NVIDIA RTX 5090 & 50 Series: Is DLSS 4 Worth the Price to Upgrade?

[@Chytin]

The videostream quality from Richard could use some DLSS 4.

[@VicharB]

Lol :)))

[@timothy-l9b]

in the rtx 5090 card A.I (Artificial Intelligence) chatGPT can WRITE u a (STORYLINE in 3 minutes for your TEACHER in COLLEGE)....i WOULD NoT MIND A.I WRITING CODE for a VIDEO GAME.....not 3 Minutes.....BUt Coming Out with a GAME every 3 DAYS)...i Dont Know WHAT THE PEople is ARGUING about....More Games Made Fast for US....A.i Baby Baby...(The Developer have to (GUIDE the A.i on how to CODE)

[@V3NOMOUS22]

Blurry Richard is more valuable than all IGN staff combined, presented in holographic form

[@deluge6479]

@@timothy-l9b what are you talking about?

[@Slambear]

💀

[@tedcrilly1]

I'll pay for my 5090 in cash! 3 out of 4 notes will be photocopied.

[@neilbrideau8520]

NVIDIA funds generation.

[@nir7830]

you can get a 5070 for that kind of money, mate

[@MrRahibzz]

@@tedcrilly1 no no, its called artificially generated.

[@Jpcraque]

​​@@MrRahibzz...money

[@Nighthunt01]

some of these comments about the new highend cards wow as if they personally had that kind of money in the first place to buy a 5090 lol...

[@marc1981tremblay]

We are getting very close to Nvidia producing the same cards and just locking performance behind software

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

My 5yr old GPU just got a free upgrade 😊❤

[@Kerjunnnn]

What's the issue with that if it streamlines production?

[@21berkyx]

software is reproducible. You can code with CUDA, thats why industry uses Nvidia.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

Wouldn't go that far, but when there's obvious diminishing returns trying to upgrade physically, you have to look elsewhere for performance/frame rate gains

[@namzy410]

They are already doing that. I can bet the dlss 4 can work on series 40 cards

[@mikemendiola]

Love adding in Digital Foundry input to interviews.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

power move

[@Sibfur]

Same their insight and detail is phenomenal sometimes they’re actually explaining things for us lamen terms naturally I get what they’re saying which is awesome and they don’t shy away from the technical detail. I love it

[@manyamaggot]

ign parent company if part owner of df now

[@Pullo83]

The background music + Richard’s voice is the relaxing vibe I didn’t know I needed lol

[@andreasmoyseos5980]

Why doesn't ign make their videos in 4k, and why is the digital foundry camera 360p?

[@Alfi-x6b]

why should they? i watch utube videos at 360p, so that my net volume does not finish quickly

[@andreasmoyseos5980]

@Alfi-x6b because the world is larger than you

[@EtoYouMadeThis]

There’s no need, not everyone has a 4k monitor/phone.

[@darkkingastos4369]

Handbrakin the vids down I'd guess?

[@Zeeves]

I’ve been commenting this for years. My guess is they opt for quicker uploads

[@Glerox]

Rich has just increased the quality of IGN's tech content by 3x frame generation

[@OBITOMAJIN]

😂

[@donalgodon]

Pretty great that some of the key features are going to work with the older models. It would be great to see an explanation of the features that actually will work with the 20, 30 and 40 series cards.

[@TRAV1NATOR]

@@donalgodon im still on the 2070 super at 1440p

[@skywalkies77]

DLSS4 using the new model.

[@Onepieceownz]

@@TRAV1NATOR same, such a great card and I can play pretty much everything at 1440p right now

[@robertkorth2911]

​@@Onepieceownzat low or medium settings 😂

[@GamerZLogic]

*There was a whole chart by Nvidia depicting this very thing*

[@Trythisonforsizeok]

I think I’m just going to continue with my RTX 4090 FE and see what the future of the 6090 will be, and I hope it’s brute power and not Ai.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

hear, hear 🤞🏾

[@elchancho8432]

Same

[@collinague1709]

I remember hearing that the 50 series cards were only able to achieve this increase of performance through ai. The limits of the actual power of the cards are starting to reach their limit. It will be interesting to see how they progress into the next generation of cards.

[@TheTripleAGamerTheFrame]

There won't be any brute power it is definitely an AI future they have throwing brute power for as long as they can that's why they went to AI that is a very nice dream you have

[@TDVL]

Likely, you will see much less change in rasterization performance if at all and newer and better AI path tracing rendering tech that might even make rasterization look like pixel art.

[@Aggrofool]

Richard is right, CPU is very important. Get that X3D!

[@Kinslayu]

9800x3D is being shipped to me very soon

[@AidenMerchant-xj8kj]

i would wait, not only is amd gonna increase production on the x3d cpus but the new cpus they are releasing are gonna even further increase supply by late q1

[@hb-hr1nh]

The 9800X3D will still bottleneck the 5090 at 1080p.

[@deluge6479]

​@@hb-hr1nhare you slow? How would the best CPU bottleneck the best GPU? Or you just like sounding smart 😂

[@TheRafcave]

​@Kinslayu Same, waiting for Amazon to "Ship"... 😮‍💨

[@ThepursuitofHappiness-fb8iy]

We don't need new gpu for games. We need BETTER OPTIMIZATION

[@martineering.evoluzione]

Better optimization for a better GPU and this is where even the PS5 Pro is doing the same thing. Radeon now is the 3rd league behind the Intel GPU.

[@Denders-NL]

This is said by someone who doesnt know what optimization means. What do you want to optimize? Optimization is basically implementing work arounds where you "trick" the player. This goes all the way back to gamedesign and how levels or situations are programmed and showed to the player. With a variety of systems these days (Xbox, PS, PC and its different configs) you are also crippling the high end systems with this that dont need it. What Nvidia does here is that they are giving you a option to show decent framerates with all bells and whistles on without compromise on the experience. They bring Path tracing experience to a whole group of gamers that can only afford a 5070. That group is huge and that group is also prob "gaming casuals". The input lag Nvidia delivers with these framerates are pretty good when you play on controller on a single player game like Alan Wake 2. For competitive gaming the developer shouldn't consider Path tracing at this moment. Because there you want responsiveness. But to get back to the point, shouting Better optimization is not really a thing when we talking about path tracing. Because its a technology where real light is simulated and how it bounces. There are not much tricks to play there without compromising on the visual outcome. The solution Nvidia has now with "fake frames" is a pretty decent one looking at the current technology available. The magic they did is actually Reflex 2. To keep the same input lag with 4x generated frames as with 1 generated frame is magic to my ears. To come to a conclusion; you asking for better optimization. Optimization in games is mostly tricking the player with certain fake situations or visuals (rasterized shadows for example, they are just a copy of all the things in the world. Just flipped and scrambled). Fake frames of DLSS 4 is almost exactly that, tricking the player for a smoother feel. So in a sense; DLSS 4 is optimization.

[@oz5150]

Not on your life. Devs ain’t doing that lol. Too lazy tbh.

[@chriscofer6780]

​@@Denders-NLok Nvidia fanboy

[@Denders-NL]

@@chriscofer6780 Very juvenile reaction if you ask me. Has nothing to do with fanboy'ism.

[@singularonaut]

Best crossover DF vs. IGN

[@aXque]

Remember that 4000 series is getting DLSS 4. Just not the exclusive Multi framegeneration feature :)

[@ELpeaceonearth]

so is 30 series and u can use lossless scaling it has x4 mode too

[@MrJflomario]

​@@ELpeaceonearth "Frame generation bad" until AMD has a version. 😂 DLSS4 should have been the star of the show, because NVIDIA is our only hope since game optimization croaked during the pandemic.

[@aXque]

@@ELpeaceonearth Common misconception. Multi framegeneration is only one part of DLSS 4. That part is exclusive to 5000 series. But the improved picture quality and performance is for 3 4 and 5 series.

[@Aabid_Hassannn]

@@aXque i have a 4060, does that mean i shouldn't upgrade?? I dont really understand what multi frame generation will be helpful in. The quality? Or more fps??

[@aXque]

@@Aabid_Hassannn My recommendation is to wait until dlss 4 comes out, try it out for yourself.

[@Aoskar95]

considering I'm still rocking a 1060 with health issues...Yes, upgrading will be very worth it

[@Steelninja77]

If you haven't upgraded by now you aren't gonna be buying a 50 series. I am not my 4080 super is getting pgraded to DLSS4 anyway

[@Byakuyabou2]

If you are upgrading to 50 series just because you have an 1060, you really need to do your preps and understanding what you doing first.

[@TehLastRonin]

I have a 1080ti and the upgrade is going to be well worth it.

[@penumbrum3135]

​@@Byakuyabou2 At least multi frame gen will be most beneficial to CPU limited PCs.

[@jorgeacosta6698]

That would be like Goku going from base to ultra instinct 😅 The upgrade Will be amazing for you

[@ornamentalpotato]

Seth and Richard... On the same video.. 🍿🍿🍿

[@samthesuspect]

I appreciate how everyone thinks they're the type of player who would not be able to play with a 5070 because they're a hardcore pro and would be able to tell the difference easily. When 90% of players would be just fine with a 5070.

[@mr.surprise2341]

I know I'd be perfectly happy with a 5070 lol. Hell I'm still on my 3070 ti cause I haven't felt the need to upgrade yet since I only play PC games at 1440p.

[@PCHardwire]

I can 100% tell the difference about input latency. I never use Frame Gen because I can feel how slow it makes the inputs. And the second I show people it they immediately see and notice as well, so your 90% take is a bit off man

[@laartwork]

​@@PCHardwireYou may have actually made his point about players thinking they can tell.

[@optimusprime5166]

Im on a base 3060, was gonna get a 4070 super, but i may aswell wait for the 5070ti.

[@Bubblegum_Ronin]

@@mr.surprise2341 3070 ti.. lol .. try 1080 ti baby..

[@SahiPie]

With the new ghosting and quality improvements to DLSS I think the days of the major complaints against it is over. Now if they can lock down the latency and further reach parity for image quality to raster (which obviously over time that would be the case) we will finally be in the real future of gaming.

[@ethannguyen9123]

And you need to pay for it, it won't come free

[@passionate3starattacks230]

But how do you think they can lower the latency, when your personal input is only the basis for every fourth frame created? Nvidia can't foresee where you are going to move your mouse to or what you are going to click.

[@squirrelsinjacket1804]

Have you not read the comment section? There's more complaining than ever. Yes it is the future, I remember when ppl bitched about needing expensive 3d accel cards too.

[@MegaVinny73]

Can't wait for the 9090 to release and DLSS 10

[@46three]

@@squirrelsinjacket1804 Why is it the future, because Nvidia is investing in it? They're investing in selling you less for more, not yesteryears better for the same price.

[@RohitKumar-dq8fb]

The Frame Generation is a no go for me , always turn it off cause of the noticeable input lag (for me)

[@Clutch4IceCream]

🧢

[@sel88q]

just enable Nvidia Reflex man

[@robe4314]

10ms? Really? Come on man.

[@unknowncaller4739]

he has a xbox series s

[@leavemealoneimjusttrynavib2687]

@@robe4314 Frame Gen has been known to hit very close to 100 ms and even over it at times.

[@lukawannaplay]

If my panel only up to 144Hz, do I need over powered GPU cards?

[@johnc8327]

You wouldn’t get the benefit of over 144 fps gpu without screen tearing.

[@FrostyBud777]

yes, cause this year and next, the game devs will constant increase visuals to use it. I thought the same as you 2 years ago, got a 7900xtx, was planning to use it next 4 years, but then amd took FOREVER for FSR improvement, looks like crap, and after 2 years, many games don't have it. Kingdom come deliverance 2 will only have FSR 2.2 per AMD fsr list. What a joke. Meanwhile game devs LOVE nvidia, and will keep pushing games to the limit of hardware that nvidia provides. I really wanted AMD to do better, especially after banking 1000 dollars on the 7900xtx in early 2023. Nvidia has the 5080 at 1000 dollars, instead of 1200 , and DLSS is in KCD2 day one, so goodbye AMD, Hello Nvidia.

[@drblitz3092]

Yes because 5090 will barely get 4k at 120-144 htz natively on max settings

[@evantaylor1378]

@johnc8327 not necessarily true, i have a 144hz monitor and there is a clear difference in smoothness even if my frames are below 144hz. Similar to a high Hz TV tbh. I dont know why you guys always say this lol its like people tmdpnt test for themselves and just listen to what they read only.

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

No

[@haus1919]

With all the discourse about 'fake frames' you'd expect this to make these cards less desirable. But I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say they're going to be sold out for months and have inflated prices for a long time.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

the FOMO effect for many

[@PulseOfMe]

5080 n 5090 not gonna be the case but I can definitely see the 5070s having this problem

[@fabolousjada5070]

2000$

[@danpatrick7176]

I love hearing these complex details explained in layman's terms by Rich here. Sometimes on DF proper it they assume I know everything by the way that they speak and I just try to keep up haha

[@Protocol_10]

Richard has a soothing narrator-like voice, this video could help me fall asleep lol

[@singularonaut]

Game mode with frame gen on Samsung TV's give around 10ms added latency going from 30 fps to 60 fps and picture looks ao better! I play all PS4 games this way

[@ikswoltokyrogerg8460]

This works pretty well with switch games as well. Got one of them little AA boxes, and the switch is looking alright on the big tv.

[@kazioo2]

Interpolation on TVs doesn't use motion vectors and historically had giant amount of latency. I guess they improved latency but still no data from the game, only raw pixels, which isn't good for artifacts.

[@jacksonmullen2218]

i played on my 50 inch tv and bought a monitor at same time because supposable latency... i wasted money on a monitor games run smooth and beautiful on the tv and wayyy cheaper then a monitor

[@beezgb3258]

I'm curious how will 5090 handle heavy workload in for example UE5 (simulations, animations in 8-16k quality) etc.

[@hovsep56]

for context: dlss 4 is for ALL RTX cards. only MFG is 50 series exclusive

[@theicewitch9328]

i dont think 2000 and 3000 series is getting dlss4. Correct me if im wrong.

[@hovsep56]

@@theicewitch9328 all rtx cards will receive all dlss enhancements, so transformer model, reflex 2, dlss 4, etc. only multgen is 50 exclusive. i could post you the link but youtube won't allow it.

[@danceoffAsh]

I thought only DLSS 'enchancements' are coming to cards other than RTX 50 series

[@hovsep56]

@@danceoffAsh dlss enhancements are reflex 2, transformer models, dlss 4, etc but framegen is 40 eclusive and multi framegen is 50 exclusive

[@alandiegovillalobos]

Yeah I’m happy with the improvements my 4070s will receive. Not upgrading.

[@hb-hr1nh]

Not really struggling getting enough frames for most games with my 4090 at 4k even without frame generation, mostly getting 70 to 165 fps on all games even on the new modern games.

[@justhomas83]

Just proves if you need anything else other than a RTX 4090 it's a problem

[@LIF3sAGAM3]

If you have an RTX 40 series card, this is a definite SKIP/PASS and u should wait for the RTX 6080 and 6090 which im sure will be the REAL upgrade. Having the best card from the last gen, means you can make it through current gen (Ex: I had my rtx 2070 for 4 years before i got a 40 series card, I skipped the 30 series as there was no need)

[@ELpeaceonearth]

i agree i rented a 2070 super from evga and just traded it in for a 3080 for the price difrence and it was 30-40% maybe less in some games its all fomo and fake advertising

[@frostyshakes7531]

I think the 5080 is worth it. I have a 3080 ti but I have a 32:9 monitor so it has to work harder and I think the 5080 is good enough for that.

[@mrcrustnasty3574]

@@frostyshakes7531 my 4080 super does good on my 32:9, so the upgrade will definitely be good for you needs

[@arturoreyes5220]

What cpu are u planning to use for the 5080?

[@OBITOMAJIN]

@@arturoreyes5220nova edition intel perfect choice

[@frantz4g63]

@frostyshakes7531 probably should wait it out for a 5080Ti/Super. Probably will be bigger bus, VRAM, and cores for a couple hundred $ more. Issues will be ironed out by then.

[@askalds]

Does anyone know when we can expect to see any benchmarks for these 50XX cards?

[@Steven-t8h]

About 3 weeks time.

[@paullasky6865]

Reviews should start to drop around the release date. You need to find out the performance embargo date for each product.

[@Fliptechmed]

Glad to see your back Seth 💪🏼

[@MYTMIC]

Not sure why ign would post a 30 minute video of Digital Foundry discussing the same thing they talk about for 30 minutes on all their other videos.

[@RizzMafia_]

IGN clout chasing

[@johnc8327]

Ad revenue.

[@danielgreen4747]

Because IGN bought Eurogamer, that's why

[@jaefrmbk2k]

y'all both right

[@ignaciohayabusa8663]

Yet here you are watching she even commenting

[@joeshaw9354]

These were good questions ask for someone like me! Appreciate it!

[@AG-PC336]

I think all this a.i upscaling and frame gen will lead to photorealistic gameplay in the next gen of gaming

[@paullasky6865]

But does the improve gameplay

[@ChieGulliermo]

@@paullasky6865 of course

[@fabolousjada5070]

@@ChieGulliermoumm no graphics don’t make games good

[@ChieGulliermo]

@ then dont ever buy a gpu, you dont need it. Just play minesweeper instead

[@paul68kdmd]

great to see ign showing respect to df. i never would've clicked on this if it weren't for Richard.

[@darmy713]

Great IGN move buffing their PC coverage with Rich. Would love more, or an in house PC expert!

[@sessionstu]

What I'm interested in knowing is whether or not the AI technology on the 50 series GPUs can be updated. Or do you have to wait until the next generation for an improvement. The chatGPT AI models are being updated quite frequently. Can the AI models on the GPUs be updated?

[@rickyneace]

They can be, DLSS is just an algorithm that they improve over time. Anytime DLSS gets a new version number it's essentiall like getting a new version of chatgpt.

[@bobc2043]

Does anyone know when the cards will be “readily available” and around msrp?

[@jackkunasaki5044]

Short answer: no

[@skywalkies77]

Why?

[@Sets.]

Long answer: NVIDIA's recent unveiling of the GeForce RTX 50-series, spearheaded by the RTX 5090, has generated significant interest in the tech community. Priced at $1,999, the RTX 5090 boasts advanced features, including DLSS 4 technology, and promises substantial performance enhancements over its predecessors. However, for many users, the investment may not justify the upgrade. Several factors contribute to this perspective: Marginal Performance Gains in Traditional Rendering; While NVIDIA claims the RTX 5090 offers up to twice the performance of the RTX 4090, these figures heavily rely on DLSS 4's AI-driven frame generation. In scenarios without DLSS 4, the performance improvement is more modest. For instance, in "Far Cry 6," the RTX 5090 demonstrates approximately a 27% increase over the RTX 4090, and about a 43% increase in "A Plague Tale: Requiem." Dependence on DLSS 4 for Peak Performance; DLSS 4 introduces multi-frame generation, producing up to three AI-generated frames for each rendered frame, significantly boosting frame rates. However, this technology's effectiveness depends on game support and may not be universally compatible. Additionally, some users express concerns about potential input latency and the authenticity of AI-generated frames, particularly in fast-paced gaming environments. High Power Consumption and System Requirements The RTX 5090 has a Total Board Power (TBP) of 575 watts, a notable increase from the RTX 4090's 450 watts. This escalation necessitates robust power supplies and efficient cooling solutions, potentially leading to additional expenses for system upgrades. The increased power draw also raises concerns about energy efficiency and long-term operational costs. Elevated Price Point; At $1,999, the RTX 5090 represents a significant financial commitment. For many users, especially those who already own high-end GPUs like the RTX 4090, the incremental benefits may not justify the substantial expenditure. The cost-to-performance ratio becomes a critical consideration, particularly when previous-generation GPUs continue to deliver exceptional performance in current applications. Conclusion; While the NVIDIA RTX 5090 and the 50-series GPUs introduce impressive technological advancements, including DLSS 4, the decision to upgrade should be carefully evaluated. For users with existing high-performance GPUs, the marginal gains in traditional rendering tasks, reliance on game-specific DLSS 4 support, increased power requirements, and the premium price may render the upgrade less compelling. Assessing individual needs, current system capabilities, and budget constraints is essential before committing to such an investment. (All Credits go to chat GPT)

[@Low_Taper_Fade.0_0]

@@Sets. thank gpt

[@JMGauthier]

Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@ShinAkakage]

Going from a 30 to 50…might be worth it

[@Matrix1Gamer]

It raises the question of whether hardware advancements have reached a plateau, necessitating a greater reliance on software optimization to achieve significant performance gains in the future.

[@UnleashedAnimator]

Its not worth it 😂😂 i haventh watched the video, but if you have the 4090, just enjoy it 🎉

[@ryanodneal7001]

that's me

[@justhomas83]

Yeah it's best to sit it out on this one. AI AI AI no thanks 💯

[@justhomas83]

4090 is a beast

[@KurtQuad]

Performance, to me, is cranking all graphics to the max and making them look fluid in motion. How you get there I don't care.

[@EpicPianoArrangements]

20:47 When the 20 series came out... the first 4K monitors came out??? You have got to be kidding me. I had a 4K monitor back in 2015 after the GTX 980 Ti was released... Does Seth Macy even know anything about computers and the advancements in digital technology?

[@froshaka]

if it isnt g-sync or freesync who cares if its 4k.

[@NakedSpaceMan]

The monitors back then were fake 4K with two cables needed to do 3840x1080. Can you be any more disingenuous?

[@williamjake100]

@@NakedSpaceMan Fyi, the PB287Q monitor was released in 2014 and it only needed 1 DisplayPort 1.2 cable. His statement isn't necessarily disingenuous.

[@EpicPianoArrangements]

@@NakedSpaceMan williamjake is correct. ASUS PB287Q 4K released in 2014. Was very capable of being plugged in with one cable, so may be do your research before you mouth off. Still have the invoice & date stamped on - bought beginning of 2015 January.

[@NakedSpaceMan]

@EpicPianoArrangements A 60hz workstation monitor. Oh yeah, such gaming capabilities in 2014 when 60hz was considered the barely usable standard for gaming

[@yapchagi]

We need more and more single player campaign games like the good old days! This is where DLSS 4 and MFG shine.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

13:55 bro tried to drop a Bottom Line & had to quickly retract 😅

[@1Congg]

What about our resolution anything below 4k is gonna look garbage..

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

The 5090 exists as a price anchor, what nVidia really wants you to buy is the 5070/5080. The 5090 is priced that way to make the 5070/5080 look like a good deal (they aren't). The 5070 could be sold at $400 and the 5080 at $650.

[@EpicPianoArrangements]

Guarantee though that the performance of the 5090 is going to smoke the 5080 by almost double given the CUDA cores, RT transistors and double the VRAM.

[@suthishofficial]

Naah they sell a lot. There is no better card

[@bdaniels4627]

People complain about everything man, even when they reduce prices. They could be sold at 1200 and 800 if they want. Because people still buy them anyway

[@rla9889]

"The 5070 could be sold at $400 and the 5080 at $650" This is based on what? How do you know how much they could be sold for?

[@maiqtheliar2]

The xx90-cards are prosumer/professional-tier cards. They're not only competing with xx80/xx80ti, but also with Quadro/Ada, etc for professional usecases. And in these instances a 2k$ price point is not that much money.

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

Will it make any difference for VR gaming

[@Jakabokbotch2nd]

This video features Richard Leadbetter of Digital Foundry, joining IGN to discuss the NVIDIA 50 Series GPUs and their implications for PC gaming. Key points include: 1. AI-Driven Performance: The 50 Series GPUs utilize AI technologies like DLSS 4 and multi-frame generation to achieve performance boosts, reducing reliance on traditional transistor density increases due to rising costs. 2. Latency Concerns: While AI-driven features significantly enhance frame rates, they also risk higher latency, which can affect gameplay, especially in fast-paced games. 3. Complex Performance Metrics: Richard highlights that "performance" now includes more than frame rates, as low latency remains critical for gameplay quality. 4. Impact on Handheld Devices: The technology's potential for handheld devices, such as the rumored Nintendo Switch 2, is discussed, emphasizing power efficiency and the possibility of a streamlined DLSS version for mobile platforms. 5. Future Analysis: Digital Foundry plans detailed reviews of the 50 Series GPUs to guide gamers in deciding whether to upgrade, considering the trade-offs between advancements and practical gaming needs. The GPUs mark a shift in gaming technology but come with nuanced considerations for both PC and handheld markets.

[@justlags6438]

@@Jakabokbotch2nd Ty

[@EXPLORER-hq1us]

Wow bro, thanks.

[@guccipucci69420]

@@EXPLORER-hq1us it's an ai bot

[@EXPLORER-hq1us]

@@guccipucci69420 I knew that much 😅, I thought someone took an air summary using some paid aap(because most of them are) and posted it here 😁

[@guccipucci69420]

@@EXPLORER-hq1us I missed your sarcasm lol

[@fayainz]

As the diminishing returns curve accelerates in late stage hardware progression, coupled with the rising costs of manufacturing, I can imagine a future where the software improvements for older series GPUs are purposely limited much like iOS updates only works on the latest and last few generations of phones.

[@NeroX-nh8se]

Well, we all hate the false marketing of having 4090 performance, but 5070 being 20~30% better than 4070 and $50 cheaper, does make it enticing. I will wait another 2 years, 6070 is gonna be worth the upgrade.

[@excelbelajar]

9070 must be better bro

[@3ull]

10070 is where it’s at.

[@NeroX-nh8se]

@@excelbelajar Lol u guys... I have a 2070 Super desktop, and 4060 laptop bought at the end of 2023.. I dont game at max settings and my family doesn't own a gold mine...

[@aviagrawal5903]

@@NeroX-nh8se lol i got a 3080 ti (95% of gaming performance of 3090) for $900 bucks in 2021. But the 5080 is $1000 bucks and a good deal. What’s the 5070, $750? 😭 it used to be $500 lmfaoooo

[@aviagrawal5903]

3080 retail was $700, 3070 retail was $500. Now reduced to $1k and $750? Interesting

[@E_Gfree]

What’s the lag on an FPS game where you hit 200fps normally, but have DLSS activated in addition to that base framerate?

[@Technova_SgrA]

Been playing Sandland, Forza Motorsport (8), Ghostwire Tokyo, Deathloop and the Callisto protocol lately. Can’t wait to get the 5070 to match a 4090 performance in those games!

[@Clutch4IceCream]

Not gonna happen 😂

[@rkwjunior2298]

​@@Clutch4IceCream It does with frame gen. You won't notice the difference

[@Technova_SgrA]

@@rkwjunior2298 it was a sarcastic comment. The idea is that none of those games support frame gen.

[@chrisking6695]

@@Technova_SgrA I bet that a 5070 will still do well in raw performance compared to an older card from that time.

[@deaththekid6009]

Few people realize that raw gpu power is at an area that has very little improvement, unless we want giant inefficient gpus that are used in movie cgi farms. The fact that AI upscaling can push from 30-40fps to 250fps with a small amount of latency is quite fascinating. Doesn’t mean game devs shouldn’t optimize their games tho lol.

[@topshelfgaming1840]

Ima stick with my 4080 super for now it’s getting DLSS 4 also.

[@Blazemaster9]

Ya it’s sad but true. I just want to max everything out and I’m starting to see the limit with my vram getting consumed by lighting and frame gen

[@mauriciobecker7916]

It seems Dlss 4 will increase performance and less Vram on 40 series

[@Blazemaster9]

@@mauriciobecker7916 ya it could be great. I do like my 4080 maybe 60 series will be the next big move

[@SadisticFusion]

@@Blazemaster9same, I love my 4080 Super. I’m gonna wait until 6000 series as well.

[@KostaBandevski]

not all the the perks of Dlss4

[@stevennocella5805]

Building a new computer right now should I wait for the new monitors with 2.1 display port ? I don't know when they're supposed to come out

[@TakRoYu]

I'll wait for rtx 6090 👀, powered by quantum chips

[@ScoundrullonYouTube]

I've got a 4070 Super, what would be the biggest upgrade I would get if I jump to a 5070? Besides DLSS4

[@gridvid]

Rich!!!!! Good Stuff 😊

[@KaiThouKing]

Cyberpunk 2077 on the 5090 is going to have crazy high latency and ghosting with that many made-up frames. There was a reason they showed only close-up shots or slow movement I'm glad RDNA4 is focusing on upscaling rather than Frame Generation

[@khaledaltaban]

Just turn off frame generation

[@paullasky6865]

This was a very unusual keynote. How little information was given. It's got me morbidly fascinated.

[@robabahanii4469]

@@khaledaltaban you think you are smart? We didnt know that?? Turn off dlss then you get 25 fps

[@khaledaltaban]

@@robabahanii4469 Cyberpunk 2077 is badly optimized on the PC

[@M.Ruslan696]

So as I understand we hit a brick wall in shrinking of transistors. Hmmm…..they should bring back SLI. So that we can get more true fps when needed.

[@Clutch4IceCream]

SLI had its own issues…

[@카를로타69]

Can someone summarize this video briefly? I'm a foreigner so it's hard for me to understand.

[@u0aol1]

Transistors getting more expensive to miniaturise so more complex logic on the board is harder and has higher cost. It's why ps5 pro is so expensive. On new GPUs brute force is getting more and more expensive so more performance is being done via onboard ai and software. The 5070 and 4090 are not 'really' equal, most of the performance is being done via ai. The 5090 is more or less 30% more brute performance over 4090 according to some other videos

[@dizzydella1]

Im getting the 5090

[@chinnerchilla]

Same.

[@betag24cn]

because the money in your pocket is burning your leg? because you want 75% of the frames it generates to be fake? you cannot live your life withput upscaled images? is it vital for you to disipate 550 watts of heat inside your room?

[@kevogames86]

It is a good heater 🎉😂

[@El_Deen]

why? It looks shite

[@poweepiureq3700]

@@betag24cn Why do you need others to justify how they spend their own money?

[@Jman-eg9zp]

Pretty sure DLSS 4 is backwards compatible, it's the multi frame gen that is exclusive to the 5000 seriees, am I wrong?

[@mrmrgaming]

If your going for the 5090, fair play to you. As for the 5070 and 5080, one thing I will say is if you have a 4090, do not sell it if you plan to get a 5080. The 5080 has faster DDR7 vs 4090s DDR6, but the 4090 has 8GB more and a much higher bandwidth. So, if you like mods in your games, the 4090 is the way to go. The 5080 will offer more performance per watt per core, but the 4090 has way more cores on all fronts (yes, they are older gen) The 5080 will have DLSS 4, but so will the 4090. The one area the 5080 wins is with Frame Gen. It can do the 3x and 4x vs 4090s 2x. So in games that use Frame Gen, and if you like Frame Gen, the 5080 will win. Normally, I am one of the first to jump at a new gen, but not this time. These cards are great if you're with an older card now or new to getting a PC, but these cards are held up by software rather than hardware. They feel more like GPU DLC for the 4000s lol

[@johnc8327]

It’s generally better to skip a gen anyways. 5080 is a great upgrade to a 3080. More vram, more DLSS, and way more raw power.

[@mrmrgaming]

@@johnc8327 Coming from a 2000s or 3000s, the 5000s are a huge leap. Even if you have a 4060/4070....maybe 4080, but certainly not if you have a 4090.

[@phatvato7373]

what id like to know is... what is the real performance of the Rtx 5080 without the Dlss and Frame Gen. If its crap I'm thinking of going Amd.

[@Xilent1]

You would think a guy that talks about graphics fidelity and image quality issues would have a higher bitrate stream. Lead Better Rich, Leadbetter.

[@JuanBrolo]

I want to upgrade...but it will be for the 5080 and I still want to see native performance numbers...not padded numbers using frame gen and dlss

[@eklypse13]

fake frames do not equal performance! how about i give them $500 for a 5090 and they can use dlss 4 on the cash for the other $1500.

[@dan-crum]

I'm planning on upgrading from a 3070 to a 5070ti. Do I need to upgrade yet? No probably not, but DLSS3, and now 4, are enough to justify it for me. Full path tracing at a playable framerate? Sign me tf up.

[@adams3741]

@@dan-crum same as me 😀

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

Same thing for me, but instead of upgrading a 3070 to a 5070 ti I'm going from a 3080ti to a 5080. Skipping one gen will give us decent raw performance and RT grunt.

[@devonmarr9872]

I'll pay $1,500 if that number is because of uoscaling and 4x frame gen. So a raster payment I'll make of $220 should do it.

[@Blazemaster9]

I want raster to go away completely

[@lastspoil5547]

The 3080 is really all you need

[@formulaic78]

Depends what you need it for. I had one and it was amazing until the 10GB VRAM became a problem at 4K. Upgraded to a 4080 and that problem went away. Until Indiana Jones ate all the VRAM with path tracing, DLSS and frame gen enabled. So now I guess I better buy a 5090. No chance of that though. Stupidly expensive. Will just have to turn down settings.

[@lastspoil5547]

@ oh yeah for sure. I def agree. I game on a 3440x1440p monitor

[@aviagrawal5903]

3080 12 gb is all you need

[@aviagrawal5903]

@@formulaic78when these games come out that are incredibly difficult to run on modern high end cards… I just wait. Going to wait to play cyberpunk 2077 with the new pathtracing stuff once I upgrade from my 3080 ti. Now I have a backlog of games to play that run at 120 fps 1440 p no dlss on a 3080 ti. Ie guardians of the galaxy, god of war, spider man

[@BonafideJas]

Digital foundry and Ign? Damn 10 years with no competition and finally we get something new

[@yoyodude662]

I'm glad that I didn't get a 40 series card last year, now I'm gonna get 5080

[@collinhalverson4681]

Me too. I'm upgrading from my 3080.

[@Mr.Dodo-]

5080 should have 24GB Vram. Maybe wait for a ti or super?

[@kevogames86]

I went from a 6800xt to a 4090, right before this announcement. 😂 wish i had waited for the 5090. I wonder what the 60 series will bring...

[@aviagrawal5903]

@@kevogames86nahhh I’m waiting to see what amd has. Seems like it could be interesting for mid range

[@chrisking6695]

@@Mr.Dodo- It might only have 18gb or 20gb.

[@colbyrand]

Upload your videos at 4K, it's 2025....

[@benmunckhof-swain4493]

Yes, of course but the majority of people watch the content on mobiles, so why would they bother with the extra cost

[@ignaciohayabusa8663]

@@colbyrand calm down, believe it or not, they aren't obliged to to do that, nor do they owe you to. If you don't like it don't watch it. So easy to complain online, much harder to appreciate. You can do better yeah

[@dudethatstrippy5209]

@@ignaciohayabusa8663 shut up dude. It’s no secret that ign video compression and quality is so far behind their counterparts. Imagine if every company had your philosophy on quality and just assumed everyone watched videos on their phones. Especially when covering a subject like graphics cards, you’re dealing with people that care about frame rates and graphics quality. Maybe YOU should do better and stop accepting such a low level of quality from an organization as big as IGN.

[@colbyrand]

@@ignaciohayabusa8663 The purpose of this video was to showcase the improvements to 4K gameplay that the new transformer model brings to DLSS4, but how can we appreciate those improvements if the video is only uploaded in 1080p?

[@colbyrand]

@@benmunckhof-swain4493 Yes but not everyone watches content on mobile, some people watch videos on a 4K display. If Digital Foundry can upload all their videos at 4K, why can't IGN, a much larger company with greater resources? Furthermore, the purpose of this video was to showcase improvements to 4K gameplay, which you literally cannot see in a 1080p upload.

[@xpeterson]

How hard would it be to put upscaling on its own chip and put that in the switch dock?

[@jeanpierrebacry3097]

Fakes frames and an anemic amount of VRAM is just not worth the upgrade, I really hope AMD gets its game together because the lack of competition is just killing the market

[@13orrax]

@@jeanpierrebacry3097 think of it as animated frames

[@4thDeadlySin]

"Is DLSS 4 Worth the Price to Upgrade?" No.

[@chrisking6695]

Yes

[@4thDeadlySin]

@@chrisking6695 Noo.

[@pistopitpit]

Not a single benchmark for 5090 on YT focusing on VR performance 😢

[@hruthikks1610]

Gtx 1650 is better

[@gokulkrishna6162]

@@hruthikks1610 bro is still living in 90s

[@Imaginesweating]

I am using a laptop right now I think I will buy the 5070 but I don’t really know much about pc so can someone tell me what other parts should I buy with the 5070

[@carzombieeatery3216]

I saw some pics of MSI PC gaming builds, and they were labeled as gaming PCs, with dual 5090 cards, but couldn't see how they were bridged. DX12 games don't support SLI, unless the game developer goes out of their way to make it work, like DICE did with Battlefield 1, which was the only DX12 game that I found to support and run beautifully in SLI.

[@MrMk82]

If ray tracing is not a priority, would it be reasonable to purchase a 4080S without reservation? I plan to wait until the 5000 series cards are available and the price of the 4000 series cards decreases.

[@mrtiggah7]

So I’m a console gamer recently turned PC gamer. Help me out….is it worth me upgrading to the 50 series? I currently have a 4070 super and I game in 1440p.

[@stuartdowson3757]

My big question is, is it worth selling my 4070ti super to buy the 5070ti? From what I can tell with the info so far, probably not... I can run Indy at 4k, full ray tracing with DLSS quality at 60fps and maxed out settings. If the new AI and DLSS4 (which will come to 4000 series and others anyway) allows me to squeeze even more performance/quality out of it, that'd be great. Might not need to upgrade until 7000 or 8000 series..

[@gamingfromjohnwayne]

Wonder how the dlss4 going be on my 4070ti super.hope it helps alittle bit.

[@johnaldridge83]

I don't see why it wouldn't help in some ways, at least. DLSS 4 has been stated and shown to take VRAM usage in games down at least a bit from DLSS 3. I have a feeling that's why the 5080 still has 16GB of VRAM. I think they are going to try and focus on taking VRAM usage down.

[@gamingfromjohnwayne]

@johnaldridge83 it's supposed gives us x2 fram gen and better quality but who knows.this fram gen is not way to go.they drive me nuts lol

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

10:50 Well yeah, the bot enemies in something like Doom feel like static targets compared to other people, so 40 milliseconds of latency is potentially meaningful in something like COD.

[@pistopitpit]

Will MFG work this time in VR?

[@MarbleGiant]

The way some gamers go on, you would think that all frames are pre-rendered like a film! They are already generated algorithmically - all frames are generated by software, either in the game logic or now in GPU AI.

[@BeersYourFriend]

Rich is such a wealth of knowledge and is such a genuinely good dude. I'd love to see more interviews like this in the future.

[@gapgarnace]

This is pretty insightful. Many thanks!

[@TPGKDUB]

Easy answer: If you want the best Tech and got the money Get you a 5090 or 5080…. Perfect answer: If you got a 4080 or 4090, maybe just upgrade your display. Best answer: if you have a huge back log that plays the games you currently play at great specs just enjoy your gaming until you’re forced to upgrade and then get what you can afford. Worst answer: splitting rice from rice to find the best rice

[@aviagrawal5903]

I like this comment. I have a huge backlog and a 3080 ti to run it. Buying an ayn Odin portal 2 (7 inch oled cloud gaming handheld only 430 grams weight) to play my games and because its 1080p, I can get even MORE work out of my 3080 ti playing this way

[@paullasky6865]

Nailed it Play your backlog Buy some NVIDIA shares with your two grand instead

[@danglenjohnson9794]

This. Don't understand how or why people upgrade every gen. I'm gonna get the 5090....because I've been rocking a 2080ti since it came out. At 1440p, I've only recently been noticing slow down. With the 5090 I won't upgrade for 5 or 6 years.

[@ZippyTPinhead]

Great interview

[@timmygilbert4102]

Vram texture upscaling when?

[@jabbathepunk5135]

The interviewer gives me the vibe he has no idea wtf is being talked about. Luckily Richard is a great speaker and expertly knowledgeable in the topic that he CARRIES the conversation. DF are the GOATs

[@Kapono5150]

I wish IGN would explain to PC gamers how to “crank up your Power supply” as he stated

[@cookiebob_]

Just find where the handle goes in and start cranking

[@brunocerny]

The next leap in games and i think thats going to happen in 5-6 years is that the whole game engine will contain the game objects and physics etc, and the rendering will be left to the Ai. No raster at all. Imagine Sora but with a bases of objects so it knows what it needs to draw.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I cant wait for the raster 5090 vs 4090 benchmarks and reflex 2 and the mfg to be tested as well.

[@SisifRo]

@@MrAnimescrazy difference is that 4090 connectors can melt any time,5090 we don't know yet.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@SisifRo a very small percentage of 4090s had problems. My comment has nothing to do with that issue. My comment is the raster performance of the 5090 vs the 4090.

[@12ozMousee]

That’s not true. They changed the input for the power cable on the 4090s a long time ago and even my older 4090 with the old connect still hasn’t had issues.

[@CarlWheathers-ch5xs]

I’m just waiting on the 5060TI specs so i know if it’s worth upgrading my 3060

[@cyberletho]

Scalpers are going to buy up most of the initial launch supply. Unless they have been stockpiling them which I doubt.

[@togrulalekperov1335]

Feels like Richard knows more than he claims, especially in regards to latency with MFG : )