OBS Powerstroke Ford vs 2nd Gen Cummins Dodge Ram | What’s REALLY Better?

[@derpydog1008]

"We're going to take a look at interior comfort and durability" 2nd gen dodge: sweats nervously.

[@otgmedina3452]

😂

[@Raylind]

😂

[@PotatoeJoe69]

My 97 was extremely comfortable inside. Even more than my 2014 was.

[@kowboy83ra]

Let's just all agree that the 90s Cummins and 7.3s are both badass trucks that anyone of us would take in a second.

[@Andy47357]

a 6bt without a turbo, no, a ford 7.3l turbo delete although sucky powerwise still better, as me how i know...

[@kowboy83ra]

@@Andy47357 There is no 6BT without a turbo. The 6BT is literally an acronym for what it is: a 6 cylinder engine, Cummins' B series engine line, with the T standing for turbo, hence 6BT.

[@gabrielpichardo1492]

They sure are bad ass. I thank God i have an obs with the 7.3 idi These old trucks were all built to take a beating

[@turbolq4]

Diesel engines without a turbo are lame. Good for industrial things like a generator or big water pump.

[@rexchris5283]

Or very early 2000’s. 90-02 Dodge and Ford diesel trucks are, and will always be, the greatest trucks to ever exist.

[@seanoleary1979]

My 1st 1996 OBS F350 7.3 had 827,000 miles on it before I sold it to a local landscaper - who still uses daily and now has 964,000 miles on it! My "new" 1997 OBS F250 7.3 with a 5-speed has only 194,000 miles on it. I got it with 97,000 miles. Both trucks gave me ZERO probelms, aside from the first one needing injectors at 460,000 miles. I'm 60 years old, so it will CERTAINLY out live me!

[@harrysturtsman8220]

Did he really just hate on a blue interior obs

[@aaronmcconkey338]

The nerve!!!!!

[@admiralicywolffeyt1465]

I love the blue interior

[@jaliscoyguerrero]

Probably one of my favorite interiors along with the old red crimson one.

[@Fullsendfilosophy]

The red crimson obs is better

[@lumpyzx2645]

My 87 f150 has the red interior, I don't like it but I don't hate it, it is what it is basically

[@Whitestorm2]

Always found it amusing how the 1st gen Cummins looks like a 70s truck and the 2nd gen looks early to mid 2000's.

[@alexinnewwest1860]

That’s because a 1st gen dodge is a 70s truck

[@39ctg]

Thats because first gen body style ran 72-93. If it wasnt for cummins they wouldve gone out of bussiness. They made up such a small percentage of truck sales compared to ford and gm

[@johnlopez128]

@@39ctg the second gen was computer designed and the first pick up to go round hence its futuristic looks as opposed to the GM and FoMoCo designs that it was competing against.

[@Whitestorm2]

Yeah I have a 93 D350, i love how I have 20+ years of body panels to choose from hahaha

[@39ctg]

@@Whitestorm2 same with my squarebodys haha 73-87(91)

[@michaelwdagle7410]

Let's be honest here. If it wasn't for the Cummins hardly anybody would even consider buying a Dodge.

[@NP-rh3dt]

Cummins saved Chrysler. It was a genius move, especially marketing. Chrysler was making no money on Dodge before Cummins.

[@crawlinwithkeagan5678]

Love the way they look but your damn right

[@Cooked_Narcotics]

Idk i mean their muscles been having them pushing strong for generations

[@zacklynch1249]

That’s a fact

[@andrewcoolman1310]

That ain’t no shit personally my dream is to take a 70s f250 and throw a 12v Cummins in it that way I get the Cummins engine without a garbage Chrysler body

[@eschlansker9977]

4 door long bed 7.3 is the dream 😍😍

[@Sackmatters]

Got one. Love it but man they are slow. Got two cummins and a duramax. That old ass 7.3 is a blast just because it never stops.

[@Getrektscrub69]

@@Sackmatters just toss 2500-3000 in injectors and turbo and a couple other thing and they become fast enough to have fun in. I’ve got a badass 95 7.3 and she has plenty of power

[@josephbaldwin4154]

I’ve done so much work to both my 7.3s 94 crew cab and a 2000 extended both 4x4 manuals and I’ve put tons of work into them love both in my opinion so much cheaper to work with them! my 6.7 cummins may run the roads fast as hell but it’s like a lot of the guys say the sound of a straight piped 7.3 is always gonna be the shit. I’m not a either or guy but when it comes to ride quality the 2000 f-350 beats my 14 2500 any day of the week, love them all tho!

[@seth4567]

same

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

Maybe if you work for a landscape company which is pretty much where they all are now lol

[@copenhagendipper8827]

Both of these trucks are in really good condition. It's awesome to see trucks taken care of.

[@jbbolts]

my first observation

[@quintonwinslow9354]

“Interior build quality,” goes to shot off dodge dash**

[@JustDiesels]

I knew everyone would think it 😂

[@Andy47357]

careful that comment could break the dash

[@1963felonee]

@@Andy47357 I think it just did

[@TehShadowDeath]

Had a 96 Ram 1500 can confirm, every bump was like playing a pachinko machine.

[@muskokaroads2371]

I dont understand mines a 97 nothing is broke nothing shattered on the dash ? All of my old trucks had good dashes ?

[@ApolloTheDerg]

My 96 7.3l f250 seems to do alright on hills, it pulls. I’d love to have a Cummins, but so far the 7.3l has treated me alright.

[@powerstroketurbo95]

I have both a tuned Common Rail and an OBS 7.3, and an 02 7.3 as well. Yeah the power on the Cummins trucks is pretty awesome but I personally enjoy the roar of a straight piped 7.3...just get er a decent tuner man

[@andrewsalazar4955]

I’m going with the Cummins all day having owned 1 1st gen, 4 2nd gens and now a 3rd gen. I love the torque, power and reliability. I will say the 7.3 is a very respectable truck and I do love the sound. Ford should’ve never got rid of the 7.3...

[@DaJoost075]

They really cucked the 7.3 by turning it into a gasser

[@DaJoost075]

But I do agree with having the cummins being on top

[@jamessimpson4653]

@@DaJoost075 the new 7.3 isn’t related to the diesel at all

[@abpsd73]

International/Ford got rid of the 7.3 because EPA

[@DaJoost075]

@@jamessimpson4653 i am aware of that my guy

[@dellstudio10]

I like both. But man the 7.3 does sound great. There's a few that run around my town and I always crack my window to hear them pass by.

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

I like the wheels and tires on that Ram. And yep, that cursed 2nd gen dash. Underneath the plastic dash cover, the top of mine has fallen apart in huge chunks.....good thing about that, though: I might be able to swap the heater core out without unbolting the dash 😂 Silver lining....

[@baileybrooks1904]

Genos garage has full replacements for the dash pieces

[@andrewchan9925]

So true! I swapped out the heater core last year and the dash fell apart during the swap on my 01. ...and is the reason I still haven't replaced the dash yet....lol

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

@@baileybrooks1904 Thanks, I'd never heard of them before. Looked them up the other day.

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

@@andrewchan9925 😂 I hear you.

[@donsnoble7135]

My 02 literally crumbled.... Bought a replacement from lmc... Repairing all the cracks before I install the new dash

[@troypacke]

Weird that he's comparing a 99 second gen to a 97 obs I feel like the 99 powerstroke would be a better comparison.

[@richardalaniz556]

EXACTLY!!! He should have done a apples to Apples......95 first Gen and 95 POwewrstroke.....outcomes might change. Good Video any Hoos

[@GMbowtie350]

@@richardalaniz556 95 isn’t first gen. He’s comparing ‘99 to ‘95 cause the horsepower difference between the 12V and 7.3. The 24V is more comparable to the Powerstroke. Now if it were a 7.3 IDI the 12V would be the one to compare it to.

[@jaimerider1516]

Also the 7.3 makes only 5 less hp and the Cummins makes 5 less pound feet so I really don’t get why he’s like the Cummins can pull way better then a 7.3

[@MVSTNGGT]

@@jaimerider1516 Its called a Power Curve, look it up.

[@jaimerider1516]

@@MVSTNGGT dam bro not like I looked at that both of them make peak torque at 1,600 rpm

[@npp3559]

This channel is so good it just need more people to see it

[@stottgrant]

No joke it going blow up soon

[@dylansgameplay5183]

I’m a dodge guy but I like the power stroke more

[@dancearoundtheworld5360]

Zip ties and bias plys has a good opinion on these two but ill see for myself about the dodge wiring

[@benoitsauve8845]

So u a ford guy 🤡

[@1500Chevy]

@@benoitsauve8845 you’re just a clown.

[@adammiller4767]

That’s like saying I’m a straight dude but I like dick more

[@dylansgameplay5183]

What I mean is I like Cummins trucks but the 2nd gen is always broken if it don’t got a 12v I ain’t buying it. But I do like old powerstrokes.

[@perrygauthier1174]

Older trucks rock! Thank you for the amazing content.

[@perrygauthier1174]

Oh ya second gen as it's much easier to work on. Ford always does funky engineers designs that make it a bit harder to get to things!

[@wyattobrien8400]

@@perrygauthier1174 agreed there’s a lot more space in a dodge engine bay

[@Fullsendfilosophy]

@@perrygauthier1174 yeah on my 2nd gen I can literally sit in the engine bay and work on it. Bad part is it's getting old so I have to sit in the engine bay and work on it

[@stevenragsdale9603]

I own a 97 12 valve single cab long bed 4x4 5 speed. I believe it is the absolute best 90’s diesel to own. I owned a 96 f350 single cab dually with the 7.3 in it. I had absolutely no luck with it. It was a sub 120k miles truck all stock grandpa owned. My biggest issue I had was with the injector circuits being in the valve cover gaskets, my passenger side bank gasket was cracked and the power feed crossed with the power return, fried my injectors, And idm. After I got all of that taken care of anytime I was driving in a field at slow speeds the engine would cut out and run terrible, sometimes I would loose one bank of the engine. Turns out after hours of diagnostic time. It also fried the pigtails that plug into the valve cover gaskets. Aside from that and about 5 cam position sensors. I sold it and bought a 24 valve. After my handful of issues with it. I bought a unmolested 97 12 valve with 90k miles. And it’s has been an amazing piece of equipment with no complaints! Excellent video, the OBS body style is one of my favorites!

[@noHandle1776]

2nd gen dodge for me. My favorite truck ever.

[@jackmyers6040]

Most expensive shipping crate I've ever purchased ! I know I've own 3 different 01 dodge Quad cab short bed 2500's ! This last one is the LAST ! $ 6400 in a refurbished 5.9 cummins , Stage 3 big stick cam ,$1600 in 02 port and polished rework head $ 3500 in trans and triple disc convertor ! $1500 in a completely up graded front end ! Napa chassis ball joints , adjustable trac bar, 3in aluminum leveling kit , 4 5000 rancho shocks , up grade to 2011 steering links ! adjustable drag link bars ! Lastly red head steering box and pitman arm ! Of course 3 pod gauges ,180 hp Edge pro comp programer , ARP Head Studs ,big hoss ram intake , 3 peice exhaust manifold ,165 air dog supply pump ,63mm/74mm killer bee super single turbo ,DP 150 hp injectors, 4in down tube to 5in straight exhaust , and went to a Dana 80 single wheel ton rear end ! AXT 201 Rims 18x9 wrapped with 35/12.50 Nitto Trail grapples ! Also a 01 dodge 1500 parts truck from South Georgia $800 ! Should be pretty well good as new when I get her painted !

[@drmustash9531]

Personally I like the 1st gens but the second gen is a good choice

[@noHandle1776]

@@drmustash9531 1st gems are cool for sure, but a 2md gem is so much more practical and functional. I’d love a clean 1st gen cursing truck, but again not very practical.

[@drmustash9531]

@@noHandle1776 yea 1st gen is more a Sunday cruiser and the 2nd is more a work one

[@andrewsweeten4446]

The only reason I think the 2nd gen is my favorite truck is because that was my first truck and it was a hand me down from my dad. And we worked in it for over a year together. So it is the history i have with the 2nd gens. Without the history, I would say the 1st gen is the best

[@derekgtz0474]

You might not have a million subs, but every single person who watches your videos is very interested or needed to watch your video to learn something

[@hayesshaffer2157]

7.3 obs all the way

[@audimaster5000]

Those 7.3 motors have a sound that is so deeply ingrained in us from our childhoods. Listening for the distinct T444e roar in the distance as we’d quickly gathered our backpacks, shoes and coat to run out the door just in time to meet our bare bones yellow international kid haulers to do another day of school. I remember when I first got my 97 F350, I was stoked ‘my truck has a damn school bus engine yall!’.

[@fordman2288]

@@audimaster5000 i wish my school had T444E's all ours were DT466E's but i do remember in elementry school we had a backup mid-late 80s bus with an idi in it so ingraved in my mind how it sounded, im pretty sure it was a 6.9 idi. i do remember a few international 4700 ambulances with T444E's chattering in the background at sports events, fairs and other events growing up and i fell in love.

[@jpreleases]

Dogs.

[@jpreleases]

Straight dogs

[@Fullsendfilosophy]

@@audimaster5000 Anytime I hear a 7.3 OBS I started smelling hay. Around my neck of the woods is a very heavily used hay truck

[@StangLX351]

Honestly both of these motors are some of the best ever made. 300k on either one is the standard. I personally think the 7.3 even as just a plain IDI is more reliable. But the Cummins beats either in pure raw power. I've long contemplated dropping a 12v 5.9 into a Bronco.

[@davidanderson8469]

Be sure and change your oil and have great batteries. The idi needs both or it'll strand you. Keep the glow plugs in top shape. The Cummins using the vastly simpler heating grid.

[@Carlsthoughts]

I’m a 7.3 man but the power band is just way different with a straight six compared to a v8, you really feel the low end with a straight six

[@MCatwar]

yeah my 5 speed, stock 7.3 is a tractor until it hits boost

[@severinheimbigner6112]

Yeah he really didn’t say that, he gave the rpm going up that hill with the 24 valve witch is close to its stock peak torque, but i didn’t hear him say what rpm he was at or the 7.3 , the torque bands are different, the stock 24 valve peak torque is @ 1600 rpm, while the power stoke is @2000, both are rated within 5 hp and lb-ft of each other at their peak

[@greatlakescopwatchglcw127]

Cummins guy here but always love driving my buddies obs 7.3 For me, it's just nice to feel something different. All the nuances that separate them, makes both trucks enjoyable to drive. I also 2 12v trucks. 1 is 1st gen ve pump and 1 2nd gen p pump. The p pump 5 speed 2nd gen is what I enjoy most.

[@jasonnash5984]

I believe the difference everyone claims to feel with the I6 is from the I6 having a larger stroke than bore, which the Powerstroke does not have, thus needing to rev it up more to get the same torque, I have owned 2 24v trucks and now have a 12 valve P pump truck. I prefer the 12 valve P pump truck hands down.

[@legendary6790]

I don't know to much about diesel, but I work on gas cars, many performance american muscle/sports. It's the complete opposite for gas, i6 and i4 are all high rev horsepower, v8s and bigger are all torque in the low end with good high end horsepower.

[@15156495]

My dad bought his 1997 F-350 XLT Crew Cab long bed brand new off the lot when I was just a year old. I have so many great memories of the whole family fitting in for a camping trip or my dad's hunting buddies piling in. The truck is promised to be mine someday and I cannot wait!

[@charliekirsch8051]

My dad bought a 97 crew cab long bed 7.3 4x4 brand new and still has it, when he first got it everybody thought it was weird that he got a crewcab because no one got a crewcab then

[@nunyabusiness5275]

That's what I have. I just bought mine back in October with 292,xxx for 5500. This video really makes me want to swap in a Cummins

[@jesusrios264]

I’ll just go with both! Having those two trucks outside sitting next to my camper and my 3rd gen cummins will be awesome!!!

[@decentgarage]

Such a tough call! Both are such iconic trucks.

[@paulpowell9595]

It really is tough because they're the 2 trucks I love the most

[@phantom0456]

I’d love to have a first gen Cummins with a stick... I love the old school body and interior mixed with the Cummins diesel.

[@greysonwayne1741]

Really hard to choose. But either one would be great to have. Both of those trucks have more character than trucks now a day's

[@10mm]

WOW your video quality is insane! Keep killing it man!

[@damonlines4724]

I couldn’t decide...so I got a 97 Crew Cab F250 AND a First Gen 12V. Both are amazing trucks and have been amazingly reliable for me. Did 4” custom Deaver leafs on the Dodge to get it to ride better and fit 35’s. Did a reverse shackle kit with super duty springs and a dana 60 axle swap on the OBS to get it riding better. Other than that they are basically stock. I love 90’s diesels!

[@youngmanbeertaster2588]

In my opinion I’ve owned 3 obs trucks all with 7.3’s and manual transmissions 2 second gens one auto and one manual and 2 first gens one auto one manual. All the trucks where super reliable with very minimal issues. Had more front end problems with one of my second gen than any of the other obs trucks but seemed to see more oil leaks coming from the 7.3’s nothing major but they just always seemed a little bit wet down in the valley as where the only leak I ever had on my second gens was one had a front timing cover gasket leak and sometimes would see fuel leaks coming from injector nuts. Super easy fixes. In a perfect world I would want to have an obs with a 12v or 24v in it just for the power capability aspect but honestly you can’t go wrong with either of these options

[@joesmoth2610]

Put that 99 Cummins against a late 99 superduty

[@connorkelly690]

I’ve got a late 99 7.3 and I’m so happy with it.

[@tig-nasty2829]

To bad it takes a arm and a leg to get to 600hp on a vp truck .

[@NuclearSandwich7]

@@tig-nasty2829 what are you talking about? Building power on a vp is more expensive than let’s say other Cummins trucks, but it is infinitely cheaper than a 7.3. It’s no more expensive than doing any duramax or later model Ford. Not sure where you got that idea from unless you’re a 12 valve guy...

[@tig-nasty2829]

@@NuclearSandwich7 a vp is going to support what 500hp ? So then p pump right away . If you pay someone that’s like 8k with a new kit . Unless your most likely like us and do it our self with used parts . I’m not a fan of used . Drop 4 to 6 on a build trans to match . Go watch the power driven diesel videos on how they talk about how hard it is to get that truck up to 500 hp to begin with there’s very few that are about 800. I have a 99

[@NuclearSandwich7]

@@tig-nasty2829 my brothers truck is sitting at 700 horse with a vp44. Sure it takes more work and supporting mods than a 12 valve, but it’s still on par with others except other Cummins.

[@masonkilbreath6380]

This is the first video of yours I’ve watched, awesome film quality keep it up!I’ve owned both these trucks and agree with just about every point made, video will definitely help someone out whose looking to get into one of these rigs

[@MrAppltec]

OBS with a 12v Cummins best of both worlds.

[@RiggyRonnie]

1st gen with a 12v Cummins

[@ShakeJuntJr]

If I would build my own truck I’d build a F350 a 12 valve. Obs of course but any body style. It’s just expensive. Both trucks are awesome. But I think the dodge side of reliability is the worry point. But idk I’ve never owned a dodge. They look good though!

[@jonathanpalmer228]

@@RiggyRonnie i own one. Id rather have an obs 12 valve.

[@jonathanpalmer228]

@@ShakeJuntJr definitely should be concerned lol

[@RiggyRonnie]

@@jonathanpalmer228 I have a1993 W350, the obs would catch some eyeballs but the 1st gen works best

[@lawrence4211]

I've owned both and I'm with you on your analysis. I drive a 5.7 Hemi now but I miss my diesel! I would take either one back.

[@gravy_sanders07]

I swear his trucks are always clean. I wish mine was super clean like that 😂

[@Fullsendfilosophy]

I'm glad mine isn't clean like that because mine is putting in work, but I'm also glad just because I use it to put in work it's not rusted out falling apart and cleans up well

[@jullian8907]

Wash it

[@JoeZelensky]

If you drove a manual 7.3 you would think much different about the power when towing and going up hill.

[@gerardorodruiguez5928]

Bad or good?

[@JoeZelensky]

@@gerardorodruiguez5928 in a good way.

[@brodyflament3743]

I like how he said interior and then showed the dash😂

[@damongonzales9195]

Well the dash is part of the interior... lol

[@Justadudeman22]

Your content quality is off the charts.

[@JustDiesels]

Doing my best to make A1 material! 🙌

[@vdubu1873]

Your comparison is spot on. I own a 97 obs f350 cc and I have had 1st and 2nd gens as work trucks. I still prefer the obs because the only thing the dodges had going for them was the cummins. Yes ride might be better but not by much and who doesn't love a straight six for its reliability and low end torque. I just can't get past the interior and the body line of the 2nd gens. Fan boys aside both of these trucks are fun to own and to drive.

[@ericolson8881]

Very good test. I would agree with most of it. I have a 94 2nd gen Dodge with 462,000 miles and I still love driving it as much as I did the day I bought it.

[@jeffro582]

Hi Eric, I feel the same way about my 02 dodge lb I ordered new. After 21 years and 382k, it still thrills me to fire her up, and drive. Still my daily driver, 23mpg.

[@a-dog8075]

2nd gen 100% for me

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

I think the same. That things almost mint

[@a-dog8075]

@@oldcroneysgarage9739 Yeah that things amazing. Which interior do you perfer? 12v or 24V? I perfer the 12V

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

@@a-dog8075 I perfer the best of both worlds The p pump 24v

[@tuckermurray1365]

To me I think Ford built a better overall truck the only thing dodge really had going for it was the cummins which bone stock is toe to toe with the 7.3 and the Ford trucks of that era were built better no tranny issues or constant ball joint failures the cummins is great but Ford built the overall better truck (mainly comparing aero nose ford and second gen dodge)

[@mitchellminer4700]

The squeaks and creaks of a second gen take me back to when my dad and grandpa were teaching me to drive when I was nine. When I got my dads second gen I was 14 and its a flood of nostalgia coming back with those squeaks and creaks. I'm in college now and I'm driving a car and everytime I hear a squeak of a cup holder or a second gen turning over it brings back those good memories.

[@UltimateClutchr]

Comparing that dodge to a L99 or 2000 power stroke would've been more apples to apples

[@Str8Ripper1776]

Still vs the 97 the 99 5.9 only makes 10 more hp and makes 25 less ftlbs tq

[@austincassell4741]

I think I'd take a 2nd gen vs a 1st gen super duty 😬 and I have an obs lol, the 99-03 superduty just looks so blah

[@DLJ-]

1999 power stroke would be better for this

[@UltimateClutchr]

I like the first gen super duty lol, but it doesn't look as good as obs. Comparing stats however I'm not quite sure this video was fair. Good overall video though

[@oinchadoomandwolfboy]

I agree. But the Cummins would’ve still won those certain topics and the Powerstroke would’ve won the other. The 99-early 2000s Ford F-250s were my favorite looking trucks, and interior. Still, the Cummins is such a beast engine. I’m not a big fan of the 7.3’s.

[@sarge12212]

I have to say you have given a very fair representation of the gen 2 Cummins powered trucks. I have a 2000 2500 HD 6speed that I bought in 2002. It has about 205k on it now and is a daily driver. The dash went to hell and I put a dash topper on it. Hard to tell it even there. Rebuilt the front end when it got too loose to pull a trailer safely. All new tie rods ends, track bar and ball joints. Also added the stearing box bar with the bearing and it helped a ton. Transmission and transfer case have both been rebuilt and brought up to 2003 specs. 400hp clutch and HD pressure plate. Rails were recently ran and new 2003 spec 275hp injectors with new injector tubes installed. After the 2nd injector pump failure, an AirDog Raptor was installed on the frame rail. She runs like a raped ape! Currently saving up for a nice paint job and new Mickey Thompson III wheels, lol 😎✌️

[@bricecine]

Can’t beat the OBS Ford.. especially if you had a centurion swap

[@thomasc.2562]

Don't kill me😂 but whats a centurion?

[@Questionable_creations]

@@thomasc.2562 Google it. It's awesome

[@joetheman357]

@@thomasc.2562 It was a secondary company that did all kinds of cool stuff. Like the 4 door bronco

[@thomasc.2562]

@@joetheman357 okk okay

[@jacobwithak4103]

I've got a centurion bull nose or I think it cabriolet conversions but Ethier way same deal

[@ChaosViper67]

To me the 2nd gen is my favorite vehicle ever made. The styling is unlike anything else. I actually really like the interior.

[@JustDiesels]

It’s one of the most revolutionary truck body designs ever made!

[@davidanderson8469]

Me too. I owned a 1998.5 but I'll take everything else on my 2007 2500 5.9.

[@someone9906]

I love my TTB front end in my bronco. They are definitely more expensive to lift but Ford ran that front end for awhile and there is a lot of aftermarket support out there. I've never had a problem with my front end.

[@ford_squad2427]

He has never seen James duff suspension for the ttb

[@danielfinney4295]

I remember having to do ball joints all the time in the early 2000's Ford 4x4 diesel front ends when I ran a shop from 2003 to 2008

[@broncobusting69]

Once you cut and turn the beams throw 12 inch travel coil overs on them that ttb is amazing. Whoop scissors life.

[@alexredard5584]

I own a CCLB 95 SRW F-350, automatic. I can vouch for the fact that they are difficult to work on, at least in the aspect that certain spots are hard to reach. I will say when I got my truck it was abused. The fuel bowl and lack of maintenance was awful. Every chance I get I fix what starts to be a problem. It’s definitely a commitment to maintain such an old truck, but I think that’s what it’s really all about. If you love it, keep it moving. Also, a stock 7.3 is a slug, but with the right tuner and some simple mods it will gain you the comfortable power you need and even contribute to your automatic transmission shifting smoother.

[@justinmtbiking]

I honestly think this was a wonderful video! Great job Andrew! I think it you should do a 99+ 7.3 to a 24v

[@JustDiesels]

I did these two since it seems to be the most common comparison for people starting to look at older diesels. The 99+ Super Duty trucks don’t quite have the same cool factor as the OBS Fords do.

[@martydalzell6972]

ive been a ford guy my whole life. had a 7.3 powerstroke and now have a 6.7 but i decided to build a 68 mercury m100 with a 98 12 valve p pump in it (due to the fact the motors a 1 wire motor) and i am extremely impressed with the cummins.

[@paddlestealer]

You're lucky to have an OBS that clean... '97 is THE year to have for '95-'98 powerstrokes.

[@charlessherman5034]

At the beginning of the year I had an opportunity to acquire a family owned 1996 f350 7.3 4 door dually. It wa sa farm truck, and was used like one. I've already begun the restoration. I found this video quite knowledgeable for general Info. Great video and it's niceto see someone not be biased and give information equally. Thank you!

[@alexevans650]

The 12 valve and obs 7.3 powerstroke would be the ones to compare

[@ryriethompson5608]

I love and have owned both. If I were to buy again I’d go 12v.

[@MyBluegoose]

Great content. 👍🏻 The diesel that peaked my interest was a 1990’s Ram 250 4x4 that a good friend of mine had. What an awesome truck! I couldn’t find a truck like that and ended up purchasing a 96 F350 4x4. My most favorite truck to date. I had the trans rebuilt and put a complete Banks kit in it, Fantastic! Drove it like that for years averaging 24/25 mpg on 35’s with 4.10’s. The most fun truck and sneaky fast was a 97 F350 4x4 with a Banks intercooler, Beans Diesel D66 turbo, Adrenaline HPOP, Baby Swamps injectors, TS 5 position chip, MBRP exhaust and was also on 35’s with 4.10’s on a built transmission. This thing was an absolute rocket ship. Love the 7.3 and I miss them.

[@davidanderson8469]

My friend's got $7K worth of Banks on his 2001 F-350 an it has never gotten good fuel economy. In addition my 98.5 Ram with an Edge EZ and 30 hp Bosch would smoke it on the highway. All being said I love the OBS F-350's OJ styling.

[@chrispliske3184]

Conversation over 97 outdated to a 99 up and coming generation yikes! the 24v ran from 98.5 to 02 so compare a 99.5 to 03 7.3 then we have a comparison

[@dakotaneal306]

A 99 Cummins and a 99 power stroke is what it should have been the obs did not have a intercooler but the super duty did it is unfair to do it this way a 99 Cummins came out with 210 hp automatic and 235 manual the 7.3 power stroke in 99 came out with 235 hp that would have been a better comparison

[@wh8085]

Love Both of them ! Never owned a Ford diesel but it's a great looking truck . I've had 5 Rams . Three 5.9s and two 6.7s. The 6.7 is awesome but the DEF system sucks ! But more to the point I have a '93 model 5.9 with close to 600,000 miles on her and still purrs like a tiger. It does have other issues that need repairs but over all , it's been a phenomenal truck !

[@catahoulla8488]

Crazy I'm in the process of trading my 2nd gen for an obs 7.3 with only 40k original miles

[@audimaster5000]

That’s incredibly low miles! Like whoa! It’s always a neat experience just seeing such a barn find vehicle. It’s like stepping into a time machine. Hope it goes well for ya’

[@catahoulla8488]

@@audimaster5000 I'll definitely post some vids when I get it should be about a week

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

@@catahoulla8488 well how did it go?

[@croaker4163]

How does this channel only have 65,000 subscribers this is the best diesel channel I've ever seen...

[@JustDiesels]

Thank you!

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

Hey!! I like that multi color cloth!!

[@a-dog8075]

The best part!

[@TheRealKozyy]

I have leather on both of mine and I honestly prefer the cloth, plus I like the look of it also. I’d prefer the multicolored cloth over the fords interior

[@seeyachump4814]

Confetti ! !

[@hd42gaming54]

Same I love mine on my 12v

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

@@hd42gaming54 yours has it to huh? Lol.

[@gabrielpichardo1492]

As an obs owner . I highly suggest that to get the most low end grunt you cant have big burly tires on it.

[@zacknelson8918]

Should do a 6.0 vs 3rd gen cummins, vs lb7/lly/lbz

[@hunterjackson802]

duramax beats the 6.0 handsdown.

[@rexmilanista]

Funny cause while a 6.0 is rolling on all that coolant, the cummapart is in the shop on its 7th tranny and the Isuzu snapped it’s tie rod ends before it even left the showroom. LOL

[@GMbowtie350]

@@rexmilanista I would much rather deal with possibly having to put a transmission in it than spend $4K bulletproofing just for it to be reliable, and even then it’s a coin toss on whether or not it’ll be a good one. When the transmission went out in mine it was $1500 to rebuild. I’ll take that over bullshit Powerstroke and Duramax problems all day long.

[@caseyfenlon2238]

The 6.0 is irrelevant in any discussion other than strictly talking about complete and utter trash

[@zacknelson8918]

@@caseyfenlon2238 ypu mean the 6.4 the 6.0 is salvageable

[@morgancaflisch-peryk1326]

Very thorough and fair comparison! fun to watch and very informative.

[@jaredalmeida6033]

I will forever love the Maroon interiors from the 1st gen dodges 🤧

[@jaymoe5.7]

Oh yeah! Honestly old interiors are just awesome. Cool looking and comfy. The blue plaid cloth/leather seats in my 79 Plymouth are a million times more comfy than new seats.

[@jaredalmeida6033]

@@jaymoe5.7 excuse me did u say Plymouth🥴. I haven’t heard that name since I was a child. Lol that is awesome man

[@Zappy1210]

Damn I miss my 1997 F250 extended cab diesel... Was the best truck I ever owned to date.

[@MackesTV]

When people tell me my 7.3 isn’t fast I tell them yea because it’s a diesel F250

[@rossvanluven6533]

Or just t4 swap the f250 and gap them... that's what I do 😂

[@rondogwil]

Bought my 97 F250 2wd extended cab new in 98. After a couple years I took it Banks power. Wow what a difference. Had the auto trans. rebuilt at 110k and now have 224k on the truck. It's been very reliable over the years overall.

[@stephengilstrap6154]

12v Cummins Vs 7.3 IDIT

[@FirstGenGod]

That's not a fair comparison lol

[@Taintmilker]

The IDI is a gutless turd and is best used for hauling the kids around town getting decent mpg

[@stephengilstrap6154]

I agree, but it’s still a true apples to apples comparison.

[@ethanbeier3443]

Now. That’s a fair comparison. Idi makes less power...but the rest of the truck is superior to the dodge in every way 😂

[@soileddungarees]

The editing on these videos is honestly really good

[@ryanalbright1809]

This content. Need more of this.

[@davidgenthnerjr4995]

I own a 1997 F-350 Crew Cab F-350 4x4 with the long bed and its a 7.3L with the 5 Spd ZF-5 Transmission. Previous owner installed a bigger Garrett Turbo, larger injectors, Cold air kit, and 5 inch exhaust. Thing pulls hills like no ones business here in Maine. All set up for towing and has front and rear off-road bumpers with running boards. He added the seats from a 2000's truck for added comfort.

[@jmucha03]

The only thing that wouldn’t be different is that a 2000 7.3 it would be much faster

[@tig-nasty2829]

I guarantee you my P pump 24valve Cummins will out run a 7.3 all day long those things are a brick badass tow rig tho

[@bradjenkins932]

@@tig-nasty2829 LOL.

[@audimaster5000]

@@tig-nasty2829 I only have experience with an OBS 7.3 upgraded injectors, custom tuned ect. Its nothing fast or powerful by today’s common rail diesels. Its been my understanding those 24V Cummins are slightly more robust and even with mods are a no frills ‘industrial’ experience to drive. But better for heavy towing as low end torque inherently favoring a straight 6 configuration. It’s the first I’ve heard someone’s experience find the 7.3 be the better a tow pig. It’s also something many of us aren’t willing to admit or accept but those common rail Duramax engines are the way to go for performance. My cousin is the owner of S&S diesel and it’s insane the numbers they’re getting out of those duramax motors with just upgraded fuel pump, injector and software tweaks.

[@tig-nasty2829]

@@audimaster5000 i had a 7.3 welding rig and I will say I liked the way it pulled better than my 24valve rig now . Given it has a 2000lbs welder and probably about 1000 in tool in both. Maybe it just me .

[@jacephillips2464]

Just have to say the camera quality is absolutely amazing

[@mrlandcruiser6557]

Give me a body style of a Dodge, Frame of a Ford, Chevies Allison Trans & the unmatched grunt of that friggin Cummins.

[@hunterjackson802]

Body style of 80s chevy silverado

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

@@hunterjackson802 for me it would have to be 70s silverado or bonanza

[@Jim_Lawrence]

Having owned an '00 Cummins auto, and a ZF6 '01 Powerstroke, among others, I'll take the Powerstroke. At 6'2", I fit better in the SD, brakes are better, and I like the steering better. No, I can't explain what I didn't like about that 2nd gen steering. That 47re sucks at using the cummins power, what a waste... 7.3 power: Hydra, Hybrids, KC turbo. Completely different truck at that point. Cummins did get about 2 mpg better, and the ride was a little smoother. Just a Ford guy I guess...

[@theeccentricadam]

I love my 2nd gen. 3500 dually...pulls like a tank. - Dash is all to hell - Took forever to find one in great shape - Cost a small fortune But...that 24 valve🥰

[@ralph5874]

2nd gen all day 🔥🔥 perfect setup

[@Kiefel95]

Like em both. My two favorite trucks from the 90’s tho I’ve owned an OBS Ford and miss it everyday

[@Zach-td5mb]

I’ve literally been searching for a video like this for weeks I’m trying to decide which to buy

[@robbalinski1606]

Cummins or LB7/LBZ Duramax and dont look back, 2 most reliable diesel engines ever made. Then there's the om606 mercede's diesel, power house of an engine.

[@Sackmatters]

@@robbalinski1606 as someone who owns a powerstroke, 2 cummins and a duramax. I’d never count out a 7.3. They just don’t make power but it’ll run forever.

[@traxxasrcfun]

@@robbalinski1606 duramaxs have a slew of issues🤣 12v and 7.3s are the most reliable

[@evan1788]

7.3 greatest diesel ever made the rest of you are fake news.

[@robbalinski1606]

@@traxxasrcfun late LBZ's yes, but as for issues what are there? bad factory fuel filters, and poor maintenance are the only thing that kill the duramax's. Sketchy da's LB7 duramax is a prime example, bent rod still dailyed for years and made 1000hp on the dyno......can't argue with that. then theres plenty that make the million miles club like the cummins do.

[@vernonyamada2200]

I own a 2001 dodge Cummins , I’ve had to weld the frame and reinforce it where the steering box bolts up and the Cummins engine has a lot of oil leaks but for mileage and reliability and towing it’s great

[@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548]

I don't have personal experience as I live in the UK, but from the video the 7.3 sounds like a very angry beast, it's a very different sound. Subscribed.

[@dr7477]

You have good ears mate

[@sutrebloggentv756]

The 5.9 is more refined and possibly a better engine and the 7.3 is an angry beast. I have one - I love it.

[@caseyszymanski4242]

Dude this video is like TV show quality. Good shit. Just got a new subscriber🤘🏼

[@JustDiesels]

Thank you!

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Wish I had that Ford, oh and if not for Cummins, there would be no ram.

[@rowdycustoms8219]

i like the older Dodge, but I have a 95 7.3 w/225,000 with fill down pipe and Bully Dog chip and it spins all 4 rear tires. Not as slow as everyone says they are. really reliable!

[@lmCIoudz]

I like the look of the 2nd gen better, but they rot to shit so terribly. I'm not sure which I would rather, they're both so cool

[@trevorlarsonn]

just gotta make sure you're taking care of it brotha

[@martin1234512345]

And Fords don't? You're outta your fucking mind.

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

All trucks rot so terribly. Doesn't matter what the brand is

[@lmCIoudz]

@@martin1234512345 Lol dude every 2nd gen in the northeast is far worse than any old ford. It's a fact, don't get your feelings hurt

[@lmCIoudz]

@@trevorlarsonn True but not much you can do up in the northeast unless the 1st owner sprayed the entire under carriage

[@DeeJay-iz3ts]

Very cool comparison, I drive 7.3s all day for work, but I own a 12v ram 3500, because of simplicity and power. It is just so far ahead of the 7.3 as far as power goes with next to no headaches.

[@thequiet1374]

"I'm going to get a obs 1 ton obs for the ride quality" said no one ever. Off on the suspension part. Sorry.

[@wconstructionco]

Like driving a hay wagon.

[@MrAppltec]

Check out my quick video of my 05+ axle swap! That’s how you get your obs to ride nice!

[@wconstructionco]

@@MrAppltec its not the axles, its the suspension geometry. I prefer not having unit bearings on a HD front axle.

[@MrAppltec]

@@wconstructionco well with the 05+ axle swap you take the axles and SUSPENSION from a 2005+ super duty. My 1985 f250 rides like a brand new truck!

[@wconstructionco]

@@MrAppltec yeah, I am well aware. Like I said, its not the axle, its the different suspension geometry. I despise unit bearing axles on anything. Literally has nothing to do with the axle.

[@rvgreg9345]

596,000 miles on the VP44 in my truck. It had a frame mounted pump that was replaced a dozen times until 300k when it finally received an airdog. That airdog died around 575k and they replaced it under warranty. The VP44 on my truck has survived the headgasket, turbo, even the dipstick tube among many many many other parts. Its the most reliable part of the truck. The ratio stands at four transmissions to one VP44.

[@mikecowboygilbert9944]

Never have to plug in my Cummins It Just starts in cold weather

[@shannonkollar9102]

I don’t plug in my 7.3 either never a problem

[@turbolq4]

@@shannonkollar9102 just wait.

[@roundsm18]

Cummins: air intake grid heater PSD: glow plugs If they work and you have batteries that are in good shape you don’t need a block heater regardless.

[@BurbDude]

My second gen still has a good interior after all these years.

[@billypat3256]

I really like the Cummins diesel, they are amazing. But I’ve always heard it said, there is no replacement for displacement. Yes the Cummins will give you more low end, on the horsepower curve, the PSD will walk away from the Cummins. Love both trucks, so hard to pick a winner!

[@JustDiesels]

Honestly I feel the opposite! My OBS just feels like it struggles to pull the same trailer that my first gen and this 2nd gen yank around no problem. Put 10k behind them both on a hill and the 7.3 just feels out of breath!

[@martin1234512345]

You obviously have never sat foot inside a 7.3. They are complete dogs. Cummins will walk a 7.3 every day of the week. Almost angers me how wrong you are lol.

[@billypat3256]

@@JustDiesels I can’t speak for the OBS powerstroke, but my dads 01 powerstroke pulls really hard! It is tuned, and pulls circles around my friends tuned 24 or the same era. But that is just my opinion, and I could certainly be wrong.

[@billypat3256]

@@martin1234512345 You obviously have never been in a tuned 7.3, they pull really hard.

[@mmholling87]

@@billypat3256 "my dad's" makes you sound like a teenager.

[@Sweatygaragemods]

24v came out in 1998 1/2 . I own a 98 3500 x cab .

[@austing945]

As soon as I heard interior I got scared for the second gen hopefully he doesn’t touch the dash😂😂

[@exploringtheoutdoors9476]

I don’t know how to explain it but sitting in these trucks makes me feel so happy

[@gearslingers1490]

Why don’t you put a 99 dodge against a 99 power stroke

[@sourbrothers73]

Were you even paying attention?

[@chloedegurechaff1941]

That would be interesting seeing how this gen only lasted for 92-97. 4 more years of 2nd gen ram while having a new gen ford.

[@chadhollingsworth7535]

My only regret is that my first vehicle purchase wasn't my 02 f250 7.3 4x4 crew cab short bed diesel. I had a straight 6 Jeep Cherokee Classic as my 1st vehicle, but the life changing opportunities that exist with a pickup truck were unknown to me for so many years! I love it! I put a small trash bag in the back and take it to the landfill just because! Lol. I change the oil every 2k now. Change the gear oils every 10k. It's not the best riding vehicle, but you miss it when you are not driving it! I still want to Cummins swap my Yukon XL, just need a reason to do so. My motor is perfect so I cannot validate the effort. Cheers m8s!

[@nicknassano8271]

24v Cummins for life 🤙🏻

[@callumyocius2958]

Honestly...I'd take both. Each one is gorgeous, and I'd be honored to own either one

[@CR500R]

So basically get a crew cab, 4x4, manual F-350 and put a 12 valve Cummins in it. Check.

[@Fullsendfilosophy]

Fummins swap. Love to see it

[@mrs.c5471]

We have a 97 2500 4x4 Extended Cab Dodge Ram w/ the Cummins Engine and while the dash is trashed, the truck still is a gorgeous truck, I get compliments all the time on it! We are over 200,000 miles and still going strong