Off the shelf, bolt on, budget Precision Rifle

[@andreytodorov843]

Did exactly the same, but 6.5 creedmoor. Started shooting because of you, and now I’m addicted. It’s a good addiction though. Everything I know is from you, and keep learning. Thank you very much. Please keep doing what you doing, and be safe. 😊

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Andrew, Cheers man, all the best.

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Try neck turning. I'll sit beside you and watch you cry! Heh heh heh...

[@PyroChimp75]

Fantastic, would love to see more budget/entry level precision build videos. Well done Mark!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@peterrobins3708]

Echo that! Also like to see the usual Mark & Sam top shelf load development and then compare that with...(brace yourselves) with standard equivilent factory ammunition & factory match grade ammunition. I'm guessing the M&S developed loads would streak ahead but for those going budget route, they might go budget/standard factory ammunition...then creep to match grade & then creep again to reloading and testing loads. Its a matter of getting the best we can afford until we can creep up to the next level. Most of us start with Black & Gold scopes & regret it or make do until we creep into the next level. Love watching these project rifles and seeing how far Mark & Sam can push it's limits

[@paulsimmons5726]

Mark, I’m always impressed by your logic and commitment to consistency. I’ve noticed your rigs always seem to be the same, different calibers, but basically all the same components. I understand your thinking towards that end and your results speak for themselves. I see a number of people on my range who own a couple of very nice precision rifles but every rifle is set up differently. The problem with this is that they have to “learn” many shooting positions because of their rig variations. So much time, effort, and money spent to then have to fight their own muscle memory. Anyways, I appreciate your comment about your ability to interchange parts so that your connection with the rifle remains the same; that matters more than many realize! Great video, as always! Take care and stay well! Cheers!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Paul, glad you liked man, Cheers

[@1Dukecronic]

best youtuber there is out there, straight shooter and keeping it real.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Duke, Cheers Man

[@michaelogden5093]

These are always the most interesting type of content.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Mike, thanks man

[@roseybut]

I agree with you about the Howa barrelled actions. I built my own 6.5 Creedmoor using one in a MDT chassis and butstock. It shoots very well. I am thinking of doing the same with a 6mm Creedmoor, after watching this I definitely will. Thank you both for the inspiration, information and entertainment.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome. Thanks Lance

[@pahunter9415]

I have had a howa 1500 24 bull for about 10 years now in a hs precision stock. I have loved it and taken it out to 700 yds with m118lr ammo.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers Man

[@charlesmckinley29]

Thanks Mark and Sam!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Charles

[@shutthegate8232]

Thanks Mark. Great expanding the brackets on the various bits of kit added to it throughout. Cheers.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@PopShot76]

I have the same set up, and it has become my favorite mid range set up. The 6mm doesn't get enough love in my opinion. Great video!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@googleeyeseyes4033]

Fantastic video and the timing couldn’t be better! More great material from this great channel. Thanks and cheers.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thank you

[@michaeljohnson6019]

I've cut out my own a little aluminum piece raising the butt pad about a month ago. Did the same thing. I like it. Thank you.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers

[@DawesyD]

I just set up about 2 months ago a new Howa 1500 .243 for a hunting gun and dropped it in an MDT chassis that’s very similar to your chassis. Not sure how ‘precise’ it is but it’s been working for me for what I use it for.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, great to here, Cheers man

[@darrinwillis8564]

Awesome video, Mark. Alway love checking in!!!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Darrin

[@lzxray6781]

Excellent video Mark! The 6mm CM is a great round. Enjoyed listening and watching how you made the modifications to make it more precise.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@blantant]

Great idea with the aluminum riser. Great stuff

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@dylanschulz2404]

Those Howa barrels are really good! I think many folks that unscrew the stock Howa barrel and put something else on are downgrading! Nice rifle and great tips as usual. I started raising up my scopes and like the shooting position much better.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers Man

[@SikaHunter]

Great stuff as usual, beats watching telly 😎👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers Brendan, thanks man

[@Pilottoproperties]

Always educational and keeps me engaged the entire time! Thanks for the content!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@mhughes1160]

You made my day I’m just starting getting into shooting I bought a Howa 1500 in 6.5 creedmoor in the KRG chassis I went with the Arken 5-25x56 can’t wait to try it out Thanks for another great video

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@raystephens2078]

Thanks for this informative video, Mark. The way you discussed the engineering leads me to think that the same principles can/ should also be applied to any rifle not just long range setups. 👍🏼

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Ray

[@skyeshore5704]

Great video! Looks like you guys had fun with this one. Very cool.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@tca375]

Great video.Again you have shown what can be done even if on a budget.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Jay, Cheers

[@richc767]

Great build.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@brentfrank7012]

Very nice, thank you for sharing your budget project. Love seeing what you do to get out to distance.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Brent, thanks man

[@davidhandyman7571]

I do like the video. Thanks, Mark.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Dave. Cheers man

[@jasonhastings5538]

Sweet rig!!! Great video Mark!!!!👍👍👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Jason, Cheers

[@1.forestrunner]

Thanks Mark, appreciate the great information!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks John

[@ArkansasBadBoy]

This very video is what got me thinking about a 6mm Creedmoor build. I gave up on waiting for the Howa heavy barrelled action to come back in stock (can only be obtained through Brownell's here in the states) so I ordered the Aero Precision 6mm Creedmoor they offer with the heavy stainless steel barrel, sitting in the KRG Bravo stock. The timing was good as that bag rider came in the other day and I was very delighted to bolt something on made by you and Sam. Looking forward to that base when it arrives 😊

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, great to hear Cheers Will thank you

[@naylorinnovationsllc7483]

Love the Howa 1500, very good actions and priced right.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Agreed, Cheers

[@willsy3796]

Hi Mark (and Sam) - this looks awesome! Really inspiring idea! Can't wait to see you shoot with it more. All the best, John

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Willsy

[@richardphelan8414]

Always interesting and informative Mark I took notes this time and archived this Video Thank you

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Richard, Cheers

[@MrTacklebury]

Hehe, I just built a 6.5 Grendel using a Howa action and mounted it on a Boyd's At-One stock and put a 20 moa solid mount on it from EGW and a 4-16 x 44mm scope. I watched for deals and combined it was $775.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@michaelreed1380]

Very interesting video, thanks guys. Cheers!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Mike

[@justanothernoobe]

Always very informative, entertaining and definitely "very much good money for value" 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@Healthliving1967]

Ive got the weatherby vanguard. 308 in a oryx chassis with a vortex venom 5x25x56 scope on it and it is a excellent rifle,hitting 500 yard targets no problem and would probably go 800 if i wanted to. Oversized MDT bolt knob and a 10 round magazine. All up ive spent approximately $2000,00 and its as good as some $4000,00 rifles i see at the range.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers

[@slightenigma]

Fantastic idea!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@jasyamaha]

Awesome Thanks Mark

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@PassionforRifles]

Nice set up Mark. Love the upgrades you did 👌🏻

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@PassionforRifles]

@@markandsamafterwork 🤝🏻🇫🇮🤝🏻

[@tlloyd9325]

Thank you Mark for passing years long of experience to us. I’m a “senior” myself but truly appreciate these videos. Never too old to learn. A simple question, what do you think of the Tikkas? I have really come to enjoy the T3. The smoothness of the bolt, adjustable trigger, accuracy out of the box, and the bedding they use has been good for me.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes good off the shelf rifles, not always the best if looking to bolt on upgrades, Cheers

[@geoffmorsby4266]

Re: Sightron, nice scopes but the Australian agent (Herron) don’t support warranty or repairs and have zero customer support. I have a 10-50X60 S111 that had an erector tube failure. The service from the importer is so poor that even after good correspondence with Sightron USA the only way I am able to effect a repair is to post the scope to the New Zealand agent (at my cost) who the forwards the scope to the US for repair. Due to US law a private individual cannot send a scope direct to the US, it has to go through an agent, the Australian agent will not do anything for the customer, you’re on your own. My advice is to buy Leupold, the service provided by NIOA is second to none and repairs are carried out in Australia (mine at no cost for a 30 year old scope). Sightron are a nice scope but be prepared to bin a 2K scope if it fails or go via a dealer in another country, unfortunately typical of too many Australian businesses.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Geoff

[@ianstrachan9410]

Like this channel also didn't know it was here actually like the BUDGET build not over the top expensive 👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Ian

[@tonydique4554]

Great video, always learn something. Great package.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Tony, Cheers

[@Muschka01]

Been slowly doing this with a Tikka action as I can afford it. Thank you for sharing.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Mark

[@peteengard9966]

Nice rig. Can't argue with the results. Would love to see how you bed your actions and what you use for the bedding.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Not bedded, Cheers

[@DominicZelenak]

The Howa receivers and barrels are quality components. Dont be skeptical because of the price. My Weatherby has one. Very sturdy receiver and accurate barrel.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Agreed, Cheers Dom

[@Tikka300-]

Great video mate

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@davidakes8892]

Great video Sir ! Thank u so much!!!!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Dave, thanks

[@iheartwarheads]

I tried getting into PRS because I thought it'd be cheaper. I figured I'd be shooting less ammo therefore it'd cost less. Little did I know most of these setups have a scope that costs several thousand dollars.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@payres48]

Thanks again Mark, have only just commented on a previous video on the KRG chassis and now you've released another one! Nice modification on the butt stock. I have seen on their website that KRG actually do offer an adjustable option.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes, they have other options too, all cost a little more, Cheers

[@necavenue]

KRG has a tool-less LOP option for the buttpad that also provides pad height/cant adjustment, but it costs almost as much as the Bravo chassis. They also offer a much lower cost option for just cant/height.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@tomburbridge1114]

Great show kids! I love the content!! I will get my rear bag thingy adjuster ordered when I get back from shooting next week.I may also try a bag rider i get the theory.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers

[@tomburbridge1114]

@@markandsamafterwork Any interest in flying to Iowa USA and showing me how to do it. I can get 1300 yds here but that's about it! Sam could bring her 22-250 and show me a thing or two!

[@markandsamafterwork]

🤣🍻

[@michaelthrelkeld212]

KRG does make an adjustable buttpad for the Bravo Stock. It will do exactly what the piece you made does and will also cant if needed.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@peterrobins3708]

I often watch your shooting & find I put the mouse cursor point on the top of your muzzle brake to see how muchmuzzle flip there is (or rather isn't) & more often than not get to see the barrel stay pretty close to that bore axis line and watch the recoil go straigh back in a fairly straight line. Some calibres straight than others but it's very cool to watch that. Great work...maybe there's no such thing as accuracy... its really just trying to get far more precise consistency Winning

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Pete, thanks

[@jsharp1776]

Nice shooting!👌🏻 Cheers! 😎

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@MinhVu-in9iz]

I used the Howa action for my bult, but used the MDT XRS chassis, much better than the bravo stock!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@NiteWorXTV]

The MDT XRS would also be a great chassis to build on

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lots of choices out there, Cheers

[@699hazard]

Great video Mark! That's a nice build, do you need much engineering experience to assemble your own rifle?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, and if not done before, and the fact you are asking, you should get someone that has experience to go through the first time round, Cheers

[@DawesyD]

Good morning guys. I just got home from a night up your way. Northam kicked off so we got sent up so spent the night up there with the locals 😂

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Dawesy, sounds like fun or maybe not, lol, Cheers man, all the best

[@slightenigma]

I would of started with a Savage, because barrel swapping is easy. I agree HOWA rifled actions are a good value.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@lupooutdoors]

Could you by chance put links to all the parts? where to get the barrel, stock, the adjustable rale, etc... I was looking for the adjustable Picatinny rale and can't find one. But an overall parts list for a build would be epic! Great channel! I plan on building a Precision Rifle part by part on my channel and then using it for competition. I am just getting into long-range shooting and have become obsessed with this. I was a competition sporting clay shooter, and now this has grabbed me. Thanks so much for your work, I very much enjoy your videos!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Lupo. Cheers

[@collinmckamy8076]

My most accurate rifle is a howa 6.5cm in an mdt chassis. Love it. It'll shoot norma 143 match sub half moa. And I have a sightron siii 8-32x56 that I love.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers Colin

[@philippefrater2000]

That's a vey nice build! 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🖖🏻

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Phillippe, Cheers

[@NiteWorXTV]

I've had 0 luck with 3 Howa barrelled actions I've had, i put an IBI barrel on them now and they shoot lights out all day

[@markandsamafterwork]

Not something I have ever had issues with, you much just be lucky, lol, Cheers

[@stanger11420]

Well Done. This vid's info is valuable. Plus, the way you Aussies pronounce Aluminium makes me laugh, too.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@kenno030]

Great vid Mark and Sam. I was considering going the same way in 6.5CM after watching a similar build you have done in the past with a 22-250. Thoughts on GRS stocks or MDT chassis

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Kenno. GRS are more hunting orientated. Cheers

[@judodavid1]

Nice

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@jamesdean8809]

Clay shooters use a Jones adjustable butt plate that works great on a rifle

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@kaptnblaubaer]

Absolutely true what you say about the HOWAs, I shoot one in .223 (Mini Action). With 75gn Hornadys ansolute precise. Lets see what she does on thursday at the German Championship 😄

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome Man, Cheers

[@glennllewellyn7369]

I've dropped a comment so you can let us know how you went!

[@kaptnblaubaer]

@@glennllewellyn7369 Ok, will do

[@kaptnblaubaer]

@@glennllewellyn7369 Ok, now I've got the results. Pistol 9mm Disziplin: K3 I finished 13th The K 3 is an exercise with a limited shooting time on folding targets as well target rings. Weapons pistol, revolver with open sights or red dot sights (dot). No speed loaders or only 1 magazine allowed 16 shots on folding drop targets 10 on ring target

[@kaptnblaubaer]

Scoped rifle .223, 300M, I finished 8th. I could have done better, but my ammunition that grouped good (.344 MOA) on 100M, did shoot really bad on 300M (2.16 MOA) 20 shots, in prone position.

[@RabbitSlayer48]

I got a tikka with a 6mm creed bartlein on it in a bravo. Shoots factory hornady match .5 moa consistently. I want to build A twin in .20 practical for the dog town.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@СергейТиунчик]

Да, толково изложен материал. Спасибо!

[@markandsamafterwork]

cheers Man

[@philewing5100]

I like Savage

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@rufturbo997]

Mark, can you share some info on the load, besides bullet, you are using. Thanks.

[@markandsamafterwork]

AR2209 powder, Lapua brass, Fed GM LR primers, 40 thou jump, but I do not share powder weights, one that we are safety first, sorry, Cheers

[@rufturbo997]

@@markandsamafterwork AR2209 was really what I was after. That powder is equivalent to what I use...H4350. Thanks.

[@craigmandall9420]

I'm very interested to see where this goes because I've already got a howa bravo in 6 creed. I put a delta javelin scope on it though

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, Cheers

[@HomesteadsnGear]

How do you feel about tHe 6.8 western? are you GoinG to do a rifle CHambered in tHe CartridGe?

[@markandsamafterwork]

No plans to, Cheers

[@travishimself1973]

Cool vid. I've been looking for the 6cm barreled action in 26" from howa for a few years now. Where did you track one of those down?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@planeiron241]

Great Vid 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🍺🍺🍺🍺

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@DRay-or4tc]

Really enjoyable Vid, great finished product. And yeah, the Howa barreled actions are very high quality for cost

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@davidsutherland4151]

Just wondering what sort of rings and mounts and scope you used?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Explained in the video, Cheers

[@hunterkz2992]

And what about price for all?...

[@markandsamafterwork]

Not something we try to show, different pricing all over, look up in your area, all very reasonable, Cheers

[@Odysseuss.]

Nice work there sighs "if only"....

[@markandsamafterwork]

lol, Cheers

[@johnseropyan]

Are aware of any company that makes an aftermarket stock/chassis for a Steyr ProHunter? Can’t find anything here in states. Thx

[@markandsamafterwork]

Not something we've looked for

[@slatsgrobneck7515]

Heh Mark, What metal are you using to raise the butt pad? Are you saying "aluminum"? Maybe it is your accent or maybe you are naming an alloy of some type? I really want to give it a go and raise my butt pad to line up my collar bone correctly> Thanks for doing this video!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Any metal will do, I used Aluminum flat bar, Cheers

[@slatsgrobneck7515]

@@markandsamafterwork Much appreciated. Working on my version and looking forward to having my collar bone aligned directly behind the 'push'. Thanks!

[@borisj4054]

I think with what can buy now I would not consider buying a Surgeon Scalpel again.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, yep, Cheers

[@lovetoflylovetofly3843]

That would definitely skin a cat!😅

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, yep, Cheers man

[@jimpalmer4916]

The scope is a mile above the gun, and it has to because of that stock. I'd prefer to have a system that puts the scope as close as possible to the barrel. I'm from the old school of my Marines and would rather not do that. Semper Fi.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Scope height kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4mwfaylh82ihbM

[@tommcqueen3145]

🙂👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Tom

[@WesternReloader]

First comment? Sweet! From So Cal

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@marw1920]

First, let us apologize if you censor us as "political" becouse we're not. Our honest intent is to share critical thought in evaluation of a brand with systemic customer service issues. We really like the Howa action, but unfortunately Howa has been less than disingenuous with inventory and communication. Our loosely formed 'competition' group came together in effort to find the elusive barrel action by contacting Howa USA directly when our local 'Brownells' source dried up completely. In particular the Howa 1500 heavy barrel action in any caliber was MIA in USA market for over 2 years with no help offered from Howa post pandemic. We made contact with Howa's territory manager several times who insisted inventory was 'out there' but couldn't or wouldn't provide adequate customer service to find a resource for accomodation. Our community counts on our 'precision builds' in competition and for reliable hunting. As ELR enthusiasts we can't recommend the Howa brand to our precision build friends as result of thier systemic customer service problems. Your experience may differ, but quality customer service is a significant part in precision 'actions' and off-the-rack builds loyal to their brands. When those brands snub and ignore community with lack of customer service, it becomes a deal breaker. Just our opinion ... but Howa made a poor corporate decision to abandon it's loyal 'precision' customer base.

[@marw1920]

Great video Mark & Sam. Our community watches with enthusiasm. We love the adjustable bag riders and use them in many competitions.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well, that is sad to hear, from my end I have no links to HOWA or the Australian Distributor, but apart for limited supply of everything and that includes al makes of rifles, I have seen good service over here, but that is just me. But a couple of points to yours, Firstly you are talking about your distributor (USA) not HOWA Japan, Secondly, yes I have seen many poor decisions made over very troubling times caused through the pandemic, in many industries, I would suggest to let the dust settle, not saying they didn't do the wrong thing then, but as just a consumer, dealing with just the sales and service side of things gives little to no idea of what else is happening, ie don't throw the baby out with the bath water, many years of good service has stood them well before, so a decent chance they will return to that, but fully understand you position, Cheers

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thank you Guys, glad you like the bases too, awesome, Cheers and all our best to everybody

[@rufturbo997]

My experience with Howa (Legacy) customer service has been very positive. Having just checked Brownell's available stock of Howa barreled actions, I stopped counting after 8 different configurations. I have 3 Howa 1500 rifles and really think they extremely good.

[@mandagrath]

I have no customer service experience but I have worked on a couple Howas. They are made very well. Good materials and features. Simple and effective.

[@kuronyan3006Ackley]

😄👏✌️👍‼️

[@markandsamafterwork]

👍👍

[@brianbonney2895]

I bought a Howa 1500 in 308 I will never own another mIne must have been made on Monday. CBTO 2.304 to jam that puts COL to jam at 2.920 With factory ammo this is about a two-inch at 100 yards it shoots pretty good with the projectile about 10 thousands off the lands which makes the magazine useless.

[@markandsamafterwork]

So good barreled action for well with set up target rounds, but not suited for stock and magazine, I would generally say the HOWA distributor furniture options are less than awesome also, so yes I hear you, and as said, I only use there barreled actions, and in fact, generally only single feed too, lol, Cheers

[@sbentley1140]

Great video Mark, I'm trying to find one of your videos with what app you use on your iPhone to calculate ballistic ce, distances etc.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Strelok Pro