Off Grid Max Solar Package for Ember RVs!!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

*HEY EVERYONE! Some quick updates for you as this video is now slightly out of date:* ► All roof panels are now 200w for all Overland Series Embers ► All Overland Series now use a Truma A/C unit. See new video tours for more info ► Max Solar now uses Victron components rather than Mastervolt

[@JeffinTD]

Massive improvement! They seem to have a fast development cycle- short time between learning what could be better, and having the product to market.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@JeffinTD A lot of it is also a difference in what they prefer to use vs. what was available when they first came into the scnee

[@JeffinTD]

@@JoshtheRVNerd For sure. Even aircraft manufacturers have had problems sourcing components.

[@robertreagan2181]

It would be nice if RV companies just started putting enough solar to run fans (heater fan included), lights, refrigerator and a few laptops as a standard item. They could get rid of a lot of the bling like Christmas lights on the awning, radio with indoor/outdoor speakers, and fancy blue lighting in the trailer. Make those options and put that savings into standard energy to make overall cost more reasonable.

[@StressLessCamping]

Good point but remember, too,that a lot of RVs live out their days in RV parks. But I’m with you - I would love to see RVs with no outdoor speakers or awning lights and such, or make those things an option.

[@charleschilders6366]

Perfect for national parks such as Frisco Campground at the Outer Banks where you can run your generator until 10PM. Often it is very warm all night in the Outer Banks. I could imagine cooling down the rig with the generator after a day at the beach and showers, until 2200, shut down the genny, and run the rest of the night on the max package (and maybe another battery or two).

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

That’s a great idea.. tandem power solutions..

[@TonyYarusso]

On that Go Power battery monitor, the number displayed in the far bottom right corner at 7:46 is the current power usage in watts, not remaining time in weeks. It's just math from the other two numbers on the bottom row: 13.3 volts times 2.34 amps equals 31.1 watts. The number just *above* that is remaining time at the current draw - 58 hours and 45 minutes (137Ah/2.34A=58.5 hours and toss in a bit of rounding error), or about two and a half days.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Blah, apologies. The "time remaining" readout is on one of those panels. In my haste I mis-interpreted what I was seeing. TY Tony as always my friend!

[@roannathephoenix8561]

Always appreciate the information you can provide. Solar components are constantly evolving and having a realistic approach to the costs verses the reality of what it will actually do is a much better way too approach it.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I love these Embers. I really didn’t see any RV at the Pittsburgh RV show that was off road ready, except a Black Label. Not paying $85K. These Embers are great product at a better price.

[@sherriweber7105]

Thank you so much Josh for doing this video and explaining about the solar package with the Ember.

[@stevenelson8560]

Binford Tools I think. I like those Embers, I hope they add something a little more couple focused in the 20+ foot range.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

OMgosh.. Binford.. the comments are going to eat me up on this

[@KeithsAle1]

Love your videos. I pick up our 190 MDB on Monday afternoon. Bought it a few weeks ago and have been watching your various videos ever since trying to educate myself as much as possible.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Oh wow congratulations! I'd love it if you were able to drop me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review in return for the helping hand! And please continue to tune in, learn, and share your experiences with myself and everyone else!

[@CC-gt3ro]

From my calculations the tongue weight with max solar and full bottle and a little cargo is probably over 300lbs maybe 400lbs over the dry tongue weight of 570 to 650 depending of the models. So i think tongue weight could be around 1000 to 1200 lbs if only few gallon of water are added only for the driving trip. Would be interesting to have the full tongue weight with real loading conditions. Of course it is impossible to fill the water tank which would be alone 456 lbs of water. Would be interesting to know what truck drive this rv correctly. I think a f150 would be fine with the 171 but i see much more a f250 for the 201 quad wheel.

[@David-jo4gt]

I am so glad your weather did not come in a month earlier. Still loving the Roadtrek and we are interested in solar. Thank you for doing videos that educate and you are always welcome in Florida.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Man me too. The longer that weather holds off, the happier I am!!

[@Mrandazzo4]

Great video and the information is not just Ember specific! A lot of what you said is a great basis for solar in general.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I'm finding that to be super true - especially as Rockwood has released their Power Package solar upgrade which is nearly identical!

[@johnsanford4569]

Glad you mentioned weight allowances. A lot of folks never consider max weight limits of the rv and/or tow vehicle.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Yessir. Safety BEFORE the sale. Always.

[@jofrazier-hansen4097]

S-AWEET! I'M so excited! Ember is out there trying to lead the pack.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

They're certainly willing to do it differently!

[@badgerpa9]

Good explanations Josh. Some say Lithium battery juice makes you happy but lead acid battery juice makes you unhappy. Lithium juice can help you not feel so dry when dry camping, lol. I prefer moo juice. Stay safe and healthy Josh.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I've never heard that before.. interesting. TY!

[@sherriweber7105]

Hi Josh! You were right it was Bedford tools and it was from the show Home Improvement Tim Allen was in it. Tim the tool man Taylor. He’s from Michigan too!

[@terryhaynes1596]

Ember needs to move the solar inverter controls into the inside of the TT. Making one go outside to see the hours/battery available is a horrible idea. With a great trailer, they got lazy on this one feature. Also would like to see all Victron components. Yeah I drank the blue cool aide.

[@_PACE_]

I think the thought behind it is the App Josh was speaking about maybe? You would be able to check with your phone but if outside, the side door opened, or couldn't find your phone you could see the gauges as well?

[@terryhaynes1596]

@@_PACE_ I understand. I have this and a lot more of this equipment in my fifth wheel. Still more convenient and easier, especially in this small TT, to simply look at the gauge on a panel.

[@johnross6314]

Like other Trailers have, where is the standard connector ground based solar input? That way, plug in ground portable based added solar input? Running combo parallel/serial wired panels, can really utilize the capability of the inverter and MPPT controller. Thanks for again providing excellent informative video. Adding the extra batteries, and added external solar panels, for average camping planning, gives indefinite for the trip self power delivery system. And in a pinch, be ready for zombie 🧟‍♀️ apocalypse. :)

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Portable panel plug located in their docking center along the right-hand side. Zompocalypse Rated!!

[@johnross6314]

@@JoshtheRVNerd kewl!

[@tedcharp]

Great video Josh. I don’t know enough about solar to ask questions but I would get the max solar. Thanks for sharing Josh👍👍

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Frankly I'm still a novice on solar stuff. I barely BARELY speak the language still

[@prospector14]

Tom always used Binford tools….usually the Binford 2000 such and such.

[@yvettestewart8002]

Man, I love the 570 Watts of solar. It's going to be way cool when Ember starts making off-road toy haulers.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I am betting once they can get on a four-wheel platform with higher GVWR, then we'll see that happen

[@igray5311]

Congrats on your full inventory of Embers!

[@icare7151]

The max solar can be done for less in aftermarket. But must be planned in advance, correctly installed and make sure one doesn’t void warranties of the rv, other components, etc.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

It goes without saying any time you can cut out the labor costs on something you could do it for less I think

[@tomscala7672]

Thanks Josh, can't wait to see this in Tampa next week, your reviews have convinced me, this is our future. If it was up to me we would have already placed a deposit, my wife however has to sit in it first. Max solar all the way. Ready to see America towing this with the Rivian R1T truck. Second pick is the Rockwood Mini Lite 2206, those recliners. So if Ember is listening and You keep telling us they are. If not offering the recliner than hold the couch and open the area for home modification.

[@pascalj4331]

price is reasonable: "free factory labour" for list price of aftermarket kit. Probably should be standard/inventory at least. Battery location is very smart. More in good spots too. The CCC is modest but adequate for base price. There should be an ultra solar package that if need be adds a 2nd mppt controller, and serializes each side of the center vent on 2 parallel strings. Though that should be pretty cheap DIY/aftermarket.

[@benclaase8181]

Thanks Josh , that’s exactly the info I was looking for as we’re considering the Ember Travel Trailers.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

My pleasure! Enjoy!

[@Brigand231]

Binford Tools was the sponsor for Tool Time on the show Home Improvement. This is a nice offering by Ember, but whatever manufacturer offers a Max RVNerd package that gives Uncle Josh a six pack of Mountain Dew will get my business. The MaxMax package would be a case of 24 cans. The special mooch-shopping upgrade allows us to bum an additional six pack on credit, but we're still limited by only being able to chug one can at a time.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

“MaxMax” 😆

[@Brigand231]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh yeah, on the naming side of things, what about MicroMax, MiniMax, and UltraMax?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@Brigand231 SuperMiniMaxiMegaFragilicidocious!

[@Brigand231]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Ultra!

[@jeremiahbayer7916]

Love this trailer. When I get it, I am coming to you.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Ty 🙏🏻

[@dubyacwh7978]

Pricing has always been my biggest be about these kinds of videos. I understand it’s dynamic. I understand your videos last a long time but I also understand that you can state at the time of the recording and the date of the recording what the MSRP is or a given RV I would really like to see that

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I respect and understand how and why you feel that way but I can say from years of experience that I truly _cannot_ do that I can and have tried all of that previously and it ends badly. People don’t pay attention to much of it and end up accusing us of bait and switch tactics and review bombing us for their own mistakes

[@johnnyquest8710]

This solar technology stuff just sets my nerdy senses a-tingling 🤓

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Rockwood has a similar package coming with a crazy new battery from Mastervolt that's very cool. Otherwise it's NEARLY identical to this whole Ember System

[@TonyYarusso]

@@JoshtheRVNerd As far as I can tell from what’s available so far, I think that MasterVolt battery might NOT have the internal heating circuitry that the BattleBorns do. If that’s correct, pass on to Rockwood that that’s a useful feature for some of us.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@TonyYarusso I was curious about that but forgot to follow up on it. That's a seriously good point. Lithium doesn't like to chill thru the winter for sure

[@icare7151]

Ember hitch weights, already high, will noticeably increase and payload capacity decrease with their max solar package. I have encouraged Ember to consider locating lithium batteries, inverter, charger etc. further towards the inside rear of the RV to reduce hitch weight and use high strength military grade aluminum frame to significantly reduce trailer weight which increases load capacity and lowers trailer weight thus the shorter non slide out Ember trailers can be towable by 5000 lb capable vehicles, the largest off-road segment here in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. Until then, the Rockwood Geo Pro, such as 19FD floor plan, is the best option for a max solar package scenario and cautious off-road scenario. I have suggested to Rockwood to please offer the next generation of Geo Pro’s with a new true off road independent suspension system, composite floor, inside rear location for lithium batteries, enclosed and protected composite underbelly, European dual pane windows, all Military grade aluminum frame, electric disc brakes, etc. Time will tell.

[@PhiLeo7973]

EXACTLY the specs I desire too. No rot prone wood anywhere, Aluminum, AZDEL, premium rigid foams(iso- etc), upgraded AWG wiring gauges, heated- enclosed 4 season rated underbelly, Color coded wiring like Keystone & Hyperdeck(once again no wood rot in leak prone RVs), No slide floorplans for ruggedized Overland travel, off road suspension like these Embers, laminated- vacuum bonded- aluminum 6 way cage superstructure,12V compressor fridges, induction cooktops, etc,etc.It can be done. Some additional salient rant points that twerk off, tech & solar savvy consumers and don' t engender brand loyalty...1) saving literally ,probably under

[@terryhoy119]

I like the ember, I've been looking for a long time for a rig. I'll be ready in bout 3 years!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Man I’ll be really interested to see what’s in the marketplace in the next three years away stuff has been advancing. Stay tuned you never know what will show up

[@zonacrs]

Josh, regarding phrasing for the max solar package. How about something like 'The max solar package comes standard with (2) 100 amp hour Battleborn lithium Ion batteries (or 2KW). Up to (2) 100 amp hour batteries can be added in the factory location at an additional cost. 3 batteries = 300 amp hours/3KW or 4 batteries = 400 amp hours/4KW of battery storage.'

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

You keep it up and you're going to put me out of the job!

[@zonacrs]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Not even close Josh. The Jenga sticks just lined up when I tripped over a beer can. We rely on you for hands on real sh*t. I'd just be a nerd in sales with time on my hands wearing a really bad WKRP suit coat.

[@MrNickb-s500]

Thanks for the update and information Josh👍👍👍👍👍

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

You bet!

[@traeheck3614]

MPPT basically converts the extra or higher voltage to current. Basically.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

TY. I barely consider myself even a novice at this stuff and try hard to not speak out of turn. There's SO MUCH to learn when it comes to solar/electrical stuff

[@traeheck3614]

@@JoshtheRVNerd basically, everything you said about it in this video is true.

[@susanvowell5339]

We're still holding out for the two axle model that can fit more solar on top and has more overall CCC. Stay tuned, right?!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

That is correct!

[@razorwired130]

This rig doesn't need more than the 570 watts of solar. That's plenty. What it does need is more BATTERY. Four batteries is not enough. You need 6.

[@christinabaugh9915]

I would love a Ember with 2 axle!!

[@JohnDoe-vw2tz]

I emailed go power about there different systems. I was inquiring about the use of there system on a different brand of trailer and the rep was saying that to run the AC for 3-4 hours plus the on off through the night. His reply was 6-190w panels (1140w) and 1,000Ah of battery to go with that. And would still recommend taking a generator for insurance. That was for a 3 day weekend trip

[@johnlynch5221]

It's all cool stuff. Camp spot in the shade takes away a lot of the solar capability. We learn that one with our off-grid.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Oh for sure. Everybody camps a little differently. Thankfully these still have that portable panel plug in the docking center you can utilize

[@johnlynch5221]

@@JoshtheRVNerd I like to see a device that would lift and change the angle, Also the direction of the solar panel. I do have a 12v plug in my storage too. I could backchannel a second panel there.

[@MrNickb-s500]

Tim Allen's show home improvement. Tool Time segment tooks were Binford tools

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

That's the one!

[@mgysgtk8835]

Minimum max makes sense. Appreciate you putting a cost out there.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

👍🏻

[@mgysgtk8835]

@@JoshtheRVNerd appreciate your warning of max solar is very variable from sun. I have notice my 2022 max solar is set up different than all others under the bed/couch. My gauges/controls are even different. My Ember electric is different than any i saw on youtube. That said, my experience in bright, full sun, flat Illinois farm land. Surrounded by farm fields and no trees, so no shade. Weeks of drought right now. 30 minutes the air conditioning will run. But unfortunately, the batteries are drained down to low 12.1V. Batteries started at 13.6V which is the greatest reading i ever get. Anyway, 12.1V drops into the 11V shortly after air conditioning is off,the 12V fridge still on,TV on. I consider running them is a typical expectation. So Ember really needs to improve max solar if they want to mention air conditioning in the same breath as max solar. I love your videos.i only bought Ember because of you. I do regret buying one now. DO NOT TAKE THAT AS A NEGATIVE. Greatest repect for you. It just doesn’t perform as youtubers exclaim. I do believe in Embers floor, wall, and ceiling azdale build. That part is great. It is the supporting features that need to up their game.

[@zonacrs]

Thanks Josh. I'm interested to see how the new Geo Pro power package compares to this. With limited available info it appears to be dead even, perhaps a bit ahead if the listed 4KW battery is a useable figure vs. a gross figure. Interesting the Rockwood is only rolling it out on the GEO PRO and not the MINI LITE. Love the Ember, but really want a 3 burner range and oven combo.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I also thought the Geo-only nature of it was weirdly restrictive and predict it will be more widely available in a season or two

[@stitchg6060]

I agree with your request for comparison with the Geo Pro's system. I have a 20fbs with power package on order and can't hardly find useful info or comparisons

[@coreymerritt7742]

Super cool I know more and more manufacturers are starting to get into solar I personally have 2 160 watt on my trailer but I’m still thinking about going to lithium but that is still determined if I change my inverter converter

[@kevinclark6289]

It's 68 degrees and sunny in Oklahoma today. LOL

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Send some of that this way my guy

[@1coolvideo]

Josh, Keystone 3813MS has your answer to shelf above king size bed.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I think ALL the montanas do now with those handy elevated shelves!

[@johnross6314]

Also, will Ember provide the new hyper efficient heat pump HVAC? Runs on batteries (some models need no inverter loss). Can also do Direct DC at higher voltage from MPPT/DC transformer that is even more efficient power delivery. And the compressor uses new tech that draws up to 70% less per BTU.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

That's not currently available, but I think a lot of things like that are bottlenecked by production volume. Those systems are not YET made in a volume high enough to supply mass-builders I see that changing over time of course

[@MrGoodtime1301]

Thank you for the really good information!

[@mscrogan]

So getting an Ember this week. My concern is we do go boondocking and use the fridge. We have the basic package and will have 1 extra battery installed. If we don't use anything inside other than the fridge will it stay cold? Specifically I am going hunting. I will leave each morning at 4am after 20 min of using lights. then it will be in the sun all day hopefully charging the battery and keeping the fridge cold? Return each night in the dark. Grab dinner and go to bed. Will the fridge stay cold? I also have generators I am happy to run when i return at night and for a small portion of time in the morning so supplement. I just don't want all our food to go bad.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

It really depends on weather conditions. Obviously if you have tree cover above you, then you're not getting sun With good sun coverage I hear good reports but I would recommend running it thru something like a back yard stress test to see how it performs BEFORE heading out Perhaps a supplemental portable panel and/or small portable gen might be good additions to your camping routine

[@arthurleslie9669]

I’m beginning to really like this brand. Even though I didn’t like where they put the monitor behind the hatch door for the Max system. (A little modification can change that though. LOL)

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Where would you prefer to see it, Arthur?

[@arthurleslie9669]

@@JoshtheRVNerd … Inside, where it can be seen at any given time.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@arthurleslie9669 Understood certainly. Is there a location within the RV that makes more sense to you?

[@arthurleslie9669]

@@JoshtheRVNerd … We’ll, logic tells me that it makes sense to put it where there are other controls/monitors but, in reality, any readily accessible location where it can be viewed standing up would be ok. EXCEPT the bathroom, as I’ve seen in some models, which I think is totally stupid. Electronics and moisture aren’t great bedfellows.

[@AByrne]

It might be useful to charge up that max solar ember to 100%, turn on the 12V inside fridge, 120V outside fridge, and all the lights and see how long it can run. As a boondocker I don’t care much about AC. Fridge(s), lights, furnace fan, and water pump are my concerns when off grid. I bet that thing can run all those items for a long long time.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I definitely want to do some things like that this summer

[@abeali3024]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh, please do run this test. As another boondocker, I'd add my voice to this request!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@abeali3024 When we get warmer weather this year, then I'll definitely do some things like this

[@christinabaugh9915]

Loved this video!! Thank you for the information

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

My pleasure!

[@kenp9469]

How about basic max power for what to call it. Since you can still have a couple of cloudy days. I would still have the 3600 champion generator with me. So I would, most likely, only add 1 extra battery.

[@manoli.k]

The nice thing about these hybrid inverters is you can now get away with brining a smaller 2000ish watt inverter generator with you when you boon dock.

[@lanedelker9161]

Great video, Josh. I learned a couple of things I was not completely clear of. Thank you. So a question. Since the Keystone package is similar, does that mean the Keystone also has a smart inverter? That's very beneficial to any CPAP user who loses power in the middle of the night. Ask me how I know ...

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Keystone uses totally different hardware but with a comparable result

[@marcoortega8458]

I will love you to explain the weight of the RV you explain everything so perfect but we will like also the weight what type of vehicle can we haul this camper I love the camper it looks great but they're a little details that you have to be more specific like for example can you order it without the stove because there is no compass space in certain campus that you have!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Unfortunately, I’m not able to cover every single thing that you possibly could or could not do an every single RV at record. Our team is always a phone call away for those individual specific questions.

[@eurogryphon]

Everything from Tim Taylor's _Tool Time_ was the "Binford 6100 series x".

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Binford was the name I couldn’t remember. Ty :)

[@michaelburke9153]

Excellent. Please show again this model.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Here’s a look at one of their more recent releases m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGTdkJKVfLecirs And another before that m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip7TZn-tmciogqM

[@MagicMixR]

Excellent review!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

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[@CiarraB]

Thanks for sharing! Great information!!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jafostone252000]

Another great video! Thank you Sir 👍

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thx for joining us once again! :)

[@razorwired130]

Can you provide the measurements of the space under the sofa that is available for batteries? Battle Borne has the Game Changer 270 AH battery. If you could get two (or three) in there - that would be great.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

One of our team members at www.bishs.com/contact/ could certainly get that for a client

[@rvail136]

Wish they made a toy hauler, I'd buy one with the max solar in a heartbeat. Josh, do they plan to add a toy hauler to their line?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Once they have a higher CCC setup available I highly suspect that'll happen. It just feels too organic for this product segment to NOT have one

[@rvail136]

@@JoshtheRVNerd thx for the answe & Info.

[@MrDonny475]

Binford Tools, Al was the helper and Pam Anderson as the first "helper" Lisa, then Debbie Dunning as Heidi.....just helping out ya know

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

TY Donny!!

[@outdoorsman2b918]

I hope either Embers or RV dealers provide the option of Lithionic batteries. While Battleborn batteries are more popular, therefore better from the business point of view, the more informed customers will prefer Lithionics. Lithionics are UL listed and 3 times the power . Very important, with less space in a normal size travel trailer, 2 Lithionics will take less room than 4 Battleborns and gain 230AH more (630Amp hours vs 400AH) Unfortunately prices are out of control. Just a few batteries cost more than a used sedan use to cost.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Winnebago does that actually in the FLX series. Here's a sample: bit.ly/3S5ItWq

[@lustila1]

Binford Tools is the name you're looking for 😏 It's disappointing that Ember and other brands are trying to get away with PWM charge controllers when it would cost very little more to outfit the entire lineup with mppt.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I may have failed to specify but you do upgrade to an MPPT controller with the max solar package. Apologies if I missed that detail!

[@lustila1]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Hey Josh! You did mention that the max solar package comes with a MPPT controller. Sorry if I wasn't clear - I just mean that in terms of economies of scale I think the price difference would be minimal if the manufacturers just used mppt for all levels, and secondly, if a person bought a camper with the base level solar and wanted to expand, that would be one of the Forest changes they would probably have to make.

[@johnross6314]

@@lustila1 U R 100% correct. It will happen. Many of the old guard legacy RV ecosystem WILL be disrupted by the emerging competitors. The pure play design from ground up players will be the first movers, grab instant vertical growth market share.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@lustila1 Understood. TY for the clarity!

[@adventureswithgnomie6553]

Max Solar is the only way to go. You can charge devices, have lights, run a max air fan and enjoy the outdoors. It is a good thing for Arizona/Utah desert or Colorado/PNW Logging Road camping. I have a friend who put $20,000 solar power system on his Class A, he can run his AC for 16 hours straight on solar before he needs to kick on his generator. He spends winter's between Arizona, Texas or Florida tries not to use campgrounds - National Forests, BLM & Beach areas. I can see how the Max package is a good start for someone who loves to explore.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

That combo inverter/charger can also push SERIOUSLY fast recharge times as well

[@CC-gt3ro]

I know the mastervolt inverter is 22lbs and each battery is 25lbs so 122lbs for the full package plus i would say 30lbs wiring then the additional 40lbs to fill the two propane LP bottle, it probably add 200lbs plus the weight of the options maybe 100lbs i would say we must add 300lbs to the dry tongue weight which is already over 570 to 650 depending of the modèles. I mean the truck must have over 1300 lbs tongue weight to allow additional tongue equalizer and cargo and a small amount of water for the trip before to fill it fully when on the camp. Probably a f150 max tow package would do it right for the ember 171 and maybe i would take a f250 v8 for the ember 201 quad wheel. Am i right?

[@dqsimpson5331]

not be a Debbie Downer, but I have a 1000w Jacker that I just plug my 30amp to 110 adapter and it does this exact same thing and I can also use it at home for power outages. Paid only $1000 for it. Neat camper though. Keep the videos coming!!!

[@joshuamorigeau1090]

My understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong. You can't take a non max solar packaged Ember and retro / upgrade it after the fact to a max solar package. So one would need to purchase / order an Ember with the max solar package from the start to then be able to upgrade the "mini max" to the "mega max" package?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Upfits are always possible but it's certainly a vastly more involved process and their warranty wouldn't cover work they didn't do You could theoretically take any RV and add a monster solar package to it. It's a matter of the $$'s and effort you're willing to invest to accomplish the goal

[@maynardholmes8870]

Actually there is one unit on the market right now that is 100% battery power Josh you don’t sell it but it looks just like a Geo pro pretty much the same platform body style but it’s by a company called Palomino and it is 100% battery operated I think they even do some sort of hybrid toy hauler version where you open up the door and you can go straight in with everything and it’s only a little 20 footer I seen it looking at one of those other RV channels from Texas with some lady that will remain nameless as I am loyal to Haylett um er eh hem bish rv sorry gotta get use to the change over as well let me clarify the lady was the host of the channel displaying the rv 😁

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Yep Yep. The Revolve I believe. I think we'll continue to see more and more things like that. I'm actually hoping I could cover one on this channel sometime

[@Squeezmo]

using the heater/ac to make hot water using heat pump technology is also a potential energy saver.

[@Steve-yo4ld]

When will we get info on the Overland Micros??

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

As soon as I can get my hands on one Steve. There's THOUSANDS of RVs I'm trying to get recorded company-wide and there's just only many hours in the day

[@Steve-yo4ld]

@@JoshtheRVNerd I get it! I was set to buy another and Ember came out! I'm in total hold pattern!👍

[@paulhiebert1887]

Binford 2000!!! LOL I just saved your missus from the obligatory 4:00am aha moment!!! Yer welcome.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

You literally did lol

[@noobfisherman1626]

Any issues with the ones that purchase these from you guys? Me and the Wife looked at RVs and she fell in love with the Ember 17MBH or something.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I’ve never claimed any RV to be perfect the Denver has been pretty good about stepping up where it needed

[@noobfisherman1626]

@@JoshtheRVNerd wow your response time is freaking awesome LOL. Which would you prefer for first time rv buyer. This Ember or the Geo pro/ E pro??

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@noobfisherman1626 there’s no direct answer there. Depends on how you camp But.. of the two ember is a little niche in focus so the Geo is likely the more genetically appealing answer

[@stitchg6060]

Hey Josh can you do a review for the power package on the Geo pro's please?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Already recorded! I think I have that coming out next week. It’s INCREDIBLY similar to what ember is doing Rockwood really just chose a different battery setup

[@stitchg6060]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh you are the best! I have a 20 fbs with the power packaged on order. Thanks!

[@stitchg6060]

@@JoshtheRVNerd yes i think they have a 400 ah master bolt lithium

[@TonyYarusso]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Are we allowed to be antsy for that video yet? That’s one I keep refreshing the channel for. ;)

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

@@TonyYarusso bit.ly/3uALNzC

[@jimmoore7725]

Thanks for the info!

[@JeffinTD]

One of the things about lithium, storage at high ambient temperatures at 100% charge degrades their capacity permanently. That’s why they are in the insulated interior. It hits 117 in the shade here, and I’d hate to guess what the temp inside an uninsulated black box baking in the sun would be, but it would kill the useful life of even the best lithium battery.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Their max solar package puts the batteries inside the RV under the sofa

[@JeffinTD]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Yeah. I was commenting about why you wouldn’t put additional batteries out on that box on the A frame.

[@jessieyu1023]

When winterizing the Ember equipped with the max solar package do you need to remove the batteries for storage?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

The batteries have a heating unit so in theory they'll keep themselves warm BUT... that also consumes juice. If cold-storing, then I do think it's best to pull the battery. Thats a little tricky since they're really kind of buried in there but it's the most logical solution

[@vagandoeverywhere]

Binford! Isn't water and propane included in some of the weight measurements? Don't know where I read that. Base max solar! "You can also add some bass to your base and add more juice!" It seems like a pretty stout setup. I wonder if adding a 12v ac would help the batteries last longer.

[@johnross6314]

Agree on 12V “RV” heat pump. However, unlike the mini splits (which are not really designed for RV footprint, BUT their tech should/and will be made for RV foot print) the hybrid legacy design of the 12V ceiling RV systems have much lower BTUs (semi comparable price). Some as low as 2000 BTU. However, they are very efficient. Up to 80% less total running time power required. Also newer rugged higher output solar panels we use that will fit in this rod will garner 24% or more effective watts per panel (higher in less than ideal conditions) then being used on this system. Minimum extra cost. Plus add street priced ground based RV portable solar panel system to this MPPT/inverter system, huge growth in net solar power delivery that bring enough to the system for sustainable 24/7 off grid power in most conditions. With the right RV engineer, prosumers like you, a balance of manageable costs, with total new industry ecosystem disruptive design can be had. Over time, will get much better. If you look at the future, most of the legacy systems and convenience producers for RVs will be out of business . They will think they can “react” to the new competitive disruptive tech. They will be wrong. End of on the ash heap of history. Josh, if you are reading this, invite me/my team up (we are close by)to your place for innovative round table. Let’s get ahead of the industry, and serve those waiting advanced disruptive tech seeking consumers. This will be a National Bish play. I would like to transport our knowledge base from our ecosystem to yours.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I am reading this obviously. I’m not sure for your team is what I’m always open to discussion

[@johnross6314]

@@JoshtheRVNerd ☝🏻☝🏻 ??

[@stevetk8174]

I wonder if you can get a parts list and DIY from a standard solar to a MAX solar.

[@ricknielson8934]

Search will prowse you can do a lot more for way less

[@joeerau]

Is the front propane compartment able to house two 30 pound tanks instead of the 20 pound ones that come with the 191BHS?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

It'll be close. Those bottles aren't all made to a standard size. I've seen some with a taller "neck/handle" area that might not fit. Other *may* It'll be a "measure twice - install once" kind of thing

[@damonyeary]

Tim Taylor - Binford Tools!!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

That’s the one!

[@TheFiremanJoe]

Those BattleBorn batteries are half the weight of a standard lead acid deep cycle battery.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

It’s really cool how much power you get out of them compared to the size and weight of an equivalent power level of lead acid batteries

[@Michael-hg2my]

Are the outdoor controls visible inside the unit, does the slide out have a debris covers? Thanks

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

This video here is just focused on the solar functions. Here's a far more in depth set of tours on a pair of these models: → 191MDB: bit.ly/3DXLKzt → 190MDB: bit.ly/3stVZZK (no slide)

[@outdoorsman2b918]

1. Will the batteries charge while driving and hooked up to the truck? Or it will need a modification? 2. Can the max solar package be ordered with lithionic batteries?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

1.) Yes 2.) 2 BattleBorns are included with max solar. We would have to see if they would be willing to accommodate anything else

[@outdoorsman2b918]

@@JoshtheRVNerd I would be nice the Lithionics option. One battery, if I remember correctly is 305W. It will cost much less than 3 Battleborns, occupy less space, less weight

[@joshbrown284]

So the 12 volt fridge doesn't run when it's going down the road? That seems counterintuitive.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Sorry if I said something goofy to provide that impression. The fridge can absolutely run going down the road The 110 outside fridges typically do not operate in transit but an Ember’s will thanks to their standard inverter unit

[@joshbrown284]

@@JoshtheRVNerd can I see that makes more sense thanks for the clarification

[@beenieweenie1986]

For the battery ratings alot of it is dependent on the discharge condition. Most batteries are rated based on how much power they supply on a 8-10 hour discharge. Most batteries you can look up their discharge curves from the manufacturer and see how long they will last at a given load which you can just add up all the stuff you are running and figure out how much you need. FOr SOlar panels a good rule of thumb is you will get about 4 hours of full power charge out of them per day. Obviously you will get more in the desert and less in a forest, but you can look up expected sunlight from a farmers almanac most places

[@susantaylor8554]

Can you use those batteries be us close someone that has pace maker and defibrillator .....??? This real question because lot older people have one or both these

[@aguyandhiscomputer]

3:25 I assume that's a table mount on the front of the sofa? Where'd it go on the max solar package?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

I was jumping between two different models The 191MDB doesn't have a front table mount The 190MDB does It wasn't really clear in the video how I was hoping around and the consistency in the product makes it even less clear

[@aguyandhiscomputer]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Read ya loud and clear. Feels more like a car option package thing than a trailer.

[@TonyYarusso]

How much change in hitch weight is there with this package? Now that there's actually one on the lot I assume you have real sticker numbers. :)

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Apologies - MFGs do not provide us hitch weights by unit nor are we able to measure that individually here

[@TonyYarusso]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Bah, I thought they did, oh well. Maybe some scales should be part of the investments possible from the bigger Bish umbrella?

[@kevinbrownrigg]

Are all outlets tied to the 3000W inverter? Thanks!

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Yep yep

[@richardbalding1101]

Yeap love the idea with a generator to fill up the batteries when the sun isn't out.

[@kristapritz4862]

Video request: Top campers built with factory solar packages that have the capability to run the campers basic functions without worry. ( boondockers in mind) Pretty please 🙏. 🙂

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Hmm.. solid idea. This summer I plan to have a whole top 5 series. That could be a good one

[@bkanegson]

Does the Ember have ports to plug in additional outboard panels?

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

They have a roof plug for the factory panels and a plug for portable panels in their docking center

[@bkanegson]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Cool. With added batteries (eg 4 BB), 3K inverter and added outboard panels, one can do a lot. Also park in shade and still get solar power. Thank you.

[@kathyadams3366]

Great explanation. Thank you

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Our pleasure, Kathy!

[@tremjar1305]

add the other 2 batteries, portable solar panels, and standard generator.... or could even buy another solar generator like jackery, plug the 110 shore power option in to that. 4 more batteries in cargo lol. now just need a permanent water supply, maybe rain collection strait into tank hehe. great trailer line, love these..... i would be able to run a full out 2000 watt gaming system with quad monitors covering the wall while running the air conditioner, cookies in the oven while heating up last nights pizza in the microwave, coffee brewing for my bailys and coffee to have with cookies later, as my buddy recharges his trailer power system for the night off of my trailer. ... that is the power system we need to have put in..... might be easier to just install a small submarine class nuclear reactor, not sure.... could always find out. as long as dont have to put batteries in the bed or the beer fridge should be ok.... oh and probably should not put a battery bank in the shower either.... but i love seeing more power on trailers and rv...this is excellent power system as it is.....cant do much better in this size unit these days at all, would like to see no shore power or generator required except for most extreme cloud cover at all. where even 25% charge is good enough to stay there a week or more, rain 4 days strait and cold outside, run heat and stay in watching tv playing electonics making cookies, cooking dinner, no problem. would not need on board generators at all, since any generator can plug in to shore power jacks anyway at moochdock level, for those who really need one after all that, some have 30 or even 50 amp output also without adapters or controllers required...... could you imagine a 5th wheel built to this kind of off road ability and durability this brand is for those monster 6 wheel drive hemi powered beasts?.. a toy hauler that can take your toys up the trail on its own, go passing a jeep towing a 5th wheel lol.

[@robertwebb539]

Did anyone else get a headache from this post! 🤣🤣🤣 JK

[@joeerau]

@@robertwebb539 I read it to the second line and knew where it was going, so I just skipped it.

[@tremjar1305]

@@robertwebb539 eh sorry a bit long, i am usually bored when write here, more bs humor in that one than anything, but valid points regardless, power power power!!!! beavis and butthead... heheh fire fire fire. gotta admit the visual of 6 batteries frying your ass in the shower since you ran out of places to put them 26 batteries ago, is kinda funny. in all the crap comments i do put valid points... just so happens all this one needs is power power power.... lol.

[@Michael-hg2my]

When will you be showing different Ember models.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Just linked you the two that have been released so far. I hope to get my hands on the rest shortly after they roll out!

[@jaykelley3707]

Binford Tools (from a fellow squirrel)

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Thx Jay :)

[@mackattack8627]

most important whats the max solar input can we plug in 2400 watts of solar at least with that 3000 watt converter this RV killed them All its a real tiny home solid and beautiful work of art

[@pascalj4331]

that's not 31 weeks of power remaining. It is 31w. Usually this is a net draw/charging number. But it is not obvious on this display whether it is charging or drawing.

[@georgevenckus]

I just would love all the displays to be inside rather than in the pass through compartments

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Same. Ty

[@josephgaribaysr4970]

2 batteries is a baby max, 4 is a mama max, 6 is a daddy max, 8 is a big papa max. Lol

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Big papa 😆

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

There Bears Solar Solutions

[@richardkoch8752]

Something that could help soften the price of the solar package "In December 2020, Congress passed an extension of the ITC, which provides a 26% tax credit for systems installed in 2020-2022, and 22% for systems installed in 2023. (Systems installed before December 31, 2019 were eligible for a 30% tax credit.) The tax credit expires starting in 2024 unless Congress renews it" RV's are eligible also. Of course check with your tax person to see how this will benefit you on your tax bottom line.

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

THAT is a cool bit of info there! TY!

[@richardkoch8752]

@@JoshtheRVNerd Includes any labor involved for installation....win, win, win!

[@maynardholmes8870]

I don’t know enough about solar I’m actually having some put on my own roof in my house can you walk on those things at least the RV versions of them

[@JoshtheRVNerd]

Allegedly you can but man I never would

[@maynardholmes8870]

@@JoshtheRVNerd 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤️