Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: Why she’s so strongly against Treaty Principles Bill | Q+A 2024

[@Randymountaine]

I'm Maori and do not follow her politics or her opinions. She doesn't speak for me

[@Matikemai2040]

i’M mAoRi 😂😂😂 He uri koe nō hea?

[@harrybaker6219]

​@@Matikemai2040asain

[@张绍玲]

She doesn't speak for anyone,

[@Xixingpinghongkongphoey123]

Jack you are a wimp! What’s up with your soft approach? Within the first 50 seconds she admits she has extra rights? What the heck?!

[@lepa2863]

Jack is not a 'wimp'. He is educated and professional. Jack is respecting 'Wahine' whilst asking questions that everyone would like to ask, to understand both 'Maori', this huge Hikoi that took place and the Haka in parliment. What does a 'Soft' or 'Harsh' approach have to do with asking questions with reference to these huge significant events that have just happening and with the proposed changes to the 'Treaty'. Seymour was challenged when being interviewed because it is Seymour and the team making changes to the 'Treaty' - The hikoi are not people who just walked out for no reason, thousands of people are feeling the same.

[@Xixingpinghongkongphoey123]

@ I ain’t reading all that 🥱

[@LisaPoihegatama]

​@@Xixingpinghongkongphoey123then remain ignorant we don't care

[@LisaPoihegatama]

Anyways we Maori have different rights and you as a non Maori have your rights given to you by the Governor or his / her representative. As Maori we determine our own rights which may differ from from place to place and tribe to tribe etc. If I'm a Maori from say Wellington and I am in Auckland and want to fish I have to seek permission from the local tribe. Other settings for rights are yet to be discussed but generally in my view everyone has to work together in good faith

[@张绍玲]

@lepa2863 And that's why New Zealand will never progress.In 100 years there will be arguing about this issue.

[@ronshaw1955]

Third rate interviewer; fourth rate politician.

[@Malcom4850]

So True

[@张绍玲]

Absolutely

[@张绍玲]

I find Jack tame always biased. I don't rate him in the least.

[@Skybar23]

I think the Maori party are SCARED that if this bill was put to a public referendum , the NZ public would give the finger to the maori party and pass the bill

[@hailzreignmanga]

Sounds like some NZrs are jealous because they are not indigenous?

[@kennethmorgan7245]

Got one thing right out of that.( not indigenous) you lot drifted ashore like everyone else. Wernt even here first nor second very questionable third. But won't be proven until the true history of new zealand is spoken about openly and honestly.

[@jeromekerehi1580]

I don’t think so obviously we are already out numbered by pakeha and foreigners 20% against 80% of the nation on a split decision seems like we lost already but we will not back down and let these colonial clowns demoralise our culture anymore

[@Theyarealreadyhere]

​@@hailzreignmangasounds like maori are jot Indigenous

[@DW_Kiwi]

@@hailzreignmanga What a drip!!

[@rynstwrt]

@7:25 I'm yet to hear any real tangible way that we exist with '2 sovereign nations' inside NZ. Do we draw a line down the middle like the Korean peninsula? How does one determine whose laws they follow? If someone actually has answers to these sorts of questions, I would like to hear your ideas and perspectives. I understand that the honoring of the treaty was far from perfect, but we cannot simply 'undo' past wrongdoings as some may suggest. We need to look to the future. So my question is, what will nz look like in 100, 200, 500 more years? Honoring a treaty signed by a collection of chiefs, with an empire that lost power over centuries earlier, of neither who could have predicted the changes to the society... just seems a bit 'silly' for lack of a better word... I feel like we need this treaty principles bill in some form (not necessarily exactly the principles presented) to make it more consistent with the day to day lives of people who live in a modern integrated society of which BOTH parties centuries early never could have predicted. Why dont the Iwi leaders of today (not the maori party) get together and have a discussion with 'the crown' (whoever that even means??) and discuss the principles.

[@heminuiraho8235]

Kia ora 😂😂😂

[@rynstwrt]

@ kia ora :)

[@cameronmcdowell5899]

Absolutely. How do balance honouring te tiriti within a modern democratic framework? TPM talk of The "tyranny of the majority"where universal suffrage would see them outnumbered but the opposite is The " tyranny of the ethnic elite" where you disenfranchise people wanting a democracy. Thereun lies the rub but also the future of Aotearoa New Zealand we need to have a grown-up debate. I asked the same question of TeTiriti lawyer Roimata Smail at the writers festival. Difficult to answer but she gave some examples. I didn't see any working on a national scale though.

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

Didn't realize a bill advocating equality and anti discrimination would be so controversial and labeled as 'racist'. Amazing times we're living through.

[@raywheeler3135]

David Seymour is the one labelling this about race to create division. No treaty in human history has been signed between races. They are always by definition signed between sovereign nations. David is trying to rob Maori of their inheritance rights because they are Maori so yes it is racist.

[@TuffStallyonie]

It ain't got nothing to do with equality and anti discrimination if you actually spent more time looking into it. It's a way where corporate interests can reach into our resources and pay off who ever what has kept nz clean and green is Māori, Te Tiriti o waitangi document corporations and foreign interest have to go through Māori, iwi hapu many have been declined over the last 40 years coming here trying to buy people out but thankfully TT is the barrier to stop them many Pākeha have sold alot of our resources but it's Māori that say no. Hence Seymour is the pupet for these think tanks Atlas network and other donors. All in it for money not all nzders

[@amyfarrell8141]

If Seymour wanted equality he'd make sure we all own a home and earn the same money. This is such a joke of a take..

[@kiwi235kiwi]

​@@TuffStallyoniewhat do maori have in place to keep NZ clean and green? Can you elaborate and provide specifics?

[@TuffStallyonie]

@@kiwi235kiwi Ain't that hard too see when you actually look around Skittles. Do you think Pākeha have kept it clean and green? It's Te Tiriti document stopping polluters and greed from stripping this nation of what it is today. When you look across the world what has Pākeha done to Indegenous lands? Taken, stripped, destroyed, all for profit and selfishness. Now look at what this KKKoalition of 🤡s are trying to do to please there donors and foreign interest. Mine our Greenfield's and oceans, pollute our rivers for gold, sell off our foreshore and seabed the list goes on. Māori have kept them out this long except for what John key sold off

[@Bruiser223]

saying the hikoi wasn't run by the maori party is a blatant lie. the daughter of the maori party president and wife of rawiri williams owns the toitu te tiriti company

[@meadowfreshhmilk]

Good for Rawiri Williams.

[@poerava]

Are rugby game celebrations and attendance organised by NZRU?

[@TuffStallyonie]

Awesome to hear congrats to Rawiri he's da man💪🏾

[@danielle5980]

Bruiser223, well said.

[@ShaiTongariro]

👏🏽 amazing! Go rawiri .

[@Drifty325i]

She’s lying through her teeth

[@angeec3311]

No!! I know a lier when I see one and she wasn't

[@TuffStallyonie]

😂 No your crying over her😂

[@RaewynTairi]

@@Drifty325i cheap shot

[@tkkt27]

Skidmour taught her well then 😂

[@bradleycoe6972]

she said it herself yes she thinks she has more rights than you.

[@meadowfreshhmilk]

You also say she said it.

[@poerava]

And?

[@georgeorwell6869]

​@@poeravathat's racist by definition

[@patrickhauraki8713]

More rights than u bro lol

[@poerava]

⁠@@georgeorwell6869 Is it racist for the Swiss peoples to have more right than non Swiss people in their country? Is it racist for the Swedish to have more rights than non Swedish people in their country? Is it racist for the Welsh to have more rights than non Welsh in their country?

[@cringewithit]

Jack seemed a little irritated throughout about her inability to answer questions directly and the tendancy to fall back on tikanga buzzwords whenever pressure was applied.

[@Bruiser223]

why's she so afraid to admit that maori have more rights? she clearly knows/thinks this but the fact she doesn't want to admit it means she knows how wrong it is

[@meadowfreshhmilk]

If i could make you a maori, would you want to be one?.

[@Bruiser223]

@@meadowfreshhmilk if it means i jump the queue at the hospital sign me up

[@meadowfreshhmilk]

​@@Bruiser223You are signed up, welcome.

[@poerava]

Yeah. They do. And what? Deal with it. If you don’t want NZ sold off to corporate interests, you’d support Maori rights bro. If you have an agreement with a bank to have a home loan with them and I don’t, do you have more rights than me? Why would I try and fight for your home loan to include me. Silly arguments bro

[@meadowfreshhmilk]

@@poerava I don't see any argument here.

[@Mercuryoconnor5980]

She has just said it is up to Iwi to decide who counts as Maori or not. So If even if David has Maori ancestry the Iwi can reject him and then he is no longer Maori. That seems very problematic to me, like the old fashioned ruling classes in the UK with the lordships and ladyships.

[@davidmurphy6617]

As a moari , this lady is racist as ever

[@hakituaupiki9748]

How ?

[@davidmurphy6617]

@@hakituaupiki9748 did you not hear her at all ?

[@SoBlissedOut]

What’s a moari?

[@TuffStallyonie]

😂 you boomers are hilarious you ain't no Māori you flop, what's your whakapapa? Where's your marae, who's your Rangatira, are you connected to your papakainga? What's your maunga, awa, waka,iwi hapu, etc?

[@angeec3311]

@@SoBlissedOut Racist are you kidding!! You can't be Maori?

[@Negaah21]

John Tamihere is the mastermind behind all these puppets. The cringe I get from these people is incredibly high.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Yeah, but you're also the guy who used to call gay people slurs, so who cares what you get cringe from

[@Malcom4850]

True.. and what a nice person he is...

[@heminuiraho8235]

Ooh ...and there you go, flappn your gums again

[@johnfrancis4563]

Her Irish mum must be proud

[@raywheeler3135]

Does your mum know who your dad is?

[@Pastaaa204]

I would say she is immensely proud of Debbie - especially given the crowns and Britain's treatment of the Irish isn't too dissimilar from that of how they treat Maori.

[@TuffStallyonie]

I'm sure she would be very proud of how far she has come and standing up to racism and division from your pedo pals the Act party

[@ShaiTongariro]

I’m proud of her

[@Tareana777]

@@Pastaaa204nail on the head babe xo

[@bigboyair6824]

Lol not a gun gesture... if she lies about that when it's on video then can't believe thing she says. Soooo many lies told here.. not a recruitment drive lol

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

Bullkaka

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL

[@Tre3dog]

I dont think she answered a single question truthfully, imagine that person being in parliament.... oh wait

[@angeec3311]

@@Tre3dog You clearly didn't vote for the Maori party!! Shame

[@Tre3dog]

@@angeec3311 OFC i didnt. they are a racist party wanting to divide the country.

[@bamargalinggam]

What a waste of time, Jack. Living and paying Tax over 30 year why I can get same right as her.

[@KingBreezy58NZ]

What rights are you talking about?

[@KisC4454]

Pathetic. You were far tougher with Seymour, Jack. Why didn’t you ask her what Atlas is. Why didn’t you press her about their desire for a seperate parliament? Afraid she would call you racist huh?

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL

[@patrickhauraki8713]

Hahahahaha

[@kingkinkladze7352]

What do you think Atlas is? Do you agree with big money being in our politics?

[@khzn9309]

Just His mere Common Sense & that of the Worlds View now abroad have been Informed already that at the End of the Day Only the Truth Prevails to which even Law & Tikanga alone Understands & Adheres to very Clearly & very Firmly therefore above all question despite Who & Why anyone or another should think otherwise...its that Simple....isn't it

[@Tre3dog]

100% agree

[@akazaka3578]

Honestly, this is an awful interview. The interviewee made claims that Act member David Seymour is part of a group named "Atlas Network". This was central to her argument as it ascribes motives to the Act Party raising this bill and she believes this is bad. The interviewer did not press her on this at all. As a viewer I have no idea if there's any legitimacy to this claim nor do I have any idea if this group is bad as she claims.

[@tanepukenga1421]

It's not a "claim". The idiot let himself get filmed in a panel FOR THEM in the US. That's like saying people "claim" to have bank accounts. Or for him to question the Luxon's "claims" on if he's the PM or not. It's all over the internet and I would hazard a guess they assume you can use google as well as you or I. If my children can do it, a fully functional adult should be capable of doing the same.

[@akazaka3578]

@@tanepukenga1421 I mean it may be true he was at some Atlas event but I think there's a difference between doing a google search and being an expert about something. If you are interviewing someone who is an expert about Atlas and their motives then you should probe their knowledge on the subject so they can inform the viewers. That's part of the responsibility of the media so the population doesn't become misinformed by god knows what stuff they find online.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@akazaka3578 No, he was speaking as their representative. On the panel. Not near it, not escorting it, as a speaking guest on their behalf. WHICH he tried lying about until the footage got around. Now he stays silent on the subject.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@akazaka3578 The media doesn't have a responsibility to print proven lies though. His connection and funding through ATLAS, even LAST YEAR, has been more than proven. As a responsible media agent then they have an obligation to the public not to print known lies. Like a lawyer putting someone on the stand knowing they're going to commit perjury

[@zenRichard]

JT doesn't challenge her Atlas conspiracy assertions at all, disappointing.

[@reasonablearticalo]

Because there's nothing to challenge. There's photos of Seymour at an Atlas summit, there's interviews of him speaking with a forced Canadian accent while working in Canada. He's anybody the Network wants him to be. His ties to Atlas are well-established, and we, as New Zealanders, should be constantly questioning their interference in our democracy.

[@AholeAtheist]

Nothing to challenge. Wake up.

[@kingkinkladze7352]

@@reasonablearticalo Bingo

[@kingkinkladze7352]

It's not a conspiracy. Research yourself and open your eyes.

[@AngieSainty]

It is not even a secret anymore ... well documented knowledge (even though Seymour lied about it, when Mihingarangi Forbes questioned him on it).. Claimed it was a 'conspiracy theory' and then mumbled something about Pizzagate ... wtf? :/ Little Lord Fauntleroy, is an Atlas trained neo-liberalist.

[@jesseparker198]

Very passive from Jack

[@Lukejb2Butterworth]

consider his interview with David Seymour when after firing 3 or 4 questions he would let David get maybe 2 or 3 words out and then fire away another 20 questions

[@RaewynTairi]

​@@Lukejb2Butterworththat's pretty much what david was doing. Why because ds didn't want to listen to facts

[@Lukejb2Butterworth]

@@RaewynTairi wow talk about bias and being blind

[@RaewynTairi]

@@Lukejb2Butterworth yes you are

[@Lukejb2Butterworth]

@@RaewynTairi wow so original , WEAK

[@bigthinker281]

That’s so unfair Jack. This is such biased coverage compared to David. I’m glad I don’t watch this show or the msm anymore.

[@kergo12]

Put it to the vote, let the public decide. Like how its suppose to work.

[@RaewynTairi]

@@kergo12 who's gona listen to you🤣🤣🤣

[@TracyBrown-p5h]

Last time that happened Maori were murdered raped and their lands were stolen. I don't think so .

[@Troyper-lu3jz]

​@@TracyBrown-p5h oh is that correct is it cersei? 😂 you lost

[@Ray-NZ.]

No, Maori are minority. We can bloody count. Its a Racists construct brought by greedy bastards looking to grab land rights, for oil, seabed destruction of the planet

[@tkkt27]

@@Troyper-lu3jz yeah it is 🤦‍♀️😂 that's why Maori are getting paid out through claims 🙄😉😂

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

I’d rather live in a democratic country with a democratically elected government. Not a country governed by rangitera hocus-pocus. Should be pretty obvious.

[@dallasgraham2813]

I can drive you to the airport

[@RemoteViewerMaori]

😂

[@khzn9309]

Your Bias Views & Fear of Equal Share & Rights in Equality to Advise & Assist also in making Laws in Our Country is like a Chain & Ball to you isn't it

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

@ what are you talking about?

[@kingkinkladze7352]

Says the person supporting a bill run by a stooge for the Atlas Network, who want to funnel more money into our politics and essentially destroy democracy in our country and globally.

[@Lukejb2Butterworth]

Disgusting media bias shown here makes me want to throw up , he would not even let David Seymour get 2 words out of his mouth before he interrupted and demanded answers about something else .I have never seen such a blatant display in some time .

[@tanepukenga1421]

Seymour kept on lying. There's the difference. They are a show about politics, not just a campaigning ad. If a interviewee is lying about something easily provable, they move on to the next subject so it's not just a 40 minute ad for whatever sound bites they want to put out. That's what their political pages are for. Seymour lied about his cutting school lunches not costing the schools, he lied about reducing doctors not having an outcome on someone's health (like, just wtf with that one) and he lied about his treaty bill not making race relations worse in this nation and not changing the fundamental document. She didn't do any of that. Maybe you should be looking at why you're willing to let one politician clearly lie to your face and be fine with it. Everyone else understands that looking through a warped window taints your perspective.

[@Malcom4850]

Tame has always been crap.. just another lefty..

[@Lukejb2Butterworth]

@@tanepukenga1421 Maori are most certainly given extra rights other kiwis lack and maori are in the fishing industry ,so 2minutesin and she's lying to our faces and that smirk on her face makes me want to throw up

[@kennethmorgan7245]

Every time the maori party open their mouths it's nothing but lies to line their own pockets and the only so called maori that are concerned about things are ones wanting to stay on the gravy train instead of being a functioning part of society standing equally with everyone else in the country

[@thedesignweasel]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gorXlqCbg9Znl7s that's coz he's lying to you and everyone

[@MartinCameronHamiltonNZ]

I really get agitated by statements like "Those extra rights are afforded [to us] because we are Tangata Whenua". She speaks as if she represents Maori. She speaks as if there is an Homogeneous group identifiable as Maori within NZ. She talks as if the people she represents - the 2.6% - are one issue kiwis. The greatest sin of all is that she exploits the myth of Maoridom - that anyone who agrees with her is a Maori and anyone who disagrees with her is WRONG. As a komatua, I DO NOT accept any of that. What I do accept is that Seymour is an opportunistic piece of garbage who has seized the day with a weak and ineffective PM (whose lips move in time with the latest self-help trash that he's reading) and is happy to bully him because he knows that Luxon is too weak and too craven and too hungry for the "baubles of office"to oppose him. The Treaty is. The Treaty stands. The Treaty is alive. However, it's not a piece of waste that can be picked up and used for political ends. For my money, The Maori Party is as bad as Seymour. Their posturing is for their own greedy political ends - it has nothing to do with right and wrong. And no amount of double speak by Ngarewa Packer or her ilk - no amount of redefining alternative facts as she does - will change any of that.

[@saregama-r8td]

Maori do not have more rights in a realistic sense other than getting a spot at the table so their voice is heard. It ends up working out best for all of New Zealand especially with land and mining.If Maori and pacifica need more assistance with education, housing and health, so what?

[@poerava]

It’s a given that groups exist, despite everyone in the group agreeing 100%. This argument seems very pronounced among Maori. There is no need for this false requirement for Maori to be in more alignment internally than any other group. Respectfully, we don’t have a special requirement to be of one voice. Being specific, what policy do you disagree with in the Maori party?

[@DreamaFishing]

What a load of claptrap by Debbie NP. She knows the writing is on the wall for her and her party for their divisive and entitled behavior. Enough is enough. The people will have the final say.

[@willturbot1044]

@@DreamaFishing That is right, the more she spouts bile the more the middle 50% of voters (who control the election) will be in favour of keeping this coalition in power. Keep talking trash rabbit queen.

[@blu7809]

Komatua???You can’t even spell it. You’re not a “Kaumātua”. Stop being so emotional. Māori have had to put up with your type hatred for years. Roll over buddy we aren’t stopping.

[@marcusclouth9958]

Can Debbie and Rawiri work on their haka. It was pretty shit

[@tkkt27]

@@marcusclouth9958 they don't need to. They had Hana-Rawhiti and what an outstanding job she did 😏

[@ims44]

Totally unbiased media again. Why do you let her answer and not ride over the top of the answer immediately or add we are running out of time like with Seymour? Worried that Jenny May might come at you later?

[@tanepukenga1421]

Cause Seymour lied, ones that were very easily proved and some that were just stupid. Who is seriously going to believe less doctors and more landlords doesn't equate into worse outcomes?

[@tomzdabomb123]

Appalling responses and a deeply unimpressive member of the house. Regardless of her views, she struggles intellectually to convey her message in any logical way and these radical, undemocratic and racist ideologies are not welcome in Aotearoa

[@56redgreen]

She wants to obfuscate her views. I thought she did a really good job.

[@张绍玲]

What would you expect ?

[@Peperigee]

Shes more irish than Maori. Why does she not fight for her majority irish heritage rights? I dont get it.

[@jame2433]

Because the Irish didn’t sign the treaty? What

[@tanepukenga1421]

And this is the racism we're trying to keep out of our nation. We don't do "blood quota"

[@Peperigee]

@jame2433 but they got screwed by the English? What

[@jame2433]

@@Peperigee the treaty is what this is about. I must be missing what this has to do with the Irish. The treaty is between Māori and crown

[@Peperigee]

@jame2433 I realise this but i never heard Debbie utter a single word about her Irish heritage indiscretions by the crown, not a word. I have to question how genuine she is if she can completely ignore one side of her heritage and focus fully on her other side. I'm dual heritage, and I love both my bloodlines just the same.

[@NZJ117]

Not a gun gesture 🤣

[@asha6822]

"Protect all new Zealanders from corporate exploitation"... But what about "Maori exploitation", arguably a greater threat to kiwis

[@reasonablearticalo]

Look back on this comment when New Zealand is sold off piece by piece, and a US-style healthcare system is horrifically introduced. Will you admit that was worse then, or will you still say "Well we lost our way of life to corporate interests, but at least we didn't empower our fellow man?"

[@raywheeler3135]

Oh dear you poor wee exploiited thing. Do you need a hug?

[@craybro]

I watched Jack’s interview with David Seymour and this one right after. Jack definitely went easy on Debbie compared to David.

[@marcusclouth9958]

Jack Lame😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bigthinker281]

Does she pay tax? Who does she pay tax to? Who or what system does she take her salary from? 🤔

[@marknicol4957]

I have a birth right also. I am 5th generation New Zealander. Family here before treaty signing, and I have a right to live in a fair country all living as one.

[@nathanbellamy3308]

You do muppet, what rights dont you have?

[@kiwi235kiwi]

@nathanbellamy3308 what special rights are maori fighting for then Nathan tickle-me Elmo? 🤣

[@nathanbellamy3308]

@kiwi235kiwi name calling? You obviously have insecurities. Were not, were protect the rights we already have. How do they effect you?

[@kiwi235kiwi]

@nathanbellamy3308 you literally just called someone a Muppet. So it's a reply to that 🤣🤣🤣

[@kiwi235kiwi]

@@nathanbellamy3308 anyone having different right to anyone else obviously affects that person. do you not understand?

[@zenRichard]

Unfortunately her grift is based on discrimination and division. No-one is trying to challenge anyone's existence.

[@AholeAtheist]

False. ACT is the party dividing us. The rest of us stand united.

[@grahamgottard]

Australian aboriginal people are indiginous. 50,000 years is the minimum estimate that they were in Aus . How long since maori came to NZ? 300 or 400 years prior to Europeans. How does that compare? And how long were Moriori here before Maori? We are all equal . Period. Equal rights, equal before the law, equal voting power. This is the only way forward into the 21st century.

[@Snakehead-yb7pg]

All those rights are equal? Māori just have a say about what happens in their back yard as agreed upon by the crown. Ik ur going to have a cry about that because it’s ur back yard to or whatever sure; but the sentiment that Māori are more privileged than you when income, life expectancy, education, infant mortality and poverty all say otherwise is just rubbish; they are just trying to protect the land which was taken by us by force it’s not some racially motivated agenda.

[@nanesnowie8012]

Maori are decendants of Moriora

[@DebbieKewish]

Absolutely agree!

[@ianwatson65]

@@Snakehead-yb7pg It wasnt taken from you and no one today took it from them. Most Maori are 90% white , decendants and beneficiaries of these wrongdoers alike. This endless rort has to stop its just becoming ridiculous

[@Tareana777]

It seems like people only care about Indigenous Australian rights when it aligns with their own agenda. We’re not all equal-let’s not forget the mistreatment Māori endured during colonization, including violence, the forced removal of children, and widespread discrimination. I hope this is something you learned about in school, but if not, perhaps it’s time to re-educate yourself on the topic. It’s crucial to understand that Māori are not equal before the law because they never ceded sovereignty to the Crown. If we don’t address these historical injustices, we risk repeating the same harmful cycle.

[@Ced_GT]

Maori have special privileges and rights the rest of New Zealand don't have. We cant have one right for one race and another right for the rest. That's apartheid by its very nature and why we protested against it during the 81 Springbok tour.

[@raywheeler3135]

Maori have special inheritance rights based on nationality not race. Queen Victoria clearly gave them these inheritance rights in the Treaty. Seymour is lying to you about this being a race issue in order to play divide and rule.

[@linden5165]

Nobody is arguing for segregation and none of this is about race.

[@Tareana777]

In New Zealand, the Treaty of Waitangi, signed in 1840, established agreements between the Crown and Māori tribes, guaranteeing Māori rights to their lands and resources. However, historical breaches of the Treaty saw the Crown unjustly confiscate vast areas of Māori land, leading to significant socio-economic disadvantages. Today, these injustices are reflected in disparities in health, education, and employment opportunities for Māori compared to other New Zealanders. Efforts to address these inequities include targeted initiatives and policies aimed at improving outcomes for Māori, alongside ongoing Treaty settlements to acknowledge and redress past grievances.

[@Noname-r1g8u]

​@@raywheeler3135 but we are living in 2025. Why do you think you deserve special rights???

[@neil3488]

Jack's questions were very good, although he didn't ask about Te Pati Maori's call for a separate Maori Parliament.

[@TuffStallyonie]

I'd say let it happen, as Jack stated with Seymour the pedo snapchatter, Te Tiriti have exclusive rights too Māori so what's the problem sis?

[@deanspanley4472]

No Race based privileges

[@tanepukenga1421]

But overriding a participant's agreement or not on a treaty is ok, but only for one race!

[@darrenturner8739]

I love the maori culture as being part of my NZ heritage and wouldn't want this to change. I also like the environmental protection aspect that Maori contribute to. However we all contribute to NZ society, pay taxes, and are part of NZ, so should all have equal rights. I dont think anyone should be against this. Debbie has said she has more rights and obligations. They are not necessarily linked. I am not wanting to remove her obligations (unless she wanted to), but rights can and should be equal.

[@chelesetukuafu7240]

If us kiwis went to another country and worked, payed taxes etc … do you think we will get equal rights in that country as their indigenous people… 🤨

[@darrenturner8739]

@@chelesetukuafu7240 I understand the point you are trying to make because I sometimes feel deserving of more rights because I was born here vs someone who wasn't. But for me I think we need to draw the line at equal rights for all NZ Citizens (i.e. New Zealander's)

[@Blackstock123]

@@chelesetukuafu7240 so you think indigenous should have more rights than other based on race?

[@Limit6239]

@@darrenturner8739 If you aren't a descendant of the original people, you are a descendant of an immigrant. Why should you have equal property rights then? Why should you have a say in how lakes and rivers are managed when you have nothing to do with the original owners. That is why Maori have extra rights - property rights passed down their families.

[@brentreid7408]

​@@Limit6239 People born here are not immigrants. People who are born overseas and come here and become citizens are New Zealanders. Maori are New Zealanders. We all have equal rights responsibilities. We all have a right to have a say on how this country is run. To say Maori have more of a say is unequal and separatist.

[@steveharris5008]

ducking and diving from this non-maori hater; attributing agendas to Seymour with no facts or basis and implying that only she and her fellow haters are capable of looking after all kiwis interests...

[@AholeAtheist]

nO bAsIs.. LOL Seek education.

[@hakituaupiki9748]

You're a Maori hater trying to hide.

[@steveharris5008]

@@hakituaupiki9748 I'm my own maori and I don't need her hatred...

[@hakituaupiki9748]

@@steveharris5008 I was meant to say, you're a Maori hater and a kiwi not trying to hide. Your argument is grounded in colonial kiwi interests, thirsty to maintain control

[@steveharris5008]

@@hakituaupiki9748 you saying I hate my own people? I'm not like packer and waititi who only like those that agrre with them; your cliched rhetoric of colonial... and control don't make sense. buzz words for the lazy and nonsensical; give me Peters, Jones and Seymour any and every day...

[@DavidOlliff]

Well done "Marshmellow" Jack!!

[@nimmymathew729]

Is it just me or she just adds a lot of moari words to confuse? A subtitle would have helped.

[@buffalobill2874]

They are big polysyllabic words. It's a bit intimidating if you're not confident with the subject matter.

[@tanepukenga1421]

It's just you

[@ALSutton]

Yeesh, this birth right conversation sounds bad. I think that's the wrong tactic for TPM to use. Especially for working New Zealanders. I won't be voting for them next election.

[@pradeepmagan6951]

Congrats Jack - Baby on the way, but what the hell is Atlas and soft questions - come on Jack what are you afraid of

[@randymagnum7817]

Another biased media interview. Letting her talk with little to no challenge. She didn't want to admit Maori have more rights and jack let her get away with it. Pathetic.

[@peternixon7167]

You get your own electorates! You and your co leader wouldn't be in parliament if you didn't. That is special treatment!

[@raywheeler3135]

You need a history lesson. Maori were given four seats in the 1867 election to guarantee that the Pakeha minority would still hold the majority of the seats in Parliament. Now that Maori are playing the Pakeha at their own game the poor old racists in this country are crying racism.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@asha6822]

Jack using kid gloves.

[@Youknowwhatyouknowbro]

This lady Debbie is not a nice person she is extremely dangerous

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL

[@Youknowwhatyouknowbro]

@@AholeAtheist lol you a ninja

[@laurencaseley5355]

How?!

[@fbkraso3335]

lol do you no her personally?

[@dandie94]

You, bro, don't even know what you don't know. Certainly sounds like a racist angle though

[@ryanm2525]

Pai te korero whaea Deb ka pai

[@mrcamera420]

Sovereign adjective 1. possessing supreme or ultimate power. Having 2 sovereigns is an oxymoron

[@Bruiser223]

there's also proof that at least some if not most of the maori chiefs had given up sovereignty, in order to get protection from the crown

[@poerava]

@@Bruiser223 Silly comment Do more research bud

[@AholeAtheist]

Not really.

[@AholeAtheist]

@@Bruiser223 False.

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

Quick, we better tell Europe that they can't have more than one Sovereign.

[@marcusclouth9958]

Rights are to look after your moko. Jack Lame. Being Lame as usual.

[@omose8]

This Atlas bullshit is the best she can do as to why we shouldnt have equal rights ,the presenter didnt even press her on her wild conspiracy theories.

[@willturbot1044]

Yes, suprised she didn;t start talking about the vaccine.

[@kingkinkladze7352]

ACT's links to Atlas is not in fact a conspiracy and it is well documented. Stop falling for Seymour's lies.

[@questor55]

How much did Atlas pay you to say that? J/k

[@TuffStallyonie]

@@omose8 🤣 Atlas B.S, why is it that everyone else is aware of them except the minority supporters of the act party🤣 I'll leave this here for you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/epivmmWhZap8ebMsi=0K0wuamvPFsgCayH

[@sbeehre]

Im surprised she didn't turn up with a tinfoil hat with all the conspiracy theory bs

[@jimnz8402]

I watched this whole thing waiting for a clear, logical argument. Still nothing. Just the same typical childish, petty slander and insinuations, and you can see how tired she is, from staying up all night thinking about how to make this an "anti corporate greed" argument. Soo stupid.

[@reasonablearticalo]

If your existence was debated, you'd be tired too.

[@jimnz8402]

@@reasonablearticalo What a ridiculous and absurd thing to say. Point me to one article, video or reference which involves debating the "Existence of Māori". Seriously, what are you talking about?

[@reasonablearticalo]

@@jimnz8402 Right, so the tenor of your comment assumes that so long as there's no calls for the extermination or segregation of Maori, they're being treated okay. This is obviously not what I mean when I refer to "existence," as racism has outgrown such in-your-face examples as segregated drinking fountains or Whites-only churches. Existence here, when my comment is read is good faith, refers to the Treaty principles being altered long after the ink on the compact is dry. Seymour is advising us that Maori apparently have too many rights, and are flying just too high above the rest of us. Despite the obvious socioeconomic status of the group in general, educational outcomes, jobs, whatever you'd like me to cite to reinforce my "ridiculous" and "absurd" argument. Statistics are never mendacious, but mendacious people can make them say whatever they like. When judged fairly, it should be obvious that Maori do not have too many rights in this country. If we can't agree on this, there's no more to be said. Ultimately, all New Zealanders should fear and question Atlas's intercession into our democracy, and consider exactly what they want to accomplish by sowing all of this division. I foresee a future where New Zealand is sold off piecemeal to corporate interests, and a US-style healthcare system is implemented off the back of depriving one's fellow man of the scintilla of pride and authority they wield. And the worst of us will of course say "Well, we lost everything that made us New Zealanders, but at least no Maori flew higher than a Pakeha." We should resist this outcome with all of our might. All of us should come together, ignore this racist assault on our laws, and turf out the real blight on our way of life: corporate interests.

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL. You need an education.

[@angeec3311]

I think Debbie was great

[@willturbot1044]

Miss Bile. She is not very intelligent.

[@questor55]

She's a well educated trained Marxist at the top of her game. Look at how well she has Jack trapped inside her hall of mirrors. Jack had a good debate with Seymour. But she gives him nothing to grab on to, deferring to a collective, unaccountable nebulous authority that he has no reply to. She seems pretty smart to me.

[@JimmyJenks-u8v]

And the deluded little fox terrier David Seymour is? He has the maturity and awareness of a 9 year old boy.

[@nathanbellamy3308]

You are???? 😂😂😂😂

[@willturbot1044]

@@nathanbellamy3308 Dunning-Kruger effect

[@nathanbellamy3308]

@willturbot1044 exactly, oh the irony of your assertation. Lol

[@Jeremy-u3i]

She is on some great crack!!

[@grahamgottard]

Who wants to disagree with this? Principle 1. The Government of New Zealand has full power to govern, and Parliament has full power to make laws. They do so in the best interests of everyone, and in accordance with the rule of law and the maintenance of a free and democratic society. Principle 2: Rights of Hapū and Iwi Māori The Crown recognises, and will respect and protect, the rights that hapū and iwi Māori had under the Treaty of Waitangi at the time they signed it. If those rights differ from the rights of everyone, it will only be when agreed in the settlement of a historical treaty claim under the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975. Principle 3: Right to Equality Everyone is equal before the law and is entitled to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination. Everyone is entitled to the equal enjoyment of the same fundamental human rights without discrimination.

[@danielle5980]

Makes good sense to me, and i fully support it. Dont understand how anyone can NOT UNDERSTAND HOW CLEAR IT IS, especially, when it says The Crown will recognise the rights of iwi and hapu Maori under The Treaty, and everyone should be treated equal. Youd think with all the fuss over the last week with this protest walk, that Seymour was saying "Thats it, The Treaty is null and void".

[@StGammon77]

The Maoris don't like it because it is not written in Te Reo and so they don't have a chance to bastardise it

[@questor55]

​@@danielle5980she does understand it, I guess. But she explicitly disagrees with equal rights

[@Tareana777]

The principles outlined in the Treaty of Waitangi could marginalize Māori needs by focusing on broad, general policies that prioritize the interests of the majority, which may overlook the unique cultural, historical, and socio-economic needs of Māori. The principle of “best interests of everyone” could dilute specific Māori concerns, while the conditional recognition of rights based on settled Treaty claims excludes iwi or hapū without settlements. Additionally, the focus on formal equality in Principle 3 could prevent targeted support for Māori, ignoring historical inequities and undermining Māori self-determination (tino rangatiratanga). Without clear integration of Treaty obligations, policies might fail to fully protect Māori rights or prioritize their distinct needs.

[@Tareana777]

@@danielle5980 The principles outlined in the Treaty of Waitangi could marginalize Māori needs by focusing on broad, general policies that prioritize the interests of the majority, which may overlook the unique cultural, historical, and socio-economic needs of Māori. The principle of “best interests of everyone” could dilute specific Māori concerns, while the conditional recognition of rights based on settled Treaty claims excludes iwi or hapū without settlements. Additionally, the focus on formal equality in Principle 3 could prevent targeted support for Māori, ignoring historical inequities and undermining Māori self-determination (tino rangatiratanga). Without clear integration of Treaty obligations, policies might fail to fully protect Māori rights or prioritize their distinct needs.

[@TheMarathonomahos]

If everyone left NZ but Maori, they wouldn't survive. But that's essentially what she is asking for, but with the monetary backing off the rest of NZ.

[@Bgaylor]

Shes racist!

[@Tareana777]

What?

[@mobbarley7517]

​@Tareana777 the definition of racism is believing one race is superior what else who you call saying your race gets extra rights?

[@LUC1DBOX]

@@mobbarley7517 Do you think that people living in Tauranga should have more of a say over how their city and region is developed than those living in other regions? Or should we ALL get to say what Tauranga should be like?

[@mobbarley7517]

@LUC1DBOX maori people in Tauranga shouldn't get more say than non maori, it's not difficult unless you are racist

[@LUC1DBOX]

@@mobbarley7517 That wasn't question though. I am asking if people belonging to the Tauranga region and community should have more say than those outside of that region and community?

[@stefanlenz2981]

I'm a German and I find this quite interesting. My question is: How is it exactly defined who is a Maori? If this lady didn't have the face tattoo, I would definitely not think that she is Maori. If I met her in Germany in a supermarket, I would not even identify her as foreign just from the looks and maybe guessed she is British if I had to.... In my point of view there will be a point of intermixing of people where it just becomes untenable to claim that you are indigenous and deserve more rights if you just have some part of one ethnicity mixed into your genetic heritage.

[@SergeyIvanov-y7n]

David Seymour, so well done, Respect.

[@angeec3311]

Dave the Rave was better on dancing with stars

[@Tareana777]

Played you like a fiddle

[@Rhonda-z9q]

The TWISTED version of Te Tiriti was instilled into NZ politics with the Waitangi Tribunal's influence and with the assistance of Colonialist MP's , Chris Finlayson, Geoffery Palmer and furthered by the labour colonialists Adern, Hipkins Little etcetera. If Te Pati Maori kept quiet, the agenda to takeover of NZ by 1840 might have succeeded.

[@paywize]

There are no Principles in the Treaty but there are Principles in Legislation. That's the issue. They need to be taken out of Legislation, no re-defining of the Treaty required. The Articles speak for themselves.

[@NZ-ms3vc]

Which version though? Maori or the English version?

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@NZ-ms3vc The only one the majority signed, obviously. It's the only one rattified in international law after all

[@harrycurrie9664]

Protects the principals, but doesn't know what they are because the Waitangi tribunal can change them at will. She also says Maori should have right to veto any business deal ...Mafia.

[@MrRigstar]

''Maori have more rights because we are indigenous." Really 🤔. Not sure about that one. Every human being should have equal rights when born in this country.

[@brendanmills5536]

I wonder how one qualifies as indigenous in 2024 and moving forward, there's such a scale of ancestry to the original indigenous signatories to the treaty, by what metric do we decide how maori we are? The debate is very polarized and binary despite how vague it all is in reality

[@blueplanet3026]

The Public submissions are now being called for Principles of the Treaty of the Bill. Make your opinion known to the select committee.

[@TuffStallyonie]

@@blueplanet3026 Yep we definitely have we are aware Hobson's pledgers and act supporters have 140k plus, going into there little racist submissions but they don't even know how Māori have countered those numbers by miles🤣🤣 #overseassubmissions😉

[@patu5798]

Could Debbie only handle 15 mins ? Couldn’t name one thing wrong with the bill in the first question

[@raywheeler3135]

You weren't listening

[@Bgaylor]

Jacks smiling at her the whole interview

[@raukuraropiha7559]

Debbie is not a Rangatira she is a paid crown agent under Statute and NZ Legislation

[@SoBlissedOut]

She was the CEO for Ngati Ruanui for years.

[@angeec3311]

you need a nice cup of tea

[@iosefaandrews2351]

They don't recognise the crown as sovereign so why are te Pati even in parliament? They have no care for the rules of the house and their contempt for non maori is obvious.

[@raukuraropiha7559]

@@SoBlissedOut still is but controls our assets as the Director of Ngati Ruanui through the NR Holding Company. My cousin Rach is the pretend CEO for the Runanga. It's a Muppet Show at home 🤦‍♀️

[@raukuraropiha7559]

@@angeec3311 yes enjoyed my cup of Earl Grey ThanQ

[@volcanictephra]

Why not make a submission at the select commitee? I want to know what the Maori party thinks are the principles. Surely, they must be able to articulate this? If they think they have separate sovereignty from non-maori, then I want to know how this will work. I'm not saying I'm opposed. It might be all good and reasonable if properly articulated.

[@tkkt27]

@@volcanictephra They already have sovereignty...want proof, that's why Skidmour wants the right to govern ALL "New Zealanders" 🙄😜 now how has Maori having kept their sovereignty affect YOU?

[@robertmiller2173]

I’m Tungatawhenua, I was born here as were my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents, sorry I can’t go along with this! This is Racist. We are never going to agree! I don’t want my Children, Grand Children etc to be given different rights because of DNA/Race. This is wrong! I just want 1 person 1 vote. This lady makes me proud that I’m who I am. I think her view is very narrow. I have to say the gun action, was obvious, and deeply disgusting!

[@nathanbellamy3308]

Tungata lol. Yes you are 😂

[@NZ-ms3vc]

No, you don't get an extra vote if you're on the Māori roll!

[@robertmiller2173]

@@NZ-ms3vc You get extra powers and voting rights on all organizations etc that have been sucked into Fats Kirk and Fats Lange’s new version of the Treaty

[@marcusclouth9958]

Jack Lame and Debbie kaka. Mooooore kaka

[@plumbus813]

She just start up admits Maori have extra rights in New Zealand and thats a good thing...! It's the year 2024, let's leave racial preferences in the dustbin of history!!

[@tanepukenga1421]

Then you probably shouldn't use it to take an agreement out of the hands of only one race of people in the nation, huh? Hipocracy irl

[@iosefaandrews2351]

Moriori enter the conversation

[@tanepukenga1421]

They're a Hapu of Maori, they're already in it. They're covered by the treaty too

[@mikelaw4865]

⁠@@tanepukenga1421 Maoriori are a seperate indigenous people of Rekohu with their own seperate language and culture. They are not a hapu of Maori and were almost exterminated by Maori which is why there are only 1000 known Maoriori descendants today although there may be around 3500 descendants today in total although many will likely go to their grave never knowing that they whakapapa Maoriori.

[@stewatparkpark2933]

2 majority Euros pretending .

[@tanepukenga1421]

Showing you can't think in any respect other than race.

[@MaryAda-wj3dy]

What more would you expect. Isnt most of their propaganda based on mistruths and deception. Couldn't lay straight in bed if they tried.

[@AllanClarke-tz9ue]

So why does a party that has less than 4% of the national vote have all the say?

[@angeec3311]

Dave the Rave!! Loves the spot light regardless of the damage he courses Eg Dancing with the Stars

[@johnnyrarere]

Jack trying to make her say yes we do have more rights as landowners always do have over boarders / newcomers Jack trying to make the Hikoi a Maori Party recruitment exercise ..

[@adelaidewilson7917]

governments off the past havent PAID out ALL iwi around the rohe NGAPUHI and KAHUNUNU and MANY OTHER IWI STILL awaiting due payments..so why the principles bill by Act n coalition government when these major grievances are still outstanding over 180 years ...when will it END

[@mcgruff3309]

The Crown pays nothing! The tax person pays including Maori people!

[@poerava]

The crown have paid .02% of the revenue they have made from the illegal seizures and theft of land. Fun fact More money has been given back to land lords in one year (this year) by the crown, than to Maori since 1840 ($2.9B / $2,900,000,000 in tax deductions)

[@smstee19]

​@@poerava pono 🤲

[@poerava]

@@smstee19 Nga mihi. These red necks be popping out of the woodwork up in this waka aye. Man.

[@taralorraine9814]

Q+A with Jack Tame, because he asks the question, and then he keeps talking and talking.....

[@W_Bin]

The only decent all angles coverage of our country's issues. Thank you Jack and NZ on Air.

[@poerava]

Here here And BHN

[@overover..]

Thanks Jack, NZ on air not so much

[@overover..]

​@@poerava😂

[@raukuraropiha7559]

Debbie conducted a gun movement aimed at Act Members, wow Debbie is in trouble for her repugnant actions.

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL. wut?

[@raukuraropiha7559]

@@AholeAtheist Kia Ora yes my cousin Debbie of TPM pointed gun symbols with her naughty fingers and aimed towards the members of the Act Party. My cousin is a naughty lady and she is being investigated for crimes against humanity., pursuant to US Executive Order 13818. Did you all know that Te Pati Maori is a company registered on the Global directory based in Florida. Isn't it great that President Trump is Commander in Chief.... God Bless President Trump and God Bless the World #WWG1WGA Q

[@bunnychowmuncher]

Speaking as an outsider would it be easier for both parties (groups of people - Maori and non-Maori) if NZ becomes a Republic and not have the British Monarch as the head of state so you can start together with a clean slate?

[@willturbot1044]

Can't see Mardi agreeing to that. They can;t even tell us why they don;t like Seymores bill.

[@PeterGrant-vh9cg]

Yeah becone a republic east as

[@bunnychowmuncher]

I live in Canada so we have a very similar setup. The Maori are being asked to make concessions and changes and perhaps removing the crown part would be a mutual concession on the part of the Pakeha and all other non-Maori people. Just a suggestion, because the Maori may be getting frustrated at being asked to step into more modern times yet on the other foot the crown stays which is also outdated. Very often in negotiations both sides need to give something to get something in a quid-pro-quo relationship. If both put a forward together into 2025 removing dual legacy items that may really help. Does it really matter if the King is no longer the head of state in NZ? Here in Canada it would not change much to be honest and I am sure its the same in Australia and New Zealand.

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

Any move to become a republic would stir up such a shit-storm on the place of the treaty that this current episode would look like a walk in the park. The agitators would merely become even more agitated.

[@bunnychowmuncher]

@@Golmov_the_Wretched Yes true but you are also taking colonialism off the table which many agitators and the woke crowd always like to lever.

[@NZ_Kiwi1010]

It is a gun reference, debbie

[@justbecause3187]

"New Zealand's only defence against corporate exploitation" is a bit of a laugh. Somehow I doubt the Maori will do anything to stop corporate exploitation of NZ so long as it in some way benefits them.

[@robertmiller2173]

You got here 250 years before my ancestors! A Kiwi is indigenous (The Bird without wings), but those who got here 250 years before the Whalers etc! A Person who uses her hand as a gesture of a pistol……?????? I am sure that most Māori would be disgusted with this, because they are bloody good people in the main.

[@MartinCameronHamiltonNZ]

Just as an adjunct to my earlier comment that the Maori Party exploits the myth of Maoridom, I add this: The Treaty was signed on behalf of the Crown by one principal (there were more than one signatory for the Crown but the signatures were in effect one) and 504 Maori Chiefs. There was no Maori race that was represented by one entity like the Crown was. Each tribe had it's view and some chose not to sign. That tribalism still remains. The head of Tainui is NOT my Queen. She is a product of a group set up by Maniapoto in the 1860's to try to amalgamate the voice of Maori in what was called the Tainui Confederation of Tribes". It didn't work then and it's not working now. Packer is like the rest of New Zealanders - she has many parts to her whakapapa and a representative of Maoridom is not one of them. She's a self-proclaimed power zealot - nothing more -nothing less.

[@poerava]

That’s ok that you feel that. Over 90% of Maori disagree with you.

[@MartinCameronHamiltonNZ]

@@poerava Excuse me! Where TF did that stat come from. Another alternative fact paraded as truth won't make it so. 99% of Maori whi I am immersed with agree with me.

[@poerava]

@@MartinCameronHamiltonNZ I’m not sure if you’re aware how much you’ve just shared how much of a bubble you live in mate. You’ve mentioned the Kingitanga movement has not been effective then and has not been effective now. Your comments suggest you do not know what the kingitanga movement actually is. Tools like you, are what increased the perpetuation of illegal land seizures in NZ. Maybe read up on King Tawhiao and his attempts to unify Maori iwi and hapu to reduce the brutal ethnic cleaning and massacre of Maori as well as the illegal land stealing. Maori traditionally do not do the ‘King’ type of social organising. The English saw this opportunity to exploit and take advantage of the ‘divide and conquer’ and illegal assertion of a non elected representative, meant that they could reduce hundreds of thousands of hectares to be owned by a few people, that they would give a few blankets and muskets and voila, they own land that had been occupied, farmed, used and ancestors buried in for hundreds of years, stolen. The Kingatitanga movement is a unifying voice to reduce the barbarism, illegal, violent and cruel actions of the crown. Tools like you, only benefited the crown. And still so. 3000 attendees from all iwi and political organisations attended the hui this year. All except NZ First and ACT. They were invited but said they were busy. How convenient. Luxon also didn’t attend. He met privately in January though. So in summary, the kingitanga movement is what was organised to protect Maori from exploitation due to the isolation and de centralised governance of maori and the exploitative actions of the crown who used their ‘king’ authoritarian structure to commit their acts of crime and violence and have their actions defended by their ‘king’. That’s all it is. All iwi attended the hui this year by the way. And to confirm, 90% of Maori support the kingitanga movement and why they exist. Your lame attempt to say that they don’t support the movement, by saying that certain Maori don’t accept the king as their king, or queen as their queen, is an ignorant and silly statement. 100% of Maori don’t accept anyone as their king or queen. They don’t function like that. No one requires that from the kingitanga movement. To say that the way Maori perceive kings or queens, in some way minimises their support for the kingitanga movement that seeks to unify the Maori voice in order to reduce harm to Maori, is reflective of your understanding on this topic.

[@AccCam]

What's this 'Atlas' thing she keeps going on about?

[@willturbot1044]

Some pretend right wing think tank like the WEF. She is obsessed with David being a part of it and seems to be hysterical about it.

[@Andrew1991taxed]

A bunch of bs mumbojumbo that has been debunked many times

[@kingkinkladze7352]

@@Andrew1991taxed Not true. Research it yourself. Seymour is linked to Atlas Network which is a right wing organisation that funnels big money into global politics including ours - through Seymour & ACT. They are very open about it

[@dandie94]

@@Andrew1991taxed don't listen to this fool - it's been denied constantly, debunked not once

[@aaronlikescoffee]

The left's version of the Qanon conspiracy. I can't believe it's getting airtime on mainstream tv, it's fucking nuts 😂

[@wonderfulworldofWoody]

Be clear Debbie, you are forming arguments that don’t exist under the treaty principles Bill. You are lying to Māori and fear mongering to your own ends and are not sharing what this bill actually means to Māori. 90% of people on the hikoi had no idea what they were actually marching for or against. They had no idea what the treaty principles bill actually said or stands for. Be truthful to your people.

[@cooperparry3675]

Was honestly expecting a more robust discussion about the fact that te Tiriti isn’t actually going anywhere but it feels like the kids gloves are on

[@rustyboyspeed]

Debbie is part Māori like most Of us why is she so obsessed with her Maori ancestry

[@Tareana777]

I suppose something Pakeha could not understand

[@Troyper-lu3jz]

​@@Tareana777I'm proud to be unburdened by culture and being expected to agree with everyone white. You people are cringe

[@DairyNZ]

​@Tareana777 Could you elaborate? I have European ancestors, and I am extremely proud of my heritage. Europe has gifted the world democracy, fundamental freedoms and the rule of law. They were the first to end slavery.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@DairyNZ Democracy was middle eastern, then greek and europe had legal slavery until the 1900's. The Islands were also democratic until Kamehameha. Last, serfs were still slaves. But keep changing history to suit your supremacist narrative.

[@DairyNZ]

@@tanepukenga1421 The same Middle East that throws gays off roof tops? Britain banned slavery in 1834, when the Slavery Abolition Act came into effect The Magna Carta was issued in June 1215 and was the first document to put into writing the principle that the king and his government was not above the law.

[@DavidM-Kiwi]

I'm surprised with myself, I didn't enter this video thinking I'd finish it. I watched the Seymour one (also good) but didn't expect this one to be objective; shame on me. Good interview Jack, I'll come back.

[@kiakaha6854]

bloody hell whats with the atlas nonsense she needs a tinfoil hat

[@angeec3311]

Its real

[@Tezcatlipokaa]

“We have extra rights, but we’re supposed to because our settlers got here and destroyed the ecosystem a little bit before yours did” she literally says it at 0:50 😂😂😂

[@LisaPoihegatama]

That's a cool story bro.

[@Tezcatlipokaa]

@ what happened to the Moa again?

[@calnik2024]

@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

I understood some of what she was saying but using Te Reo buzzwords to avoid clearly answering questions was not helpful. I guess if you know the majority won't understand what you are saying, and will be too afraid to ask what does "pono and tika" mean, then you can get away with it, sounds fishy to me. They both mean true and correct. So that does in no way answers the question.

[@philburkett1750]

Corporate exploitation is what Act and Seymour as part of the Atlas Network are about. Mãori and Te Tiriti at this point in time stand in their way.

[@zenRichard]

What is your evidence for this? If this assertion were real, would only Mãori be able to "stand in their way"?

[@AholeAtheist]

@@zenRichard Check ACT's political compass position. That's all you need to know.

[@TamatiThomas]

We have really different rights,all over the world, rights for all different people depends on what part of the world your from.