Odds and Ends 23: Channel Changes, Horizontal Mill Repairs, and Viewer Mail

[@jaimevega4370]

Great episode. I enjoy listening to you, your voice has a soothing quality to it. As far as the odds and ends it is fun to watch. I think you are spot on in showing the items that people take the trouble and expense to send to you, in my opinion it is the polite thing to do. I admire the fact that you mention that you attend church. Keep it up Brother. Thanks and, God bless.

[@VintageMachinery]

jaime vega Thank you - I am not ashamed one bit that I attend church and sure do not want to hide the fact from anybody.

[@Abom79]

Awesome viewer mail. I have the exact same test indicators too. Dakota hooked you up, and that can of Moly-Dee is awesome!! Hope you got that K&T repair figured out. Now I need to get mine sorted out as well. Have a good one keith! Adam

[@VintageMachinery]

Abom79 Thanks Adam - I think I have a plan for the K&T - just need to see if it works or not! And I am anxious to see you get yours up and running - that will be an awesome machine for your shop when you get it running!

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed the visit, good luck on the repair!

[@VintageMachinery]

outsidescrewball Thanks Chuck!

[@Chris-Fennimore]

Hey Keith, Yep, new springs with correct compression are needed. I doubt you need to fabricate new part. Just my thought, if ball bearings continue to slip with new springs, fill grooves in between ball bearings with some hard weld rod then mill down to correct dimensions.

[@VintageMachinery]

009to090 I have already ordered new springs and new ball bearings ordered. After doing some inspection after I shot the video I discovered that the ball bearings are over sized by about 0.020".

[@turbocobra]

Nice score from Dakota! Interesting story about the train going off track. Thanks for the video.

[@VintageMachinery]

turbocobra Thanks for watching!

[@kurtarmbrust]

Don't let anyone complain about your format. If they don't like the video they don't need to watch it. Thanks again for all your effort.

[@VintageMachinery]

Kurt Armbrust The complaining does not bother me. But, I do mention it from time to time just so new subscribers will know how I stand on things.

[@gentlebear76]

Hi Keith. Really loving these odds and ends videos. So much nice stuff to look at :-) And wow what a gift this time :-) Keep up the good work. Michael

[@VintageMachinery]

Gentlebear Thanks Michael!

[@carloslam5587]

Keith very happy to see you again I missed you much a lot.. Carlos

[@VintageMachinery]

Carlos Lam Thanks Carlos - glad to be here!

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

Another excellent video, Keith! I really enjoy your commentary and your projects!

[@VintageMachinery]

William Garrett Thanks!

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

I don't know how much music you use on your vids, but while cruising the net today, I ran across a public domain music site freepd.com/ with lots of free music.

[@Dan.Whiteford]

Great viewers gifts - what a ferocious mill!!

[@VintageMachinery]

Dan Whiteford That mill should do some serious cutting!

[@horneygeorgeforge7079]

you commented as you have in passed videos that some people don't care to see other tool and such and only prefer to see machining. I like both! this time, however, I remembered a quote, I think from Ben Franklin, " An open mind will learn much and a closed mind will learn little".( well that's as close to the quote as I remember ) when I was in school I didn't understand it or cared to, until after I graduated and started working in mills. and seeing different machines and how they were built.. these videos are always informative for me. thank you for sharing !

[@VintageMachinery]

dennis brooks Thanks for the comment Dennis. I agree with you totally - an open mind will allow you to learn so much more!

[@CompEdgeX2013]

I think you're on the right track with new springs/balls. That should keep things in the right place and get you going again. Looks like it was a victim of someone using whatever was found around the shop to try and keep it running... and I guess it did for some time... LOL Colin ;-)

[@VintageMachinery]

***** Yes, I think that whowever went into this machine before me had no idea what they were doing and messed things up. Hopefully new springs and balls will do the trick!

[@k5at]

Keith, replace the springs with a higher compression spec. That should work, If not, then tig weld the grove and reface and drill the dimples.

[@chrisstephens6673]

Herb Blair I was going to write exactly the same thing but you beat me to it. What was that about great minds.....:>)

[@VintageMachinery]

Herb Blair Thanks guys, I have already ordered springs and new ball bearings and plan to give that a try first.

[@chrisstephens6673]

Hi TheJimmax,very close, over here it is "think alike" unless they disagree with me of course. :>))

[@gbowne1]

The dimples I believe are done with a ball end mill.

[@ShadonHKW]

Wow Keith, thats a serious mill cutter, look forward to seeing that in action.

[@VintageMachinery]

Shadon HKW Yes, I am looking forward to trying that one out on the milling machine! I have a job coming up soon that we can probably try it out with!

[@ShadonHKW]

Ha ha .. I think you need to own stock in a carbide company to fill that thing up :)

[@MattsMotorz]

I love the odds and ends videos! Keep em' comin'!

[@VintageMachinery]

+MattsMotorz Thanks - Will Do!

[@davidcashin9194]

Wow what a bag full of goodies some awesome stuff looking forward to the next lot of videos. Dave

[@VintageMachinery]

David Cashin Thanks Dave!

[@jusb1066]

Events sure do conspire against you sometimes, keep your chin up Keith and you will prevail, you are helping others even though your own jobs sometimes take the backseat, but it's all for the best, I will keep watching and looking forward to the more repairs, furnace build, and the casting adventures to come. as for the mill part, i think that part is just fine it will always wear a bit of a track, ive seen it on various motorcycle parts, , the springs are both tired and wrong, and once you find out the real spec (compression strength and free length) and replace with all matching, the issue will go away (assuming what it drives is free of binding and excessive load, may be wise to check its really free), if you are still concerned as to the part, you could just make the ball seats a bit deeper, but need a carbide ball mill of the right size and flush the surface down a tad, but i dont think it needs to be, The original issue is the springs under constant pressure have lost their strength (the missing ones possibly broke) , someone took it apart and lost some and replaced with whatever, making the issue worse, it needs new springs simpy

[@PaulMorgan1]

jusb1066 Agreed. Fresh springs are probably all it needs. They're just old and worn out.

[@mikeadrover5173]

‘Keith’ I hope with the new changes; once again by firm’s that run all this! That I still get your Vlog’s; if-not, I will be on the phone daily complaining about this.. And any long time users of “KZbin” know what I am talking about! All that said! As always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~

[@VintageMachinery]

Mike A Drover Thanks Mike - we have been running on the new account for a couple of weeks now so if everything is working as you like, it should not change.

[@chakathewolf]

Your story about your day working on the mill made me smile. It seems like that's the way it always goes. I would like to see a video on the wiggler. I have used the pointed probe to center up over a punch mark, but I have no idea how to use the other probes.

[@VintageMachinery]

Chaka Wolf I will see about doing a wiggler video soon.

[@bam1314]

I have days like that. You say to yourself I should have slept in. Nice haul by the way Dakota is an awesome friend.

[@VintageMachinery]

Bill Mader Yeah, it might have felt better to have slept in, but then nothing would have gotten done.... And yes, Dakota took real good care of me!

[@Rich206L]

Hey Keith, great video. Watching this was like sitting in your shop and having you talk to me. Your die hard fans all know that you work for a living and that what we see here is all on your free time! The stuff that your viewers send you is a testament of our love for what you do for us, and in a way, I think it's a way to encourage you to keep on posting. Some of the posts below about that part with all the springs, yeah, I agree with them, new springs and as you stated the balls were too big? That's a minor problem when you buy a suit, but in some kind of clutch, that can be a big problem (pun intended). I'm dying for the next forge video, but I will wait patiently (when, WHEN!). :) Rich PS, I'll be watching for that tongue!

[@VintageMachinery]

Rich206L Rich - I am hoping to find some time this week to work on the furnace. My next step requires setting everything outside the shop to keep from making too big of a mess and every evening this week it has been raining when I get home. We need the rain as it has been very dry this spring for us, but it is keeping me from getting work done! I promise not to complain - I have to remind myself that we need the rain..... I hope to get the milling machine put back together this weekend and I will keep my fingers crossed that everything works out.

[@Rich206L]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Thanks for the reply Keith. Yeah. we've been very dry up here in NY for months and only recently have been getting some very needed rain. I understand and I'm sure all of your fans do too. I also wanted to comment on the great haul you made! I think I will go dig into the old tool box and see if there is anything you could use. I also click on the ads to help you out; I go to the john or pour a drink while they play, but it's my small way to support you. I hope your other fans do the same! You are a real gentleman!Regards,Rich

[@swarfrat311]

Keith, It sounds like Mr. Bozo made a trip to Georgia! Sorry about the problems with your K & T. Hopefully, you can find some parts on e-bay or Craig's List that don't cost a fortune. It's an early Christmas at the Rucker household! Man! You made a haul! Thanks for sharing all the goodies. Have a good one! Dave

[@VintageMachinery]

Swarf Rat Thanks Dave - yes, my viewers are the greatest!

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Great vid again Keith ! I love the mail calls and seeing the generous gifts sent yur way . Hope that ball plate for the mill is OK .. Springs seem to be the major problem , But I do see wear from those balls turning needlessly ! Keep us updated on that .. And I am sorry I like the format of Odds and Ends . Keep it as is please !!

[@VintageMachinery]

ShawnMrFixit Lee Don't be sorry - I plan to keep Odds and Ends as it is! I also hope to give some details on the mill repair. If all goes well, maybe we can get it put back together this weekend.

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Good deal , On both ! Hope the best for you ..

[@KevinHillofDOOM]

Love those Graphix on the PUL-MOR and Moly-Dee packaging.

[@VintageMachinery]

***** Pretty cool stuff!

[@rickl.orchids]

great show Keith, thanks for time!..........K&T....not one of those tasks we want to do......but know it has to be done.......it will just continue to get worse,....... your already inside the machine.......make that ring with the holes for the bearings, harden it, trim off the old one and re-weld the new on......some machining to final......should be a breeze for someone that can but a derailed train car back on track 2x in one day.......the springs will be a search, but not impossible to find.......your work speaks for itself.........build it strong, fix it right the 1st time.....

[@VintageMachinery]

Rick L Thanks Rick - I have a game plan, which will be to replace the springs and ball bearings. There are problems with both. I also plan to freshen up the holes in the plate and then put it back together and give it a try. Right now, I really need to get the mill back to running again even if I have to make the new part sooner rather than later.

[@robertkutz9540]

keith great video, variety is the spice of life so don't change.

[@VintageMachinery]

Robert Kutz Thanks!

[@JunkMikesWorld]

Good times! Thanks! Mike

[@VintageMachinery]

Junk Mikes World Thanks Mike!

[@StreuB1]

Respring it and put it back together. That friction plate will still work fine with the proper spring pressure.

[@VintageMachinery]

Brian Streufert Perhaps. That is pretty much my game plan along with a few other things I think I can do to help matters.

[@famrichards]

Interesting episode especially enjoyed the bit on the little K&T clutch.

[@VintageMachinery]

Bruce Richards Thanks Bruce!

[@jae878]

Enjoyed the video and yes all the way to the end. Thx.

[@VintageMachinery]

jeff edison Thanks Jeff!

[@bcbloc02]

I love my 18N's I have 4 in my shop and I use them all a ton, they are the best size for most all of my work. I have several Kennametal Harvi end mills and they cut greatespecially on tough materials! Mine all take ANGT inserts which is the big drawback. It is very possible that the springs would be mismatched so that the proper tension is applied for the corrcet slip clutch torque. Putting all heavier springs in it could cause it to not slip and break the shaft or something instead.

[@VintageMachinery]

bcbloc02 I have ordered some new springs that are all the same length but with roughly the same pressure as what is currently in there. I am also going to replace all of the balls as I got to measuring them and they have been replaced with 8mm ball bearings - the literature says they should be 5/16" which makes them about 0.020" over size. The over size balls probably are not seating all the way down in the detents which I suspect is also part of the problem.

[@bcbloc02]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org That form of clutch drives via shear of the ball so the contact of the drive gear holes to the drive hub plate is critical. You may need to shim that outer washer with the splines between it and the snap ring to get a good fit, you don't want any rock or clearance as that ruins the proper shear line and greatly reduces the torque capacity of the clutch.

[@railfan4394]

Keith, that Pul-Mor belt dressing was made by the E.C. Atkins Co, who made premier hand saws. They are long out of business. I have a reprint of a pre-1920 catalog of their wood cutting saws. That's a rare find indeed!

[@VintageMachinery]

Railfan 439 Yes, it actually says Atkins on the box. I am very familiar with their hand saws as well and even have a few!

[@johnbazaar8440]

Keith Here's what I would do. Start by measuring every detail of the hub and create a drawing. Size up a new set of springs based on the long ones. They're the ones that will give you the most consistent preload. Measure wire diameter and free length. Find a supplier that can get you close. You know who they are. Depending on how much trouble it is to reassemble, put the clutch assembly together and try it to see if you can get by with it until you can build a new hub. With those short and missing springs, you are losing about half the strength of the clutch. The wear in the pockets is adding to it so the hub needs to be replaced as well, but you might get it back in service by replacing the springs. My two cents. Thanks John

[@VintageMachinery]

John Bazaar Thanks John - that is pretty much what I think I am going to do. I am inquiring to see if a new part is available and if so for how much money. Assuming no part is available or it is too expensive, I will replace the springs and balls (they are actually oversize for some reason) and I might try and freshen up the detent holes and put it back together until I can build a new part.

[@bmacpher]

Sounds like you did well to get 3 solid hours with all that going on!

[@IceManTX69]

Nice detective work on the horizontal mill. I'd be scared to take apart something with that many pieces! Really liked the the retro items at the end! I couldn't bear to use those historical items even though I want to see that belt stick in use so bad.

[@VintageMachinery]

Plain 'Ol Beekeeping in Plano, TX Sometimes my problem is that I am not afraid to dig into problems when I should be running scared. I have taken more than one thing apart that I could not get back together. It started as a kid, I had to take everything apart to see how it worked. My mom nearly killed me on several occasions. I did shoot some video of me repairing the part and putting the mill back together, which will be published soon.

[@markbernier8434]

Hi Kieth; I had a french machine that used a similar system. The groove is supposed to be there. The ball beaings are supposed to be slightly larger than the holes. From looking at it the longer springs are correct. I would fully expect that a full set of proper springs would make it work like new.

[@VintageMachinery]

Mark Bernier I found the specs on the ball bearings and the ones that are in there are indeed over sized. They are supposed to be 5/16" but the ones that are in there are 8mm, which comes out to about 0.020" too large. I am going to replace the ball bearings and the springs and see if that fixes things.

[@timetodopatriotstuff2315]

Good show you have some great You Tube viewers

[@VintageMachinery]

Ryan Oros Thanks - and for the record, I have the BEST KZbin viewers!

[@gunn333]

Loved the story!

[@VintageMachinery]

gunn333 Thanks!

[@Samsgarden]

You do what you feel like doing Keith and don't apologise for it.

[@tuckertomlinson]

Hi Keith, i think your analysis is correct and the springs should all be the same, however, you could use 2 spring lengths to get a progressive rate effect for the whole clutch. I can't think of a reason why this clutch would need that, but i thought I'd throw it out there. Enjoyed the vid as always. Cheers

[@VintageMachinery]

emptyname The parts diagram has a single part number for the springs, which leads me to believe that they should all be the same length.

[@lyntonr6188]

another enjoyable odds and ends video Keith , i would be very interested in a video showing the uses of the wriggler set .

[@VintageMachinery]

Lynton Rodda Thanks - I will keep that in mind for a future installment!

[@BillyTpower]

regarding the mill project my thoughts: first preference would be as u suggested and use all equal strength springs, however failing that I would space out the odd ones equally around circumference. as for the repair to the base place where the balls sit, maybe a simple fix (compared to re-manufacturing a new one) would be to fill the holes with JB weld and use a ball end-mill to cut new holes . just food for thought Keith Cheers Biily..

[@VintageMachinery]

Billy T I doubt that JB Weld would last very long. The bottom plate is made of hardened steel now and there is already wear on that piece! But, I will plan to replace the springs and balls with new ones and give that a try first.

[@BillyTpower]

good point Keith, just thought it might hold up as that device is only used to prevent crashes, no? other wise balls say put i think. but regardless i think its a long shot.

[@RPMechanics]

Interesting video. Thanks.

[@VintageMachinery]

RP Mechanics Thanks for taking the time to watch!

[@davidhoward2237]

Congratz on your 30k subs, hopefully you can find the part for the K&T, to bad you cant weld or braze it to fix it,

[@VintageMachinery]

David Howard Thanks for noticing the 30k milestone! I forgot to mention that in the episode.

[@jonhare392]

Congrats on having 30k very smart subscribers who enjoy your videos immensely! Great haul from viewers who like what you do! Keep on posting and maybe someday you'll be as famous as Jenna Marbles! Lol (she's the queen of KZbin in case you didn't know, I didn't) you wouldn't want an 58 yr old apprentice would you? Heck I'd pay you to be able to absorb a little of your knowledge and do the grunt work. Btw, my first mechanic job at a VW shop I used to get a chapped lip on on the corner of my mouth and couldn't figure out why until I was putting on a clutch arm spring and a fellow employee asked if I always stick my tongue out when I do something difficult! It seems that it helps connect your body to your brain like completing the circuit! God bless and I can't wait for your next video!

[@garyc5483]

Nice tools gifts there Keith. I would get a new set of the heavier springs and reassemble the clutch as is. What looks like wear was probably machined in originally to allow the balls to run round without having to actually jump out of the holes. regards from the UK

[@VintageMachinery]

Gary C I am pretty sure that what is there is wear. It would have been hard to machine those kinds of grooves... Regardless, I will likely replace the springs and a few other things and see if that fixes the problem.

[@kimber1958]

Thanks Keith

[@gizzo123us]

Good stuff you lucky Dog'' !!!

[@VintageMachinery]

gizzo123us Yes indeed - on both accounts!

[@EVILDR235]

I just checked the internet on PUL-MOR and it seems to a very popular and much sought after item. A lot of old tractor and machine operators looking for it.

[@VintageMachinery]

Chuck Small Very cool - I was not aware that it was in demand like that!

[@aserta]

Man, talk about a tough day. Good thing you guys found where the issue with the track was and that nothing was ruined and nobody got hurt. I'd say about the repairs, but the people in the comments came through and already 3 people have lined up answers i would of had given. Hopefully you can get that repair done properly but won't get a burn in the wallet because of it.

[@VintageMachinery]

aserta Thanks - I have a game plan now for the K&T - just need the time to get in there and fix her.

[@MyShopNotes]

Great shop day, sounds like mine sometimes.

[@VintageMachinery]

Steve S Yes, sometimes days in the shop can be challenging.....

[@JackHoying]

I bet stronger springs will fix your problem. If the balls can easily lift high enough to rotate out of the seats, they are going to follow that path of least resistance. I'd definitely replace the springs first. If you do end up having to make a new part, would their be a chance to save the hub and just make a new plate? I have a similar clutch in the apron of my Clausing lathe.

[@VintageMachinery]

Jack Hoying I have already ordered some new springs. If nothing else, they will all be the same length and strength - right now, there are about three different lengths and a couple of different strengths. Also, I discovered that the ball bearings that were installed were a little too large - according to the documentation I have, they should be 5/16" but instead were 8mm - about 0.020" oversize. That too is probably a problem as the oversize balls would not seat properly. I will probably try this before replacing the part.

[@StraightThread]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org I think you're right about the bearings being larger than spec contributing to the problem. With the right ball bearings and springs it might work fine. Interesting to see the innards.

[@RoelTyros]

Hello Keith, Again a very nice and long Odd @ Ends but sometimes I'm curious about the price of those items. It's seems to be professional looking mills so I guess that the price is normally also professional. Besides, you told about that you're also driving the locomotive but never seen you drive I guess. Maybe when you're driving again I would like to see a bit more from the inside and driving of such a big old machine. Looking forward to the next video and thanx for this video, with many greetings from Roel !

[@davidhoward2237]

RoelTyros He did a make video on it called Operating a Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0T Steam Locomotive and abom79 did one too search his channel for Train Ride with Keith Rucker

[@VintageMachinery]

RoelTyros Here you go - take a look at this video on the locomotive that I shot some time back: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5ivg4ahh86iiKM

[@jeffmoss26]

Great video as always!

[@VintageMachinery]

***** Thanks Jeff!

[@chuckbuckets1]

touch up the ball detents with the a ball nose end mill. you just need a certain amount of "grab" on the balls which has worn away. a slightly deeper detent should do the trick. beefier springs might do it, but i think the worn edge of the detent would still allow for an easy way for the balls to slip and bigger springs would accelerate the wear. the outer and inner edges (not worn) of each detent should give you an idea of how "sharp" the edges were originally.

[@jeffren70]

chuckbuckets1 I was going to suggest the exact same thing. Trying to weld or heat the part in any way will cause warping or cracking. touching up the detent and maybe stronger springs is the way to go.

[@VintageMachinery]

chuckbuckets1 Good idea. I will likely give that a try.

[@ziggassedup]

I'd fit a whole set of the longer springs to give the ball bearings a little more push....I'm not sure the small ramp would make too much difference to a sympathetic operator...Made it to the end.

[@VintageMachinery]

ZIGgassedUP Right now, the clutch is slipping about every time I use the rapid traverse - particularly when raising the table. But I agree that new springs might be enough to fix the problem - and they are already ordered!

[@ludovanderherten214]

If it were for me, i'd start with the springs, and take it from there. Greets

[@ramsay19481]

If you are working on a 2h,those ball bearings are supposed to be 5/16 dia according to my book.. The springs are probably special and as the clutch release springs are similar, I had good luck finding them at Macmaster Carr co....I would measure the shorter springs and order that size if possible.. They are probably correct .. If the new ones are a bit longer, probably all the better.. This slip clutch was added to the early 2h machines lot #2353 and I am sure it saved many machines from destruction specially during wartime production.. Mike

[@VintageMachinery]

Mike G Yes, I found the same spec on the ball bearings. The ones in my machine are a bit over size though - they measure 8mm, which is about 0.020 large. I have already ordered new springs and ball bearings from McMaster-Carr and I am hopeful that this will fix the problem.

[@ramsay19481]

Ok Keith.. Good Luck!

[@tonydeleo7697]

Keith, I am truly sorry you had the mishap. I have had things like that not go as planned more times than I would want to count. Your plan seemed sound. As they say, "stuff" happens. Onward and sideways (my favorite saying) Tony

[@VintageMachinery]

Tony De Leo Thanks - just a minor setback...

[@tonyburndred9828]

Hi Keith, just a thought could you metal spray the clutch part and re-machine it, I noticed Adam had the metal spraying gear if you don't have the equipment, that and new springs be good as new. Tony

[@VintageMachinery]

Tony Burndred I somehow doubt that spray welding would do the trick for this application. The metal on this part is hardened and I would be afraid that the spray welding would wear away too quickly.

[@barrycass2820]

Wow that the nice file I have ever seen

[@PeterWMeek]

Those look like too much angle, but I've seen tapered ball end mills described as providing both draft and filet for pattern making.

[@VintageMachinery]

Peter W. Meek I have a couple of pattern makers router bits that I have used to provide draft in parts being made.

[@Oldvet1946]

Found this from google. 2H-E65 Rapid Traverse Clutch Spring so with that I would say all the springs are the same. Mike

[@VintageMachinery]

Oldvet1946 Yes, they should all be the same. I have the parts diagram....

[@jimliechty2983]

It's hard to make a judgement from this end, but if you think as part of the clutch design, is to have the balls slip to other holes while under stress, it seems to me there may have been a slight groove there originally, to help track them to the next hole/holes. The point is, that its kind of hard to make a new part if unsure how the original part was. I think marrying a new disk to the existing hub (if undamaged) is the way to go. Keith Fenner may have some insight regarding the part, and it shouldn't take too long to put the word out to see what the chances are of finding a new or different one.....it just seems to me that I had heard of someone that took over the Kearney inventory or at least the parts drawings...With PM and all of your subs....I'm sure the answer is not far in the future. Proceeding as you are with new springs and balls (and detailing the measurements on the parts) is the best way to proceed. Congrats on the "haul"!....you deserve it! Great vid, Jim

[@VintageMachinery]

Jim Liechty Jim, I am nearly certain that the grooves are not original. There is no need for them as the holes in the gear that the springs pass through will keep the balls aligned properly so that they can slip from one detent to the next. Besides, the groove looks to be be wear and not machine - it would be nearly impossible to machine a grove to match what is there. With all that said, I have been able to determine that there are some other issues with this assembly - the ball bearings used are not to original spec and are about 0.020" larger than they should be. This is causing them to not seat all the way to the bottom of the detents and I think that is as much of a problem as anything. I am going to try replacing the springs and ball bearings and see if that fixes things before trying to make or purchase a new part.

[@arjanwilbie2511]

***** , any tools in that lot that you would advice to a starter? I am looking for a few bits of kit, to make a milling option on my lathe and i need to look in to collets. :)

[@cpcoark]

Send it to Ox tools :-) You need to start a campaign for your shop apron.

[@marceltimmers1290]

Hi mate. I think if you would just start with the right compliment of springs, you would be a long way there. If all else fails you could go and replace the whole thing, but first start with the easy things. Occam's razor. If it barks like a fish.... Marcel.

[@VintageMachinery]

Marcel Timmers I tend to agree with you. I have already ordered new springs as well as new ball bearings (I don't think the ones in there were the correct size). We will put it all back together this weekend and see if it helps!

[@marceltimmers1290]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org I really can't wait, I hope this works.

[@walterplummer3808]

Great job, as usual very interesting. I feel your pain. I have had days like that. In one of these odds and ends could you show more of your bench? Is that an Oliver on the end?

[@VintageMachinery]

Walter Plummer I built the bench back around 15 years ago from scratch. The vise is an Emmeret Pattern Makers vise.

[@walterplummer3808]

LOL. I did say Oliver. I know they made vises also but I meant Emmert. I have a turtle back of my own. They are great. Looks like you did an outstanding job on the bench. You should show it off.

[@gbowne1]

Maybe James Kilroy could help ya with his big K&T. I'll take a look and see if there's any feed gears and stuff for that mill though for ya.

[@VintageMachinery]

gbowne1 I think I have a plan to be able to make the new part myself if need be. Going to try something different first though!

[@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc]

Please don't over complicate the fix, change all of the springs, the wear is not going to have a big affect on the resistance of moving the balls out of the holes, the slip action requires lifting all the balls out of the holes, once they are lifted, they move into the wear groves, but they have to lift first!

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Matthew Tinker I think you are probably right. I have already ordered new springs and balls and will probably re-assemble this weekend.

[@rickbrandt9559]

as "jusb1066" mentioned, some motor cycle clutches have this style of clutch safety also, the groove occurs from normal slippage, the springs and ball size is critical. should fix the problem.

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Rick Brandt Thanks Rick - we are going to give replacing the balls and springs a try. Keep your fingers crossed!

[@airhead151v151]

No expert by any stretch of the word but the tapered end mills I've seen used by a lot of CNC machines

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airhead151v151 Very likely!

[@joetri1970]

Ask abom79 to sprayweld a new suface on it then you can mill the dimples back.

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joetri1970 I doubt that the spray welding would have near the wear resistance as the hardened steel that they are currently made from. I think the spray welding would wear away rather quickly and I would be right back where I am now.

[@StraightThread]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org There is a powder for hard-facing with flame spraying. I don't know if it would fill in the groove very well.

[@big112233]

new springs and weld between indents and re machine to size .

[@VintageMachinery]

big112233 The plate on this part is hardened and I am afraid that welding them up would end up with a different hardness what would just wear away again quickly.

[@Blazer02LS]

I see you have springs&balls on order. You might consider that whoever was in there last replaced parts with the wrong parts. The balls being oversized is an issue. If the springs were replaced with the wrong ones that are the wrong strength your new ones of the same strength will probably slip. Maybe the part number could be crossed to tell you the wire gauge and turns of the originals?

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***** There were two different kinds of springs in the assembly and I am pretty sure I can tell which ones are original and which ones were replaced. We will see when I put it back together and see if the problem cures itself.

[@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738]

Looks to me the maintenance department was under pressure to get the machine back into production. And a quick fix was applied and was never repaired properly.

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Scott Russell Whoever went into the machine before me made several mistakes. I am hopeful that I will be able to correct them this weekend when I have a chance to put it all back together.

[@frednewman2162]

Keith, see from a comment below that you have already ordered new ball bearings and springs for it! Had emailed you about a month ago with questions about this machine! Haven't got 3 phase power into my shop yet to get mine running, but will probably have similar issues when I do! Did you fine a supplier for KT parts, or did you just order ball bearings and springs that were of original sizes? Another great video Keith! Hoping for follow-up videos on KT!! Lol

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Fred Newman I was able to order the springs and ball bearings from McMaster-Carr.

[@davidgrimble3649]

I have a model K that i am going to tear down and unfortunately scrap [too many parts missing to make run].I will see if i have the parts.Tried to email but must have wrong address.

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David Grimble Thanks David - not sure if the Model K would have the same part as my Model H, but it very well might.

[@1jtolvey]

REALLY MEAN SPRINGS FOR K&T .

[@dougrundell947]

Wow and a half!

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Doug Rundell Yeah, that is what I thought too!

[@thomascoughran1374]

Sounds like a soap opera! :>))

[@codename48122]

This might be a dumb idea, but would smaller balls maybe sit down a bit deeper into to "cups", making it a bit harder for them to "climb out"? Like I said, probably just a dumb idea ;)

[@johngermain3535]

If you need some springs send me the specifications, I work with a lot of custom springs.

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John Germain Thanks John - I think I found some that will do the trick on the McMaster-Carr site. If these turn up short, I will let you know.

[@johngermain3535]

OK let me know.

[@cliffordfender1159]

Keith' Great stuff, as always !!! What a haul !!! Keep em coming. Do me a favor, take a little easier on the weekends. Your friend,Cliff

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Clifford Fender What are you talking about, I am taking it easier on the weekends! I can't imagine anything more relaxing than working the shop all day intermixed with running a steam locomotive and fixing derailments!

[@cliffordfender1159]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org After having thought about it Keith, you're right, I can't think of a more relaxing way to spend a weekend day. Please, pardon me for my inexcusable error in judgment! Your friend, Cliff

[@Pyro19903]

awesome vid they don't make files like they use to

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Scott Carroll That is so true! Like so many tools, the old ones are so much better than what you can get new.

[@donaldmckinnon7467]

weld the plate and re drill it.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Google is taking over our powers... I hate it so much when I forget a password and have to get it reset, the whole world flips over, all the accounts flip... WHAT A NIGHTMARE..... Google GO AWAY.... I'm falling off my bed.

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pierre beaudry LOL - Don't fall off your bed.... Then you might have to use Google to find the right doctor to fix what you break....

[@pierresgarage2687]

Finding a doctor using Google and being in Quebec where you wait days to be seen by doctor, I'm no better than cooked....!!!!

[@gbowne1]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org There's a app for that.

[@fisherdigital]

Google+ is just the worst. You won't be overwhelmed by interaction using Google+!

[@josepheirman4987]

tom lipton did a video a while back on how to rebuild one of those keyless chucks. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npDNgmpjis6Knas

[@andymandyandsheba4571]

first hi keith sent you a private message

[@robertgiovannucci7144]

Make the new part! I think it would be a great challenge. BTW, I signed on your new Google+ account. Can you send me a short email so I know we can communicate? I have something you might be able to use. Ciao! G

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Robert Giovannucci I hope that I don't have to resort to making the new part, but if need be, I think I can do it. I have sent you a message with my email