Off-Center Crosshairs Are Kinda Cool

[@izaan88]

I don't think they actually rotate the weapon downwards when ADS-ing. Probably rendered the weapon in another camera layer, and then "shift" the rendered layer lower. It's kind of a nightmare for the 3d artists to animate the weapon if they have to rotate it downwards everytime

[@DerrickJolicoeur]

I was thinking this too. If you're already rendering the gun in a separate view model, just shift the image downwards accordingly

[@jtraptor7776]

Yeah, this makes more sense than rotating down EDIT: and now that I think about it, most games do this already anyways

[@boufey5169]

I imagine that in the case of Destiny 2 they simply change the focus point of the FOV and move the viewmodel downwards to the same value the focal point was changed, since the new focal point is now technically the centre of the viewmodel

[@garbaj]

huh, never thought about that. Makes a lot more sense

[@fdmct]

Sounds likely. The devs have said they can’t change many of hunts peaker advantage angles because of how the camera is

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

I love a system like insurgency or red orchestra but as a halo veteran I have always HATED the lower cross hair. As soon as MCC gave us the option to center it, I celebrated, changed it, and absolutely never looked back.

[@Johnny_L1]

Understandable

[@captain-chair]

I think it also has a lot to do with the FOV as well. For a console shooter, Halo does a lot by lowering the crosshair, making it feel less binocular like. But on PC the lower crosshair is unneeded for Halo. Probably still good for people further away from their screen.

[@kabardino1337]

Hi Jarek!

[@denodagor]

Same, It's the biggest reason I don't play Hunt Showdown

[@egg4747]

AMEN brother. Its the main reason why I find it hard to enjoy Hunt showdown.

[@Alex-nl5cy]

A lot of people with less experience tend to look at the floor in fps games, they point the crosshair at the horizon rather than where the enemy is going to be, a lower crosshair would help with perception when the crosshair is too low down.

[@LetHerWar]

Rather a higher crosshair u mean?

[@Western-spy]

I would rather have the game educate me on good crosshair placement rather than handicapping me for good because the devs thought its a cool idea.

[@mizuviper]

In tarkov I find myself aiming down a bit when I'm not actively engaging anyone because it lets me see a little more of the area unobstructed. it's weird, I don't do that in any other game

[@romaliop]

@@LetHerWar No, if they point the crosshair to the horizon they're looking more or less straight forward with the lower crosshair. I don't think anyone orients their player character just based on the center point of the monitor, so the higher crosshair probably would just end up at the horizon as well.

[@garbaj]

It encourages players to look up and see what's going on in front of them

[@lubbdaa]

I don't actually think this avoids head glitching though. For a crosshair to be accurate i.e. the bullets hitting where the crosshair is, the bullets have to come from the position of the camera. With a lowered crosshair, the bullets simply are shot with a slightly downwards pointing vector. If the bullets were shot from a position below the camera, they would undershoot at short distances and overshoot at long distances. That the bullets still come from the camera however means that you can still "head glitch", you just point up while doing so.

[@yodal_]

Less about oddly placed crosshairs and more on unusual aiming, the Receiver games go to amazing lengths to make it feel like you are actually handling a firearm. Specifically, where ever the barrel of your gun is pointing is where the bullet is going to go, whether you have it pointed at the center of the screen, it's pointing at the sky from recoil, or it's pointing at your foot because you have it holstered.

[@microwavegommmm916]

What are "receiver games"

[@Okero97]

@@microwavegommmm916 Receiver and Receiver 2

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

so lower crosshair helps fix the laser eyes issue

[@microwavegommmm916]

@@Okero97 Ah ok, thanks

[@jamiedickinson4079]

it's not really fair to compare any other fps to receiver when talking about gun realism lmao

[@jimv8957]

Centered crosshair is superior because it is more natural, when you look straight forward naturally your eyes align with the horizon - not slightly down. Plus it has been the FPS staple for a while with people having natural muscle memory as to where the center of their screen is. With that said, I understand people like the feature and wish more games had the option for both centered and off-centered crosshair like Halo: MCC. I don't understand how more QoL and player friendly features like this aren't in more games. Vice-versa, a game like Hunt: Showdown shouldn't force you to have an off centered crosshair.

[@bonster101]

you prefer it cuz its the most common, but lowered aftrer you get use to it, is superior in every way

[@malyar__tv]

@@bonster101 why? you get used to it in one game and then you should get used to normal in every other game. If they want gamers to see more, they could just lower model of weapon

[@jimv8957]

@@bonster101 This is just wrong, just because you are used to something doesnt make it superior. If Hunt: Showdown is the only FPS you play good for you. If not then the game is a mess. I'm just saying if other games can give you options why not Hunt: Showdow? Wouldn't you as a competitor - if you truly believe lowered crosshair to be superior - want to go against people you think are using an inferior visual scheme because they have the option to? It seems like a win-win for everyone if they just allow it. Unless you are just blindly simping for Crytek, a dumbass dev company who lost most of its capital in a stupid lawsuit.

[@bonster101]

@@jimv8957 nah ur wrong. I win.

[@PaLaS0]

@@bonster101 people with OCD and jobs where pixel correction is the priority will eat you alive

[@naturalgas1180]

I personally prefer having a centered crosshair but having the view model lower on my screen kinda like what Tf2 does.

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

Having the viewmodel lower on the screen is what every shooter did until 2008 or so. I remember how every game started having big ass view models once FPS games became big on consoles and I hated it. In some games, the view models cover almost a quarter of the screen. I mean seriously, compare a game like Half-Life 2 to current games like Apex Legends. Heck, some games like Battlefield have such big view models that they sometimes touch the crosshair, which I find extremely irritating.

[@garbaj]

I always wondered why couldn't MCC couldn't just move the crosshair separately from the viewmodel, but based on some comments I think they might be directly tied to each other.

[@tbotalpha8133]

@@wilhufftarkin8543 I wonder if it's like that because the developers assume players will be playing on a couch-and-TV setup instead of a desktop monitor, and so the guns are made to be huge so that players sitting far away can see them easier? Meanwhile people playing on PC have the screen right in front of them, and so wouldn't need as much help to see what weapon they have equipped?

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

​@@tbotalpha8133 Yep, I think that's the reason. I kinda miss those times when PC and consoles had different games. Until the PS3 and Xbox 360 came out, shooters on consoles were fundamentally different. Once they figured out a good way to emulate PC controls on a controller and once the console hardware was "good enough" to develop the same game for every system, developers got lazy and started to simply port the console version to PC. To me, that was the point when shooters became significantly worse. Nowadays, they aren't as bad anymore as they were during the PS3/360 era, by far, but we still have to deal with remnants of this era, like big-ass view models, Call of Duty controls, no server browser, etc. I would love to know what AAA FPS games would look like if they were designed 100% for PC and if MW2 hadn't happened. Edit: I mean it's good that everyone can play almost every game, but I think merging PC and console genres has been a net loss when it comes to game variety. Classic console platformers and classic PC shooters and strategy games are mostly a thing of the past, at least when it comes to AAA games, which is a shame.

[@mintcey]

@@wilhufftarkin8543 I have minimal view models enabled in TF2 but I never really thought that the Apex guns were too big. Idk, maybe the pretty gun skins I own distract me from that but I can play perfectly fine unlike with the larger guns in TF2. It could be that the guns in Apex are explicitly animated to never go over the crosshair when reloading or avoid it as much as possible unlike tf2 where normal view models can cover half the screen.

[@Blastphemer]

As an unreal engine user I can say from experience it doesnt really matter how the weapon mesh is alligned when aiming down sight. With the so called "line trace by channel" you use your location of your weapon and the end location is basically the center of the screen. That means you can theoretically put your weapon upside down and the line trace will still perfectly hit the center of the screen.

[@der-gus]

I like cross hairs at the very top left, trust me it makes you 10X better at the game

[@AhmadWahelsa]

Nah bro very bottom right is where at it

[@randylahey2660]

I agree. Not only can you see more vertically, but also less of the screen is taken up by the ground, when its center 50% of the screen is the ground. If you go outside and look around normally you'd realize the ground isn't taking up so much of your bottom peripheral and when you have a higher peripher you're more aware of what is going on vertically which just feels more natural. Also it looks better aesthetic wise and for cinematic feel and screenshots. Field of view angle may also play into whether or not this is good idea.

[@Maro-gp3vf]

I honestly prefer centered, tried to play with a lower one and it just feels too weird for me to comfortably play the game, although I do feel more games could provide the option for both centered and lowered, I think Far Cry 5 allowed that

[@aryabratsahoo7474]

Yes, both have their advantages and disadvantages. For me, I like centered crosshair because that's where I instinctively focus at when shooting.

[@alexzaze1407]

I literally just play centered crosshair in far cry 5 so the gun and animations are more visible

[@carrops]

I'm the same. I understand the benefits but just can't get used to the change

[@filenotfound_2416]

Yep, I’d go so far as to say I hate playing with an off-centered crosshair. I love Hunt: Showdown but every time I put the game down and pick it back up later, it almost feels like I have to completely relearn how to play because of its lowered crosshair. I mean, maybe I’m being dramatic but it just feels so wrong to me.

[@noobarium]

@@filenotfound_2416 same i cannot stand playing hunt showdown because my years of fps experience do not transfer over and actively makes me unlearn the skills I have learned previously just to play one game because it wants to be special with its crosshair for no good reason.

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

I've always been a fan of free aim (such as Insurgency) ever since I first tried it (I believe the first was Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45, but there may have been a game or games before that I don't remember). Something about having the weapon move without the screen moving just feels right for me. On the other end, I just can't deal with the lower crosshair. I understand why it's done in the games that do it, but I find myself staring lower on my screen the entire time which takes a toll on my eyes after a bit.

[@voidbite]

you shouldn't look at the middle of the screen with your head whilst tilting you eyes downwards you should turn your head a bit downwards so you look at the crosshair directly meaning it won't take a toll on your eyes repositioning your screen could also help

[@TheThingInMySink]

It feels a lot more natural to me, I sometimes feel like I can't aim for shit in games where your bullets land on a fixed point on the screen, but in games like Red Orchestra, Rising Storm 2 and Insurgency shooting someone from the hip comes a lot more naturally.

[@FenoTheFox]

I played Halo for a long time and understood and appreciated the reasoning for lowering the crosshair. However I think the lowered crosshair benefits console gameplay significantly more than PC gameplay due to having higher accuracy and speed at your disposal with the mouse. Despite having played Halo on console for a long time, being completely a PC gamer now I find centered crosshairs to be much more desirable and more natural. Over the past several months I've been playing Hunt exclusively, and while you are right that you get used to a lower crosshair, I still find myself wishing centering it was an option. It also doesn't help that I've been doing Aimlab for warmups and training, and I find that switching back-and-forth between Hunt and Aimlab's crosshair setup can be jarring. I also worry that aim training with the centered crosshair won't translate 1:1 in Hunt's lowered crosshair, though I will say I've noticed improvement anyway. I still find myself wondering "would I be doing even better if the crosshair placement were consistent?" though.

[@OsaculnenolajO]

Agreed. On PC I always switch back to the centred crosshair if the option is available. I can certainly get used to a lowered one but it always feels a bit off. Especially in Hunt, that crosshair is so damn low it catches me off guard everytime i play.

[@garbaj]

thankfully the game is slow paced and pre-aiming is king, because I imagine the lowered crosshair would make those muscle-memory flick shots a bit harder to do

[@ARTEMISXIX]

Another thing completely discarded or omitted by most people who parade their love for low crosshairs is the fact its extremely inconvenient for monitor users. I'm sure this isn't a problem everyone encounters, but I quite literally have to adjust my monitor height every time I want to play Hunt: Showdown, or suffer from neck pains as I have to adjust my neck angle in a way my body isn't used to while playing it. Also definitely never got used to aiming being off-centre. From my understanding the head-glitch argument isn't valid for Hunt: Showdown, and the devs claim the main reason the crosshair is so low is due to the games art direction. Would love for the devs to implement a centered crosshair option one day so I wouldn't have to adjust my monitor every time I play an already frustrating game 😅

[@FenoTheFox]

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[@wilhufftarkin8543]

@@ARTEMISXIX Man, I'm glad I learned about Hunt Showdown having a lowered crosshair before I bought it. I've been interested in this game for a long time, but I never bought it because it looks kinda clunky. Now that I know it has a lowered crosshair, it's - sadly - a dealbreaker for me.

[@zaidosgames3827]

MechWarrior Online... you have a foot direction, torso direction, arm direction, head direction, separate crosshairs for arms and torso, all can be controlled individually and pointed in unique directions simultaneously.

[@SmellyCandle42]

I thought this video would be about games like GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, and Timesplitters where the crosshair actually moves as you aim. Interesting nonetheless.

[@WarriorOO2]

Free aim, I love those

[@fosforuss]

And same with Apex Legends, it makes it look really cool

[@HevonCZR]

@@fosforuss Apex has free aim? what?

[@fosforuss]

@@HevonCZR I thought they meant that the crosshairs moves as you move, Man I think I need to sleep right now.

[@garbaj]

the crosshair in Apex moves off center a little bit when you're walking/sprinting. It's especially noticeable if you use your monitor's built-in crosshair overlay and compare it to the in-game crosshair

[@cansifertharan6611]

I loved the lowered crosshair in halo, i always imagined Master chief firing from the hip, and the position of the firearm plus the crosshair really sells it to me

[@toastersdancetoo8803]

I always hated it. It fucked with my ocd

[@bimmer8602]

@@toastersdancetoo8803 yep lol

[@c_two5231]

I like the way the barrel points to define where the gun shoots. I think as a developer you can implement realistic features like scope damage and flipping the gun for canted sights, implementing that base feature can create a lot to expand from gun-modification-wise

[@ggwppodcast]

Tarkov does canted sights VERY well. Feels super cool to flip off your scope on a heavily modded m4 and dump the mag through a canted sight at closer range

[@CoralCopperHead]

I've lost my touch with it over the years, but as a kid I really loved the way the crosshair moved with the direction you were turning in Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. For me it felt like it made snap-shots easier in one way and harder in another, and back when it somehow felt really intuitive.

[@noogai8]

One point about hunt having the crosshair lower on the screen, is that I have found floor based traps to be more difficult to spot and avoid than it would otherwise, as I'm naturally looking higher.

[@MrZodiac011]

Yeah it's funny to me because whenever a change like this is made to break the norm in games, and they give reasons as to why, I always find just as many reasons if not more as to why it is worse. They should always just leave it centered as that's what 99% of games use, so 99% of players will get used to that. They shouldn't change things that break muscle memory, and they shouldn't change things to please a tiny minority

[@Soliye.]

@@MrZodiac011 I also prefer centered crosshair. But I'm not against the game making you feel less comfortable with a weapon without making the weapon itself less effective. One bullet will kill your character for good regardless, and most guns are really precise. But as op said, the lowered crosshair makes it so you have to look out for traps and overall environment while not being able to look at head level. Fits with the style of gameplay in Hunt Showdown. But it's not something I'd want in a TDM or more action oriented shooter.

[@wormwood8352]

@@MrZodiac011 my brother in Christ you are the tiny minority. Moaning and complaining about something trivial. It's a slightly off center crosshair, who cares.

[@Navajonkee]

@@MrZodiac011 "They should always just leave it centered as that's what 99% of games use, so 99% of players will get used to that." And who cares what you get used to? Having to adjust and relearn aiming in a different game is half the fun, and no game has obligation to adhere to your pre-existing 'skillz' in other shooter games. Seems like you're just a tad bit salty about it.

[@genericereal]

@@Navajonkee You sound way more salty than Zodiac, who literally started his comment with "it's funny to me." He's just talking about what's convenient. Like it's just more convenient to not have to adjust how you aim because it's a basic action in a game which is grounded in shooting people. It's the same reason why most people try to get their mouse sensitivity the same in each shooter they play--it just makes it way more convenient, especially if you play other shooters.

[@flipair1737]

Welcome to the world of vertical shooters ^^ it's pretty common these days splitgate etc are using the same style of crosshair placement :)

[@DonaldJPump24]

I really enjoy games with no cross hair and bullets coming out of the gun, the immersion of hip firing a guy in insurgency is absolutely next-level 👌 causes you to focus on where you bullets are actually hitting, and makes you focus on your target, noticing things like their ragdoll and the puffs of red mist more.

[@carrops]

I prefer no crosshair too but insurgency hip fire is wacky ngl. Tarkov's hipfire feels much more predictable

[@DonaldJPump24]

@@carrops yeah tarkov is more realistic all around. Insurgency is really just a twitch shooter with a tactical skin. But I like it.

[@Mrdestiny17]

I dont play insurgency but I play post scriptum and I hipfire a lot now and I'm pretty accurate with it too. Play a lot of radio man so I can spit 2-3 bullets out, see where they land, adjust and get the kill

[@DatHombre]

@@DonaldJPump24 I totally agree. I do not understand the people that call it "tactical". It's literally like hardcore call of duty pretty much. Maybe some slower movement, like you can't really jump around a corner to kill someone, but definitely not "way" different by any means imo. And but yeah with that said, I do still appreciate it for what it is.

[@BlackoutGootraxian]

I know im super late but can you give me the original picture of your profile picture

[@mindquad779]

really appreciate how short and to the point this was

[@Kasspirr]

War Thunder actually has TPP crosshair higher in order to aircraft/tank/vessel model to fit the screen. If crosshair was centered, if you wanted to aim at enemy in front, your view would be blocked by your tank. However when you ADS/look through gunsights its centered.

[@enterchannelname8981]

I think also the height is different for different vehicles, so with larger vehicles you can still see around your tank, though this is going on how it looks, not actual data

[@shepardpolska]

Crosshair in WT is centered. What isn't is your camera angle which is on a downwards angle. It isn't the same thing at all, as in WT/WOT your crosshair isn't locked to your Camera.

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

In the Master Chief Collection you can even set the crosshair position yourself again. It's pretty neat to the design choices of crosshairs and positions.

[@andro_king]

Off-center crosshairs are the reason why I dont play a lot of games, I like crosshairs to be in the middle and if absolutely necessary slightly above the center. I prefer this because I can see more of the map around me, helping with movement. Also centered or slightly up-shifted crosshairs feel more realistic and tangible.

[@ARTEMISXIX]

Absolutely infuriates me when fans of games defend the lack of centered cross-hair options with "Just get used to it". Okay? What if I can't? What if even when I do it feels awkward and gives me whiplash when jumping between games with and without centered crosshairs. I'm absolutely with you on this one.

[@AKK5I]

It's ridiculous, doom and quake perfected the FPS and then some hipsters think they gotta reinvent the wheel and make it square "because it's different and cool"

[@Xirdus]

Off center crosshairs always felt wrong to me, but I could never put a finger on it. But watching the Hunt footage in your latest video finally made me realize something - YOU'RE LOOKING UP. To shoot straight ahead, you must turn the camera upwards. With how low the crosshair is in this game, at long distances you're basically looking at the sky. But even at short range it's noticeable enough. It only clicked for me now.

[@palmtree5489]

I love your videos, i can literally watch every one of them without getting bored, pls make longer videos or streams discussing big topics in development of games.

[@SomeGuyXD65]

I was a Halo fanatic. When I transitioned to other shooters, my crosshairs were always slightly lower than the center. I guess muscle memory with Halo is to blame.

[@buzdygan5488]

interesting note: few games about plane combat that i played had the exact reverse: crosshairs were 1/3 of the screen from the top. This had benefit of letting player see more below him, which is where ground (common obstacle leading to death) or targets are

[@saxwastaken]

War thunder is a prime example of this, the crosshair on mouse aim for planes is further up in the screen from the middle.

[@__--_-_-.__---___.__---__-]

@@saxwastaken it's in the center normally but the more you zoom in the more it goes up

[@saxwastaken]

@@__--_-_-.__---___.__---__- I'm looking at it right now, it's closer to the top of the screen, go into virtual cockpit and you can see that it's centered there, but switch to third person and it's above the center.

[@__--_-_-.__---___.__---__-]

@@saxwastakenI guess it was too subtle for me to notice

[@LuminantYTG]

I promise if there's an option to change it i will 10 times out of 10 change it to centered

[@im.weasel]

I hate the crosshair being lower so bad. It makes me feel squished. I feel like I have to keep lifting my crosshair up because its not where I want it.

[@wulfthemountaindragon5432]

Everytime I see an offcenter crosshair, my inner OCD demon screams in demonic rage

[@Badguy292]

I will say that I don't think a lowered crosshair makes it harder to align models. I've fiddled with it a lot while modding Dying Light and experimenting with it in Unreal Engine 4. The thing is, you have to code in the position of the gun regardless, as it's resting place in the corner of the screen, and the ADS position are both separate coordinates that need to be coded. The only change from lowering the Z-axis coordinates (assume that's the up/down axis in most game engines) is the X-axis rotation on top of that, so it's not a lot more work that you already have to do. And if the game is planned to have a lowered crosshair from the beginning, like HUNT: Showdown, the developers would already do that from the beginning, so it doesn't take time out of their day to go back and change it later.

[@cipsahoy9639]

Hunt’s “hunter” setup is something i can never go back from using. Its so much more control

[@talonobrovacgorgon5994]

Personally i do not like non centered crosshair, but the best option would be able to choose between lowered or centered crosshair

[@austin5060]

Thankfully in Halo MCC they have an option that allows you to make it centered, really helps for SWAT

[@karticus1139]

my only gripe about low crosshairs is that I feel myself craning my head or straining my eyeballs while trying to aim at enemies

[@Switch.lol_]

Prey (2017) uses a crosshair that is below the center of the screen. It could have been a deliberate design choice, but since you mentioned cryengine I'm thinking it was already implemented and they just went with it.

[@chadhill455]

I also always felt like, in Hunt Showdown. the lower crosshair means you feel like you're actually drawing your gun as you align it on your target, as if you're pulling it up to a readied position. I'm sure everyone's had that moment in Showdown where someone pops up, you swipe your cursor up to align your crosshair on them and get a western-style, one-shot headshot, feeling like you just pulled a quickdraw. All thanks to having the lowered crosshair

[@veyghard3217]

Yeah, except that it doesn't gets centered once you ADS in Hunt Showdown as far as i know

[@TheMCmace]

I hate it so much^^ you have to aim ,,so high,,

[@iMost067]

in HUNT its deliberate choice to make it harder to shoot

[@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971]

@@iMost067 I could respect that if it wasn't for the fact that there's less verticality to the maps in Hunt than on Halo. I get why they did it in Halo 3 but I still disliked it.

[@termitreter6545]

@@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971 Tbh I dont even get how more verticality is an argument for lowered crosshair. Makes it easier to shoot down, but shooting up makes you look to the sky, its a bit silly.

[@fashion.victim]

I've been playing FPS games on PC for 16-17 years. I like a middle ground on what looks like real life in terms of perspective, and when I'm facing front and walking forward, I can see my feet swinging in my peripheral vision below me. Games with uncentered, usually lowered crosshairs force me into a perspective where it feels like the bottom half of my screen is cut off. I think it feels natural for most people to see a good portion of where they're walking, probably why many players aim at the floor ahead of them.

[@Compute86]

I honestly hate the lowered crosshair. When I first started playing Halo, I never really noticed until I went to mouse and keyboard. I find that the lowered crosshair makes me look at the ground more and I notice looking at the sky to aim at headshot level so I would tend to look at the ground more so it looks like everything is centered on my screen. Centered crosshair is best and if the gun gets in the way, all you have to do is lower the view model of the gun.

[@ripsaebri8082]

the problem is, 99% of gamers just walk around looking at the ground, and its only a small percentage of competitive gamers who keep their gun aimed off the ground and more at a height where a threat could actually even be lol. so thats why no one even is mentioning the fact that if you walk around preaiming the correct height, most of the monitor is just sky since you have to aim up so much.

[@hypnotox]

@@ripsaebri8082 "small percentage of competitive gamers" - I'm not sure what you mean by small percent, but i play CS:GO EU for a few years now at MG2-LE elo and people in these ranks on average have at least some crosshair placement. I would love to have the option to switch the placement in Hunt, it's always a huge hassle to switch my mindset for that game that i actually haven't played it in a while now.

[@Sundji]

Literally just dont look at the ground lmfao

[@Compute86]

@@Sundji then it seems like you're looking at the sky the whole time you're playing since you can't see the ground.

[@Sundji]

@@Compute86 I must just not care whether or not I see the ground because thats just not an issue to me. Do you need to see the ground? surely you can see the ground further in front of you without having to look down.

[@chainsawplayin]

Deus Ex: Human Revolution has uncentered crosshairs when you use the laser pointer weapon mod. It's tied to the gun model and the bullets go exactly where the laser points. This can cause certain weapons to be less accurate when jumping.

[@ZeCantaloupe]

I'd love to get your take on "free aim" games where you can actually movie the aim cursor around a bit before turning the screen. A la perfect dark. DayZ also has the option and some players use it as it makes your player model move less, so your can be stealthier.

[@AndrewClancyAKAPropheticOnion]

I'm a huge Hunt: Showdown fan, one of my all time fave games... and I bloody hate the uncentered crosshair. Never noticed it when playing halo, but with Hunt I constantly (despite 700+ hours) find myself pre-aiming based on muscle memory from other shooters with centered crosshairs, and my shots are just way too low. I hadn't considered headglitching in terms of crosshair placement-- that's a good reason to make the change, but I still fucking hate how it feels to have my camera tilted up to the sky in order to aim at head level.

[@denodagor]

Same thing here, could never get used to it in Hunt (tho i never played Halo). Also I'm pretty sure it makes no difference for headglitching, changing the angle will not make any difference. What would is the point from which the bullet comes out of, usually the camera at eye level, so you'd have to lower it to match the gun model, not angle it down.

[@MillerTM]

Usually to counter the issue of headglitching in centered crosshair games, they put your eyes around the neck area. Battlefield 4 did that a while back and it had some weird consequences when it came to shooting out of some windows.

[@wookie-nz2761]

Not sure if it's been mentioned already but I love the non-static crosshairs in Titanfall 2. As far as I'm aware it doesn't affect aim and snaps back to the center when firing but the subtle shake while you sprint makes what would otherwise be a generic hud element feel like it's a part of the game world

[@person6171]

They do throw my aim off, and theres really no place for them in shooter games

[@Ascend3r]

Red Orchestra and I believe Rising Storm did this too (same developers) where your gun including in ADS has some freedom of movement within the screen before the actual first person view starts to follow it, meaning the crosshair is almost never centered on the screen. I never quite got comfortable with this system but if you haven't heard of these games yet and their aiming system it's VERY applicable to the topic and an interesting quirk I don't recall seeing almost anywhere else.

[@magic1wizard]

The nice thing about the the way RO handles the crosshair is that you can turn off the crosshair without being at a major disadvantage.

[@suursuits7637]

Another really interesting aiming system is in Receiver 2. The point of aim when ADSing (since that's the only way to shoot at something other than the floor) is in the center of the screen but rotates in a horizontal figure 8 pattern and gets shakier the longer you aim.

[@jeremyrm7]

You have no idea how jarring it was to go back and play the old halos, I naturally look at the centre of the screen and tend to notice as soon as a game shifts the crosshairs because I’m not realigning my placement

[@jerorgb4269]

2:48 Polygon is a game where the crosshair of the hip fire acuracy depends on the direction of the barrel but, while aiming it is in the center so it is a mix of many concepts

[@ftg_vader8690]

I've put hundreds of hours into Hunt: Showdown and personally hate the lowered crosshair. It makes it a little harder for muscle memory to transfer over from other games and honestly does NOT even stop headglitching

[@heibk-2019]

I think its good in Hunt. Since the vision at the actual point where you shoot isnt really clear, due to the game not having modern scopes and sights i often tend to have the enemies i look at over the gun and then pull the sights up onto then enemy for shooting. So having a bigger portion of the screen over the gun is useful

[@Gordoxgrey]

@@heibk-2019 I think it's stupid in hunt since you can lower the gun anyways. And it makes it annoying as hell to see any traps on the ground since you then have to lower the view anyways. I also really hate having 60-70% of my screen being of the sky and trees.

[@union4814]

@@Gordoxgrey I agree it feels like the models head is angled slightly to far up and it's really uncomfortable for my eyes to adjust because it feels unnatural

[@scotch1148]

@@Gordoxgrey That's kind of the point though, Hunt is basically a glorified Attacking/Defending game. So forcing you to look down for traps/AI as you enter somewhere makes sense, and adds to the experience for a lot of people, Hunt is not a traditional FPS, it is of course going to have weird things like that. But eventually you end up enjoying how it forces you to play differently and watch your movement, it's completely different from anything else. By comparison, claymores tend to be useless in CoD unless they're behind a corner or something. And it's boring, you can't use them much on hardpoint or anything to defend, like they're actually intended for. Because nobody actually has to look down to see them.

[@Gordoxgrey]

@@scotch1148 What an absolutely stupid reason. It's a gimmick. Rainbow six siege is an attacking defending game and it has a centered crosshair because that's standard for first person shooters.

[@merdwardo2085]

Halo 4 totally turned me of lowered crosshairs since that thing literally touches the floor

[@ivel2934]

1. The viewmodels do not need to be bigger with a centered crosshair 2. You're right you would see more vertically when aiming at a target, but naturally in a game with verticality you are bound to be the person that is vertical, and in that moment it would be advantageous to see more downward 3. I don't see how uncentered crosshair would reduce head glitching, in most of the games I've played your heads position wouldn't move up or down enough for it to make a difference

[@niblanopepper7]

I think he meant it so that you can't shoot over walls with your head barely being over the wall, as your gun is lower. Also about number 1 the view models can be the same size but the fact that it's lower on the screen means it takes up less space.

[@PsychoRavager]

MAFIA 2 did this... tho having the crosshair centered above center.

[@jeffreysheets5312]

Far Cry 5 gave you the option of lowered or centered crosshairs. Perhaps it was more drastic than the games you’ve talked about in the video, but I couldn’t get used to it. I can see that it gave you a more open view, but it was seriously throwing off my aim. Had to change to centered.

[@fleurbird]

You keep blowing my mind. Finding these details in games. I mostly only noticed when you tell me.

[@gerrytheleper6604]

01:10: A lower crosshair has no effect on headglitching. Having to aim your mouse slightly higher doesn't make you stand up more.

[@mytruthisreality]

There was this source mod i played back in the day called Resistance and Liberation, ive never seen aiming/crosshair placement done like it since. the gun kind of floated in this cone that you could control with the mouse however it wouldnt be enough to move your character model just your arms and the relative position to where you were shooting..... its hard to explain. xD

[@Alobster1]

I'm pretty sure what your talking about is how Insurgence does it's crosshairs. The original one was also on the source engine.

[@flavourruling2162]

VR type controls (visually) but on M+K, by the sounds of it

[@finn7453]

I’ve been playing hunt for almost a year and I have never noticed the crosshairs being off centre.

[@rraaiin]

how? its really noticable

[@CritStanley]

@@rraaiin Some people don't associate the crosshairs with the center of the screen. I know that seems weird because usually it is in the center. But I've found all the people who don't like lowered are people who learned to aim at the center of the screen while those who are fine/don't notice lowered are people who learned to aim at the crosshair. Simply a frame of mind.

[@Tostky]

Every once in a while you cover a topic I actually am super knowledgeable about and the way you interact with learning is fascinating to me.

[@EvilTim1911]

Prey 2017, one of my favorite games ever, had an off-center crosshair and it encouraged me to think more vertically because the game had a LOT of verticality to it that you didn't necessarily HAVE to explore to progress.

[@Myst1cSoul]

This is something I also never knew about until I played destiny on stadia and had to adjust my cross hair. I personally like the “console” crosshair or lowered crosshair better because it lets me see more and it just feels more natural in a sense

[@Danlight1911]

It's cool, but in no way should it be forced. The option to select center crosshair should always be available.

[@Ficip]

It makes sense to have a lowered cross hair when aiming from the hip. And have it center or adjust wherever when aiming or aiming down the sights.

[@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971]

Oh my god it's so nice to finally see some videos addressing the lowered crosshair. I couldn't find anything talking about it for the longest time but now suddenly it seems like everyone is addressing it more than before, so now I don't feel like I'm going crazy. I HATE the lowered crosshair so much, makes me feel like I'm looking down the bridge of my nose the whole time.

[@person6171]

I fucking despise it

[@IMBATAKU]

It is so fucking annoying, that is not how a game should be

[@DanteYewToob]

I’m surprised you left out the major benefits for games like Halo. The lowered reticule allows for a more “vertical” screen setup to account for the heavy verticality of Halo games, same with Destiny. You have flying vehicles, platforms above you, enemies that can jump extremely high, and more. Destiny added in sliding and more complex maneuvers where you find yourself below the enemy even more often! Simply lowering the h reticule a bit gives a similar effect and feel to the Snyder Cut where he shot in 4:3 because hero comics are much more vertical and in my opinion, the Snyder cut looks incredible and it made me want to see more films and games go back to 4:3. I think that widescreen and a centered reticule works for most regular shooters and action games where you need a wide field of view to catch a glimpse out of your “peripheral vision” on the screen and mostly fight in wide open battlefields in largely 2 dimensions. I particularly like the lowered reticule for games like that, especially because I hate when big chunky guns take up a ton of screen space. As much as I LOVE Doom and Doom Eternal, those guns be CHONKY and some of them glow and other nonsense I feel like it could really benefit from dropping the reticule a bit and lowering the guns by quite a bit. Sometimes I play in classic mode with the gun centered and that is really fun for novelty, but it actually really helps with seeing enemies and stuff at that fast pace! If you haven’t tried the classic gun position setting in the new Doom games, I’d highly recommend running a level or two with it and see what you think!

[@BrickBuster2552]

"Verticality" doesn't make a lot of sense though, because "verticality" is up... AND DOWN, meaning a player with a lower crosshair centered forward is gonna have a harder time spotting someone beneath them. It also makes it harder for a player to fight someone who's dropping down to their level.

[@kerbaman5125]

Alternatively, having the hip/pointfire crosshair lower on the screen, and the ads sights in the center could also make sense, since you're aiming from higher up on your body.

[@cctz_1]

From a gameplay n design perspective thats not a good idea

[@kerbaman5125]

@@cctz_1 Why?

[@twisted3126]

These videos are really entertaining dude, keep up the good content!

[@Kull1339]

Funny thing, as I learned more about actually firearms it started to bug me how in many FPS games you hold the gun so high up VS how actually soldiers do. This became even more obvious when I played VR shooters, the gun was held lower so I could see and sight in easier. But you gotta show off those gun models or all that money would go to waste

[@codybennett1009]

That and it'd be weird to hold the gun in a realistic position because I'm guessing you wouldn't even really see the weapon unless you're ads.

[@Kull1339]

@@codybennett1009 Yup, you'd only really see the top of it, Arma is another good example

[@Stratelier]

This reminds me of a similar trick in general programming -- if you want to "center" a popup window onscreen (or even just a UI element within a window), it is sometimes more intuitive to position it slightly _above_ center (e.g. 60/40) than actually mathematically center it.

[@jeffkline4888]

A lower crosshair also lets you see more of the beautiful skybox in a game like Halo! It encourages you to look up I think. Been a fan of this design choice for a long time now.

[@ARTEMISXIX]

I believe that was in fact the main reason for Bungie.

[@FKProds]

Star Citizen has a unified rig which means the positions of everything to do with the character are consistent between first person and across the network. This lead to knock-ons like nausea inducing headbob. This was resolved by simulating the image stabilization the brain does specifically for self-induced motion.

[@yayedu]

I am in the same train as CloudPhase, the lowered crosshairs on HUNT was a dealbreaker for me. I aint that much of a competitive gamer, but ive come too so to centered crosshairs that off centered ones felt so unnatural. Not only in the moment of aiming, but it also gives me motion sickness (never had that issue with games before), to the point it becomes nauseating to look a little upwards than usual, just to have my crosshairs where they should be. Besides HUNT while also has the benefit of verticallity, one must spend quite some time staring at the floor for traps or glass/puddles, having to look even further downards. I would really like if it was a customizable option, to have them off center by default, but to give the player an option to center them if they want to. Sure, it may beat some of the purpose, and it would be even more complicated to program, but I would really apreciate that option.

[@ursaproxima]

I have the same issue with motion sickness. I think it has to do with how FOV distortion on sides, top and bottom of the screen. The center of the screen is the least distorted, and looking slightly above or below when aiming gives it this weird feeling.

[@yayedu]

@@ursaproxima Yeah, it kinda reminds me when people modded the old school dooms to have vertical aiming. Ofc that was very exagerated, but feels quite like it

[@badfellow8422]

Scope mounts are angled to force you to tilt the rifle up, this is where long range shooting gets kind of involved kids it's not for everyone. But you actually would have to angle your rifle down to shoot what you want depending if the round and MOA of the scope base and distance to target so there is some realism in having the models tilted down, potentially. I think old rifle would do this with iron sights to like the G98 and it's roller coaster sight that had a minimum range of 300 meters holding below your targets was necessary.

[@Lolingtoner]

I LOVE hunt and feel its unappreciated so seeing it get praised is nice

[@Leedledled1]

Thank you for shouting out Hunt Showdown! Great game that needs more players

[@mehmetalierol7491]

I get motion sickness when crosshairs are not centerrd

[@Sinsanatis]

huh. i heard the reason for lowered crosshair for halo was for so that u would have to look up more and it would make u see more the environment that the devs worked so hard on. another game i know that does the barrel aim like insurgency is crsed foad, or previously known as cuisine royale. although there is a crosshair, just that it moves with the movement of the gun.

[@JudgeAlex]

No crosshair system well ever feel as unique and interesting as Goldeneye for the N64. I Understand why it's considered rather archaic on modern engines, and the many benefits of having a center or near center crosshair, but the immersion of having a fixed perspective, making the screen seem more like a window rather than a display, and being able to aim at different points in that fixed perspective (as well as the nostalgia, admittedly) will forever make the point-and-shoot feel like its missing something, for me at least.

[@tangosucka2000]

So right! The first game that popped into my head too. Bloody brilliant game and still play it to this day. But the same rules apply from 1997 until now......and forever. No one is allowed to use Oddjob in multiplayer. 🤣

[@JudgeAlex]

@@tangosucka2000 you just brought back the worst memories... 😅

[@nemo9864]

Lower crosshairs hurt my eyes lmao

[@ShamelessDuck]

I hated (among many other things) lowered crosshair in Outer World, especially since there was a setting to make crosshair centered and the ADS viewmodel stayed the same, making it very hard to properly aim. And I don't really think there was much of a need there too for such feature.

[@cypherdice1954]

There is actually a very simple way to to this in Godot: Parent the camera to a spatial named "head", and put the gun as a sibling, then just rotate the camera 5-15 degrees upward and you have a lowered crosshair. No need to rotate the gun or change the height of the raycast. Just remember to make the controller control the head node, not the camera.

[@cypherdice1954]

I forgot to mention, although it should go without saying, you would still need to move the crosshair.

[@Prototype60]

The lowered crosshair in Halo creates some sort of phantom strain in my eyes as if I was always trying to look up. Can't get used to that.

[@ivel2934]

I thought I was the only one XD

[@RedmilesShark]

I love how Red Orchestra / Rising Storm does it as well as Insurgency Sandstorm.

[@colbyboucher6391]

My favorite things about insurgency's system: - It models the inaccuracy of hip-firing without resorting to bullets going sideways out of the barrel - It's something you can learn to control - Naturally makes laser sights useful - Makes quick turns in CQC quicker at the same sensitivity I reeeeally wish more games tried it out.

[@AbsalomIndustries]

As someone who has a hard time tracking floating crosshairs in game, I'd probably have never noticed this at all, so it was illuminating in that regard. Thanks for the video, even though it probably would never have affected me not knowing this in those games.

[@ZeBear]

For people like me who play/ed games like counter strike/quake/valorant at a high level aiming at the center of the screen has becomes so natural that i could play pretty well without a crosshair (for example a friend of mine did a chellenge in valorant where he went from fresh acc to radiant without a crosshair and he said that after the first day or 2 it was easy). So when i go play a game like hunt i will still instinctly flick as if my crosshair was in the middle or in insurgency it feels like i am battling with the game to aim. Which is very sad because i had a ton of fun with both games but in the end i dropped them because of the aiming mechanics :( I understand that some people enjoy this but i would perfer there is always an option to center the crosshair like in destiny.

[@_fowlplay_]

If I remember correctly, in Tiny Tina's Wonderlands that launched just a while back, you can setup the crosshair to be either on the lower half of the screen or and the center, I'd say most people that play games, myself included, prefer centered crosshairs as it makes more sense because you focus on the center of your vision, so having the crosshair lower messes with our brains, and well, read some other comments, you might find something similar as this is becoming a book.

[@bannah6400]

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[@protonjones54]

No, I absolutely fucking hate games that don't have centered crosshairs, and in Halo it made throwing accurate nades needlessly difficult and frustrating. Hell it makes aiming and target acquisition in general needlessly difficult and frustrating

[@Darkaan13]

Rising Storm 2 Vietnam (and others in the series) had a no crosshair system where the direction of the gun was were it's aiming at but also gun movement where slightly independent from the screen movement so moving the mouse would move the gun then the screen when the gun is too far to a certain side of the screen, it also affected ADS to a lesser degree, this meant that you couldn't aim with the center of the screen like in Tarkov for instance and that full auto was truly hard to control as well as spaying without aiming was highly unpredictable at anything more than a couple of meters

[@Agentcoolguy1]

I despised lowered crosshairs. Makes me feel like I'm looking down all the time.

[@reedworsham5643]

Phantom Forces (yes, the roblox game) has its bullets fire out of the barrel of your gun, which makes things like sprinting animations and such increase your reaction time by forcing you to wait for your barrel to rise before being able to properly engage a target. You can even shoot at funny angles by using the weapon inspect animation to point your guns barrel off to the side. Pretty neat.

[@theecoacer5999]

I never thought about how it could prevent nasty peeks in Hunt, I just thought it added to the beautiful aesthetic of the game letting more of the sky and less of the gun be on the screen. Love the vid.

[@denodagor]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually, it's just angled lower. Like the bullet still comes out of the same spot but towards a slightly lower angle. You can fix that by making the bullets start from gun's model instead of the usual center of the camera that is at eye level (the only problem with that is sometimes the gun looks like it'd be over the cover but isn't, which is not that big of a deal).

[@DizturbedFan]

at first, i thought it was off-centered to make mines/traps a bit harder to see without looking down, focusing on the ground.

[@thekekman8483]

"Much like in Rainbow Six: Siege" My brother in Christ, they practically removed that feature entirely by removing bullet holes and constantly 'fixing' maps by taking away pixel peaks, tf you on?

[@person6171]

I absolutely refuse to play any games with lowered crosshairs

[@cybercat8819]

cursed : Off-Center Crosshairs Are Kinda Cool: nooo its not COOL, this is so cursed

[@joopert]

Off-centered crosshair is the worst thing in video games period, I hate every game that forces it with a passion.

[@bunkyysol1132]

Now I can’t unsee it not being centered and that’s ok. Good video

[@LordBathtub]

Far Cry 5 has this option too. Really let's you take in the vistas. Also feels more natural, no one holds their gun at the collar bones

[@jokroast6912]

A game that I play that mixes things up by having bullets actually come from the chamber of guns is Phantom Forces on Roblox, and they can be fired during weapon inspect animations and vaulting animations away from where the fixed crosshair is.

[@SkollTheWerewolf]

I've actually always despised this feature with a burning passion. Having grown up with central crosshairs for most of my gaming life, the transition from a central crosshair to a lowered one bugged me so bad I quit playing that game. The reason is because I am very, very attuned to having my perpipheral vision covering everything around the center of my screen, and I get the most information out of what I am looking at when I am looking in the middle of my screen. I might be shooting an enemy in the middle, but see another just off to the right and can adjust accordingly. But with lowered crosshairs, it feels like I am looking at the sky while I am trying to shoot, like my nose is runny and I am trying to stop it from dripping, but also trying to shoot my enemy. It feels so clunky, awkward and horrible in a way I can't really convey properly. There's so much dead space above the crosshair I simply can't pay attention to, and my instinct is ALWAYS to be looking at my enemy directly, with the center of the screen, often resulting in me just shooting the floor.

[@duckdongjd9458]

Exact same reason why I also dropped Hunt. Comming from Counter Strike I always keep my crosshair at head level and doing so in Hunt 2/3 of my screen is just the sky.

[@davidalex0607]

This is exactly how I feel about it, it's a shame since my friends are super into it but I had to try and explain to them why I couldn't deal with the lowered crosshairs, it's so bad to the point of straining my eyes

[@ripsaebri8082]

lowered crosshair is for console games, where ppl walk around aiming at the floor. its complete trash if you want to walk around aiming at correct threat height. such a shame on games with no option to change it.

[@scotch1148]

Long comment, but I hope you learn to love Hunt! It truly is a unique experience, unlike any other game available. Anyways, I'd argue that this is a completely intended feeling, Hunt is quite a "Hardcore" game. (Although I hate that term) If there's a one-shot-headshot mechanic, why not make it more punishing to always be aiming at head level? A central crosshair means you miss out on a bit of the right side of your screen, and a little on the bottom. A lowered crosshair means you miss out on what's directly below/in front of your characters legs/feet. (NOT his face) which is very intuitive for a game like Hunt where crack peeking is super viable and encouraged. It leads to you NEEDING to look down and make sure it's safe, and if you don't, and you step on a trap, it can actually be a big surprise and induce panic, I've always thought claymores and such in CoD were pretty useless because of the centered crosshair, everyone was forced to just plant them on corners. It's a great design choice for a game like hunt because you might be so focused on what's in front of your face, that you don't notice where you're stepping. And if you're already super immersed in the atmosphere and sound design, then it makes you use your senses in a way in which you aren't accustomed to in FPS games. And it substantially changes your playstyle and thought process. It's pretty ingenious as a design choice. Iron sights also matter more with a lower crosshair in my opinion. Not to mention how convenient a lowered crosshair is for crouching/proning in games, I always thought that the crouched aiming in CoD 2019 was a cool addition, but it looked stupid because of the centred crosshair for example. I also personally think it makes leading/shooting ranged shots easier too, but that's just my opinion. I think a lot of people treat Hunt too much like an FPS and it ends up with them hating the crosshair. A lot of gunfights are won by reaction, and through creative peeks/positioning, not just through pure headshot-aim.

[@boogiebam7104]

Resident evil 4 and 5s (non crosshair) laser pointing shooting is offset and also crazy intuitive. I'm surprised how good they made it feel. While going guns blazing or shooting the Magnum with infinite ammo your laser would disappear while firing but you'd only need the right amount of stick movement to be on target again. Phenomenal