PhoenixMalfoy]

Isn’t night shade a ghost type move?????

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah, but since it does fixed damage based on level, it doesn’t get a STAB boost. Meaning it’s fair game

[@codybarton6332]

Liked on shameless plug 😂

[@rb4734]

Same type attack bonus?

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah that’s what I meant to say lol Not great to mess that up when the whole video revolves around it

[@rb4734]

@@NuzlockeJoe Well it did grab the attention. And it fitted the theme. You couldn't use same type words in your attack.

[@kitsterling8665]

At first I assumed you didn't say Same Type Attack Bonus because of KZbin shenaniganery, but I read the reply you made on someone elses comment and realised you just done goofed. No harm done, it's basically the same meaning either way.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

I’m a big fan of the KZbin shenanigans, but not this was not one of them. The idea is still the same right?

[@kitsterling8665]

@@NuzlockeJoe I mean the shenanigans where you have to be careful what you say if you wanna get/stay monetised... xD

[@ItsFireTiger]

Uh, isn't Caterpie Weedle version exclusive?

[@NuzlockeJoe]

No he’s not actually. You have a 40% chance to find either in Vitoria forest, though finding a metapod is much more likely in Fire Red.

[@NuzlockeJoe]

In the original gen 1, there were almost version exclusive, but not quite. You only had a 5% chance to find caterpie in Red for example

[@raffausfaus]

Who’s tha best stabless Pokémon? I would vote for nidoking and snorlax. They learn everything

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Snorlax is pretty great. I didn’t really even think of nidoking tbh, but I could see that. Especially how how quickly he can evolve.

[@trollomane]

Nuzlocke rules only apply after you get pokeballs so losing to the rivals level 5 shouldnt matter

[@NuzlockeJoe]

That’s true, but who wants to get stuck with a loser?

[@hassanawdi3793]

Can someone please explain cause I didn't get the meaning of stab

[@NuzlockeJoe]

When a Pokémon uses a move that’s the same type they are, the move gets a 50% boost. So surf from a water Pokémon has a higher base power that surf from a non water Pokémon.

[@hassanawdi3793]

@@NuzlockeJoe thanks a lot sorry didn't get it the first time

[@austinkingburton9723]

I guess night shade doesn't get stab

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Nope, it does damage equal to your level

[@jacobveryberry]

Same type attack bonus

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Yeah I know. It’s a pretty embarrassing mistake when the whole theme centers on STAB

[@jacobveryberry]

@@NuzlockeJoe super dope concept though dude

[@pelli1]

I think you cheated here

[@Forbiddenking500]

Growlithe

[@NuzlockeJoe]

Always a solid choice