Obi-Wan Movie: Will It Still Happen? - Jedi Council

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On today’s Collider Jedi Council, Ken Napzok, and Perri Nemiroff discuss the following:
1. THR reports that according to Del Rey’s released timeline of the Star Wars books, ‘Solo: A Star Wars Story’ will be occurring before ‘Star Wars Rebels’ and ‘Rogue One: A Star Wars Story’.
2. Joel Edgerton says “Uncle Owen” could totally come back in an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie and that he’s down to do it.
3. A new international trailer and movie poster was released for ‘Solo: A Star Wars Story’.
4. Mark Hamill to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on March 8th.
5. Two new ILM visual effects reels from ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ revealed.
6. ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ is the first Star Wars film to NOT use the Wilhelm Scream.
7. Star Wars Rebels Review- “Wolves And A Door” and “A World Between Worlds”.
8. Star Wars Rebels trailer for the series finale was released with a series of HD photos as well.
9. A plot synopsis for ‘Star Wars: Last Shot - A Han and Lando Novel’ has been released
10. Twitter and Facebook Questions
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[@TheDenofNerds]

I 1000% agree that Dave Filoni should be "the guy". I actually went to the same college as Dave and I will NEVER forget when he came back and talked to us about meeting George and getting his job. He was George's PADAWAN! The man should be given his chance, especially when you consider that the way George made Clone Wars was a cinematic process. He set it all up and "filmed" it like it was a film. That's because George's training was in film. I don't even really hate Kathleen Kenedy, but I think the majority of the fans want Filoni to be in charge. Thanks for being a great show and being honest about your love of Star Wars!!!!

[@android131c]

their honesty? their integrity is in question. they rated TLJ 9/10 but since opening night talk about it like 5/10. they've rarely said anything good about it.

[@luckyday8522]

android Yes because if they start to go on about how good it was 'fans' lose their nuts and call them Shills. They're constantly on egg shells.

[@TheDenofNerds]

Okay, so as someone who both LOVES The Last Jedi and left the theater with weird feelings the first time, I can tell you that I also tend to focus on the things I didn't like about the movie when I'm in a conversation. I think that's just where it flows most of the time. Maybe it's becaues, no matter how much you liked it, you have to admit where the fanbase is at. I'm not blind to it. I think everyone at Collider is pretty authentic and fair. They also try to be professional. Just my opinion.

[@PhilipHarwell]

The Den of Nerds well said!

[@mrcristaldo]

The Den of Nerds Fire KK already!

[@puckahoey]

Nobody asked for solo, we get solo, everybody asked for obi wan we don't get obi wan

[@gokinsmen]

Obi-Wan standalone will happen, but Lucasfilm won't announce it until they've nailed down the script and director. After Trank's personal meltdown and Lord & Miller's firing, they'll be extra careful in making sure they have the right filmmakers on board. Why jump the gun like the DCEU or Universal's Dark Universe?

[@LegendOfSolidus]

Exactly.

[@wuttichaiupatising9970]

I agree. While I love all the content they produce, a lot of people didn't. So Kennedy is a little gun shy now.

[@user-kt4cg2fn7l]

Exactly. I think people have gotten spoiled by announcements. Speaking for myself, I don't really care to hear about movies that are more than two or three years away.

[@luckyday8522]

Also why not wait til they get a good feel for how these spinoff Stories go over? See how the audience feels about Solo. These spinoffs are mainly around for the diehard fans anyways, not to bring in new ones, so no point in getting people too hyped for that branch of the new era. The real future is in the Johnson and D&D trilogies.

[@VperVendetta1992]

But then why did Kennedy announce a whole trilogy by Rian Johnson and a set of movies by D&D? You'd think she would have announced Obi-Wan first.

[@IkeThe9th]

Ken Napzok is the reason I joined SchmoesKnow; he's the reason I subscribed to Collider, he's why I like Jedi Council. (Just Sayin') 🙄

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

He's my favorite too. Have you seen the early seasons of `Jedi Alliance'? It was a show like this he co-founded with Maude Garrett and later Joseph Scrimshaw took her place. It was a lot of fun. Great to now have him here though.

[@gbpackers5578]

Kristians comments/concerns are spot on...great Council conversation on display!!

[@gpcovenant]

Harloff is dead on with what is going on at Lucasfilm and KK. Couldn’t have said it better myself. My guess is Filoni is not in charge cause the bigwigs, meaning those in charge of the movie side, don’t like Lucas interpretation of Star Wars and Filoni is the continuation of that interpretation.

[@Nathan-or2hl]

I appreciate your thoughts immensely kristian. I love your genuine passion for Star Wars

[@donnyyasu2764]

With all the changes with Collider and how it affects friends and coworkers, I would be mad too.

[@leighsa4647]

She mocks the hardcore fans that have issues and for thoes reasons she is by far my least favourite person on the panel. Yes I am a fanboi!! So what I have that right you have a platform to talk to people about opinions well guess what girl act like it and treat (fanbois) the same you want to be treated good luck and cheers.

[@Nathan-or2hl]

No sarcasm

[@NARUTO1997ification]

I totally agree with Kristian on Dave Filoni and Kathleen Kennedy. Rebels reminds me every time why I love Star Wars. The films don`t. I just don`t care the same way about the characters in the films than I do in canon and tv shows. I might be one of the few people who has this opinion, but every single female character in Rebels are better than Rey. I don`t care about her at all. Ahsoka for example is a way more interesting character. The films so far have been mediocre at best, while Filoni has nailed it. That`s my opinion, tho.

[@MiMi_MoMo]

Revan I completely agree. As a woman, I honestly hate Rey. She is so uninteresting and boring, not to mention flawless (a flawless character is terrible writing). But Ahsoka, Hera and Sabine on the other hand are extremely unique and interesting in their own ways. They all have flaws and feel “human”. Filoni is just a master at storytelling and he needs to get more credit for it.

[@NARUTO1997ification]

Yes! Thank you! Glad someone agrees with me. I have been saying for a long time that Rey has no flaws, and she is the main character. That is a problem. As you say Filoni knows how to create characters that are interesting and compelling. That`s why Rebels is so great.

[@Within_Cells_Interlinked]

Revan Yeah, I definitely agree. I’m wondering more and more what Filoni would’ve been able to do with Rey’s character specifically, especially in TLJ. I know Ahsoka has had more time to develop, but she’s one of my favorites. If they could’ve done even a fraction for Rey’s character that they did for Ahsoka’s, I would’ve been more than satisfied with Rey instead of feeling disappointed.

[@TheBurroughs81]

The 2 are completely different because you have had countless hours with the clone wars character and the rebels character compared to Rey's 4 hours in movies, so of course you are more invested in those because they had alot of times to be fleshed out

[@TheBurroughs81]

Anna Kang i dont know about that, Hera and Sabine are pretty perfect characters, please explain what their weaknesses are?

[@gokinsmen]

In addition to returning as Owen, Joel Edgerton wouldn't be a bad choice to write & direct a SW spinoff in the future. THE GIFT was an incredibly impressive psychological horror. I couldn't believe it was his debut.

[@wuttichaiupatising9970]

Another great show guys. Really want Solo to be great because then we can get our Obi Wan movie.

[@bingbong4427]

Kristian looked pissed that he didn't know BB8 did the "I have a bad feeling about this " line.

[@2daflowmoore194]

Yea he did but I think it’s because he’s becoming a know it all and was surprised about something he didn’t catch

[@luckyday8522]

Yeah and the whole Snoke being the big bad, when clearly it's Kylo. And the Broomkid being the basis of the new trilogy, and DJ's character traits. There's a lot that went over his head. I was hoping he would have a deeper understanding of the movie given time, but the opposite seems to be happening.

[@bingbong4427]

This seems to be a thing with this movie, people didn't pay attention to a lot of the detail and when they miss things they go off on a rant about how they dislike this movie and call the things that they missed plot holes.

[@bingbong4427]

TheLastJedi shut up troll 😧

[@nelic182]

Was surprised he didnt know this

[@TepidShark]

John Williams does not have a star on the Walk of Fame. How has no one raised the funds for that?

[@joshcass070912]

I love Ken

[@MarkHogan994]

This a GREAT Jedi Council. I don't mean as an episode, because I haven't watched it yet, but as a group of people to make up the council. Perri, Harloff, and Ken. My three favorite people at Collider, and those whose Star Wars conversations I enjoy the most. Add in Mark Ellis and you have the ultimate entertainment talk show. This is really a great configuration.

[@MiMi_MoMo]

I’m glad you guys are coming out and criticizing Lucasfilm now. I unsubscribed a while back because you guys were just so happy and positive. I think there should be a balance. You shouldn’t be overly negative about Lucasfilm (they are doing some great stuff) but I don’t think being overly positive is the right answer either. If we criticize things with a level head, they will be more willing to listen to us fans. So I say, speak your minds and tell us what you really feel in a positive and level headed way.

[@rasalpaul4574]

I 1000% agree

[@molsy1768]

If they like what lucasfilm is doing why shouldn't they voice their own opinions. Movies are subjective

[@MiMi_MoMo]

Sean Paul Al Saedi I’m not talking about the actual content of the films, because yes of course that is subjective. I mean the management of Lucasfilm as a company. There are facts everywhere that Kathleen Kennedy isn’t doing a great job at connecting the cannon together. That’s why I agree with Harloff that KK should make executive decisions and Filoni should be in charge of the creative ones.

[@luckyday8522]

I'm still not sure exactly what Kristian is criticizing.. can you give me a few examples of Kennedy not connecting cannon?

[@Ulghan]

One example: In The Force Awakens novelization Rey and Poe meet each other. But in The Last Jedi they first see each other at the end of the movie. There are already inconsistencies in canon (not only this) and we're only 3 movies in.

[@braddollahite7589]

personally i dont realy care for the age or the voice of solo, like harloff said i want him to act like him. But after seeing the trailer again im getting amped up for it.

[@KirbyMasterArchives]

Obi-Wan is our only hope with these new movies... Ironic

[@Ledpooplin55]

Dude, no matter what happens a bunch of unbearable SW fans are going to be making 2 hour KZbin videos about how it ruined their lives and they'll never recover.

[@MarkHogan994]

I never tire of people who don't know what the word "ironic" means.

[@Daddyvader7]

Mark Hogan it’s ironic that you think you know.

[@serbancapraru8559]

Ledpooplin55 I'm kinda happy they think it ruined their lives. That means they don't have any real problems to worry about, so they must have great lives. Brats.

[@rasalpaul4574]

I 1000% agree

[@joshg7320]

Love your analysis on Dave and Kathleen Kristian!

[@Tokiofritz]

I don't think TLJ was as bad as some said, but it was definitely a misfire on various fronts. Completely agree with Harloff about Kennedy's place within the SW films. SW needs a Kevin Feige at the head of creativity, not Kennedy who just talks in soundbites and generic platitudes. Filoni is literally Lucas' student, a man that lives and breathes Star Wars. She had her chance and has blown it, move along and let a real creative take over.

[@Jonthe1996]

19:51 harmony on point.

[@AnthonyLopez-cc9nf]

Love the way Kristian gets his opinion across without sounding like a hater or someone who blindly loves everything. He’s the only one that just says it like it is

[@SPIDER-VIDEOS]

OH YEAH! Well said Kristian! I'm with you again - I would take a Kenobi movie over episode 9 - EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK! Well said man! As for Filoni in charge creatively and Kennedy doing what she does best - Accounting. Absolutely. This would be the perfect solution to give us all the Star Wars we deserve.

[@briankatz3955]

I wonder how much of Disney executives saw Dave Filoni as a stand-in “George Lucas”. Disney wanted to initially distance themselves from Lucas at first (ie canceling Clone Wars, not taking Lucas’s scripts/story arcs for the sequel trilogy). I think Dave Filoni initially was acting as “continuing Lucas’s vision” while Disney executives wanted to reboot a franchise. For example, I can see Dave saying “George never wanted for this to happen in his movies”, and Disney executives having a problem with this mindset. For this reason Dave continues to “play” in animation and not given the major creative control because Disney fears another Prequel trilogy product. Simply put “Dave has too much George in him” (similar to Kyle having too much Vader in him).

[@dawnloria6370]

I am 100% in agreement about Dave Filoni. His knowledge and apparent love of Star Wars is more than evident. Nothing against Kathleen Kennedy but the lack of a comprehensive plan in the movies is doing a huge disservice to the fans and the stories.

[@jerryalb]

Also regarding Luke having a prominent role in Episode IX as a force ghost. let's keep in mind that how Luke died was different than we've seen. At the height of his powers after a powerful exhibition of Force-powers he just fades away becoming one with the Force. Yeah, Yoda similarly faded away; but alot of that was extreme age. Luke was old, but still very strong. I think there's a case to be made that he could make significant impacts on the real world in episode IX. remember, he did tell his nephew, "see you around kid"

[@blueroninstudios]

I agree with Kristian on "putting Filoni in the chair." Kennedy's involvement has been a bit controversial at times, but the problems dont hamper the production, but creatively, something's not quite working in Lucasfilm when your choices for directors is like a revolving door with Trevorrow and Lord and Miller and Ron Howard and JJ Abrams and clashes and all this other stuff. It doesnt make me worry about the production or whther or not the movies will be released .... but it's a little disconcerting that she's not front and center for a lot of stuff. Give Filoni a chance, Kennedy. Please?

[@shanecanavan8132]

Yea give him a chance, but I think its jumping the gun to just throw him into head of creative. I agree the directors & KK should be on the same page b4 they're hired but all their films are critically and financially successful, their animated show is very popular and most of their books have been well received. The content is good, I think that's what's important.

[@darthdurkelthewise320]

Probably the best and most frank SW discussion I’ve seen on this damn channel concerning the elephant in the room, the questionable decision making by leadership at Lucasfilm.

[@BradHoytMusic]

That conversation in the middle could have been another edition of the fabled "Address the Council" segment. :)

[@KwaIified]

Kristian dropping the science on who should have creative control...spot on and love the passion...great show guys

[@ajworkman2623]

But what if Dave doesn't want to be head of creative...

[@jaystone7587]

Yes, Perri, I felt the same way. At the end of the trailer when Alden said "We're fine, we are all fine now." That sounded spot on to me. I'm with ya Perri. :)

[@RighteousBrother]

Harloff, is a looking like a man who's lost his Star Wars faith compared to how he was before the release of TLJ, he just seems so defeated and deflated these days.

[@amazingfantasy6315]

RighteousBrother: He spent I don’t know maybe a year and a half hyping up Ruin Johnson saying he’s such a good director that Last Jedi is going to be “dark” and then the film comes out and it’s basically a comedy so yeah he should be bummed but it’s his fault for putting too many eggs into a sinking ship

[@liquidsnake6783]

RighteousBrother butthurt fans wore him down.

[@liquidsnake6783]

durnodurno No thanks I trust my own opinion on TLJ so does Kristian.He's already expressed what he liked and didn't like about it but you guys won't be content until he hates it as much as you.

[@depe4515]

durnodurno If you look at actual credible critics and film professionals, they will all tell you how amazing of a film it is. And how about you have a brain of your own and stop parroting another man's opinion like the complete beta males that don't like TLJ.

[@sinistavoicez]

YESSIR Parts 1,2, and 3

[@PhillyDove]

I like how comfortable you all look at the new table. I like that you can look each other in the eye, it feels like a regular convo.

[@DiscipleOfLeisure]

Within the Disney hierarchy Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige, as the heads of their respective subsidiary studios, both report to the same boss; Alan Horn. She's not "higher up" than he is. Not since Marvel Studios was shuffled out of Marvel Entertainment and Feige no longer had to report to Ike Perlmutter. The key difference between them, which the Council does seem to recognize, is that Feige is a dyed in the wool fan of the franchise he's overseeing and bringing to the big screen. Kennedy's appreciation of Star Wars seems to skim more along it's surface and not run nearly as deep. And she seems to get much more excited about the things she can accomplish by utilizing the franchise than she does about the particulars of the franchise itself.

[@dr-k1667]

Remember during a Con Filoni wore a shirt that said Ashoka lives. This man had this planned a long long time ago. He is a storytelling genius.

[@yvngtonyb]

Christian bro every single week you say “I don’t wanna get into what I get into every week” and then you start talking about it lmao shit makes me cry every time

[@rocg2397]

An episode like this shows when council is great. Fair and balanced. That’s all I want. Today showed why I started watching council years ago but will be honest I stopped watching bc of all the drama with TLJ, whether you liked it or not. I just want an honest, open dialogue with fair criticism and take. Hard to watch when everyone says they love something. Sorry, there is definitely tangible issues with Star Wars and there’s something that’s not working. Fan base too split, way too split. Not fun.

[@johnvanderhoef]

Most of us appreciate your critical perspective, Kristian.

[@JosephAAmara]

Kristian, thanks for being honest. I agree. Last Jedi bummed me out. The mythic aspect was wrong. The good guy's only move is suicide, training in how to use force does not matter. I'm not angry, but my fandom has ended. After rebels ends, I am just letting it go. It cool, just sad.

[@HoleDweller]

Joseph A. Amara Luke attempted suicide in both Empire and Return, that's just how he rolls. Who taught Luke how to fly an X-Wing, fire a proton torpedo without a targeting computer, pull his lightsaber free from the ice, fight with a lightsaber, or force jump? There is as much explanation for those things as for anything Rey has done so far.

[@alexbittonagy4808]

Joseph A. Amara Good 4 you. Bye!

[@johnkerr2438]

47:37 Harloff gettin gangsta!

[@thebacons5943]

So is Ken still around just for Jedi Council? I guess I’ll have to ask at the QandA ;)

[@MrKill_SC]

I was pretty surprised as well but it makes me happy. Ken Napzok is awesome!

[@thebacons5943]

L E R I U M same

[@Tware8100]

I'm excited for SOLO. I loved ROGUE ONE and hope SOLO is just as great. I view them as the prequals I wish we would've gotten. Mainly the look and feel of the movies. A good story is a good story but the stand alone movies look really good.

[@7rrrman]

Great show, keep em coming

[@jadan2000]

Harloff and I don't usually agree, but I totally agree with him about how Star Wars is being run right now from the films pespective.

[@BenjitheSalted]

Me too.

[@theodorehumphreys907]

Kristian love your passion for Star Wars, been watching Jedi Council since I found the show a year before Force Awakens came out. I appreciate your opinion very much. Please do not let the toxic fans get you down. Keep Up Great work. "The Force will be with you, Always"

[@Creech786]

Jordan Schlansky for Jedi Council

[@michaelcachela5118]

Very saddened by the fact that Kristian, Perri, and Ken don't believe that Obi-Wan won't happen anymore. ☹️ They do give good points why, but I'm still hoping it will come to fruition. Not gonna give up yet. #Kenobi

[@seanmorgan510]

Thanks for Keeping Ken on the show!

[@garethstanden3732]

Talking of force ghosts, if Anakin appeared in Ep6, then why not appear to Kylo and tell him to quit it? Kylo never stops bloody talking to his helmet so have a word!

[@clarkbryant8222]

Anywho thinks CHRISTIAN is PAID BY DISNEY, is not listening to how he is critiquing Disney and Star Wars regarding canon and “that star wars feel”. I LIKE IT he is holding them accountable for the best product,whole appreciating the good thing about the mythology.

[@megatron97tf28]

One of my very favorite Jedi Councils. Well done and thank you for doing this show as always!!

[@shanecanavan8132]

I think this is all a little overblown. There's one divisive movie amongst the hard-core SW fans & its like its star wars darkest hour. I mean is this going to happen every time a SW movie isn't mostly universally liked? I get the whole point about extended canon fans wanting to be rewarded more, I don't read the books (I do watch rebels) but I can see that as a fair criticism. I don't think its that big an issue though. I do think they need to make sure their on the same page with directors early on. All 3 movies have been financially & critically successful, their animated show rebels is very popular, from what I've seen on videos like this most books have been good. One movie has divisiveness amongst the hard-core fans & it panic time. Yea there's problems but I think things are being blown out of proportion & ppl are reading to much into things. I say relax

[@ivanaytor93]

Shane Canavan OMG a rational SW! fan good to know there is an..o..th..er..

[@calebmaz6001]

Shane Canavan nailed it

[@colbyjack100]

I come here for Ken

[@moviewrites3297]

Thank you for your passion Kristian, you are speaking the truth that so many of us feel. Even if you love TLJ, you can't objectively deny that the overall narrative is a bit of a mess. Whether its Luke's arc, the growth of the new trio of characters, the connection to TFA, the questions going into EP 9 - it's very clear there is no overall story, just random things being thrown together. Which is a damn shame because Star Wars is THE one and only franchise where you can create this amazing overall story through multiple mediums.

[@bean4605]

I still love Star Wars, but have felt less interested in it ever since The Last Jedi.

[@willc4920]

what if we get Kylo vs KOR in next movie. Maybe a flashback showing them breaking off like maybe Kylo abandoned them and now they want revenge and to take control of the FO or something, id love that

[@MonolithEnigma]

100% agree with Kristian. Filoni should be in charge of creative. He is a visionary like George.

[@JLOFlix]

GREAT show guys!! I look forward to it each week, keep it up!

[@Guywithnonamereviews]

Kristian you are on-point with what you are saying about Kennedy. Don’t let these fans who are eternally optimistic make you feel like you are alone or anything. I don’t mind if someone likes what I don’t like. I wish I loved The Last Jedi; I REALLY wanted to. But I have talked to many people who are just optimistic people who are not thinking for themselves. I don’t mind people who do like or don’t like certain things as long as it is genuine. I have an issue for people who will defend whatever decisions are made by default and are in denial. Just because I and others don’t like something and have negative feelings does not make it wrong. Negative is not bad, positive is not good. Anyone’s feelings are fine as long as they are real

[@bankairocks93]

Thank you for another great episode of Jedi Council! Will always be one of my favorites on the channel. We appreciate your thoughts as always, Kristian! I definitely agree with your thoughts that Filoni should be running the Creative Team.

[@kungpip]

Love you Perri. Don´t ever change!

[@nicolasrage666]

Council, as always you deliver a great show and commentary on the flow of Star Wars. My thoughts: I won't lose sleep if we do not get a live action Obi-Wan film or any other based on a single character. We are required to keep rewinding to prequelesque time, which I thought everyone was burnt out on even before Revenge of the Sith was released. Anything post ROTJ is as far as I would go to shed more light on what brought us to the state of the galaxy in TFA and beyond. So far the novels and various comic series have done a fantastic job. Well crafted focus tying everything together. Talent and resources would be better suited bringing any live action film or series in this timeline to fill in the gaps as we progress into another trilogy once the Skywalker era ends.

[@simply7even561]

The more I watch Jedi council I feel the distress and bleak outlook towards the Star Wars universe. Especially with Christian. He just feels done and over it.

[@aguyonyoutube321]

I completely appreciate and agree with you Kristian on Dave, thank you for your views.

[@OGThor79]

Totally agree with Harloff, but unfortunately that doesn't fit the Disney agenda. Excited for Solo, gawd I hope it doesn't kill my already bruised fandom for Star Wars post TLJ.

[@willc4920]

I also agree that they need to connect the books/animated series/movies better then they have. There is SO much material in their to connect, and it would make Star Wars soooo much better then it already is, and where it is today with this divide, I think it would help mend that issue. That was a great convo/ episode overall!

[@HeviNova]

The underlying theme is Rian Johnson screwed up and Kennedy has no game plan. That is why people are so split and felling meh. The Last Jedi was terrible as a star wars movie. I am still stunned Perri and Ken still like the movie as much as they say they do.

[@theman37379]

I can't see how they can feel like Holdo was misrepresented onscreen (a character from a novel 90% of audience members will never have read) and not get just how badly Luke was misrepresented as a character in TLJ. We had 3 very popular films establishing the character of Luke Skywalker. A supposed "good" character in a film cocks a loaded gun in the bedroom of his sleeping nephew (the equivalent of igniting a lightsaber), the son of his best friend and his twin sister who they trusted to train him with the intent to kill him. I get what they were trying to do in TLJ, but it was just COMPLETELY mishandled from a storytelling perspective and was IMO terrible writing and completely out of character. So many better ways to handle that scene and not make Luke look so heartless and incompetent.

[@toonytube2444]

Thank you for the explanation, Kristian.

[@tylerbruso25]

Really great episode today, this is the Council I remember loving. I also really like Harloff's idea about Filoni being in charge of creative and Kennedy in charge of production.

[@Robin50572]

Im a Sox fan, and AC is gonna manage the hell out of this years team! DARTH Harloff!!!

[@kscook79]

GREAT conversations today!!

[@tjcarr8097]

I said it from the beginning that Filoni should be like Feige for Star Wars!!! And! I love that you guys finally discussed some criticism about how things are being run in their company! Very healthy conversation and that’s where it needs to go if things are going to change moving forward!!!

[@jaystone7587]

Perri, if your driving down the road with red dust coming out of your car you need to get it fixed. :)

[@ZygMonsterYAH]

I believe that if Solo bombs or underperforms in the box office, than the chances of the Obi-Wan movie are probably slim.

[@thebacons5943]

ZygMonsterYAH same. I think if they make it’s not gonna be that 2020 slot that everyone takes for granted

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

Exactly. Obi-Wan being made depends entirely on Solo's success.

[@SwaggerLikeUz]

Kenobi being on hold might be a good thing! Lucasfilm by now knows more than any franchise if the script/story they have isn't great doing Obi Wan justice. Don't even make it. In regards to Kenobi I remember seeing ROTS during the midnight viewing. It was sold out & at the end Kenobi gives baby Luke to His Uncle & Aunt. Those feels, the music, the twin suns, & Kenobi looking on then walking away, had everybody in tears. Even the SW Rebels episode "Twin Suns" Kristian mentions, was amazing. There's so much potential for the Kenobi movie so they have to make it and make sure its amazing.

[@AaronMosmeyer]

There actually was a line from the Clone Wars movie in the latest Rebels episode. Anakin saying “you never would have made it as Obi-Wan’s Padawan... but you might make it as mine” is straight from the Clone Wars movie.

[@matthewstokes707]

So Kristian is the one that's always on a downer, making CJC a chore to watch... yet it's Ken that Collider make redundant... shyeah... good call.

[@amysarg]

Nemiroff was spot on regarding the international poster. A great poster can be marketable and tasteful at the same time.

[@rpkcustoms]

I do agree 100% Filoni should take over for Kennedy. This was the best Jedi Council episode that you guys have put out in a LONG time. Loved it

[@jordankeckler8852]

Another great episode. I love your conversations and listening to your points of view. I respect all your opinions and usually I agree with them. I agree that Dave Filoni needs to be utilized more than just animation. He has a creative genius that needs to be used more. The last 4 episodes of Rebels have been outstanding. Some of the best of the entire series. That is saying something. During these dark times of Star Wars fandom, these episodes are absolutely just what we need. They have done so much in the last couple weeks. For me they have reignited the flame that is my love of Star Wars. Just so amazing. I’m very excited for what’s coming. TLJ novelization, Rebels finale, and more. Looking forward to it all. Thanks for doing what you do guys, keep it up!

[@ViperEye]

Harrison Ford was in Blade Runner 2049 at his age, for example. You don't need an action/physically demanding role, there are plenty of supporting/background roles a character like Lando can have in IX. Him taking command of the MF again now that Solo has passed on and going out in a blaze of glory would indeed be a possibility. I'm pretty sure he would have a bone to pick with the First Order.

[@JEBLego]

What?! The Wilhelm scream was in this movie. It's been a while since I've seen it but if I'm not mistaken when Luke is fighting Kylo on Crait the scream is heard when he ducks under the lightsaber. Or during one of Kylo's other attacks at least. I'm sure of it because I remember thinking "And there it was :D"

[@elsaandnoah]

WHAT a panel! Thank you guys 🤓💕💕💕

[@cinemamonkey8137]

Disney likes money Obi wan spinoff equals money Easy YES

[@tfuniverse1651]

The Cell 22 a boba movie equals money more i think

[@tfuniverse1651]

Maybe

[@BenjitheSalted]

Yes, I wish that they would see that! Have you read the KENOBI book by John Jackson Miller? It is extraordinary. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3TXnnicdtWJmaM

[@mattlawson373]

Completely agree with Harloff, I feel like Kennedy is just the boss that cares about box office numbers which is fine, but many of us would like some more creative intertwined storylines like what filoni has done. Hopefully more on an emphasis on cannon material through novels and tv and movies. Haven't really ever heard Kennedy come up with any " creative ideas " herself, mainly stories of her not agreeing with directors b/c she didn't like their storyline (trevarrow,etc) Filoni creating these storylines and working with rian johnson and other directors would be fantastic

[@atlasmasterdmind4070]

This episode was on-point. As a salty Army vet. There is something called; one person needs to trust their team and delegate authority and responsibility. She, ala Kennedy, sn't the "creative force" in practice but in name only, and that does suck. But she should remain the head of Lucasfilm from a production stand-point. You all hit on such a well discussed argument here and I truly hope they are listening up at the Lucasfilm brass. Filoni shoukd be acknowledged and brought to the forefront of would only strengthen Star Wars.

[@CraziFuzzy]

You know, seeing the artwork animated in Wolves in a Door triggered some deep memories for me, and it took me until right now to finally place it. Dot and the Kangaroo - an Australian kids movie from 1977, that I must have seen a number of times when I was little - had a segment about "the Bunyip," that was presented as animated cave drawings - and it freaked me out when I was a kid. It's amazing how things like that are completely forgotten, and can somehow come back from nowhere 40-some years later.

[@wendyflores1092]

I agree with Kristian, that kind of structure works in many hierarchical structures, I don't know if is good to everybody because needs a lot of communication and teamwork.... we can only hope for a better future

[@carlosjuvera6162]

Exactly! The OBI WAN Movie is the only Star Wars we want and need. Episode 9 can take a back seat. Or not even be made as far as I care.

[@raymondperryjr.5474]

Harloff do your thing man! I hated TLJ but I also hate all the the trolling that goes on on both sides of the divide. I watch this show to hear your opinions and theories and you dont have to explain yourself to anybody. Dont let the few affect the way you express your opinion. You guys dont have to apologize to us. A lot of us are hurt and confused about what the hell they are doing to our Star Wars and that breeds a lot of anger. I know all the “sweaties” getting onto you guys is frustrating and I’m glad you guys addressed it on the show today but i have never questioned anyone on the panels love for Star Wars. Just wanted to say sorry for all the idiots trying to steal your joy of bringing us this show every week. Keep up the good work!

[@kevNCC-D]

I really hope u 3 and Ellis do a last Jedi movie commentary. I have loved all your star wars commentary even the prequels

[@jedimasterpax]

I don't usually comment on anything, anywhere, but, Kristian, I 100% agree with you, and have since the beginning. It's like Kathleen Kennedy is a head chef making the ultimate banquet and she has access to her sous chef, Filoni, who was Julia Child's protege, and he has made dishes that her guests absolutely love and keep coming back for more, yet she invites other outside chefs to cook instead. Let's see a live-action fan feast prepared by Dave Filoni.

[@edgarortega875]

I can already see the bad comments after watching this video lol. That aside, I kinda agree with Harloff on some of his points. Is KK a great producer? Absolutely yes without a doubt!!! I just would like to see more connectivity & see her get more involved in the overall canon. But hey, what do I know? I don't work over there, I might be completely wrong. This is just my opinion.

[@stephenmarseille5425]

I find it weird that people (looking at you, Kristian) say George is a bad writer but one of the best storytellers of all time. Why? Because the TELLERS part. That's the writing piece. Honestly, George comes up with fantastic stories and ideas, some of the best, but he's actually bad at the telling part, which is why his pure vision has been best filtered through others who know how to tell, compellingly, his amazing ideas. This is not a knock on him (any more than what Kristian said anyway), but just want to make the point that his struggle is in the execution of his storytelling -- and that's the "telling" part.

[@barkasz6066]

Axing Maul in the Phantom Menace and turning him from a warrior-poet into a mute menace was a decision so horrible that they had to retcon it years later. Dooku imho was an uninspiring, bland, boring villain.

[@Solidus_25]

love the conversation..Never stop Collider Jedi Council :)

[@MsMaster563]

I'm starting to think there is a smaller chance we will be getting this Obi Wan movie. Shouldnt it be announced fairly soon? And Ewan McGregor has said that he doesn't know anything more than we do. Really hope he is lying though.

[@Dondarif]

Completely agree with Kristian. I’ve seen Kennedy receive a lot of unwarranted abuse about how she’s running Licasfilm. She seems to be very good as the studio head but something has to be done about making the universe feel connected. Kevin Feige and the other folks over at Marvel have been able to make movies that casual fans love but also provide the more serious fans with what they want most of the time. I acknowledge that Marvel are just dealing with films, whilst Lucasfilm is all types of media, but if you look at the talent they’ve got on board, especially with the story group, I can see that approach being much more rewarding for everyone. Marvel are even releasing 3 films a year now and have been nailing it. With someone like Filoni or the story group in charge of the creative vision, with only one movie a year, there would be plenty of time to create a developing and all encompassing narrative for the universe.

[@FaceManBuddha]

Harloff saying "nothing has changed about his love for Star Wars," has NOTHING to do with why many people are correctly underscoring the flip-flopping or positive to negative change of mindset or perspective. What they were meaning was ostensibly how Harloff was overly positive and defended the movie with remarks about "Fan-boy expectations," etc., and now, he has a more focused view in which he now realizes that they were many mistakes made with RJ and KK at the Helm, per se; and that is what overwhelming majority of fans who saw the movie illuminated; e.g., the COMPLETE disregard, dismissal, and discounting of the previous 7 or 8 films (if one includes Rogue One and should) regarding story-line, continuity, and most imperatively Character. i.e., Luke Skywalker, which is what the entire series is about (the bloodline and it's connection to the Force).

[@georgeanaya7471]

Great episode let the force be with you all