Retro Test 3 - Mack Superliner V8 | Time Machine

[@johncoleman1447]

Love the sound of a big V8 Mack.

[@edwardomane4215]

ESPECTACULAR EL SONIDO DEL TURBO

[@jimherman859]

I'm in the U.S. and I WANT MY SUPERLINERS AND MY R MODELS BACK RIGHT EFFIN NOW.

[@deeremeyer1749]

"Junkyards" are full of them so you must not be looking too hard, Super Trucker. And I seriously doubt you've spent any "quality time" in either, especially "R models" if you want them "back" right now.

[@deeremeyer1749]

Molded-in headlight "buckets" in the "glass fibre" hood and DAYTON wheels. Boy was/is that "super" truck the "top of the line".

[@JensSchraeder]

My dad had an 85 with 500 E9 in it. What a beautiful truck it was.

[@weldthatiron3683]

There loving New Zealand they aint comn back

[@Fulcrum4747]

Agreed, they need to come back with an old school model with none of the computerized bs guarantee that truck would not be abel to be kept in any lot they would sell out fast.

[@TozziWelding]

When the new trucks are in the shop with electronic issues, a plugged DPF, or just plain worn out that old Supermutt will still be working.

[@frankelsner1294]

New Zealand and Australia are the land of good old V8 Mack Trucks! Thank you so much! I love it❣

[@JackSmith-x8s]

Drove one in the late 80's. Loved it! E9 400 w/ 12 spd splitter. It would walk all over a cummins big cam 400.

[@tkx86]

I was born Dec 1986 but this is the era I wish I drove in. Man oh Man! What an absolute beauty.

[@ezcoreg759]

The car behind not passing because of the beautiful music coming out of the pipes

[@jimbenline6325]

SUPER DAWG !! Mack E9 V8 superliner. Remember them well. Loved the sound of the E9 Engine.

[@tad1111]

Cool!! Thanks guys, I really miss hearing and seeing those V8 Macks on the highway. Trucks today are more like cars than trucks.

[@theposerhoser]

My diesel mechanic buddy has convinced me all modern trucks are built like shit. Won't touch em.

[@theposerhoser]

I want a superliner more than any other truck

[@Habeev07]

Back in the early 00's up here in the pacificNW, my friends family owned a log truck business and the the grandfather owned an 80's (wanna say it was an 83') Superliner with the detroit v8 that was turned up to 900 hp. That rig was badass and had silver paint with blue and pink pin striping if I remember, and those twin stacks with the tips turned out were always rolling coal. The truck was kinda a local legend among the logging community up there.

[@martinmath8140]

UNBESCHREIBLICH dafür brauchts keine Worte GIGANTISCH!!!!!!!!!

[@pointingdog7235]

My first love was a 72 R Model. He did a great job with This Super Dog. Beautiful.

[@Retired88M]

Music to my ears I wish I was still driving the last superliner I drove back in the 90’s 92’ with the E-9 with the Williams air throttle with the pressure turned up putting 690horses on the ground Loved that truck

[@nedtata4895]

Absolutely love this thing, thanks for the video, definitely bring back memories of travelling along side the old man in his truck as a young fella.

[@brainrapist3540]

Same brother I'm 35 an grew up riding with the ol man in a v8 superliner. You never loose the love for them

[@matty6848]

Same here. I used to love going to work with my dad driving his truck. Oh those were the days. Just me and the old man roaring up the roads!

[@raywilson800]

Your friend in the flip flops looks like the "new breed" of American truck drivers. You and your friend are both great drivers and your funny together too!

[@timeistooshort2933]

You buggers are hilarious 🤣...nice one mate...yip it's alive 🤣😂

[@michaelwheatley3873]

Retired now but remember some distinctive sounding engines in past years-Mack and Cat V8s, 2-stroke Detroits-V12 sounds better than the V8 IMHO, and older big cam Cummins, which happens to be the only older engine I’ve driven. My last ride had a DD15 which got the job done, but there was always a check engine light on; made sure it had DEF and changed the filter regularly, the local Freightliner dealer couldn’t figure it out! Computers are great for making truck videos, not tuning truck engines.😜Thanks for sharing the sight and sound of a classic!

[@hootizzz]

love the down changes on the Dynatard at 24:55 awesome job, well done

[@billmcdonald0256]

Nice Ride along Lads..That was a treat..Christmas 1997 I did a roadtrip of Newzealand North & South Islands 🏝 ..Lovely to see your country again from the Driver seat.Christchurch.Wellington Auckland Trolleybuses 🚎 Mountcook 🏔🚁 Pancake Rocks.Melford Sound .You don't put Catsup on Meat Pie..Those newer MACKs work hard here in Northern Alberta & NWT Iceroads in to minds 🇨🇦 Thankyou Lads & the Fokes puting this video 📹 together..GodBless..Jan.27.2024

[@gideonstrydom8242]

I just stumbled upon your channel, and so glad I did. I loved trucks since my very first memory, and have been driving since I was only 9yrs old. Turning 56 in less than a month, and still driving! This was exceptionally satisfying to watch. Especially since we never had Superliners, and for that matter Mack V8's, over here in South Africa. Thank you so much. I believe you'll have another regular spectator here in future. Keep up the good work. Take care, cheers!! PS: I'm still wearing Canterbury shorts every day. Just not feeling comfortable in anything else.

[@jimherman859]

THANKS MARK AND THE BOYS , KEEP ON TRUCKIN.

[@pouchie86]

Wow this Mack is running great and i don't see a lot of black smoke

[@eddieweigel9490]

That E9 SUPER DOG is barking what a beautiful dog

[@joshjones3408]

The frist time I heard a air start was on the road worrier....Iv loved that sound every sence....

[@erickjasper9409]

That Mack runs PERFECT

[@reineriomartinez9539]

Nice to see people appreciate and love these mack truck i learn to drive in r model model and i love theme

[@TheDarkFalcon]

4:03 is a perfect summary of kiwi roads 😅

[@rogerdominguez15]

Man that truck is nice! Greetings from the lone star state.

[@davidwyatt3188]

What a lovely noise, V8 perfection, another great video, looking forward to a Foden being put through its paces.

[@cummins4416]

Foden yes definitely 👍

[@raywilson800]

I had an F-Model Mack in the '70's with a 325hp. V-8 and would run like a raped ape. Though it wouldn't out pull a Cat of equal hp. it would hang with the rest pretty good......but, here's the catch. If I told another driver my truck has a V-8 Mack in it they would and slap their knee and ask, "what are you doing with a barge anchor under the cab"? Now everybody loves them.

[@bradstephens4268]

sound not noise , music for the soul

[@karldoughty7981]

Just love the sound of an E9 working with a nice load on some bloody good filming to guys great work go the mighty mack

[@georgecole1173]

Mack Super Liner one of two most handsome trucks ever built

[@NZTruckingMag]

What’s the other?

[@logical_volcel]

thats some of the best audio of a mack ive ever heard, fanatstic recording

[@NZTruckingMag]

She sings a good song!

[@pagey007]

Epic truck ,, Superb footage ... Love that e9 :-) ,, Even an NZ release of the "MiniMe" take off lol..

[@MrLs1kid]

Whoa 😮, E9 V8 Mack Superliner, one true beauty of a unit. Totally awesome video definitely made my day. Surprised I didn't see the video earlier, until now. Love the re-enactment of the air start-ups. Unit sounds and looks sharp as always Mr Amer 👍. Keep up the good work New Zealand Trucking Magazine.

[@joshuajuarez3471]

We need the Mack attack back!

[@mariatomlinson-nott2678]

Awesome video lads. What a truck. Superliner with a thumping V8. Can’t get any better sound than a V8 working away doing what it supposed to be doing. Also well done you two lads fronting the video for the Retro test dress in the day. Today’s PPE dressing style has changed a lot, but for this particular occasion one would think you would be definitely feel out of date especially the ole cut off jean shorts and the Canterbury shorts yea not so much and the jandals and slip on boots well it just looks the classic kiwi trucker. Outstanding. Great video lads. 10 out of 10.

[@frankbing1]

Great video, watching this made me feel they should make another Duel movie.

[@truckguy9285]

Well done guys. Bring on the next one 👌

[@eddieweigel9490]

New to the channel guys I love it makes me wanna move there to the land of old Bull Dog Mack’s keep the videos coming

[@nkimandi]

the growl as it chews up the hill..suuweeet!

[@stefankassbohrer2765]

Bulldog Mack with a Flat on back and a Jaguar haulin' ass ... almost :-) Great Truck, a real Beast ! Greetings from south Germany

[@Wedget]

Wow, back in the days when the Bulldog breed set the benchmark for how a real truck was made, sadly that benchmark slipped away and the breed hasn't been able to keep it happening, bloody awesome video fellas.

[@deeremeyer1749]

A "benchmark" that NOBODY ELSE RECOGNIZED. And by the way, Macks that are "all Mack" from the factory have been very "rare" for decades. And that "Superliner" is a piss-poor KW W900A/Pete 359 "clone" as far as its "styling cues".

[@Wedget]

@@deeremeyer1749 , back in the day( very early 80's) the Superliner could of been ordered as damn near 100% Mack or ordered with different running gear, engines etc,etc, maybe similarities with the bonnet compared to other manufacturers but definately original Mack design thru and thru, sorry my bro but that is the way it is😅🤣And for the record I reckon KW's etc are bloody awesome as well

[@Wedget]

​@@deeremeyer1749😂😂 totally respect your comment mate, each to their own opinion🤣

[@crazymixture57]

I'm a fan of the Maxidynes even if they are 6 cylinders, but you just cannot beat the sound of a Mack V8 in a Superliner!

[@rossawood5075]

Many years ago I was driving an E9 Mack 12 speed with straight thru pipes driving wheat seasons in western NSW, the truck could be heard coming 3 klm out of town and the change over driver would have a hot coffee on the table before it pulled up. Nothing short of a 12 cylinder GM sounds as good, well OK maybe a Scania V8? There were many E9 Superliners running wheat and cotton in their day and still a few out here during harvests. Hoewever times have changed and long distances here require greater fuel efficiency given the price of diesel now. Great video of a classic Mack.

[@NZTruckingMag]

Special machines, eh? A bygone era indeed...

[@iroam8825]

My Dad an uncles drove for Freightways Heavy Haulage in AKL in the 80's an 90's uncle drove a r series Mack low loader the other uncle drove a S liner Mack just like that one but Orange man took me back,good times,Keep on Trucking!!

[@NZTruckingMag]

Thanks for sharing!

[@billyadams8906]

Bloody awesome truck and video thanks guys

[@NZTruckingMag]

Glad you enjoyed it Billy! Thanks for watching

[@markharv9848]

Absolute rip snorter fellas, top job as always! Love the kit out keep it up!

[@bh2861]

Mark Harvey!!!! Long time mate, how you been?

[@HonJazzz]

Great scenery and road!

[@Hitman-ds1ei]

Funny to see one without a bullbar to appreciate the good lines it has, I know its probably sacrilege but I would like to restomod one with a modern Scania V8 so it has modern bigger HP and fuel consumption but still sound right as an everyday work horse ( E9 stuff expensive to be wearing out too)

[@toddbankes445]

Aaah....if only it was left hand drive, n here in the state's n my drive way. That would be heaven.

[@eddieweigel9490]

That E9 must have sounded fantastic going through that tunnel

[@BobcatHunter522]

Best sounding truck to date i think🤙🏻

[@weldthatiron3683]

Needed more engine braking in the vid You guys are classics I guess that made up for the lack of engine braking

[@AnthonyGreener-l6u]

But what a show !

[@gm16v149]

This just came into my feed, so glad it did! Great video. There’s still a few E9s running around in Oz, not like they used to though. I wonder if the owner has got the Mack low oil/low air bell, sounded like a door bell as soon as you turned the key. And the Williams air throttle. The E9 V8 Superliner I drove once had a 12 speed Mack transmission where the reverse was an air shift, very easy when you are backing. By the way, plenty of Kiwis over here, if they all left at once the trucking and mining industry would grind to a halt quick smart!

[@ianmilne655]

Guys I would have to say that this is.... simply the best vid of the Mack Superliner. Nice one👍

[@NZTruckingMag]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! 👍🏻

[@ianmilne655]

@@NZTruckingMag thoroughly enjoyed it, in fact most of my train depot are watching it too, that climb out in the first section was fab, as was the 'John Kelly'👍 Those white knees need changing though😲😲

[@NZTruckingMag]

@@ianmilne655 awesome thanks for sharing it around! Regarding the knees... 🤣🤣

[@pointingdog7235]

Nice Super Puppy. I remember back in the late 70's I used to see a man in Upstate NY with a R-700 pulling a milk tanker which always caught my eye since my Father and I had a friend who pulled chemicals out of North Jersey and his first tractor when he made the move to an Owner/Operator in 76 was a 72 R-600. I used to help him weekends with maintenance, washing/ waxing etc. I felt like it was part mine. Then the summer of 83 he started to make longer runs and needed a more comfortable cab and a sleeper, so he traded for a new Binder. But I still remember the Fall 1981 issue of Road King was the first time I saw a picture of a Mack Super Puppy and always liked them. Thanks again for the video I enjoyed seeing your Mack still on the road and being used as she was intended.

[@deanhollingsworth7938]

Great video and spotto on the gt40 / cobra at 23:40

[@NZTruckingMag]

Eagle-eye spotting there! Nice 👍🏻

[@paulgriffiths8359]

Fantastic stuff lads, must get old R model over to NZ for a look around one day

[@kizerbread]

She's the last of the V8's! pure nitro!

[@wolfgangkobusch4955]

In Germany i drive a Mack Superliner.Greetings from Germany

[@AugustoMedia]

Awesome video guys! Bring on the end of Covid so you can bring on episode 4!! Any hints on what the next retro could be?

[@NZTruckingMag]

Leon Kirkbeck that would be telling... 😜

[@h8evil685]

The Boys thrashing 0L Blue like she was a Old ERF Street Kid... Classic...

[@cummins4416]

Another good video thank you ,any chance of a Foden test ?

[@jackjames1543]

Content done right 👌

[@NZTruckingMag]

Glad you like it! 👍🏻

[@javadgholami7861]

واقعا تحت تاثیر قرار گرفتم، ماک سوپرلاینر بی نظیری است ماک سلطان جاده 💪💪💪💪💪💪

[@68peterbilt68]

Mack 500 V8, Mack 18 overdrive, 3.3 diffs. Point it ,squirt it, hang on. 🤟😎👍

[@eriknybo4532]

Mack really needs to go back to the drawing board and bring this engine and style into the new mack anthems

[@davidkirkham6929]

Nowt like the sound of a V8 engine under load !!

[@cathyyates1226]

Awesome video and I love it and I also love trucks ❤

[@wazza33racer]

When I first got my V8 Superliner, it had already done 1.5 million kms, and drank 20 liters of oil per day.

[@NZTruckingMag]

🤣

[@T_Schnydz]

Nothing like a thumper

[@terrycormier5492]

really nice clatter of the v power

[@ericlakota6512]

Realy like those old superliners look at the power climbing that hill 12spd

[@joecummings1260]

These Mack V8s always ran strong, but back when they first came in the 60s, and through the 70s they were unreliable. They had such a bad reputation that on the used market they sold for a lot less than endt 675 and 676 powered trucks. I'll bet that I did at least 25 or 30 swaps to repower them with something else in the late seventies and 1980s. The guy I bought my garage building off of had one in a dm800 that gave him so many problems well still under warranty Mac put a 3408 caterpillar in it. I believe LaTona rigging up in North Jersey owns the truck now, supposedly it's all restored and pretty

[@JackSmith-x8s]

The E9 block is alive and well today in the 730 hp Scania.

[@Yodatrucker2804]

Haha awesome vid guys!! Keep them up!!

[@macknit3125]

Cool vid there truckers👌👍😎

[@jeremyryan1848]

I love old australia mack truck

[@NancyTaylor-s5z]

She is a beautiful Mack❤ I was raised in 2:18 Macks, from the B-61s to the Superline ❤ Dad had a hauling and road building business. We always were working George M King Contractors. This is messy sorry.

[@МедведьКопатыч-х8н]

Отличный фильм, Мack supertruck

[@billforeman3176]

Thumpin up the mountainside

[@eddieweigel9490]

In the states that Mack is a Titan I don’t know what the hell happened to Mack well I do know Volvo is ruining My beloved Mack trucks we don’t have the Titan no more they should have not stopped production of theTitan in the 1950s 60s 70s 80s Mack had a fantastic lineup The LJ B F R the tin nose RD DM MR now they have a hand full in there lineup it breaks my heart as a very very huge fan of the Bull Dog Mack’s God Bless you guys over there for saving these iconic Mack trucks thank you

[@hermannharth6060]

Super Truck, Super Video

[@IamIzaak]

26:25 spoke too soon there dave hahaha

[@NZTruckingMag]

🤣🤣

[@joshuajuarez3471]

We need the Mack attack back! Show the motor

[@AnthonyGreener-l6u]

American made !! The old days are all gone now !!!!!

[@bryanlarocque7627]

V8 mack sound!

[@lumbered8299]

OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!! Yea!

[@jbryanlegarcon31]

4life never dies riggin

[@darrenking3187]

Is that Bully Point, it’s been a few years now..

[@B81Mack]

I think a lot of bicycle riders needed to change their shorts that day... 🤔

[@lesthiele4921]

Hi guys I have just come across your channel and really enjoyed what I have seen. Have you done a road test on the RL Bedford yet? That is what I got my licence in wzy back in 1974, while doing my TV trying in Burnham, keep safe and well, best regards from a Christchurch lad living in Melbourne

[@NZTruckingMag]

Hi Les, thanks for making contact, glad you’re enjoying the content. No RL or S Bedfords yet unfortunately. But you might have seen the TK retro test? Check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHeXqnShbp5orJY

[@johnmoore1949]

Yeah! Yep! Yeah yeah! Yeah! Yeah!😂

[@joshjones3408]

It's a shame it's not June... there pig pin....but if I was a suicide Jocky this Mack right here is would id use ....or halling logs.... cause the Jimmy can just stay halling hogs... An wouldn't dear put a ref on the back of that Mack... cause if my mack looked as good as this one ... she'd never see no gate an may be ever once in a while she'd see 98...👍👍👍👍👍 great tuck guy's

[@benvlassoff6378]

Need a retro Detroit test!

[@eddieweigel9490]

Those Mack dynatard engine brakes where very sensitive wow

[@lissethmartinez8744]

Saludos desde nicaragua amigos 👍🏼

[@Turbo45]

Awesome. from Canada.

[@gilbertomoreira7019]

Esse Mack é uma bela máquina

[@deanmckee1385]

Beautiful truck, sounds awesome! What is the advantage to an air starter? Think you may find that cab on a Brockway too , I wish Jake would have made an engine brake for the V8, did you have both manual pump engine, and electronic engine, never saw an electronic V8 in an American Mack, we had 500 hp, electronic was 610 hp? Stay safe guys,

[@NZTruckingMag]

Hey Dean, so the air start's main advantage is that it allows you to start the truck if the battery's flat - you could always charge the starter off a tyre. The cab on a Brockway, yes you do. Yep, we had the 610 👍🏻

[@deeremeyer1749]

@@NZTruckingMag Of course a battery that "flat" isn't going to excite the alternator or power on an electric fuel shutoff IF it even powers the air "dump" solenoid to "power" the starter and tire valve stem Shrader valves work damned poorly in "reverse" and contrary to the hilarious conventional wisdom that one 100 psi tire gets your starter air reservoir to "50 psi", another gets it to "75 psi", another to "87.5 psi" etc, you will never get the air "pressure" to proper starting level of 120 psi using that ridiculous "tap a tire" method of "jump starting" an air-start truck with "flat" batteries. And of course tire air "pressure", lacking an AIR DRYER in the supply side, introduces a whole shitload of cold, moist air into the "supply line" beginning at the Shrader valves where the "venturi effect" quickly "ices" them up further slowing if not stopping altogether any "jump starting". Anybody with a clue with "flat" batteries and/or empty air starting looking to "jump start" the truck on a "cold morning" and NOT smart enough to use a second running truck and its "gladhands" and AIR SYSTEM to "jump" it OR a "tire tapper" would be screwed no matter what if they weren't smart enough to use a FRACTION as much air "pressure" and TIME to "charge" the brake air reservoir(s) at 60ish psi vs. 120, release the parking brake and "roll start" the "dead" truck on a "cold morning" to make sure it WILL "fire" before ending up with a "dead" engine and a shitload of FLAT TIRES and really being "dead in the water" unable to "jump start" the POS using any "bush" method.

[@deeremeyer1749]

610 HP? ROFLMAO. Yeah. Mack had/has its own special way to measure "hp" and ultimately since it's TORQUE THAT TURNS THE TIRES and "horsepower" is a function of TORQUE and SPEED with SPEED being a "horsepower multiplier", a "610 hp" Mack V8 with a "high idle" and "rated speed" several hundred RPM faster than a "comparable" Caterpillar or Detroit or "electronic" Cummins (to a lesser extent) with the same "hp" - if there were such a thing "factory stock" - is not going to "outpower" the "competition" unless it's at some ridiculously high engine and truck speed legal only on interstate highways and it will fall on its face "lugging" side by side with far less "powerful" Cats and Detroits and to a lesser extent Cummins engines with a lot "less horsepower" but that make their rated hp at a realistic and sustainable and attainable engine speed. You'll also have to shitcan the V8 Mack, go with the "lowly" 6-cylinder engine and put a RoadRanger trans behind it to really "pull" with the "competition" and below "freeway speeds" a "small-block" 3176 or C11 Cat or 10.7 Detroit or to a lesser extent an M11 Cummins is going to eat the Bulldog's breakfast. Don't see many Macks on "freeways" for a reason. Their engine technology is "mechanical" era even when "electronic" and their "electronics" are "analog" and "electronic" governors on mechanical injection pumps only. Pre-"emissions" level "high tech" at best. Their propaganda sucks, too. Calling a 5-speed transmission with a 2-range "back box" with a "reverser" in the "back box" as well a "12-speed". Lol. Sure. It's a "12-speed" if you count "Neutral" and "Reverse" or Reverse "twice" even though you can't "split" Reverse. Macktards call it a "glorified Super 10" because they're...Macktards. Both Super 10s and 10-speeds are "13-speeds" if you count "L" and Reverse and "split" it. No way to actually get more than 11 out of a "12-speed" MaxiTorque. I suppose "neutral" counts in a Mack because you have to select it on the "splitter" and put the trans in "1" to operate PTOs. So it's "PTO speed". That makes "11 speeds". Reverse makes "12 speeds". And they call that a "heavy-duty" and "off-highway" transmission. With no way to "split" Reverse and get "Low Reverse" even though every "gear jammer" with half a brain in his head and half a day driving "off highway" and "starting out" in trucks loaded "in situ" on soft soil knows the BEST way to "move forward" without fucking things up powertrainwise is to FIRST go BACKWARD. Pushing a load is ALWAYS easier than pulling and backing up the tractor's "drivers" are PUSHING rather than PULLING the loaded trailer AND even the "box" on a straight truck given that the front "driver" with the power divider always "feels" maximum powertrain torque and is better equipped and constructed and positioned in the "powerflow" to "push" the majority of the "tandem" load. "Heavy-duty" Macks are so "rare" when you really get "off-highway" in the "modern era" they look "common" on-highway and THERE Western Stars easily outnumber them. And of course Mack "partnered" with Caterpillar on an all-Cat all-ELECTRONIC powertrain in its "Granite" vocational "off-highway" trucks. But by then Mack's "off-highway" reputation was beyond even Caterpillar's ability to salvage it.

[@deeremeyer1749]

No, you won't or at least shouldn't find a "Superliner" cab "on a Brockway too" since "Superliners" were SUPPOSED to be Brockway "models" but Brockway went tits up and Mack "inherited" the Superliner "model" as a result. Although given how "rare" real Superliners were and are "back in the day" in the good old USA where ALL the REAL ones were produced while "today" every other "post-R model" Mack you come across online "overseas" is a "Superliner" and supposedly "original" even when LAUGHABLY equipped with DAYTON instead of BUDD wheels on an "OTR" and supposedly "modern" truck, that same "Superliner" cab probably was/is on LOTS of "Brockways too". There is so much complete bullshit and mythology out there about Mack's it isn't even funny. Everything from gold Bulldogs ONLY being on "all Mack" trucks - Mack engine, trans and axles - even though it's on Macks with Mack engines and Eaton RoadRanger transmissions with Eaton axles to "Superliner" being a "model" and "all Mack" and the "ultimate off-highway trucks" and "high horsepower" rather than just a "trim level" and Mack's doomed attempt to go "OTR" with a "Class 8" semi tractor with a "full-width" passenger/team driver-friendly cab and "high horsepower" but "medium torque" at best. Cheap, cheese-dick KW W900A/Pete 358 "clones" at best if you're blind and stupid and when Paccar got Caterpillar to "modernize" the 1693 into the 3406 and "OTRize" the 3408 the "Superliner" and its "500-525 hp" V8s were freaking doomed. At least in the one and only real "competitive" and "free" market for OTR and "off highway" trucks in the world. They got only air-start Macks "down under" because any and all batteries would be "flat" on "new" trucks upon arrival "down under" months and months after being "transported" and who knows how many "cold starts" and minutes at most of run time "in transport" from factory to customs to port to port to customs to "importer". Not to mention terminal/cable/starter corrosion from "salt air". And "pilferage" once "down under" where 99% of the "citizens" are descended from convicts, after all. Air start also eliminates series-parallel switches and other electrical system "antiquities" necessary to get 6-volt and 12-volt and 24-volt "electrics" to peacefully co-exist when a manufacturer and/or importer "cut costs" by mixing and NOT matching components, systems etc from various "suppliers".