Nystul's Magic Aura is THE MOST CURSED SPELL IN D&D!

[@PackTactics]

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[@adamshea5062]

Happy birthday. The more enchantments get broken, the more I think the necromanceres were kinda right.

[@off-meta9962]

i like the granola

[@GodLoverOdin]

9 day old comment on a 7 hour video, Pack Tactics is magician

[@carsonrush3352]

I think I found a minor issue that blocks the Magic Jar use case. The casting time if Magic Jar is 1 minute. Spells with casting times longer than 1 action require your concentration every turn to cast them, breaking concentration on Suggestion. So you'll need a friend/ accomplice to help you pull this off.

[@floofzykitty5072]

This spell, like Planar Binding, is one of those spells where the literal intended use case of the spell is clearly bad for the game and not something that should have ever been allowed. The purpose of Planar Binding is to bind some kind of entity into your service which can easily become wildly unbalanced even without using summons because it is inevitable you encounter some powerful fey or fiend in combat. Similarly, Nystul's is now explicitly designed to be able to allow the fundamental rules of the games to be warped, it is almost like achieving Arbitrary Code Execution (ACE) in D&D. I always find it grimly hilarious when people complain about "abusing" these spells when the problematic function of the spell is the intended use case.

[@aedwa021]

I feel like these spells should be in the books so that npcs can use them for story purposes, but then not appear on any class's spell list.

[@defensivekobra3873]

The spell school, flavour text, and original wording imply that the intended use case is to avoid detection from like dangerous magical glyphs or detect evil & good, not a means of making almost anything a legal target for almost anything.

[@defensivekobra3873]

Of course, as written nystul's is still problematic

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

@@aedwa021 Put them in the DMG with clear warnings that they break fundamental assumptions about how the game is played and are inappropriate for most games. It's fine for them to be on class spell lists as long as the game sets the expectation that these are only available if the DM allows it, much like the Death Cleric and Oathbreaker Paladin in 1st edition 5e.

[@psdirewolf]

What if the game .... wasn't designed to be balanced

[@TheSolitaryEye]

Reminder that the Oblex exists, so a seemingly ordinary person whose magical signature is that of an ooze reeeeeally seems like an Oblex to a knowledgeable monster hunter.

[@reiyoka]

That is a hilarious point. Inversely, someone can cast this on an Oblex to mask it as an actual humanoid. Now I have a new fear.

[@nickm9102]

@@reiyoka And everyone wonders why I play my wizard as if everyone and everything is lying to me. I get weird looks but this was something that I looked at in the past. I had a wizard that used magic aura to suppress all magical indicators from his stuff. I also placed a very fun security system in my Tower and changed it to illusion. Every time we went there I spoke the safe passage word and when asked I told everyone that it was a Magic Mouth glyph to announce an unexpected visitor in reality there were a chain of glyphs that among other things eventually included Power word kill.

[@quade5227]

Yes

[@burgernthemomrailer]

There is no spell or other magical effect that can detect the creature type of an ooze. 2014 Ranger's Favored Enemy is not considered magical, and would therefore not be affected by NMA.

[@christophershell7564]

The correct way to use this spell is to turn random city animals into undead or infernals and watch as the Paladins of the city freak out about.

[@tomohiro1399]

10/10 comment

[@travwolfe101]

I could see a necromancer or wizard bbeg using that to absolutely troll them.

[@nadirku]

"I am under DNA with WOTC [...]" (Text on screen at 9:44) - I know Kobold probably meant "NDA" but the idea of WotC getting sinister with "23 and me", while discussing this particular spell is funny.

[@WarDragonOfTheLight]

I thought it was in reference to that one joke. "What does DNA stand for? National Dyslexic Association."

[@ΣτελιοςΛουκοπουλος]

​@@WarDragonOfTheLight Ok, this one was funny

[@skrilllfury2120]

I absolutely love this spell. Cursed or not, it is PEAK meme. Edit: Happy birthday, Kobold! Appreciations for the video, especially.

[@JackIntoGaming4721]

This sounds like Slavery with extra steps, in fact it would make a great campaign. Party lands on a island or kingdom where the citizen are enslaved by a evil lich king. That used Nytsul's aura and planar binding on them.

[@mega17]

PackTactics literally said as much in the video.

[@S1leNtRIP]

I actually love the non-broken uses of this spell! Make your ring of protection detect as nothing. Change your alignment to neutral. Make your mundane sword look magic, make your magic sword look mundane! So many fun little things!

[@LaMirah]

Found a Dwarven Thrower but your barbarian isn't a dwarf? Holy Avenger but no paladin? Heck, even an intelligent weapon can be fooled, as long as you avoid being too egregious w

[@S1leNtRIP]

@@LaMirah HUGE. Love those uses what the heck!

[@ArmoredChocoboLPs]

There was a scenario I saw where they had to attend a royal meeting and they were checking for magic items at the entrance. This spell would have helped.

[@edheldude]

Cast _Reduce_ on your halfling friend making him tiny, mask him as a beast type, and cast _Animal Messenger_ on him. Or bind a demon, and mask its type so it can bypass _Forbiddance_ of the temple.

[@hopeandpiece]

Finally, i can make my PC in all ways but physical, a kobold... in a trench coat!

[@vindex57]

That song is a banger

[@nickm9102]

Actually magic jar would let you do that also you can use Simulacrum and dominate person to make it 3 kobolds in the coat.

[@Treblaine]

[advantage]

[@wilkerfeitosa8605]

So perfect JKkk

[@consolescrub4031]

Thematically, I like that you can use it to use magic items or access things you otherwise couldn't (it seems like a very DM or story oriented spell where you have things like Mindflayer or undead related items). I feel like if the party can somehow subdue something like an ancient dragon for 30 days and agree on who gets to try take the body, they are free to try (in my games). It could make for a decent endgame mission where the players help an NPC get back to their true form which was stolen from them previously or something. There's the natural story thread of having a big forbiddance spell which disintegrates any, let's say demon, who enters naturally so all the more intelligent demons mask themselves with Nystul's Magic Aura to enter the forbiddance resulting in the players needing to identify them through other means. My favourite idea with it is having it as the passcode for a mages guild. There's a symbol on the front door which they change every day and if anyone who isn't a plant type on this specific day walks up to, it explodes. Is it entirely overly complicated and a waste of magical abilities compared to a simple codephrase? Yes, which makes it perfect for a mages guild. Regarding niche interactions, shoutout to turning your entire party undead to get a +5 damage boost with the 2014 oathbreaker's aura of hate. Truly the most munchkin combination until your enemy breaks out their own divine smite.

[@insertphrasehere15]

Yeah... it would be funny for someone to try this... then when they try to use the Possessed Dragon to fight the other BBEG, one of his lackeys hits you with Dispel magic and now you have to fight the BBEG AND a dragon... Not a good plan.

[@consolescrub4031]

@@insertphrasehere15 I feel like that's a classic case of Player vs DM. Like yes, if they're trying to "break the game" then by all means it's within the DM's capacity to hammer them back into line (worth noting dispelling the magic would also put the PC back in their original body wherever it is and whatever condition it's in unless something else has gotten to it first and probably well away from the fight). If it's a cool narrative thing, I'd let it happen once or heavily foreshadow when an enemy is going to try do something to disrupt it. Having an endgame mission where you have to restore your ally back to their ancient gold dragon body and then they fight with you against whatever stole the body back in their true form could be such a fun and memorable moment like the ending of Elder Scrolls Oblivion. The DM is god, they can literally add infinite enemies with dispel magic and counterspell into any fight so the PC can't even cast a cantrip or get any spell to stick. I just don't imagine foiling all the PC plans to be that fun for anyone normally. You can have archenemy fights where the enemy uses everything at their disposal like counterspells and dispel magics but if the players went through that level of setup and planning, I feel like I'd reward them for it by letting them get a few good hits in with it or to blow through a bunch of lesser enemies. If they keep doing it, then we can break out the extra special DM toolkit of all the things like the Brainstealer Dragon looking to upsize or the Greatwyrm who finds the parties actions deeply offensive but it's a cooperative game first so I would prioritise what I think everyone would enjoy in that moment the most. If they want a challenge, have the enemy power up too somehow and they can have a big epic kaiju battle rather than wiping the floor with your BBEG. Perhaps they beat your original BBEG easily and the avatar of the god they worshipped enters the material plane and steps on them as round two begins. Everyone can play the game their own way but I would like to think I'm the kind of person who would see the players using the conjure woodland beings, pixie, polymorph chain to get a bunch of T-rex and rather than the enemy just dispelling it or dropping an antimagic field, have the enemy mirror the action and charge back to see who wins the T-rex fight.

[@insertphrasehere15]

@ As a forever DM, I'd actually allow it, but foreshadow issues by having the Clerics of Mystra start looking for the player who is "breaking the rules", using the forbidden spell, etc. Mystra canonically puts these restrictions in place to limit mortal wizards, it makes sense that she'd send her clerics after rule violators.

[@consolescrub4031]

@@insertphrasehere15 Fair enough (assuming you're going for a standard forgotten realms setting for your game, otherwise one of the Lords of Dust might be interested in Eberron, Niv-Mizzet on Ravnica or Paladine's followers in Krynn could be tempted to intervene.) I imagine followers of Tiamat or Bahamut probably wouldn't appreciate someone highjacking one of their respective dragons either. That said, if they're prepared for the reasonable consequences of their actions, they can certainly try.

[@octolyn5529]

y'know a fight between 2 really powerful wizards in 5e would be so extremely cursed, there's no energy beam slinging and barrier shields like you'd see anywhere else, just nystul, magic jar and prestidigitation tech lmao

[@j.asmrgaming1228]

that has always been the case. fireballs and lightning bolts are flashy and good against large numbers of fodder; but the flashy stuff is usually not very good at high levels. that's when you get into contingencies, counterspells, and one-hit incapacitations.

[@octolyn5529]

@@j.asmrgaming1228 i know, i'm not new to optimization or tech, the comment just happens to be on-topic to the video when it wasn't in any past ones

[@j.asmrgaming1228]

@octolyn5529 and I agree with you, my intent was not to say you were wrong, but continue your thoughts.

[@octolyn5529]

@ yeah that's fair

[@RaethFennec]

My friends and I have a term for abusing shenanigans in 5e. Mayonnaise simulacrums. Basically, a level 1 artificer, level 17 wizard, a completely normal and fairly optimal build, loses their mind and takes one more level of Artificer now that they have access to Wish and have decided to ruin everything. They begin wishing for simulacrums and create a demiplane which explodes exponentially with more simulacrums, all of whom replicate magic item to create alchemy jugs. The gods have about 9 hours to stop this before it hits critical mass. After that, each of the approaching-infinity (even 1 hour is 1800?) wizards produce 4 gallons of mayonnaise from 2 alchemy jugs. At any point, a tide of infinite mayonnaise simulacrums could wash over any D&D situation like vacuum decay. See also: the Endless Mayo Sea, the Plane of Negative Mayonnaise, the Mayofell, Mayo Celestia, Mayonnaise Binding, and Nystul's Mayonnaise Aura.

[@nadirku]

If you want to be an evil DM, and/or your players are into this type of "actions have consequences" thing, you could allow the Nystul's Magic Aura + Planer binding combo to let player's build an army... Then as that starts to get boring/difficult to manage have a creature show up that can cast "dispel magic" to end Planner Binding, create an "antimagic field" to suppress Planer Binding, and/or use the Wish spell for a non-spell effect, creating an encounter where some/all of that army of mind slaves are suddenly free from the players' control...

[@xySuperManxy]

Who would win: a wizard with an army of powerful spellcasters enslaved via NMA+PB, or one beholder?

[@juliamedina3322]

I super love this. If I didn't ban this combo (which of course I would), I would definitely do this.

[@Trafoder]

WotC crafted Nystul's Box and left it to you to open. May Jeremy have mercy on our games.

[@krishollow]

The focus on balance, I've now realized, is just a focus on battling against bad players.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

Yeah there comes a point where perhaps the rules won't help you

[@RaethFennec]

Nah, bad players can only be addressed above the board. Trying to solve player problems in-game is a quick way to become a bad player yourself, PC or DM. That said, better balance benefits everyone. Especially new players, who should not need to know about a bunch of potential pitfalls before playing.

[@BigusGeekus]

To a point. Good-looking but inferior "trap" choices, whether deliberate or accidental, are another problem, as is having extremely unequal standards for performance for different types of classes (yes, I mean martial vs caster).

[@fairystail1]

tbf sometimes there are moments where as a player you go 'well if i dont do X (broken thing) then im actively limiting myself' which is not usually an issue but when its a dangerous situation and you could die, it then becomes an issue

[@diamondmx3076]

Not really, no. Some amount of optimization, whether it's picking the spell that has extra utility, or the right cleric domain to do the thing you find cool and fun, is part of the game. Balance means that normal optimization falls within an acceptable power range where the player who optimizes poorly and the one who optimizes well are still both relevant in the same encounters. Balance means that you don't have to get mad at the person who optimizes a little better, or tell the person who optimizes a little worse to suck it up and be the comedy relief - it isn't supposed to solve bad players, who can do lots of unpleasant things while sticking strictly to both rules and balance - it's supposed to solve good players who have different skill levels at optimization.

[@BlazeLycan]

I can see Nystul's essentially turning into a cold-war arms race where Evil Aligned creatures have little apprehension of doing this while Good Aligned creatures only do this so that no tyrant can come about and wreck havoc through mutually ensured destruction. Might Arcana/Knowledge Clerics work as police hunting these kinds of Wizards, with some nations requiring Wizards to be registered. This is basically the only way I see this spell working. You'd have to have so much world building around it to essentially nerf it by adding complications and problems to using it.

[@peterwhitcomb8315]

As a DM you have to make the world your players exist in “complicated.” The trick is making sure your world doesn’t descend into “GM v Player” because no one is at the table for that.

[@insertphrasehere15]

Honestly it works fine as written. Mystra sends her clerics after you for breaking the rules, and next minute you find someone casts Dispel Magic on you or your enslaved pet and you find yourself fighting whatever beastie it was at a very inopportune time.

[@BlazeLycan]

@@insertphrasehere15 when the DM is Lawful Evil.

[@DarwinAwardWinner]

Personally, I would allow the spell and just run it in the way that makes the most sense based on the name and school of magic: it doesn't actually change anything about the target, it just causes magical effects to give wrong information about the target. So if you mask a dragon to appear humanoid, it doesn't make Hold Person work on them, but it does make it so Locate Creature can't find the dragon unless you ask it for the nearest humanoid. I realize there's probably some edge cases, but overall I think this interpretation is reasonable, although as you say, it is clearly not RAW in 2024, and probably not even in 2014. On an unrelated note: I play in a campaign where the entire party is imbued with a very unusual magical effect, and my DM ruled based on the ambiguous language in the 2014 spell text that I could use the False Aura effect to hide this effect's magic aura on the party to avoid attracting attention. So I'm kind of annoyed that the 2024 spell text specifically limits False Aura to objects only, because it has a use (admittedly a rather niche one) for creatures as well.

[@animationlover219]

Yay!! Nystul’s Magic Aura at last! I haven’t watched yet, but I am so happy!

[@natezabinski5615]

Damn, I thought that oozes rolled disadvantage against sunbeam. So I checked, and they certainly did. But not in 2024!

[@danielbarnes1241]

There's also the fact that I don't think I've seen anyone cast sunbeam literally ever. Like when bg3 came out and ì saw it in game I thought they made it up for a second moonbeam 💀

[@Treblaine]

This sounds like an excellent premise for an evil wizard who wants to become a dragon.

[@HenriFaust]

A priest hijacked a dragon and rampaged through the upper planes in the _Empyrean Odyssey_ series of FR novels.

[@masqeman4000]

2:36 Your birthday wish is my command... I have liked, now I comment "and subscribe"

[@CanCan-op3bu]

I'll just put my comment here and not cause a cluster.

[@gizald]

I am that unicorn player. I played an illusionist who was hiding the fact he was a less than favored subrace. He has himself under a permanent palette swap spell and used nystul to detect as the palette swap as well. Also he disguised all of his magic items so nobody knew how much magic he was packing at any given time.

[@dezopenguin9649]

And to think that this all started back in 1E with a spell whose only function was to make ordinary things react to _detect magic._

[@1.21jiggawatts2]

I SAW KOBOLD VENT!!!

[@epsilongreen42]

I had used Nystul's Aura as a DM, but hadn't even considered this aspect. I used the effect on objects, a thief stole a powerful magic item and left a fake that had the Aura of the original. And an assassin with magic weapons used it to get his tools past a security team with Detect Magic. It was fun, these uses sound fun in a different way.

[@_mosscat]

Everyone is trying to break the game with this spell meanwhile I'm putting together a combo with Nystul's to turn into my dream anthro furr- [the guards catch me and drag me away before I can finish the sentence]

[@alfonszelicko7989]

ok. birthday - i did 'subscribe'.... after two years of consuming this chanell O:) HBD!

[@Onethirdless]

I wouldn't ban the spell, I would just rule that "willing" doesn't apply if you have to coerce the creature first, such as through charm or others.

[@hweidigiv]

That doesn't fix the "party is immune to Hold Person" aspect.

[@Onethirdless]

@hweidigiv I'm ok with that. There's always Hold Monster and Charm Monster, as well as the fact that I've played a hexblood and a satyr, both fey that are not humanoids. Same is true for autognome as a construct, or plasmoid as an ooze. That's just as cool as playing a mission suddenly requiring swimming and the Triton or Sea Elf or Water Genasi players finally get a chance to use their special skills.

[@diamondmx3076]

@@hweidigiv Honestly, spending a month per character on making a handful of (fairly nasty) spells not work on you seems like a fair trade. It's good, but it's not actually game breaking.

[@Finalplayer14]

@@diamondmx3076 Even the permanent version of Magic Aura can be removed via a simple Dispel Magic spell. No save either. 30 Days of casting work gone on that character. Not that big a deal though since the spell has no costly components.

[@TheeGrumpy]

Agreed. I see a difference between Suggestion causing a creature to choose to fail a save and causing the creature to be "willing." It will behave as commanded, but it might grumble all the while; it would be compelled to obey unwillingly. Therefore, Nystul's is for allies.

[@thiagoknofel8982]

Great Video! I've been using a homebree for my campaign's villain. A cleric of Vecna infiltrated a cult of Orkus to use its secrets, using magic jar to constantly change bodies as convenient (multiple identities, lots of deception... a true mastermind in search of arcane secrets). One of his plans is to have a monstrous body that allows him to destroy kingdoms and everything else. The part about catching other creatures was outside the rules, but now I can do it within the rules 😃 I think the next arc will be to stop him from catching a dragon 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼

[@thiagoknofel8982]

Just to clarify, this NPC is a multiclass carácter.

[@Red_Regalia99]

Okay, I actually have made full use of everything in this video in my current campaign. Im currently a lvl 18 college of eloquence/lvl 2 fighter with one epic boon. My party and I managed to planar bind a pit fiend using a 9th level slot. I then used true polymorph's full duration to turn it into an ancient brass dragon and Nystul's Magic Aura to change its creature type to humanoid and possess his body. My DM did in fact allow this. Happy birthday!!!

[@nikcantsnipe]

Oh wow. That got dark, soon.

[@StudioJLT]

I think my BBEG might use this...

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

This is also hilariously strong with the necromancy wizard’s capstone if you are up to that level hahaha “everything is now undead…”

[@AndrewBrownK]

12:30 see, kobold is a good sport. Idk why everyone gives him a hard time

[@robertno5128]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!! LOVE YOU PACK TACTICS

[@PackTactics]

❤

[@shawnrehm2394]

I was one of those few players who used nystal's aura for normal reasons. My character was a tiefling wizard and I used magic aura on myself for a month to permanently appear to spells as a non-magical human. It was part of my end game set up where the DM and I were planning to have my character go through the Ceremony of Endless Night and become a lich. I am the final villian of the campaign.

[@feedtheorist9944]

can you really force someone to be "willing" though, even with suggestion? doesn't being "willing" mean more genuinely so than being directly forced to give in by magic?

[@moonforged6343]

Happy Birthday, Kobald and Gator! I'll be sure to like and comment on every video for the year! Subscribing has been ticked for years.

[@zeevorourke6876]

Happy birthday Kobold. It's funny I only noticed this spell recently when I was researching illusion spells specifically and Im certain I didn't think of whatever you're about to tell me

[@MrRevash]

a creature is not willing if you force it via magic, just common sense, you'd have to convnce it talking

[@aaronginsberg4993]

Here's a fun interaction: could you break planar binding with Nystul's? Bad guy has a celestial guarding his keep through planar binding. Could you free the celestial by changing its creature type to something not affected by planar binding?

[@skewedviewer]

Happy birthday Pack Tactics!

[@gammalolman580]

Everyone in my home is an ooze! Honestly, this is the stupidest spell ever written in 5e. It breaks so many things and mechanics and can easily lead you to rabbit holes so large of the rules it's a big meme how dumb it is. And now the mechanics even allow stuff to be stronger due to changes! The False Aura part is extremely situational and useless... and in fact, that part is the one from the original version of this spell in 3e (simply named Magic Aura... I guess 10 years ago Nystul swooped in and added the broken part). If the False Aura effect was the only remaining one, this would be as strong as a situational 1st level spell. With the Mask effect? Probably high level of 7th level spell if we're generous about its power.

[@lukadark9761]

So I’ve never heard of this spell, so you can imagine my surprise as the video progressed. And its a shame cuz there’s REALLY COOL uses like you said. Like maybe you trick a corrupt king by promising to turn them into a dragon in exchange for the McGuffin, and then use this spell to fulfill your end of the bargin. Though the change to Suggestion seems to be the bigger problem. Anyways happy birthday!

[@diamondmx3076]

The problem with old suggestion is it was always broken, because it was very much up to GM interpretation how it worked. It could be ridiculously powerful (as the 2024 version is), or it could be a waste of a spell slot (as some DMs will rule it).

[@WTH13SERIOUSLY]

As a DM, I use Nystul's for making certain creatures undiscoverable. Rakshasas and shape changed dragons.

[@BirdBrain1337]

KOBOLD IS MY (FORMERLY-) SECRET SON! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BUDDY! I'M SO PROUD OF YOU!!!

[@shanelilly9673]

Happy Birthday Pack Tactics!!

[@joshuakotwas6635]

You said this in another video (love your stuff by the way), but it is typically called a 'Non-Disclosure-Agreement' (NDA) rather than DNA :)

[@derekthomas2959]

The Birthday Magic compelled me.

[@xiongray]

You can False Aura Magic Weapons, making it appear nonmagical. And then cast Magic Weapon Spell on it. Stacking +1/2/3 on an already +1/2/3 OR other magical weapon.

[@Xayentist]

This wouldn't work. "You touch a nonmagical weapon." & "make a magic item appear nonmagical" You are only changing the appearance of it to magic that detects magical effects "You change the way the target appears to spells and magical effects that detect magical auras, such as Detect Magic." This is NOT the same thing as making it a non-magical item which means it is an invalid target for magic weapon. So I would rule this as the weapon appears to be a valid target but when the spell is cast it fizzles and does nothing but gives the impression of success.

[@xiongray]

@Xayentist "Spells" and "Magical effects that detect magical auras" are two different criteria. A parallel is Animate Dead. A "pile of bones" or "corpse of a small or medium humanoid." Not a "pile of bones or corpse" of a small or medium humanoid.

[@pyrocrasty]

@@xiongray Although it's ambiguous, in this case it's pretty clear that the phrase means "(spells and magical effects) that detect magical auras". If for some reason they wanted to include *all* spells, but only (non-spell) magical effects that detect magical auras, it would have made that clear.

[@dizzydoom4230]

"appear" nonmagical, not "is" nonmagical. Personally, I think that wording alone is enough to keep it balanced.

[@xiongray]

@@dizzydoom4230 It's kind of the whole point of Nystul's Magic Aura. Treating things as others for the purpose to be targetable by certain Spells.

[@moonlight2870]

You can't force someone to be willing. That's not how consent works.

[@PackTactics]

Consent doesn’t matter.

[@moonlight2870]

@PackTactics AYO

[@pokepaladdy]

My only use I've used Nystul's for is to help a new player who joined as a goblin after we've had recurring enemies involving nilbogs. Outside of that I've agreed not to do anything with the spell. P.S. Happy birthday!

[@deathwishjoe]

Happy birthday for KZbin algorithm engagement

[@sheilwood]

Happy birthday you two!

[@marekkoperdak5864]

I think there is a pretty simple fix to this. To me, the old version of the spell seemed intended to confuse all the types of detection magic. So that's how I'll run it if it comes up in my game: nystuling a humanoid into a fey will make detect evil and good, divine sense or creature type-based triggers for glyph of warding treat them as a fey, but they are still physically a humanoid, so hold person and dominate person still affect them. And if someone still wants to planar bind/magic jar something, they still can using true polymorph which feels like much more appropriately strong magic to do something like this.

[@airistal]

True polymorph has exemptions that don't allow you to gain legendary resistance even if the creature you turn into does.

[@marekkoperdak5864]

@@airistal I'm pretty sure you still get the legendary resistance of your new form, but I wasn't even talking about legendary resistance. I was referring to the fact that you can use true polymorph to change the creature type of a party member or monster in case nystul is banned/nerfed at your table. It makes more sense to me that you'd need a 9th level spell like true polymorph instead of a 2nd level one to do something as exploitable as changing a creature's creature type.

[@TylerHanna]

Suggestion also says "must not involve anything that would obviously deal damage to the target or it's allies." I feel like "let us cast whatever spell we want on you" is pretty obvious code for "we'd like to fuck up your day."

[@TylerHanna]

A good litmus test for Suggestion is the Jedi Mind Trick. You can tell the guard "just let us pass with my pet owlbear, he's tame." You can't tell the guard "hey lie down and let my pet owlbear use you as a chew toy for a bit. Don't worry, he's tame."

[@basedeltazero714]

Yeah. It used to be 'anything that would obviously harm the target'. But now it's damage. Nystul's Magic Aura doesn't deal *damage*. This is probably a flaw.

[@TylerHanna]

@@basedeltazero714 Yep, this is one change in 2024 I'm conflicted on. Obviously they were trying to improve the clarity of the spell; it allows one to make the yes/no decision in the shortest amount of time, but it ends up taking away the DM's right to say "No, that Suggestion may not lead to immediate damage, but there's no way you're convincing this guy to do something that could clearly lead to bodily or mental harm." For Nystul's Aura (or any similar tricky spell), I'd require some very solid role-play setup and a very high-DC Deception check to justify it.

[@YanWindFW]

Conglatulations on the 4th anniversary! Lots of loot for you

[@maximwilliamson7874]

I felt magically compelled to comment on this video, I am unsure why. Happy Birthday!

[@fallenjedi3015]

Thanks for the video, Kobold! Happy birthday!! 🎉🎂

[@michaelhenry7510]

Happy Birthday Kobold & & Gator

[@ussxrequin]

When he said "End of video", I was like "Yeah that was a good video, I love this channel and its lovable characters!" before we were told he didn't do the thing xD

[@medge734]

happy egg escape day!

[@DaKirbinator]

Happy Birthday to my favorite Kobolds [creature type masked]

[@donniesnyman2517]

I love this spell💖 And I love Kobolds much more than tieflings

[@ThisChangeIsAwful]

I got a good chuckle out of your disclaimer because i just got out of a meeting with my DM about changes i made to my character and the idea i have for what she wants to do

[@Johnnyhitman411]

In my games I think I would allow Nystul’s with the exception that it only affects spells that Seek to Know your creature type. Makes it a good villain spell or disguise spell for the party to be sneaky. That is unless I’m forgetting another spell that hides alignment/Creature type.

[@matttedford7017]

Happy Birthday Engagment. Great vid!

[@robertcbowman6097]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!

[@joepellicci8518]

2:36 happy birthday, I’m glad my players can’t read and don’t know what any of the spells do and don’t pick spells if they don’t see a big dice notation (8d6)

[@PaladinMthe13th]

Happy Birthday! Thanks for making so many great videos!

[@Raelis_]

Happy Birthday Pack Tactics!🎉

[@zenith110]

Funny enough , I agree with the fact it's problematic used in its most optimal way, just like you explain, but I also happen to believe it's the MOST D&D type BS for 5e to have. It's a weird thing right? Like this combo feels practically retro when compared the rest of 5e. It feels like it's right out of 2e. But let me tell ya Mr. Kobold, I can't agree MORE with the sentiment for the random WotC Andys somehow arguing against the position. Makes no sense! Still, responsible optimization is the way. Be well, and Mr. Gator too!

[@trueseeker5]

Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great one!!!

[@MaximilianLeonhard]

In my games (5th edition), I drew a clear line between how something is perceived and what it actually is. Nystul's Magic Aura changes how a target is perceived by various detection methods, but it does not alter the creature's actual type. In the FR lore, there are examples of effects that did change a creature's actual type, for example two rituals of Solitude of Elven High Magic (c). One of them, Akh'Faen`Tel'Quess (Life of Duty, Form of the People's Need) was used, among other things, to enact the most severe form of punishment - transforming an elven criminal into a drow (the ultimate penalty, which not only exiles the elf from society but also binds their soul to Lolth, preventing them from ever reaching Arvandor or reincarnating normally). Another is Kai'Soehtakal (Skin and Breath of the Wyrm), which allowed the Selu'taar (Elven High Mage) to adopt the aura of a friendly metallic dragon, literally gaslighting existence into thinking that you're a dragon and granting you all their perks and abilities. Yes, this makes the spell much more niche. But in my games, skilled wizards and other creatures actively used detection methods, so this spell still had its uses.

[@kevindaniel1337]

Happy birthday Kobold! Love your style and your content.

[@edheldude]

My favorite use of _NMA_ is to change your type to an outsider (an Aberration, a Celestial, an Elemental, a Fey, or a Fiend) and cast _Banishment_ on yourself. Low level planar travel. "The target is instead transported to a random location on a plane (DM’s choice) associated with its creature type."

[@jarodt1404]

Can't argue with these birthday wishes.

[@nailttv6776]

Happy Birthday! 🎂

[@יהלירוזנבאום-ט3ב]

A wish is a wish, and I'm so happy you finnally made this video.❤ So I'm subscribing

[@Hideyoshi_Apnosis]

Happy Birthday! Love your channel

[@PotofGlue]

Counterpoint: that's literally sociopath logic, a creature being mind controlled is in no way willing

[@blshouse]

Sociopath logic? Sure. D&D 5.24 Rules As Written and Rules As Intended? Also sure.

[@eigonofcarim1406]

*under DNA comment

[@bensawyer599]

Happy birthday! Many happy returns and wish you many more years!

[@dxjxc91]

I want to allow the more benign magic aura shenanigans, so my pre-emptive house rule is: you can't willingly fail a save against charm, fear, or domination type effects (including suggestion) and these effects count as an attack/damage for the purposes of ending similar effects. And magic aura can be ended at will by the target creature or caster for target object.

[@Phiro00]

I love breaking the game like this

[@geltric4779]

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG

[@cruciometal8992]

Happy birthday!! May many more video's follow!

[@ChibiHoboProductions]

I had a lich for a one shot that had disguised himself as a human and masked with Nystul. Pretending to be a priest of kelemvor, he would quietly create undead monstrosities in the very catacombs of the city's elite.

[@DM-Sym]

Happy birthday! Day late on the birthday wishes, but better late than never. This video reminds me of the time I got pissed off at Silvery Barbs and made it a 2nd level spell in my game, lol

[@garethnaude1175]

Previously subscribed, but liked and commented for your birthday

[@gabrielmentasti3115]

1. Liked 2. Already suscribed 3. Posting a comment I, for one, believe the suggestions from our kobold overlord are achievable

[@zerois000]

I failed my save against the birthday wish but you already earned all 3! Happy birthday!

[@travwolfe101]

I think consodering a creature under suggestion as willing is a stretch. They are suggested to do something and have to act as though its natural, that doesnt mean its willingly. I wouldnt rule someone forced to agree via suggestion as willing. You could absolutely use it to suggest they fail a save but that still isnt willingly going ahead with it. Like i can suggest they fail their save for control monster and get control but they didnt willingly give conteol, they only did it because of the effect of suggestion.

[@angrypoptart5912]

Happy birthday. I did all 3, thank you for the wonderful content you put out. I wish for many more years for you to celebrate

[@CherryDad]

My character in this game i was playing had a lich-heavy storyline. My macguffin when combined with my weapon allowed some level of soul manipulation and magic. So i used Nystul (False Aura) to hide its capability with 30 day permanence.

[@Natural_Power]

Happy birth! When I was looking at spells for a funny little rat-loving wizard character I was kind of doubting if I really wanted Nystul's cuz it took away my chance to get a cooler spell But the more I thought about it, the more I realized...

[@muddlewait8844]

Been waiting for this one! Woohoo!

[@CrimsomZero]

Happy Birthday Kobold and Gator!

[@luistestart135]

Comment as per Kobold's wish Happy birthday Kobold 🎉

[@NoSteppie]

Merry Birthsmas, kobolds.

[@vololudo4671]

I feel compelled to tell you glad tidings to the anniversary of your arrival on this planet. Happy cereal day as well