Jonathan Sumption: Why governments were wrong to fight Covid-19 with lockdowns | Q+A 2023

[@amirrora885]

FINALLY. Some actual unbiased journalism and an honest conversation. Time for the media to front up to the disgusting ways they treated and manipulated Kiwis.

[@relaxation-Corner]

I agree!! 🎉 hopefully the start of a new trend. I think winston peters had an influence on this. They saw his support and realized alot of kiwis felt the same way about the media

[@m4inline]

Lord Sumption is as about as legit and straight up as it gets. 20 years ago New Zealand was very kind to me. I will never forget that. I can only hope my recommendation of Lord Sumption will serve as a kind of vicarious part repayment. All the best.

[@churtonpark]

and still are.....get rid of the PIJF

[@davenz000]

No this isn't. Give up on them.

[@jedfenwick4754]

Unbiased? Lol.

[@thevalleygate625]

credit is due where credit is due. this was actually the first interview i could watch from you guys in years. Finally an interview i could stomach to watch by your network because your interviewer actually shut his mouth let the guest answer questions, didn’t interupt him, and didn’t appear to be going for the old gotcha tactics that make the majority of your “journalism” so unwatchable. So well done, and if you can manage to take my negative comments as constructive criticism i hope for more interviews like this one in the future.

[@kiwitoffee]

Quite right.

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

I might stomach watching this only because of your comment👍

[@hariseldon3786]

Dang... you echo my thoughts.

[@arranpattison5809]

True, but unfortunately the damage is done... Lessons to be taken away perhaps, but until the next 'problem' arises the majority will again 'go along to get along' I suspect...

[@chebra36]

Well said

[@3-Angels-Message]

We are the "single source of truth" was the most fascist statement ever made by a NZ Prime Minister.

[@deborahsmith8871]

Well she is a Marxist.

[@jasebates7589]

That it was! The woman should be prosecuted and summarily jailed

[@victorshackapopulus6078]

She should go on trial. Criminal incompetence and malfeasance in office.

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

Don't forget her encouraging to phone your vaccine hesitant friends as an act of kindness, we had 3 phone us within days of her saying this on the tell-a-vision, disgusting. I am an adult and don't need no governing body tell me what to do, its not 1938!!!

[@deborahsmith8871]

She knowingly and purposely mislead the citizens of this country. Yes should be prosecuted.

[@mountainman9145]

I am not from New Zealand however the most worrying aspect of the whole pandemic debacle was that all of the western world acted in concert (except Sweden) - the governments, the msm, the health officials, the police and the educators - a sad indictment on western society as a whole. With all the accumulated knowledge over 100s of years and the best of minds in the relevant positions, we still managed to apply the wrong models - incredible!!

[@sonjasmith3414]

They are still doing it with climate change, so, business as usual.

[@stephangauthier911]

This all proves that it was deliberate and NOT incompetence.

[@medshit]

Yep, and the reason most western countries did the same thing,is because most of them were trained at the WEF under clauss swab( u can see this for yourself in their website) a commi/ socialist training ground, the same institution that has told us we will own nothing and be happy in the future,and we are just starting to see the beginning of that- eg 30,000 kiwis now on the edge of losing their homes cause they can't meet the mortgage.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

It was all done by design, don't be fooled

[@ChristineLawtie]

Amish ignored advice from the US Govt. Not a single death 👍

[@T959-jw8zd]

Q+a Only doing this interview now Labour are out of government. Where was your journalism when the government breached the bill of rights?

[@evansallis9519]

100% correct.

[@riverrose3089]

@@costomame3895 No this is called getting out ahead. Its an attempt to get credibility for whats coming. Nz has the highest excess death rate in the world at the moment. Most of the population is a ticking time bomb and they are about to find out.

[@relaxation-Corner]

​@@costomame3895 there were lots of people willing to do it but the media villianized then and shunned them away

[@lucyhelenmcquilkan449]

As a kiwi living overseas, I was always proud of being a NZer until covid. It was horrifying to watch what the government did to the country during that time. It was so surprising that we didn’t take a Sweden-like approach. The liberals have become the authoritarians. I appreciate this interview very much.

[@1234carolynb]

Jacinda Ardern had belonged the the World Ecomonic Forum's young leaders, along with Justine Tradeau from Canada and many others who took a hard-line.

[@StimParavane]

It surprised me too. NZ could have been the model for the rest of the world.

[@fiona4731]

Kiwis were locked out of their own country and the majority thought that was ok at the time. We ended up not seeing our son from the time he was 20 years old until he was nearly 24 as he had gone to study overseas in 2019. I’m ashamed of how Kiwis treated each other during Cvd including the exclusion of the unvaxed.

[@jmwoods190]

​@@1234carolynb Yes, but Jacinta & Justin had put on a charming act at first, and even though theyhid their true colors in plain sight the crowds still fell for their fantastical façade. Many tyrants have done the same thing, and many abnsers too!

[@edenbreckhouse]

It was horrifing to watch how the Kiwis obeyed the diktats of the state. Dear NZ, you tolerated this.

[@onlyme4683]

Hate speech laws are an absolute mockery after the hatred Australian and NZ governments spoke of their own citizens during the pandemic. My view is they should be tried against their own laws.

[@katiesmethurst3766]

Agree, an Aussie here.

[@timmalone9907]

Jack Tames demeanor during this interview seemed to indicate that he had never heard any criticism of the NZ government covid response before. Either that, or he had been instructed by his handlers to allow a perspective other than his own to be articulated. Clearly, Jack Tame still has no idea at all what the Wellington protests were about, as he described them as being about covid "restrictions", when they were always 100% about forced vaccination mandates on people who knew the jabs were harmful.

[@greggiles7309]

The Gangs made huge P profit from the Wellington protests, they say thanks.

[@WeraroaWizard]

let’s be honest, yes they were about the mandates, but they were also about every other government related conspiracy under the sun. this did not help the protesters cause, and showed just how fractured they are. i feel sorry for them, but i also disagree with a lot of what they were protesting and how they went about it

[@austingtir]

@@WeraroaWizard Just another dumb sheep that doesnt get it then.

[@timmalone9907]

Greg Giles, what a hugely hilarious comment. Anonymous Wizard, clearly you've simply believed what you've read or been told by people just like Jack Tame. People who weren't there and who had a set of policies to force onto the population at any cost. Jack's wages were paid by your taxes during that time by way of the $55M Public Interest Journalism Fund. TVNZ signed on the dotted line and in order to receive the money, they agreed to lie to people like you. There's no need to feel sorry for the protesters,they are very secure in the knowledge that they are right. They certainly feel sorry for you. I hope that's okay.

[@abatesnz]

Amesh Adalja also criticised NZ's response and Ardern's office contacted John Hopkins University to try to get him fired.

[@ravenkama6922]

I watched a video from an epidemiologist in april 2020 who said the exact same thing as this... Protect the elderly and vulnerable and let the rest carry on...

[@moonsharn]

That’s where the trouble was though. The elderly and vulnerable are both cared for by the healthy and take care of the kids throughout society. They’re not in a bubble, their lives are interconnected with all of society. The question was and still is… how do you isolate just one segment of an integrated society?

[@ravenkama6922]

@moonsharn his suggestion was to let it run through the general population, leave schools open etc. in order to achieve herd immunity. Obviously I'm no expert, so I don't know the answer to that, but as we've seen, the Pandemic was far less deadly than we thought it would be. Example.. unvaccinated were told the virus would hunt us down and we would be overwhelming the hospitals... reality.. my whole family, including my mother who was diagnosed with lung cancer during covid were unvacvinated and not one of us became any worse I'll than a normal flu. In fact, I dont know a single person who died or even went to hospital with covid yet I know 3 people who were vaccine injured. The fear mongering was far worse than the reality of it.

[@michaelschmidt6817]

fair but if you look at other countries that got hit before the vaccine eg italy, new york heaps and heaps of people died. although no one will google the deaths by covid of other countries right haha@@ravenkama6922

[@louisejoel]

@@moonsharn I think the real issue is that people aren't able to afford independent living because of incredibly high housing costs. It's not like someone in a rest home has somewhere to isolate themselves unless the family or friend is able to help. People visiting or working in the rest homes brought it in.

[@moonsharn]

@@louisejoel that’s true, but that’s a tiny portion of the issue. Our community is interconnected, my parents and in-laws help raise our kids… all of them are high risk. We’re both essential workers and exposed to others. I care for my disabled sister who is high risk. Also my grandmother had gone into care during the pandemic… she was high risk. We can’t work without our parents, none of us can live without us working, and kids can’t be babysat or taken from a-b if the vulnerable family members can’t do it. This is across the world. Families of all ages, all levels of health live interdependent lives. It’s easy to say only lock down the vulnerable, but the workers of society are essentially interconnected and can not be separated from them. They can either all lock down and not work, or they all catch the virus.

[@honeyholly001]

If only all interviews were conducted this gracefully with a interviewer asking questions and allowing their guest to finish their answer before asking the next one.

[@NotSoAlarmed]

This interviewer doesn't normally, preferring to grind axes with those he perceives as in the wrong political tribe. He was on best behaviour with Lord Sumption. Others from the NZ right and those standing up to Govt fear mongering and authoritarianism get different treatment - attacked, talked over, leading/loaded questions...

[@georgelaxton]

@@NotSoAlarmedonly when the guests don’t answer simple questions.

[@warrenblake5554]

In stark contrast to J Tame,s harassment of Winston Peters , when he would not allow him to answer questions . Objectivity was no where to be seen , consequently the public rejected the vitriol . Winston is reinstated and J Tame,s handlers have been ejected .

[@honeyholly001]

​@@warrenblake5554true. He talked all over Winston. It was horrible to watch.

[@dontcomply3976]

​@@honeyholly001And now that Winston might be in power and in a position to cut propaganda funding, Jack is toning it down.

[@diablojames]

We must never forget or forgive Jacinda's despotic reign aided and abetted by Hipkins and Bloomfield 💪

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

Don't worry no one will, these inhumane leaders must be stripped of their status and charged with crimes against NZers, they knew exactly what they were doing when they signed the Pfizer agreement.

[@danielalexander3406]

were you not feeling the empathy?

[@cspace1234nz]

clearly not part of the team of 5 million

[@ChristineLawtie]

Despicable woman 🤬

[@fraserwilliamson9507]

Whining jerk off. "Oh my freedom and my rights".

[@mattgravy5153]

All they needed to do was tell people to stay home if they had symptoms. Instead they enforced divisive coercive policies against evidence and opinion was available at the time, and told anyone who disagreed that they were stupid. They treated us like children - the condescending arrogance showed. Bye-bye Jacinda, bye-bye Labour.

[@vanessamay3689]

True

[@Sam-m6o3j]

Political parties are a masquerade. We are still ruled by the same evil.

[@ManaBrown-vw4sp]

Absolutely and now they're shoving it in our face again by giving her a voice in media when her time has already gone she is no longer relevant anymore so let's move on and leave her and her views at the door,take your broom jacinda and fly away ya witch 🧙‍♀️

[@russellburton2135]

Moral of the story. Politicians can make reckless decisions with impunity.

[@crushtheserpent]

Unless the NZ govt refuses the legally binding WHO Pandemic Treaty set for May 2024, any decision re. future pandemic response will be out of their hands.

[@jameslast7555]

Yeah, frightening

[@mariag3605]

And noone in Govt or MSM are saying a, word...

[@conniewinslow755]

At last, Jack, you actually listened. I didn’t think your interview with Winston was conducted in the same way. Journalists should not interject their opinions, but truly interview so the listener has the information to discern in his own mind. Not be told what to believe by the interviewer.

[@vanessamay3689]

Well said 👏👏

[@fe6767]

The difference is that Jonathan Sumption mostly answered the questions. Whereas Winston and many other politicians try to avoid questions they don't want to answer and change the subject to something different.

[@labrne5659]

Then you clearly have not seen the history of Jack and Winston. That last interview with Winston is nothing different of past interviews. If Winston answered the questions not make his interview a laugh - Jack would not have to come out looking like he does. Winston and Jonathan clearly have different ways of interacting

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

totally agree for the first time Tame was not a buttinsky, also what a very good interviewee very balanced in his thoughts

[@garycody1929]

Jack is slowly realizing the woke stance has collapsed.

[@kaner11]

Take note Jack….you’re who he’s warning about…

[@julianowen7377]

😂 bang on! ….of course he wouldn’t see it that way.

[@jasebates7589]

Jack was outclassed here

[@kiwikiwi8023]

Yeah 😂Boi read the comment jack

[@howdydo5760]

only an idiot thinks this interview is adversarial@@jasebates7589

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

outclassed by a class act@@jasebates7589

[@SilverMagpie]

What a great guest....one of the few interviews where common sense, reason and logic has been ALLOWED to shine. 👍

[@ableasdale2000]

Yes, it would have been helpful in 2020. Never forget.

[@feesullivan3439]

We need a full and open inquiry of the govt covid response- one that allows the Input of the “team of 5 million”

[@greggiles7309]

Yes, i agree with you, not enough people died, especially in our rest homes. The next Government should be doing more to eliminate Super Pension payments and tax payer debt.

[@riverrose3089]

@@greggiles7309 I smell retard , do society a favor and get another booster

[@judithvickery1584]

Doesn't Winston want an inquiry? Wonder if a speech would be on our Paliament like Andrew Bridgdon in the UK paliament?

[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks for hosting Lord Sumption. Good interview by Jack Tame. Sumption emphasises the importance of freedom and individual rights on issues like covid-19 and hate speech.

[@namasi7070]

Not only the effects of Social Media but also Main Stream Media in pushing the fear factor. NZ MSM were the cheer leaders throughout the period being discussed.

[@katiesmethurst3766]

Same in Australia.

[@grantsenior9226]

If msm did their job properly, there would not have been a pandemic. Msm allowed it to happen.

[@feesullivan3439]

MSM needs to face up to how awful they were.

[@mytubehkjt]

How awful they ARE.

[@austingtir]

They'll just continue to pretend like they were the "only source of truth" as soon as these elites flick the switch again all these propagandists (because they aint journalists) like tAmE will jump in line again.

[@ricardobrown4878]

theyre scuttling around now sucking up to the new govt.....@@mytubehkjt ....I hope the new govt cancels Jacindas Media Propaganda Fund.

[@vanessamay3689]

They still are AWFUL

[@hittitecharioteer]

Just look who funds them? ALWAYS the same (bad) actors.

[@phwbooth]

As a signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration, I couldn't agree more, Lord Sumption.

[@optimumperformance]

We need to discuss the WHO Pandemic Treaty that becomes binding May 2024

[@pinkybar7328]

that was done illegally by mahuta,needs to be fixed,cause parliament wasnt in operation

[@deborahsmith8871]

Yes we do. We all need to contact whoever your mp is. Don't take no for an answer.

[@optimumperformance]

@@deborahsmith8871 I’ve tried for past year. None would answer the question.

[@tomashize]

I sometimes fantasies about world leaders being this calm, accomplished, articulate and wise. It would be such a comfort to have a PM like this fellow here

[@evansallis9519]

Fascinating to see the MSM now, almost miraculously, taking a balanced view on Arden's legacy!

[@blazerk.7189]

yes Capt hindsights are everywhere these days.

[@Playboysmurf1]

New Government. It's quite disgusting how much authority Labour had over the media. It's quite telling, isn't it. We clearly don't have independent media in this country.

[@jasebates7589]

Agree

[@relaxation-Corner]

I think this is winston peters Influence tbh. The media saw he actually has alot of support

[@ImFieldy]

I dont agee. I still felt JT wanted to defend Arderns policies but recognised this bloke would flick him like a bug.

[@John.Leitch]

i enjoyed this interview. Jonathan Sumption communicated in such a straightforward manner that made you want to listen.

[@ahartify]

Yes, but he got the pandemic horribly wrong.

[@southpacific222]

@@ahartify No, our liberal authoritarian govt got the pandemic horribly wrong!

[@benwilliams7276]

Who would've guessed that Ardern didn't sit on the podium of truth Afterall...

[@nylyessuh3056]

This interview has somewhat restored my faith in the future of humanity, it is reassuring to know there are still great men out there with a balanced, sane and unbiased view on issues

[@greggiles7309]

I bet you deny the Nazies and the Final solution ever happened.

[@leisacalton1644]

Yes, a great Man indeed. The uks government needs more MP's like this, very few putting their head above the parapet and if they do they are shunned.

[@googoo554]

Lockdowns and restrictions should never have been used. I applaude Lord Sumption for being there for the people from day 1. Well done for letting this great man speak.

[@louiethered479]

Dr Bloomfield would disagree with Johathan Sumpton, who is not a doctor nor a health expert. Covid19 is a new virus, and there is no vaccine for it. Medical doctors and experts advised the government to implement the lockdown, which was to try and save as many lives as possible whilst a vaccine was being developed, and it worked. A recent report showed that over 20,000 NZer's lives were saved. Thousands of kiwis are alive today that otherwise wouldn't be if the government had not followed the medical and health expert advice and implemented measures like a lockdown. Compare the huge number of Covid19 deaths in the UK to New Zealand's low numbers. New Zealand had one of the best Covid19 responses in the world. Just days ago former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson tried to apologize for the thousands of lives lost to Covid-19 while he was in power. Remember how he told everyone to "take it on the chin"? An insensitive, irresponsible, uncaring flippant response that caused so many people to die unnecessarily. Once dead there is no coming back for a second chance, but he didn't care about people's lives at all, they were expendable to an ignorant and short-sighted ideology that Jonathan Sumpton also believes in

[@Jbrookybutcher]

Refreshing to hear a common sense perspective reflecting on what the people of NZ experienced for far too long. So interesting that there’s a govt covid warning box re this clip at the top! Going on a bit too long for that now considering the actual outcomes, isn’t it?

[@ememdl83]

Bit too long? NZ’ers are still subjected to the Podium of Truth, ridiculous

[@jeringatai3156]

stfu NZers got paid to stay home 😑 you're sick for 3 days but get 7 days off and don't have to use sick leave. All you whiny bitches just like crying.

[@MrNztim]

And we taxpayers are still/still paying for this Labour Govt Covid propaganda! GRR!!

[@pinkybar7328]

@@MrNztim and they still bleat on with covi adds on radio ,needs to halt

[@austingtir]

Yeah but all they have to do is flick the switch again and Tame and co will go back to pushing the current thing or narrative or whatever the powers that be say the current Israel/Ukraine issues are a prime example they are pushing the oligharchs/joos that control the wests point of view with no other consideration given hence why we are so close to WW3 right now. This guy isnt a journalist and none of the current crop of journalists are even remotely "journalists" they are propagandists.

[@pizzaperson1]

Great interview, thank you for this voice of reason, we haven’t seen anything like this in mainstream media for 4 years.

[@austingtir]

Yeah but all they have to do is flick the switch again and Tame and co will go back to pushing the current thing or narrative or whatever the powers that be say. This guy isnt a journalist and none of the current crop of journalists are even remotely "journalists" they are propagandists.

[@relaxation-Corner]

I think this is winston peters influence and the fact he has a lot of support

[@ricardobrown4878]

Fearful the Propaganda fund will be cancelled....

[@joshb6993]

​@ricardobrown4878 you could be right. God I hope so

[@ruihmartins]

This is an adult talking. The media might want to learn a thing or two. But can we trust the media to be ethical and measured? The media cannot help themselves but create chaos and feed on hysteria. There was nothing I could disagree with.

[@cameronfleming488]

This was an interview conducted by "the media"

[@ruihmartins]

correct - but it has not always been like this - especially with Jack. let us hope that Lifelong learning is alive.@@cameronfleming488

[@austingtir]

@@cameronfleming488 This was an interview that was conducted by a propagandist. For whatever reason they have toned the party line back and are beginning to point in the opposite direction they were during covid. But you have to remember all its going to take is one switch from the powerful oligharchs/juice elites that control everything and tAmE/the rest of the MSM co will go back to pushing whatever globalist/neocon party line is the next thing (atm its israel/ukraine notice how they dropped covid like a nuclear hot potato as soon as ukraine kicked off and then semi dropped ukraine when gaza kicked off!?)

[@WeraroaWizard]

check m8

[@mattgravy5153]

Scientific opinion about lockdowns at the time was that it was an unrecommendable option because of unknown consequences. The Govt ignored that.

[@adriandocherty778]

What does unrecommendable option due to unknown consequences even mean?? I think was a play of words. Could neither confirm or deny? Indefinitely? 😂🤣 Didn’t stop anyone going into Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine??🤷🏽

[@mattgravy5153]

@@adriandocherty778 It means that we were told to 'trust the science' when the science said it could not recommend lockdowns. Our govt was making these decisions based on something other than evidence, even against evidence, while lives and livelihoods were at stake. I'm not sure how dumb wars in the Middle East make that ok.

[@greencloud2225]

That’s the most respectful I’ve ever heard Tame be. He was outclassed by Sumption. No gotcha questions there

[@bruiserthebarbarian225]

Jackass tame is a media schill left wing ho

[@jasebates7589]

Absolutely

[@louisejoel]

Tame is clearly trying to keep his job after it was threatened by Winston. I'll give this to Tame, he really knows how to press people's button like a bad cop

[@francesbrown850]

THAT was amazing. So good to hear some common sense and truth.

[@Roids211]

Wow, what a refreshing interview, no outbursts or constant interruptions from the interviewer. This is what I'd like to see from more mainstream media. Well done 👍🏻👍🏻

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

How can you watch msm after the propaganda of the last 3 years, they are paid by the government to carry put there psyop against your own people. Since when do people trust politicians and now there is no real journalism, complete distrust if these puppets who caused the takedown of NZ, its only the beginning of the pain coming our way.

[@ImFieldy]

Comments turned on? unreal. Sure hope Jack reads ALL OF THEM

[@vanessamay3689]

He won’t. Can he read?

[@ManaBrown-vw4sp]

Yeah I was shocked😲 they actually want to hear other people's opinion

[@dubmissions]

Fear is the great tool used by GOVT’s to herd us. It’s historic.

[@touch3010]

Yep. I reckon their modelling was BS when they said hundreds of thousands of us would die.

[@winskypinsky]

I remember Jonathon Sumption early in the game of Covid standing up and warning the British Government that they have over-stepped. He was a beacon in those ugly, dark times.

[@buildingblissnz7543]

What a wonderful intelligent conversation. I'm glad to see the realities being discussed finally.

[@samanthacuckow51]

Sadly, I still remember that dreadful and divisive Ardern and Labour party cronies wailing on any Kiwi who had the temerity to question their draconian actions. 'I will be your one source of truth' garbage. Forcing people into taking vaccine or lose their employment. And referring to protesting Kiwis as ignorant, non conformists. I am grateful she ran away from office but the harm she caused will affect us for decades.

[@francisheperi4180]

That sinister statement she made should not be forgotten... ever. The people who lost their jobs over her evil mandates is unforgiveable!

[@lucial9887]

Suddenly allowed to talk about it? 3years later?

[@louisejoel]

It might be a between govt thing

[@tehenga38nz]

Exactly, part of the back pedalling and maybe a slow leak admission of guilt strategy. Too much information out there that shows harms of all measures taken. Note the excess deaths worldwide.

[@birgitjevremovic9783]

I remember how all of our politicians called the people against the mandate "Rivers of Filth". Well, that will never be forgotten.

[@JohanThiart]

I loved lock down but found the entire process appalling, including the fallout. Government response favoured my demographic. The government abdicated their responsibility and treated the pandemic in a way to protect themselves from criticism.

[@johnkirk3947]

@@JohanThiart You "loved lockdown"! BAA BAA BAA!

[@JohanThiart]

@@johnkirk3947 I did love the lockdown. I could relax. No responsibilities. Stand in a cue buy what I need…… Hell, life was simple….. for me. I found that a family of two could live off less than $400 per month in terms of shopping for food and other stuff that one needs to live. Taxes, fees and charges etc excluded. But this was a hell of a life for others, I understood that also as I could see how miserable people became. Humans need more than the ability to breathe, eat and drink. And those in charge of our lives collectively failed us collectively. Time that we face up to that fact.

[@glennjackson9287]

​@@JohanThiarto

[@Lazydaisy646]

​@@costomame3895if you had visited the protest you would have seen a very clean and orderly camp with nothing but kindness and consideration for one another. People have a right to protest especially when it relates to medical procedures that are being mandated. maybe you. Could have listened to what people had to say , they had very valid reasons and the side effects of the vaccine are very real , as well as the psychological effect on many ..

[@feesullivan3439]

Single source of truth ….. fear induced compliance

[@MrMistyJazz]

I wish I could show this video to my work bosses who gave me hell for those 2 years. I openly expressed my displeasure at lockdowns and restrictions. I was told all sorts of things but what got me was hearing my General Manager say “he obviously doesn’t care about his families health”. Well, 2 compulsory shots and a booster shot later through work pressure where’s the danger now?

[@popethescope]

You're incredibly arrogant

[@BrettCooper4702]

Have you had covid? if so how many people did you infect?

[@winstonsmithsoul]

@@BrettCooper4702 I’m unjabbed because among many things, it’s an untested new technology, also is a GMO which is illegal in NZ. Now the rates of injury and connected cancers are showing in our statistics like everywhere else. I’m glad I declined and haven’t caught covid once and sleep very well surrounded in my blanket of.... I told you so.

[@nigelmcculloch3746]

It's incredible how many people have been misled by people who should know better, if the government didn't do anything lots more people would of died, covid was compared to the Spanish flu of 1918, there was no cure for covid! As it was millions across the world did die!

[@Gumpmachine1]

Turns out the lock downs were worse for our health than COVID so perhaps you could argue that you cared about your families health more than they did

[@captainsausages1205]

Fantastic interview, of the sort you no longer see on TV in either NZ or the UK.

[@ricardobrown4878]

Jack Tame wouldnt have conducted this interview prior to the election.....

[@elizagoodytwoshoes9140]

Most of the world where media are owned by the same corporation. In Belgium they were told, do it for the team if 14 million, same narrative, same plandemic.

[@ellenh6796]

What puzzled me from the start was that barely a word was uttered officially about simple, common-sense measures to boost immunity: Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Zinc, gargling with salt, and so on. Early intervention with inexpensive existing drugs was actually banned! It was pretty obvious that something was going on that had nothing to do with protecting public health.

[@katiesmethurst3766]

Those sorts of measures wouldn't make big PHARMa mega profits, pay kickbacks to politicians, doctors etc......

[@glenccross3901]

He made a great comment at the end of this interview regarding social media, "we need to be a bit more skeptical about the appearance of unanimous abuse that it tends to generate" I think people are already skeptical and many have sympathy for the victims or share their views and see the cancelling for what it is, woke control.

[@TheMorningtrain]

I loved listening to lord sumption during the lockdown years when Australia’s borders were closed, just knowing there was one sane person out there speaking out gave me hope. I fully supported his advise to the public to simply practice quiet civil disobedience

[@SingaporeSling1]

Very respectful discussion. If we restrict free speech we also restrict the publics ability to identify dickheads.

[@chrisallum9044]

"In retrospect we can see that some of those consequences were grave" As if it weren't wildly obvious with many of us screaming it from the hilltops....and getting banned for doing so on social media etc etc

[@user-bh1cb6ru9t]

Would have been nice if you aired these dissenting views two years ago.

[@andreatodd3095]

They were paid to issue propaganda statements and they did it without question

[@dontcomply3976]

Back then it was 'hate speech', now screaming 'Gas the Jews' is acceptable speech, we are told.

[@ricardobrown4878]

Jacks previous masters wouldnt have allowed it....

[@andrewkirkham3452]

Wise words indeed! The only measures needed were “if you’re ill, stay home” - everything else was immoral, unnecessary and grossly damaging.

[@fiona4731]

I’m just a dumb sheep farmer from the Naki, but I knew every bit of data and info that the interviewee refers to. We knew the infection fatality rates, for example from Israel. We also knew cOVID-19 was not a problem for young people, but the risk of myocarditis through vaccination was. But our government and our media focused on infection rates and fear. Stop saying you didn’t know - I’m frankly getting sick of hearing it.

[@johnqpublic331]

Tame's question about "hate speech" clearly was premised on a view he most likely holds, that it even exists as some sort of specific, definable category of what most thinking people simply call "speech". This is my observation, it's not at all an unexpected revelation about Tame.

[@humanityandme]

This is an excellent interview. The guest is really taking us through his thought process and the person interviewing is asking thoughtful questions following on from the thought process.

[@mattclarke3621]

Lord Sumption epitomises considerate discussion in my opinion, and is a gem. I think Jack realised this, and conducted his time with him well. Very interesting.. I like how he talks about Govt's attempting to foster unity rather than fear, in an effort to achieve the right direction.

[@itsjustweard2328]

It is nice to see a balanced interview. For a change Jack. I was ones a very charitable person helping out in the community when i could .Plus sponsoring charity with money when needed. I am a very responsible porson. And my children have had all the regular vaccinations as they were growing up from when they wore babys as needed. For personal reasons I did choose not to have the covid vaccine. Unfortunately for me this was not to be my choice. I was forced to have the vaccine. Even though I was doing everything responsibly within my power to protect my self and the people around me. To cut a long story short this has changed my life forever. I no longer have any trust or respect for government. And when it was my turn to receive some support from society I was stigmatised and ridiculed. I was spat at. And labelled an antivaxxer not only by society but especially by the media And by you to Jack. I have lost all my trust and respect for society I no longer go to charities.or go to social community functions.i just look out for me now. Which I think is sad. This has had a profound effect on my thinking and how I view society. It has changed me and not for the better. I liked the person I was. Not the person that I am today. What happened to people in covid on both sides was quite frankly disgraceful. When all reason went out the door on both sides.The way people turn on there own i will never forget.

[@fb3824]

please find a way to love yourself again

[@MrTumblingmoth]

Winston Peters knew something was wrong with the woke approach in the second lock down. Jack.Tame should reflect that Peters view contrasted with his yet attempted to destroy Peters no matter what. Shame on Tame.

[@madsword19]

The one in September 2020? What was 'woke' about it?

[@louisejoel]

Not really, it was entertaining

[@freeforester1717]

Sunetra Gupta foresaw all the impacts, and warned society about them. Too intelligent for governments and politicians to heed.

[@squashum778]

We need more ‘ common sense’ clear thinking people like this in our society

[@mikeryan4552]

This dude doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about lmao

[@vanessamay3689]

Won’t happen unless we turn off the MEDIA

[@canecorso8251]

There are plenty, we just need a non biased and corporate owned media to give their views airplay.

[@HenryParkes-kp1yc]

There's lots of us but the main problem is that most people fear being targeted by their peers and on social media for expressing their opinions.

[@winkelknz]

They are there! But are canceled everywhere.

[@richardsimpson1836]

Such common sense - so different to the views of many in NZ during covid.

[@AlyCook]

Brilliant the best piece of honest television in 3 years

[@89jmills]

What a privilege to hear a figure whose words carry such weight, speak truth to power in this way.

[@k1m625]

How come it requires some one from overseas to have this conversation.....it just goes to show how shit our politician , public service and media are.....its 3 years to late

[@paperclip612]

MSM all around the world have a lot to answer for.

[@francisheperi4180]

The UK govt ignored his advice.

[@njd2342]

As Ronald Reagan said the nine words you should fear most are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help.".

[@suziederkins3310]

Absolutely amazing that they interviewed this guy! The NZ MSM are so far "we had the best Covid response in the world!"

[@lawsonspedding6136]

A brilliant interview ! The interviewer allowed speech to be free and uninterrupted !

[@MargaritaNZ2024]

Finally. Someone who's making sense of what happened to New Zealand.. Even if it's 3 years later.

[@adridrim9805]

Everyone forgets that the Diamond Princess told us what we needed to know about how (not very) lethal the illness was, and who was most at risk . So few people developed symptoms , they could / had to come up with the Asymptomatic Carrier twaddle.

[@katiesmethurst3766]

Yep!

[@adsdft585]

He talked about fear is great enemy of democracy. At our current election compaign we saw good examples from all political forces to different degrees.

[@plc2866]

But nothing like Covid. Covid fear still exists from people who have nothing to fear!

[@nesanesa9547]

Thank you gentlemen for a calm quiet not fearful Important analysis of woes imposed upon us all with ongoing recopusions for many...

[@barryscott6222]

It was known within a couple of months what the impacts and risks were. If people "didn't" know... then it was because they chose not to know. Don't dare claim that "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time". Many people and countries did differently - Sweden in particular. But far far too many people were far too busy denigrating the Swedish approach to bother looking at what was actually happening. OR - actually "following the science". The criminal degree to which the science was blatantly ignored, in order to push a narrative, by all rights should have ended up with people in prison.

[@GrimHrafnsson]

Agree 100%

[@Mich2024]

Agree. We were scammed with the BS. Great shame on the govt and lackeys. Awful awful people.

[@paperclip612]

And let's make sure that the WHO are not given control of the NZ health service.

[@trishc9200]

It has been known for decades what the impacts would be if a respiratory disease outbreak/pandemic was treated the way this one was. That formed the basis of our (and other countries' and the WHO's pandemic plans) and the associated ethical guidelines and established legislation. This just doesn't get raised in. It is frustrating.

[@ianmcd66]

@@trishc9200 Exactly. All the western countries decided to ignore their carefully prepared pandemic plans, in favour of Chinese style lockdowns. I wonder why?

[@cwmdesignz]

I hope Jake listened carefully and learnt something about from Lord Jonathan Sumption

[@RJH755]

Learnt something from the guy who admits he doesn't know much about our lockdowns and keeps comparing Sweden to the rest of Eurpone when we aren't part of...

[@kiakaha6854]

so you could sum it up by saying that our “wellbeing budget” was used to destroy our wellbeing… thanks cindy 👍

[@sleepspot4979]

How can they heal the wound???!!!!!! Remove the bloody mandates that companies are all still enforcing!!!! My husband would love his job back

[@ShaDoWworldshadow]

Jack is brought and paid for

[@ricardobrown4878]

Hopefully the Media Propaganda funding will stop now....

[@canecorso8251]

Maybe next MSM can have an open discussion about our 18% increase in mortality since the roll out of that thing.

[@warrenklein7817]

Australia has 50k unexplained excess deaths since May 2021 to June 2023. No excess deaths from 2020 to May 2021. Vaccines started here in March 2021. Media never cover. The numbers are from official source, ABS.GOV.AU. For comparison, we had 34k servicemen deaths in WW2.

[@brownbro1000]

In my opinion, it is the result of that but also the lockdowns. The uk parliament concluded that 500,000 people would die as a result of lockdown, and it's interesting that excess mortality is consistent across all age groups and in many countries, i.e it's not just excess deaths in the elderly or poorer countries etc etc. Be interesting to see which countries are doing better and what draconian measures they did or didn't apply.

[@ianmcd66]

⁠@@brownbro1000 There’s a correlation between rates of vaccination and excess mortality between countries. Forget what the UK parliament put out, they’ve got their heads in the sand, same as the NZ parliament. All their predictive models turned out to be wildly inaccurate.

[@samsonmorrell]

what people fail to realise is the pandemic response was set out for New Zealand by those people heading the WEF. We got told to respond in the way we did. Look how easy it was for unelected members to any government tell governments of the world what to do.

[@Ela29653]

What a refreshing and sensible speech. Governments around the world, take notes.

[@m4inline]

Excellent interview! Respectful interviewer and fascinating interviewee. NZ rarely disappoints!

[@fd83836]

Lord Samption is one of the best speaker i have seen yet.. genuine and humble human being

[@greggiles7309]

i nominate you to take the next Pandemic gamble.

[@dannyissues5019]

@@greggiles7309brainwashed

[@ahartify]

it's just a pity he had no medical knowledge or understanding of public health.

[@RJH755]

Did you and I watch the same interview? He kept bringing up Sweden as his model example by comparing it to the rest of Europe to tell us how bad our lockdowns in a small island nation on the other side of the world were which he admits he doesn't know much about...

[@greggiles7309]

@@RJH755Sure, never mind the death toll right, sacrifices have to be made. Next pandemic, we need to supply more crematoriums, right.

[@MrAquamorph]

Well, why has New Zealand not ordered a Covid Enquiry, just as the UK has?

[@francisheperi4180]

New govt (Winston Peters) has already set in motion.

[@livelearnandteach7402]

People say we didn't know enough about covid in 2020 but there was enough to make better decisions.....the age groups affected was very clear for example.

[@kiwitoffee]

'Coercive conformity'. That's exactly what we experienced.

[@dubmissions]

You repair the damage by not repeating it ffs

[@communistgreyman2078]

Wow that guy was sensible, well spoken and articulate.

[@stephangauthier911]

This conversation is based on the premise that it was a "blunder". It wasnt an "overreaction". It was all designed that way. Every action was based off of it. Same people, same lies. All those "oopsies" and "it was incompetence" is bullocks since even I could figure the whole thing and what it would do to the economy, health and social systems. They lied. They've always lied and they'll always do. Grow a pair and call them out for what it is.

[@nosferatut9084]

" The vaccines were not brought in for Covid , Covid was brought in for the vaccines . Once you understand that everything else makes sense " , Dr Reiner Fuellmich, Canadian / German lawyer.

[@crantium]

One of the more balanced interviews I've seen carried out by mainstream media in the last few years, normally MSM pulls out the Conspiracy Theorist tag etc.

[@austingtir]

Yeah but all they have to do is flick the switch again and Tame and co will go back to pushing the current thing or narrative or whatever the powers that be say. This guy isnt a journalist and none of the current crop of journalists are even remotely "journalists" they are propagandists.

[@roderick167]

Labour lost the election.. their new pay master is the national party + act.. they better keep things civil and pretend they have common sense

[@ianaitken1136]

What an excellent interview. That includes Jack too. Just one small criticism though, It was unfair to compare the casualty rate of NZ to Sweden when NZ had largely evaded the Wuhan, Alpha and Delta waves because of our closed borders. Jack tried to imply that Swedens policy was inferior to ours because we had lockdowns, and they didn't. Our better casualty rate was solely because covid did not sweep through NZ until the much less pathogenic Omicron variety was the dominant strain.

[@heatherreeves8914]

And at that point, we had a high rate of vaccination against Covid.

[@louisejoel]

The lockdown did potentially slow down spread until the milder variant came along. Incidentally I never caught the milder variant after likely having it in 2020. Swept through the tourist resorts so the population wasn't entirely naive to it. Locals weren't able to get tested until April 2020. The concept back then that only tourists had it was completely unscientific because of their contact with locals such as myself indirectly.

[@Ripst4rt]

They were all pretty much the same in terms of IFR. In most countries they were initially just putting down as many deaths as they could as covid deaths before people started shouting. The countries with the highest rates reported were places like Italy with a lot of elderly, pollution and smokers. All of the strains were less than 1% IFR and those of us paying attention were well aware of it. It's laughable that someone commented that the high rate of vaccination helped. You'd have to be living under a rock to say something like that.

[@felicitysim41]

Sweden acknowledges its mistake of inadequate shielding of people in care homes. That was their one mistake.

[@heatherreeves8914]

@@Ripst4rt 😂😂😂 You are so funny.

[@propheticwitness8624]

Rare voice of truth and reason,top bloke,Jonathan Sumption.

[@michaelsmith2126]

Finally someone with an analytical mind and one who weighs all the pros and cons

[@djlunaticdreyfuss7562]

He was educated at Eton College, where at 15 he was at the bottom of his class.

[@jcullen-j7f]

The first lockdown was hugely popular...... with who?????

[@tehenga38nz]

10:46 what may possibly repair government mishandling of covid is a truth and reconciliation policy. Another thing would be for the govt banner on this video to be taken down, its a continuation of the patronization.

[@chrisallum9044]

There is no pathogen that would justify lock downs no matter how infectious or deadly. This is the case because were it sufficiently deadly or infectious people would not need to be forced. It's like having a policy that forces people to drink 2L of water and asking well what if thirst was really really high? If thirst were high then you wouldn't need to force them to drink!

[@silenthawkstudios9924]

What a senseless comparison. The lockdowns weren't to force you to not harm yourself, they were to force you to not harm others (along with forcing others to not harm you). A more reasonable comparison to the lockdowns would be assault and murder laws.

[@greggiles7309]

The whole world locked down. Get ready for the Zombie Apocalypse. Bunker full of beer and popcorn.

[@greggiles7309]

@@silenthawkstudios9924 Its my God given right to infect others, read the Bible.

[@gracefool]

@@greggiles7309 if you read the Bible you'd know the sick should be quarantined, not the healthy.

[@silenthawkstudios9924]

Proverbs 26:4-5: “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.”@@greggiles7309

[@karinturkington2455]

Intelligent thought and the ability to express it does still exist in small pockets of humanity such as in this rational and reasonable gentleman.

[@kevinansley7353]

Covid was a minor flu, Ardern needs to explain herself to a judge over that and her shameless promotion of racist policy. It is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race under our law.

[@Vinnie16920]

Utter respect to this gentleman. Nobody in power is talking about the excess mortality now though I see. Apart from Andrew Bridgen MP in the U.K.