Nvidia Cuts Prices! GeForce RTX 4070 vs. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, Worth Spending The Extra $100?

[@dragonmares59110]

Weird, those prices cut never happen in Europe...

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

4060ti 16gb and 4070 have been under MSRP in Europe for weeks. Just check so you don't forget to include your local currency and tax :)

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

4070 is 550 here in Sweden but after taxes (possible the highest in the world? Not sure if anyone has higher than the 25% VAT we have) and unfavourable currency conversations it’s still almost twice what I paid for my 1070 some years ago. So I wouldn’t call it good still at 7500SEK.

[@Spentalei]

4060Ti is 450 euros where I am, which is a LOT cheaper than the 620 4070 atm.

[@Trisstan20]

before 7800 XT launch, you could get cheaper brands like Gainward for like 100 Euro under MSRP here( CZ, EU) so yes that do happen

[@eniff2925]

@@wertywerrtyson5529 We have 27% VAT with 1/10 of the salary of your country bro. You have it great there.

[@andresilvasophisma]

These prices are still nuts. The 4060Ti 16GB should be at $350 or slightly less. That ram bus isn't doing it any favors.

[@kawafahra]

I cannot get over the 128 bit farce of AMD and NVIDIA. I just cannot come up with any reason beyond self damaging levels of greed.

[@PookaBot]

It's sad that there is literally no reason to upgrade to it from my 3060ti that actually beats it in memory bandwidth,🤦‍♀️

[@BarAlexC]

@@kawafahra they'd be acceptable at 200-250, IMO. launching that crap for $500, tho...that's where 4070ti belongs.

[@raulitrump460]

4060Ti $250 and 4070 $350

[@TorreyCTX]

the 6800XT and the 7800XT is basically no upgrade either... its the same thing.@@PookaBot

[@Breakfast_of_Champions]

This whole generation can't get to the bargain bin quick enough.

[@kosmosyche]

This. Even the best GPUs in terms of price/performance are disappointing and not much better than 3 years old line up. All others are mind-bogglingly bad. Well, I guess, if money is not an issue, RTX4090 is the beast, not that the majority can afford it.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

Agreed. Virtually no progress made from the 30 series.

[@ps3beatswii]

Inb4 we end up saying the same thing about the next generation.

[@mjkittredge]

@@ps3beatswii I think both companies are learning their lesson about pricing. This current generation was initially tained by the pandemic/mining shortage pricing but has started to come back to sanity. They realize if they don't price their products appropriately they just aren't going to sell. This downturn should affect the 8000 and 5000 series cards

[@ToolofSociety]

@@mjkittredge You are a lot more of an optimist than I am. I fully expect the pricing to stay high because they prefer to sell fewer units for more profit. Fewer units moved means less spent on packaging/shipping/etc. EVGA dipping out made me start paying attention because they were clearly the canary...

[@wakazimaru]

That Price cut never happens in my country unless the GPU is at least 2 years old lmao. Nvidia is especially padded by extra 20-30$ by the merchants too while AMD stays MSRP price because almost no one buys it here.

[@Eleganttf2]

udah ketebak pasti sesama indonesia hahaha

[@missshieta6506]

Sad but true😂

[@ed_ELA]

450 for a 4050ti masquerading as a 4060ti is absolutely insane.

[@OrjonZ]

More like 3060.

[@HanSolo__]

4050ti 16GB !

[@starlightHT]

539.9€ msi Ventus 😅 A little salt the price here in Europe too... and if you compare it with the same model Ventus 4070 it is €691.90.... A difference of €152😅

[@bb5307]

A 4060 masquerading as a 4070 is almost as insane.

[@NGreedia]

"4070" at $600 is ridiculous given this level of rasterization is 3 years old. only the 4080/4090 are "new" and were not seen before, and even then, 4000 series is already a year old and should be at a discount, but nvidia thinks the price should remain the same until the next gen is available a few years later. technology depreciates quickly but nvidia doesn't seem to think so.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

Ever since 30 series the VRAM capacity has been all over the place on Nvidia cards.

[@jadedriviera7402]

I’m almost sure they wanted to give us a 6GB 3060. I think that’s exactly what their plan was, specially since the laptop 3060 has 6GB. Then when AMD completely surprised them with massive vRAM, they just last-minute gave the 3060 double and went with that. It doesn’t make sense otherwise

[@Seth22087]

That is because nVidia didn't plan on giving us those lower tier high VRAM models. 4060Ti 16GB was response to backlash for 4060Ti 8GB, because at its price, 8GB was totally unacceptable. For 3060 I can't remember if it was something to do with making it more enticing to miners or just response to market. Like I am pretty sure original plan was 6GB, since due to how GPU is designed with memory bus it can do 6GB or 12GB, unlike RAM you are limited with how many memory chips you put on it and so you can go for base capacity or double. Like 8GB wouldn't be possible due to design of GPU. Hence why you then got oddities in lineup. And how can lower tier card beat higher tier once you need extra VRAM. Still same thing that happened between 3060 12GB and 3060Ti/3070 8GB or between 3070 and RX6700XT, where 3070 was fastest, but with asterisk, as long as 8GB of VRAM was enough... and I think history will repeat here with 12GB on 4070, not as quickly, but stage is set for history to repeat.

[@sotesz]

Yeah it looks like sometimes they accidentaly forget how much they would have wanted to f us over, and put unusually "much" on a card here and there...

[@honest9158]

Nvidia started being super careful not to offer a GPU that has everything you might need for a fair price, like they did during Pascal, because their value was so extreme and games were not too demanding until recently, you could legit keep your 1060/1070 + FSR and have no need for a new GPU. Their current plan is to maximise profits, even if one person buys a 4070 for 600$, they will be satisfied they got away with it.

[@Cloudypoo]

They're needing the vram for their enterprise chips for AI. Far more valuable and far more spendy big corps paying them vs our measly gamer bucks

[@TJPavey]

This GPU generation is insane. There was always diminishing returns in the past with more expensive products. This brining up the price of entry level is going to kill pc gaming if it doesn’t revert next gen.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

Combine that with the ridiculous hardware requirements in new games that look no different than they did 5 years ago.

[@ps3beatswii]

​@KimBoKastekniv47 the fact I, a 3090 owner, am struggling to run modern games at fucking 1440p is ridiculous.

[@sotesz]

@@ps3beatswii What? Now that really is. Although it matters a lot at what fps...

[@PainterVierax]

@@KimBoKastekniv47 They look no different and they play no different. Reskinning the same soulless gamedesign concepts over and over again with minor improvements.

[@eli72481]

GTX 960 was $200 at launch, adjusted for inflation is $260 today

[@avik701]

Man, after buying gtx 1080 8gb card in 2016, I thought xx60, xx70 and xx80 would be paired with atleast 12,16 and 20gb by 2023. How disappointing.

[@laurentiudll]

rtx 4060ti costs half of what you paid for 1080, and offers 40% better performance raw, + dlss, +rtx, + Vram, compared to my 1080TI for example, which was 980$ back when they were full in stock, not scarce.

[@Chrisp707-]

@@laurentiudllthe difference is the 1080Ti aged like fine wine. The 4060ti (both versions) will not.

[@laurentiudll]

@@Chrisp707- maybe, but my generation gpu people has 300-450$ to spend, and whats the best upgrade for that money ?

[@disclaimer4211]

@@Chrisp707- we'll see, the vram might carry it a bit... but I think saving the extra 150 dollars for the 70 Ti is a better option... i doubt games are going to use a full 12 gigs of vram, it would be too much... they might optimize their games for like 8-10 gigs of vram usage at the max and you'd still have 2-4 gigs lefts for whatever you need. Unless you wanted to use all of it and get more performance out of your card... remember the 6 gig cards back then ended up having atleaste 1 to 2 gigs left of vram when playing most games? This is why 8 gigs of vram has been able to be around for so long because so many games have came out only needing more than 4 to 5 gigs of vram, it was somewhat rare for a game to use 6 gigs until like 2017 to 2018. I think 12 gigs of vram will be the new 6-8 gigs for a while... in other words, you will be fine for maybe more than 3-5 years until you might need a new graphics card and even then I doubt by then they will be optimizing for 10-12 gigs of vram in games and even still that's pretty normal.

[@Chrisp707-]

@@laurentiudll 6800/6800XT. 7700XT and in a few weeks the 7800XT will likely be in that price bracket as well. The 4060TI is a complete joke of a GPU

[@buddybleeyes]

I honestly just dont care anymore, the industry has killed my excitement and enthusiasm for pc's. I didnt bite on the 30 series scalped prices, and then nvidia decided to do it themselves for the 40 series- and ofcourse AMD following the leader 🙄

[@mjkittredge]

just wait for a sale/buy previous gen or used. There are deals to be had if you look around

[@buddybleeyes]

@mjkittredge I've still got a 2070 super, so I'm fine right now. Just completely turned off by an upgrade because it's not the correct price I'd pay for performance. If the next gen goes like this gen, prices will still be high for this gen cards. Sure I can find deals, but not deals I'm happy paying for not much improvement on what I have. (Eg there's no point me buying a 4060/60ti as the performance is poor for an upgrade, and the 4070/4080 is the performance tier I'd want for the price of the 4060/60ti)

[@buddybleeyes]

@@mjkittredge in other words, if you want to get a deal and be happy with a minor upgrade for more money and get ripped off- be my guest

[@slayerr4365]

3060 scalper 700 dollars 4060 300 dollars 3060 ti scalper 900 dollars 4060 ti 400 3070 scalper 1200 dollars 4070 580 dollars People must be taking some good drugs to forget just how bad the scalper prices were to think 40 series costs anywhere close to that lol. 3090s were legit selling for 5k at large quantity.

[@buddybleeyes]

@@slayerr4365 but in comparison to what 30 series prices should have been, 40 series is a massive slap edit: and the fact the used market here In the uk- 30 series used is being priced around the 40 series prices.

[@vtheman1850]

These are still insane prices from both camps. I mean man we used to be able to get an r9 380 or a 1070 for 300 bucks :D

[@slayerr4365]

Prices were cheaper 8 years ago. In other news bread cost half the price 8 years ago. Comments like these are like people were born 3 years ago and have absolutely no concept on the fact the price of everything in the world increases as years go by. Let me pull my boomer card and tell you about the happy days where a game cost £30-40 and now they cost £50-60.

[@hacob2004]

@@slayerr4365 The 1070 launched for $380. Accounting for inflation that would be $480 today. They launched the 4070 at $600 and even after this discount it's still 10% higher

[@ToolofSociety]

@@slayerr4365 Weird I'm sill buying bread for a little over $1 for a loaf just like I was 8 years ago. Even looking at the inflation rate here in the USA a dollar 8 years ago is worth 1.30 today. Of course since you're in England you're experiencing a much higher rate of inflation (2x of the USA)so that sucks. When I last went to England the exchange rate was a little over 2 US dollars per pound. The pound sterling has just crawled back to $1.27 per pound after falling off a cliff since 2008. So not only are you in a country where inflation is worse than the USA and the Eurozone but your currency has also lost A LOT of value compared to the world's reserve currency. You have my condolences. In the early 90s I bought an 8 bit mono sound blaster card that was on sale as an open box for about $90+ tax. I also looked at buying 1 megabyte of ram for $40... Today I can buy an USB DAC that absolutely destroys equipment worth thousands in the 90s for a bit more than I paid for that SB card. I can also buy 16 GB of DDR4 or DDR5 for about the same price as that one meg of ram cost.

[@mojojojo6292]

@@slayerr4365 Games never cost 30-40, at least since cartridge games in the 90's. They were always around 50-60 meaning they have got cheaper over time but yeah these kids crying about everything is annoying. They have no idea how easy they have it and how good value current hardware is and how great the quality of a lot of the games we are getting are, with some rare exceptions of course. They just bitch and moan about everything.

[@orangecat1596]

Your so called 1070 for 300 bucks performs nowadays like a 1080p 30-60 fps in newer games and that tbh is such a waste of money in todays standard. If money is a problem just sell your old gpu cheap and pay the difference for a new gpu

[@joeykeilholz925]

It legit doesn't feel like prices were cut. That is a first for me, seeing a price drop and thinking it's still 30-40% too expensive. I'm sure it will get worse as we are all slowly priced out of things we need.

[@slayerr4365]

If it was 40% cheaper a 4060 ti 16gb would cost less than a 3060 did. I am sure that sounds "reasonable" to clowns yes lol.

[@trumpsextratesticle8590]

@@slayerr4365 just because it would be cheaper than the 3060 doesnt mean the 3060 was a good price...Jesus you kids today lack any logical thought process.

[@winj3r]

The real title should be "4050Ti vs 4060"....

[@UshaKurosaki]

more like 4050ti vs 4060ti.

[@zdspider6778]

More like 4050 vs 4060.

[@Crenzy-ct9tt]

Go buy a ps5 then 👀

[@lharsay]

8:53 I was one of those people commenting that, so thanks for the test. I was simply curious if the weaker cards work as well as the 4090 since frame gen takes GPU compute resources which the 4090 has lot more of.

[@BarAlexC]

wondering what happens when the game natively fills the vram. does it generate 50% extra frames then?

[@d.akross3639]

@@BarAlexC I have a 4070 ti. Cyberpunk 2077 fills all of my VRAM if I use the HD Reworked Project mod with pathtracing, but frame generation still adds 50 percent more frames.

[@or1on89]

@@d.akross3639 a shame that it can't avoid stuttering, I hope the legend of helping alleviating CPU bottlenecks will be soon debunked...this tech might be cool but is no fix for the BS they are putting on us this gen with really bad memory buses...

[@PainterVierax]

@@or1on89 I don't understand why this legend is popular. I mean Frame Gen can't work if there is not enough frames to work from. That's as simple as a just in time production line.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

No price drop here for the 4070. Still between 650-700 euro range :/

[@Hey1234Hey]

I love there's a price cut and the prices are still the same in my country 😊

[@sprocket5526]

Was so very close to pulling the trigger on the xt7800, but then I saw the reviews. It's pretty much the same as 3 year old 6800xt, if it had just a token 10% uplift I would have bought it as replacement for the 2070 I have. Now I'm considering the 7900xt, or just not buying anything. And no, not buying Nvidia, not willing to pay +100USD Ray tracing tax on a mid tier card. Ray tracing is imo over hyped and only makes sense for whales who can afford the 4080/4090/XTX type cards.

[@Pratham40s]

You are right about everything there. My personal opinion on the GPU uplift should be more than 100 percent for not more than 50 percent extra cost over ur current GPU price ( when purchased) in your scenario, 4080 level GPU makes sense as you mentioned

[@danishbashir4184]

Remember the RT cores and AI cores in 7800....6800 doesn't have that. Not that it will matter so much but just saying that don't forget that. I was also exactly same as you. Was gonna go for 7800 then saw reviews and thought 6800... Then AI cores and now again stuck. . . I have researched for two months already thanks to the bullshit Nvidia pulled....and now that I am exhausted I think a used 3090 is the absolute best thing for me. The only thing that holds it back in comparison to 4070 is frame gen. Now thanks to AMD you can do frame gen on 3090 too (I think...not sure though). So it ticks all the boxes. 1) Faster than 4070 and on par with 6800 2) Biggest VRAM 3) Can give 90% it's max performance at underclock to 250 watts 4) Has Dlss 1, 2, FSR and now frame gen . Just one thing. Fear of a mined card. But as I heard, a 10 days check warranty is enough to see if card is good or not. Basically if it works for 10 days under heavy load it will live it's life as a normal card is what I heard. . If you get 3090 in 500-600 dollars. I think it's the best card then.

[@Kryptic1046]

If you're in the US and you are diligent and patient with your search, you can sometimes score a 7900 XTX open box/factory refurb for barely any more than the price of a new 7900XT. I recently got an open box XTX for $828. Of course, if you're outside the US, then this may not apply.

[@danishbashir4184]

@@Kryptic1046 Here in China I am not sure where I can get a refurb card. Communication barrier is a big issue.

[@vasilije94]

No one buys Nvidia for RT. People buy it for DLSS. It really helps, and no, FSR is not even close. Long story short, non of the GPU is worth it from new gen.

[@l.i.archer5379]

I'm officially switched over to Intel. Love my Arc A770 16GB for $299.99

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

How does that works on old games? Like early 2k games?

[@l.i.archer5379]

@@SoulTouchMusic93 Intel would have to create drivers to run them, or the game devs would have to update those games to work with new hardware. I play Halo MCC just fine on my Arc A770.

[@ToolofSociety]

I don't even know what to think about Intel being a potential savior for gamers in the GPU market.

[@Zxanonblade]

@@l.i.archer5379 Did they fix Halo MCC on the A770? I remember watching some videos a few months ago and the game was a stuttering mess on a770 at that time

[@l.i.archer5379]

@@Zxanonblade they did for Combat Evolved,m but not so good for the other MCC titles as yet. The latest drivers from 4 weeks ago actually fixed the micro-stuttery mess that it was back in April. Gameplay is now smooth, and I am running it at 120 fps, 1440p with high settings for the most part for Combat Evolved. I don't even have XeSS turned on.

[@GamesOracle.]

Nvidia should lower the price of RTX 4070 to $500 to stay competitive. Improved efficiency is especially attractive in countries with high electricity costs, where even a 100W difference can make a significant impact.

[@Bob_Smith19]

It’s even attractive in the US since electric prices have doubled almost everywhere. If you leave the PC on all the time you will notice the cost savings.

[@BarAlexC]

between 4070 and 3060 the differences are: +same die size, but TSMC N4 vs Samsung 8nm. +30W more power delivery and cooling needed for 4070. -VRAM pricing took a nosedive. VRAM is now $2...$5/GB vs $6...$10/GB back then. So: ($24...$60 for 4070) vs ($72...$120 for 3060). The 4070's die alone costs ~$100 (simulated on a 300mm wafer with 85% yields, as reported). 3060's die can't cost less than $50. That neutralizes itself through VRAM savings. We are left with some $10...$20 for a better cooler and power delivery. If 3060 is profitable at 330, why wouldn't 4070 be at $350? or even $400 (and people would flock to get it)? but instead, they ask $600. "The more you buy, the more we gain" -Huang's fried brain, I guess.

[@fiftyfive1s410]

This is genuinely one of the silliest things I've ever had the pleasure of reading. Nvidia definitely has a massive profit margin, but wow, this is an absurd analysis.@@BarAlexC

[@BarAlexC]

@@fiftyfive1s410 share pointing out the absurdity of it?

[@PowellCat745]

@@Bob_Smith19do you live in Texas? As far as I know, electricity pricing on the west coast hasn’t changed much.

[@tomstech4390]

In the UK for about 5.5% more than an entry (ventus) 4060Ti you can get a RX7800xt. Against a GamingX version its only 2.3% and there are many more that are even more expensive. Nvidia has no idea how off the mark they are. My evga 3090 is the last Nvidia card I'll ever buy or put in a client build.

[@todd92371]

You nailed it

[@MaxIronsThird]

Frame Gen uses more VRAM, that might be why some people have asked to see it tested.

[@mojojojo6292]

It uses a tiny amount and if you are using frame gen then you are also using DLSS in most scenarios which renders at lower resolution which actually lowers vram usage.

[@jezzsmith7593]

Due to the price premium on Radeon in Australia the 4070 easily beats the 7800xt on $ per frame. AMD need to sharpen their prices in Aus!

[@halrichard1969]

They have their advertised MSRP. If its higher in Aus then its the Vendor mark-ups that are doing that. In America its the number one selling card.

[@lasvista2tech]

That is if you can find a stock, most aussie retailers dont keep much amd in stock

[@slayerr4365]

@@halrichard1969 The number one selling card is a 6800 xt refresh with the same performance in many games as the 6800 xt? I hope the people buying it had at least 2 generation old gpus and no 6800 owners just burned 500 dollars and what is the same card with a new name lol. At least with the 3060 ti vs 4060 ti you got new tech like frame gen going from 6800 to 7800 is like... Why

[@shady0216]

@@slayerr4365 i hope you realize that most people do not upgrade every gen, the vast, vast majority of the people buying the 7800 xt were people on the 9, 10, and 20 series cards

[@slayerr4365]

@@shady0216 If most people don't upgrade every gen why are 99% of benchmarks and comments comparing to last gen cards 🙂

[@Seth22087]

I think people just wanted to know if different amounts of tensor cores effects frame generation, hence why asking. Considering I don't have RTX4000 card, I also wondered if there is some scaling or, if it is completely linear. At least I think tensor cores were ones connected to DLSS, if memory serves.

[@jaykeem0]

The 4070 is def worth the price coming off any 20 series. For me its a solid difference upgrading from a 2070 super

[@bigo93]

If the 4060TI 16GB were $350 I would buy it immediately as I'd be upgrading from a 1070. But $450 is way too much for what it is! Even though my monitors only supposed G-Sync, I make be buying the 7800XT depending is there are any Black Friday/Xmas deals. But when then I'd probably only buy if the retailer gives the usual extended returns policy for xmas items. And if prices decrease further in January, return the GPU and buy at the cheaper price 😜

[@jasontodd5953]

If your in the USA best buy online has open box gigabyte 4070 for $459 sometimes and can registar with full factory warranty. A group of us has been able to get six for our IRACING team.

[@HeliumFreak]

Wake me up when their top range cards are under 1k

[@Decenium]

pretty generous margin, but the rx7900xtx, can that not be gotten for under 1k yet?

[@ethanwetzel7]

The 7900 XTX exists and goes toe to toe with the 4080. Better raster, worse RT. More vram. They are ~900-950$

[@happybuggy1582]

@@ethanwetzel7they ain’t good

[@bladeoflucatiel]

Is there any CUDA application that would justfiy the 16gigs? Its technically way cheaper than a 4080 for the same amount of VRAM, and way way cheaper than a quadro/pro card.

[@glenyoung1809]

The only CUDA based apps right now needing 16GB are the AI open source LLM apps and models. Plus AI image generation apps like Stable Diffusion. And for the more serious AI hobbyists 16GB is bare minimum with 20GB+ being recommended. It's why the 4090 is popular with many AI programmers and developers plus serious hobbyists, these people have replaced the crypto crowd as the big buyers of these cards.

[@krugec23]

Usually I would replace a gpu to get some easy performance boost. With these prices, a gpu costs more then MB+CPU+RAM combined. Capping my FPS to 60 45 or 30 is sufficient until some budget 300$ gpu shows up

[@HeliumFreak]

I was the sort of person that would but a new 80 card every generation, selling my old one when it was still worth decent money only having to put down 300 or so for a new card. But these prices are just crazy loco. I was lucky to get a 3080 for 700 but I can't ever see myself upgrading now 😅

[@zalankhan5743]

HAhaha MAN you are Right. Just got a Ryzen 7700x Combo from Microcenter for $400

[@silvinjo654]

60-45-30 fps with 300$ budget gpu :x I dont get people nowadays, like, get a 1080p monitor, get 300$ gpu and you're gonna be golden for few years at 100+ fps. I'm literally on 1080p and playing mostly fps games (rust, pubg, bf) and with 1660ti (gpu that now costs like what, 100$ ?) and r5 5600 I'm geting over 100fps on Rust, easily over 160 fps on pubg and 130 fps on bf2042. Like if you already dont have money and you're good with 60fps on 4k res, just buy console...

[@theanimerapper6351]

Or just play older games

[@Eleganttf2]

@@theanimerapper6351 same vibe as "or just build a low end 200$ pc" yeah toootally genius solution right there 🙄

[@LaserDiK]

Cheapest 4070 in the UK at Scan is £529

[@Bestvegeta]

All prices on all GPU's have to be cut in half.

[@mojojojo6292]

Keep dreaming.

[@HoldinContempt]

@@mojojojo6292 just a dream.......until intel battle mage launches next year at those price-points and steals the entire market from both companies.

[@mojojojo6292]

@@HoldinContempt The only reason Alchemist was cheap was because it wasn't remotely competitive. They were selling them at a loss. If intel manages to close the performance gap their prices will go up to match. 3 way competition between the 3 companies might result in slightly lower prices across the board though but I doubt intel can close the gap that quickly.

[@TotoyMolangMarikina]

Keep dreaming BROKIE 😂😂😂

[@WhiskyNerd]

I would like to see budget like cpu tests. most of your CPU reviews have a 4090 in them but but do you get with say a 4080 and 7600/134000. Where does the bottle neck for the cpu actual makes sense to upgrade on buy in at. If I want to build a PC this holiday season where I am I losing performance?

[@Matt-mg1qy]

Too bad no cuts on 4080 and 4090

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

4080 is selling like crap, but it's doing wonders to get people to just give up and buy a 4090 lol. AMD is doing the same thing with the 7700XT and 7900XT.

[@TheBlackIdentety]

Why would there be? AMD has nothing that can compete with those.

[@Spentalei]

Because AMD doesn't have anything competing with it. To be interesting AMD needs to have higher-peformance cards than Nvidia offers for the same price. The 4090 has no competitor and the 7900XTX effectively matches the 4080 for cheaper, not beat it for the same price.

[@Lionheart1188]

Yes they do fool, RX 7900 XTX. @@TheBlackIdentety

[@Eleganttf2]

@@Lionheart1188 only the 4080 he meant, but for 4090 still reigns king

[@GB-zi6qr]

Thanks for all the work Steve. Imo these prices are a rip off. An entry level card shouldn't be more than $300. When the RX6700XT fell to $330, that is the max it's worth! Holy smokes!!!! I do believe in making an honest profit but these prices are, imo, almost criminal.

[@haukikannel]

$500 is the new low end…

[@GB-zi6qr]

@@haukikannel so, now an entry level gaming computer has to cost $1500? We wonder why PC gaming is dying. Get outside people!!! For the price of an "entry level" GPU a person can buy a good bicycle or take the family on a camping trip in a state park!!! Make great memories with your family!!! There are a whole bunch of other things I can do with that money than promote inflated prices on inferior products.

[@navisoul-oi8mo]

@@haukikannel only if "you" buy

[@PainterVierax]

@@GB-zi6qr More than that. This is not entry level gfx cards (eg. rx7600 is only low level, since there are even lower cards) and absolutely not entry level gaming (any iGPU can do the job for that, depending on the genre you play). Gaming doesn't mean the newest AAA on ultra at the highest resolution. It never was. Don't buy the manufacturers and editors marketing or the elitist children speech. PC gaming is not dying, their juicy business is. Heck! CS2 or Baldur's Gate 3 don't even require what's considered "low end" to be comfortably playable. Plenty of retro or indie games are accessible even on an anemic RaspberryPi, an old smarphone or a 15 years old laptop. This is already several years of entertainment without upgrading or even getting a PC. You don't even need any form of 3D acceleration feature or more than a couple of FPS to play some games as intended. And even more important than that : you can entertain yourself on any computer without consuming any content at all, interactive or not. This is a full-featured tool, not a gaming console (and sometimes even on them they are ways). You can learn skills or be freely creative and filled with the same accomplishment if not more. If you really want to stay in the videogame theme, you can make fan-arts, fanfics, music covers/remixes, videos, etc. A lot of opensource games and community mods are seeking for contributions like translations, graphics and sounds. Of course you can try learning programming and all the jazz to create your own game, even in BASIC on an old programmable calculator. It can also be a physical game or even a controller since microcontrollers are very capable and dirt cheap nowadays. Whatever fuels you.

[@HaddBradd]

Reminder the Radeon VII launched at similar prices, with HBM2 and a 4096 bit bus, though it barely had 1080Ti performance and a lot of issues

[@PainterVierax]

maybe the same perf in game but quite a beast in applicative. There is a reason why HBM is now heavily used in pro GPU line-ups. This were defective Vega 20 dies, not really tailored for gaming. In the opposite way, the same thing can be said with Navi 10 and 14 on the Radeon Pro line-up. Inadequate marketing.

[@defectiveclone8450]

Getting close to that 1 million subs mark.. Good luck HUB

[@Stewface47]

Prices are never reflective of these MSRPs and price cuts here in NZ. Cheapest 4070s are over $1100 and the new 7800xt is more expensive than that. I grabbed a 3080 for $800 which performs nearly identical at a huge price difference so I am happy with this.

[@TheWarmestFuzzy]

baller hoodie man, do you guys have a store or something for that kind of thing? or is this just a one off?

[@The_Noticer.]

Nice little shade thrown with the hoodie steve. Totally justified and hilarious :)

[@Hardwareunboxed]

haha just having from fun with it :D Not hating on anyone, just a meme.

[@The_Noticer.]

@@Hardwareunboxed I know :)

[@Pewafamath]

Every week nvidia out here making evga look like a business genius.

[@alphapt9370]

Meanwhile in Portugal. By cheapest models available (and possible to order): 4060 8Gb (MSI) - 351€ 4060Ti 8Gb (PNY) - 445€ 4060Ti 16Gb (Asus) - 530€ 4070 12Gb (Gigabyte) - 645€ 4070Ti 12Gb (MSi) - 876€ 4080 16Gb (PNY) - 1256€ 4090 24Gb (Palit) 1723€ These "cuts" will never reach here, as brick and mortar stores (who have online presences) will always say the distributers dont have new stock, and will be selling the old stock before that new inventory shows up, if at all. That happened in the previous generation, and the one before that. None of these pricepoints justify any purchase, for me, personally. There's no value. As the video shows at 8:00 , the cheapest in stock 4060Ti 16Gb is 759 australian dollars. That is around 460€. Same card in Portugal is 445€.

[@renleu]

Just purchased the ASRock Phantom Rx 7800 XT together with a complete pc in parts. Runs great so far and I finally have an AMD rig for the first time since 2012. 😅

[@renleu]

@@KS-nm6rt at the moment I have a 3440*1440 monitor. Not sure yet if I am going to go 4K in the near future.

[@Arwel22597]

fairplay to you guys for coming back to these cards. Hope you get well soon boss

[@sakibmahmud9537]

What should I buy then? I'm really confused should I go for 3060ti or 4060?

[@riecknicholas]

Have been loving the addition of your cheeky "all data has been updated and new for this video" comments

[@maverickvgc4220]

The 4060ti isn't worth considering even if you need an Nvidia GPU, at that point you're just better saving 150$ and getting a used 2080ti

[@lharsay]

The memory modules on the 2080Ti have a high failure rate so I'd be carefull about that.

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

I see the 16GB 4060ti as targeted to low-cost content creation where you need the VRAM for rendering. For gaming, just go Radeon.

[@lharsay]

@@jasonhurdlow6607 Nvidia seriously didn't consider that a 4060Ti would need more than 8GB for gaming until the last minute when suddenly 8GB wasn't enough for 1080p ultra in multiple new games.

[@TobyOyewole]

do you advice buying a dual fan RTX 4070? (for example the MSI GeForce RTX 4070 VENTUS) I would like to know if there's going to be a significant difference to a triple fan model?

[@firestuka8850]

As always, these updates and reviews are amazing in helping me decide what to buy and not buy. While I always enjoy that every reviewer says to look at multiple venues to coalesce data and review styles to help me decide, I am quite pleased to get simple , raw, explicit data that shows essential information both on summary and in varied amd/nvidia sponsored titles. I am unhappy that there are such high premiums elsewhere in the world for computer parts. That isn't fair. I am still shocked by how much more Australian GPUs are compared to US GPUs Imma stay with my 3070ti and my wife with her 3080ti and just knock down settings until an rtx 6000 or and competitor arrives. Honestly, with how UE5 games are going, demanding upscaling like Remnant 2, we see that we would need Amd , Nvidia, and Intel to do some major Wizardry in rasterization before that. When a 4090 @ 4k can't run some current gen at 60fps smoothly and requires upscaling, the hardware is relying on software tricks rather than hardware performance . We could chalk it up to bad optimization in the dev side or something, maybe, but it raises an eyebrow. I think Steve said, one time, that ultra settings are never really necessary and just high is fine, even medium at points, but for the sake of benchmarks, they hammer GPU's at high settings and that's great. I've given more leeway with my gpu settings wise and had no noticeable difference in image quality , especially at 1440p or 4k. Games look really good at multiple resolutions.

[@alltheotherhandlesaretaken]

Keep holding boys, we need to bring the xx60 tiers back down to $200.

[@Bob_Smith19]

Never going to happen. Inflation is out of hand and isn’t stopping anytime soon.

[@mrchrisknight315]

What are the opinions on using these with q thunderbolt 3/4 razor core x egpu? Does the increase in bus size of the 4070 and it being more powerful beneficial? Im limited to the thunder bolt 3/4 40 gig transfer rate. So not sure spending the 100$ for the 4070 is going to tranlate in higher performance and fps??? Im getting 45-88 fps in cyberpunk with lite rqy tracing high settings on 1080p. I would like to. See my lows be in the 55-60 fps.

[@jensjensen7504]

Question: So now that all cards are out (minus the obvious refresh in 4-6 month) which GPU would you recommend for the next 5year GPU to buy ? Myself is debating if i should go 7800 xt or 7900 xt. Ty in advance.

[@LeP009]

5 years lmao

[@trumpsextratesticle8590]

1080TI's in SLI. Fuck these high prices!

[@getyerspn]

Meanwhile in the UK the rtx4070 models seem to increasing in price by ~£10 every 10 days or so.

[@AnonymousUser-ww6ns]

Here is the answer is Unless both cards go for around the $300 mark. I believe AMD won the round with the AMD 7800XT (I believe it should be $450 given that it does offer similar performance to AMD 6800XT).

[@850DAB]

I ordered a 4070 two weeks ago and kinda regret not waiting until the 7800 xt came out. That said I’m happy with the card! 3080 ti performance at lower power draw and temps.

[@clayy5188]

I waited for the 7800xt to see its 50$ cheaper, and I still bought the 4070. Trust me, 200w and dlss+FG are worth the little extra

[@HanSolo__]

@@clayy5188 "Trust me, bro!"

[@SG-cn3kb]

"3080 ti performance" Sorry to break it to you but this is false.

[@Eleganttf2]

watchout, the diehard amd fanboys are gonna call you out for not buying the "better value" product 😂

[@nerdjournal]

@@SG-cn3kb What based on day one reviews?

[@dalileddineslimani6399]

Why don't you put rtx 4070 vs rx 7700xt ?

[@S_welddd]

As a first time for me buying/building a PC, this video has helped me massively decide what unit to get, instead of just another video slagging invidia for their pricing!

[@Adri9570]

3:09 4070: 4K shake! Revive me pls! I have a Ray -Tracing- gun! 4060Ti: _tis but a scratch_

[@ArkAstral]

😂

[@Kiyuja]

So essentially it boils down to: do you wanna have more VRAM for the potential titles that could use it or get 15-20 more FPS on average, excluding 4K native. I probably wouldnt buy any card this gen but if I had to I'd go with the 4060 ngl...

[@LoukasMayn3]

Does anyone else live in a region where the pc community channels aren't really good advice for pricing anymore because their pricing is always based of the US. I'm not talking just Hardware Unboxed, I mean every channel in general. I live in New Zealand and none of these price drops that have happened this year that have been shown on these channels have ever been seen in the market in my country. Is anyone else in the same boat? I look at my regional prices for pc parts almost everyday and its never the same or relevant to the US prices/drops/increases.

[@Roland_Deschain]

In Turkey, 7800 xt is priced at 650 usd after vat(same as 6800 xt) but steadily increased to 700 usd due to scalpers.

[@johnboylan3832]

How does anyone there afford a GPU?

[@Roland_Deschain]

@@johnboylan3832 Most young people without dispodable income can't and those that are on minimum wage tend to buy prevous gen from secondhand markets, naturally. There is also a lot of price gauging and scalping

[@danbarr000]

The fact there is already a game where 12gbs of vram is not enough should concern buyers. 12 gbs now is what 8 was in 2020

[@hwi7114]

Multiple 4070's going for $50 under MSRP on Newegg and Amazon right now, Zotac, Gigabyte, and MSI.

[@getyerspn]

Not in the UK or Europe..4070's are rising in price ~ £10 every 10-12 days...I've seen the Asus rtx4070 dual go from £529 to £579 this week.

[@notchipotle]

it's weird to see higher end GPU offers more value

[@iHadWaterForDinner]

Marketing has you blinded. No. Trash is trash.

[@notchipotle]

@@iHadWaterForDinner what are you talking about ? lol

[@nipa5961]

Glad to see that the release of the 7800XT/7700XT has a positive effect on Nvidia cards prices.

[@BarAlexC]

Yeah. Good thing. Not enough, tho, I'm afraid. Even AMD lineup is named badly. Full Navi 32 has no business being called 7800XT. More apropriate name would be in the lines of 7700XTX @ $450. I guess the market decided that's a good card for the price, but I'm disappointed. 0 progress for an entire year (6800XT has been at that price since black friday 22).

[@andersjjensen]

@@BarAlexC We can't really scold AMD for the naming without also scolding Nvidia. The 4080 is the 4070ti and so on and so forth. So it's back to the good ol' "What's the frames per dollar again?". As for the "progress" part... it is highly unusual that cards gets price-dumped that extensively that early. It only happened because the crypto plague managed to off itself right at the same time inflation started kicking in hard and people slammed their wallets shut at the same time AMD was sitting on an absolute pile of over supply. In "normal times" we only see fire-sale prices like that just prior to next gen launch. If you disregard the naming, and just look at the 6800XT and 7800XT from a price-to-performance perspective gen-on-gen then it's a 27% generational gain nominally (counting the 7800XT as 105% the performance of the 6800XT) which is a fairly typical generational gain. However... if you adjust for inflation (setting the 6800XT to $736 MSRP) then it's a 35% generational gain, which isn't bad.

[@raptor1672]

Thanks Steve for including F123 as the first game, I totally didn't just finish watching the Singapore race and have Alonso trauma......

[@hacob2004]

His pit stop took longer than these price cuts

[@nerdjournal]

'm so depressed by this gen on both sides. I really need a new card, mine is slowly failing and dying before my eyes. I would happily grab a 4070 if it were $500 and had a bit more ram. I have the money right now for a 4070, but after saving up for the last 5 months, I have decided to just wait it out and trying to get a 4080 for under $1000 and try to see how long my GPU lasts before dying. Honestly, the 4070 and 4070 TI with just 12gb ram makes me uncomfortable. I want at least 16 gb I do production work and have had some bad experiences with my AMD GPU. This generation sucks. It would be nice if my card lasted until next gpu, but all indications are it will just be the same shit, different day with that too.

[@H.S03]

You’ll struggle to find a 4080

[@Eleganttf2]

what you can do if you're really need and my recommendation is, buy something cheap actually to just hold on to the "boat" like a 4060 until Blackwell arrives that way you dont invest way too much on Ada lovelace which by what it seems its been pretty much obvious Blackwell is gonna improve performance much and vram capacity aswell since its gonna use GDDR7 which has a 3gb chip density meaning no more 8gb vram gpus anymore next gen

[@DeadNoob451]

Look into used cards. Especially the refurbished ones. Those tend to come with warranty.

[@navisoul-oi8mo]

7800XT? I still think its insane to pay 500$ for a gpu, but you have options apart from the 4070

[@jesusbarrera6916]

why not a used 3090?

[@meersffej1]

how long should i wait to upgrade from my 3070TI?

[@kaisersolo76]

Not In the UK these 4060ti 16gb are 500

[@marcin7258]

I see some at £429

[@fuzzydunlop7154]

just seen a Zotac 16gb 4060ti going for £440 on Amazon. But all the other models are closer to £500 like you say.

[@eeeeyuke]

Do you think the 50nseries equivalent of the 4070 will have 16gb of VRAM?

[@EarlLapus]

I like the “new benchmarks” hoodie 😊

[@Steven-ex3ne]

The 4070 is currently 23% more expensive than the 4060TI 16GB in the UK (£530 vs £430), but it's clearly the better performer per frame.

[@rickgear2579]

The 4070 would have been a drastically better product at 16GB and a 256-bit bus. The 4060Ti would have been better with a 192-bit bus.

[@nukedathlonman]

"Although I don't think Nvidia can afford to do that because of the recent arrival of the Radeon RX 7800 XT".... Even the RX 7700 XT highlights that Nvidia couldn't afford a price lift from $450 (the RX 7700 XT being priced at $450 is also too much, but that was previously discussed)...

[@Haddley333]

I"m still rocking my 2070 super because of these insane gpu prices.

[@daanw6270]

Same here. 4070 is still around €620-650 here, and it's just too much.

[@navisoul-oi8mo]

Skipping this gen as prices are too high. The performance uplift is also bad.

[@leovanlierop4580]

One important thing to add. If you game at 1080p the 4070 becomes a little bit overkill, while at 1440p the 4070 becomes a must have!

[@MrVybson]

I mean, even 240hz 1080p monitors are dirt cheap and you cannot take full advantage of the high refresh even with a 4070. This argument always seemed weird to me.

[@viralityac]

Probably because there is no real point in gaming at 240 when the difference between 120 is barely noticeable. But the difference between 1080p and 1440p is very noticeable. @@MrVybson

[@MrVybson]

@@viralityac I just don't agree with how many people keep recommending 1440p. I enjoy the extra frames and lower input latency. Don't want less knowledgeable people to think 1080p is useless trash when it could be the perfect pick for them.

[@viralityac]

@@MrVybson if im playing online MP I always play at 1080p but single player I play 1440p. At the end of the day it's just preference.

[@NextGenRetroGaming]

In your opinion what’s the better deal ? 4070 super vs 4060ti

[@JohnAlzayat]

Steve: You all keep saying you want to see how frame gen affects frames across the stack, but I can't understand why. Also Steve: Shows it to us anyway

[@OriginalCatfish42]

Thats great and all but you need a 4090ti SLI to play any modern game like Starfield.

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

249 (8GB)/299 (16GB) and 399 would make me excited. Both of them have a long way to go, before I'd even consider them a viable option... I think 30% is a good spacing between a 50 Ti and 60 class card.

[@simoSLJ89]

NEW BENCHMARKS :D New merch looks great!

[@PyroCatus]

Wow not buying products with stupid price actually work. Now if only people keep this up we might get decent price next gen.

[@mojojojo6292]

Nothing to do with not buying them. Plenty of people bought 4000 series. It's about competition. Whenever 1 company lags behind the market leader jacks up the prices. AMD were late to the party with their mid gen so Nvidia had no competition. Competition has arrived so prices come down.

[@Vert_GreenHeart]

Why in the god's name the prices of GPU still flamingly expensive ?!! COVID came and gone, CPU shortage came and gone but the prices are still high despite all the hurdles gone !

[@ClumsyMercenary]

i'm surprised the prices both 8 and 16GB variants of the 4060ti's are still the same. are they in strong demand?

[@pajda102]

Hey I just watched your 7800 xt review and I'm just confused. How come 7800 xt is on pair with 6950 xt in some games and in other games is way behing. Is it because of better memory bandwidth that some games can utilize it and how this will matter in future games. I want upgrade my 6700 xt and I was thinking about 7800 xt or 6950 xt as there are some good deals especially for used 6950 xt.

[@HeirofCarthage]

AMD certainly makes blunders too. But holy crap...Nvidia spec choices and prices are so bad and yet so many people reward them with purchases still because of goofy mind share. People need to make a decision based off value all the time and not off mind share and marketing ploy features. This applies to both AMD and Nividia. If people keep buying $600 4070s and $1200 4080s and $400 8GB cards...then they deserve to continue getting ripped off.

[@mastroitek]

great video as always, but it is hard to care about this generation of GPUs...

[@wandatowellable]

It really is isn't it? I'm thinking about upgrading some parts of my pc but I think I'll just stick with my 2080 and therefore 1440p for another year or two.

[@mastroitek]

@@wandatowellable I understand, i now have a 6950xt, great card, bought it only because it was 600€. The new gen from both teams are a disappointment, prices are way too high for what the cards offer. Hopefully my rig will be relevant for another 4y from now

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

​@@mastroiteki'm in a similar boat. I bought a brand new 3080ti with a huge discount like two months before the announcement of the 40 series and I see no advantage of this new generation. At least based on the deal that I got for it. Hopefully in terms of both price and performance, we will see a similar scenario with the 5000 series as the one when the 1000 series came out.

[@munem939]

Is that hoodie a reference to the LTT benchmarking stuff that happened previously?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Yep, just a joke, not hating on them.

[@nimrodery]

I would definitely be interested in a "benchmarks are boring" item or two.

[@organiccleanfoodconnection]

Building my first computer in years. By the time I got done picking out a processor and then the motherboard I was about sick of looking. But I should’ve looked a little harder on the graphics card. Of course I ordered a 4060 TI 16 GB and you can get a 4070 for the same price in a different brand. I guess I can send it back. in the US I paid 550 for it from Nuway. MSI gaming X4060 TI. They’re showing a gigabyte 4070 for the same price

[@Fronioll9973]

idc about what people say imma buy 4070 ti super

[@MrSiLenTb88]

Here in Australia its not really cut, its very slow

[@AdamsWorlds]

Price is £80 difference here im seriously torn. I do some AI training with SD and the extra VRAM of the 4060ti actually would make it quicker (by a far bit also). However the 4070 is just better for everything else. If the AI training performance were the same it would be a no brainer paying the extra £80. But it is an issue so meh... i dono. grrrr why cant the 4070 have a 16gb variant :(. If the 4060 16gb were to be £80 cheaper also that would be a no brainer and i would probably get that. Stuck between 4070 not having as much vram and the 4060 being to expensive. Would love to see these charts inc DLSS 2 and DLSS 3 at balance/high quality at 4k. Realistically ill be playing on my 4k tv every now and then with a controller, i expect to be using DLSS in those situations. When sitting at my monitor the 1440p without is enough to go off.

[@any4003]

I'm considering getting the 4060 Ti and then combining the vram with an Intel arc a770 this way I can play games and do stable diffusion and LlM

[@adamh8140]

Got a lucky time when amazon had one 460ti discounted to $280, but still regret the performance for the price I paid.

[@Jaz_3001]

I ended up getting impatient and got an RTX 3060 Ti for $340 in March 2023. I think this was the right decision with this current GPU market

[@wackid2370]

6800 is 400

[@englishboy993]

​@@wackid2370 6800 demands higher psu

[@SunandSnowGardening]

I'm confused why notebook products are being compared to desktop products (by everyone). Shouldn't the comparison be vs. the 4070 ti?

[@gh0stcat387]

I would avoid the 4070's with just one 1x8 pin which are usually the ones $50 off. The transient spikes are really brutal on power supplies when you push the cards. There's just not enough wattage on tap. You need two 8 pins to feed those spikes! If you do buy one buy a 2x8pin to 1x8pin adapter. I found this out the hard way with many tripped breakers 😹

[@Andytlp]

Well yeah the spikes are gonna be in 350w maybe for a few milliseconds. If your psu or breaker cant handle that its weird.

[@iancurrie8844]

You’re not making sense. Two cables wouldn’t prevent anything. Two 8-pin cables are usually pigtailed off the same single run of cable. None of this has anything to do with a breaker going off. That’s nonsense. Does it make sense to you to have a single run of cable from the power supply pig tailed into two connectors, then into a two connector adapter which then brings it back into one connector make any sense to you? Do you think that does anything? Really?

[@TheGameBench]

It's just so stupid. The sixty class should have had 12GB from the start, with no need for a 16GB model and the 70 class cards should have had 16GB. Nevermind the the absurd cost, the PCie lane config (60 class) and the crippled memory bus.

[@vinct7023]

They can cut price as much as they want, I am done with Nvidia. Over the past +15 years, I got only Nvidia cards. My EVGA GTX1080ti will go into my brother in law PC, I bought a 7800XT Nitro+ as I do play only in 1440p and don't care about ray tracing. I switched to AMD CPU's 5 years ago because of Intel policy to change motherboard platform every single year. Very happy with AMD CPU. I see no reason to go back to nvidia. As a customer, I just don't want to give my cash to this company anymore.

[@947Cangelosi]

Grabbed a Gigabyte 4060ti 16gb open box in perfect condition from Best Buy for $375 USD. Got really really lucky I think.

[@NGreedia]

Weird. 4060ti 8gb and 16gb havent dropped a penny here in canada and 4070 is still $20 higher than this alleged "price cut"

[@alexguild]

Thank you. Very helpful