Officers in Dog Tents?

[@crapphone7744]

An officer living in the same conditions as the men he is he is commanding is called leadership.

[@JackTalyorD]

But is it . The British officer despite there men as little more than trash but had some of the most well disciplined troops in the world. Battle of Waterloo saw several companies stand in square under heavy artillery fire and several changes of cavalry. But 50 years earlier in India English troops one several victory of much larger forces that broke and ran in the face of there advanced. A more Morden equivalent is the munder of office during the Korean and Vietnam war. Living in the same condition may give you favour with them but will it gain there respect...... Just thinking about it. Fear or love which will be more effective

[@bavarianpotato]

​@@JackTalyorDenglish officers had a very particular tradition of aristocratic spirit. They were to be admired and respected, not loved or feared. While they were awarded privileges, as are all officers everywhere, they were also expected to carry themselves in a very particular manner. British officers also put themselves at greaat risk of life. During WW1, about 15% of british troops in the field perished. For officers, it was 25%.

[@Ashtonloollife]

@@JackTalyorDIf the question is fear or love, I think you miss the point. The idea is more about respect and care. An officer who has gone through and or is willing to go through the same struggles as their enlisted garner much respect and show they care about their troops. It is true that a person may follow orders out of fear, but without respect and loyalty, will falter. The officers with loyalty, will have the soldiers ready to give their lives without question. There is a saying in the marine corps, “officers eat last.” I feel you should consider this when asking the question about what effective leadership is.

[@josephgonzales4802]

Unfortunately with the older fellows,higher up in the food chain, with their ailments in my reenactment unit, this is not going to happen. 🤔

[@Thorfinn_Son_Of_Thors]

Same with the German unit I reenacted with, they'd always get the biggest tent.

[@davisjacobs5748]

Get into a better unit then

[@josephgonzales4802]

Nah, I like the fellas in my unit.😏

[@ufc990]

​@@davisjacobs5748 Hey it's 2024, we let women war now too.

[@tomhenry897]

Some campaigns you get to far from your supply wagons Or they were destroyed or unavailable for some reason

[@MikeD56034]

i Portray the 79th NYSM and we have plenty of reference of officers using dogs and shelter tents the greater majority of the war. since they were constantly on the move and often ahead of supplys

[@koledelzer323]

The wall tents were used for planning and such no one slept in them but they definitely had them. Where else can the officers meet and devise plans and keep any documents dry.

[@bobmcbob49]

Unless they were planning around the clock, they probably slept in them. That's still how it works today if that's the best that's available because there's no reason not to.

[@richardwarnock2789]

Actually it was a Targetted Reason 🎯

[@greghawkins6154]

For all of its technological advancements, as of 1980, when I was in the army, they still used canvas shelter halves. 🙄

[@christophersmith8316]

Hard to carry a larger tent on one man's back

[@whbrown1862]

There is a great photograph of a field hospital after the Battle of Antietam showing the wounded men under shelter halves with a medical officer of the 19th Indiana (I believe) standing next to the tents.

[@WoodyDuncan]

Great video, love it thanks.

[@vanringo]

Often times they bivouaced with what they had due to the army moving faster than what the quartermaster corps could get the regimental/division/corps tents and properties moved up. So they would sleep u der whatever they could forage or get from other units.

[@NMranchhand]

Great information.

[@AC-mw3tz]

As far as I know, one wall tent for the colonel, one tent for each CO, and one tent for every 2 NCOs.

[@sqike001ton]

On paper a company grade officer so captain and above was allowed 2 shelter 1/2 any pfficer below was meant to share up to a Colonel who would have access to three of the big wall tents one he could use for himself tho not all did

[@garrett9769]

YES! YES! I can't recal the book's name but I've also read a Union Infantry Captain's account in Louisiana about sleeping under a shelter half, or no tent if they outmarched the wagons (and it HAPPENED) .

[@alabamatechwriter6959]

WHAT IS APPROPRIATE ? : Tactically, the question is an issue of expediency. A shelter half is easier for one man to carry while a wall or Sibley tent requires a wagon. Even one half of the shelter still provides shelter. If your job is to fight, then remaining light allows you to lean forward toward the enemy, while the encumbrance of a large supply train will cause you to be slower and worry about protecting its large number of wagons and feeding its horses. If your job is to chase and make close contact with the enemy, then maybe even shelter halves are too cumbersome. It depends on your mission, time of year, location, eventual access to supply wagons, distance travelled, and whatever your brigade and regimental commanders desire. I would think large tents were probably used by militia units in the beginning, but were eventually jettisoned as units learned to use shorter supply trains on shared supply routes. I also think units in actual combat probably travelled relatively shorter and slower in the first years, as they encountered southern forces, but probably longer and faster as the war wound down and the south disintegrated. While bivouac areas no doubt had well-organized company areas in perfect lines, probably no one did that on the road in actual pursuit. On the other hand, large moving bodies probably did pitch tents as a practical exercise in hygiene and organization. When not in immediate danger of combat, brigade and regimental bivouac areas would have been assigned wherever large open areas were available. I would think the issue of tents might be cleared up by starting with general orders of the adjutant general and working your way downward through all subordinate commands to your specific regiment. EVERYTHING was accomplished by orders and records, so tentage was very likely an issue covered at some point. But along with tentage came their reasons for use and the many elements of a proper bivouac. Contemporary photos will offer clues about how to approach these practical issues for serious practitioners of reenacting. I would think the official records might offer some information, but so might general orders and annual reports (which can nearly all be found online for at least the general staff level) and official manuals and handbooks. State laws and state adjutants-general might also provide insight. Each state will be different. Another source may be diaries and letters (like those presented here), and even regimental histories. If you just want to have fun, then digging deeply into this issue is probably too much to ask. However, if you command a unit or are in charge of a campaign, then this issue is probably relevant. The public will probably not know or care about the question, but it is one more step toward "reenacting"-and therefore experiencing-historic actions practiced in the past. Privates pitched tents while generals planned and assigned bivouac areas, so reenactors should experience these actions, too. Therefore, while this question is a good one, maybe it should be approached from an authentic level of command and be answered in the form of a written general order or regimental order instead of being a matter of taste and expedience for company-level organizations. If authenticity is important, then seek (or create) guidance from your higher headquarters that can be disseminated down the chain of command. Post it if you have something to post it on. Give your Privates as much to gripe about as Privates undoubtedly griped about between 1861 and 1866. There is no Enlisted pleasure as delicious to experience as the order to move a tent 2-inches in one direction to align with the tent beside you-after you have just finished erecting your tent. I think EVERY Private should be so blessed with a Sergeant or Corporal who cares deeply about these matters and Officers who boast to each other about how straight their tents are aligned. These little aggravating experiences can be authentically reenacted with any kind of tent, including shelter halves. So, what is appropriate : shelter halves or wall tents? An authentic answer will require a balance of research, authenticity, and fun because water is not the only thing that runs down hill.

[@christophersmith8316]

the men each carried a "shelter half" which is half of a pup tent. If you had more than 2, you could make a larger tent.

[@SuperFunkmachine]

There's a great advantage to get your own privet space when camping.

[@ryanreay4167]

But I can't hide my sleeping bag and cooler in a shelter half.....

[@mimief7969]

You learn to sleep anywhere, ngl. Your body gets so crusty in the field, you become innured to it. But i understand in a reenactment if you want more comfort.

[@KYPopskull]

My farb senses are tingling. Where am I supposed to hide my cooler?

[@danielkohli1542]

Were the company grade officers not issued a whole shelter tent?

[@christopherweber9464]

I almost lost my sergeant stripes for bringing an A-frame to an event ... 😂

[@JosephAllen-d2e]

One example does not a standard make.

[@K3VIN21]

Love enthusiasm😂

[@danielgradinaru7061]

Only officers would make a big deal about sleeping in tents. “If your men sleep outside, then you sleep outside” I hate how officers get preferential treatment compared to enlisted.

[@roundhousekek3536]

Man these videos are so informative but the music is just so juxtaposed to the civil war theme

[@marvwatkins7029]

The 1st pup tents?

[@christophersmith8316]

they got the name pup tent because the men thought 2 men under 2 shelter halves looked like dogs in a dog house.

[@Critter145]

Make a the Roman Army all the more impressive.

[@glenn6583]

And you should be happy with your half tent😊

[@Dingopk]

Is this Paul Rudds brother?

[@robertdees2150]

I can build a tent and can modify it in a high wind situation provided i have permission to dig the ground.

[@sciteachgame]

Why stand out to enemy spies?

[@TofiMangos]

Shi ion no

[@JamesKite-p4h]

No shit

[@joeldixon7981]

Love the slave labor for the union. Because they were fighting to eraticate it. But we all know the war was fought for states righys and the states lost to the beast of revelation.

[@redclayscholar620]

The state's rights to what?

[@billyoung7352]

😅

[@STho205]

​@@redclayscholar620 to self regulation on most civil and criminal matters, excepting those granted to the Fed or reserved to The People....as the State ratified US Constitution says. Bonds shall not be skipped by running to another state (Article 1) The Fed can't make regionally advantageous or disadvantageous policy in trade, tax or regulatory affairs. (Also Article 1). One could assume that NH exercised its States Rights by abolishing slavery early...as it existed in all 12 others of the Union in the 1780s. Of course in the 1770s NH only had less than a dozen bonded slaves on any census or schedule. Wisely ending the practice before it really started there Subsequent states one by one also exercised their states rights in eliminating or grandfathering the practice within their state boundaries. Once on a majority of states, the insistence was that states do not have rights on this question. This is a common flip flop of hypocracy in game theory going from minority to majority. Personally, I wish we had eliminated the practice before the Dutch offloaded their cargo in America...or at least in 1807 when the Constitution said Congress could take up the matter...and did end the Transatlantic legal trade.

[@christophersmith8316]

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