Is Ryan Coogler Right For Star Wars? - Jedi Council

[@HydroBud98]

21:01 Wtf are you talking about? There are so many reviews breaking down their problems with The Last Jedi. Did you not know of these? Because there are dozens of them and people in the comments are talking about it in detail Ash... So go there maybe? Ffs...

[@hargibson18]

True there are, fair point. But I think what she is getting at is the (what I consider to be) MUCH larger volume of totally non-detailed or constructive criticisms of the film. Just a mountain of "TLJ sucks!" "Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars!" or like the comment below from omnimetabell "no one is complaining you shills! Episode 9 sucked and the fact that you can't ge through any Jedi Council podcast and not be able to get to the agenda without constantly reinforcing you're failing position that somehow this was a good movie is pathetic. Stop it with the straw man arguments." THAT kind of comment is not a review that breaks down their problems, in fact it doesn't say a SINGLE thing about the actual damn movie. Its just PURE negativity with no purpose other than to harass people with different opinions. That is what she is talking about, its toxic for the sake of being toxic.

[@HydroBud98]

Harrison Gibson... Dude I know what she is talking about... But right here, she acted as if she's never heard a legitimate argument against TLJ in her life when they are EVERYWHERE.

[@hargibson18]

I mean you started the comment with "Wtf are you talking about?" Sorry for answering the question. Personally I thought it was very clear she was talking about the types of comments I mentioned, rather than legit critiques.

[@MADDMOODY516]

why are these comments always so low?

[@slimmike56]

HydroBud98 your exactly right man, i dont get it. My buddy who hated the movie said he’d rathee watch the prequels not because theyre better movies but they still feel like Star Wars

[@dmen0563]

I prefer coogler do black panther 2

[@dand8144]

Dmen05 Agree.

[@polyseed12]

Rod Diaz is an ALT-RIGHT Troll, dont feed the Troll.

[@arturobenavides6142]

"I thought we were in trouble there for a second. But its fine, we're fine" Am I the only one who liked that line??

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

I think it really captures part of the essence of Han. I also think it should be one of the most fun SW films ever.

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

I think it's important for the "Jedi Council Members" to realize there were not "a lot" of people who disliked/hated TLJ. Almost all the people who disliked TLJ are self-proclaimed "SW fans" at a high level, i.e. fans who watch shows like this. WE ARE A MINORITY! Most people who buy tickets to the theater for these movies are not hardcore SW fans like us. We make up maybe 2% of the American population, being generous. Now out of those hardcore fans, I do think it's fair to say the fan base is split. But what that would mean is only ONE PERCENT of people (who saw it) actually hated or really disliked the film. Now I'm not saying it was everyone's favorite or that 99 percent LOVED the film, but there's a big difference between hating a movie and just feeling like it was decent. (For the record, most people actually DID have positive feelings about this film) As we know, social/fan-based ranking sites like Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB, etc are far from iron-clad and frankly don't mean very much due to their crowd-sourced nature. A site like CinemaScore is widely regarded as a more accurate measure of fan response to a film. TLJ received an A on CinemaScore, which is an elite score on that site. And no - this is not from critics. They get their score from interviewing regular movie-goers. My point is, TLJ was a success by virtually every measure and it has been exhausting hearing Kristian Harloff (idk if I spelled that right) bring up the "divisiveness" of TLJ or saying Disney should be nervous, etc, WEEK AFTER WEEK. I've enjoyed watching Jedi Council for a while now but I'm just asking you to recognize that KZbin commenters (like myself haha) DO NOT represent the majority of movie goers. In fact, the majority of us who actually take the time to comment on videos like this are huge nerds. I think the truth of the matter is Kristian just didnt like TLJ or reads too many social media comments and dont get me wrong - that's fine if someone doesn't like TLJ. But when that personal feeling turns into a perpetuated narrative, it becomes difficult to continue watching the show. So I'm just asking that when you talk about TLJ here, please stop putting your spin on the situation because of your personal bias against the film which becomes more evident week after week (talking to you Kristian). This has become literally the ONLY place where I continue to hear negativity about TLJ, the SW franchise and the SW fan-base, and I used to come here for a good time, not to get bummed out : )

[@True-Believer616]

Ryan Coogler please walk away. You are 3/3 at this point. Do not get involved with Star Wars. Focus on the next Panther movie instead. Please.

[@andrewtheimmortal2225]

Weallgotit I feel you on that. No star wars for Coogler.

[@tomediagroup]

I said the same thing when he was brought on to work on Black Panther, after Creed 2 was announced. “Stay away, do another Creed”. Opinions change. Huh, how about that....

[@andrewtheimmortal2225]

T.O. Media Studio can't argue with that

[@ChristopherZubin]

come on, give him one movie, a middle one, and he'll be the Kershner of that trilogy. then like Kershner he can become Star Wars' next cool granpa

[@sandman1347]

Being forced to work with Kathleen Kennedy is a death sentence. I think he should continue on his own path. Star Wars has been kidnapped by human trafficers and will have a dark and depressing existence from this point on.

[@nick_norambuena]

Kristians points on the divisiveness of the last jedi are great, 100% agree

[@harrymonk70]

He is desperate to come out..against TLJ!

[@DansFilmFiles]

I swear the same question gets asked every time we get a successful superhero movie.

[@jeremypalencia2408]

Dan Peckett Ryan's movies have 90% or more on Rotten Tomatoes. He is a great director

[@DansFilmFiles]

Jeremy Palencia I completely agree he is a great director and I hope success for him continues but every time a new superhero movie opens with success they automatically get attached to be the new favourite to direct a Star Wars movie. Personally, I’d rather Coogler stick to films like Creed. I loved Black Panther but I feel he has so much more to offer from his independent work which I’d rather see him do.

[@winsronshelley8170]

you aint lying

[@jaygarrick8838]

Yeah literally every time someone directs a good superhero movies it’s like...”oh shoot they should direct Star Wars”

[@SuperShanko]

+jay garrick And the irony is that when someone directs a SW they either over cook it, add too much salt or whatever that doesn't make it like how their moms used to make it and these people get angry at the director.

[@gokinsmen]

JJ wasn't addressing all people who disliked TLJ. He was specifically addressing the alt-right trolls and bigots who appear in every comment section complaining about "SJW propaganda" and "feminazis." The phony outrage came from click bait headlines from online bloggers and whiny fanboys who didn't read the actual quotes.

[@Dularr]

Nope, the online bloggers are simply quoting the mainstream media headlines.

[@hargibson18]

That's not a legitimate reason to not do your research.

[@Rackhark]

There are some trolls around true, but why is it, that you allways refer to anyone who is not "the left" "All-right"? do you guys even know what "the ALL-Right" is & what they believe in? There is a big difference between the Right & the ALL-right.

[@AgentLogic76]

Please spare me the alt right crap alt right far left the left isnt this inocent lil child either so please dont start this political crap here AGAIN !! STICK to star wars regardles who watches. TLJ sucked !!! Just praying this ones better but this constant sjw and political shit comments need to stop. Thats not what we are here for.

[@JamesBond-vx8kf]

TLJ was shit and its failure has nothing to do with women. It was a bad movie.

[@333AndMan]

I have seen The Last Jedi once and I still like it, definitely picking the blu-ray up for sure

[@HowdyFolksGaming]

I was very upset with Last Jedi after my first viewing. What I came to realize was that I wasn't unhappy with the film for what it _was_. Rather, I was upset for the film it _wasn't_. I spent two years writing episode eight in my head, and the movie we got wasn't that film. Once I accepted that, I went to a second viewing and watched the movie for what it was and...my gosh, I love the Last Jedi. It is incredible. It isn't the safe, boring Star Wars movie I and many others dreamt up in our heads. It's bigger. It's better. It's flawed, but so is literally every other film in the franchise. I'd rate it in my top three, if not my top two.

[@doomcos]

It’s good

[@jaygarrick8838]

I don’t like it because of fin and rose story and even Poe’s story and unfortunately that’s 70% of the movie...so I can’t give the movie more than a 30%

[@Rackhark]

It is a boring movie. The plot & story. Is that not boring? its just a stupid & SLOW cat & mouse game with subplots that has no meaning anyway. Including Rey & Lukes "training". I respect your opinion, & how you can get a 180 opinion like that, I do not understand, but still I respect it, if you respect mine.

[@stefanlindbom1585]

Howdy Folks! Gaming how much is disney paying you ?

[@zantinobustos]

Howdy Folks! Gaming mmm

[@gokinsmen]

Solo looks like a throwback to SW's roots as a fun space western. After all the Lord & Miller drama, it doesn't need to be great, just good and solidly entertaining. Low expectations could actually help in this case.

[@Dularr]

Ash must be closed minded. The people who dislike TLJ have been very clear and very vocal about why they dislike the movie. Now the people who love the movie, can't seem to explain why they like the movie without going to name calling and insults.

[@user-kt4cg2fn7l]

Dularr It goes both ways on both sides, I'd say. I've found extremes on my side and the other that just makes it frustrating to debate the film in a fun but fulfilling manner. Equal blame, I'd say.

[@Dularr]

No not really, just look at the click-bait title discussed in this episode. "JJ Abrams says people who dislike TLJ have a problem with powerful women." Despite what the actual question was, this headline messaging was clear - If you don't like TLJ you are anti-woman.

[@user-kt4cg2fn7l]

Dularr I can't speak for the way they title their videos. I'm guessing that comes from Kristian, even though he clearly doesn't like the film as much as Ash and Ken do. I was just talking more about the fans on both sides of the debate and how much vitriol there is. I see people I agree with name call, I see people I disagree with name call. It's terrible how toxic fandom can be a lot of the time.

[@Dularr]

All I can talk about is comments from the media. Kristian being wishy-washy. The hosts saying the movie is dense, implying the people who dislike the movie are stupid. Ken claiming the rottentomato scores are fake.

[@chriscorbett8715]

It's hard to take this show serious when they seem to never want to say anything that the movie studios take offence to. Sorry but I have a hard time thinking these guys liked TLJ. The movie was like going to a concert with your favorite band and the band playing none of their own songs and only covers to give you a "twist". It really did suck but not becuase I hate women but that the story...... character development sucked........... and just the choices they made through the movie. Like Acbar dieing like that. Can you imagine how much more powerful the suicide run would have been if it was Acbar that did It? But nope we get a chick we don't even know so we pretty much didn't care when she died. Just things like that............nut up guys and tell how you really felt about the movie!

[@krisj827]

At first I thought, yes Coogler would be good for Star Wars but I don't want him in this toxic fan base. He would probably crush it but Marvel Studios is a better partner than Lucasfilm.

[@AlanMartinez-bj7kw]

krisj827 I JUST SAID THAT, I like you man. That’s the truth at this point as a director you gotta think about all the risks you’re taking with getting on Board with the Toxic Star Wars fan base

[@Marveryn]

I think he a great director, I think he should do a stand alone. one of the side story that haven't been told that way he can have freedom to the story the way he likes

[@tomediagroup]

krisj827 couldn’t agree more.

[@BuckDat]

That's my most FAVORITE thing about the Last Jedi. The giant MIDDLE FINGER it's giving to the horseshit entitled man-children fans. (who will continue to watch and cry despite the movie being clear in its intent)

[@theactorsspace]

Great episode guys. Would love to see two councils a week.

[@Within_Cells_Interlinked]

Just once I’d like to hear from someone on the the Council who didn’t like TLJ.

[@hargibson18]

Fair enough.

[@supervillain2308]

Me too and I loved it

[@Ulghan]

They're not allowed to not like it.

[@ComandoPadentro]

putininka Why would you want that?

[@mattalexander7250]

Everyone on collider is up the backside of rian Johnson tbh

[@essexexile]

Kristian holds back what he’s really thinking. He still sees the problem with TLJ and the other two are nuts.

[@tampamovieguy8565]

I’m going to watch this show one more time, next week, and if they don’t stop fretting over every little complaint and don’t stop talking about everyone else’s opinion on trailers or TLJ or whatever, I’m done. There used to be a joy to this show. It’s become a bunch of anxious nail biting.

[@uaizler]

Great conversation today guys. @KenNapzok you killed me with your jokes today. @AshCrossan you are awesome i love when your are on #ColliderJediCouncil. @KristianHarloff you were good to ;P.

[@jaystone7587]

I disagree I thought when Alden said, "I bet you guys thought we would be fine, but we're fine, we're fine now," it was awesome, I just don't get how you think the acting was off. He delivered the line with a smirk and a wink just like Han would.

[@thebacons5943]

Jay Stone I mean I don’t see him saying that in anh the way he said it in the trailer. But hey, I’m rooting for him

[@jaystone7587]

Cool.

[@voidstar7920]

Jay Stone you think that sounds like Han? Harrison Ford would’ve said it in the way that you believe it, The lines in the trailer are delivered in a way that makes you believe he’s trying to convince himself of it as well. You can’t teach or fake charisma it could just be that his body language is off honestly but I’m not sure I just know to me it doesn’t seem like Han Solo. I hope this Han Solo movie is a hit too but we will have to wait and see.

[@LoganFerguson]

The entire problem with that scene is how it is edited, not how he says it. To be the most effective, it needs to cut from Han to someone else in that cockpit, who looks either relieved or skeptical, then back to Han to finish the line "we're fine now." then have the jump scare.

[@RaikenXion]

No i also dont like how he plays that, and that line in general. Its like hes trying too hard to be funny with that line.

[@Penny_playz_roblox]

Great to see Kylo Ken!

[@jaydenmaloney3579]

Really loving the debate between Kristian and Ken. Kristian who was a bit underwhelmed with TLJ and Ken who says its his 2nd favorite Star Wars film. They keep it civil and bring up effective points. How debate should be conducted. Cheers guys!

[@SuperCred1t]

After mulling it over for these months, Ive landed on last jedi not really doing it for me. But hey, I also really like Revenge of the Sith.

[@1978pq]

Pablo Limonta Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars movie.

[@jeffwylde1600]

Literally the last thing that I want from Ryan is a Star Wars film. He already has a billion dollar franchise at his fingertips of which he has ownership and total understanding of the world and characters. So, why would he leave? Seriously! Unless his absolute personal dream is to helm a Star Wars film, this makes no sense at all. Completing a Black Panther trilogy Spielberg style and mixing in smaller, socially conscious films in between would be the best thing for him. I really hate this Star Wars status attitude that feels like the equivolent of "political elitism" in which every filmmaker hasn't met their full potential until they've done a Star Wars film. Let's be real, at this point the MCU is just as much or more highly regarded than the Star Wars franchise. Times have changed.

[@tomediagroup]

Jeff Wylde really? He has Ownership? Does Marvel know?

[@barbenheimer736]

Well considering Feige wants Coogler back for the sequel plus saying Black Panther is the best film they've made.....

[@RajBauer]

The MCU shits on this new Star Wars regime. And the biggest reason is Kevin Feige versus Kathleen Kennedy

[@jeffwylde1600]

Creative ownership of the world and characters. Not actual ownership. The same way a James Gunn has ownership over the Guardians world, Coogler now has ownership of Wakanda.

[@LordDarthReaper13]

T.O. Media Studio ....he was referring to story and production bro

[@blackgrlfly]

Kathleen Kennedy is not gonna hire a black director. She doesn't even give a shit about poc in the films. They get sidelined, ridiculed, and their roles get diminished in favor of the white characters. She hardly ever addresses John Boyega and Rian Johnson made his character out to be a punching bag and a joke. Its is clear that Rian found it a burden to write for the character. Notice at 32:39 that Ken only mentions Rey when TFA was a film about Rey and Finn who was originally supposed to be a co-lead until Rian got in the picture. This show doesnt even acknowledge Finn so what would make them think Rian would join the franchise that is so under represented? He'd want to highlight people of color and Kathleen has no interest in showcasing black actors.

[@bettercallmaul5810]

Directors like Patty Jenkins, Ava Duvernay, and Ryan Coogler prefer making smaller, personal films. They’ve done big films like Wonder Woman, Wrinkle in Time, and Black Panther, in order to give them power moving forward. Now Jenkins and Coogler can make any film they want. They already have a Star Wars size hit on their resume.

[@barbenheimer736]

In Ryan Coogler's case it is literally a Star Wars size hit.

[@thecoolestguyinthecomments178]

If I had to speculate, I think the thing that Trevorrow said to Daisy that made her cry is that Rey is probably gonna be the one who reestablishes the New Jedi Order with force ghost Luke. And I don't think that's changing with JJ.

[@Darkus16]

STOP STOP STOP This notion of having great directors and throw them into the Star wars pit filled with a toxic fanbase that hates on directors that make creative decisions that help benefit the story and characters. Protect Ryan Coogler at all cost let him finish of his Black Panther trilogy, have him even create original stories and concepts of his own to reach him on to a new level of greatness. Coogler is a talented filmmaker and at the age of 31 has incredible potential but please dont have this notion of putting him in a star wars movie and kill his creativity with tentpole blockbusters.

[@jeffwylde1600]

I literally came here to make the exact SAME comment. I'm sick of the idea that Star Wars being the ultimate measuring stick of directorial status. You sir, are my spirit animal. haha

[@jordansherrick7297]

DariusM space milking and superman leia really helped the story along....

[@HydroBud98]

DariusM... What creative decisions benefited the story and characters? I don't even see how you can explain that.

[@Darkus16]

Jordan Sherrick Do not start with me my friend 1) Kylo Ren killing Snoke to become the Supreme Leader 2) Poe learning the hard way that blowing things up and going to battle every time is not a way to win a war and helps benefit him to take a leadership role. 3) Finn realising his role in this galaxy and learns not to run away every chance he gets, and mindless decisions such as sacrificing yourself to something pointless is not going to help the war. 4) Rey, Yoda and even R2D2 inspiring Luke to spark hope to the galaxy and the resistance by going out in the most Jedi way possible without even pulling out a lightsaber. 5) Kylo Ren revealing to Rey and also Rey herself realising she isn't part of this fantasy story she has dreamed about, knowing that she isn't part of some strong heritage and she can make herself into her own legend and maybe inspire a new generation. 6) Leia announcing to Luke that her son is gone meaning that Kylo has fully turned to the Dark side and there is no hope closing the door on the fact he is going to turn to the light side. for every dumb nonsesnical thing you pull is bring out something more don't play that dumb TLJ shit on me bro

[@Darkus16]

HydroBud98 look at my comment above buddy I explain it more than you can even combat it ;D

[@qswaefrdthzg]

How can anybody describe tlj as thick??? The whole resistance storyline had no substance and the conflicts were completely contrived Whilst the Luke Rey storyline was cut way too short and didn't manage to explore much beyond the surface layer, could have been great and "thick" if it had been given a bit more time and less jokes

[@hargibson18]

I don't really agree the resistance storyline had NO substance. I DO agree however that we should have spent more time with Rey and Luke than we did.

[@luckyday8522]

Hah "how can anyone describe this as 'thick'?" Goes on to describe a superficial understanding of the movie..

[@BuckDat]

I think he means thematically. Which I would agree. I think there was plenty of time between Luke and Rey. The meat to me was Rey and Kylo. Hell, just on the amount of movie ripoffs and references to film alone I would describe it as thick. I never cared about plot in the main Star Wars episodes. It was always about moments and cultural motifs. TLJ has plenty of those while still maintaining the appeal to children. If it no longer makes you feel like a kid as an adult watching it... you probably need to move on like the movie itself was pretty clear about.

[@qswaefrdthzg]

auxilliarydrain I do agree that the Luke/Kylo/Rey was storyline had its interesting moments. The exploration of the stagnation of dogma and the need for evolution was well-developed but it could have benefited from a bit more screen time. It was presented in an interesting way, though it was constantly undercut by misplaced slapstick comedy, I can chalk my dislike of porgs to having grown up but this is just bad writing. The "themes" in the resistance storyline were, however, so blatant and in my face that I just couldn't see past them. Go save the animals from bad capitalists, I completely agree but do you have to rub it in my nose so much... Rose's lovy-dovy message at the end tries to contrast Poe's action in the beginning but it was essentially what Finn was trying to do in the end, protecting what he had learned to appreciate over the course of the movie... In the end protecting what one loves can imply destroying what one hates, the message should have been more along the lines of "do not become what hates you" but they had to go with the Disney version of that line, which is a bit too open to interpretation and might be misconstrued as do not fight against what threatens you and your most profound believes which I would even regard as dangerous... And Holdo: we have to show our feminism by her treating Poe both as a stereotype and a piece of meat, in the process making her an incompetent commander... One can write the female heroine role well, e.g. Wonder Woman a movie a love, but this is just a bit too much propaganda for my taste... The movie has a few redeeming scenes but they don't save it from being too obviously moralistic in a way that none of the original six were nor from 2/3 of the movie's plot being useless and even less from the bad humour that destroyed many a potentially memorable scene

[@qswaefrdthzg]

Lucky Day I was just pissed at Riley for defending the movie as too "intellectual" and didn't really wanna expand on that point as I have in previous weeks. However, if you are interested in a bit more in-depth take look at the reply above this one :)

[@rljensen3]

Love the show. Anyone else notice video issues. Was compression bad today. It looked blurred and washed out

[@loriparnell5572]

I love Kristian's comments on a Vader movie. We have seen Anakin become Vader and Vader be the main villain in the original trilogy, but we haven't seen anything on film with Vader being the main character. I would love to see his journey after Revenge of the Sith.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

Lori Parnell They have a comic book series that picks up right after ROTS and it is really freaking awesome!

[@slimandsully8150]

KEN NAPZOK SHOULD BE A FORCE GHOST IN A 7/11 COMMERCIAL

[@hargibson18]

I wish I could up vote this more than once.

[@geoneo7238]

If Jedi Council invites a guest who will point out the flaws that half the movie going audience have noticed in "The Last Jedi". It would make for a great episode. Can you imagine all the views and comments?? I guarantee it would be their most viewed video ever. Just headline the video this way... "Why did The Last Jedi split the audience?"

[@gavincain9837]

geo neo never gonna happen unfortunately...they are too close to rian Johnson and disney

[@geoneo7238]

@gavin cain... They can if they defend their side of the argument. Only the guest would have to voice his/her negative opinion. I am just getting sick and tired of hearing one-sided praise for the Last Jedi when, in fact, half the movie going audience, including myself, didn't care for it. We need to see that happen on this show, which we faithfully tune in to watch every week.

[@luckyday8522]

I'm not sure we can make the generalization that half the audience didn't care for it. All the reliable data we have (Cinemascore, etc) pointed to the general audience being very satisfied with the movie. A section of the fanbase is certainly not happy with it, that's true, and they're very vocal about it.

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

geo neo The problem is half the movie going audience didnt have problems with the film. Half the hardcore FANDOM had issues, yes. But lets be real, only about 2 percent of people out there are SW nerds like us. So basically, about 1-2 percent of people who saw the film actually hated it/disliked it. The average movie goer actually loved this film (demonstrated by its box office performance and "A" rating on CinemaScore)

[@geoneo7238]

@Lucky Day ... Lol, forget about scores and forget fanboys for a second. Now honestly tell me this movie (TLJ) is not the most polarizing SW film ever?? Btw, Rotten Tomatoes has audience score down to 43% and IMDB score also drops every day.

[@anthonyfins7519]

Agree with Ken, hesitant to say it but TLJ may be my second favorite Star Wars film. Most emotionally resonant for sure, and when I feel so emotionally connected I’m okay forgiving some of the issues

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

Easy for me to say its my favorite, this movie was the closest to what inspired all of this stuff in the first place - Buddhism, Taoism, The Hero's Journey. These were the building blocks of SW and this film got to the meat and bones of it - "The Force is not a power you have ..." I think a lot of people needed to learn that!

[@geoneo7238]

I can't believe this panel has the audacity to say that they don't know the reasons why people don't like TLJ without giving an explanation. YOU GUYS ARE KZbin PERSONALITIES!! JUST TYPE IN SEARCH BAR... "WHY THE LAST JEDI SUCKED"

[@luckyday8522]

And you'll come up with a bunch of half-baked, poorly-researched '50 reasons why TLJ sucks' clickbait articles/videos that aren't factually accurate but designed to get clicks and feed the negativity. We're talking actual criticism, actual reasons.

[@geoneo7238]

@Lucky Day ... There are tons of videos posted from critics to regular movie goers. The point is you can find ALL the reasons why this movie split the audience. All you have to do is look.

[@luckyday8522]

Yes, I agree that if you search for negative views of the film you can find and receive validation from them, no doubt about it. And some of those criticisms are certainly legitimate. Many are factually inaccurate and easily disprovable, such as the claim of 'nothing from TFA is followed up in TLJ'. But the Council have noted their issues with TLJ, on many occasions, weekly I'd say. But overall they like it, as Ken says it's now up there with his faves. I share that opinion. As Star Wars fans we want to celebrate the community, not tear it down. To do that we have to move beyond "TLJ sucked".

[@ThatBunniBoi]

Or even look in your own comment section! There are so many reasons we don't like the last jedi!

[@TepidShark]

I don't think Kennedy would allow Coogler to create and more importantly say whatever he wanted. He would get that platform with Black Panther 2 (but ultimately up to him).

[@bradwright9477]

Kennedy let Rian Johnson create whatever he wanted. But that was so mixed that it will likely mean more overwatch on future directors

[@RajBauer]

Brad Wright except it’s because Kennedy was glad RJ was pushing agendas she wanted. She interferes on Rogue One and Solo so she’s 2/4. Coogler gets to work under Feige where he got the freedom to make the movie he wanted. Why the hell would he want to be under Kennedy who wouldn’t give him the same freedom. I would personally wait for her to leave.

[@bradwright9477]

Raghu Sharma Pushing agendas? Don't start spewing conspiracies. Rogue One ended up being fantastic so whatever they did worked

[@RajBauer]

Brad Wright how is that a conspiracy, she clearly liked the direction he was taking it which was in line with her own. She interfered with RO and I thought it was just okay. If you notice the fact that they diminished so many characters roles like Forest Whitaker’s and the fact that the trailers are nothing like the movie then you know massive changes were made. I didn’t hate RO or anything, I thought it was a decent one time watch, way better than TLJ but that’s not my point. My point is she interferes with the movie making process and would probably screw with the movie Coogler would want to make so I hope he stays away until she’s gone and tbh I don’t think he cares about Star Wars anyways. These type of speculation always get brought up by Jedi Council when a director has an amazing film.

[@luckyday8522]

Well Marvel stumbled a bit while establishing their 'bigger picture'. They didn't have anything near the critical/financial success that SW has had in their first 3 ventures. Something to think about. If all 3 films were critically panned and bombed at the BO they might want to change tactics, but that's just not the case.

[@iamgroot2654]

I look so forward to this show each week. So good to see Ken and Ash here.

[@Sideout1000]

Sorry Ken, but The Last Jedi is not dense. It's bad screenwriting at its finest. The number one reason why people don't like The Last Jedi is because it doesn't respect the characters and mythology that came before it.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

It’s just a bad movie. Period. Yeah it looks pretty but the script is dreadful. Absolutely dreadful. Plot holes and inconsistencies, contrivances, unclear motivations, cheesy as hell, overly long without any right to be. The people who like it just *want* to like it because this is the only Episode 8 we’ll get. None of those people can actually give you a reason for why they like it, they’re in denial and try to rectify it by just saying platitudes like „it’s dense“ or „it’s layered“. No, it’s none of those things it’s just a lot of style with very little substance. Just because the film‘s pretty, has „moments“ and is supposedly „edgy“ and „bold“ doesn’t equal it’s a good film. The only thing bold about TLJ is that is as bad as it is.

[@straightouttaalderaan6672]

+Paul O‘Donovan if reason is provided you get told it's wrong. Plenty of people have reason but they're done talking about it with people who are so wound up of a SW movie.

[@luckyday8522]

Because *they feel* it doesn't respect characters or mythology. To many it does respect those things. Sometimes you have to take things off of pedestals to truly understand and appreciate them. Luke's actions, for example, are perfectly in line with his established character. I'm not sure what other mythology people felt was disrespected.

[@Joejeh68]

That made me lose a bit of respect for Ken.

[@SPIDER-VIDEOS]

Is Ken under the influence of a powerful dark lord to be so deep in denial?

[@ChristopherZubin]

My mixed feelings about The Last Jedi are more to do with the new trilogy being more of a reboot than I was hoping for. I was hoping for more of a sequel trilogy that would have dealt with what came next after Return of the Jedi. Instead, The Force Awakens gives us a new chosen one (nobody important), a new empire (unexplained), a new dark lord (somewhat contradicting the previous two trilogies). The Last Jedi skirts these issues then clears the table making it a somewhat frustrating experience.

[@TheEternalEast]

Christopher Zubin it feels like nothing really happened in the last Jedi.. except for luke and snoke dying so it made it seem like their deaths weren't even worth it

[@ChristopherZubin]

streetsamurai A lot happens in The Last Jedi, but because few of the major plot advances are related to what was set-up in The Force Awakens it can feel like not a lot happens. For instance, Rey, and who she is is of great interest to Kylo Ren - Snoke in The Force Awakens. Maz asks Han "who's the girl" we don't see his answer because we follow Rey as she has a vision, and though Luke's 5 minute stare is left purposely ambiguous he didn't seem to be stuck in uffish thought. But all that was a red herring, well, Snoke knew the light side would pop out someone to counter him, I guess. that's how balance works right? powerful darkness and powerful light I guess if there's only the light side that's bad too. What happened to the Dark Side being unnatural and the Light side being balance. I dunno anymore. All of these things were left half done on purpose by J.J., I'm guessing because LucasFilm didn't want to box in the next movie, which wasn't even started then but they're still half done in VIII and here we are. ...sorry for ranting.

[@navrotron22]

I’ve only seen TLJ once and that was on opening night, and I almost walked out of the theater 3 times. I will never watch it again, let alone buy it.

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

Clearly the WORST of SW movies - trust me when I say NO ONE actually liked TLJ and all those "box-office" numbers are just a BS media spin by DISNEY to convince people to buy the blu-ray. Boycott TLJ with me Anthony!!!!! Boycott all SW until they bring back SNOKE as a super-saiyan and make LUKE an OG badass like LUCAS did!!!!

[@wilderfox2]

I thought when Han was like it was bad for a second but its fine we're fine, i thought that did feel like Han

[@hargibson18]

Agreed. Its that on the edge of total failure vibe I would want from Han, and honestly from Star Wars in general. Empire is filled with that.

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

Yeah, I think it's a very Han kind of thing to do. Even when he doesn't know what he's doing, or going to do, Han isn't going to let you see that. He will just pretend he has it all under control.

[@ThatBunniBoi]

I disagree. He seemed timid, and not very charismatic and overly confident like he used to be. I feel like he should've said something more along the lines of "See? I've got everything under control".

[@justinmuller9294]

I would really like to see Coogler do a smaller scale Star Wars film that could get more award recognition in the way that Logan did.

[@bradwright9477]

I think an Kenobi film could be exactly that!

[@cloudystorm7314]

Rod Diaz you’re high

[@cloudystorm7314]

Rod Diaz no i just find it funny that you're angry over something that isn't true and it makes you look high because of the pointless book you just wrote

[@cloudystorm7314]

Rod Diaz yes keep typing away my friend

[@cloudystorm7314]

Rod Diaz jokes on you. I don't know what a bigot is and I don't know what Jim Crowe Laws are. But you are wrong. Star Wars does not have sjw or anything like that

[@mikesmoviemadness24]

I want a Witcher style Star Wars Game, set in The Old Republic. You have a light side story and a dark side story, both of which would be canon stories. That way they can get Revan back into canon, maybe even bring in other Old Republic characters into canon, which would spawn a whole new line of canon novels, bringing back old writers from legends to write new stories in this new canon.

[@joshuaschaller4400]

Thank you for being TLJ voice of reason Kristian

[@AcbLynn132]

Josh S i know. He is saving this show from becoming yes men for disney

[@LasVegasGuitarStudio]

The number one reason TLJ failed with half the fans is because of how Luke was treated. This was the one chance for Luke to kick major ass and display his power after growing it for 30 years. There was a huge appetite for this and not only did it not happen, but it was prevented from happening in 9.

[@ThatBunniBoi]

And the one dimensional characters. That's number one for me.

[@sanglay914]

I need my Ken Napzok fix

[@harrymonk70]

Do you listen to his podcact: Forcecenter?

[@jaredbennett7677]

I think Mark would do great for a post Jedi animated show. As a skilled voice actor i think he could pull it off better than JEJ did in R1, and there were lots of snippets of Jedi era Luke in TLJ, i thought. It might take a bit of extra work, either by Hamill or in some kind of post, but i do think it's doable.

[@andrecannon8559]

Avoid Star wars like the plague. A message to all directors. It is becoming the new DCEU. Sad to say

[@tomediagroup]

How, exactly? You being the expert and all, please elaborate.

[@stellacarpenter4480]

T.O. Media Studio The fan base is way too involved. And they never stop complaining. That is why Warner Bros are too scared to let a creative director create something new. Warner Bros ends up panicking they reshoot. And the movie comes out horrible.

[@andrecannon8559]

Stella Carpenter I think WB should be producer driven like MCU. Being Director driven is what started their issues with Man of Steel. Then they doubled down on Zach's vision for DCEU with BvS, then after mixed reviews execs scrambled to do reshoots with no true vision while Justice league was already set to film and Suicide Squad was already done. Kinda hard to switch from Director driven to executive by committee driven mid stream. They actually need a separate studio division and a Head honcho like Kevin Feige with a cohesive vision. Then they could use creative directors and give them broad stroke parameters to meet in order to maintain cohesive storylines and overall "tone" for lack of a better word. If creative directors know certain boundaries then they are able to be creative and work their magic as long as they hit specified objectives in conjunction.

[@stellacarpenter4480]

Andre' Cannon Everything you said is kind of true but a big part of their problems came with the overexposure of their characters. Yes, maybe having very popular characters gives you a boost in sales. But it leaves you open to a lot of scrutiny and criticism. Don't you think it's weird that amongst the four studios Warner Bros, Fox, Sony and Disney. Warner Bros had the Justice League characters. Fox had the X-Men. And Sony had Spiderman and his surrounding cast. What I am saying is back before Movies made comic book heroes. Into what they are today my uncle said that the other studios had the famous heroes. But in my opinion less scrutiny gave the chance for the Avengers to thrive. Where as Warner Bros was scrutinized. Fox and Sony had the same treatment. I mean do you really believe that every Marvel/Disney movie is perfect. No but if they were one of the more famous characters the critic's of every bad movie would probably have already destroyed the marvel universe. Or maybe I am just exaggerating.

[@ssdaaFaf2]

Woah woah I wouldn't say SW is THAT bad to be compared to the DCEU. Lol

[@martinjrgensen8234]

I just love hearing Kristian talk about his daughter. It is just endearing, and you can see the love he has for her.

[@paulabolstein1328]

Right with Ken! The layers of Last Jedi are what I love the most!

[@datbenji4684]

Ash's reaction at 47:04 when ken mentions porgs is perfect

[@someletters5032]

He has no bad movies, it doesn't deserve him, unless he wants to lol

[@zachleak3101]

If it wasn't for Ken I would stop watching Jedi Council. I'm getting really tired of all the TLJ hate and don't understand it. It's a great film and did what many fans wanted...was unique and did not rehash like TFA did in many ways. Is it a perfect film? No, of course not but not many films are. I personally love both films and appreciate both LucasFilm and Rian Johnson for giving us something truly unique and for taking chances that I don't think many filmmakers would have (ahem JJ). For me TLJ ranks right behind ANH and ESB as the best three Star Wars flims ever made. I also think the film will age just like ESB did. I have memories of many people saying how boring ESB was and how stupid it was to put a Muppet in a live action Star Wars film. Now its rightly applauded as not only a great Star Wars film but one of the best films of all time. I am excited by the prospect of Rian creating his own Star Wars trilogy and not being boxed in by decisions out of his creative control.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

I would put money on a force ghost battle in IX. Ghost Luke vs Ghost Snoke. I would fall over laughing. I also lolled that Ash and Ken poo pooed on changes to “how things work” considering how much TLJ changed. Double standards yall. :D

[@nanoblue14]

Ash Rendar needs to be a regular, love her analysis and imput on the Star Wars universe! You can tell she's a fan and states her points both clearly and thought provokingly without rambling. Keep up the good work!!

[@TopCheeseBarDown]

Sounds like Ash isn’t listening to what people’s problems are. Lots of people discussing legitimate reasons. Canto Bight plot wasted all of our time and was on the prequel level (in a bad way) especially with that terrible chase scene. All the new characters were pointless and we could have used better development with the characters we loved from TFA. The way Luke was jokey the entire movie was very out of character and felt like a marvel joke machine. Those are just a few issues. I have many more.

[@luckyday8522]

Well cool that's your opinion, not fact. The CB plotline was not pointless, nor were the new characters. Maybe dig a bit deeper into the movie (themes, arcs) and you'll find why people appreciate those things you found pointless.

[@HydroBud98]

Lucky Day... Hahahahahahahaha!!! Wow...

[@luckyday8522]

Im happy to have tickled you so.

[@avonbarksdale91]

Clark Zuckerberg the jokes were really bad. Luke dusting his shoulder off SMH

[@luckyday8522]

hah that was pretty funny, but it wasn't a joke. It was meant to stoke the anger in Kylo so that he would go down and face him.

[@stefanvanschaick]

Good insight on the "NOOOO" scene. Will look at it differently now.

[@j4242]

I'm the opposite of Kristian. I own TFA and (while I love it) I have not watched it once. I cannot wait to get TLJ, I am going to watch it over and over. TLJ just gets better for me. Yeah, I'm with Ash...when are people gonna stop screaming and start talking. I mean, okay, don't like a movie, but the vitriol is just still through the roof which I just do not understand or think is warranted. And, I'm with Ken re Alden...I am feeling his swagger. I think he'll pull it off. I hope the unreasonable haters don't pile on him. Re: Coogler, I'd LOVE to see his SW film! Give me that character development. Yeahhhh, lets talk ships... :D haha

[@tomcapone5993]

The issue with Battlefront is microtransactions. We don't want to pay for the game twice just to get everything in the game, and we don't want to have to play the game for 200 hours to unlock everything.

[@matthewcostello1487]

I’ve only seen the last Jedi once and I’m thinking that might’ve been too much

[@thebacons5943]

Gets way better with multiple viewings...

[@matthewcostello1487]

The Bacons that’s one mind trick I won’t be falling for

[@thebacons5943]

Matthew Costello ok. Your loss

[@n2nother]

Cool story, bro.

[@RajBauer]

Completely agree I guess it wasn’t that dense for us who understand the basic storytelling that was TLJ

[@sjbaker85]

Another great episode guys.

[@The_blindpizzaguy1300]

I never like the idea that heroes can’t make mistakes, because in my opinion that also sends the wrong message. And I think if we would have gotten the movie that everyone seems to really one out of the last Jedi that message would have not been able to be expressed in a way that was understandable. If you noticed everyone in the movie makes a mistake and the message is there is consequences for it, but there is a way you can learn from it so that you don’t make it again.

[@gavincain9837]

Alex Williamson'sadventures the movie was a mistake and there will be consequences

[@The_blindpizzaguy1300]

Perhaps maybe in your opinion. As for everybody that like the film it’s not going to hurt us any. You can always choose not to watch it you know!

[@The_blindpizzaguy1300]

The film was a triumph to me. And it holds a very special place in my heart because it really help me through one of the darkest times in my life. I think The reason why I enjoyed it so much was because it was so unpredictable. And I like that in a movie. I don’t like a storyline where there is too much fan service, or if you can guess the ending before it actually happens. It’s just the way my lifestyle is. I feel the same way about television, Music, and books too. I want a story to have lots of twists and turns that make it unique and the last Jedi delivered every bit of that for me.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

Luke tried to save Darth fucking Vader from the dark side but just decides to kill his young nephew for thinking about it!? The only thing realistic about that mistake is that Rian Johnson has no fucking clue who Luke Skywalker really is. Fuck anyone who thinks that garbage idea is “realistic”.

[@The_blindpizzaguy1300]

First of all chill out! Gosh! Secondly you did not listen to what Luke was saying in that scene in the movie. He wasn’t trying to prevent the thoughts from coming into his mind, they were already there in formulated into a plan scheduled for execution in less than 12 hours. The corruption had already happened by that point. This left him with a very difficult choice, he could’ve killed him then and been done with it, or he could’ve waited and let them kill him and everyone else. The decision that he made was to creep in with the saber and then he realized too late that that was the wrong move. He had no intention of murdering him he was going to use the saber as a negotiation tool.

[@Ty-vf3kf]

This is always the best crew on Jedi Council. I wish it was Harloff, Ash and Ken every week

[@stevestark1218]

Is anyone else having issues with the quality it's streaming in sd

[@johndelong7795]

Steve Stark yes! I thought it was my WiFi lol

[@benvernick]

Yeah it’s weird it won’t even play at all on my Apple TV, but it’s very fuzzy on my iPhone.

[@Mads97415]

The only thing I genuinely hate about TLJ is how much it has made this fandom so toxic and divided all of us. It makes being a Star Wars fan way less fun and makes me feel like I am such a criminal for liking it. I can see why people have issues with this movie and I think that's fine and I respect y'alls opinions. Why can't some of y'all respect mine. (and that also is directed to people who like the movie harassing those who don't like it. Let's just respect each others opinions and movie on.)

[@RedfurredPikachu]

But the sad truth is this side of the fandom has always existed, it's just that now someone decided to truly stick to his guns and give us a different Star wars movie than were used to, and this side of the fandom dose'nt like that, I always knew it was going to happen after the force awakens ended. The true colors of the hardcore fanbase is showing.

[@jad52784ify]

Kristian, I know body language and I know you want to say more about what you dislike in the last jedi, you are not alone, let it out man you are stressing me out because it's clear you want to criticize the movie more.

[@straightouttaalderaan6672]

Bahahah that's a low as it gets. You're craving the drama. PLEASE KRISTIANNN HATE IT LIKE MEEEEE PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

[@CHANNEL3YOUTUBE]

IMO, people are less critical of Glover's portrayal of Lando than they are Ahrenreich's portrayal of Han...because the movie isn't called "Lando", it's called "Solo". So, naturally all eyes will be on the main character of the story.

[@tampamovieguy8565]

TLJ is my second favorite Star Wars movie. I’ve seen them all in theaters starting in 1977.

[@luckyday8522]

I'm hopefully optimistic about Ep.9, tho nothing I've seen from Terrio or Abrams shows signs that it could be as stunning and thematically fulfilling as The Last Jedi. At least he's working from a completed script this time, so it won't feel like they're making it up as they go along like TFA and R1.

[@depe4515]

Kristian is so wrong about the fan divide. If you look at any credible professional survey/poll, it's about 90% approval among audiences casual and hardcore fans. He's focusing too much on the negative, with the audience reception and the movie itself. I haven't heard him say anything positive about the movie, and he apparently likes it. If he likes it, why is he just focusing on complaining about it? There's your wishy washy problem solved. Stop being so negative. Ignore the vocal minority. Focus on what you enjoy about it. Done. And Kristian saying he's seen a lot of people voice their dislike for the film reasonably... Dude what? I haven't seen a single proper criticism of this film at all. It's all knee-jerk reactionary, childish, insulting, judgmental, condescending towards the film makers and the audience that enjoyed it. Just goes to show again that the divide is not there. Kristians been annoying me so much lately because supporting this people is being part of the problem. You're making Collider an open invitation for negativity, and the Collider audience is showing that. It's seriously the most toxic audience of all my favourite movie channels, BY FAR

[@luckyday8522]

He's in a tough spot. We know more than anyone at Collider Kristian reads the comments, and is actively trying to not be hated by fans. It must be exhausting constantly walking on egg shells. He saw what happened to Ellis when he proclaimed his love for the movie, the whole community turned on him. And now he wisely stays away from Council. He's trying to play the fair guy, the down-the-middle guy. Haters will claim it's because he secretly despises the movie, fans of TLJ will say that he's only sticking to his established rating of 4/5. It's kind of a lose-lose, but no doubt about it the toxicity has hit him in a bad way.

[@depe4515]

TPM was never critically acclaimed. Audiences loved it at first. Big difference. Critics, other film professionals LOVE TLJ and so do audiences. Sharknado films achieve exactly what they are meant to achieve.

[@lisamccannajensen9464]

Christian you have a 6 yr old daughter and still can't see TLJ with the eyes of a child? You have to put the man-baby-fan thing aside to see it through a child's eyes. It was made for kids. The depth however iOS for smart, thoughtful adults. It's inly too dense for those fans who can't see past what they wanted and didn't get, to see what IS given to kids to grow with (and eventually totally understand the themes and under belly and importance of this film. The old films don't hold up as much as folks say if you go back and watch them today, (although still and always beloved), even giving credit to the effects being great for that time and ground breaking but the performances not great and the scripts themselves, really just ok. TLJ will stand the test of time however because it was a good movie not just a Star Wars movie. And like the OT, is was written for kids. But instead of you and others seeing it that way, the parts that are more for kids are what the man-baby fans hate

[@kevina7576]

A open world Star Wars game where you can be a Jedi, Sith, or part of the the resistance or first order would be awesome. I'll never leave my house

[@fredpilch8105]

OK as a very long time fan as I was 17 when the first movie came out, and then had to resort to reading 100's of books to get my Star Wars fix, between the extremely long wait for a movie to come out. First, I was pissed after my first viewing of the TLJ, then saw it two days later and came out, kind of understanding, and now can't wait for the home release. I believe, if you watch multiple times you pick up more and more and appreciate what is presented. Those that hate are just that, narrow minded hatters.

[@Dularr]

TLJ is not dense. TLJ is simplistic post-modernism. Nothing special, nothing bold.

[@supervillain2308]

You don't know what post-modernism is

[@tomediagroup]

Dularr don’t use big words. You’ll give yourself a stroke...

[@Dularr]

It's classic post-modernism. Kill the past, let it die.

[@Dularr]

Hollywood is in a nihilism slump now.

[@straightouttaalderaan6672]

I like Jordan Peterson too but chill on the "PM"

[@roshieifra]

I've loved all of Ryan Coogler's films. Does that automatically mean he should do star wars? No. It depends on what story they're telling, Coogler's passion for the project, the tone they're going for, etc. Ryans directing style, even with black Panther, is really grounded, delving into the underbelly of the real world. If that's where star wars is going, it'd be interesting, and I'd like to see it.

[@tampamovieguy8565]

The Star Wars fan base is only toxic if you let it be. If you ignore the negative comments, it’s still a wonderful place to be.

[@frozunyogert6159]

I agree with Kristian. In 2015 into 2016, it was so exciting to be a Star Wars fan. Now it’s become kind of a drag.

[@VirtusoftNI]

Ha! There actually is a "Rian Johnson Explains..." feature on the DVD!

[@VirtusoftNI]

"...they don't stop getting shit-faced throughout the pregnancy; When it's old enough they sell the sprog to some space slug to buy death sticks and then one day, without ever having any training, she becomes the most powerful jedi ever. Then she lifts some rocks."

[@OfficialFinalRound]

Simon Smith so Luke was able to curve the laser blast into the vent shaft to blow up the first Death Star wasn’t a big freaking stretch? Luke just learned about the force the same damn day they got captured in the Death Star! He was beside himself with anger when obi wan died but was stoic when his uncle and auntie were murdered and burned too death. Yea it set him on his path to be a Jedi but he wasn’t angry when they died like he was when this old man he knew nothing about died! Everyone was amazed with Kylo stopping a laser blast in mid air but Luke did it with no training and just finding out about the force the day before! Oh yea he didn’t have those same powers in Empire because vadar was throwing crap at him and he had no idea how to stop it. Vadar senses Luke is strong with the force in the trench run but doesn’t sense it in Leia?!?!?!? REALLY?!?!?!? Someone that’s able to force choke a man to death in Vadar needed a drug needle to interrogate Leia?!?!? Really dude?!?!? That spits in the face of Sith/Jedi lore!

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

OfficialFinalRound Um sweetheart, Luke didn’t duel Darth Vader and win his first go-‘round.

[@luckyday8522]

I have a feeling it still won't help!

[@shanecanavan8132]

On the topic of Kristian being unsure whether his daughter will respond to TLJ. Obviously I cant answer that, but the 3rd time I saw it my 2 little cousins came, about the same age. Honestly they were in-awe. They said they wanted to watch all the movies again, then ran around the movie theatre playing with invisible lightsabers. From my experience the movie does gear toward kids

[@rohan2utbe]

It’s sad to see how toxic the fan base has become. It’s to the point where it doesn’t feel fun talking about Star Wars anymore.

[@MultiBum123]

Honestly bro just stay away from the comment sections there are a lot of assholes in here

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

rohan2utbe It's about as bad as the DC vs Marvel crap.

[@hargibson18]

Its just totally unnecessary. I personally am quite passionate about politics, and this is how that has always been to discuss and stay involved with. I used to LOVE coming to my big Star Wars family to get away from that toxic atmosphere, unfortunately it seems to have carried over at the moment.

[@rohan2utbe]

MultiBum123 yeah I think I might have to man

[@rohan2utbe]

Harrison Gibson Same here man I agree 100%

[@GrimmjawJack]

This was first mention of Ballistic on Collider, congratz Ken! I really like this movie!

[@andylikesstuffchannel]

Epic Ken Singing Spice Girls

[@louiewilliamson1062]

21:09. Plenty of people have explained in great detail why they had issues with the last Jedi.... just type in the last Jedi review in your search bar on KZbin... you will be given many reasons why people didn’t like it. On another note I think Ryan coogler would be a good choice for the Obi-wan movie! He is great with building deep characters.

[@murshedghani3648]

Is Ash on another planet? There are hundreds of videos on KZbin giving really good reasons why the film is soooo terrible

[@hargibson18]

This comment from this video should be proof enough of the toxicity she refers to. It is not unique. "No one is complaining about this you shills! Episode 9 sucked and the fact that you can't get through any Jedi Council podcast and not be able to get to the agenda without constantly reinforcing you're failing position that somehow this was a good movie is pathetic. Stop it with the straw man arguments."

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Murshed Ghani She ignores it. She really does.

[@RajBauer]

Yup she just chooses to ignore the legitimate criticisms. People who ignore these critiques are the ones who aren’t the true Star Wars fans. If you love a franchise this dearly, then when things don’t make sense you should be angry about those inconsistencies not defending them 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@CJ-uf6cc]

Murshed Ghani omfg god forbid people don’t share the same opinion as you 🙄🙄🙄

[@RajBauer]

Cyle J no one says she doesn’t get to have her own opinion. People like her get bashed because they use comments like “people just hate it and give no reasons why” as her statement of not getting why people hate it. She is just ignoring the legitimate criticisms, which is fine if she doesn’t have them herself but when people say stuff like that they deserve to get bashed. I find it hard to believe that over the course of the last two months that’s all she has heard when it comes to the complaint. I actually find that the people who don’t like it offer up valid complaints and the people who just blindly love it call people the haters. So there are obvious problems on both sides and imo more so on the people who blindly love it than hate it

[@SalsaPie]

Everyone on Rebels really needs to be involved in the live action films. They know how to make Star Wars, and I completely agree that Filoni is the heir apparent. Everything from the music, to the animation, to the story and lore in Rebels as of late has been perfect in my opinion. We could use more of it in Star Wars overall.

[@IandiBoats]

Episode 8 may be the only Star Wars movie I don't purchase. Still not over how they treated the character of Luke. Only if JJ redeems the plot in ep. 9. May the force be with us. Always :-)

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

If you're a true SW nerd like myself I recommend reading The Hero's Journey by Joseph Campbell (or at least watch a video where someone breaks it down). This is the book that inspired Lucas to create SW. It will help you understand Luke's character in the film and the entire franchise to be honest.

[@IandiBoats]

Hi Aaron. Yes I'm pretty familiar with Joseph Campbell's work. I got into him in the 90's. It's not the principal of the sacrifice, its the execution in the film. In my opinion Luke wouldn't go into exile to die. Call it fan service if you choose, I wanted to see him wield a light saber one last time. :-) RJ just didn't care about the continuity of the story, he just wanted to do his thing. He was trying to be deep and shock people. Trying to make an art house film instead of a popcorn flick. His choice but I don't have to continue to support it. I hope JJ returns to form. Peace and blessings my friend.

[@ZachBobBob]

I know people that didn't like the movie HATE hearing this, but you really should watch it again with hindsight. Not that you need to see a movie twice to enjoy it, but rewatching movies with a different perspective always helps. I love some movies I used to dislike after rewatches.

[@IandiBoats]

Zach Gerrity I saw it 3 times. I enjoyed it more after subsequent viewings, I simply don't get his treatment of Luke. If he was going to die at least let him go out fighting instead of that galaxy-wide Jedi mind trick LOL

[@IandiBoats]

Zach Gerrity FYI I've seen every modern theatrical released at least 5 or 6 times :-) #superfan

[@LoganFerguson]

Matthew Wood who revealed that the famous [Wilhelm scream] sound effect was not used in Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which marks the first time in the history of the beloved sci-fi series that we haven't heard someone belt out the distinctive scream. So why the change? According to Wood, it's like Kylo Ren says; "It's time to let the past die." Here's what Wood had to say about it. "In this movie, we decided to move from the Wilhelm scream. We're letting the past die, as Kylo Ren says."

[@papigrande4378]

Hey guys. Why don’t you go through the comments and actually address some of the fans problems with TLJ. Start with mine, which deals with the skill level of Rey. This his not only TLJ but TFA also. How is she so powerful that she can challenge the most seasoned of Jedi? It seems to me to be completely absurd considering that the Luke, the greatest Jedi to ever live as per George Lucas, was no match for anyone until he was trained. I believe JJ left that to be addressed in TLJ but Rian Johnson blew the whole thing up and tossed it away. I still think JJ can bring that back and solve it in episode 9. But if he fails to do this it will be a big issue to plague this trilogy forever.

[@hargibson18]

Is Luke not pretty powerful/capable/talented in A New Hope? A kid who grew up on a moisture farm on Tatooine, with no combat experience, flies an X-Wing straight at the Death Star (the most heavily armoured and guarded place in the galaxy, besides Palpatine himself perhaps) and blows it up. I mean, bulls-eye all the wamprats you want in your T-16 that isn't gonna prepare you for a space battle for the fate of the rebellion and galaxy over the death star. INCLUDING, Darth Vader himself joining the battle. I know that isn't quite the same thing you're taking about, but I think it is also fairly unrealistic given his level of training compared to what Biggs or Wedge surely had prior to the battle.

[@n2nother]

When was he trained? He beat Vader in Jedi after three days of training with Yoda. He doesn't go back to Yoda until after he rescues Han and he was already calling himself a Jedi. So when did he train and who with?

[@papigrande4378]

Harrison Gibson Star Wars has made it pretty clear that those who are force sensitive are far more gifted than those who are not. So everything you stated Falls in that catagory. The point I'm making is not the same.

[@papigrande4378]

Sean Mesler He was tried by force ghosts of Yoda and Obi-Wan.

[@hargibson18]

Right, Rey is also force sensitive sooo could that not also kinda explain the issues with Rey you have? She's just a VERY gifted person, the Michael Phelps of force sensitives. I understand what you're saying, but if you can say "the force" for Luke then why can't you say "the force" for Rey. The movie is the Force Awakens, clearly refers to Rey. Snoke and Kylo even discuss this numerous times over 7 and 8. "Darkness rises, and light to meet it"

[@davehallid5575]

They should make the Kenobi movie loosely follow the No Country for Old Men plot line where, like Chigurh and Bell, the protagonist and antagonist never meet, but the atrocities of the villain (Vader in our case) make the hero (Obi Wan) realize it's just past his time, and the world has grown darker than the one he knew. It would maintain continuity of the "when I left you I was but a learner" line; it would provide that look at Anakin fully becoming the Vader we see in OT; and it would honestly be emotionally interesting and complex.

[@sethowen8107]

Ash is so delightful.

[@sethowen8107]

Rod Diaz wow you’re so right. My white privilege is why I love this movie

[@gavincain9837]

Lol a pretty face and empty head..in awe of any celebrity that gives her attention...bit like collider

[@telademise]

After Episode 8, I had a crisis of fandom, and I still do. Had no idea what to expect from 7 and enjoyed it but felt it was one step forward two steps back as far as the story telling went. I had expectations (like everyone) of what may happen in the 8. What we got was the worse possible answers that they could have given us. Now, I try to avoiding think or seeing anything Star Wars related. I'll probably see 9 but not opening day or week like I have since Episode 1.

[@satsuinohado2159]

The Last Jedi was simply a bad and boring movie, the characters were not used properly and his handling of such a beloved character like Luke was poor.

[@darth_kal-el]

Sav Mert wrong.

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

I'm under the assumption you are not a huge SW fan or SW nerd like myself. But on the off-chance you are - check out The Hero's Journey by Joseph Campbell (the book that inspired Lucas to create SW). If you are able to understand the text (which draws heavily from Eastern philosophy/religion like Taoism and Buddhism) then you will come to understand TLJ and especially Luke's character.

[@SPIDER-VIDEOS]

Sav Mert correct

[@not2sharpmd]

I think the best thing I can say about this show is this: Since I’ve started watching way back before TFA, I’ve always gauged my opinions on Star Wars based on Kristian. If he liked something then I thought it was good for Star Wars and if he disliked it, I thought it was bad for Star Wars. However, I’m finally pleased to announce that I can disagree with him when it comes to The Last Jedi and it makes me want to talk to him and explain my point of view. And that’s the best thing about this show. It makes me want to go talk to other people about Star Wars! Since I’ve watched this show for so long, it has allowed me to develop my own opinions and keep the discussion alive. Thanks!

[@LoganFerguson]

The more I think about it, the more I'd rather rewatch the prequels (yes, even the Jar Jar episode) than TLJ, simply because those are more fun.

[@AaronWatkinsEKSELAN]

Well said! TLJ make my brain hurt. I just want a movie to make me laugh and go oooohhhh ... aaahhhh. I don't want to think and actually reflect on my life when I see a movie for crying out loud. Get back to the basics of shoot-em-up, slasher fun!!! More light sabers! More battle scenes! Luke should've just force blasted all those guerrilla walkers! Would've been so much better than "inspiring the galaxy with hope" BS. And no ignite the green - stupid! Snoke should've killed crybaby Ben Solo and ridiculous OP Rey. Then we could've gotten Super Snoke vs OG Luke in 9! Imagine if they did like a super-saiyan version of Snoke!!!!! That wouldve been so awesome! But now we all have to deal with this emotional crap about feelings and legacy and hope and AAAAAAHHHHH it makes my head hurt!!! SW going soft! Disney killing the franchise! Hopefully JJ comes back and just starts blowing s*** up!!!!!!! Rey vs crybaby Kylo death-match!!!!!!!!! Force ghosts vs sith ghosts final battle scene lets gooooooo!!!!!

[@residenttdk007]

Give Gordy Haab a film! His musical work in both Battlefront games is absolutely incredible.

[@andylikesstuffchannel]

Time for Ken to take over Darth Harloff as a Guest Ken loves Star Wars understands its not just a Blockbuster

[@martinjrgensen8234]

EA has seriously mishandled the Star Wars license. Only 2 Battlefront games? Seriously that is what you managed to do in 5 years? Shame on you. Lucasfilm needs to split the license out amongst more game studios. Hand the rpg bits to CD projekt Red, find a studio to make a new xwing game, and so on.

[@williamQUIQUEREE1]

Its moronic to hate the film just for pushing a female agenda. But you cannot deny it subtly exists. Poe, Finn, Luke, Kylo, Hux, DJ are all written as hot-headed loosers. While Rey, Holdo, Paige, Leia, Rose are all portrayed as flawless heroes. “The force is female” - Kathleen Kennedy I have no problem with more females characters, but make it seem natural like Black Mirror. The female characters in TLJ feel a bit forced. (Pun intended)

[@luckyday8522]

None of those female characters you mentioned were flawless, that's your prejudices getting the best of you man. Yes, it's often the case where hot-headed men need to learn to just sit back and let the ladies handle it, that's definitely a thing in this movie. But the men also all get great hero moments at the end after they've grown and matured, don't forget that. The whole 'force is female' thing is taken out of context, it was said at a gathering of young women. SW has always been a tremendously male-dominated (both with fans and characters) franchise, so some legwork is necessary to level the field a bit if SW is to remain relevant in our culturally progressive world.

[@williamQUIQUEREE1]

Lucky Day Politics and personal agendas (progressive or conservative) don’t belong in Star Wars. Like I said, I have no problem with more female characters but don’t just do it so you can appear progressive. No matter what your politics are, wether you’re left or right, you should be able to love and enjoy these films. Star Wars is fantasy, not a political tool.

[@luckyday8522]

But SW was always political, and valued strong female characters. The original trilogy was always about standing up to oppressive regimes. I mean, a band of spear-yielding natives helped take down the Empire. Lucas was always working with the idea of how dangerous large corporations and power structures can be, a very liberal value. Maybe that wasn't your takeaway, but it's always been there, and I think Lucasfilm should carry on that tradition. Besides, they're trying to make filmmaker-driven movies. This just happens to be an issue important to Rian Johnson, and other artists that come along may prioritize other values.

[@ThatBunniBoi]

Reminds me of how Holdo's sacrifice was praised, but Finn's sacrifice was ruined for no reason. And how Poe's sacrifice got him slapped by a general. Very professional, Leia. And how Holdo caused most of the problems by hiding her plan with no explanation, but somehow she was in the right. The Force is Female!

[@madmoviematt4799]

I mean this in the kindest way possible because I love Ken Napzok, but to see The Last Jedi described as dense makes my brain hurt. I don't know how anyone can objectively argue that. This script fails on every level a script needs to work. Characters, plot, connective tissue, tying into previous installments of the saga, etc.

[@RedfurredPikachu]

Maybe because movies are SUBJECTIVE, not everyone's going to agree with your opinion Thus you can't be OBJECTIVE about a movie because that implies it's fact and that's arrogant as hell.

[@luckyday8522]

Ya I'd disagree with every point you made there and argue because of its thematic heft it is a dense film, not to mention the fact that it's 2.5 hours, and they pack a lot of movie in there, which I think is more what Ken is alluding to.

[@wallace8us]

IMO if you want Ryan Googler to direct a Star Wars movie, I think he should write it as well, start from scratch. I think his writing and storytelling abilities are stronger than his directing skills, which could (should) improve over time. I think Black Panther is well told overall, with strong characters, but the editing, pacing and cinematography (during several fight scenes) are a bit rough and clunky.

[@User3Ds]

I swear every episode of Jedi Council Kristian talks about a director he wants to see do an Old Republic Movie 😂 I admire the persistence man keep it up.