Oculus Founder On Apple Vision Pro w/ Palmer Luckey | EP #50

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In this episode, Peter and Palmer discuss Apple’s Vision Pro, How it will change the future of VR headsets, and Facebook’s response to Apple. Palmer Luckey is a visionary entrepreneur and inventor known for his groundbreaking contributions to the virtual reality industry. As the founder of Oculus VR, Luckey revolutionized the way we experience immersive digital worlds with the development of the Oculus Rift, a pioneering virtual reality headset. With a passion for pushing technological boundaries, Luckey's innovative spirit continues to shape the future of virtual reality and its applications across various industries.
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Topics:
0:00 Intro
1:38 The Vision Of VR Pioneers
3:37 Reinventing The Defense Industry
5:06 Government Procurement: The One Bidder System
7:13 Taming Wildfires With X Prize
8:07 Stick To The Hawaiian Shirt
8:32 The Power of Virtual Reality
12:54 The Oculus Revolution Of VR
16:13 AD: Unlock Comfort Through Temperature
17:41 The Changing Vision Of Oculus
18:58 The Considerations In Selling A Company
20:25 VR: Bridging Real & Virtual
23:30 Augmented Social Expectations
29:24 The Future Of VR Input
32:44 Innovative User Interfacing
35:26 Is Facebook's Push On VR Premature?
43:22 Reinventing Defense In Ukraine
49:12 AD: Levels
51:03 Revamping Defense Technology
59:58 Building Products To Sell To The Government
1:03:25 AI-Driven Company: Lattice
1:05:13 Autonomous AI Pilot: The Ghost
1:11:40 To Boldly Go: Mars Or Outer Planets?
1:12:07 Dreams or Skills? What Comes First?
1:13:32 Following Bad Dreams?
1:19:38 Solving Big Problems For Profit
1:24:14 AI: Mankind's Greatest Threat?
1:26:41 Defending Against AI Threats
1:32:44 Autonomous Firefighting Technologies
1:34:45 Ending Destructive Wildfires Possible
1:38:05 Living Life To Its Fullest
1:38:59 A Prize To Advance Intelligence
1:43:46 Hire People Who Outshine You
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[@brianblueskies]

Palmer's take on Apples Vision Pro starts at 20:25

[@sc9084]

Ty.

[@galaxystarrr]

Thank you so much!

[@theone8625]

Thank you so much. I wasn't interested in any other aspect of this interview, particularly the historical Oculus stuff that many people already know.

[@underbelly69]

the early adopters on the pyramid scheme

[@just-nat]

Thank you

[@andrewzed544]

I was on a Southwest flight with Palmer from San Jose to Orange County couple weeks ago. He had his Hawaiian shirt, cargo pants and slippers on and his phone, that was it. No one seemed to recognize him, he was Group C and sat in the very last row. Ultra low key, down to earth guy.

[@RomanPierceAi]

Crazy cause he’s literally a billionaire. What a cool guy.

[@andrewzed544]

@@RomanPierceAi Yeah, I think his net worth is around $1B+, but it is not public. I was shocked when I recognized him in the line... He took the flight without a single bag. A friend of mine works at Anduril here in SoCal from the early days and he said Palmer drives his AMG to Taco Bell just like that. Zero drama, just a simple guy. Love that humility and simplicity.

[@RomanPierceAi]

@@andrewzed544that’s really cool. Thanks for sharing that. Good taste with an AMG lol

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

:P 90% of this video was about Hawaiian shirts! 💀💀🤡🤣🤣 Just Kittens. XD Great interview! 🔥👻

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

:3 Android, Windows, and Linux > MacOS and iOS iOS and Mac copied a lot. All their Chinese sweatshops with suicide nets because they don't want to pay higher. Most of the workers are under the legal working age in China, according to recent exposures in a documentary I saw. Apple is limited plenty, especially in gaming, and lacks buttons on phones. They copied the drop-down notification bar from Android. Super overpriced, too. Anyways, Steve Jobs was a fellow vegan. Like one of the best submarine exploration people, James Cameron. James Cameron famously said, "Veganism is the new Viagra.". So true!

[@ErikPelyukhno]

I really like the way Palmer Luckey speaks, so much charisma. Great interview

[@thnjiyu]

This is the first time i stumble across this channel and let me just say im amazed at how great of an interviewer Peter is! Great questions and allowing the guest to get his whole idea in before transitioning to the next topic great interview!

[@jollyneuron]

Fully agree

[@MechAnonymous]

Luckey for president

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

:D 90% of this video was about Hawaiian shirts! 💀💀🤡🤣🤣 Just Kittens. XD Great interview! 🔥👻

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

^_^ Android, Windows, and Linux > MacOS and iOS iOS and Mac copied a lot. All their Chinese sweatshops with suicide nets because they don't want to pay higher. Most of the workers are under the legal working age in China, according to recent exposures in a documentary I saw. Apple is limited plenty, especially in gaming, and lacks buttons on phones. They copied the drop-down notification bar from Android. Super overpriced, too. Anyways, Steve Jobs was a fellow vegan. Like one of the best submarine exploration people, James Cameron. James Cameron famously said, "Veganism is the new Viagra.". So true!

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

^_^ :3 It's a two-party puppet show though. The fellow deist Founding Fathers fought against having any political parties, and now we have the two-party puppet show. The fellow deist Founding Fathers also were against the fake Federal Reserve. Since 1913, the fake Federal Reserve has ruined America more, especially 1933+ when money became debt notes. A ton of preemptive warmongering profiteering unconstitutional wars to bring central banking at the costs of exposed blackmailing, destruction of countries, etc. Trump is a massive puppet, a compulsive liar. Never a third-party to win. America only has "republic" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and it's clear as day that the majority vote doesn't change a law, hence republic. The IRS is foreign, too. Income taxes were never supposed to be permanent, and now they're mostly good low-quality services, wars, and for politicians to make themselves richer. United Slaves/Shareholders of America. Occupy Wall Street failed. Bernie Sanders, fellow Jewish brother, lied about Nordic nations being socialist, when they themselves state that they're capitalistic. Besides the infamous Crime Bill that Biden founded, that Bernie signed, the Clintons signed, etc. The Restrict Act may pass, making it illegal to have any VPN, illegal to try to hide any files on your devices, make scanning of files mandatory before encryption (defeating the whole purpose), and whatever else. It's a massive fine, and up to 20 years in jail. They don't care much about human trafficking, since most of that comes from government orphanages anyways, officially. 9/11 was an obvious inside job. The CIA denying to release all the JFK files after 57 years further proves an inside job. Debt capital. Suicide capital. Prison capital, with about 25% of the world's prisoners in America, in for-profit prisons, and even hidden prisons. Many wrongfully jailed to get commission, to get revenge, etc. So on and so forth. I was born and raised in infamous Miami, FL, USA, and thankfully left years ago. I've been in the Philippines for the meantime until I can move again somewhere else. Most of the world is unfortunately non-vegan, but it's getting a bit better. Thankfully, near-death experience consensus shows most people leaving cancerous religion and cancerous material atheism dogma, too. Amongst the many mistranslations, self-contradicting statements, forgeries, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, and so forth of my Jewish people. Thankfully, we're the least religious of any culture, ironically, but not surprisingly with fellow deist, Einstein (was a vegetarian, which isn't so good, but better than most people), and many other smart ones debunking religions.

[@tmsmqwx]

21:41 2015: "Before VR can become something that everyone can afford, it must become something that everybody wants." A great quote frequently transcends the period during which it was spoken. This dude is a definite visionary. I like the part about the discussion of whether or not people would actually wear VR headsets in public someday being looked upon as "a quaint relic."

[@ZZZXYZ]

terrible quote because it already aged.

[@tmsmqwx]

@@ZZZXYZ How so?

[@davidhoracek6758]

Palmer Luckey's look is converging on Ricky from Trailer Park Boys, and I love it!

[@cooleobrad]

"Anduril Systems, when I looked it up it's the elven god in the Dragon Age universe." Palmer was polite not to correct him and just chuckle at the follow-up question. For the record they are named after Aragorn's sword, Andúril, "Flame of the West" from the Lord of the Rings. They even have a replica of it in their offices.

[@jollyneuron]

Remarkable split second decision not to respond 😄

[@cumbeldore420]

That's so sick

[@rudynunez6415]

Their pronunciation of the Elven tongue is appaling. Hurts my ears

[@Nebrunner89]

embarassing faux pas by the interviewer but a very graceful recovery by Palmer

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

90% of this video was about Hawaiian shirts! 💀💀🤡🤣🤣 Just Kittens. XD Great interview! 🔥👻

[@Solidfreeman01]

Have been following palmer since the times of oculus devkit. Good to see him making videos again

[@acslater017]

It’s been nearly 10 years since my mind was blown on Rift DK1!

[@Solidfreeman01]

@@acslater017 It was very interesting to follow the development. I still have my rift CV1 and no headset ever was interesting for me. Since they do not have OLED, which is crucial OR are insanely expensive. Got the rift CV1 for 400€ one year after release.

[@agi-techgonewild]

Likewise! Will watch this now! 💯😎

[@mikeshree3848]

Very good and clear communication. He is very genuine, clear and transparent. He spoke so good from Truck Driver's views. You have lived well life, I guess.

[@Zimtok5]

Exceptional interview with Palmer. Well structured, interesting dialogue. At times, eye opening.

[@erikm9768]

Too many ad breaks

[@SkilledCheckmates]

You fail to mention Palmer's massive head

[@MrFredericandre]

@@erikm9768 get YT premium or an ad blocker

[@terrycarlton6991]

I'm blown away by that interview

[@Category5]

Never heard a lot of Palmer speaking before. He really is brilliant.

[@Meatchop]

it's disappointing that accessibility is not discussed regarding the future of the vr computer interface. As someone with finger dexterity issues, vr is completely inaccessible now, but I don't see a reason why physical disability should be a limiting factor on input in the future. It's going to be 99% a design problem rather than an engineering challenge

[@kevindittler6524]

Absolutely great points on skill set versus dreams! Could go on for an hour on a dissertation about this! This is where the moonshot needs to be helping people garner the education and information to fulfill the dream and understand what is needed to do or to fulfill it. You can have a fantastic idea that is not in the general use or public but unless you have the ability to find a team to put around you if you do not have the education or the finances to do so it will never come through. That’s the sad part is they’re awesome ideas out there that will never come through to fruition because they do not have all the tools and means necessary to develop it.

[@soumitrosarkar]

What a brilliant interview. This should get a million views.

[@KismetBP]

Just found this channel.. KZbin failed me by not recommending it earlier. Awesome episode +1 sub & going to back to watch previous episodes. ❤🤘

[@AaronNicholsonAI]

Wow. Inspiring. Didn’t think I’d get chills. Thank you.

[@OakOdin-8]

Well my 55 year old mom has an Oculus and loves it so I’d say you accomplished your goal of making vr mainstream Palmer.

[@liberty-matrix]

"The number one most aspired to career in China, among young teenagers that were surveyed is an 'Astronaut'. The number one most aspired to a career in the U.S. is a 'Social Media Influencer', that is all you need to know." ~Tristan Harris

[@captainblood9616]

Fantastic, very inspiring! Thank you Peter and Palmer

[@budanski]

Ive followed Palmer when he was into VR. As a defense follower, Im rooting for his endeavor at Anduril. Unlike most primes, Anduril puts out the money for research and sells its products while others demand money for research.

[@jeffdeprey6279]

I wish they would have went public a long time ago, just so that use people that followed him way back then could have jumped in on the company, even for just a little bit of a piece at that time for those that were paying attention.

[@lastlooks5434]

The last question was the best answer, great interview learned so much!!

[@Settiis]

This dude has surprisingly great insights on things!

[@cosmos_creater789]

Always a pleasure engaging with your content Peter. Many blessings.

[@TimothyHalleran]

This was so good. Thank you for this!

[@skippercirelli2097]

Wow - this guy is amazing. He was so right with Apple. I'm using the AVP now, and it is absolutely amazing. Staging the Pro model to make it cool, then to inspire general public eventually - makes so much sense. Palmer Luckey - truly an inspirational futurist.

[@ianoneill5905]

Great talk...super glad I discovered this podcast!

[@JayEs31]

Great episode- your best ever!

[@seanmartinflix]

Palmer gives me a lot of hope. And he makes a lot of sense.

[@formytots0128]

Great interview and thanks for posting. Learned a lot and increased awareness of future technology and its impact on society.

[@ArchonExMachina]

I could listen to Luckey for 8h. Hand him over to Lex...

[@michaelthomson5125]

Lex is a fraud and a popularity-obsessed interview influencer. Far prefer people like Peter who are humble and have some integrity.

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Lex? Dude he is so much worse and harder to listen to than Peter.

[@Glowbox3D]

Great discussion. The current AI explosion, as well as tech behind AR, VR and voice synthesis is incredibly exciting in terms of the possibilities for media like film and games. It all gives me more to look forward to every day. I'm geekin' out over here! I'm fully aware of the risks, but there's really nothing I can do, so I'll just ride it out, and stay informed. Oh, and definitely make friends with any AGI systems you encounter.

[@pfschuyler]

Wow, I just became a big fan of Palmer Luckey. This is exactly the spirit of entrepreneurship, and the kind of innovation that built America. Oculus was no fluke.

[@BrianFederal]

Thanks for this Peter.Beautiful production, Great interview.

[@peppercorndog]

That last bit on entrepreneurship was gold. This is how Musk can afford to be the CEO of three companies. He has a stellar team at all the companies, the sum of which likely outclasses him in every way.

[@Goprobid]

I remember the day I tried the amazing oculus developer kit in its early days, with a demo running where you were sitting in a flying helicopter, looking all around in 3d, getting nausea as heck with a wet big smile knowing that vr will be big one day. It has really developed in a good direction. Apple headset looks very promising, but it looks like it will be way too expensive for many of us unlike other competitors these days.

[@TylerHansenVideo]

Fantastic interview! Palmer is an awesome dude.

[@agritech802]

It's great to have a channel about positive stuff, innovation, startups etc, keep up the good work 👍

[@adamfred]

One overlooked historical element in the history of VR is Stereoscopic 3D and as a place for deep discussion of 3DS the MTBS3D Forum Palmer was posting in the forums there for sure

[@anthonygrady3733]

I’ve been through the same thing 🤦🏾 keep up the good work don’t stop.. peace & love

[@nitinhshah]

Young and bloody smazing!! Thank you for bringing this podcast to us!

[@tomyferland-daniels5785]

Love this interview!

[@jordantaylor5302]

Wow Peter looks so healthy and well moisturized for his age . I hope to be able to still be able to function and be like this at his age .

[@melgross]

He’s apparently healthy. He looks about his age.

[@Achievly]

I love that you can see the satisfaction in his face that he doesn't love Hawaiian shirts... He loves the fact he's rich enough to wear them all the time to any place haha!

[@jeffdeprey6279]

I have always figured that is the deal also, I mean I do not really like Hawaiian shirts, but if I had that much money, I may just wear them all the time also, you just never know.

[@RomanPierceAi]

He’s been wearing them since he was 14 because they all were his dads hand me downs. He grew up poor he said in a previous interview, so I’m sure that’s a pretty big deal to him.

[@dru4670]

Am poor enough to do the same 😂

[@carygee]

Great interview!

[@Sky.Lukewalker]

I found this interviewer through VR and Palmer. He's great at pushing the interview in a good direction and has a great voice!

[@siansroadtonirvana]

Great episode!

[@kilikdudley]

Palmer is a true visionary! I'm very impressed by his mind.

[@Ergzay]

Really good interview. I especially loved the part about truck drivers.

[@dylanjardon7136]

palmer is amazing. love this

[@millevenon5853]

I want to thank Palmer Luckey for his work in the VR revolution. all this is possible because of his great contribution.

[@entranceimmerse6649]

Facinating and very interesting interview thank you

[@Mr.Eeeeeeeee]

This is a great interview. Love his vision and enthusiasm. Very balanced view on Vision Pro.

[@T1k3mys0n]

36:53 Free isn't cheap enough, I like that sentence, and how he describes it for VR. It sure needs to hit certain level of good enough for ppl to keep wanting it.

[@ldcbossrob3938]

This is a brilliant dude and an even more brilliant mullet! lol Great podcast.

[@TheSpacemanSpliff]

As a former owner of the first Oculus via Kickstarter and multiple VR headsets over the years, I love hearing Luckey talk VR. He just gets it, and it's a damn shame he left Facebook VR. They would have been so much farther along than they are right now with his leadership, and it shows. Absolutely agree with his point that Facebook focusing on a low price point was a mistake. As an avid VR user, I have no issues saving my money to pay for a premium experience. I've owned two Pimax headsets, and used the top video cards to run them over the years. This cost is right around the Vision Pro. To me, Apple is doing it right by making a premium device and the cost is absolutely worth it.

[@OriBengal]

Damn, that was so inspiring!

[@pauldannelachica2388]

Thank you for the interview. Love your podcast AR and VR are revolutionary products for education virtual training to medical fields engineering aircraft etc with A.I AR and VR will be priceless in training workers on virtual world

[@stevengreenberg6343]

😊

[@stevengreenberg6343]

😊

[@TonyDrecaps]

Great interview! I liked hearing about VR and AI

[@jasonjasonjasonjasonjason]

I love Palmer and seeing him from the pre dk1 days, on gaming livestreams up to now.

[@kilianlindberg]

👏👏This will be fun, yay ! 🍿🤓

[@shinkurt]

I didn't watch it yet but love this guy

[@noonebeer]

The people asking, "who's going to spend $3500 on Apple Vision", don't realize that it's a laptop in a new form factor. It has an M chip, the same ones in Macs.

[@UncannyExpress]

Spatial Computing dev here and new to your channel. Great interview!

[@MullicanDesigns]

Wow Peter excellent interview friend. Bravo!

[@VeegovonDOOM]

A lot of people are saying Apple just killed Meta. I think Apple just saved Meta by accomplishing what they should have.

[@millevenon5853]

true. I hope we reach a time when great and affordable VR headsets are released by major tech companies just like smartphones

[@williamharnois254]

I miss this Palmer guy. It’s so lame that he got canceled. I hope we will be seeing more from him, and I suspect we will.

[@cidadaoPPT]

Palmer is awesome!

[@eceertrey1]

Damn man I wanna have beers and talk tech and futuristic stuff with Palmer

[@jag9022]

Very interesting interview thank you!

[@Yon150]

Hoping Anduril Systems will expand to consumer and enterprise grade products. I have not bought a DJI drone because it feels like it’s funding the Chinese Andruil. Their tech is only getting better and they may be conducting bleeding edge military R&D fueled by government along with huge International cash flow from selling their products.

[@neonvoid]

awesome interview

[@KoZeroSM]

Came to watch his views on Vision Pro and end up watching the whole podcast.

[@RoyerAdames]

Why I am only seeing your videos after so many years. Weir hit in the end I liked the video

[@eNVy100]

4:17 I thought he named Anduril after the Sword from LOTR.

[@aaaa5095]

Great interview. I love the your dream is probably bad and sucky "uninspirational" speech. Funny, but also true lol

[@nyambe]

@24:33 yep, I caught that. The attached external battery is there as a place holder. In the future, te processing power will be external. Smart guy!

[@74Spyderman]

I’ve been saying ever since seeing the external battery in the AVP that Apple was not only saving weight but trying to get people used to the idea of having a cable running to your pocket so they can release thinner Apple Glasses and possibly a Vision Air that runs off your IPhone down the road. Of course people also said I was stupid. lol

[@nyambe]

@@74Spyderman Tim had us fooled, he is a Genius. He plays the long game like no one. I think it will be 2026 or 2028 before we see it, but he dont care.

[@tommytran5962]

Really good talk

[@michaelrfx7]

Good job Palmer.

[@mrki731]

Freaking FASCINATING!!! The only slight counter argument I am thinking about is not all problems must have technological solutions. To solve obesity, you just have to get people to eat whole food and move. To solve falling birth rate, give financial incentives to family and make it cool again in the media. Right now, there is 2-5 years waiting times to get your kids to kindergarten. Technology is not the ultimate goal for everything.

[@butcherjsy8]

I see you always use it, but the Holodeck like grid background for your vids seems so fitting here!

[@lorryy]

If governments want to raise the birth rate, I believe they should ask 25-35 year old woman without children, why they have chosen to delay having a baby. Men often are able to build great careers even with huge families, but women have to postpone their careers to raise a family and ensure the success of their kids (as they should and as my mother did with me). Perhaps we can begin to develop social programs that facilitate a mother’s transition through her career and the development of her off-spring.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@waltharper9139]

Did your mother learn how to handle failures? Did she teach you? Does anyone know how to cope with predictable failures? Should coping with failures be taught in school? Success is the subtrahend of coping with failures, even the natural disasters.

[@kkeefe000]

My man is thirsty lol great interview

[@jean-paulwilson8534]

The difference in physical size is analogous to the mental capacity of the two. Shown also in posture and in eye-contact, direction and accessing cues

[@JohnboyCollins]

This guy's in great form. Cool to see.

[@Eric_McBrearty]

Great discussion guys, I really enjoyed this one. I didn't know of Palmer before this interview, I like this guy. You can tell that he thinks of system design, and society as a system. I agree with his thoughts on meaningless childhood ambitions. One of the things I think we should do to curb meaningless pursuits it to put artificially low salaries on sports. Now that we have pegged purpose and ambition to pursuing money, we have to steer that payday pursuit towards more effective roles in society. Possibly even have someone like Palmer head a social engineering for meaningful purpose policy or an ignorance oversight committee. 👍

[@alexandrelamarre7586]

That haircut is definitely less Starbucks and more Mountain Dew.

[@KetanSingh]

Excellent discussion. Loved the depth of technical discussion as well as a holistic view of all the other aspects

[@X862go]

Bro, the quest 3 is absolutely amazing. We're very close

[@nitinhshah]

This is xlnt. Thank you for bringing new tech leading edge!! Next is AI, ROBOTICS, FSD, ??

[@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849]

This guy is awesome

[@nitinhshah]

Such an enthusiastic intelligent inventor. Wow

[@hailstorm7868]

what's that chopper in the background?

[@erinkhoo]

Palmers hair looks amazing 🤣🤣🤣

[@cutechixcheaptips]

WILDFIRES..so much more important now with Lahina, Maui GONE...I dreamed of a drone army that could put out wildfires..Please I hope we can solve Wildfires NOW!!! YEAH!!!

[@JonasViatte]

The guy is pretty incredible! I'm not sure about the Skynet-like autonomous war machines. Would be ok if it's purely for defense but I doubt it. 100% for the birth rate problem, and for the wildfires.

[@zerohpc5]

Ricky from trailer park boys should play Palmer in the TV movie about how VR became popular

[@815TypeSirius]

I respect Lucky for understanding the vision pro and that the point is take the computer out of computing.

[@stoobbs]

Really enjoyed this conversation. One thing that needs correcting is the discussion on Cost-Plus Contracting. Today a majority of defense contracting is not Cost-Plus w/ a percentage fee (thereby incentivizing higher costs) but either something called Cost-Plus w/ a fixed fee or Fixed-Fee contracting. The blow-up in Iraq 15 years ago made the earlier type of cost-plus contracting deeply unpopular and Obama did some work to preference the latter types of contracts

[@slalomie]

Pretty enlightening interview. I initially had a negative view of Palmer moving to military defense contracting but his reasoning makes sense as long as he isn’t selling tech to any and all countries out there. His goal to somehow solve declining birth rates is a little eye raising. It’s simply a global trend in 1st world developed countries. Even China’s birth rates are dropping as quality of life per capita improves. IMO the biggest issue we face is climate change and our natural resources. Those wildfires aren’t starting by themselves. Sadly old short sighted greedy politicians and corporate lobbying wins all the time.