The End of the Obama Coalition

[@aaronkottke2518]

Obama’s legacy not looking so hot lately

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

Unfortunately when Obama tried to talk to the crazies in his own party, they preferred to blame Obama not the craziest.

[@pr-tj5by]

@@SamSung-nf6tr Who are the crazies ?

[@smittywerberjaegarmenjense3566]

how so?

[@kevinwoolley7960]

​@@SamSung-nf6tr You mean him scolding and talking down to black men? People really don't like condescension.

[@birdstrikes]

@@kevinwoolley7960 just wait. trump loves his uneducated.

[@tusker2418]

I'm 10 minutes into this and the only thing I am taking away from this is that Democrats lost, frankly, cause they are a bunch of stuck up snobs.

[@divinedemonj]

Worse, snobs that constantly break each others toes to get to an answer.

[@andywomack3414]

Was policy ever mentioned?

[@richardsimms251]

Very true and I am a Democrat

[@rjs8044]

Yes they are!

[@alexcannon9364]

Yes and here are two of them who have learned nothing.

[@glum_hippo]

The critical question for me is this: isn't it possible the Democratic party establishment simply DOESN'T MIND losing, as long as they don't lose to the progressive wing of their own party? It seems their vigorous efforts to sideline Bernie were much more focused and credible than their attempts to defeat Trump.

[@anthonyjimenez96]

Correct take

[@RyanRuark]

Oh the establishment Democrats are very much prepared to cash checks for themselves while putting on the face of ‘the party of opposition.’

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

Ridiculous

[@anthonyjimenez96]

@@SamSung-nf6trhave people like you even been paying attention long enough to remember the Super Tuesday coup the Dems pulled in 2020? Use your SamSung to Google how we got here

[@theYoungPilots]

Wrong. The Democrats don't mind losing as long as they are loyal to the donor class.

[@triplea657aaa]

Turns out people don't want a 4th Obama term...

[@Dan-dj7kl]

Funny thing is Obama would serve 4 terms if he was allowed. The Obama brand only works with Obama, a generational speaker and figure. Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris are all sidekicks with absolutely none of his charisma

[@marshallscot]

The Dems have made the mistake that people actually liked Obama for his policies, when most people voted for him based off his personal charisma. The Obama coalition was lightning in a bottle.

[@user-ss1xg9oj1h]

2024 Democratic Party: Bernie speaks at the DNC about how billionaires control the political system. The very next speaker is Illinois governor J.B. Pritzer, who brags about being a billionaire.

[@dgib1694]

Discussing how identity politics have been and should be 'navigated' just show why the democrats are drowning

[@marlonbrimmer]

Harris avoided identity politics like the plaque in her campaign so this is bs.

[@evan7743]

And letting the far- left progressive faction dictate their policies, regardless of whether it was an overall sound policy or not once enacted in real life. Like a parent who never says no to any demands by their children, reasonable or not, the out of touch DNC elites seem to have lost common sense and a backbone.

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

If you don't realize Republican elites do the same thing, your living in fantasy land.

[@pastramiking6874]

They're saying different things to different people all the time instead of having a broader message that works for most Americans

[@ryanh8764]

@@pastramiking6874yes you nailed it

[@jezkerjamez7110]

We need a 21st century FDR and we could have had one if the Democratic establishment didn’t give Bernie Sanders the shaft. Time to create a 21st century economic bill of rights.

[@keenannorris3309]

Amen.

[@deplorable-x9q]

@@keenannorris3309 Bernie was a non-starter. He was against the perpetual warfare state, opposed open borders, and wasn't big on identity politics. The democratic establishment wanted none of that in 2016 and 2020.

[@amcynic]

You already have one. It was called the Communist Manifesto.

[@neogeo6431]

@@amcynic We already have one it's called the torah

[@brettcase4129]

It’s called capitalism.. or as I prefer to call it survival of the fittest…

[@RC4RC]

I beg you to interview the staff of these progressive nonprofits who have attempted to unionize at their own organization. Not the Executive Director, not their board members, I'm talking about the staff at the bottom who carry out this work directly. You will be shocked at how quickly the nonprofit's leadership and board become staunchly anti-union, and crush not only the labor movement itself BUT ALSO manages to exploit, burn out and push away those who want to do this work. This happens even when economic justice or labor rights are explicitly in line with their organization's mission. This is a MAJOR problem for our progressive industry.

[@johndavenport8843]

America is tired of politicans and a system that doesnt work, that more than anything else is how Trymp got elected in the first place.

[@magdovus]

You referred to the Tory loss in the UK. As a Brit who leans centre-right, the Tories lost for some basic reasons- they completely lost the confidence of the electorate (Partygate, Truss), they started talking crap that is fundamentally unBritish (Rwanda, attacking small boat immigrants), they'd been in power too long (14 years and it was starting to show) and then Labour had an electable candidate- Starmer is boring (which isn't a bad thing in British politics right now) and he managed to clear out the "loony left" that has never worked for Labour. The Tories as a party didn't really have anything to offer any more.

[@sjolson68]

The irony here is that if you compare the US and UK governments and how they've effectively operated with respect to spending as far back as Tony Blair's govt, it's been quite similar. Perhaps not surprising on its face, given how closely tied the countries are, but then if you look at the party who controlled the government in each place, it didn't matter if it was Tory in the UK and Democrats in the States or vice versa - the financial policies played out similar for the public but the rhetoric/narratives were deceptively aligned with getting them elected, but no promises kept.

[@WilliamThompson-b1j]

Most Americans will not ever want "woke" to be the dominant culture

[@greendesertgoddess]

Still can't say "Working Poor!"

[@swcordovaf]

The non profit industrial complex….. put it up as another machination to add to the other complexes of influencers who don’t have mass support.

[@joshntn37111]

OMG!! Ezra!! My favorite liberal! If all Democrats were like Ezra, we garbage maggots, may have some competition on our hands. Thanks Ezra for the great insight! 😊

[@doctorberkowitz]

How to listen * more * to the people it pretends to serve, and listen * less * to the people it's pretending not to be puppets of. FASCINATING!! This guy's a genius.

[@IamBrixTM]

A long argument for rejecting progressivism as if Democrats cared about that to begin with

[@europa_bambaataa]

Krystal & Saagar have tried to talk about grift 50 times, but they're always too cynical. This conversation made me understand it way better

[@seraph5765]

Saagar is a grifter. His analysis is always pointless and bad.

[@fabsmaster5309]

Yeah, it’s interesting to hear people on the inside and how they justify it. Almost no one gets up in the morning and thinks “How do I lie to the public and destroy the country so I can get rich?”

[@cwidd1929]

Krystal Ball is a known grifter, so big surprise.

[@twyckoff87]

Micheal Lind is one of the best voices for understanding our current dysfunctional situation.

[@LoriTianSailiata]

Biden spent his entire career as a Neoliberal champion of the Credit Industry (Delaware), Wall Street, For-Profit Prisons (1990s Pipeline to Prison), and blindly pro-Zionist. His actual policies in office were quite surprising. Note: he did NOT run on that progressive record. Which makes me think they were concessions to Sanders, and not coming from Biden. Harris sidelining progressives in the general to pivot towards Cheney and celebrities also makes me question where she would stand once in office. I haven’t talked to a single Trump voter who likes Trump. There’s just a lack of trust towards the DNC as an institution. And that had an effect on down-ballot races. 🤨

[@ryanjacobson2508]

And the media/establishment says "he's from Scranton" and "blue collar people like his personality" etc.... They scarcely can point to any actual policy he's championed to help the general populace.

[@teddmented]

“Blindly pro-zionist” tells me you’re in the “progressive” mold which is so far left it leans marxist, DEI quotas, reverse racist and lost Harris the election. And fyi, he ran on Scranton because that’s what won him the election - not his “progressive” record.

[@nedludd3641]

This is excellent. Good on you for posting this.

[@bensweiss]

The voters are transactional and will move to those who serve their interests.

[@oscarpistorius3710]

Then who defines their interests.

[@danieldougan269]

@@oscarpistorius3710 Well, Trump SAID explicitly that he did. He was going to bring the prices down. Of course, it's a load of crap because the President doesn't control prices, but enough people believed him anyway. The greatest trick Trump ever pulled was pretending to care about the working class.

[@bensweiss]

@oscarpistorius3710 I assume they would try to.

[@RaviNayyar]

EXACTLY - democracy is about voters making a call.

[@Phlegethon]

You’re saying voters should just keep voting for the same party that doesn’t serve their interests? No wonder dems lost

[@DevDogra-w9p]

We need the new deal coalition back.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

But most Dems have been trashing the mid-20th century as hopelessly -ist and -phobic....

[@Besdayz]

you sold them out to the corporate elites. big pharma big tech.

[@rjs8044]

I am so grateful for your podcasts & have learned more than I did in most of my college political science classes.

[@GrammarSplaining]

The dogs don't like the food.

[@drewastolfi6840]

Well that is harsh...but serriously this ALPO could be better

[@RM-dc6zd]

We are tired of identity politics. Period. Keep talking about it, and you will keep losing. Obama was great, the real deal. Kamala was not. And neither are the grievance studies people.

[@PHL1213]

Agreed 👍

[@JG.777]

Yes. This and that monolith. More tired, aged, and tone deaf analysis.

[@alexanderclaylavin]

Obama was an inspiring orator and little else.

[@RM-dc6zd]

@ He was brilliant as a student (magna cum laude at top universities, editor/president of the law review), was well regarded as a teacher at a top university, served well as a state and later US senator, wrote best selling books, etc. prior to being a highly successful President. You can disagree with his views but he outmaneuvered and frustrated Republicans the entire time he was in office, so he is not just an inspiring orator. Glad you were inspired though.

[@paullunsford8921]

Oh my god, it’s a National bureaucratic patronage network!!! He’s figured out what every intelligent conservative has known for at least 4 years. Many much longer.

[@bwmanarific]

National bureaucratic patronage network based on race and influence from identity politics mind you 😂

[@ethanddog31]

I worked on both Bernie campaigns and I hate Obama. Trump is his fault more than anybody.

[@keligarrett63]

Little liberal bubbles everywhere and not a single substantive issue to stand on. Not anti-war, anti-oligarchy, so obviously not pro workers.

[@arcana_mystery]

We are pro union and anti gun. Both save lives.

[@marshallscot]

​@@arcana_mystery "anti-gun saves lives" lmao

[@baj5763]

wrong

[@RaviNayyar]

Love this conversation.

[@andywomack3414]

"...had I set these policies in the 1980's I'd be considered a moderate Republican." -Barack Obama 2014 Univision interview. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGialp-XfK6mgbc I might have missed it, but at no time during this interview did I hear discussion about policy, when one of the reasons the Democrats have utterly failed under Obama leadership are these wrong-headed ideas about policy. Before I knew it as neoliberal, I knew it as Reaganomics, and it's the Democrats acceptance of Reaganomics that is leading to their downfall. Democrats won a majority of people making more than 100,000 per year. They lost all other income levels.

[@tomasdvorak7487]

This is excellent

[@flowry1978]

Lets see...in 2004 we were told to suck it when Dubya romped home. Now the Republicans pretend he doesnt exist. Lets see how things are in 2028

[@11equalsfish]

Another interesting episode. Politics is very different in this short time. Very risky things are happening.

[@LearnedSome]

This podcast should be renamed Dismantling Democracy.

[@georgefurman4371]

The end of reformism as a political position. That is what it means. The political myopia is amazing. Always trying to save capitalism and perpetuate its social contract. The absence of a transitional mentality of change is absolutely defeating for the possibility of progress.

[@DasRaetsel]

What do you mean by that?

[@georgefurman4371]

@ everybody … well not everybody . But most everyone takes this social contract for granted . As a permanent normal way of life . Even in science fiction is proposed the same capitalist way of managing and distributing the product of work( wealth). As we were fossilized into this manner of living socioeconomic ally and politically. Either a monarchy or a direct wealthy anarchic way of life. Without an evolutionary process of change into a better stage of human social organization. There is an absence of a transitional change mentality that could improve our humanity in every context of our interaction. On the side of the wealthy there is only their addiction to hoard wealth unlimited. An obsessive compulsion to impose their mentality . On the side of the people only an ignorance imposed by injustice and a sacrificial option for the ones with a conscience .

[@baj5763]

There has been no end of a "transitional mentality of change". What do you think Trump represents?

[@georgefurman4371]

@@baj5763 trump represents what his personal life represents and has been. Mediocrity as a moral person, megalomaniac, and unhinged in his desperation for power. Just like the social class he belongs to. The wealthy class champion will fight for his particular faithful family of wealthy people. He doesnt think as a normal regular citizen. He thinks as a wealthy hoarder of power. And he sees the majority as disposable and despise the poor . That is what you can expect from Trump and the people with the power to abuse power. Those that surround Trump permanently. He represents the past guilded age of the aristocracy.

[@HebaruSan]

We should be having these conversations far enough in advance to avert catastrophes

[@bwmanarific]

Remember these conversations were "banned" from these political circles just a year ago. All of them supported and loved Biden and wanted him to run again. If you showed major disloyalty you were eaten by the left

[@haydenmitchell7583]

These people have no idea what they are talking about. We cannot throw trans people, police reform, immigrants, etc. under the bus. We have the better ideas we just need to communicate how they are better for everyone. its gatekepers like these guys that are holding back the whole party.

[@avengemybreath3084]

Ha! Yes keep pushing those unpopular ideas!

[@haydenmitchell7583]

@avengemybreath3084 progressive and socialist policies are objectively more popular. They out perform democrats in elections and in polls. Red states routinely vote for props like increasing minimum wage and abortion protections. The problem is the messenger not the message. It is just factually true that immigrants and trans people are not the problem, and that Americans don't hate them as much as it might seem.

[@avengemybreath3084]

@ if you think immigration and trans issues are all about “hate” you are spectacularly wrong. You are correct about the popularity of certain “progressive” spending programs. But PLEASE do insist that the Democrats keep running on a platform of labeling as hateful bigots everyone who disagrees with open borders, medicalizing children, and releasing criminals. I promise it will work, you just need a better messenger!

[@haydenmitchell7583]

@@avengemybreath3084 If it not hate then it's fear. Trans people and immigrants are not the problem. At all. In fact immigration is a great asset to our country, keeping our economy ahead of the rest of the developed world. A massive cultural asset too. We don't have open borders and no one is calling for that. No one is "transing" the children. So if people are seeing them as the problem, which they factually are not, it's either because they are hateful against them, or because they are being bombarded with propaganda lying to them and believe completely false things. Either way it's the wrong way to go. Dems will never out-fascist the republicans, so it's a fools errand. Plus even if progressive policies weren't popular, which I believe they are, they are the morally correct policies. Abolition wasn't popular, neither was civil rights, but you fight for those things and to change people minds because it's the right thing to do.

[@web9529]

This summarized a lot of thoughts I had but couldn't quite make sense of, great talk.

[@JohnSmith-vy7ck]

Obama and his ilk lost. It’s over and America can finally move on from his constituency. And I voted for him in 2008/12 and regretted it forever. Voted Trump in 2024. 🙌🇺🇸 @crookedmedia

[@Homer92]

You had me until you said jon fetterman. The guy is disgusting in some respects, and extraordinary moderate in nearly all others. Wanting to elect him is akin to wanting to elect Kristin Sinema. I challenge you David, I respect you and I have valued your thoughts for a long time, but go back to the drawing board and choose someone who more fits the "disrupt" archetype you outline, even if you may not agree with all their policies or may find them radical. These messages can speak to a working class person when communicated well more than a dude who wears a hoodie but stands for next to nothing ever will.

[@DasRaetsel]

What do you do about people wrongly calling something communism or socialism because Fox news tells them?

[@bwmanarific]

⁠@@DasRaetselwhat do you do to people who wrongly calls something facism cause MSNBC tells them to? 😂

[@nuance8530]

"It's the economy stupid" Every establishment candidate lost in every developed nation and this idiot's takeaway is abandon some minorities, don't reform policing.

[@DasRaetsel]

I think we just need new ideas that everyone can get behind. Maybe talk about "positive reforms" or something. Tim Walz and JD Vance talking amicably about Finland during their debate was an interesting sight to see.

[@starbuckstark4745]

Some of us moms keep saying STOP alienating progressives. They will never listen.

[@emdragowsky2967]

why did Harris/Walz fail in turnout? Biden/Harris won 81M vs 74M votes, whereas Harris/Walz are looking at about 74M while Rep about 77. That's a 4M vote drop (yes, this year stats are incomplete, and i'm projecting CA stats). The focus on percentage split is incomplete, without considering the total turnout issue.

[@brreezy421]

They were terrible candidates and a lot more ppl voted in 2020 cuz of covid and mail in ballot was so prominent due to it

[@KJango804]

because the need to vote wasnt felt enough in cities. Repubs are mostly busniess owners , employees most likely demo. Money is percieved different on each side. Besides everyone was home on the internet in 2020 so information given was probably looked at better because most people had time to injest

[@Readabookfoofoo]

You failed NYT. You did.

[@alexanderclaylavin]

They have fulfilled their exact mandate , just as in 2016.

[@alquinn8576]

Trump will be great for their subscriptions; things are going to plan

[@Ryan-wf6ib]

How the party of the working class lost hispanics but gained college whites is a disgrace. This wasn't supposed to be our party.

[@iankclark]

“Sit down and read. Educate yourselves for the coming conflicts”. As someone who left the left, I think the right is doing more extensive reading lately.

[@alexanderclaylavin]

Hahaha that’s some rich cogni-disso.

[@iankclark]

@@alexanderclaylavin cogni-disso, that’s so cool, also serenely unaware.

[@baj5763]

lol

[@iankclark]

Hohoho I mean outside your fenced in technocratic, autogynophilic, materialistic, smug analysis hohoho

[@shancaelum-c2i]

Obama told everyone to drop out and back Biden in the primary and Sen Bernie supporters vote for the republican party

[@Nnamwerd]

Wrong wrong wrong. People want Economic populism. They want someone in between Biden and Bernie who can communicate like Obama. Simple slogans with nice looking people and Democrats get 90 million votes.

[@marlonbrimmer]

This is such a liberal discussion. Trying to hyper focus on identity politics and woke like that was the reason harris lost. When in reality she purposely avoided using identity politics as a political strategy. No, its the status quo meo liberalism that you too support amd defend that is the issue

[@Yzyenthusiast]

Identity politics and woke

[@AlTarif]

Do you think the electorate forgot about her record as a Senator and weren't aware that she was just role playing a centrist?

[@Forester-]

You can't just ignore identity politics as the democratic nominee. Everyone in the country associates it with the party Harris represented and remembers everything she has said or done up until 3 months ago. If she really wanted to distance herself from that issue she would have to actually speak out against parts of it and we all know that wasn't going to happen.

[@kevinwoolley7960]

​@@AlTarifThis was crucial to her failure. She stood for extreme far left policies in 2020 and when questioned about the flip flopping said "my values haven't changed". I think most people saw through that.

[@EdwardDollar-r2u]

@@AlTarif In a country where over 40% can't name the vice president in any given presidency? Yeah, I do.

[@richardsimms251]

Where is Joe DiMaggio ?

[@BrazilDan1]

One problem with the kind of "post-neoliberalism" that seems to be dominant now is that it criticizes the idea of free-flow (of money, goods and people) and changes direction towards closure, but hasn't really addressed the other, arguably more important, central aspect of neoliberalism, which is the retreat of the state both as a (re)distributive actor, and a provider of universal public goods and services. That aspect seems to remain largely untouched, which makes sense considering the current correlation of power between the capital owner and working classes in both parties, and even in other developed countries.

[@Ninjaforrver]

I’m annoyed how much these guys are trying to pin this on trans rights groups.

[@moguls914]

Sadly, we're easy to throw under the bus

[@qqqcalls]

Its the reason why I stopped supporting the Democrats.

[@jonathanpeterson4028]

This guest seems like he doesn’t have a lot of experience working with or in non profits or philanthropy (at least in the Southeast - mid Atlantic). Sounds off base from my experience within the first 15 min of this pod. I’m Pro labor and pro collective bargaining but dude seems to want to come across as anti bias at the expense of the actual progress we’ve made on social goals. His overall social political narrative or diagnostic is abundant on the internet but his details seem off, repugnant and smell of the elitism he is trying to critique. Bring a Habitat for Humanity regional leader on, mid level union managers, and failed Amazon union organizers on if you really care about getting out of the Ivy league tower and talking to the working class.

[@awuma]

Outstanding discussion. Similar developments are seen in other countries, e.g. Poland, where only a couple or so of the 100 biggest towns and cities have Law & Justice (PiS, overtly Trumpist) supporting mayors. The city-rural political divide is very clear in most developed electorally democratic nations. 39:13 The power of the "non-profit complex" versus that of mass organizations is a fascinating observation, the "non-profits" supporting "astro-turf" instead of real grassroots. The trans activists and DEI advocates are clearly "astro-turf". 44:57 These small groups used to be called "pressure groups". The fact that they are funded by grants makes them inordinately powerful, something that didn't exist 50 or 60 years ago.

[@traviscutler9912]

Biden supported minimum wage? How?!?!?!?

[@JenniferCallahan-t6o]

at 31:29 - made me think of news coverage after Obama beat Romney, and the talk of how the G.O.P. would need to do an autopsy of their party because they, at that moment, seemed so terribly irrelevant to modern life and politics. And what happened after Obama no one would have imagined in their wildest dreams. So it could be equally true that we'll be stunned again in 4 years in a way we are truly not even imagining at all right now. in 1984 Ronald Reagan won every state in the country except for Minnesota, and in 1992 Clinton won with 370 electoral votes. One of the most reliable characteristic of American voting is huge swings back and forth, and I wonder if that would continue to happen even if the parties never changed dramatically

[@philosopher2king]

This is an amazing interview. However, I take issue with the use of “realignment“ as opposed to “establishment“. The realignment isn’t to the right, and the anti-incumbency “trend“ that Democrats keep quoting, is very selective. They’re only choosing a handful of countries. The big difference between both parties teaches a lesson that Democrats are just not going to heed; say what you want about Republicans and Trump, their party allows for an actually democratic primary election. The DNC does not. Clinton was shoved down our throats in 2016 when the push was really going towards Bernie Sanders. In 2020 when Bernie was winning again, Obama had to orchestrate a super delegate coup with Clyburn to sideline Bernie again, and while Biden won that election, he also barely won against that very very unpopular President. And just over 100 days ago, Biden and/or The DNC, it is not clear yet, anointed Harris when what we should have really an open convention. Republicans are better able to tap into the electric by RESPECTING their base. Democrats have the shattered illusion that somehow their base is more diverse and energized but reserve the right to shoot down a candidate they think won’t win and give us one that loses.

[@JohnR22926]

Don't appoint ideologues. Best advice ever.

[@JDK516]

Trump chose ideologue JD Vance as his running mate, and he won.

[@MrEvfrajr]

No way people really talk like this. Bring back non college educated non partisian local journalists

[@Jay-z2x]

@@MrEvfrajr that’s the voter block that was lost so maybe that’s a good idea

[@jmorrison230582]

they all got laid off when people stopped buying local papers

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

They do. It's ashame your never been in the room.

[@MrBearcatjew]

When has Ezra Klein talked to someone who makes under 60k a year

[@arcana_mystery]

Ezra your opening statement was great very little vocal fry. But as soon as you start talking to your guests the vocal fry kicks in and it makes it impossible for me to listen. Please I like your show but your vocal fry is off the charts.

[@alexanderclaylavin]

You just saw the Pavements movie, how adorable

[@DohertyT2319]

Finally some actual analysis

[@Runnerdude360]

Love the intro music

[@lifeisgood12341]

My non profit staffer says I shouldn't listen to you

[@jonesrjones6257]

In the Obama clip he begrudgingly admits that the opposition "may love their kids". Is this because he is strugglingly trying to come to this conclusion or because he senses his audience can't fathom that this can be true without Progressivism? Either way, it explains why Democrats deservedly performed so poorly.

[@arcana_mystery]

It does seem their love of guns trumps their love of their kids. Will they give an inch on that to save children ?

[@kevinwoolley7960]

​@@arcana_mystery People can do both things at once. Guns aren't remotely the most important thing for child health, social media is about 1,000 times as important.

[@EdwardDollar-r2u]

@@kevinwoolley7960 By "health" are you including death? Because the number one killer of children in this country are gunmen.

[@michaelandrew964]

Yes, their policy is more left but too far and they missed the target

[@ckq]

tear down the democratic party and let a new party form that builds a coalition of everyone who dislikes Trump's policies (probably 70% of Americans). This era of boomer politicians is over, we need to pivot to a new party that distinguishes itself as not being corrupt that it makes Trump's blatant corruption clear as day. And then being more receptive to the base.

[@kevinwoolley7960]

I don't think you paid any attention to this podcast. Closed borders and the end of race based preferences and curbing transgender surgeries in preteens are supported overwhelmingly in all demographic groups including majorities of non white voters. This is why Trump won, and if the Democratic party wants to do otherwise, they had better get used to losing elections for a decade.

[@fromcolorado3367]

I have yet to listen to this podcast, but I'm thrilled to see Michael Lind as your guest. His is a voice that needs to be heard more.

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

I swear to god these people are still living in 2016. Newsflash Geniuses: *The Obama Coaliation has been dead for nearly a decade.* How is this STILL something you’re discussing? Democrats had 8 years to wake up, and yet here we are.

[@noelheberling3143]

My thought exactly. The "this is Obama's fault" clickbait title is way off base. What they're missing is that Trump is a direct reaction to Obama and the democrats never adjusted. They thought Hillary and Harris could be another Obama. However, Obama was an anomaly that caught fire in the Primary. When's the last time we had a real primary? When's the last time we had a grass roots activist on the ballot? Instead we keep getting forced to choose between corporate pawn and criminal. Funny that America chose the criminal over corporate pawn as the lesser of the two evils.

[@davidm6149]

@@noelheberling3143some would say 2020 was a primary till everyone but Bernie dropped out and backed Biden

[@coyohma8947]

@@noelheberling3143Obama installed Harris and called black men sexist weeks before the election, among other politically dubious moves. His influence has remained.

[@JenniferCallahan-t6o]

I wonder if democrats make it more of an imperative to line up behind trans rights and the right to an abortion, I wonder if that's because of the fear and threat of dying because you can't get an abortion (and along with that the steady and recently push toward an abortion ban that will never stop, even if it never happens) and also with trans rights the fear of physical violence and potential being killed because your trans. Transgender people are much more likely to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. When people are truly living with that hanging over their head. When they live with that not just as an idea they recognize, but a drastic physically reality, I can see how democrats would want to make sure there is a more exact alignment in the party. it's really just a natural consequence of their worst fears.

[@JenniferCallahan-t6o]

I wonder if the thing America voters award more than anything else is just charisma. Something Reagan, Clinton, Obama, Trump had in common is they were perceived as exceptionally charismatic figures who excited the public, and the public experienced a genuine emotional response to all of those figures. Winning might come down to the true charisma candidate making their way to the surface of the race regardless of party or ideas. It's concerning. Maybe that's just the nature of the beast, or maybe it the natural consequence of the society of the spectacle that turns the public into the viewer and ultimates makes them docile. All the candidates that have lost are a bit more boring, dull and they just didn't have the charisma key, they may have been the best presidents but our society isn't oriented around that and I can't see how that's changeable.

[@DasRaetsel]

I think it's less so charisma and moreso relatability...people are likeable if you meet people where they're at.

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

Thank you this was a most interesting episode

[@honahwikeepa2115]

Release the Epstein and Diddy lists.

[@neiljeffers4746]

Republicans 10% Dem 20% independence 70% majority

[@evan7743]

If both parties want to let the extremes of their party dictate policies and refuse to make reasonable compromises, then perhaps it’s time to form a viable third party.

[@hockeyhalod]

Thank goodness

[@anustart1934]

Please bring back the old theme music

[@lisab.6714]

первонах Thank you for the episode! Love your show.

[@hwizell7478]

Stayed for Mother Jones quote 👏🫡

[@JRay2113]

Very good podcast

[@drewastolfi6840]

So interesting.

[@karltitz1725]

Get over your smug self. No one knows what the future holds. The thing Americans have are the enduring principles of the American Constitution. Are you an American?

[@existentialvoid]

That intro is fantastic! As for the election - I’m a liberal who is quite disenchanted with the Democratic Party and I really hope they can get back to basics and actually dare to challenge. Get away from progressive policies and back to the aspirations of the middle classes. You already lost the working class - so it has to be the middle class.

[@cloakedsecrecy1925]

@existentialvoid I'd like to think the intro represents the despondency of Ezra Klein listeners in the new Trump era and is putting a brave face on for the audience. Almost like the track is quietly reassuring you, "There there, it'll be alright, there's still hope" because the previous intro for the show was kinda depressing and not really a good fit for this moment.

[@EdwardDollar-r2u]

This guy says he can't speak to Trump's mindset on whether or not he sells out for people who give him money 🤣. Lost all credibility in one sentence.

[@hannahconroy]

I think it would also be good for the Democrats to move more towards the middle on abortion. Most Americans believe in the right to abortion, but they also believe in restrictions on abortion (particularly later on in fetal development). At the very least, there should be space made in the Democratic coalition for pro-life progressives

[@mobilityproject3485]

This. You can't run your campaign on being the life raft from authoritarianism and have such a divisive position.

[@Jay-z2x]

Irrelevant out of step and pretentious as usual

[@othejestr779]

It dropped 15 minutes ago and the video is an hour long, are you okay?

[@SCA440]

It's from the NYT, what else were you expecting???

[@jeremysmith9694]

Welcome to the Ezra Klein Show

[@xarbinchaoticneutral1785]

@@othejestr779 another Donald 'i love the poorly educated' Trump voter troll.

[@hundredfireify]

Who? You? Absolutely correct!

[@crghyz]

Your interviews are usually informative but this one has no meaning or relevance.

[@hannahconroy]

Additionally, many people in the disability community have been abandoned, dismissed, and ridiculed by both Democrats and Republicans. Understandably, there was a significant portion of disabled Americans who were not enthusiastic about either Trump or Harris.

[@nickyb3800]

I'll never forget Eric Fartwell's ad. Just pure disgusting.

[@aurorechabot5318]

Not a “boss!?” Is anyone investigating ballots that only show votes for Trump, but none for down ballot votes? Too many strange things in this election!

[@duanesmith5074]

Yes I thought that was pretty weird too. I guess I don't understand the young people I'm 68 my granddaughter she just turned 20 voted for her first presidential race had no clue who anybody else was except for vice president Harris. So that's the only one she voted for was vice president Harris do you also believe that that vote should not count for vice president Harris or just

[@the__source]

Nobody likes you anymore, Ezra 😂😂😂😂😂

[@peterlu5215]

so biased

[@SRINATHKADIAM-o6f]

Interesting

[@cwidd1929]

Please, please fire Ezra Klein and give his job to Astead Herndon

[@birdstrikes]

Ina post truth world the liars win. get over it.

[@042sean]

Lobbyist interview.. so much BS.

[@trtoer]

12:14💯

[@peterlu5215]

idiot

[@OwenSindler]

N😢 discussion about Trump's felonies, etc and how the voters overlooked them.

[@WasFakestCenturyAesthetics]

Oh, the falsifying business records thing? And they were felonies because it was supposedly covering up another crime, which was never specified, let alone charged?

[@Jim070]

Because it backfired on the Dems. It looked petty, vindictive, and people saw through the facade.

[@lindabedwell807]

Why mention that AGAIN? Many know he was targeted because n order to prevent him from running again. It didn’t work.

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

What Dems could not get through their heads was the more they bad mouthed Trump the more people defended the underdog. It's human nature to defend someone being attacked.

[@CubanLibertarian]

Lawfare. Next.

[@ephesians_2_8]

Gaza.

[@Substantialstem800]

Look I know Obama was the ideal candidate that everyone was hoping which did not work that we wanted but can the democratic party just let it go and move on to a new legacy!?