Oakwynd TLP Exploit - Did the Server Die? The Aftermath

A trade depot exploit, a destroyed economy, and a dwindling population, is this the end of Oakwynd? Updated statistics from the Aftermath.
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[@lordcorgi6481]

I quit the day after the exploit started. It wasn't so much the exploit, but the lack of response. I always figured I'd come back if they actually did something to fix the economy, but it seems like DBG is fine with it being in complete ruin. Also WoW Classic Season of Discovery started and I've just been playing that instead.

[@roemer024]

I quit on release of Velious and just waiting for PoP to play again - I think there's a solid chunk of players like me that said 'hell naw' to the faction/non-PoK grind of velious/luclin :) I'm certainly frustrated at Daybreak Games for lack of staff/care about the game health.. However, I'm significantly more pissed that there's SO many players in this (already small) community that feel driven to find cheats, bugs, manips, etc... The old saying, 'this is why we cant have nice things' really resonates with this community, because a handful of degenerates want the server imploding

[@chanelMacTruck]

The irony of all the angry people versus those who actually want to make this a fun place is exhausting.

[@bengtmller9666]

Well here is my 10$ (sorry if it is long and not perfect, I am writing this at 0630 AM). I did play Wow for a decent amount of time, raided. If SOE just upgraded the gfx, made lvling a bit less tolerable, better GUI, some new stuff of course, I think most people playing everquest would never have left the game. Instead they made something that wasn't really everquest nor WoW, and I don't mean that in any good way at all. People who where tired of the grind in EQ (luclin, pop, etc), tried everquest 2 and went meh, then myself was so tired of the insane grind in EQ, that I tried WoW and didn't come back to EQ about 6 months ago. They actually destroyed their own player base by not listening on what we wanted EQ2 to be. I think they got greedy, thinking we will milk the ones sticking to EQ and the ones that go to EQ2, and adding tons more subs to at least EQ 2, so they would have like maybe 1.2 mill subs, that worked out great didn't it 🤣. To this day I do not understand why they didn't do a like say 70% "known" content with new quests, etc, then the last 30%, or so would be new content and differentiate from old EQ. One last thing, did they ever really get tons of EQ players into early alpha and upwards? I can't remember that they did get tons of feedback from people playing EQ and people looking to maybe really enhance the EQ2 experience. I might be wrong but I can't remember them doing huge alpha, beta testing, and asking is it this you want EQ2 to become? Wow would have been huge anyway, but with a much better gfx and in general a lot better EQ2 game, I don't see a lot of people leaving EQ or EQ2 to play WoW. What I think that might have happened is that a really great EQ2 game, being superior to WoW, would keep its core gamers and being great, a lot of WoW players might actually have bleed over to EQ2, making perhaps a few million subs at least. It seems like they have learned from it and if EQ3 is going to be made, they say that about 80% of the core mechanics will be "the same", 20%, being new. I highly suggest that they take a ton of alpha and beta testers very early in the game all the way close to release, so they won't do another EQ2 mishap. One thing is for sure, they need to dump the legacy stuff, totally new, intuitive GUI, and of course do minimum unreal 5 or maybe even a higher iteration of it as it develops. What they want to do though is make Everquest 3, as revolutionary as when EQ launched. I have never been physically afraid in a game ever, Wow didn't even come close. They need to use AI, in a cool way, maybe in a evolutionary way, that zones, gruop raids, 12, 24, 48 man raids or whatever content will learn eventually from players doing certain tactics to mobs, this may "spark" a mob(s) to change tactics, even "learn" them to other creatures in the an open world or zone(depending on what we get). This way a whole zone with certain mobs might band together even to fight off players who are just have been killing them left and right (machine learning code that evolve). I think in this way you would not even need pvp, because the challenge of evolving mobs would make them much closer to "bots" with an edge, always challenging players, no matter how "old" the zone would be. Very sorry for this rant, but I don't want EQ to die, and if it does, it would be to a revolutionary game in the MMORPG genre, once again making headlines, aka EQ3. With all the clones of clones WoW, and other meh MMORPG games out there screaming for something new, it might be the new Sheriff in town. There are tons of other stuff I could have mentioned, but I also just wanted to weigh in on the TLP servers needing to be changed much more, better loot, free trade, maybe make luclin, PoP etc a remake, just streamlined, less grinding aka a bit lesser xp progression (maybe a hybrid between TLP and live), let people multiboxing if they want, maybe restrict it to max 6 players, but do this part at a later stage of the game. They could even make it a bit like WoW's SOD, just make some new content, or add a twist to it. I mean in stead of the Persona's feature, why not add different advancement Trees or something like in WoW (just make it much better). If they don't add in it EQ, it's just feature they could do maybe in EQ3. Instead of having the AA Advancement, they could make it so you could "lvl" up different "AA" trees of skills and different builds. Even add a race advancement as well or call it general and put passives that aren't tied to the class specifically. I am sorry if I am going to off topic, they need to make changes that matter in EQ, both to TLP and Live servers, but I have feeling that they are just going to milk this cow until they can get EQ3 released. I am just saying again, don't do a EQ2 again, meaning do new things like advancement trees instead of a ton of AA's, but most importantly, listen to your player base, if you use the resources that all players that play everquest and have played it(and all the other RPGMMO's up to now) , it would be a very wise thing to do, very early in the development of a possible EQ3. They have probably played not only EQ3, but tons of CRPG games as well, seeing how BG3 have kind of made a small revolution in that genre (won about all the prices they could win). Being that I still play dungeons and dragons 5th edtion (play all editions except maybe 1st), also take inspiration from that and other pen and paper role-playing games. EQ was heavily influenced by AD&D 1st and 2nd edition. The thing Is that I seen interviews with devs from EQ, saying that Wizards of the coast developer's saying that they played EQ a lot, and they took elements from it and and that became 3rd edtion of Dungeons and Dragons. They need to of course have the core game feel like you are playing EQ, but get the community in on what they would like to see in EQ3 early on, get inspired by what I mentioned above. BG3, revolutionised the CRPG genre, try to revolutionise the MMORPG genre again, there is a huge player base that is just waiting to see something like we did, when EQ first came out. There will probably get released games that might be good and siphon off more and more EQ players if they don't officially 100% announce EQ 3, and get started developing it (I think they will lock in at least the player base that they have now, maybe even increase it, add that they also do needed upgrades as well to EQ while it's being developed). I do think it's a great year to announce it, since it's both EQ's 25th anniversary and EQ2's 20th anniversary. ×Rant off*

[@Marauding_Llama]

The exploit ruined my enjoyment on Oakwynd but the response is what drove me to cancel my sub and just leave the game. They didn't seem to care at all. I was looking forward to what the 25th Anniversary TLP would be but at this point I doubt anything they come up with would bring me back.

[@STGinc719]

I moved on. The response was entirely too slow, and it just doesnt give me hope for the future. I wil move to the next TLP if it has a decent ruleset, but if not; I got other games that respect my money and time. Edit: matter of fact, I'm logged on WoW Season of Discovery and enjoying myself.

[@vanman2099]

I have been tempted to load wow back up that’s cool that you did

[@travisrameysadler9924]

less than 10 paladins doesn't sound right? sounds pretty right to me... I never see more than 3

[@Tokindisflower]

I mean I made 5 Kronos and about a million. None of it touched. Just from handouts from Shaoling and his alts

[@aanlran]

Waiting for next server TLP and hoping it’s a replacement for mischief. Now I’m just getting my groups ready and perfecting leveling paths for 1to50 for next launch. Running around in planes to get used to them. Plans of air quests. Etc.. so playing on free servers to just test on with

[@vanman2099]

I'm still confused why they don't have another Mischief yet with improvements.

[@Tokindisflower]

Let my 4 accounts just die off no subs. I've got one that's active till the first of January but I'm letting it run out too. I know of multiple people with 30+ Kronos, and hundreds of millions across alts. None of it was touched.

[@jsmitty0073]

I kno for a fact we were few people in are guild but also the luclin grind is real lol I been doing some SOD till pop

[@skiidzman]

quit as well, fk all that noise and the devs

[@IBioPoxI]

Yes I'll probably play the new TLP as it's the 25th anniversary, but after that think I'll let the game rest.

[@WatsonThePug69]

Yea same I quit after the exploit and I’m not even sure I’ll play the 25th. EverQuest was an integral part of my life but I think our time is at an end.

[@nfefx]

This response right here, is why DBG doesn't give a shit about fixing anything.

[@corybeard3426]

I only log in for raids

[@Edward-gl2yi]

Hi Tom. Do you play on FV when you play?

[@vanman2099]

No I don’t play on live mainly a tlper I have some chars on mischief and oakwynd but fv is where I’d play if I did

[@novyxl9672]

I play on Agnarr it's locked at LDoN era very fun very small community loads of good people

[@yerpyerp]

Looks up from Playing Quarm and Monsters and Memories... Huh? What? Hrmmm... Puts head back in Quarm. Hmm Soft...warm...fuzzy.

[@vanman2099]

hah!

[@kirksneckchop7873]

The source quotation is: "The impact on the Oakwynd economy was roughly 2.2% of Oakwynd's economic availability pre-removal." I'm not familiar with the term "economic availability," but all I could find in economics literature were niche references to a "cost-quantity relationship." It's clear that DBG did not focus solely on Krono pricing to produce their numbers, so without details of their methods we can't really evaluate their claims.

[@vanman2099]

True, I just use Kronos as a metric since it’s universal and has real cash value but whatever metric that is there’s a lot of mad people still lol

[@casrogue]

How can quarm and p99 guys can catch exploits faster than live lol //

[@vanman2099]

Those private servers are usually heavily moderated due to how bad live was. They probably have more GMs than live does looking for that stuff because private servers have more to lose than the live game does, once your reputation is shot it's probably hard to get back.

[@drshlotzkin]

Thinking quarm or next TLP. Not renewing subs... the exploit may not be the sole reason but it definitely didnt help. Cant do WoW again.

[@xdabus]

Canceled my sub, wont be back

[@archon5951]

1st lets talk about the math, If you dont know the formula, prob should figure it out. 2nd lets talk about the Info you are Deciding to use instead of the info givin lol. The info givin is for ALL SERVER ECONOMY meaning EVERY SERVER COMBINED. you are doing your calculations on OAKWIND Currency. Kronos are not a Server Locked Item, therefore you can take krono somewhere else and Sell it for more. and BTW I'm only at 1:23 in the vid lol. Would love to know redbot and sik's thoughts on this vid lol You also miss the point where 3076 goes to 1237. why was that? Quarm was released.

[@vanman2099]

Did you make it through the entire thing? If you've followed along or finished even that video, I think a lot of your questions would have been answered.

[@archon5951]

@@vanman2099 I did complete the video and no he only address and concern yourself with oakwind Econ

[@vanman2099]

True statement, that's all I covered in this video, don't know about much else for sure@@archon5951

[@archon5951]

@@vanman2099 normally I greet players starting off with. Greetings Adventurer, Guide ********* here. How may I assist you today. :)

[@chanelMacTruck]

The guy lost me when he couldn’t spell the word “given.”

[@thereal-ghost]

you're comparing the wrong values, most of which you do not have access to. Making an assumption based on a small valuation of data instead of the entire data set makes this invalid from the start. It's all "feeling" and not "facts". Once you remove the upset and drama from the valuation it lines up with the %s provided by them.

[@vanman2099]

Only looking at the impact of pricing in the economy, that's fine if a 10x increase in pricing is only .22% increase the way they explained it.

[@chanelMacTruck]

This post feels more like someone yucking someone’s yum about the server economy. I think any player has access to bazaar prices, and he’s explained how he gets player numbers at the given times he gets them in previous videos.

[@pierrelapiou1097]

People talking here left. "Positive Disposition" guild is like all raiding guild : having ton of fun.

[@MatthewB-Kornafel-xv6oi]

We on SoD man, you alone here. Come on over , lots of room on servers. You can drop this shit game, it’s ok bruh