NVIDIA's Partners Should Worry: RTX 5090 Founders Edition Tear-Down & Disassembly

[@GamersNexus]

Ton more testing on the way! Also starting to prep for the AMD 9070 cards (sounds like that'll be March). Any test requests for the RTX 50 series? Is there more interest in latency or production testing? Watch our thermal engineering & PCB discussion! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6GTfnivbaepj7s Watch our NVIDIA RTX 5090 review & benchmarks! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIi2nYJ5lM-cgrM

[@NCSGeek]

Thanks for all of your and your team's work

[@Holy_Hobo]

Definitely am interested in seeing latency/stability comparisons due to the PCIE and display port interconnects. That's one of the main things that worries me with these cards.

[@frityrgryten]

Thermals in smaller form-factor compared to traditional cooling design would be nice (Since NVIDIA went heavy on the SFF-ready claim) :)

[@justincase9471]

Why is there a low freq. noise in the first 7 minutes of the video? It's a bit annoying 😅

[@ChusoSkever]

Really interested in benchmarks for the 5080, 70ti and 70. Thanks Steve!

[@DrathVader]

The cooler is by far the most impressive thing about this generation

[@edumeli02]

For sure. Nvidia really has some of the brightest minds in the engineering department. Absolutely world-class

[@x86FTW]

@@edumeli02 Memory hitting 90C+ doesn't exactly suggest great engineering. Overly complex heatsink design requiring exotic solutions like liquid metal, and connectors for PCI-E that can corrode with time and affect signalling imply poor design but great asthetics.

[@wellallnasib]

@@x86FTW Yeah I am really worried about the liquid metal (not that I will buy one) but I hope it does not leak like PS5 and its the melting connector all over again.

[@davitdavid7165]

Agree. I think 2 slots was them flexing, they could go up to 3 for the 6090 and fix basically all issues it has

[@MusikAstronaut]

Yeah the cooler on my 4090 suprim is pretty cool aswell o.O

[@Yottenburgen]

intriguingly this means that if the PCIE module is damaged, it should be simple to replace.

[@GamersNexus]

Excellent point.

[@jpJOJOrh]

Ohhhh you are right!

[@SuperStareGry]

Very easy all for just 500usd.

[@fug33]

Only if nvidia will provide individual parts, so you can replace them. Also imagine the sweaty hands while replacing an essential part of your 2000+usd component..

[@ijustsawthat]

Unless it's custom made.

[@JXSnWp]

I gotta say, the airflow animations are SO useful in not only education but build planning for a new PC.

[@CaveyMoth]

PC Building Simulator needs to add this as a feature

[@xlr555usa]

​@@CaveyMothyou play that game? This freaks me out.

[@CaveyMoth]

@@xlr555usa Nahh, I've just heard of it and seen some let's plays, lol

[@bassman8315]

@@JXSnWp r u guys dumb

[@be0wulfmarshallz]

Yeah its great. Also I dont think partners need to worry because the FEs will sell out instantly.

[@UNSCCaptainNeal]

As a former phone repair tech, did anyone else tense up when Steve started to use the flathead screwdriver to unclip the LED cable and the ZIF connectors for the fans? I know I did. I was scared about the driver slipping and taking the connector with it. 15:18

[@knexfan100]

Yep....

[@scott9269]

ET here, yeah that was dicey. Should have used anti-static or plastic tweezers.

[@alexmills1329]

Ohh I’ve made that mistake before 😂😂

[@UnivegaSuperSport]

As a watch repairer, I shared the tension. Peg wood, plastic, fiber glass, use the plastic pry he's used to get the X off. Also, waving that soiled q-tip around directly over the pcb had me tense. If your not in the act of applying it, get it away from the pcb.

[@richard-davies]

Old Athlon XP flashbacks when you either cracked the die or put a hole through the board, or both

[@hawgietonight]

Steve: "We keep liquid metal separate because stray droplets can destroy electronics". Also Steve: swings q-tip full of liquid metal over the board of the only 5090 they have for testing.

[@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole]

Gallium is extremely damaging to aluminum, to the point where it infects the entire piece and turns it into essentially tortilla chip brittleness. Really odd stuff.

[@mduckernz]

@@HaarschmuckfachgeschafttadpoleYes, just like mercury (which is why it is absolutely banned from being taken on aluminium aircraft in any quantity at all). It’s because it dissolves into it, and disrupts the surface level oxide formation. Aluminium is actually a very reactive metal, “rusting” (oxidising) very rapidly in air… but the oxide is normally very tough and does not flake off like rust does. This is what anodising does on purpose, by the way - makes a thick and tough oxide coating. But mercury and gallium destroy the ability of the oxide to stick to the surface, and it just all flakes away and the metal turns crumbly, just like heavily rusted iron does.

[@you2be839]

That's also what I immediately thought: "why is he weaving the q-tip full of liquid metal over the PCB?"!!

[@riccochet704]

The amount of engineering in that design is actually impressive.

[@jonathanjones7751]

They’re worth as much as apple. I’d hope so.

[@faceurhell]

@jonathanjones7751 Except Apple does not play games

[@Th3Siam]

​@@YRRD_R17 Why are you crying on the internet

[@ElvianEmpire]

@@YRRD_R17 servicing a graphics card? wat.

[@ldope3904]

AI

[@Stolen_Bits]

The engineering on this card is incredible, I think the nicest thing is the swappable PCIE daugherboard. *Hopefully* it would disconnect and bear the damage before the mainboard portion of the connector. This could save a lot of money with cards that have died due to unaddressed card sag.

[@PutYourQuarterUpGaming]

I mean...buy a GPU support bracket tho, they're like 10 bucks dude xD And like my 7900xtx came with one, wouldn't surprised if Nvidia is cheaping out and I don't think you're wrong about the design mitigating it, but like what? You think that's device failure? Nah. That's user error.

[@vadwvea7153]

@@PutYourQuarterUpGaming thats not his point though. Most bricked 40 series cards were because the PCIE connectors were weak and snapped. Its user error, sure. But now you wont have to lose 2000 dollars every time one snaps and only spend, hopefully around 50 to fix

[@mitchellmanson449]

@@PutYourQuarterUpGaming you must be a firefighter...

[@richard-davies]

Same for the display ports, instead of repairing the ports if damaged, it would be amazing if you could just swap the display connector board now that it's connected separately as well. This layout should be the standard as a minimum for everyone.

[@JosiahBradley]

Petition for T-shirt with Steve holding blow torch with crazy eyes? Back just says "Tear Down"

[@rafaelqueiroga8084]

Add me to the pre-order list, buddy.

[@FilthEffect]

Here here

[@rapid7060]

Amen

[@krisc1684]

(Rip and) Tear Down

[@JosiahBradley]

@krisc1684 I second this motion.

[@petermadach]

as a PCB designer i find it extremely impressive how they utilized every inch of that main board.

[@LostHope...]

7:35 this $2000 card has a built in feature where if you remove screws it will scratch itself

[@johanjacobs9240]

12:52 At least you do not brick your GPU when there is a crack on the PCI connector.

[@alsayedfakhri4597]

Assuming spares are available...

[@GamersNexus]

Now that's an interesting thought! Hadn't thought about that.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

i had northwestrepair flashbacks 😁

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

its crazy that we have gone for so long without a single video card manufacturer making then part of a ribbon cable

[@johanjacobs9240]

@SL4PSH0CK NWR is exactly the reason why I thought about it!💡😂

[@kdc420421]

Fun fact: Founders Edition card production is limited to the amount of blood they are able to harvest from Robert Patrick

[@Seacle14]

So proud of that joke you posted it twice.

[@VormavNJD]

The Galleria?

[@normified]

​@@Seacle14 it got your attention

[@CaveyMoth]

Have you seen this boy?

[@OcelotTheFurious]

@@CaveyMothnah i dunno him

[@Didymuss1]

I imagine the stiffer leaf spring is also to try and ensure a seal for the liquid metal gasket.

[@GamersNexus]

Great point.

[@jsackett42160]

Stiffer leaf springs also means that it'll handle corners better.😮😮😂😂

[@rata536]

@@jsackett42160 That would have been useful for GTX.

[@Didymuss1]

@jsackett42160 Maybe the 6090 will come with a sway bar.

[@ElysaraCh]

I cant help but chuckle at every Hyte case ad referring to its "cut corner" design

[@smartperson1]

The hyte of comedy

[@Marc.Google]

Zig-Zags💨

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Never thought Id be impressed by a GPU cooler. The PCB is impressive too though, its so smol!

[@Chaos_Rifle]

honestly, once nvidia started doing even decent coolers the partners were in trouble. most of them are pushing 'gamered' up pointy red jagged XXeliteXX progamer 420 cards. the good ones have solid coolers now with EVGA gone, and thats really the best that can be said for them. They were already on life support in my eyes, and with the silicon provider now being the one to take their lunch, their in for a world of hurt if they dont pick it up on the engineering - but that assumes a margin exists enough to do that, if nvidia isnt going to sell chips to itself at a discount.. if nvidia doesnt 'bill' themselves the same cost as the AIBs then their screwed even if they do try to compete, and they are already way behind the curve on the engineering knowledge.

[@fivemethoxy]

The reason Nvidia sells chips in the first place is because they can't fabricate enough of their own cards to satisfy the demand.

[@oZiiix]

Supply and demand will dictate when partners are in trouble. FE cards will always be scarce so people will buy what's available closest to MSRP and work their way up. AIB will markup to compensate and people will still buy.

[@graxxor]

@@oZiiix Astral 800 dollar markup...

[@kyle8952]

@@fivemethoxy Maybe back in the 2000s. I'm sure nowadays they're placing an order for bare PCBs at the exact same outsourcing factories that the "partners" do.

[@andiszile]

Exactly. I think partners can maybe differ in OC capabilities, but knowing that Nvidia really doesn't like OC, there's slim chance. Only free market is in geography - FEs aren't sold everywhere.

[@delscoville]

The Gallium in the liquid metal will also eat away solder, and once it makes contact the damage is done.

[@pjpleiss]

That's cool to know. Does it function as a catalyst to oxidize the lead/silver/tin?

[@sinAnon6689]

@@pjpleiss it eats it essentially. but more accurately..for those on the youtube comment section... -Diffusion into the grain boundaries of the metal causing very rapid embrittlement of the metal. -Intermetallic formation - for the likes of copper a compound called CuGa2 can form and degrade the metal structure. -Recrystallization - for tin based solder it induces a phase change process and alters the micro structure of the tin making it brittle and prone to failure. Solder can become brittle over time and old hardware can often be fixed by a simple reflow of the dried solder, I believe the liquid metal would actually make that impossible in this case because it changes the tin's structure.

[@ragzillaz]

@@sinAnon6689 Gallium only does this with some metals, most notably aluminum, indium, tin, and zinc. So, a concern for the safer lead-free solders for sure.

[@sinAnon6689]

@@ragzillaz yup, doesn’t affect all metals, some to varying degrees as well.

[@timothygibney159]

I refuse liquid metal of my builds for this reason. I don't care about 5c if I could blow away my cpu and board. The gasket is a awesome idea. Maybe someone can do a gasket am 5 for water cooling and I will happily use it

[@SuperCloneRanger]

14:30 that 'bumper' pad is a conductive grounding pad for EMI.

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks! Any shorthand name that they are commonly known by?

[@SuperCloneRanger]

@@GamersNexus soft ground contact and EMI gasket are both used as shorthand.

[@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse]

@@SuperCloneRanger We here use "Conductive fabric over foam" a lot for these conductive gaskets, as there's also versions with inherently conductive foam. :)

[@kevinlloyd3047]

That's a pretty long for a shorthand term 😂

[@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse]

@@kevinlloyd3047 any shorter and it would become less useful!

[@Nitrodasnipa]

It's absolutely insane how compact the actual GPU board is on these cards. The shear density of components is astounding, would be wild to see all the traces inside the PCB

[@AnimalsOnceWeWere]

6:12 that can of WD40 looks like it's been around as long as the channel. Haha

[@johnny420xxx]

it looks pretty pristine to me tbh. Mine look like a vietnam veteran who stepped on two mines and nearly burned alive 💀

[@WildRapier]

I've worked with a lot of gaskets and seals. Definitely need the 3 lip seals on the gasket for the liquid metal. It's (liquid metal) visibly gone through the first and seems to be getting under and being stopped by the second. The third being the actual PCB savior! With a $2k card in my hand, I'm replacing that thing (gasket) every time it gets cracked open! Not to, would be akin to reusing an oil filter gasket on your car, you can..., but now there's a lot riding on a rubber gasket that has been compressed and thermally cycled up and down!

[@VatiWah]

hmmm you are right. that rubber gasket under thermal cycle is concerning. especially with 600 watt worth of heat around it. i am thinking about buying it for productivity purposes.. but a lot of projects, I would cycle through from 10% GPU usage to 100% GPU usage every 2 minutes, then back down to 10% usage for a few seconds. then back up. for +10 hours at a time.

[@jsl6155]

Why’d you remove the journalism portion to your content Steve? You get called out on not following journalism standards and instead of apologizing, you just deflect? I’ve lost so much respect for you Steve in how you responded to this.

[@RattledKO0730]

if my understanding is correct the barrier is a rubber one which is a special kind of rubber that can withstand heat, and they mentioned that liquid metal cannot damage nickel, which is the material used for platting the heatsink(maybe i'm wrong who knows). Concern is valid so maybe check their interview with mike guttenberg.

[@georgepontikas2554]

1:04 Since I've already seen the teardown of the card, I would like to add: MAGNETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?!

[@davidberg698]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/l52sYmWjnbyNaLM

[@RT-qd8yl]

"...magnets...we still don't know how they work" This was a reference I absolutely was not expecting this morning 😂

[@heavyhauler426]

Anyone got a link to that video?

[@davidberg698]

@@heavyhauler426 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lV7EmJ9mpbSEnNU

[@davidberg698]

@@heavyhauler426 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l52sYmWjnbyNaLM

[@wezleyjackson9918]

@@heavyhauler426 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIK6nKaBg9d9o5I

[@wezleyjackson9918]

@@heavyhauler426 Put this after youtube watch?v=RQWksKNrJm0

[@Walczyk]

14:54 the design is f’ing beautiful steve, i’m really really impressed with the engineering this time. they invested heavily this cycle

[@Puulis]

The I/O plate coming off without needing a full card disassembly is actually HUGE for SFF cases. It means you can remove and install the PCIe bracket separately, which actually helps a *ton* in length limited cases. For my last build with a length limited 3090, I had to remove my case fans, power supply, and CPU cooler in order to get the 3090 into or out of the case on a diagonal, despite fitting fine once the system was put together, because the PCIe bracket L-foot was getting caught on one of the case rails.

[@nickus9119]

This card is so thin, it is a Flounders Edition!

[@nicholasthesilly]

Signal boosting this joke

[@nickus9119]

@ RTX 5090 FLOUNDERS EDITION: - FLAT - QUICK - HARD TO FIND - FISHY DEALS AHEAD

[@braindamagegd2254]

I really wonder if no hot spot sensor on this card is gonna become an issue.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

No it won't. Stop complaining.

[@IgorBozoki1989]

Hope board partners didn't remove hotspot sensor.

[@GamersNexus]

It's not great, that's for sure. Hot spot is very useful for identifying missing areas of coverage with liquid metal. It's harder to know if the re-application was good. Hoping they add it back in. I'd assume there is the ability to sense it, but that they aren't exposing it.

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

​@@FO0TMinecraftPVP that's you saying it.

[@AndrewB23]

​@@FO0TMinecraftPVP so you don't know what it is got it 👍

[@DangerousPictures]

considering some cards broke due to gpu sag and internal fractures at the pcie port, the removable pcie connector is a really nice touch

[@Rov-Nihil]

dunno man, since it's a separate piece and its smaller it might just sag and break faster if they go with thicker coolers

[@CodeDonut]

@@Rov-Nihil or it just unplugs itself at the connector. xD

[@pedroferrr1412]

Maybe, more expensive!

[@bocahdongo7769]

I mean, if several bolt directly connected around the PCIE and the fact it only just 2 slot card still broke the PCIE, Nvidia would have class action lawsuit at this point

[@PutYourQuarterUpGaming]

Ya, actually is a really good point.

[@cccalhoun]

First time I've ever been impressed with a reference card's cooling solution. They even understood to use nickel plating for the liquid metal.

[@christophercastillo7693]

Honestly dude. I was expecting Pinhead to come out of that thing. "You opened the 5090. WE CAME!"

[@RheyneMusic]

I miss EVGA, but don’t miss how I couldn’t disassemble or reassemble one of their cards without breaking at least one of the plastic tabs holding the shroud to the cooler. I appreciate how a card like one from ASUS is all screws.

[@Tomazack]

I took apart my Asus TUF OC Gaming RX 7800 XT to do a PTM7950 application, the dismantling process is so simple that my 9-year-old daughter could do it.

[@RheyneMusic]

@ Yes, same here when I slapped a water block on mine. Nice.

[@EvilMcSheep]

This has to be my favorite GPU cooler design of all time! Though I don't really value compactness, I do really respect the efficiency of the design - ever since the short PCBs of the R9 Fury (non-X) cards, it has been obvious what great potential flow-through designs have, and it's really nice to see a design that goes all-in on this. Also, bonus points for a truly elegant look, and not a mess of angles and RGB!

[@bmgjet]

With the PCI-E slot detachable be cool to see some aftermarket ones for mounting in different orientations.

[@juiceismanic]

Vertical mount without massive add-on

[@kdc420421]

When I saw the detachable tab, i thought about repairability.....not customizability. An interesting thought

[@Dexx1s]

Nope. Nobody in their right mind is going to do that. They're custom, they're only for the 5090, they require taking the card apart to a decent extent, and would generally just be a more inconvenient PCIE riser cable.

[@moldyshishkabob]

​@@Dexx1s Taking apart "to a decent extent"? The only thing really extensive to the process is to remove the "x" cover...

[@Sorjal]

If it weren’t custom that would be a new way to do the riser cable and lead to some really unique custom mounts.

[@mark_delight]

For the first time ever in all the years that I've been building computers, I very very much want a founders edition Nvidia card much more than any of the partner models. The FE this generation is a real work of art that is massively impressive and beautiful to behold. I hope they made more of them than the review samples they seem to have sent a lot more reviewers this time around.

[@puregero]

This disassembly looks so much easier than so many phones and laptops, well done to their engineering team

[@Wizartar]

the dual 3 1/2" floppy drive on the side is neat!

[@RaceSimCentral]

It's amazing that they have made this so much smaller and at the same time somehow easier to dismantle.

[@Cerberus383]

F***ing Magnets, how do they work? *raises hands in questioning fashion

[@soupdragon151]

Maaaaaaaagic

[@Direwoof]

WOOP WOOP ICP JUGALOO! lol

[@t.n.-js6ei]

I don't understand as to why anyone is complaining about this video, it shows and explains every thing described in the title: How to take the card apart period, which was done in an easy to follow step-by-step matter.

[@cinlung]

That modular PCIE contact is a great plus. With all the sagging and broken PCI lock that has been happening.

[@Unknown-sz8kg]

Doesnt mean it will not break somewhere else and who says Ngreedia will sell it as a repair part since it is custom made?

[@tonnylins]

Yes, I would like to see the A-B comparison with thermal paste, please.

[@rjsmith2007]

There are tons of videos comparing those already. Physics doesn’t change because theres a new gpu card.

[@Incommensurabilities]

@@rjsmith2007 However there are no 575W GPUs on 2 slot coolers, so I wonder if the 5090 FE would thermal throttle on thermal paste

[@Arcona]

@@Incommensurabilities TPU already tested it with MX6. the GPU temperatures rise by about 2°C on average over the stock liquid metal TIM. No throttling at all.

[@CarterCovers55]

I'd be curious to see the thermal pads for the memory swapped out. On the 30 series doing that reduced memory temps by 20C, and it looks like their material is the same as that generation.

[@vfgrestaurantes2595]

My thought was the exact same swap those out and retest if it doesn't realign to meet expectations. During the thermal video I could've sworn Magnus said the just prefer them for longevity or something to that effect.

[@CarterCovers55]

@vfgrestaurantes2595 the upsides to theirs is closer die contact since they squish so well, and if you transfer less heat from the memory, more of the cooling capacity goes to the core. If you replace the pads, you'd see much cooler memory but slightly warmer core. But I don't like parts running near 90C lol

[@andrewg8303]

Liquid metal used in thermal interfaces like this is most famous for not quite corrosion, but for things like penetrating other metal's crystal lattices and causing embrittlement. Galinstan alloys (of which most liquid metal cooling solutions consist of as far as I am aware) and aluminum is the most common example, where if the oxide layer of the aluminum is scratched off and the galinstan is allowed to make contact with the bare aluminum, it is soaked up like a sponge and the aluminum turns as brittle as a potato chip.

[@kdc420421]

Fun fact: Founders Edition card production is limited to the amount of blood they are able to harvest from Robert Patrick

[@sinAnon6689]

I think i'd be cautious with it as it will degrade nickel too just much more slowly. while slower once it breaks through that nickel plating(time...a lot of it or faulty manufacturing introducing a weaker area)..it will decimate the copper cold plate underneath. I've always avoided it despite the possible thermal benefits because I just don't want the hassle that come come with it.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@sinAnon6689 PS5 as well.

[@Gonzad26]

Really amazed with the cooler solution, the use of liquid metal and the power phase. Thanks for the great teardown.

[@BaronVonBeef]

The seperate pcbs open up the possibility of easier and cheaper repairs, I'm all for this design

[@rdoursenaud]

Yes but it also introduces new failure points. I'd be wary of these connectors aging and causing signal integrity issues, especially when subjected to the thermal cycles in the vicinity of this power hungry GPU.

[@doityourself3293]

That PCB looks like a 20 layer board... almost impossible to change any part on it. They have to be vapor phased off the board. And they have 2 different solder temperatures for each side of the board. So if you heat the high heat side the low melt parts fall off the other side of the board.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

GALAX taking notes for the single slot 5090 KATANA 😁

[@elcazador3349]

Folded over 10000 times!

[@capablanc]

I've been seeing some info about CPU being heated with air coolers while running 5090. The 9800X3D going from 60s to over 90 degrees compared to the 4090 on the same setup. Did you get a chance to test this? Or notice any high CPU temps?

[@GamersNexus]

Working on that! Great testing request. Open to more like this!

[@ashleybarnes9343]

From what I've seen from someone (genuinly cant remember who it was sorry) they said that their cpu went up by about 5 degrees, but I guess it also depends on how good your case airflow is as if the case is blowing out the gpus hot air fast enough it won't really affect it wheras if your case doesn't have much airflow then it will probably have a drastic affect, looking forward to seeing this be tested tho

[@medovk]

who in gods name buys a 5090 and has no money for AIO??

[@alsayedfakhri4597]

​@@medovk you shouldn't have to upgrade a cooler for a GPU, really. Also, some people may not know of the effects hence the request for testing.

[@craciunator99]

@@medovk People that dont know what they're doing.

[@wgairborne209]

You sound so exhausted during the teardown, Steve! I hope you're taking care of yourself man

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Great video. Hopefully there's gonna be a part two - showing the rest of the tear-down.

[@lleresche]

the amount of SMD caps on that circuit board is insane!

[@yell9845]

Still using the same thermal pads as the 3080 I think they even used them on 10 or 20 series? , I remember changing the pads on 3080 drastically reduced vram temps , and still going strong today

[@CarterCovers55]

Yeah I'd want to see how they do if they are replaced, I swapped mine to reduce the temps by a *lot*.

[@polodog7458]

The PCB is surprisingly small, I can't wait to see what the water blocks will look like

[@jackmiller8851]

5:28 "Fuckin' magnets - How do they work?" 😂

[@sadus5415]

lets play a drinking game for how many times steve says "liquid metal" in this teardown

[@FortuneHunters]

I don't want to die :(

[@dezpotizmOFheaven]

Igor from Igors Lab said he will NOT do a teardown of the FE card, but he definetaly has an audience that would want to see it. Maybe you can reach out to him and work together with him somehow. Like saying: "Hey Igor, you can link our video for your viewers, just send them here so they can have a look."

[@Slumplord52]

No technology was harmed in the making of this film.

[@KravMagoo]

Since design IS technology, you are just trolling. This is beautiful and highly efficient on many levels.

[@Slumplord52]

Please try harder in life. I was making a funny about the chaos in the video.

[@teddp]

I am glad that the PCI Express can be replaced because I've seen lots of cracks in that area at Northwest repair. This may be a $2,000 video card but I believe that Nvidia finally went all out in designing and making it.

[@Unknown-sz8kg]

"Can be replaced" doesnt mean they will sell you their custom part to do it yourself.

[@beermarket9971]

I find this generation to be super impressive, they managed to find a compact thermal solution to that much power.

[@SpainSpace]

Can't wait to see these on Northwest Repair's channel

[@jmeistr]

Nice to see a teardown of the 4090 Ti.

[@foxboi6309]

Steve was really having fun with the disassembly

[@Spectre4913]

Needing pliers to get my bits out would drive me nuts.

[@malkuth1974]

Always blows my mind that you have the ability to just pull these boards apart for a youtube video, while I will never in my wildest dreams ever be able to own one of these. Its crazy.

[@GoldSrc_]

Would be nice to see the difference between liquid metal and standard thermal paste.

[@rockstar-5934]

1+

[@WTP_DAVE]

I appreciate the want to make the card small again

[@Gornemant]

The removable PCIE connector might actually be a good thing to prevent damage to the main board in case of damage to the connector, making that part easily replaceable without having to re-solder broken connection, reballing chips or even needing to repair broken pads. Could also result in some nice custom designs and an alternative to the Riser cable.

[@DrAmnesia]

Steve: Please lend us your 5090! Also Steve: Pulls out torch, came prepared! 🤣

[@spicywe1ner]

I'll gladly take 20 screws and liquid metal over a ton of snap together plastic parts

[@t.n.-js6ei]

But it will cost them $0.02 each to make and management may face reductions in their quarterly bonuses and why would a company do something THAT horrific?

[@dgo4490]

I get their strategy - they are gonna over-engineer the competition out of the market, become sole manufacturer, sole card supplier, jack prices even more, and make even more money.

[@MrFallenone]

"jack prices even more" My friend... they can already do that. They supply the chip and set the "recommended" price.

[@dgo4490]

@@MrFallenone It is about eating the scraps that "partners" currently make. This could be money in nvidia's pocket, the moment they can meet demand, and keep short supply for even higher demand and prices and move into the 90% margins...

[@hammerth1421]

Yep. There's a reason EVGA left the Nvidia board partner group chat, it's just not worth it with Nvidia making such good FE cards and being so controlling about what board designs are deserving of their GPUs.

[@Pipsispite]

You realize if they wanted to ‘make money’ they’d leave the gaming market right? The reason there’s so few 5090s (basically a paper launch) is because their datacenter customers are paying literally 20-30x what gamers are willing to pay.

[@Obantrash]

wouldve been great to re-pad it witrh performance thermal pads and compare the temps, considering the liquid metal reapplication and especialy if new pads impact if at all the memory temps

[@Florin_Neagu]

Formal request to test with multiple types of thermal interfaces.

[@CalmTempest]

The connector being detachable like that seems amazing for repairability

[@nitefly99]

Thoughts on coil whine? Biggest factor in whether I buy or not!

[@BritOfADrag]

Personally my GTX1080 has horrible coil whine nowadays at high frame rates but I can't hear it at all if I put any pair of headphones on, which is 99% of the time I'm gaming.

[@Gadtkaz]

Derbauer's had some pretty bad coil whine.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

my 1070 ti has so much coil whine its wild but its an evga card so par for the course

[@sorwis]

Igor's Lab has sound samples of Suprim X SOC vs Founder's Edition and the FE has both much noisier fans but also audible coil whine.

[@t.n.-js6ei]

There are 2 no-cost solutions to coil whine noise problems. The easiest, put the computer on the opposite side of the desk, so the noisw is pointed away from uour ears. The other easy, and again free way, is to move your computer further away by putting it under your desk. Both methods work well because Db levels drop logarithmically.

[@snorlatopus]

21:25 I think they're called fiber-free/lint-free swabs? I found some companies making those for medical applications but they don't list pricing so it must be expensive lol

[@ywsx6489]

21:03 those black cotton swabs are kinda common. Amazon has them.

[@glebs.]

How do you call them?

[@NumbersLetters_]

Yeah what're these referred to as?

[@ywsx6489]

I find them on amazon by searching for 'black cotton swab' 😅

[@Ncky]

As electronics hobbyist i can say that the amount of decoupling is unreal. That just shows how advanced consumer gpus have became. (actual gpu as chip, not whole card). Yeah there are lots of memory chips which require good decoupling but still impressive.

[@antondahlen]

Right when Steve put that one screw back for the connector PCB I was literally saying _"Ooh, I wouldn't put _*_that_*_ screw back, it seems offset from the others for some reason..."_ 😅😂

[@insparks782]

I'm actually amazed at how dense the PCB is populated. Could you imagine the reaction inside Nvidia when they realized they could finally make such a tiny PCB possible?

[@anhiirr]

yeah ppl were curious about enthusiasts putting a water block on it...but the level of milling and QC involved in providing such a product...will surely come with a premium NGL.

[@Aggrofool]

That is one dense PCB, holy.

[@GamersNexus]

Insanely dense! And a lot of layers on the PCB.

[@pedroferrr1412]

@@GamersNexus No repairs possible, i think.

[@lazelda007]

man I am impressed by how good the built is.

[@TheMrDrMs]

"my achilles heel is still with magnets. I still I don't know how they work." You're a writer, that phrasing was intentional with the meaning, and I love it, so funny.

[@raidwipe]

Why did you delete your comment on Rossmans video, and why aren't you taking accountability for your actions?

[@frankwilliams4445]

What comment? Someone fill me in

[@bigphillAchtung]

Louis has your back bro. Stay strong.

[@Renix]

louis literally cooks him tf you on about

[@Voyajer.]

@@Renix you didn't actually watch the whole thing if you think that

[@kingplunger1]

@@Renix Your listening comprehension is that of a toddler or you didn't watch the video. You tell me

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

already loved how in the 4090 you could replace a fan just by removing the backplate and snaking in a cable. Now you can replace a cracked PCIe connector just by removing the backplate.

[@nimbydimby]

The magnets are there to keep the screws from falling and getting lost. It's that simple. Plus you can grab both in one sweep which saves time.

[@samov497]

For the price, I’m glad that you’re getting some really interesting engineering on the card as opposed to a lowest cost solution.

[@uzi-rm]

my favorite non-journalist

[@glew374]

I'm sad, I've watched this channel for years and I always looked up to and relied on you for your integrity but seeing what's happened over the past few days... I don't want to watch GN content anymore, I genuinely feel crushed, I never believed it when people said "Tech Jesus" got to Steve's head, but it clearly has - I thought you were better than this, I really did, this blows man...

[@TeraByteify]

What's the issue?

[@balisticren6155]

​@@TeraByteify ah a whole bunch of drama between him linus and louis rossman i belive

[@TeraByteify]

@@balisticren6155 aye but I haven't seen Steve say anything inaccurate so far :/

[@megadeth8592]

Are you a women?

[@HowdyYT]

⁠@@TeraByteify TLDR: It’s probably not worth your time. That’s because he hasn’t. The worst that happened is Linus gave some extra context on the Billet Labs situation from years ago, that doesn’t change the conclusion of Steve’s investigation, and he called Steve disingenuous and immoral for not asking for Linus’ comment before publication. Linus has continually pointed fingers at Steve while lying about him (texting his old number and claiming Steve never responded to him about clearing the air) while exhibiting clearly narcissistic behavior along the way. At the very least you should check out the first Linus callout section on last week’s WAN show and the GN webpage article addressing it. Bonus points for shifting through Rossmann’s video to see Linus be more of an ass through his emails. To think all of this happened from GN adding a 10 second clip of Linus saying “It’d hurt my reputation if I told people Honey scammed creators” is also hilarious, because LMG knew for years and chose to stay silent up until it was revealed that Honey also doesn’t give users the best coupon codes. I think that’s extremely relevant to the GN lawsuit (which focuses on referral code hijacking) and makes sense to be included in that video.

[@pmf026]

My first impression about 50series is this: ANTI-REPAIR

[@Bobsofax64]

@@pmf026 Those modular boards are pretty good for repairs actually. Especially that Pcie interface board will come in handy, a lot of 4090s were improperly shipped in systems and broke their PCIe connector. Repair of the main PCB will be a bitch though, that I agree with. They should've made the power connector modular too, like they did on the prototype. Melting one of these here could be fatal.

[@boy-who-likes-bats]

watching this teardown is amazing actually i love the process of exploration and silliness involved

[@HopInTheCloud]

To open the 5090, Steve had to accept the quest from a NPC. "Challenge Accepted!"

[@christophergilmer8267]

wait, i thought this was a daytime soap opera channel?

[@lukeholder]

this guy is such a mouth breather

[@rsobe]

What i get from all the drama is: Steve is a good guy, got morals and principles the audience and proper journalism is the priority, Louis has well, and he gave some good advises and facts, but Linus has always is gaslighting yet again, knowing about Honey scam and not saying anything for so long is absurd.

[@t.n.-js6ei]

If you already know about the Honey situation, what is going to say that adds anything useful or that anyone interested will learn?

[@raidwipe]

How do you come to terms with Steve taking LTT out of context, and then refusing to post a correction?

[@Matt-my7pz]

So amazing to mass produce such a clean perfect product physical product. The cost and effort and proofing🤯

[@343_GuiltySpark]

You can feel the quality of that cooler through the screen based on just the sounds it makes as he's disassembling it. People say some things just feel expensive, this is one of those things. (I owned a 3090FE and felt the same way about that)

[@WhoDneeGaming]

Unsubscribing because you're a coward now using other KZbinrs to push your false reporting without retractions. I used to love your work, but it's clear you've become nothing more than a drama KZbinr. You've lost your ethical credibility, and it calls into question all your other reports in the past because of this.

[@TeraByteify]

What has Steve said that is incorrect?

[@LowLifeDust]

Gamers Nexus' Partners should worry: Spiteful nerd proved to be more of a drama channel than actual facts