NYC Cop Becomes Whistleblower On Police Reform | Edwin Raymond | TMR

Edwin Raymond, whistleblower & former lieutenant in the New York Police Department, to discuss his recent book An Inconvenient Cop: My Fight To Change Policing In America, co-authored with Jon Sternfeld.
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[@kevino1219]

We are all so damn grateful to whistle-blowers. Thank you.

[@kaybrown7733]

Here here!

[@kaybrown7733]

@@synchronium24 He's not a cop. He's what cops should be, an honest stand up citizen!

[@samuelrosander1048]

@@synchronium24 Oh, so you're a proponent of "snitches get stitches" so that doing something about "ACAB" is impossible, then? You're basically trying to "gotcha" someone saying that the sky is grey on a cloudy day by saying "uuhhh, I thought the sky was blue?? That's the level of bad faith you're working at.

[@andromidius]

@@synchronium24 They are. Former cops can sometimes escape that label, depending on the circumstances.

[@dylankuchcinski141]

​@@andromidius another great example of a former cop who escaped the label is the channel "That Dang Dad" here on KZbin

[@moiraflint]

Im an elderly white woman in the south. Thank you and god that someone is trying to change the racist and jack booted policies of the police. Humanize the police and change the adversarial policies. This is vital. Policing and prison systems do not do justice to a humane society.

[@nicholasschoonbeck6866]

FYI, you don't have to qualify your support for what's right by including your own race.

[@S.A.White...]

Yeah, I was just thinking that policing is not protecting. I want some sort of group that protects me, not polices me

[@jbundles6257]

Kudos to this man for speaking up! Things need to change!!

[@pronoun171]

Knowing the history of brave young black men who try to change this country, I hope he’s staying safe

[@Unimaginative.Moniker]

TY! What a fantastic guest! His logic and arguments were well rounded, solid, and unique next to much of what you hear on policing issues. I would love to see him as a guest again, even often. The way he speaks is particular and thoughtful. He speaks strongly in the right sort of gentle neutral sounding and empathetic tone, too. I need to stop. Lol. You know what I mean... He's GREAT in an interview!

[@StaceNyourFace]

I agree! I couldn't have said it better myself. Excellent comment. Thank you.

[@davidourlicht6308]

This hits close to home for a lot of black and brown New Yorkers im around the same age and since 15 had the same interactions my life path led to me sueing the nypd in floyd vs city of new york we one and i ended up as a public defender in Manhattan much respect but i could never be a PIG

[@yogidevendrabiriyani1777]

I was 18 in nyc in 94

[@SpokenTruth_]

Wow

[@glike2]

Edwin Raymond should consider running for one of the NYC congressional seats because of his no compromise ethics.

[@bjohnson1085]

Excellent interview. I hope this young man continues on this path. Very very good points he makes

[@tonytooshort]

What an interesting gentleman. Thank you brother for being a fighter, for going in with the intent to make a change and staying true to it and not allowing yourself to be corrupted by the system.

[@vlopez26]

Wow! Not shocked but still unbelievable

[@NiazRaki]

Excellent interview!

[@alyx_zoot]

Mad respect!

[@NiazRaki]

Cosmetic diversity vs. Diversity of thought. Perfectly put!

[@rmszucs1]

Great interview! Thank you so very much!

[@nitajean9885]

Great show with an impressive young man. Best in your future Mr. Raymond and thank you for your service.

[@logruszed]

Great interview. Edwin is so well versed in social a political philosophy with a life of practical experience from multiple angles. He has some amazing quote every couple minutes. And Sam Bostonian pronounces "cop". Which is also great.

[@MichaelTorres-b2v]

Great interview. I rarely get a chance to listen to the whole interview on here. But I had the chance to listen to this one. And it was a great use of my time.

[@pensivelyrebelling]

I deeply admire the efforts and immense courage it has taken this man to not only see the issues with the police and join with the intent to be different and make change from within, even going so far as becoming a whistleblower. The fact that he’s still alive and well and only recently retired after so many years being the lead on this lawsuit is pretty incredible given what’s happened to most other police whistleblowers. His book couldn’t be more aptly named. Whistleblowers are the exact kind of people every organization should want to maintain integrity but the idea of “whistleblower protections” seems more like a false ideal that no one really believes in or takes seriously. As much as I appreciate his courage, I’m definitely more in the camp of folks who don’t see policing reform being possible in this climate. If there were a majority of Edwins in policing, I’d feel differently. But that just isn’t how it is and I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

[@janssencarmichael4124]

And now he's going to have to spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

[@hardwarefixer6822]

THANNK YOU EDWIN

[@basquat76]

Great interview. I wish this guy the best of luck in the future. And merry Christmas everyone. Here's too a much much better new year.

[@erikarabie]

He needs secret service protection

[@lostairsky6573]

They don’t protect whistleblowers they survey them.

[@ryleeskeem]

This guy is a great guest would love to hear more from him

[@eyeofthetiger6008]

Went to go see him talk. His experience opened my eyes as i truly wasnt fully aware pf how even good officers have to do bad things

[@hm7563]

I hope Mr. Raymond will make policy one day.

[@scposeur]

Glad to see this whole interview. Caught a piece when it first aired and then remembered I have never seen Serpico. Watched it and saw how very little has changed but some thing have

[@MElFITU]

Thanks

[@savlosavage]

His emotional and actual intelligence is too high to be a police officer... he should have been a federal agent that fights police corruption ... there simply isn't enough of those

[@effsixteenblock50]

I remember hearing for years rumors that the police wanted recruits with average intelligence because those types were more likely to do what they were told without question and not be too analytical. Seems like Edwin and his intellect slipped through.

[@AmurTiger]

Just focusing on this comment at 24:31 for a moment because I liked that he's pulling apart what are two different problems. 1. Diversity within the force, which comes down to everyone having equal job opportunities, a laudable but fairly narrow goal in terms of direct impact. 2. A respect from the force for peoples of diverse backgrounds, a critical goal because a failure here doesn't just impact those of a disadvantaged group who want to become cops but the whole group because while we may not all want to be cops we're all subject to them in trying to live in a society with laws that have to be enforced. Given the framing I'm sure it's clear which I think is more important and how there's often a bait and switch between solutions for 2 being swapped out to solutions for 1.

[@TheDeadKingsRaven]

Appreciate him trying to change the system from the inside. Thought it was a bit disingenuous to say that you have to see the system from the inside to understand that the current system is flawed. Being stopped and frisked or just a quota for arrests is plenty of reason to be radicalized. Not saying it’s great but it’s a product of America’s over policing problem. Something has to change for the cycle to break.

[@matthewhein9012]

I hope y’all take him up and have him on more great conversation.

[@chrishambrick892]

Love the channel keep up the Fantastic work

[@graywolf2107]

This ish is mind-blowing...I knew they had quotas....I didn't know the quotas only focused on minorities. smh

[@jbundles6257]

Absolutely and many people knew that!

[@newbie1958]

@@jbundles6257 But we were gaslighted by the right as “brining race into everything”.

[@michaelcarrig627]

I appreciate this man’s work. But the left must recognize that police reform is only the bourgeois movement that precedes legitimate change. We may not have a name for the institution that should replace policing yet. But even if we transform racist tactics, quotas, and unconstitutional policy; it is implicit to policing that they face the poor as their primary opposition. The purpose of the police is to manage the poor and that will not change until we supplant the institution itself.

[@margotpreston]

Exactly, reform is merely the starting point, not the end goal. And far to many people do not get that.

[@draunt7]

This was my issue w him saying that "justice minded" police reformers don't have a voice. They have a disproportionately large voice considering the demands of the people for defunding.

[@Eff_It]

You're not going to have a police force in opposition to the poor without it being racist. Race and class are intrinsically linked in the US.

[@joc.1353]

The heavily footnoted report concluded that peace was not in the interest of a stable society, that even if lasting peace "could be achieved, it would almost certainly not be in the best interests of society to achieve it." War was a part of the economy. Therefore, it was necessary to conceive a state of war for a stable economy. The government, the group theorized, would not exist without war, and nation states existed in order to wage war. War served the vital function of diverting collective aggression. They recommended "credible substitutes" and paying a "blood price" to emulate the economic functions of war.

[@PhilipRhoadesP]

Another really interesting interview!

[@tomshady3530]

Quotas exist for everyone. Have to make certain number of widgets to keep any job. Several (only) retired cops have admitted it to me.

[@frankwhite3659]

And I a hundred percent believe every single word that this guy is uttering.

[@kyoopihd]

"Cosmetic diversity" is such a perfect term to describe a majority of the "initiatives" in the country today.

[@tonytooshort]

It's amazing that the way these people talk its as if we're still in the 1800's when slavery was still around. 🤢

[@Abby-hi4sf]

Very interesting. Thank you for this interview. Why cosmetic diversity didn't work might have a lot to do with the classical conditioning that exist in the police force. If every new recruit is trained to enforce the racist system, the problem is not going to disappear for ever. A very few intelegent person will always raise a question, while majority of us are followers.

[@samuelrosander1048]

When you're trained from birth to be a follower while being told to be a leader, to keep your head down, to never punch up, etc, then obviously you'll believe that you have to rely on a few smart folk to lead the masses. That's why leftists push for serious reforms to education, mass organizing, etc. Without fundamental change people will only continue to accept that kind of barbaric, hierarchical belief in how a society should function.

[@hellojam100]

we should check in on him in a few months to make sure he is not Serpico-ed

[@speclove1]

OMG the fucking stop and frisk. I remember being stopped and frisked in my childhood when i was walking home from my job taking care of mentally disabled children. These 2 fucking demons not in uniform came and searched me. It all happened so fast and i always wondered why. Was it my jacket, the way i walked, the shit neighborhood, me being a young black man? The older I got the more I realized what happened. It took me a long time to separate the people from the organization. Its part of the reason why I hate New York city and left as soon as I could and never trust cops. We all know what would have happened if I fought back.

[@SSgtJohnEP]

Things didn't just click one day. He was tired of being harassed and wanted that power.

[@tonytooshort]

I actually got arrested on several occasions by cops hiding out looking for people jumping the turnstiles

[@cookingwithsilence]

20:13 the rationalization is that one arrest would not lead to a conviction and one arrest would be agreed upon all the way down to a conviction. The cop knows one will get off so he's looking for someone more vulnerable.

[@draunt7]

Hearing a cop talk about reform sounds like a drug dealer determining how much product to cut.

[@marym22]

This type of training is super dangerous especially in NYC.

[@rodneyvelez9385]

11 years ago this police dept is still telling cops there do nothings get an arrest

[@nicholasschoonbeck6866]

I don't know how many people noticed this, but the very fact that the cops see someone, who is either just trying to create good changes, or all the way whistleblowing, & the cops see that as being a rat, just like the Mafia - - - the Mafia saw things that way because they were ADMITTEDLY criminals. If cops also see changes as an attack on their policies, they are also admitting to being criminal. I mean, when I was a young active addict, living on the street, I knew that I was choosing to live in that world, & if the cops caught me for something, that's not because they were bad, its cuz I was breaking the law, therefore, cops are part of that lifestyle. If cops are deliberately trying to protect & defend their crooked policies, they are, in essence, admitting to breaking the laws.

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

It's gang culture.

[@patrickbaron6921]

His book is eye opening!☮️☯️⚖️

[@NO-LIVAS]

What a cool ass dude, gobbless

[@StopSettlerViolence]

Protect yourself. You did the right thing. The Boeing Whistleblower did to. I hope you are left alone

[@kaybrown7733]

I want to know how I can help this man.

[@NiazRaki]

Anybody remember that Jean Claude 90s movie Hard Target. Also demented concept like stop and frisk. Soft Targets? No way! Hunters and the hunted. Oppressors and the oppressed...

[@ThreaT650]

With respect to Edwin, I challenge him to think about how a 500 dollar traffic citation would put over 60% of families under because over 60% of families can't afford a 500 dollar emergency. Being a cop, quotas or not, every time you ticket someone there is a chance more than not that you are harming them financially in a way that is just detrimental to them and their families. This is one of many issues you can't get around even if someone is a justice minded cop. The system is predatory. If you are participating in that system, it is predatory to the community. Not to say that this guy wouldn't be a better person to run into as a cop than most, but until we get very serious reform, there is nobody operating in the system that is doing inherent good. In the same way that the way you fight against the idea of life long parole and recidivism rates, is that you don't become a parole officer and feed the system. Any time you arrest somebody who may be part of a minority group, you know for a fact that they will likely see unfair jail time when compared to other demographics. You know how they will be treated in prison differently, ect. Going in to whistle blow is quite seriously the only way to be a good cop. But you gotta be loud asl. And until we get police officer who are willing to acknowledge how absolutely predatory and broken the system is, I just don't see how change will happen. A lot of these mayors are afraid of police chiefs and the police unions. There is just too much concentrated power in a militarized domestic military force more well funded than any military on the planet other than our very own and China's military force. They are also protected in various ways like immunity and media who take PR statements as fact no matter how much egg they have gotten all over their faces for doing so over the years and being flat out wrong. Also, the community is the victim here. We don't need to open our minds to shiiii. We need police and law enforcement personnel to open up their minds. We aren't obliged to do a darn thing. This is a democracy. The idea that we can't even control our own law enforcement as the people is freakin' insane and the idea that we need to somehow hear what police advocate for is just copsplaining. I just don't know to feel about this. Obviously I am very anti police. I think they are necessary in a very small form, and that the money we are blowing on them could help to eliminate crime, because nearly all crime is socioeconomically driven. The bottom line is that policing, criminal justice, and jailing is a business, and business is BOOMING. That's why change won't happen without radical action. I remember NYPD couldn't even wear freakin' masks. I mean they couldn't even be accountable to their community with freakin' masks during a global pandemic. I mean these freaks are a problem and come from a very specific personality groups. I remember when legislation was being pushed and these cops would slack purposefully on call response times. Anybody remember that? The power these lunatics hold is a serious problem. They feel like they run the show in totality.

[@barbechivo]

Mr Raymond was found guilty, pursuant to an internal nypd probe, of serious dereliction of duty in failing to take action in a domestic violence incident involving an order of protection. He failed to offer even a modicum of police service to the victim in a highly contentious domestic incident. he was also accused by many of his colleagues of being discriminatory towards underlings of a different race. In reporting Mr. Raymond to IAB his colleagues did what the community demands of them i.e. report corruption and misconduct.

[@ladyaj7784]

How do we HELP, besides buying the book?

[@bkf778]

in nyc, police used to set up " sobriety checkpoints", at end of every month, decades ago. plain clothes det. would and still stop and frisk anyone they want. end qualified immunity.

[@antenna_prolly]

Policing quotas don't make a lick of sense. "Oh is too much of the citizenry following the rules? Pick some losers then."

[@TheKitsuneCavalier]

I wonder what Actual Justice Warrior's take on this interview would be.

[@supersonico9364]

“Follow the money”… the more arrests a precinct scores the more support the local politician gets the more budget the local precinct receives the bigger the checks the cops take home everybody happy, what happens with the effected ppl here you may ask? Black ppl, minorities? Second class citizens, an acceptable loss, tough luck 👍

[@Doomer253]

This dude still 'programmed' he is unable to talk freely or honestly to Sam's questions.

[@MarsHottentot]

No surprises

[@jdogdarkness]

I wonder if this guy is aware of Adams history. Everything I've learned about him indicates if anything, Adams "activism" was political angeling.

[@Masonsky123]

But those quotes are aimed at black people. That's what they are leaving out.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Acab

[@kevino1219]

Thankfully that's not universally true.

[@andersonfowler2440]

Imani Vietnam Combat Vet B1 PowerNomics DFW2 gether

[@kevinoconnell9056]

Y'all having to work on Christmas Eve?!? Need to unionize

[@lloidffxi]

Scheduling videos is pretty trivial... No Brains, No Pain though, right?

[@osonhouston]

This is most likely prerecorded.

[@doctorbigsmiles]

It's their war on Christmas

[@kevinoconnell9056]

@@lloidffxi yes Mr. Bezos

[@patrickbaron6921]

The thin Blue Line is fading away because of men and women like this young man.

[@merbst]

ftp

[@rodneyvelez9385]

Union dont care

[@fencerjared]

This guy just sounds like every "sit down and shut up, the adults are talking" liberal I've ever heard with his "the voices of justice-minded police are missing" and "we need officers in the room" lines. Do we also need abusers on the boards of DV shelters? I like how a New Yorker piece called him "a radical critic of policing," and this is what he's putting out. 🤣

[@plutotech]

- the bootlicker has entered the chat.. hush up..

[@bruceswearingen7718]

☝️Damn you're quick☝️

[@radaro.9682]

So he's actually not a cop any more or is he like so many "former" law enforcement.

[@KingJT80]

Like so many former law enforcement. What does that mean?

[@radaro.9682]

@@synchronium24 You are trying to tell me no law enforcement agency has ever tried to plant a "former" cop in leftist spaces? Asking and pointing to a pattern of behavior as justification for said question ought to be enough. Especially given you have zero idea how I'd respond to any answer. Damn, getting sensitive over a question as if asking is somehow an accusation. Why are you like that?

[@samuelrosander1048]

@@synchronium24 No, you just have a thing against people who don't like the police as the institution it is. The OP wasn't clear on what they meant, but it was a question, not a statement. 1) So he's actually not a cop anymore... 2) OR IS HE like... That comes out as the OP not having caught whether or not he's STILL a cop, as in still has that as his job, OR is he something else. The mental gymnastics are yours, and it comes out in your other posts. Someone said essentially "thanks for being a whistle-blower," and you responded "uhhh, I thought all cops are bastards" like a braindead fool. Or rather, AS a braindead fool. If you cared about being right rather than making your own positions seem less supportive of bigots, or "owning the libs/left," you wouldn't post such bad faith garbage.

[@radaro.9682]

@@KingJT80 Law enforcement officers that haven't really parted ways. They appear to be fired or have quit, act the part and maybe even have paperwork to back up the claims, and either feed information back or actively encourage behavior that would be internally disruptive. F.B.I. has a decent history of this. Check out the terms "agent provocateur" and a program called "COINTELPRO". Both lead to decent descriptions of and identify specific acts by our government and its law enforcement agencies.

[@KingJT80]

@@radaro.9682 why would a whistle blower pretend to be a former law enforcement officer? Matter of fact why would any whistle blower do this in any industry?

[@pinchebruha405]

A.I is not going to care about your pronouns or the color of your skin

[@JanKozak-ww6zz]

No lajf

[@JanKozak-ww6zz]

No lajf no lajf no lajf no lajf no lajf