1999 Ford 7.3 Power Stroke Super Duty vs Dodge Ram 5.9 Cummins 2nd Gen | Which Is Better?

[@JustDiesels]

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[@dirtbikeheaven192]

Hey man loved the video but I personally own a truck with a 7.3 and I’ve got to say that it is not a good tranny it is under built and pron to going out prematurely without extensive work that is if your driving it hard or doing heavy towing which I guess Liam hasn’t but we do and ours is about to go out

[@MrStarfockerx]

Amazing video 😃 I really appreciate if you make someone with a 6.5L Detroit Probably incredible results 5.9 vs 7.3 vs 6.5... Thanks again 🚜

[@olavlien6842]

what rims is it on the dodge??

[@braxtonpayne9093]

Jesus loves you all

[@amandavanorman729]

It takes 60 diesel trucks of today to make what just one of trucks in video make in pollution

[@boxierballoon4858]

You both were very fair in comparing the trucks. It made me happy to see unbiased opinions on 2 amazing trucks, personally as a cummins owner I’d take the 5.9 but definitely love the ford as well and would not mind owning one.

[@jonathanpalmer228]

Just need a 5.9 in the Ford. Then you have the best truck out there. I don’t like the HUI system from a I have to work on it prospective but have come to enjoy the 5.9 but still despise the dodges body.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@jonathanpalmer228 is take either motor in the Ford body, hopefully with a differant tranny for the 5.9

[@tristenalsop4570]

I've owned both and the 7.3 is still my daily and the better truck imo

[@joshuahilyard7009]

Lmao how was it unbiased? They both owned each truck obviously they each gonna pick they own truck.

[@mamamouhemouche9329]

@@jonathanpalmer228 heui system is a very good system for injectors longevity....i dont understand your point.....7.3 injectors are good for 500000 miles with proper oil change .....

[@Luv2eetbeans]

Thumbed up immediately after clicking on the video. Don’t care if I disagree in the end after I finish watching this. Just glad that there’s content still coming out on these old trucks.

[@worldhello1234]

Your brother Long Long would probably agree, too. ;)

[@TTGTanner]

@@worldhello1234ayo wtf 😳

[@AllThingsBoost]

I own a 2001 24v dually I've been restoring/building up. I cant get over how CLEAN your 99 is, and both trucks really. Especially the engine bays, gorgeous

[@BabblingBrookemountain]

I think what he meant was ford is "powerwoke " now. Ram is just making solid trucks.

[@treycherry1367]

I inherited my dads 01 with 324,000 miles. He bought it brand new and we've been the only ones to use it. I have an 03 with 40s and 700hp but I barely drive it anymore since I got the 01. This second gen has been the most reliable truck I've ever owned ( after installing the fass ).

[@Anthonysmith-ic8ef]

@@treycherry1367 Yeah the 24v have one problem The shitty ass Fucking Vp44 But if you get a Airdog there pretty bulletproof trucks

[@treycherry1367]

@@Anthonysmith-ic8ef you'll call me a liar, but the factory lift pump and vp on this truck lasted roughly 315,000 miles. I know I got lucky which is why I got the lift pump upgraded

[@Anthonysmith-ic8ef]

@@treycherry1367 Holy Shit dude Damn I’ve never Heard of anybody making it that far but at least you got the good one on there now She’ll be as reliable as can be

[@YamahaRider280]

It’s worth noting the 99+ superduty can be retrofitted with pretty much any superduty body parts, interiors, and axles up to 2016. So you could have a 99 that looks like a 2016. The dodge is stuck with what you got.

[@harshmoor2280]

Might be, but you can take the axles and suspension off a dodge ram 3500 and put it on a 1500. Ford I believe can't do that cause their 1500 has a smaller frame. I care more about performance than looks and comfort. To each their own.

[@treeofliberty4407]

Why not just get a 3500? Just seems like a lot of work and money to swap up a 1500. I have a 7.3 pain in the ass, actually gotta drop in a clutch soon. But we all love our own trucks. I'm with ya though about function over looks.

[@internet_internet]

Don’t care. Cosmetics are for females.

[@davidwhite5858]

What you are stuck with is way better than a 7.3 ford .

[@joeshafer83]

​@@harshmoor2280 the f150 and f250/350 are 2 different trucks. Dodge kept the same body style on 1500-3500

[@billypat3256]

I love my 00 7.3! Wouldn’t trade it for anything! Great video, very thorough, very fair comparison. That’s what pushed our trucks to get better is that very close competition, if they did have that, we wouldn’t have the trucks we have today.

[@seanbutler2291]

They are soo equal in most respects, except in ease of repair. That straight 6 has got that hands down. But damn I'd love either.

[@Lray4x4]

@@seanbutler2291 Go change the oil, serpentine belt, alternator and AC compressor on a 7.3 Powerstroke, then do it on a 24V Cummins and tell me which was easier.

[@braxtonpayne9093]

Jesus loves you

[@barrya.6212]

"Didn't"

[@barrya.6212]

@@braxtonpayne9093 Jesus DIRECTS His great love to all....but until someone turns to Him with a repentant heart they are still under judgement....just need to speak truth.

[@MrKThomas1976]

I think you can’t go wrong with either truck if they’re both cherry, personally I love the look of both of them the Ford is huge and demand respect on the road, but I love the sound of that 5.9 and the ease of working on it. i’m a little biased towards Ram/Cummins. I own a late model 2018 2500 Ram, and I absolutely love it.

[@Katarinarabbit]

Any inline automatically wins in terms of easy maintenance and reliability

[@jonhathaway2537]

cummins is only thing he dodges have had and have going for them. ford makes their own diesels and the 6.7 is as good as the modern cummins.

[@theyeetus1428]

@@jonhathaway2537 Yeah but nothing beats the 12v 5.9 cummins.

[@codychitwood5432]

The 7.3 is super simple to work on

[@james6208]

@@jonhathaway2537 ford does not make their own diesels, International makes them.

[@niteninja0133]

I think they are the best looking trucks, and If I ever found a clean one itd be hard to choose. I'm a big Ford guy but for ease of working on them it has to be the Dodge

[@tyhudson9497]

I love my 02 f350 4 door 7.3 manual best truck out of the many I have

[@nou8257]

@@tyhudson9497 I got a 02 f350 7.3 manual as well. Mine is an lariat 4x4 and a single wheel short bed

[@bryce_7.366]

Coming from a dude that has worked on several of these 7.3s they are pretty simple motors only thing is they are so much bigger

[@bryce_7.366]

@@nou8257 I have my 96 f350 so the older 7.3 and I fuckin love this thing

[@nou8257]

@@bryce_7.366 Can't beat a obs

[@haydenpearson7203]

I feel like the 7.3 is a little more of an all a round truck. On the 5.9, there were a lot of good things, but there were some bad things that can be a problem, like the transmissions and interior. On things that were bad, the 7.3 was better in those areas. And on things that were good about the 5.9, well the 7.3 wasn't too far behind, besides repairs.

[@markrich3271]

47/48re was one of the best transmissions built. It's great for stock 225hp levels and great at 2000hp heavily modified. People who put a tuner on their 20 year old ram thinking their transmission will survive are out their mind.

[@BC08]

@@markrich3271 Not even close. The 4R100 is far superior to the 47RH. The world’s fastest Dodge Cummins drag truck runs a BTS built 4R100. The 47RE internals are simply too physically too small to hold the torque of a 2000HP race Cummins. The 4R100 is better stock and WAY better when built and it’s not close. The 4L80 is also better than the 47RE but still straight up dainty compared to the 4R100

[@BoostedPastime]

I agree

[@miked90123]

Ford's have the same transmission problems! I built one for my 47re, my friend is on his 4th 7.3l transmission. Never herd of anyone swapping in a powerjoke! But many people and companies Cummins swap ford's! Fummins!

[@haydenpearson7203]

@@miked90123 i think your buddy is just unlucky those trannys are petty damn solid lol my dads 7.3 pushing 500 horse on his tranny with 300k miles on it so i’m sure your buddy is just unlucky or a bad driver lol

[@wesleykahl7485]

I had a 02 24v 5 speed that looked exactly like the one in the video, and currently own a 99 7.3. I love each truck I still wish I had the Cummins yet also. There’s pros and cons in each but at this point with newer diesels being so silent, there’s nothing like coming down the road in a chattering 7.3 or 5.9.

[@braxtonpayne9093]

Jesus loves you

[@boardtodeath46]

I’m am so happy to see the honesty here and unbiased explanations. I’ve been a self employed contractor since 99 and still have both my 99 crew cab dually 7.3 lariat (580,000 miles and my 01 Dodge Ram 24 valve 2500 extra cab 5 sp (506,000), love both trucks. I’ll be pulling out the 7.3 and swapping a Ford 7.8 straight 6

[@1bad2v71]

That is the most complete 2nd gen dash I've ever seen! My pops owned an 01 and if you looked at the dash wrong it cracked.

[@paulf3]

Lmao I'm waiting for my new to be delivered right now

[@zacharyprovance3128]

I have 2 1/2 tons, a '98 and a '99, and both their dashes are cracked in several spots

[@angelc.5696]

my 99 has a gaping hole in the dash. I wish it was just a crack. using it as work truck.

[@petemcpeterson6205]

My 99 has a perfect original dash . The drivers seat is a different story though.

[@johnbowker5]

My 97 second gen dash is mint

[@jamesparks9668]

My grandpa owned two bone stock 2nd gen 12 valve Cummins with a 5 speed manual and they both got over 500k miles

[@deborahchesser7375]

I love big trucks, so a Cummins manual and a stack in the bed I’d be a happy little hillbilly lol. 👍🇺🇸

[@WhoThisGuy515]

My grandpa owns a 2nd gen with the 5 speed but he's only put 124k on it but has had zero issues.

[@kylearmitage2886]

Great video guys. I'm a big ford guy but as a tech I prefer to work on an inline 6 diesel rather than a v8, especially one as simple as a 5.9 Cummins. Most things are easier and less labor to repair or replace on a 5.9. cost of parts is generally cheaper as well. The truck itself i would rather a ford any day. i guess a dream truck could be a 06 F-250 with a 5.9 swap? best of both worlds

[@ryangarrett7281]

A Fummins. I’ve seen a few.

[@jimderksen1653]

With an allison tranny

[@TheRannMann]

Sold my 2003 7.3 a few years ago and regretted ever since. Gave my son my 97 7.3 in which he still drives daily with 460k miles on it . I sometimes regret that to . But both are great trucks

[@MyDirtydan]

I'm a Cummins guy as well but even I can't deny the amazingness that is the 7.3. Best truck Ford ever made

[@jman6970]

I grew up with my Dad owning both. His 5.9 was the newer body style though, and both were duallys. 5.9 had way more power and sounded so freaking good. Lot of transmission issues though. 7.3 was a dog for power, but I still preferred it for some reason. I would LOVE to own a mint 7.3 crew cab. Hard to come by these days.

[@harleyhiebert2862]

Only way to own a mint 7.3l is to buy one and make it mint...

[@jonathanrangel5119]

I have a 99 7.3 pretty well taken care of 180k miles 6speed. Manual windows but it's a complete and taken care of. I'd sale it. In Texas for around $7k

[@luketrout9877]

@@jonathanrangel5119 do you have social media im interested

[@ethanyates28]

Your dad should have bought his 5.9 with a nv5600 he wouldn't have had any transmission issues

[@LarryPerkins78]

@@jonathanrangel5119 I'm interested in that 7.3 standard transmission. Have a link to the truck with some contact info? thanks!

[@davidherbers2683]

I think maintenance and upkeep has to include other stuff like the front end. Although the Super Duty's leaf sprung front end isn't all that comfortable it is remarkably durable and straight. For a construction or rig truck they take a lickin and keep on tickin. The stock track bar on the 2nd gens tweaks itself over speed bumps.

[@TheFoMoCo1903]

Yeah the durability of the chassis in general on the Ford is way better.

[@nemoexpress3426]

If Cummins had partnered with Ford these discussions wouldn't be happening. JMO

[@Gonz.0]

So true

[@tbonetyler1027]

THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tl5108]

If Ford would’ve let international keep doing their thing without their bean counters getting involved their history with diesels wouldve been a lot different

[@austinhowze6280]

Ford did have partnered with cummins they use a lot of times in f600 and f650s

[@deborahchesser7375]

@@tl5108 they should use a DT466

[@ChrisSmith-yl3vd]

I have an 02 7.3 crew cab so I gotta go with the Ford. Great truck interior is just amazing on these trucks. They pull great. I have a light tune on mine and it’s impressive for an 02. I think all the points that were made were very fair and true. Much respect for the 5.9 but the 7.3 all day for me. Great video guys

[@SWCHEEZ]

something that wasn't talked about is how ford has kept the same platform for 16 years almost. How you can swap newer model ford parts to the 7.3 to make the comfort of the interior and ride quality a lot better.

[@brandonwright6659]

The Cummins is the better engine, the Ford is the better truck.

[@Daniel-sd9fo]

I see more 7.3s on the road the cummins are dying out.

[@Roost426]

@@Daniel-sd9fo thats because the engine gets ripped out and put in something else, usually a ford

[@scoott.735]

The reason why you don’t see them on the road because the values have shot through the roof. Everyone wants one. Ford who cares nothing special

[@Daniel-sd9fo]

@@scoott.735 you must havent seen the 7.3 market lol

[@Anthonysmith-ic8ef]

@@Daniel-sd9fo I have and there not worth that much i’ll just get a 12v for cheaper and they last longer

[@JacobEcret]

I’ve always said, Ford body frame, 5.9 engine, Allison transmission. Perfect truck

[@jayxj7785]

Taylor Ray has that exact perfect truck.

[@JacobEcret]

@jeremy pollitt you do you

[@reaganyoder2279]

I once told my non truck guy friend who thought he was he was a truck guy that I would love to have a ford 6.4 engine with a dodge transmission on a Chevy chassis😅 he was like “bro that would be so sick”😂

[@JacobEcret]

@@reaganyoder2279 yikes, worst setup ever

[@reaganyoder2279]

@@JacobEcret exactly😂

[@76powerwagon87]

As a person that’s owned and spent many miles in each I’d say you nailed it. Great comparison!

[@treelineresearch3387]

I went the 7.3 way for my first diesel truck, but a 2G 5.9 was neck and neck and if I get another truck that isn't a 7.3 it'd be a 5.9. The simplicity of the Cummins definitely has appeal. I was surprised at how well the 7.3 interior has held up. Mine is an ex-work truck and pretty well worn but with a couple weekends of replacing lock actuators, fixing minor wiring hackery from the last guy, doing the shifter bushings, finding various missing small trim bits, and giving it a good cleaning it came right back to almost like new and is surprisingly comfy. Just wish the last guy and his crew didn't drop their ciggies on everything.

[@6mindtrix]

The comparability of these trucks is on point. I love diesel engines!! I went with the power stroke. I own a 2001 Ford excursion with a 7.3l engine and I love it. But the sound that comes out of the Cummins is from another world, it sounds like a beast!

[@jamesmcguinness1530]

Right! Not alot beats the sound of a Cummins diesel screaming down the road.

[@chrislight4325]

I have a 99 Crew Cab 7.3 with the 6 speed manual. I’m partial to the look and stance more than the Dodge. I think the Super Duty looks more modern. But I’ve had two 2nd gens, and I loved them both. So it’s a tough call, but I lean Ford.

[@nou8257]

Owning both dodge and fords I prefer my fords. Even better if you put a cummins in a ford body, A dodge is ok if you get a manual truck and don't mind fixing the suspension issues they have and all their plastic pieces having been made on a friday evening near quitting time

[@angelopadilla2759]

I have a 97 f350 7.3L manual 5 speed and I really love it, my dad was going to sell it to pay bills and I told him to sell my Yamaha 700 raptor instead and I never regretted it

[@nou8257]

@@angelopadilla2759 Gotta love the obs trucks

[@pyramidlake7124]

I have a 99 7.3 that I have put 300k on. Still have it! Very little issues! I had a 02 7.3 that I sold at 411k with very little issues! They key to them is Maintenance Maintenance, and Maintenance! I replaced the 411k 7.3 with the 5.0 Cummins! I love the truck! Coming up on 50k. No issues! But the best truck ever, Hands down! 7.3

[@christ6671]

The construction company I work for had both trucks. Cummins is a great engine but the rest of the truck falls apart. Ford super duty’s hold up way better. Both good looking trucks though.

[@VAHOSS]

Exactly. Its not a good comparison because they're really comparing a cummins diesel to an overall good truck.

[@loganmckinney1285]

Yep dodge trucks are cheap rattles apart, had one I did injectors and pump on and I swear the headlights were shaking like loose eyeballs lol

[@theyeetus1428]

I'd swap a 12v Cummins into a F-550 for the ultimate truck.

[@christ6671]

@@theyeetus1428 Our company mechanic has that combo in a 08 F550. 6.4 blow up so he put a low mileage 5.9 Cummins in its place. Makes a great shop truck.

[@blueonblackpowerstroke513]

@@christ6671 I bet it's an absolute dog on the road though lol especially if it has ... 5:13's I think it is?

[@chrisfelske2904]

Awesome vid as usual dude. As a 🇨🇦 who loves the old diesels, and I’ve owned almost all of them, it warms my heart to see rust free examples of these legends. My dream ride I owned early ‘98, 12 valve, 6 spd swapped, with suicide doors, rust was a killer. As it has been with all my rides. Love the content brother 👍

[@christopherstromberg3070]

I’m a Cummins fanboy but they’re both awesome. I wouldn’t be able to choose. My dad had a few of the dodges from this era growing up so I would probably lean that way strictly because of the sentimental value. They’re both great and if I was asked while driving them I would probably choose whichever one I was driving at that particular point.

[@dee5298]

My family still runs my stepfather's 01 7.3 f3 as a communal work truck. He died about 5 years ago. Sentimentality is definitely a factor.

[@johnathanscott2672]

I have an 01 7.3 Excursion. Had it since 03. Super reliable with beautiful interior. Every mechanic that services it asks me if I want to sell. My kids will be driving this truck when I’m gone in 20 years.

[@brandonmorrison1209]

I have a 7.3 and the only down fall is the trans. It needs a bigger trans cooler which isn’t that big of a deal just installed the 6.0 cooler

[@brettscott3759]

Get a banks trans commander.... my 7.3 has never dropped the Trans and its stock... and I've done lots of dumb stuff

[@eddiearre]

Yeah trans definitely needs help on the 7.3, first day I got mine, hooked up my trailer with skid loader, damn trans went out 10 min down the road, replaced with another used trans but currently rebuilding the og trans, will definitely look into better cooling options

[@timothylaforest9603]

Fuel Mileage sucks on all ford's.

[@remingtonwendt7756]

@@eddiearre damn first 10 mins what was the temp that day?? Most be like 100° or something

[@nou8257]

One of my trucks is a 7.3 buts its a 6 speed vs a 4r100 its so much better then the auto the rpm is lower on highway etc my 6.4's 5r110 is a big step up from a 4r100 too not drove a 6.0 with a 5r100 in them only 6 speed 6.0's

[@brettscott3759]

Me and my wife daily drive 7.3s as soon as the engines drop out they are getting 5.9s... ive been around the truck 20 years sofar so good and I still have my stock Trans never rebuilt... the 5.9 shure is easy to work on lots of room...

[@Gonz.0]

Don't got a 7.3. But a 6.8 v10 with 473k. When it goes its getting a 5.9 also.

[@brettscott3759]

@@Gonz.0 lol the v10 is insane especially the fuel economy a 4x4 excursion probably gets 8mpg 😆 🤣 😂

[@Gonz.0]

@@brettscott3759 ha. It's ridiculous. But reliable

[@PurpleLightning2]

😂 the 7.3 is gonna last longer than you.

[@brettscott3759]

@@PurpleLightning2 lol it better we have 2 excursions and a f250... one of the excursions my mother bought brand new I was taken to school and learned how to drive in it... my mom passed and my father gave me the car... my wife takes my kids to school in it... I was there for the purchase of the f250 when my uncle bought it and I bought it from him for 4k.... God bless my aunt lol it had 160k miles on it 🙌... yep these are investment vehicles I'm currently taking a break from rebuilding the 2nd excursion to respond lol up pipes, turbo, hop the works...

[@packingbone1953]

I’ve owned both and in the long run I’ll take the 7.3

[@TheCamaro5]

my dads 99 has 550k miles never been apart never had a pump or turbo or injector put in it.

[@jonathanpalmer228]

Have the best of both words. Take the Cummins and put it in the Ford

[@twayland6186]

@@jonathanpalmer228 you can get a 6.4 ford really cheap and cummins swap it. Its so common they actually sell kits to do it.

[@angry_gamer3138]

7.3 less goo

[@lilbusta9194]

Yessir

[@illegalPaint]

This is so helpful. I'm looking for a late 90's heavy duty diesel work truck and this comparison is just what I needed. Thanks! Also dig the Diddly Squat Farm shirt. Jeremy Clarkson is iconic.

[@misterbulger]

I'm looking at an 03 7.3 F450 right now. I'm beyond excited to go check it out.

[@napagamer7634]

Andrew needs to find a set of old mechanical diesels and compare them too each other, I think a sick show down would be a 7.3idi, 12v, and a 6.5 Detroit like if you agree

[@JustDiesels]

That would basically just be the 12v walking all over the competition! I’m up for it though!

[@napagamer7634]

@@JustDiesels gotta find some turbo 7.3 idi and 6.5 Detroits

[@junkers4567]

@@JustDiesels i dunno man, those old detroits are something to be reckoned with

[@jacksongay6848]

@jeremy pollitt I’ve always heard that GM marketed the 6.5 for more fuel economy rather than power.

[@aaronharvey9434]

@jeremy pollitt I’ll put money on a 94 7.3 idi WITH the factory turbo over a 12v any day of the week. Competition can’t be fair if they don’t all have turbos.

[@tyenbreck1]

I know with my 12 valve its easy to work on with tons of room in engine bay and you can build a ton of power cost effectively vs the Ford. Lot less parts but the weak point is the trans. Always liked the sound of the Cummins. Good vid thanks for the comparison

[@eclifton4070]

Upgrade the 7.3 to the radius arms and coil springs from the 04-16 Super Duties. You get better ride and turning radius. I did it and it makes a huge difference.

[@jstar1000]

Do tell, any vids on this?

[@eclifton4070]

@@jstar1000 I'm not a KZbinr so, no videos. Happy to share if someone wanted to share my experience and build. I would say my build is a bit unique as I used an F550 super 60 front axle and all the steering components too. It has the Carli Unchained suspension system with OneUpOffroads radius arms.

[@jstar1000]

@@eclifton4070 I thought maybe you knew of some, not necessarily your videos. Oh well, Ill do some research. Thanks for the response.

[@All7.3FordTrucks]

This is a great question and a great comparison. Thanks!

[@jaxcooper999]

Love how you explain things in simple terms😂keep going bro!

[@tikitorch3117]

I’ve owned and daily driven both and still have the 7.3. They are both incredible trucks but I will say not only on the 2nd gen is the interior by far worse, so is the general truck itself aside from the motor. They look immaculate but the components like steering, ac, paint quality, etc are all marginally cheaper and not as quality as those on the ford. I loved my 24 valve though. The ride quality and ease of accessibility in the engine bay were huge perks. But I gotta say, if I had to chose one to take with me to work or tow across the country, I’m taking the 7.3 in a heart beat. Great Video!! Personally I think the two greatest diesel trucks ever made easily!

[@davidrichardson6749]

Engine: Ram, barely Looks: Ram, barely (subjective I know) Interior: Ford, easily Other mechanical aspects and truck in general: Ford, pretty easily. Can’t go wrong with either, 2 absolute beasts and legends.

[@masonh2538]

@None Ya probably because there are more fords around your area. Most of the vehicles in shops in my area are gm but there are more gm products around.

[@Jszul2318]

@None Ya At my shop its mostly fords too but it seems like they are all work trucks... the rams that come in are just for personal use and are usually in better shape.

[@im.the.wanderer]

I definitely have to go with the 5.9 Cummins. The 2nd gen has its problems but they are justified in comparison to the 7.3. The mechanical injectors for the 5.9 is a huge win over the 7.3 The VP-44 holds it back only when it’s accompanied by a stock lift pump.

[@AndersonMotorWorks]

Well said I’m a 5.9 guy myself

[@justinclemons9100]

One thing I will poInt out that was said in the beginning of the video that is a little miss leading is that this is the final generation for the 24valve. Actually it’s the final generation for the 12valve. The 24 valve ran 1.5 more generations past 02. It got updated with a bigger turbo different intake slightly bigger injectors for 03.5-2005 2005.5- 07.5 they changed the tuning and egr temp and got a little more out before the completely switched to the current 6.7l displacement. There was a 1.5 year run where the 6.7 and 5.9 ran concurrent from the beginning of 06-07.5. The 6.7 in those years was the high output choice. Both great trucks and if ford put a Cummins in their trucks and not the powerstroke then that would be a truck that everyone would buy. I’m dodge through and through but the 7.3diesel is the only ford engine I really like from that time period

[@BrandonJackson-c6b]

Different engine the 03 and up are common rail

[@WobblinGoblin1]

I've got a '94 Dodge Cummins 12v NV4500 and an '03 Ford 7.3L Powerstroke 4R100. Both are driven regularly in the construction trade. The Dodge/Cummins truck is built almost bumper to bumper while the Ford is bone stock. Engine: I feel bad for the 7.3L because it's been as reliable as a hammer, but I'm going with the 5.9L Cummins. Again, that takes nothing away from the Powerstroke, as it's been 100% reliable since I drove it off the lot brand new. I love the pull and the sound of the Cummins. Transmission: apples and oranges comparison, as the Dodge has a 5spd manual (and it's really good), while the Ford has an automatic. In 19 years, the 4R100 hasn't given me any issues whatsoever and both trucks tow trailers all the time. Ride quality: again, apples to oranges as the Dodge is a dually and the Ford is SRW. Neither rides smoothly, but I suspect if the Dodge was SRW it would ride better than the Ford. Interior design: The 2nd gen really set the bar high for all trucks that came after it (not just Dodges, either). The storage behind the seats (regular cab) is the first of its kind and really well thought out, as is the flip down center console/seat. I'm going to give it the win over the Ford because even though both trucks are similarly designed inside, Dodge did it first. Interior quality: Yeah, Ford wins here. My 19 year old interior looks brand new and functions exactly like it did in '03. You can't fake that kind of quality. On the other hand, the Dodge is 27 years old and is still in pretty good shape too. I treat my trucks with respect, so that kind of care goes a long way in keeping things intact and looking good. Brakes: Given that the Ford Super Duty came out five years after the 2nd gen Dodges were introduced, of course the brakes would be better. My Dodge has an aftermarket exhaust brake, however, which helps to even things out a little bit. Neither truck has brakes anywhere close to late model pickups, though. Intangibles: I've got the best of both worlds. A 12v 5.9L Cummins and the last, best 7.3L Powerstroke ever made. The Dodge stands out more due to the fact that it's a 2nd gen and a dually with a flatbed. The Ford doesn't get as many looks because even though it's 19 years old, the design doesn't stand out from it's peers or those that came after it as much as the 2nd gens do. Whenever I do notice someone checking out my '03, I know they understand the subtle reasons why it caught their eye. I think I can sum up both trucks this way: 2nd gens threw down the gauntlet and dared the other manufacturers to beat it. GM failed for years, but Ford took the competition seriously enough to design a truck that will be just as legendary, not for its innovation like the 2nd gen, but for simply being one of the best pickups of all time.

[@calebgardner2645]

The 7.3 since I’m more particular with it and also I been to hell and back in my 7.3

[@thomasbooth9079]

Both solids trucks and engines, interior definitely goes to the Ford. Treated right neither engine should have major issues for a long time. I’ve got a 2000 Ford (250k miles) and never thought it was rough, at least not for a truck. I’m sure the Dodge rides better with it’s front end but it may also develop a death wobble that the Ford won’t.

[@phililrahn2977]

My dad had a 2003 f250 with a 7.3 and when he sold it had 390k, it rode rough but because it was lifted, the Ford in this video is definitely lifted to so that’s why they think that but I’ve always thought fords ride great, the leaf spring suspension is def worth it if it’s taken care of

[@1g_dsm_life154]

Lol I've had ford's with death wobble and 4th gen steering fixes the death wobble problem.

[@thomasbooth9079]

@@1g_dsm_life154 leaf springs in the front?

[@averyw.3939]

Pretty much anything with a solid front axle can develop death wobble, leaf springs included. The Dodge is more likely to get it though, mainly because of the track bar.

[@nicholasgerardi553]

"Both of the trucks are legendary for their reliability." Dodge transmission has left the chat.

[@DFX4509B]

With Ford auto gearboxes during the '99-'03 era following close behind.

[@ballomni]

Original owner of an E350 super duty 7.3 van , with many up grades including OEM injectors , much bigger Turbo and roadmaster suspension, plus a HYDRA. Training done sift kit with a billet Converter and Edge2 system for Gauges. Note it is the limited Explorer Edition modification Van. Tow’s great with great mileage 15 all day towing, 10,000 all day.

[@Kernfederate]

Living in California, I absolutely love my '96 Dodge 12v with the 5 speed manual. She's not the prettiest, but I don't have to smog it, which is a win to me. I have the 4.10 rear end unfortunately, but I'm still able to squeeze 23 mpg highway. I've definitely had my ups and downs over the last five years of ownership, but overall she's been a decently reliable truck. Love the video, and to answer your question, I'd take either happily, but the Dodge has a special place in my heart for sure.

[@tylerp9620]

Both legendary trucks. Styling points for me for the Ram and daily driving coils. So that would be the tie breaker.

[@noahfoufoulas4761]

I daily a 96 12 valve and love it. Working on it is fairly easy and it's honestly low maintenance. I'm your opinion what engine do you prefer? 12 valve or 24 valve?

[@afterhoursfab842]

I have been daily driving my 93d350 12v for 8 years and all I did was upgrade the turbo truck has given me zero problems , I just bought a 04 common rail 24v and love the truck gets up and goes alot better than my 12v

[@datguy7204]

One time my alternator burn on my 1991 w250 Cummins. Disconnect the alternator fix the wire fuse link, restart the truck and drove it 1h 1/2 back to my home, save me tone of money.

[@datguy7204]

12V manual cause of the mechanical pump and less electrical

[@WolfTheWhiteVideos]

I'm a fairly new owner of a 12 valve 2nd gen manual longbed with Banks Turbo. I'll never buy another truck. Tows like there's nothing behind it even at 75 with a 5 ton load.

[@ericlund941]

I've had a 12v and 24v. I prefer the 24v over the 12

[@randybo5085]

Gotta hand it to the 7.3 over the 5.9 by just a little for my personal preference. Both badass trucks.

[@MyCarsandProjects]

So, as I have often said, the problem with the Cummins is that it's wrapped up in a Dodge. Obviously I'm a Ford guy, but this video makes my case. There's not much cooler than a I-6 motor, and diesel and turbo on top of that, well, that's the cream of the crop, but build quality and overall package, sounds like Ford knows how to build trucks if you ask me, Dodge knows how to outsource the best engine option. Where do I go wrong?

[@michaelminarik7468]

Great honest review of two great trucks! I agree on many of the points addressed in the review. On transmissions pertaining to Dodge 47RE/47RH...that transmission is actually a torqflite 727 with an extra gear. One of the best transmissions ever built by Mopar. Problem is however, the torque Cummins makes is substantial and might run into issues. Changing transmission fluid/filter every couple years, deep transmission pan, proper band adjustment and not driving with your foot to the floor from every stoplight would be beneficial. Unfortunately, many people drive diesels like they’re race cars, but they are built for endurance not speed. Keeping that in mind will spare any diesel from costly drivetrain repairs.

[@ceejaylong444]

I admit I have a heavy foot but damn mine let go 2 times within a year😂

[@Efrain.34]

If it’s a second gen 12 valve I’ll take the Cummins, now if it’s a 24 valve second gen I’ll take the 7.3, I grew up around both, both can reliable but something bout those 12 valves.

[@billkoskie6888]

Both engines are excellent. Dodge trucks seem to have more issues with everything else. It used to be a common saying about Dodges that they have a million mile motor in a 50,000 mile truck. On Fords, the various sensors and engine harnesses seem to come up. And one has to be dedicated to repair the leaks the 7.3 gets. But if you get one that either has already gone past these issues, either truck will give very long life, good fuel economy and excellent resale value.

[@IndyFied]

Yeah I know that's right😂

[@HaltonLax44]

I have always loved the look of both these rigs. But to me the Ford reigns supreme. The 7.3 Powerstroke was what got me into trucks.. the sound they make is incredible. And honestly, I think this gen Ford is the best looking truck ever built

[@200130769]

A v8 diesel will never reign supreme. Theres a reason why semis ditched v8's back in the mid 70s. Now if Ford would have stayed with cat, I'd agree with you

[@jameshawk2470]

@@200130769 the 7.3 is a caterpillar design bought by international and sold to ford bud.

[@BroadcastBuddy]

These jokers don't even realize ships, mine trucks and locomotives use V arranged diesels.

[@canadagoose27]

@@200130769 Yes the straight six is king of the road at least in North America, but it's the V's that move mountains. I ran the first CAT D11's with the 3508 V8 as well as D11N's on up to current versions with V12's.

[@RonHerrington-f5o]

I own both. 2000 Excursion and 2001 3500 ram. 420k on the Ex and 225K on the ram. Both transmissions overhauled once . Ram is running a mild tune and after market exhaust

[@spevakdesigns]

Just picked up an 02 Dodge 2500 5.9L Cummins 5spd 4x4 regular cab long bed and am loving it so far. Plan is to eventually turn it into a mechanics service rig with toolboxes, a welder and a crane on a flatbed.

[@justinm.791]

I had a 2nd gen from 96 until just last year....loved the truck. My only complaint was the interior..as said here...cheap, flimsy materials. My dash essentially disintegrated, when driving all the panels squeaked constantly.. everything was really brittle inside.

[@inourvendetta1]

After 2 transmission replacements in the 5.9 the 7.3 is better had both. The interior completely fell apart in the dodge

[@nou8257]

Yeah the ford is hands down just a better build quality truck the only reason to own a dodge is the cummins but then again they make kits to put them in fords

[@matthewwilliams9028]

No way 7.3 a hundred k engine max a Cummins will run a million plus no sweat.

[@nou8257]

@@matthewwilliams9028 The Cummins will but the rest of the truck won't. My 7.3 has 237k with no blow by it may not run a million miles but it will do as many as it's able for me. Also I heard that same bullshit about my 6.4 power stroke being a 150k engine it has 200k and I've seen them higher then that and big whop if it blows up I'll Cummins swap it

[@inourvendetta1]

@@matthewwilliams9028 100k what lol there are alot of people with over 500. The cummins is just as reliable. 1 Million is not really common for either one but it has happened on both. Search on youtube lol

[@hooddowntime2143]

Huge advantage of the 7.3, if you lose oil pressure, you lose your injectors and your truck dies, if you lose oil pressure on a Cummins, you’re doing damage. After owning both, I would not have another 24 valve. The weak lift pump, trash transmission, and the electrical problems galore.

[@briandhoward6137]

I own a 02 Cummins and an 02 7.3 , you guys are spot on.

[@BillWilder-t9e]

I like this comparison format and the neutrality and honesty

[@nathanwhite8110]

I didn’t catch it if you mentioned it but is that a dash “cap” in the dodge or original dash because it’s the only 2nd gen dash without a crack I have ever seen!

[@Kevin-oe6gv]

I have an 01 5.9, I've had it since 05 and the dash was of course cracked. So I bought a new one in 05 and replaced it. Factory install had the 6 screws by the windshield, a bunch under the front bezel and too many coming from underneath. So I opted out of putting the screws back on the underside and still have a dash in one piece, can't say the same for the rest of the dash now but I starting a full restoration on the old girl.

[@JustDiesels]

That’s an original dash! My truck has been garage stored since new and has under 60k miles!

[@joshpodolsky7740]

On our farm we've got an 00' and a 01' 3500 that my dad bought both brand new off the lot. Both still original dashes, not broken, both over 300,000 km's. And they are farm trucks, shit gets thrown into them all the time.

[@averyw.3939]

97 and 01 work trucks and my 02 personal rig are all closing in on 300,000 miles and the 01 is the only one with a tiny crack. I’m in a northern climate though so not as much sun, and the rust is a whole different story.

[@pineappleboi27]

Him: "What would you choose" Me: *cries in can't decide* These are my 2 favorite trucks ever with OBS ford's coming in 3rd.

[@jdubskiwright2380]

@jeremy pollitt cant beat a 8th or 9th gen ford 150 or 250 with any motor from the 300 straight six to the 302 or 5.8 351 Windsor..there all good strong motors I've seen all 3 with well over 300k miles on them..just gotta spray them off after winter driving and they won't rust out

[@jdubskiwright2380]

@jeremy pollitt absolutely there not exactly fast but they are torque monsters and they can last a very long time when taken care of properly..there built closer to a diesel engine the way there designed..except for using gas instead of diesel there actually very similar..

[@jdubskiwright2380]

@jeremy pollitt it was probably a 95 or 96 model because 97 was the year they became 10th generation which was the bubble body and they started using the modular motors which were the 4.6 and 5.4 v8s.. the 300 straight six lasted from 1964 all the way till 96..didn't change much other then different intakes carburetors and exhaust manifolds..and of course became fuel injected in 86 but other then that it remained unchanged it's an awesome motor and truly worth rebuilding I'd like to install a bigger cam, injectors from the 5.0 v8 and a header..that alone really wakes up the straight six.. I also want to turbo it with a turbo from a 7.3 powerstroke just 8 psi of boost and you can push around 250 hp and over 450 ft lbs of torque and it makes the mileage go up to around 23 to 25 mpg..that would be amazing to get tht kind of mileage..mines a 94 300 six with the 5spd 2wd.. they respond well to the boost also..

[@scottcummings8074]

I have had both. I loved the extra cab space of my 7.3 crew cab, but my 5.9 turned sharper and easier. After having a 01 7.3 and 02 5.9 I will go with the cummins every time. My cummins was by far cheaper to maintain and even though the body and interior does not compare to ford's, the pulling power and mechanical reliability was a lot better on the dodge. I have lost the transmission on both trucks but think ford's transmission is better. I'm starting to build my ideal truck now. It's an 03 dodge 2500 crew cab, already sold the gas hemi, transmission, and transfer case. I have a 12 valve going in it mated to a Ford 5r100 5 speed automatic and transfer case. Also uses a Ford starter and alternator. The only electronics on the engine are a tps for the transmission, a 12 volt fuel shut off, and tone ring with a pickup to tell the ecu the engine is running so my ac and dash work. I wish there was a chevy part I could use to say I used the best of all three manufacturers, but there was nothing I could replace that would be an improvement so I guess it's just a dodge ford combo for now.

[@elsieteenel303]

12v and Alison transmission in a ford

[@Kuzify]

Dodge suspension with a 7.3 with Chevy's Allison six speed.

[@scottytahoe]

I love my 7.3 and would take it over the Dodge any day. But I sure wish I had that Dodge suspension under my 7.3! Great video guys!!

[@CentralArkansasHomesteadandOff]

Having owned both, the 7.3 has a little more power, but the cummins wouldn't die, even with 450k miles in it. Both are great trucks. I got a 95 7.3 now, definitely looking to add another 01 3500 with the 5.9 like my last one to my fleet.

[@johnnyunderwood3036]

You can upgrade the 99 suspension to an 05 suspension and it will give it a remarkable amount of suspension in the front and doing away with the bouncing as you showed in the video

[@hayesshaffer2157]

7.3 all day We have had one for 10 years any only ever done maintenance and the transmission bug from 2001 that ford had. It has been a great truck

[@jebbest1947]

My family has had both Cummins and power stroke and I’ve always liked driving Cummins better

[@nazarethperez9760]

No one asked to know your family history bubba

[@ALT_RIGHT]

I love seeing what I would consider kids with great affection for these old gems

[@Noone-zd8lw]

5:20 the Achilles heel for r4100 is the radiator. Had mine have an internal failure where it mixed coolant and trans fluid so I had to have it rebuilt. She got the mishimoto treatment with rad, intercooler and trans cooler. Fingers crossed she’s bulletproof on that end now. Love my 7.3 excursion!!

[@spitfire1two]

I'm a 1st gen SD 7.3 fan - own an 01 350 CCLB with a 6 speed. Definitely considered an early-2000s Cummins, but couldn't stand getting another extended cab rather than a full 4-door. But either way, both of these trucks are awesome. Inline 6 Cummins is soooo hard to beat.

[@jerryfuentes1985]

I’m a hands on mechanic kind of guy that’s why I pick the Cummins so easy to work on also the way that engine sounds and puts the torque down it’s great. But the 7.3 is a great engine too.

[@jacksonmeads1161]

Yeah I've heard Cummins are really easy to take apart.

[@ryankoch4068]

Every driven a 5.9 with the manual either the5 speed of the 6? They are entirely different different trucks with the manuals. And they become really reliable.

[@StableNomad]

I drive a 12v gen2 5spd manual. I've driven it for 17 years. It's been incredibly reliable.

[@averyw.3939]

And the best part is no more crappy fold down cup holder.

[@MJ_Landscapes]

Ford as he stated had the 7.3 which was best motor in fords, also tho. The obs 7.3 is argued as the best diesel motor made being an international based motor. 12 Valve isn't bad, nor a can of the 24 Valve. But 7.3 all the way

[@toadranger50]

Got a 96 7.3 power stroke with 133’000 miles on it. Love it ! Also have a 22 Bronco Sport outer banks. Love it ! The only thing I don’t dislike on the dodge is the Cummins straight 6, it’s a good simple engine.

[@CysMix1]

Only thing I would disagree with is ride quality. Never been in a smooth riding 2nd gen the always feel like they are going to rattle apart.

[@420dredog]

2wd are 1000x better

[@CysMix1]

@@420dredog thats what I have amd drives like a cadie 2001 7.3

[@420dredog]

Dodge guy. 95 12 valve. Fords make good 4wd front Ed’s

[@deerepower337]

The super duty wins hands-down in overall quality by far it’s not even a comparison

[@mahpiyahoksila93]

idk kinda sounds like you’re wrong

[@Jszul2318]

@@mahpiyahoksila93 nah hes right

[@jeffreywoods2]

It's hilarious that the best parts of a Dodge truck are the parts that Dodge didn't make. Cummins engine, NP/NV/Aisin transmissions, Dana axles. The seats have cheap, flimsy leather (leaves a butt print when you get out), the dash is huge, in the way, and hideous (moreso in the coupes than the trucks), the engines either have decades-long lubrication issues (Hemi) or are totally underbuilt (3.0L EcoDiesel with trash main bearings). And the Dodge strategy is to quietly replace your seized engine at the dealership and hope you don't post too much bad press online. Stellantis/FCA is an awful carmaker

[@carlenger9707]

To me, the only flex you have with a second gen cummins is the engine. Enough said.

[@michaelasbury7121]

Basically, the Cummins part is good. The rest of it is shit.😂

[@jacobshahan6912]

as someone who lives in the rustbelt, you guys have it so nice. The amount of time and money it takes to keep anything that clean is insane, I'm so jealous.

[@danielboon9468]

owned both of them to and you guys did a great unbiased video on them. Spot on with the details

[@pierre-paulmcgraw2806]

Just bought a 99 7.3 6 speed manual and I'm in love! These trucks are impossible to find..

[@desertshooter007]

score!@ I just bought a 01 5.9 5-speed and it's badass! both extremely rare to find. Enjoy!

[@brettbranvold7840]

The 24v is not as efficient as the 12v. (By efficient I take it you mean fuel efficient). Also the 99 24v is not the same as the last 24v made, they changed again to common rail in 03 and different injections in 04.5.

[@eternalbeing3339]

P pump conversion and you would be just as good with the 24v.

[@DaileyWoodworks]

The 5.9 is the better engine. But I’d take the 7.3 because the truck as a whole is better than the dodge. The Cummins will run forever but you’ll have to replace the truck around it. The PowerStroke may last not quite forever but the truck will make it there with the engine. I do prefer the look of the dodge though

[@ptownfloyd9509]

Can we get a video on the vp44. How to prevent failures, what the options are when they do fail. And what we can replace them with or substitute them with and what’s the best brand to go with when replacing

[@sawdustadikt979]

This was great! I have a second gen Ram standard cab 2500 6spd, I’ve been driving it every day for 15 years in New England for my home renovation business. I did rent a crew cab f350 while my truck needed a new head. That f350 road like a stone, empty it did this weird leaf spring hopping that made me nauseous after an hour of driving, however it felt superb when I hooked my portable workshop trailer to it or my dump trailer to it. I mean it’s really nice. Like it road better loaded than my ram did empty. My second gen can tow every day but it’s all over the place by comparison. I acknowledge that it’s not a fair comparison of a crew cab dually to reg cab single wheel and all but I didn’t realize that I didn’t have what I needed. The interior also was a far better place to sit in the ford, despite the fact it was missing a pedal on the left and a lever coming out of the floor. Made me realize when it’s time to replace that second gen a one ton is the way to go for as often as I tow.

[@freddyleos]

All feelings aside there is no argument when it comes to engine platforms. Cummins wins all day. Even in the diesel race world, you see more cummins swaps into Fords than 7.3 swaps into dodge trucks if any. All that said, ill take a 99 7.3 supper duty over a 2nd gen anyday.

[@gailmail1]

I'd def take a 12v superduty haha, not too keen on the 2nd gen body/interiors aha

[@CoyoteFTW]

The new 6.7 power stroke comes with steel pistons. Their also used in OTR trucks, people pay 5k to install these in their race application Cummins or Duramax engine builds. Come stock in the 6.7 Power-Stroke

[@lgrw9883]

Well of course no one swaps a Powerstroke into a dodge truck lol. Dodge is a shit truck with a good engine, so it would take an idiot to swap a different emgine The rest of the dodge truck other than the engine is what needs to be swapped , that’s why people take the engine and put it into something else

[@elroyelblander6277]

@@CoyoteFTW the Europeans who designed it did a good thing then

[@jacksonmeads1161]

I honestly wish dodge interiors weren't made with cardboard and duct tape. And that the auto transmissions wouldnt randomly fall apart

[@LarryPerkins78]

yup...strange they would go to such lengths to get a great engine in the truck, then get so chinsy cheap with the transmission and interior. Seems like it's always been something like that with Chrysler

[@jeffreywoods2]

@@LarryPerkins78 That's FCA's M.O. They make awful vehicles that would have tanked if Cummins hadn't rescued them in 1987. It's not that the Cummins is a great truck and Dodge simply cheaped out on a few things like interior or transmission; it's that Dodge is a terrible carmaker and the non-Dodge components are the only good things about their trucks

[@livindalife5356]

I own a '02 7.3L but originally shopped for a 5.9L and gave up after looking at what they wanted for the miles they had. I'm happy with my 7.3L but wish it had a manual. No problems but I love manuals. I'd jump at your 5.9L if it were for sale.

[@nou8257]

Guess you found all the "I know what i got" 400k mile clapped out truck some kid on facebook is selling with the fuel on the engine turned up to right before the adjustment would break

[@frankycranky9707]

Wait the electronic 24 valve 5.9 ran all the way to the 2007 model? Not ending in 2002 like you have said.

[@JustDiesels]

They got a massive change in 2003 to the HPCR fuel system. Almost everything but the displacement size changed!

[@ericherrmann3799]

I own an early 99 SD. Worked on the 444 international in school buses, when I found out they put that 7.3 in a pickup I had to have one, ordered the 99 new traded in my 95 lighting ordered the XLT ext. cab short bed $38,000. 6" lift, 3 lifetime exhaust systems and 22 years of painting everything under it. 145.000 miles on it, great truck. Been in the garage for about 10 months repainting the entire frt. undercarriage again. Not really for sale but stuff happens, today's market I wouldn't sell it for less than $25.000. Thanks for the video, motivates me to go work on the 99. Sorry the only thing good on the dodge is the Cummins. And for leaf springs easy to work on, easy to lift-alter, no death wobble, and rides like a real truck no girly coils. Thats all.

[@jackk5562]

Before I say this I just want to clear some things up, I’ve owned both trucks, a 2001 7.3 long bed automatic and a 98.5 ram 2500 cummins 5 speed and a 2000 ram Cummins 5 speed dually. I didn’t own the truck but I’ve also pulled my horse trailer loaded with a manual Ford 7.3, no difference in towing performance. I towed the same trailer with the same load an both the Ford and the dodge. I will never tow with a 7.3 agin. The 7.3 powerstroke was a clean running diesel with a healthy trans. But it struggled on every mountain and every wind storm. Both of my Cummins didn’t care, the truck just did it. No problems, I didn’t even have to shift out of 5th gear when pulling hills at 60 mph. Of corse I did anyway because I didn’t want to hurt my trans. But I’ve pulled hills in 5th gear a few times just to prove it could do it. The 7.3 struggled, a lot. Every hill it had to shift down to second gear going 29 miles per hour no matter what hill I pulled. And it wouldn’t go faster. The Cummins, I could tune it without having to replace a bunch of parts, The powerstroke, I had to replace the hpop and the lines just to be able to tune the truck ........ “This is what a diesel shop told me” My horse trailer is only 3800 pounds empty With 3 horses plus tac and feed it weights 5500 ish, that’s not a lot of weight. I’ve also pulled 7000 pounds of steel beams with both trucks. Ford struggled, dodge didn’t care, it pulled it with no problems. Also guys and galls I’m not trying to start a argument, but I’m just giving you my experience on both trucks. Anyway all I’m trying to say is that dodge was a better experience for me. I hate towing with automatics. I will always prefer manual I’ve towed the same trailer with the same load with manual 7.3 and Manuel 5.9 Cummins. Also there’s one more thing I want to say, I’ve towed with the newer 6.7 powerstroke and 6.7 Cummins. I didn’t get enough drive time to have a opinion on the newer trucks yet . “250 and 2500” hopefully in the future I will get a chance to put the newer trucks to the test.

[@Jim_Lawrence]

I'm willing to bet that 7.3 needed up-pipes. They all go, and when they leak they still run great, just down on power. Your 7.3 experience is not in a properly working 7.3. For comparison, my 7.3 zf6 towed my 11,500 lb 5th wheel camper in the hills at 70. Just a superchips tune at that time. Granted not mountain passes, but decent grades. Once I did bigger injectors and a turbo, accelerating up hills at 80 was possible.

[@jackk5562]

@@Jim_Lawrence my Ford 7.3 was stock and was in working order. Truck had a rebuilt trans plus new hpop “stock” and up pipes with paperwork from the previous owner. The comparison I am making in my last comment was a stock 7.3 to a stock 5.9 Cummins. You had to buy new parts and upgrade parts and tune your truck to be able to pull hills at 80 All I had to do was tune my truck and I can now pull hills at 80 with my 11500 pound “loaded” horse trailer.

[@jackk5562]

@@Jim_Lawrence and don’t get me wrong if a Ford works good for you then great ! 👍🏻 everyone has different needs that Ford dodge or Chevy can tend to ! Dodge happens to work good for me, I’ve had good luck with Dodge Ram trucks. If a Ford works good for you and you are happy with your truck then that’s all that matters. All I was trying to say is that when is comes to pulling power the Cummins pulled a lot better then the power stroke did.

[@Jim_Lawrence]

@@jackk5562 whether there were receipts or not, something wasn't right. Stock and un-tuned I could keep up with traffic in the hills. At 11,500. I had a second Gen vp44 truck in the past too. Yes it towed well, previous owner put a full banks kit on. Also had a stock 03 Duramax Allison. Point being, if your 7.3 struggled with 3500 lbs, something wasn't right. Pre turbo exhaust leak, boost leak, low fuel pressure etc...

[@stevot1206]

I love my 7.3 so reliable just like they said maintaining powerstroke all the way

[@chuckgray4246]

I don’t think I have ever heard of anyone putting a 7.3 into a dodge…

[@ApolloTheDerg]

I’m gonna do it now. But also, if your putting a motor in a carcass, the ford tends to be a bit better of a platform.

[@nolansmith4972]

Why put a good motor in a shitty truck😂

[@exgladius]

Theres a reason they call dodges shipping crates and not trucks

[@matthewwilliams9028]

That's like putting a turd in a water fountain international anything is junk.

[@aaron368]

My 01 Cummins has 250k miles interior is perfect. No dings scratches anything broken. Just kept a sun screen in my windshield while parked and it’s held up amazing