Nvidia RTX 5090 Price & RTX 5070 12GB Performance Early Leak (+ AMD 9800X3D & RX 7650 GRE Update)

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[@worthywizard]

"The more you buy, the more we jack up prices"

[@gymnastchannel7372]

#capitalism

[@Винчанац]

The same moto had a lot of companies that not exist righ now.

[@yerushalaimnehereset]

@@Винчанац Problem is: GPU Market is nearly irrelevant to NVidia. Look at their earnings. Consumer GPU's is 1,5% of their entire business. They don't need to make them at all.

[@alphaomicron8]

@@yerushalaimnehereset until the AI bubble burst

[@solidsnake5051]

most of it is just companies that aim to make money with AI anyways and they dont care if they can profit so they buy all the stock.

[@ty811]

Asking $1499 for a card with 16GB should be a crime.

[@TrickyPasta]

That is why you should be rooting for AMD. Nvidia doesn't give a f... about you or me.

[@HoldinContempt]

gets even better. This piece of shit is only going to be ~10% faster than a 4080Super in raster and they are killing 4080 supply right now so there wont be any in stock when the 5080 launches.

[@SvyatogorTS]

No, it's smart marketing strategy to release a 24GB 5080 ti/super in 2026 with a 10-15% performance boost for the same price, which will be a "great value" /s

[@eplugplay8409]

@@HoldinContemptmakes me feel better for picking up my 4080 from Microcenter as discontinued model 3 months ago for $699.

[@ronniekregar3482]

if it's closer to 1200 and matches the 4090...Insta buy.

[@mr.electronx9036]

Asking $699 for a card with 12GB VRAM in 2025 should be a crime. $1499 for a card with 16GB ??? Fock Off Nvidia...

[@tonydavis8696]

It has the Nvidia name, so Nvidia could make an 8gb card at $1000 and still sale waaaay more cards than anything AMD could release. That's the way it seems anyway.

[@PronounsR4Pussys]

They cant help it since theres so many idiots out there that still buy there chopped down cards. The smarter ones will simply buy the top version and blow an extra _$everal_ _HUNDRED_ dollars.

[@odaharry]

@moreslawisdead Best end to a video ever!!!

[@retoschneeberger4301]

My Rx 7800 xt has 16 GB for 440 Bucks xDDD

[@sujimayne]

You can complain in the comments all you want, but until you start buying AMD or Intel, things won't change.

[@NANOTECHYT]

So NVIDIA realised they messed up with the 4080 pricing, only to double down with the 5080? Typical NVIDIA tbh.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

The lesson they probably learned is that they shouldn't even make a version with no more RAM then we can't compare it to anything. If you can't afford a 5090 they don't even want you to look at them. They would rather use the materials to build an AI card.

[@haukionkannel]

Nvidias Mess up was to sell 4090 to cheaply. They did fix that problem this gen if 5090 is $2500! Now 5080 looks good at$1500!

[@ivanbrasla]

They have over 80% market share, messed up where?

[@skychaos87]

They didn't mess up the pricing, it was intentional, so was the naming. What they did mess up is convincing people that the 4070 class card was a 4080. Now they are trying the same shit again. The 5070 is actually a 5060, the 5080 is a 5070 and they raise the price of 5090 as well. Its obvious what they are trying to do.

[@Moonmonkian]

Sometimes you can tolerate a shafting if there are good games. There's not.

[@schassismx3115]

*Glances at 10 GB 3080, looks like we have another 3 years buddy*

[@Steve-ho5zj]

6800xt has to last as well.

[@antraxbeta23]

Same here bud, we will keep our 3080s 10gb for a other round

[@CisumAPRAT]

Same here with a 3080 fe and r7 5700x, got this gpu for 380 euros in may, killer card for 144hz 1080p gaming

[@WarumWiesoWeshalb]

fell ya sold my 3080 for 500 and bought a 3090 for 499 half a year ago, well best thing I did in a long time ^^

[@biquiba]

I downgraded from a 1080 Ti 11GB to a 3080 10GB.

[@NeddyShin]

Nvidia doesn't care about the gamers anymore. Their primary customers are AI now.

[@TheGoreforce]

and they saw a ton of us buying from scalpers, like sony did when pricing the PS5 pro. they realized the demand was high enough to ask for these prices.

[@jamesm568]

Their primary customers has always been people that make money with their products. Gamers was just a side hustle.

[@andersjjensen]

@@TheGoreforce Except the pandemic is over and people can go out with frineds a whole damn lot for what the scalper prices used to be... Nvidia had to fix their line-up with the Super series because people flat out weren't buying... and yet they wanna try it again.

[@andersjjensen]

@@jamesm568 May I remind you that GPGPU usage didn't start picking up until 2008. Before that the only pros that needed powerful graphics cards were 3D artists. It's only about 10 years ago that CAD programs started fully employing GPU power. Before that engineers used high core count CPUs. Nvidia got big off gamers but got bigger off professional users after that.

[@TheGoreforce]

@@andersjjensen pandemic had not much to do with the demand, AI being able to be used on these tensor core cards is what driven demand, and people obviously bought the 40 series at their high prices. unfortunately, that gave Nvidia the signal that that is closer to the clearing price. I can make the assumption if it's price was 799.99 for the 4080, they will be all out of stalk and people would be reselling them for 1200=1600 dollars.

[@MoneyVideos]

At this rate I'm expecting the 5060 to be 2 CUDA cores duct taped to a floppy disk

[@ajanimandara9048]

@@MoneyVideos ☠️😂

[@necrotic256]

Still supports DLSS, so better then any Radeon in the eyes of normie consumer. I dunno if it's /s or not at this point

[@flimermithrandir]

For 400 Dollars.

[@McDaniel4wd]

😂😂

[@histerical90]

Just wait for it, but it needs to have 4 CUDA cores so they can cut it down for laptops and than to make 5050/ti 😂

[@Anukinihun]

Well those prices definitely killed the chances of me getting the 50 series.

[@Eren-da-Jaeger]

I was waiting and waiting and kept using my 1080ti. For what should I spend that much amount of money ?

[@haukionkannel]

Buy 1030 and it is cheaper than these….

[@temperedglass1130]

Guess time for to wait until 60 series ??

[@crunchyblade6829]

​@@Eren-da-JaegerJust get a 4070. Its gonna be a huge performance upgrade

[@korana6308]

@@Eren-da-Jaeger Same.

[@ilia2178]

Remember when having a $2000 PC was a flex?

[@pira707]

I was just thinking this recently

[@andreasiversen6141]

Xbox and Ps dont seem so shit now🎉😂

[@rkfarms7415]

These days, that $2000 rig is what you let the children play on..

[@Wooskii1]

All to well. I also remember thinking "One day I'll go all out and build a $1,000 PC with a high end $600 GPU.

[@leeuniverse]

@@Wooskii1 ... LOL, I remember those days. This is just crazy. What's worse is we are getting a WORSE product for the high price now. The "quality" we are getting isn't "Native" anymore.... it's ALL AI.... AI was supposed to be a supplemental help in certain use cases, NOT the "standard".

[@carl4889]

This is why a competitive AMD is necessary in the GPU space. Nvidia will literally do whatever the F they want without proper competition.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

this is why people need to start buying amd. period. the 7900xtx was basically equivalent to the 4080ti for 300 less and no one bought it. it's now for sale like 200 under that and it still is an untouched card. what if the 8900xtx gives us 5080 performance at the 800 pricepoint? i guarentee the 5080 will still sell more at 1400...

[@deniso6879]

@@arizona_anime_fan amd-s performance drops too much with RT , that is the problem.

[@lazylemymaitland6996]

Yeah, well AMD is competitive to me Now, I would get the 5090 for 2000$USD but i’m not “over spending” (I literally would be, I don’t need a GPU that powerful) on a GPU, the RX 8800 XT is looking nice, just wish there was a RX 8950 XTX

[@danieloberhofer9035]

​@@arizona_anime_fan Well, I did. Even splurged for a nice AsRock Taichi. Best GPU I've ever had. Suits my needs perfectly and AFMF2 is amazing, as well. Oh, and btw, there'll be no 8900XTX or the likes of it. I'm with Tom on that one, just not going to happen.

[@thetruth5232]

@@arizona_anime_fan I have an XTX. In cyberpunk with performance mods it matches the 4070 in RT/PT, but only since intel released XeSS 1.3. FSR is still a joke. In simracing VR and Triple screen support are still an absolute joke. Both benefit from a little DLSS push, while FSR is mostly unplayable. The XTX does raster and even some RT fine, thats it. The 4080's $300 upcharge brought you a vastly superior feature set, that puts the 4080 a whole performance tier over the XTX in anything that isn't single screen Raster sans upscaler.

[@coolvinay]

Its time people stepped out and played basketball rather than paying these companies 2499!

[@djnes2k7]

Facts, it’s officially time to put the sticks down and go fishing or something lol. Imagine spending that for a $70 game…. A wild concept

[@Chocobollz]

Exactly. This kind of shenanigans will keep happening until people put their money where their mouth is. You guys hate what Nvidia's doing? Then don't buy it. Buy their competitor's products. Even if the performance or even the price is slightly below Nvidia's. Do that for as long as it takes until they cower. I did the same with Intel (not buying their products for 18 years now; I only bought AMD's CPUs since 2006) and you can see where's Intel is now. They got their karma handed to them 💪😁. So, vote with your money, do the right thing.

[@korana6308]

2499 is peanuts. Remember Titan Z card for 3k. I fully expect them to eventually get to 3k too with 48 or 64gb 5090 card late 2025 or 2026.

[@HuntaKiller91]

Nahh I just did that early this year Go on dates Splurge on girls😂 Left my deck and PC with cobwebs Sold them all now what im with is an unassembled Ryzen with a320m and heartbreaks

[@Lightwish4K]

Or just shell up brother ! :D

[@einoleinogron]

My 2 cents. They saw what happened with 4080 launch (12GB vs 16GB, totally different cards). Huge backlash. Now they removed higher performing one and will sell only "one" 5080 which was ment to be 5070. And leave proper 5080 to be sold as Ti or Super.

[@Pointi78]

if they go with 2.499$ it will be almost 3.000,-€ here in Europe. This is insanity.

[@haukionkannel]

The more you buy, the more you save!

[@CaptainHottub]

At $2,499 it would be $3,400 in Canada...

[@sulphurous2656]

I'm inclined it will be, given they deliberately cut off the supply of G6X to kill off the 4090, which has risen to retail prices close to $3000. Been predicting this for months.

[@cajampa]

​@@sulphurous2656Me too I have been saying this for months. All the gamers seem blind to that Ngreedia don't need them anymore.

[@or1on89]

Even more than 3000€…4090 was 1699$ and the median price in Europe is 2300€ (if you consider that the FE is barely ever in stock)…

[@ZackEhlers]

If the 5070 is only gonna have 12gb of vram and only perform slightly better than a 4070 ti, it would be diabolical to price it anything over $500

[@MooresLawIsDead]

I agree.

[@GamerSg84]

12GB ought to be entry level in 2022, so anything above $300 is not worth it imo.

[@adeptuspotatocus6451]

My logic is that it'll be faster than a 4070S at the same price and thus is progress. The 70 tier is getting screwed again, but the other tiers are going to be better.

[@lsnexus2080]

Maybe just get the current 4070 Ti Super if thats the case.

[@adeptuspotatocus6451]

@@lsnexus2080 Or wait for the 5070Ti at a similar price and significantly faster, like 4080+.

[@darkness_120]

$1500 for a 80 class card I don't care if it has 16GB or 24GB that's just too much... if we keep relativizing these prices, "oh but you getting 5-15% more performance than it's predecessor's flagship for 100-200$ less expensive"... I don't care, if it keep going like this, we will be paying 5k for a 80 class card and 10k for a 90 class or higher... It's just disgusting... I know we don't matter to them, and they are making billions with AI right now, but it's disgusting

[@Gofr5]

An 80 class card with what has been historically 70 class specs, no less!

[@SamM-bl9yq]

Nvidia must be smoking crack at those prices 😂 A 5080 at 4090 prices??? Even if it matches the 4090, the 4090 is now a 2 year old card. Your getting 2 year old performance at the same price

[@chanzeyu1]

The 4060Ti treatment lol, almost same performance 2 years later for the same price.

[@jmangames5562]

4090 has 24gb vram…Picking one up used✅

[@Lagger01]

You can buy a used 4090 for 2/3 the 5080 cost rn

[@morpheus_9]

@@chanzeyu1the 4060 Ti is such a piece of shit, its slower than the 3070. Same with the 4060, its slower than the 3060 Ti. Cant fucking believe people are buying these cards. Not to mention, the 4060 Ti 16GB cost the SAME as the 3070.

[@lebigmac74]

Not only will you get the same performance at the same price - and you'll even get a free less-VRAM-upgrade!

[@HForceClan]

The more overpriced gpus you buy, the more they will sell. The more overpriced fast gpus exists, the less time developers are just gonna spend with optimization..

[@DeiLux]

Facts. Shit devs on both sides playing with heat generators instead of actual PCs. Games aren't being played but GAMERS are ;/

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

I blame nvidia

[@Mopantsu]

A 5080 with 24GB may have been justified at 1200 USD. But selling 16GB and 12GB again with marginal improvements in raster and more RT BS for even higher prices is insane!

[@mytech6779]

Cconsidering that 24GB ddr wholesales for under $100, the raw GPU chip is around $150, packaging probably adds another $100 and then there is some fixed R&D costs to spread over a few million units… Sure $1200 is super reasonable…

[@VoldoronGaming]

@@mytech6779it is using gddr7 which is much more expensive that gddr6x say 10-12$ per gigabyte

[@Games_and_Tech]

The problem is slow learning people thinking that ray tracing and upscaling is important 🙊

[@griddle_]

@@mytech6779 average nvidia glazer

[@zntei2374]

But DLSS 4 is magic that reduces VRAM utilization by 999%! AI AI AI!!!1

[@dex6316]

How Nvidia thinks they can get away with a 12GB 5070 when they already had to correct the 4070Ti to have 16GB vram with the 4070Ti Super is beyond me. 4060Ti 8GB all over again.

[@defeqel6537]

they can and will, and then will release another set of Tis, supers, etc.

[@randysalsman6992]

Ain't gonna change but in the high end till at least 2030. Or they might just keep it all the same, high end or not, so long as its a gaming card we ain't ever gonna get anymore vram. "Games" don't need more vram they'll say, only professional and ai needs more, so we'll always give more there they'll say. Generation after generation their cards will sell, and that will prove to them they were right all along, yet for whatever reason they'll be gamer after gamer in comment sections in video's like this, complaining that nvidia never gives us anymore vram. The circle of life repeats anew, over and over again, till the end of time.

[@liranxs]

sales

[@romanpul]

Because they can. People keep buying their cards no matter how stupid they are configuring them and for insane money.

[@damara2268]

Because they are planning to do the same now. Prepare for late 2025 super refresh with either 16 or 18GB

[@jellyfishnexus3132]

Nvidia would immediately fix their pricing if people don't go out of their way to buy a 5090 for $2.500, but something tells me they'll do it anyway and the next gen will be even more outrageous

[@earthtaurus5515]

Cult Mentality.

[@Rhapses]

Been like this for decades now. I remember a GeForce 295 which was their top of the line GPU used to sell for under $1000 AUD back in the day. Motherboards were around 200 to 400 for a good one. Motherboards are what.. twice the price now, but GPUs are like 4 to 5 times the price. That is the level of gouging they're doing.

[@white5866]

RTX 5090 will be max $2000 USD, mark my words

[@The0Yapster]

Some people have no choice. I need it for Machine learning and I will buy 5 of them assuming that the price is below 2200 dollars

[@ALEX336X]

lol I'm so glad I took the gamble on a refurbished 3090 for $560. Been solid for over a year now. I expected that 4090 price but the 5080 is literally insane.

[@LiraeNoir]

Literally the day after Nvidia's 4000 announcement (with insanely bad prices, and not that great performance) I bought a second hand 3080ti for 600€, a strix model, still under warranty, from a reputable seller. It's still not that great value, but compared to the cocaine induced pricing from Nvidia execs, it's much, MUCH better. I was ready to splurge this gen for a strong 5080 at 800, maybe 900€. But 16GB is ridiculous, games RIGHT NOW are demanding more than that with advanced raytracing and frame interpolation. And the chip they put in it seems very, extremely weak. Once again Nvidia is selling n-1 card at n+1 price (i.e. a 60 card under a 70 label and priced like a 80 card). Ridiculous. AMD said they wanted to go after market shares, we'll see if they put their pricing where their mouth is.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@LiraeNoir Exactly, the "5080" would be a good deal at $799 MSRP not a cent more

[@deuswulf6193]

Sounds like you got a great deal.

[@coleevans2487]

Same. A really nice guy gave me a used 3090 with an EK Quantum Vector water block and active backplate for 800 on eBay. I will be good at 1440p for a while and will probably wait until the 60 series, with these idiotic prices, for the 50 series. Then I can get a used 5090 or go for the 60 series when Nvidia has competition again.

[@saialexander1873]

So the gpu price not decreasing at all, i got a used 3090 for $250 around one year ago

[@eustacequinlank7418]

Goodbye Nvidia. I don’t think we’ll be meeting again.

[@heyolorenns]

Just say your broke. Why are u even watching nvidia card vids

[@ronjohnson2760]

Looks like Nvidia needs to be thought a lesson in the sherman act which they are in direct violation of.

[@Leolocs_35]

​@@heyolorennsHey kid, we don't care! 😁

[@bloodyblase3074]

@@heyolorenns typical brain dead nvidia shill

[@ZaesTakeOnTech]

@@heyolorennswait till you see the liquid nitrogen setup required for livable room temps. Room will be ln2 cooled.

[@TridentNine]

These prices are fuc*ed. Coming from a 4090 owner myself. I paid $1,863 for my MSI Suprim 4090. It was a one time splurge and I have some buyers remorse at times and feel I should have just saved the $1,000 and went with the XTX for 35% less performance. Also the money is nothing to me because I make well over six figures annually. It’s the principle to me and the value just isn’t there for me. This is utter insanity lol

[@jamesm568]

You wouldn't be happy with the XTX unless you never owned a 4090.

[@Uthleber]

same here. could afford every month a 4090 but im sticking since 2020 with my 6800 XT

[@sasquatchcrew]

Me as an XTX sapphire nitro owner: 🎻

[@andersjjensen]

@@jamesm568 I have a Threadripper 7980X with two 4090s on three 27" 4k monitors at work and a 7950X3D with an XTX on three 27" 1440p monitors at home. 1) I can't, for the love of me, figure out why anyone would want 4k monitors to game on in the first place. 2) I would pay exactly 30% more for a 4090 over a 7900XTX. It's 23% faster in raster but uses 26% more power to get there. It can't do 4k RT without severe levels of upscaling anyway, and I refuse to pay for a software license (DLSS) every time I buy a card. My XTX does at 1440p native with RT what the 4090 does at 4k native with RT. But my XTX is significantly faster in raster at 1440p than the 4090 is at 4k. So yeah, if you didn't swallow the hype jizz and actually do A/B comparisons 5 days a week: plenty of people would be happy with an XTX even if they've tried a 4090.

[@biomagic8959]

5070=4070ti? is that the worst generational uplift ever? this is beyond stupid.

[@mitsuhh]

moore's law is dead

[@tourmaline07]

I completely agree. Beyond the pricing - this is what is really maddening me most about these leaks , unless they are planning to sell this for under $500 this is utterly pathetic by now.

[@Hullbreachdetected]

And expensive af, Nvidia wants to cashgrab before AMD releases midrange RDNA 4 and FSR 4.

[@sabero5668]

No, the 4060ti was worse, it actually lost to the 3060ti at launch for more money

[@mellowthm566]

4070 super is already near 70ti speeds so that's a 10% shift within the same tier at likely increased cost

[@nfugitt89]

Cannot believe we have to deal with this shit. Pathetic upgrades with gimped buses and RAM for more money than ever.

[@sulphurous2656]

People need to remember that NVIDIA's profit margins thrive on parsimony and being cheap. The only reason they haven't received more scrutiny is because AMD is more visible in being "cheap".

[@catmeow11111]

Maybe you should move to AMD. Better value and less insane pricing (for now)

[@deuswulf6193]

@@catmeow11111 Depends on the content and use case. AMD would be the worst choice if you need it for certain software or rendering, and if you want path tracing or something like rtx remix, AMD won't be an option.

[@PCgamingbenchmarktime]

We don't have to deal with it, just don't buy. No one should support these prices, it's just damaging pc gaming in the long run if they keep trying to push prices up. People need to thing before spending their money. Rather buy a 4090 second hand when they drop in price, or see rdna4 turns out with their pricing and performance. I'm on a 3080 so if its at least 40% better and only $500 that would be an easy decision...unless amd drop the ball once again on pricing lol

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Buy battlemage instead :P

[@thenozar7603]

Pretty sure NVIDIA's pricing constitutes a breach of the Geneva Conventions at this point

[@TheLingo56]

Nvidia's perf per $ is literally static...

[@eldritchtoilets210]

Yep that's why they discontinued 4090s so early. They want to keep that performance level behind the same price tag as last gen.

[@solidsnake5051]

Yeah I thought this too, when we get 6090 its gonna be $2,800, and then 7090 is gonna be $3,600. Eventually no one can afford graphics cards apart fort the lowest end RTX.

[@eldritchtoilets210]

@@solidsnake5051Yep, all of this while they keep cutting down the sub-90 class dies further and futher...

[@Hugh_I]

Yeah, every new gen they look at AMD getting hammered by reviewers for selling their last gen stuff on the cheap, at better value than their new stuff. Nvidia would never do such a dumb thing as lowering prices. Their marketing lives by "the more you buy, the more we jack it up".

[@ChrisZukowski88]

RTX 8080 will just be 1800 for a picture of a graphics card.

[@infinity2z3r07]

the new normal is waiting 3 generations to upgrade if you aren't a xx90 buyer

[@shoppster300]

Im a xx90 buyer and its primarily for GPU render so it makes me money, and I STILL skip at least 2 generations between purchases. That said, I'll be buying a 5090 on release no matter what it costs. its business for me.

[@Shatterfury1871]

​@@shoppster300 It makes you money, so there is no debate. For us, gamers, the generation is a huge turd.

[@mitsuhh]

That's what I did. 1080 ti -> 4080

[@SDKSeizO]

240hz refresh rate? 4K? 8K? Get a decent 60hz 24" 1080p monitor and be done for five+ generations. Now lets wait for AMD to lowball Nvidia again with 50 dollars ^_^

[@dingickso4098]

Each generation also doubles the price. Soon we will end up with the xx90 at $40k.

[@gingerbread6967]

Frankly, anyone falling for pricing and benchmarks that don't actually exist should be embarrassed at their outrage The market is competitive and this videos suggests Nvidia will fall off a cliff at launch.

[@metallboy25]

You will see. We had plenty of 4090s sell at 2500$

[@gingerbread6967]

@@metallboy25 Yeah well some people are stupid. 5090s will trounce the 4090s so, ignorance buys a 4090 for anything MSRP

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@@gingerbread6967asus strix 5090 going to $3,200 before taxes, sorry about VAT taxed people

[@Slayerzard]

12gb for a card in 2025 is insane. Fuck this GPU market man...

[@ninefox344]

So the 5060 is gonna be 8 again huh? lol, lmao even.

[@Mayeloski]

how tf is 12gb considered bad XD

[@MashupsByMandy]

Blame everyone who bought a 2GB 680, 3GB 780 Ti, 4GB 980, 3GB 1060, 8GB RTX 2080, 8GB 3070, 8GB 3070 TI, 10GB 3080, the 8GB 4060 Ti and so on. Not only they reward bad practices, buy shit from team green because it is team green, but then they go in online forums, steam discussions and youtube comments to complain that a newer game could not run on their crappy choices therefore the devs are wrong.

[@fthishandleshit]

​@@MashupsByMandyExactly, morons budgeting for shit tier hardware just pushes this stupidity.

[@Gamevet]

@@MashupsByMandy What choices did they have? I opted to buy an EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3 for my 1440p rig last year and an EVGA 3090 Ultra for my 4K OLED display in the living room for $800 (Ebay), 2 years ago. We all need AMD to step up with their Ray Tracing performance to challenge Nvidia, but they've opted to abandon the hi-end GPU market with their next GPU.

[@pieflies]

This kind of product line and pricing could let AMD really take over everything that’s not the top end. Although AMD will probably fumble the ball and put some stupid pricing on theirs too instead of taking what’s being handed to them.

[@liberteus]

AMD will indeed drop the ball again. AMD stands for Always Manage to Disappoint

[@AdamSibbs]

I honestly think the XTX could be $500 and the 4070 would still outsell it. Mindshare is strong

[@kosmosyche]

Yep, just as we speak, AMD is already thinking of new and exciting strategies to fumble everything and disappoint everyone.

[@michaeltorrisi7289]

"AMD really take over everything that’s not the top end" and there's the problem. AMD doesn't want to take a shot at the top end because it represents so few sales. Problem is, if you're reading about a 90 class card but can't afford it, you might talk yourself into dropping to the 80 or 70, but you're less likely to consider team red, because you've already started with Nvidia. Even if the 7900XTX can match a 4080 in performance and is slightly cheaper, Nvidia FEELS like a more premium product. I've never owned a top-end rig before. I've always gone low to mid components. I'm typing this on a Ryzen 3600/RTX 2060 build from 2019. I finally have a job (and the divorce) that will allow me to drop 5k on a computer, and I'm going to build a top of the line rig because it's been a dream for decades. That means I'm buying a 5090, even at $2.5k (even at $3k after the scalpers get through with us), but if AMD offered something that was even 90% of that performance, I'd go with them just because fuck Nvidia. But they're not interested, so I'll pay through the nose to be able to say I have the best.

[@Chuck15]

if 5070 is this bad AMD will be pricing 8800xt at 600+ USD

[@pgamez4077]

Nvidia is crazy for considering 1499 for the 5080. that should be a 899 card at the most.

[@WayStedYou]

1499 for a 5080 lmao

[@TheGuruStud]

And hardly faster given specs

[@jakefalcons]

You can get two 7090xtxs for that much

[@mexreax4493]

@@jakefalcons amd will gain market share if this is true

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

Absolutely insane pricing for a cutdown 16gb card. This is what happens when AMD is unable to compete.

[@haukionkannel]

Is 5080 is faster than 4090…What NVIDIA would do…

[@tudomerda]

2000 USD for a 5090, Ngreedia can shove the card where the sun doesn't shine...

[@GForceIntel]

It wont be 2000 it will be 2500.

[@frallorfrallor3410]

@@GForceIntel it wont be 2500 it will be 3000🤣trust me

[@anonymoususer3561]

nVidia more like cOdicia lol

[@kurok1tenshi]

They will still sell out cause rich ppl dont care.

[@TheUltraMinebox]

I mean its 32GB Vram. 3D artists would LOVE the 5090 for that price

[@Sarielal77]

This pricing make me feel like living in a parallel universe. The bad version of it.

[@kzip2009]

5070 having 12gb is just a fucking joke

[@AG-mm9wn]

Hopefully they sit on shelves

[@flimermithrandir]

There will be an Super Variant later with more VRAM most likely. I will assume.

[@Reeper-x6x]

Actually,gamers think GPU revolve their needs and that's simply not the case Gamers need to purchase GPUs with more VRAM and those that want to save money and a 5070 with 12 GB will do have that option Its great to have options Far from a joke

[@CalgarGTX]

@@flimermithrandir They couldnt be bothered for 4070super so don't hold your breath. It is part of the apple style marketing playbook of making every product in the stack 'almost good enough' while making you think 'but if I fork over a little more I can get this next one in the stack that doesnt have x limitation'.

[@frallorfrallor3410]

only xx90 cards is worth buying anything under is markup cards also beeign able to resell it and get 70% money back for next gen 90 is great

[@pieflies]

1200+ for a 16GB card is stupid. As if they couldn’t have more ram at that price. Even if they did 20GB they would still have room to put a Ti or super at 24GB without bumping into the 5090.

[@TheLoneWolf449]

Even if they give the 80 series 32 gigs of VRAM, it wouldn't matter if it matched the 5090, That thing has like twice the cores The thing is going to be insane. I just wish it was more affordable. I'll have a lot of exposable income here soon, but not 2500 worth

[@randysalsman6992]

Now you get that type of thinking right out of your head, we never gonna have it any better then we do right now, and that's the way it's gonna be, always and ain't ever gonna change. The sooner you come to this realization the sooner you'll come to peace with it.

[@pieflies]

@@TheLoneWolf449​​⁠It’ll be great for sure, but gaming on a 4080 or a 7900xtx (or lower cards) is also great and as long as I’m not comparing them side by side I would never know what I was missing anyway. I’ve got enough disposable income that I could buy a 5090, but I don’t have unlimited disposable income and I really don’t think it’s worth putting that much money into a GPU when I know I would be happy with a 7900xt and keeping money in my pocket. I mean I’m using a 6700xt now and when I’m gaming on it I’m having fun and not at all thinking about the fact I don’t have something better. I will likely buy 7900xt after next gen is released, when it gets a bit cheaper. I’d rather spend 500-600USD and put the extra disposable income into investments that will help me retire early, instead of helping people at NVidia retire and prolonging my retirement for a marginally better gaming experience.

[@greenbow7888]

Yeah it's like Nvidia are saying, if you don't want low vRAM amounts, wait a year for the Supers.

[@Hennerbo]

Patting my 6700xt with it's 12GB: You stay in my rig for another generation.

[@sir1junior]

6700 XT gang ❤️

[@WaterZer0]

I don't think any game out right now can use 12GB anyway. Maybe if you're on like 2160p max ray tracing, but the 6700 XT won't handle that anyway.

[@ZenStrive52]

5700XT here...

[@Whatdoyouthink276]

@@ZenStrive52same

[@ZerpsT]

5700XT still going strong

[@MacroMihir]

If they advertised the 4070 Ti to be faster than the 3090, then the 5070 should be on par or faster than the 4090 🤷🏻‍♂️ it’s been 2 years!

[@jvlivsakamaxiaid]

You think 2 years is a lot of time...? Moore's law is dead

[@metallboy25]

The technology advancement is slowing down, but they are still probably selling underpowered products on purpose.

[@silverback2773]

Yeah but the 3090 was nowhere near the speed improvement compared to its own generation that the 4090 was. The 3080 was only about 12-15 percent slower than a 3090. The 4090 is about 30-40 percent faster than the 4080. I doubt the 5070 will be near the 4090 but we will see.

[@MacroMihir]

@@silverback2773 I know, I purposely said that because if they claim that you get 3090-level performance for $600, then they need to uphold their own claims by delivering us with 4080/4090 levels of performance for $600 again with the 50 series. It's more on them for advertising like that.

[@Repsikka]

yeah, before for a split second I was considering maybe, just maybe I'll go for team green, nothing insane like 5090 or 5080, but maybe 5070? because Nvidia does have some cool tech in them, like the AI upscale for video etc. but seeing how badly 5080 is cut from 5090, having half the CUDA cores, I don't care to get a card that's still supposed to be high-end, but has around a quarter of the cores compared to the flag ship. I think I'll stick to Team Red and get the 8800 XT for as low as 500€

[@vigilant_1934]

It's tough because for Blender, AI and most workloads Nvidia is the one to go for. AMD is good if you use DaVinci Resolve, Power Director and a few other things. I game too and Nvidia was in my first build but that was 4 years ago with the decently price 1660 Super. I have a 6700 XT in my current build for now I need at 16GB of VRAM in my next card and Nvidia charges too much for that amount of memory (I mean the 4060 Ti 16 GB exists but not much of an upgrade at all).

[@KoolAidManOG]

These prices ensure that I will not upgrade from the RTX 3080 that I paid $700 for way back in 2020. Absolutely no way I'm paying $1500 for a 5080, zero shot.

[@ajanimandara9048]

Specifically for fucking 16gb I’m in the middle of building my first gaming pc and I was waiting to see if I should get 5000 series graphic cards…. Fuck that I probably just get a 4080 super and call it a day.

[@PCgamingbenchmarktime]

Yep I'm still on my 3080, the 4080 was laughable at $1200, still a joke at $1000. This 5080 is more like a 5070ti and they want even more than last time....I can't imagine this rumour is accurate. It makes no sense, the 4080 was very poorly received and didn't sell well...but at least it had the usual 50% uplift in performance ( with a 72% price increase 😂 ) but the 5080 looks to be closer to a 30% increase. Less for more...I really hope they don't go through with these prices, but it will save me money if they do lol

[@damara2268]

There is no point in upgrading anyway because game graphics will be capped by PS5 until PS6 releases which is far away. 3080 is a lot more powerful than PS5 so you are absolutely fine with it except for games that release without any optimization but those are trash AAAA anyway

[@PCgamingbenchmarktime]

@@damara2268 3080 isn't good enough for 4k though. I have a 3080 and play through my 75" TV. Games don't look so great on a big screen at 1440p or less lol. Plus 10gb vram has gimped it. Best option would be to go a second hand 4080 or 4090 when they flood the market when people buy the new cards...although at these prices, im not sure how many will want to upgrade so second hand market might not be that great either. I'm now more interested to see how well rdna4 turns out. They have a.i upscaling on the way, rumoured to be close to a 4080. If they price is at $500 it would be a good upgrade from the 3080

[@greenbow7888]

Even if it had 24GB of vRAM, at that price I would not buy it.

[@lancem7811]

The fact they're even considering this shows they truly Do Not Care about the consumers.

[@Skooma_Addict42]

they gonna leak some higher prices and make it seem like a deal when they launch @2000

[@TheQxY]

Yeah definitely, surprised you're the first person I see that also thinks this.

[@Yoshi_206]

For real! But sadly it's looking more and more like the 5070 will only have 12 GB, so regardless of the actual MSRP I'm much more likely to go AMD unless they also bundle their launch, which i'm sure has a 0% change of happening...

[@alexmills1329]

Raising the price floor on 16gb cards to well over $1000 is insane considering 8gb cards are crippled by most modern games. Imagine spending $700 or more on a gpu and inside of 2 years you don’t have enough vram to play high end games, and a new gen isn’t even out yet. AMD never abandon the high end again, Nvidia is losing their minds over here.

[@greenbow7888]

You'd think with Nvidia doing so well in the A.I., that they would be straight with gamers. However, they despise gamers for taking up silicon production time that cuold be used to make more A.I. cards.

[@N4CR]

16gb is the new 8gb, it's already not enough. 4080 was for suckers if they wanted it for 4k long term but 5080 is truly for suckers of all types.

[@greenbow7888]

@@N4CR Apparently they will release a 24GB 5080 when GDDR7 3GB chips come out. That might be what the top-end of the price band for 5080 means.

[@DIYDaveOK]

Might as well ask $10,000 because there's no way on earth I'm paying $2,500 for a video card.

[@coreyacts]

$2499??? USD???? Might as well have a model name to dollar value direct comparison… just wait until they unveil the RTX 6090 for ONLY $6090!

[@lanelesic]

I can buy a used car for that money.

[@Javier64691]

That’s NVIDIA for you, for every 1% performance increase, the price increases 0.8-1%

[@randysalsman6992]

No, the RTX 6090 will be $3499 to $3999.

[@randysalsman6992]

Also, the RTX 6080 will be $1899 to $2199.

[@randysalsman6992]

Might as well also throw the RTX 6070 in too, it'll be $899 to $1099.

[@SAFFY7411]

A 12GB 5070 is crazy. No ones buying that right? Right? Cue the 5070 Super not long after with 4070Ti Super specs.

[@Repsikka]

let me tell you a story, few years back I was talking to this twitch streamer friend of mine, she had gotten a 3070, to witch I replied that I had just bought myself a 6800 XT, her response was that she didn't know 60 series had gotten out already. point being. We, the people who watch Moore's law is dead, hardware Unboxed, Gamer's Nexus, LTT etc. PC enthusiasts, we probably won't buy, but casual player, it's possible they haven't even heard of the competition and Nvidia is the only brand for them.

[@SAFFY7411]

​@@Repsikka As long as the reviewers make a noise and begin a revolt against it like they did with the 12GB 4080, we may see a course of action that may help remedy this.

[@handlemonium]

​​@@Repsikkatell you friend to upgrade to the 8800XT 16GB or 7900XTX 24GB in 4 months?

[@haukionkannel]

How many did buy 4070 12gb… more people that did buy any AMD and Intel gpus together! NVIDIA market share did increase with 4000 series, even people did say… nobody will buy them…

[@eugkra33]

You realize how well the RTX 4060 and 4060ti sold despite of bad reviews? Yes LOTS of people will buy the 5070 12 G.

[@BatteryBee]

Is Nvidia expecting to sell these cards to small-medium businesses rather individual consumers? Because these prices are absurd. If we take the 5080, it looks like a double-dip: cutting down the card even further vs the 5090, while also slapping on a painful price increase. Does Nvidia believe it can get away with a "4080 12GB" this time around?

[@BangHJL]

Yeah, this is what happens when you blindly worship a company. The consumers are the ones that made Nvidia hold the largest market share and yet they treat us like trash. We have to be smarter, people. Play hard to get with these corpos. Speak to them with the only language they understand. Money.

[@RealWaffles]

They've also got like a complete monopoly on prebuilt gaming pcs, so they can charge however much they want as long as oems keep buying

[@dingickso4098]

Like there is a better alternative.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@RealWaffles Not just pre-built, laptops as well. Customers are starting to wake up and while there will have to be damage control for sure it won't be enough to make them knock it off for 60 series.

[@damara2268]

@@RealWaffles the money they get from gaming is minimal compared to AI datacenters, so obviously they dont care. They still have almost 90% market share even with these prices so they see literally no reason to go low.

[@GForceIntel]

I don't think nvidia is to blame it's amd. They can't keep up with the competition, and the only option to not get fomo is to endure and get an RTX card. If amd would have stayed in the game with similar result this would have never happened. Just like Sony and the ps5 pro. Heck, ps6 might be 800 or more since they plan to team up with Apple.

[@famingo4363]

It's crazy to think that 5070 is going to have the same amount of VRAM as 3060

[@vvhitevvizard_]

same amount as 2060 12GB version!!

[@famingo4363]

@@vvhitevvizard_ lmao forgot about 2060. Three generations and a tier of difference with the same vram

[@vvhitevvizard_]

@@famingo4363 This is what happens when you blindly worship a company. The consumers are the ones that made Nvidia hold the largest market share and yet they treat us like trash. We have to be smarter, people. Vote with your wallet, gentlemen...

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

3060 12GB was litterally trash and lost to 3060 Ti 8GB in 99.9% of games.

[@vvhitevvizard_]

@@Dr.WhetFarts and its totally different when VRAM is not sufficient. 3060 TI 8GB ages very quick unlike 3060 12GB.

[@ea_gaming]

The -80 class costing double the -70 class is insanity

[@Evoprimals]

If Nivida really goes for those prices they're in for a big surprise. I really can't see this generation doing well in sales. The economy is collapsing, and the average person simply can't spend months of their savings on graphics cards that perform slightly better than their 2 year old counterparts.

[@juriscervenaks8953]

@Evoprimals I don't think they will be suprised, i think it is intentional. Nvidia want to allocate gamer card TSMC space to AI cards. When Ai bubble will burst Nvidia will go back to increase gamer card supply.

[@paulc5389]

The average person isn't the target audience for their high end people in high COL cities earning 6 figure salaries are.

[@metallboy25]

I think you are in for a surprise when they sell millions of cards regardless. 😂

[@ChrisZukowski88]

​@@metallboy25So what? No money out of my pocket!

[@insanelymadness4640]

Nvidia: Why are you poor?

[@devindykstra]

Even more than last gen, that 5080 sounds like a 70 class product And that 5070 seems like a 60 class. Seriously they should be no more than $700 and $450 respectively.

[@Gofr5]

Doesn't just seem, they literally are when you compare the historical specs of those cards in past gens. Nvidia trying to pull another 4080 12GB, but actually getting away with it this time.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Iam saying

[@kaylee42900]

Part of the issue is that these aren't just GPUs anymore. They are AI accelerators. As long as the AI bubble continues prices will go up.

[@patgray5402]

So my option are build a $500 pc that can play 95% of video games ever made, or build a $3000 pc that can play the 1 or 2 decent gaes coming out next year... DECISIONS DECISIONS

[@randysalsman6992]

What the hell is a gaes?

[@xThemadpoet]

if you ignore raytracing an AMD 6800 will play everything out so far at 1440p fine - and a 7900XTX will do the same at 4k - native - and if you can do native who cares about dlss. People are all wrapped up in exotic tech for the 4-5 games that even make it look worthwhile to turn on, and even then it doesn't really work right unless you have a ... 1500 dollar + gpu

[@lucazani2730]

​@@xThemadpoetyes. And if you're OK with 1080p, a 7600 would be perfect (I prefer to the 7600 the 6650xt but they discontinued... Fuck AMD)

[@temperedglass1130]

Ask your boyfriend for advice ??

[@or1on89]

⁠@@xThemadpoetmy 7900XTX also does RT decently…if you ignore the specifically Nvidia only optimised titles I can even do 4K/60 on most RT titles with a bit of upscaling and settings optimization…there is no reason to cave in for the illusion that reviewers try to sell at the moment…I even bet that 90% of 4090 sales weren’t even for gaming, but KZbin tells us otherwise…

[@mzza]

So the GPU market will become like the automotive market. Regular people will either buy used and deal with not having niche upsell features or go to debt after drinking the "I need it" coolaid.

[@Fenigold]

What i see: - xx90 class card at 2000-2500$ - xx60Ti class card at 1200-1500$ - xx50Ti class card at 600-700$ That's bad. Fair price should be: 1700$, 600$ (maybe 700$) and 400$ respectively.

[@Uthleber]

4090 and 5090 are just 89 % of the full die, so xx80 Ti.

[@PaulJohn01]

1, $2500 5090 in USA will = $3200 minimum in my region. 2. $1500 5080 in USA will = $2000 minimum in my region. 3, $700 5070 in USA will = $950 minimum in my region. I will be upgrading though, from my trusty 1060 to a 3060/3070 .

[@jakefalcons]

why stay nvidia when they shaft you on pricing?

[@Jogngood]

$3700au

[@bingbong3084]

or you know , just get the AMD cards so youre not buying 8gig 3070 in 2024 ?

[@Nib_Nob-t7x]

Nah, people like you said that about the 4090 but here I am with my 4090 that I got at msrp. Even got the specific varient I wanted. Just wait a year and don’t buy from a scalper if you do that’s on you.

[@PaulJohn01]

@@jakefalcons Because AMD also shafts us on stock and price if you're outside of a few regions USA/EU/UK/Japan .

[@Rob-Davidson]

$2,500 is ludicrous. We're just trying to play video games.

[@adeptuspotatocus6451]

We are just trying to play games, but prosumers are trying to get real work done and make money. If they think it'll make the price back and then some, then they'll pay it.

[@wireless1235]

Who’s making you buy it?

[@randysalsman6992]

That's right, and a gamer don't need a RTX 5090 when a RTX 5070 will be more then adequate.

[@tc8557]

You dont need a 5090 to play games, a 4090 is more than enough

[@miliyn17]

@@randysalsman6992if you play at 4K you do actually need a 5090 though

[@sixstar2067]

$2500 for a consumer graphics card? That thing better be at least 60% faster than a 4090 since thats about what the price hike is. Plus side is hopefully 4090s will begin to be more affordable used.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Better be 80% faster

[@white5866]

There's zero chance the 5090 will be $2500 USD. Nvidia will announce its price at $1700 to $2000 USD max, mark my words.

[@hunn20004]

Now im considering the 7900xtx THIS LATE into the game

[@strangedotmachine9281]

If i didn't already have a 4070 Ti Super i'd be thinking about the same thing. Maybe wait to see what kind of sales happen on Black Friday.

[@hombredelegoreal5197]

It is better to wait until the 8000 series. Even if it's not a huge difference in performance, the price will drop in the actual generation

[@Gofr5]

Amazon prime sales day that just ended had an XFX Merc 310 7900XTX for just $700. Can probably expect similar deals come black Friday. Have had my 7900XTX for well over a year and a half now and it's been fantastic. It'll stay in my rig for this upcoming gen still also.

[@paulc5389]

Just wait and see what's announced at ces first. The 8800XT should be coming out early 2025 and even if it only had similar raster performance to a 7900XTX will hopefully have fsr 4, better RT efficiency and better power efficiency and be cheaper.

[@williammurray7520]

Meh waiting for next and gpu will get you about the same. But better ray tracing. Depends what you have and want doe

[@thedarkness75]

The scary thing about that is the $2500 is MSRP, on demand retailers may charge $2800 to $3000 or more. Scalpers may have it in the $3500 plus range, that is just insane

[@Thunderhawk51]

I think it's insane people thought it would be anything less than that. Should know by now who we are dealing with here.

[@necrotic256]

And all that horsepower to play latest Ubisoft slop.. Mhh.. yummy

[@Gattberserk]

Blame the US gov for the insane inflation and faking out job report number like 250K when in fact everywhere is not hiring. All faking data just for upcoming election so NV shares can go higher and NV can do whatever they want since they are 3 trillion dollar company and becoming even richer.

[@mytech6779]

If people are dumb enough to pay it I say good job to the sellers. The more I watch nVidia the more I like them as a company. (I may not buy their products, but I can't blame them for accepting all those donations.)

[@paulc5389]

I actually hope this happens just so we can see how stupid people are.

[@Apollo-Computers]

When 40series launched, I said the normal consumer would be priced out of consumer gpu's within the next two generations. Here's the first gen and it's looking mighty true. 6000 series will see the 6060 costing 1k.......

[@nintendork07]

12gb of VRAM on a $600+ GPU. only NVIDIA

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

NGREEDIA, The way it's meant to be paid

[@bartdierickx4630]

Face it. Gamers aren't as lucrative as datacenters where they're selling GPUs with 75% margin. They aren't interested in selling to us unless we also pay ridiculous prices. Nvidia has 90% market share in desktop discrete graphics, yet gaming only accounts for 15% of their revenue. The other 85% are datacenters, where demand outpaces supply.

[@Dexion845]

Right basically we are now being punished for their success, the success we gave them. Truly a massive stab in the back to the hand that fed them.

[@borealis8uno]

I am puzzeld by how NVIDIA can't understand that a guy who owns an old 1080Ti with 11 GiB, paid ~$1000 is likely to have refused to upgrade it with something less than 16 GiB, and now with less than 24 GiB: after 4 (FOUR) generations I expect a quality upgrade, I want to have more than double in all aspects for the same price as back then. And let's not talk about power consumption, and the size of the heat sinks: there is no longer a medium-high-performance card that fits in 2 slots. The 1080Ti was also available in a blower version, convenient for small ITX builds, while after the 3090 there was no longer any offer of powerful but compact cards...

[@Tyiriel]

7900XTX looks pretty damn good right about now

[@bluemuscle2]

I hope the prime sale is still going for 798 for merc 7900xtx

[@N4CR]

Yeah if you are running 4k and don't want to pay 3k for a 5090, XTX is the only way to go currently. 20-22gb in modded games and 16gb is already borderline in 2 current games.

[@Gattberserk]

The upcoming 8800 XTX should be damn good as well... given it should be as fast but only half the launch price of 7900 XTX.

[@Hullbreachdetected]

AMD 7900XT and 7900XTX are very well priced and way better value than 5070, or pretty much the rest of 5000 series Nvidia.

[@Hullbreachdetected]

​@N4CR buy a Sapphire nitro+ 7900XTX and a vector2 waterblock, and you can OC the card to 3000+ MHz easy, will close a 4090 without RT on. And at third price... it will easily last through the next gen.

[@anupj779]

I remember there was a time when latest 70 segment cards where used to be faster then previous 80 segment card , quiet a good old days

[@Gadtkaz]

Hell they used to straight up match a last gen top flagship! Even 3.5gb gate was more than the 780ti's 3gb.

[@GrainGrown]

"where used to be"? *than " , quiet a good old"? Sheesh your English skills suck.

[@Kcolonel_69]

Was waiting for 5080 at 900 bucks... Now I think I'll stick with my 4060 laptop for couple of years.

[@arkyr1570]

so if amd releases the 8800xt with 4080 performance @ 550 we are all moving to amd right

[@TIMMAYY7]

Sadly, no, 90% would still buy Nvidia. Even a $699 5070 12GB. Nvidia's mindshare is too strong now.

[@ChrisZukowski88]

100% doing that when I build my pc next year

[@UbanGerd]

as if

[@miliyn17]

Unless AMD releases an actual competitor to DLSS or actually brings usable ray tracing performance, no we aren’t moving

[@jakefalcons]

Already there, bud. Waters fine. So many people refuse to even entertain the idea, though.

[@Christiaan-qj8fi]

They're smoking crack if they think those are reasonable prices lol. I really struggle to see myself buying an nvidia GPU any time within 5 years at anywhere near these prices.

[@haukionkannel]

Does not matter! 88% of the rest customers are willing to buy NVIDIA!

[@ProtectusCZ]

@@haukionkanneland brain dead fans are the reason Nvidia will continue milk everybody.

[@thedarkness75]

@@haukionkannel but they aren’t willing to buy. The 88% share you mention is mostly not home consumers a big portion of that is AI. Also, There comes a point in consumer pricing where your competition isn’t your peers but life and your amenities. You may be willing to spend $4000 on a GPU from scalper but the average Joe who would’ve paid $1500 won’t buy it at all and decide he wants to buy a motorcycle or redo his living room.

[@haukionkannel]

⁠ Do you think that NVIDIA care who buys those GPUs? As long as they get their money?

[@damara2268]

@@thedarkness75 nvidia has above 80% in the steam HW survey.. so that is true for gaming. For AI its more like 98:2

[@CyberJedi1]

1999-2499 is a huge gap, 1999 is salty but still palatable for some people, 2499 is insane land already. I really doubt they would make an almost $1000 jump from the 4090 to the 5090, its ludicrous even for Nvidia.

[@MrHav1k]

12GB on the 5070..... $1500 for 16GB of ram..... KEKW!!! Nvidia has lost their dang mind. If the 5090 is above $2100 they're CRAZY and that won't be worth it either. 8800XT is gonna be the best buy next generation period even if it's $600.

[@N4CR]

DLSS isn't going to upscale your ram xD

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Alot of people are gonna buy that 5090...

[@devindykstra]

Didn't Nvidia learn their lesson with the 4080? That card sold TERRIBLY compared to the 4090 and 4070 because it was way too expensive at $1200. So much so that they needed to effectively drop it by $200 in the Super refresh. Now they're gonna try the same thing again? With specs THAT cut down from the flagship? No way! Nobody is gonna buy the 5080!

[@haukionkannel]

People who can not afford $2500 5090 will buy 5080…

[@korana6308]

They d. care. they get most of their money from data centers, ai and miners. Gamers are like a few % of that.

[@WaterZer0]

The specs are not cut down. The 4080 and 5080 don't even use the same chip as the 4090/5090 which is why the RAM is much smaller because it presumably has a worse memory controller (or is limited on capacity). Not defending them btw; it's disgusting.

[@TheQxY]

I don't think the 40/5080 are useful as actual products for them, as much as it functions as a way to separate the 'gamer tier' 70 series to the 'prosumer' tier 90 series.

[@damara2268]

Nvidia does not want to sell many of those chips for gaming when they can sell them at 10x higher price to AI datacenter.

[@Vetrayer-f5g]

Nvidia fansboys are going to swallow the whole price, that's why they don't care about price performance anymore, even DLSS made companies lazy in optimizing their games, technology that they praise.

[@pogz]

Those 5000 series prices look shockingly bad

[@Waldoe16]

This is what happens for paying expensive gpu prices instead of saying "no" so they decrease pricing to something reasonable. Same as Iphones, consoles, subs.

[@Thunderhawk51]

Exactly. We can only blame ourselves for this. Or those who keep feeding the beast. People have no concept of the value of money.

[@zeevdrifter2707]

Consumers are sheep and the source of their own woes.

[@zf8496]

@@zeevdrifter2707 100%

[@out_fur_blood]

I am glad I bought a 7900XTX 1.5 years ago. I am planning on keeping it at least 4 more years.

[@IndieAuthorX]

I feel like creatives and AI people are the market for these high end cards while the gaming market will buy old gen or lower tier once they realize maxing out 4k monitors is just too expensive.

[@ivanbrasla]

Bingo!

[@lucazani2730]

My steam library is full of old wonderful games I bought for a buck or two (3€ for the witcher 3 as an example) during steam sales and I have yet to play. While new games are 100€ and you also need a 2000€ graphics card to play them. Wukong and space marine seems good games, but I can't put myself in debt to play them instead of Elden Ring or some good indies

[@richardhunter9779]

@@lucazani2730 You can always play them later bro, don't sweat it. Heck, play Space Marine 1 if you haven't, it's good.

[@damara2268]

using 4K is very easy nowadays as every game has DLSS. even 4K DLSS performance looks way better than 1080p native.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

I worked this bs out back in 2014 when I was an early 4k adopter, Realised it's stupid as back then needed 2 cards in SLI, Ended up dropping back down to 1440p and now I don't have to try and keep up both in frames rates or stupid gpu prices.

[@Fantomas24ARM]

5070 with 4070 ti comparable performance is SO BAD. I remind you that 3070 was beating 2080ti so it is basically 5060 disguised as 5070.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

4070 Ti was a 4080/12GB after all ;)

[@tek3576]

4070 ti base?? Or the Super?

[@tek3576]

If they updated it to be somewhere between the super and 4080 then maybe it's worth the price point but the low VRAM is still trash. 500 if it's 12GB, 600 if it's 16GB

[@b.j.blazkowicz9169]

3060 still kicking ass as the best value card to come out in the last five years from NVidia side. The fact they still are going to try and push out 8 GB cards at the low tiers and have less VRAM than a card two gens ago is downright hilarious.

[@davea99]

RDNA 4 looking better and better each day

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Why? It will be only lowend and midrange. RX 8800 XT is gonna have 64 CU. RX 7800 XT has 60 CU. How much performance can an additional 4 CUs + architectural/production improvements provide?

[@Notional2006]

No it doesn't. Crap performance, because no high end. Shitty rt performance again again again. If rdna cannot 5-6 fold rt performance, they might as well just leave the market to Intel, who made better rt on their first gen card. How embarrasing.

[@Gattberserk]

@@GreyDeathVaccine They just need to provide 4080 Super performance at $400+ pricing and it will win everyone over. Nuff said. People just want to play games, its not hard.

[@bryanbowen4193]

The problem is the efficiency for higher throughput.

[@userblame632]

@@GreyDeathVaccine I dont mind no top end performance if its priced accordingly. I have a 4090 and its honestly too strong imo, I dont use it for anything else other than gaming. I guess path tracing in cyberpunk is literally the only thing that can bring it down, and I have to purposely upscale to 4K and then back down to 1440p 💀 (this is including frame generation though to be fair). Anyway, vast majority of games do not need this power. I would be glad with a gpu that can run every game and is priced accordingly

[@seanpauli9423]

Alright, that’s it. Liked to update my pc. But due to that pricing I invest the 3500 in a home gym. Should get some good things at black friday. Cya nvidia!

[@MiltonGeorges]

This Nvidia pricing is bat shit crazy, given that all of these games are targeting a base level PS5. I love PC gaming as well, but not for _thousands_ of dollars more.

[@TheGuruStud]

I've said 2,500-3K since the beginning 😂😂. 12GB even more lulz. Schmucks are taking out loans to buy em. Nvidia isn't a gaming company, so why not jack it up? Buying $520 6800XT 2 yrs ago makes me a genius. It slays. It'll last long enough for rdna5 and 4K oled upgrade.

[@jackofthecoke]

For reals. It feels like card prices have just gotten insane.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

The angle I keep seeing people ignore about NVIDIA is that gamers are no longer their customers. That RAM and silicon can make a $10,000 AI card that some moron thinks will make him rich through autogenerated "art" and until the penny drops on generative AI then Nvidia actively doesn't want us to buy their cards.

[@XashA12Musk]

4k oled upgrade is on my bucket list too

[@vigilant_1934]

To be fair, 32 GB is enough to compete with workstation cards for AI programs. This is why people were doubting Nvidia would give gamers 32 GB since that's what AI and other workstation people want. A 32 GB RTX 5000 ADA Generation workstation card costs $4000. A 48 GB RTX 6000 ADA Generation card costs $6800. $2500 sounds like a steal now huh.

[@damara2268]

Most people think they need new gpu but they dont. As long as your GPU is faster than whats in the current playstation, you are able to play anything because game graphics are capped by performance of current PS. If you absolutely need to have super ultra RTX 4K 120Hz for that 5% better visual experience then prepare to pay thousands of $.

[@jbutler501]

Intro and outro is cinema

[@jeffolivr]

I got a MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090 (great card, btw) for ~$1600 last week, which in my country can be considered a good deal, since it normally costs ~$2500. I guess I made the right choice, because if the 5090 MSRP is close to $2500, it will cost around $4000 here :/

[@darkschneider8508]

I was thinking the same thing, good move. Also since you consider you don't get more performance per dolllar most likely.

[@lockslee]

It's a sad situation for us gamers being second class customers to crypto and now ai. I had to shift to the used market and picked up an RX 6800 for $275 on ebay 2 months ago. Unforunately VRChat needs a ton of VRAM and even 16GB isn't enough at large music events, so I'm happy the used market is still affordable.

[@Wasmachineman]

stop playing that unoptimized piece of shit hellhole of a game t. 7000 hours in the Pug

[@cristainrodriguez5845]

Those prices are terrible

[@bgtubber]

GTX 1080 Ti - 11GB VRAM. RTX 5070 almost a decade later - 12GB VRAM. Feels bad, man. 🙁

[@TheKayack1]

heh, the RTX 3070 8GB exists

[@amokana]

Suddenly a PS5 pro at 700 isn't so bad after all

[@XashA12Musk]

but ps5 pro doesn't give 4090 or 7900xtx level of performance

[@richardhunter9779]

@@XashA12Musk yup, it's like a 3070 ti.

[@mitsuhh]

@@richardhunter9779 The system isn't even out yet...

[@TheLingo56]

It's honestly why I wasn't shocked at all at the pricing. GPU pricing has been so absurd for years now that $700 for the PS5 Pro seems as cheap as they could go in this ridiculous market...

[@misericorde360]

@@richardhunter9779 Indeed, but game development is heavily optimized on console hardware.

[@jm8080ful]

This is bad news, I don't have any kidneys left to sell anymore. I guess I'd be skipping this gen.

[@justfun5479]

You could sell one of your lung 😂

[@dolpoof2335]

You can sell your liver.

[@hockey1973]

The consumer: "These NVIDIA prices are insane!!!" Me: "So. . . don't buy it?" I mean, we didn't buy the 9000 series CPU's from AMD which forced them to course correct. Why can't we do the same for NVIDIA?

[@earthtaurus5515]

Because of 1)Fanatical cult purchasers of Nvidia products. 2)Intel fumbled big time and their reputation is in the sewage processing outlet pipe at present, so AMD is deemed to have viable offerings in terms of new products but AMD also fumbled with their launch causing them to course correct. Intel's 12th gen are still okay but in terms of socket longevity? Nope. Better off going AM4 if you really good bang for you buck, but the biggest caveat is that since OEM's have been shoving too much voltage into the CPUs... reliability in the 2nd hand market is on a downgrade trajectory.

[@samparkony]

Wow those price if true are absolutely insane! The 5090 being over 2k I can kinda understand, tho its still ridiculous, as its more of like a titan tier with potentional way better performance and much more vram than the 4090. But the 5080 being 1200 to 1500?!?!? It still has 16gb of vram and potential similar performance to the 4090 at similar price? Even if its like 10% or slightly more in raster than the 4090, why wouldnt you just buy a used 4090? Please people for the love of god dont buy nvidia gpus at those prices!!! It will only encourage them more!

[@haukionkannel]

Do you remember what people did write in forums with 4000 series? The same thing! What did happen… NVIDIA market share did go up! Don`t count on customers. Yheymlove their NVIDIA!

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@haukionkannel 4000 series wasn't nearly as cut down, they have been shltting on low-end for quite some time without a care but we've seen them release a super refresh when their high-end wasn't selling. Same thing will happen here, 5080ti at minimum if not another refresh once new RDNA and battlemage GPUs are out.

[@haukionkannel]

⁠ They will sure release 5080 super when 3gb memory chips are awailable. Ofcourse! But i expect the price increase closer 4090

[@N4CR]

@@haukionkannel no they won't because it cuts into AI sales. They don't want to give you VRAM, I don't know why you nvidia people don't have the brain to see it. 16gb is already not enough for 4k going forward (2 games max it out), mods 20-22gb... 16gb is toast if you aren't running 1080/1440.

[@indexclone8130]

AMD: No GPU this year on the mid or high range. ARC: Help me I'm dying. Nvidia: It's the most wonderful time of the year! (Proceeds to make it rain dollars for them).

[@WesternHypernormalization]

AMD and Intel proceed to choke to death on the dollars like turkeys.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

I'm mainly interested in older games because I haven't had time to play in the last few years and my last card died. Intel Arc is average in Directx9 games. But I'd also like to try RayTracing to see what all the fuss is about. I intel fixes their drivers for older games maybe I will buy it, since it has better RT than AMD.

[@mjkittredge]

Who said AMD wasn't going to have a mid-range GPU? I only heard they weren't trying to make a high end flagship GPU to compete with the 5090

[@mjkittredge]

@@GreyDeathVaccine RT is disappointing in all but a few games. I've turned the option on and didn't notice a difference in a lot of games I played. It's a niche gimmick. Unless you plan on playing one of the games that makes heavy use of RT, don't bother.

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@@mjkittredgenot to mention is only about 49% of dx12 games anyways.

[@Neepz71]

Nvidia considering $2500 for a 5090 and $1500 for a mid tier 5080 with only 16gb of memory? Lunacy, absolute lunacy.

[@anonyshinki]

Now even older second hand GPUs will rise in price a lot! Thanks Nvidia!

[@Gattberserk]

i am sticking to my 1080 Ti for another 6 years, should be no problem hehe.

[@justfun5479]

​@@GattberserkSadly, no.

[@toppojaiwant]

Gaming has become a luxury now at least for PC these days. God, I still remember those old days where you can just by a normal pc and play any game.

[@kerotomas1]

The 5070 will be faster than the 4070Ti? Wow that’s amazing sooo crazy :O such generational uplift

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Nope, it will be just as fast in raster and only better in RT :D

[@josephmazor725]

New intro music slaps and that cut at the end is perfection!