[Official] UCF Richard Quinn Misleads Capstone Students Test Scam Cheating

[@SuperMarlinsfan]

“I’ve also been in contact with the President of the United States, and we are going to send a nuke to the testing center”

[@rs1023]

I was kinda surprised that little dweeb didn't tell them he was secretly employed by the CIA and that the CIA knew who cheated and was on their way to take them out. I'll bet that little POS has told some real whoppers in his day.

[@thomascollier4421]

😂😂

[@Enkarashaddam]

"NONE of you are expected to survive"

[@marcusarelius]

I think we're looking at a tenured, 20+ year professor, who is blaming his increased laziness year over year on the students. He's obviously reusing material over and over again, thus making his job more and more routine and effortless. I've personally had professors who were just going through the motions, giving grades that followed what the Academia defined as normal. If you are business professor in a 4 year college institution, it should be mandatory that every 3 years professors rotate to teach new business subjects, refresh all textbooks, and grade the professors themselves.

[@jamesgentry13]

Mark Smith because students are never lazy

[@ildisiri]

@@jamesgentry13 they aren't getting paid for it though, instead they are the ones that pay so if they wanna be lazy and flank classes they could do so.

[@asparagusbear3323]

Didn't even bring correct ppt slides. Lazy burned out professor, one eye on the golf course.

[@MajinMist603]

@@jamesgentry13 some yes but this is college , you fr cant afford to be lazy . . . . I thought you are smarter than this . . . .

[@nicholasshaw2244]

Talk about abuse of their so-called “academic freedom.”

[@hangtimedangjang]

Here's what happened. Someone from the previous year figured out what test bank this guy was using for his exam & shares this info. Students take exam. Grade Distribution is abnormal. Someone takes professor to task on this, finds out he's using a publicly available test bank from a publisher as his exam and advises him that this exam is being thrown out due to his laziness. If he wants to keep his job, he's going to have to get his students to take a new exam. How do you get students to agree to take 2nd exam to save your ass? You don't. You get them to take a 2nd exam by accusing them of malfeasance and making all manner of empty threats about Academic Affairs, etc.,and graciously negotiate a deal with the Dean on their behalf. Dude is throwing a hail mary here.

[@index3876]

cool headcanon bro

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

Interesting! Sounds to me like the somebody that took this guy to task was the department chair (or dean or whatever they call it at this school), unless there's some level of management inserted between the dean and the profs.

[@sirrealism7300]

Do you have any evidence? Because while it sounds logical talk is nothing.

[@sovereign9708]

@@sirrealism7300speaking of nothing, the professor is clearly talking out of his ass. Yeah unless he has fingerprints and personal computer files. His forensics are a complete lie

[@glaucouswingedgull]

As an aside, when I was in college I had the opportunity to retake the calculus series. The second time around the text book came with an answer book that had every other question worked out. It was a learning experience to see how the result was derived and not just the correct "number", printed in the back of the main text as is mostly the case. All students should have access to such text, that are usually restricted to the professors. Professors should be able to create their own test questions. The object is education, not recreating the wheel. After all, we stand on the shoulders of those that came before us. I have low regard for this professor, who is taking the easy path for his career and the University that aids and supports such practice, ultimately stealing time, money, and resources from their students.

[@Nautilus1972]

Well put. And has he heard of open-book exams? Exams don't need to be memory tests. Once you know how to find information to solve a problem, then that's real-world success.

[@gabrielsmall9721]

This was economics not math, knowing the answer does not help you think, this major is all about memorizing.

[@xLxUxSxTx]

great comments. helping my kid do math as a 5th grader, they now have similar at the top and on the back of homework. great aid to be able to see how things are done correctly.

[@pauld4355]

"what was the last 20 years for?" Give me a break...

[@rayjr62]

He is full of himself. At least he comes off that way. And I have read some of the not-too-flattering comments made about him on the "Rate My Professors" website...btw.. most of the remarks made about him were done before this cheating incident occurred.

[@ed9492]

If he didn't get tenure, then he wasted a lot of time.

[@gregoryseres1563]

C’mon. Dude was coming to work for love and friends.

[@josephdenor8305]

I laughed my head off when I heard that.

[@booognish]

Jeeeez this guy should be a drama teacher.

[@poochie5543]

When you occupation is based on teaching students and they cannot even do that without cheating it hurts the most dedicated people.

[@truerandom9578]

@@poochie5543 they didnt even cheat

[@GorduneDelaine]

I taught a capstone course (taken in the last year) at UCF and it is not an understatement to say that every professor my students had prior had scammed them by overselling their credibility and then dad-lecturing the whole term while failing to cover even 30% of the syllabus. Since I was teaching *game development* (while working at EA sports, nearby) this was especially awful because my course was supposed to be their *capstone game* but they hadn't even learned to make ANY games despite numerous classes claiming they would. The students only had lab/class access to macs (being told it was the industry standard; oh my god is this not the case), had only been taught the basics of making a flash animation (red flaaag), and had their time wasted with made-up theory that didn't even broach the level of actual industry buzzwords like Flow™. The school claimed it had a high rate of employment for this cutting-edge program but the student's best bet was to be funneled into the nearby and excessively expensive graduate degree program, which they would not even be prepared for, assuming they got in (the program only takes 50 people a year). And the macs didn't even have unity installed. You may have guessed the punchline already: the other faculty had never made a game or even worked in the industry.

[@JadieJamz]

Sounds like college to me. Total scam.

[@MizTheDonGargon]

most professors have never worked in the industry they're teaching. this is especially true for business related subjects

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

@@JadieJamz I'm lucky that most of my engineering profs didn't run their classes like this. There were a few, though. When I graduated, I got a job within a 50-mile radius of the university. There were a few profs that called me up asking for free work for something they had going on. My greatest pleasure was treating them just like they treated me as a student. I'd either blow them off or show up late, do it really half assed, and leave early because "I have an important meeting." When you take pleasure in showing students that they don't mean anything to you or the U, it'll come back to you, boomer.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

"Dad-lecturing", I like that and need to remember it, that's a perfect way to put it. My favorite is when they waggle their finger and dad-lecture you about integrity, doing the job right, and having a good work-ethic, then when you need something from them, they have to be kicked in the ass, get it to you weeks late, and do it really half-assed. Way to lead by example, boomer.

[@tokesalotta1521]

Everybody knows the real learning happens after college

[@gmc8111]

“I’ve also contacted the US army and they will send in troops to take extreme action against the cheaters”

[@Andy4Cincy]

I completed a business law course at my college taught by a lawyer. He was notorious for always using roughly the same exams. One day, he ripped into us for studying old exams. He said he was writing all new tests from now one. He never took it to the dean or accused us of cheating. I believe this is because he knew (as a lawyer) that it isn't considered cheating. He was just pissed that we had caught on to his system.

[@GabeMarkley]

“for those who cheated, don’t call me. don’t ask me to do anything for you every.” this dude sounds like a 12 year old pouting. what a piece of work

[@rs1023]

If he'd pulled this stunt where and when I went to school, he'd be getting calls alright from the dean demanding to know where the hell he gets off lying and making false accusations.

[@ieatpussy1000]

I’m a college instructor. I and every other college instructor know that if you use a publisher's test bank to create an exam, or if you use a pre-made exam from the publisher, that the students could get a hold of it. You can buy the teacher's manual and the CD-rom with the text bank or pre-made exams. I've used the test bank and pre-made exams as quizzes or unit tests (ie. tests that are intended to keep the students on point, and not to test their final knowledge level after completing the course). If the student studied with the test bank, good! I don't care, that means they studied. It's like studying the textbook's unit questions. When it comes to the final exam, I create it myself (unless it's a standardized exam created by a committee -- in which case they very well might use a test bank but they won't tell me that). Prevention is the way to handle cheating. If you don't want students looking at notes, then allow nothing on their desks aside from a pen. If you don't want them to look at their neighbor's paper, make sure there's an empty desk between them. If you don't want them to know what questions are on the test, then create your own questions that aren't publicly available. It's 2016, if the questions are public, one student can take a photo and tweet them and then everybody has them. That's life.

[@QueenAllTheWay]

Ironic you literally copied and pasted this comment from an actual professor who commented the exact same thing five years ago 🤣

[@ieatpussy1000]

@@QueenAllTheWay he actually copied it from me originally.

[@slymancollector4157]

@@QueenAllTheWay there's a comment up above this one where the guy forgot to take out "show less" and "reply" in his comment lmfaooo

[@TomPettyAsFuck]

Very good, Professor I Eat Pussy

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

@@slymancollector4157 Whoops!

[@hbkgreatestever]

Most of what he said is BS. He’s just trying to scare the students who cheated into coming forward. Their is no way possible he could prove who cheated.

[@bman2549]

exactly

[@levishaw7864]

He is definitely full of it and he's bluffing! Especially in 2010 there is now way to get a 95% certainty rate on who cheated, and if they were 95% sure why make all of the others retake the exam?! He's an absolute moron!

[@poochie5543]

If he cannot prove who cheated let’s just say, then just make everyone do it again, if you studied and prepared before no extra work needed, if you cheated you better get sht done.

[@edwardzhou9423]

bimodal distribution doesn't lie sadly. Regardless of what proof or lack of it, the entire class is Fucked, with mathematical certainty.

[@ibs_haver]

Yes, this is a very common police interrogation tactic. Police often lie about evidence they don't have or even fabricate systems of gathering evidence to make it sound like it's futile to not admit to doing the crime. Often done when there is little direct evidence but the police are trying to secure a confession.

[@ThePharphis]

He claims the honest students have his "utmost respect" but still makes them (~400 students of the class) retake a test and virtually no excuse is acceptable. Now sure how it works in the US (Canadian here) but teachers can't just make up tests with arbitrary time slots in the middle of a semester because they were unhappy with the results of the test the students already knew about and wrote.

[@ckildegaard]

+ThePharphis Depends on the university, but I'd say in general, they have the academic freedom to hold tests when and how they want, especially if they find that students cheated on the first one and the results are useless for determining real learning.

[@stargazer7644]

"and virtually no excuse is acceptable" People overuse "literally" so much, and yet in the one case where it applies, you go with "virtually". The god excuse doesn't apply, because it is literally impossible to achieve. Therefore, literally no excuse is acceptable.

[@rayjr62]

Agreed. Why punish those who didn't cheat?

[@FreakinFred08]

Tysons Accosta So what would your solution to this problem be?

[@borgysbad1557]

FreakinFred08 my solution is stop using premade tests

[@ronarprfct4C]

Looks like the only unethical one here is the "Professor" for claiming he wrote the test questions when he actually took them from a test bank. The students involved were just using them as a study guide. What a putz.

[@sid-hq9ib]

While in Medical school we used test questions from non-textbook resorces. In addition we took "shelf tests" which are old national board exams that ALL medical schools used and were mandatory.These directed us to areas we were weak in and allowed us to study in a more effecient way. ALL of this was encouraged and considered reviews and not cheating. There were multiple sources for this. National Board exams were mandatory in order to advance. In NO way was this considered cheating. These exams changed yearly. I do not uderstand how reviewing 700! questions for a test that had 50 questions could make that much difference. I understand that there is a large difference between Medical School and Business school but I do not see that what this class did warranted the response. I may be missing something.

[@nicholaspetrovitch7925]

You are missing something... You studied old tests... That's a-ok in my book... Why? Because you had no idea if those questions would even be on the exam... at all... You could study all those old medical board exams and not a single one of the questions you went over may even show up on your test... These students did not do this. They took the test bank used for their specific exam. In other words... They didn't know which questions would show up, but they knew that the only questions that would show up would be in that test bank. So simply put... They didn't need to study the material... They just needed to memorize the questions and the answers. They needed ZERO understanding of the class to pass the exam. TL;DR: Yes they were cheating because they had the Q/A on THEIR exam. They just memorized these Q/A's... no need to understand... No you were not cheating because you had Q/A's that may or may not show up on your exam and even if the Q did show up it may be altered. Hence, you were required to understand the material, not just memorize that for question # 22 the answer is "c."

[@zopiclone199]

N Petro "They didn't know which questions would show up, but they knew that the only questions that would show up would be in that test bank." This is only possible if the course director here 1) actually lied about the fact that he wrote his own exam questions or 2) has been recycling his old exam questions, rather than writing new ones. It either case, the fault lies with the CD.

[@nicholaspetrovitch7925]

zopiclone199 I think the point is... It doesn't matter whether he lied about making his own test or using his questions out of a private document (assumed private from the tone of the lecture video) of test banks. It is cheating to steal a private test bank of questions and use said stolen answers to ace an exam. I don't care whether he made the questions or someone else did... So long as they test the relevant material then using questions from a recycled test bank is fine. He even states in the lecture that he was first alerted to something suspicious when he realized that the class had scored a whole grade and a half higher than usual and gave data that showed a normal bell curve for grading of previous classes. TL;DR - They stole a private document which contained the answers to their test... They cheated... Period.

[@zopiclone199]

N Petro I didn't read or hear anything about anyone 'stealing from a test bank.' In fact, I recall reading something about people paying a test bank to get the past exam questions. As I mentioned elsewhere, it is usually convention (at least in my area of study) for the CD to craft new exam questions every year. It's not a fun exercise but is one of those things that squarely falls into the duties of a CD (the fact that he leveraged his TAs to write the new exam questions here is actually exploitative, even if it's a fairly prevalent practice). Many programs and departments make past exam questions available to students. Certainly his department or program need not conform to policies of other programs or departments, but the fact that a private test bank had compiled exactly the questions he supposedly wrote specifically for this exam means he was lying about something, and that a larger part of the responsibility for the strange grade curve falls with him. This is a 4th year capstone business course. Students should not be writing multiple choice exams to begin with (in fact, at all the universities I've taught, 4th year courses are almost always seminars, with no exams, only research essays). You are already presuming that exams are the 'best way' for students to learn the material--it is not. In my view, it's certainly not appropriate for a 4th year capstone course intended to provide a thematic cap for students about to graduate. They should be trained to develop elaborate essay style answers that require them to think rather than memorize and regurgitate. In those sorts of exams, the CD could manage the precious grade curve more easily and effectively.

[@nicholaspetrovitch7925]

zopiclone199 I'll admit, I only know what is shown in these two videos. From the evidence provided in said videos, it appears as though a certain group of students illicitly (maybe not in the sense of the actual law, but in the sense of against the rules of their class) acquired the answers to their mid-term examination... It doesn't matter how you paint it... That is the textbook definition of cheating. Tell me... Would you have more of a problem if they acquired the answers to a test the professor had written himself? To me they equate to the same thing: They acquired the answers to their exam and used said information to "cheat" the examination and achieve a grade they did not deserve. On a side note, I was not really talking about the merits of using MCQ tests as an "optimal" method of testing the material... Only talking about the fact that the mentioned students cheated their exam irregardless of whether the questions came from the professor or a test bank. If someone leaves their wallet on a table... Do you deem it acceptable to walk up and take it? For me the answer is no. Is that person silly for leaving their wallet unattended on a table and should they feel stupid for allowing such an important item to be taken? Yes. That doesn't make it right to take the wallet... That's what these students did and yes... it does equate to cheating.

[@worshipiano247]

“I’ve been in contact with president trump and he’s agreed to nuke the exam room”

[@joelstromberg2392]

Haha good 1 Mr original. Some other guy said that 6 months before you

[@oscardean8962]

Obama*

[@sergiomiranda8776]

Obama was president when this occurred. 2010.

[@Paul01123]

"to say i'm disappointed is beyond comprehension" wtf is that supposed to mean? no one can understand that he is upset? what a dope.

[@dutchman063]

I guess he's so upset he has an assault rifle under his desk and is ready to use it type anger...lol

[@alexxa5584]

I think he mixed up his words there. Comprehension doesn't quite fit.

[@VanillaLimeCoke]

Probably meant to say he was at a loss for words. In a website article he described the shock like a knife 🔪 cutting through his heart 🫀

[@rorycalhoun6484]

Imagine if he made HIS OWN tests for the class. 🙄

[@poochie5543]

Imagine if you watched the full unedited video moron.

[@mannyistheman2221]

1. Question one 🤔 How to make the teacher happy? 2. Question 2 😮 What is the easiest way to get an A? Hint: Studying is a part of it BUT NOT THE MATERIAL 😁 3. Question 3: Name the best way to get extra credit 😊.

[@alexh8613]

Except nobody cheated. The students took 700 questions from a testbank and studied them of those 700 questions, 50 of them would be on the exam. That's not cheating, that's called studying. Taking practice exams is a great tool for studying. If you take an online driving exam before taking a real one, are you considered a cheater??? Of course not. It would be one thing if the students knew exactly which 50 would be on the exam. That would be cheating. Learning 700 questions in order to take a test on 50, is called learning. And to top everything off, earlier in the semester, the professor stated that he made up original questions for his exams. He lied and just copied them out of a testbank. Show less REPLY

[@MF-fg3lj]

Yes exactly. The label of "cheater" is so harsh. I feel very bad for the students. My professors overwhelmingly made their own questions and had their own test banks, which were not distributed at all. They all knew that test banks like that were an issue. This was in 2003. Many made new questions for each exam. 700 is daunting for the purpose of memorization. How in the world would you feel comfortable as an adult calling a person a cheater in this situation?

[@georgepantzikis7988]

It's even worse than that. The students (assuming they believed their professor) would be certain that NONE of the questions in the test bank would be on the test, since he claimed to write the test himself.

[@greggstone6730]

Exactly. And what about the student that got tutored by or had study help on the mid term exam from a prior student of Professor Quinn's class? Are they guilty of cheating too because they used available academic resources to learn the likely questions and answers to be asked by Prof Quinn on his mid-term exam? Unless the test bank was obtained or used by dishonest means, using practice exam questions from a test bank is pretty routine college studying practice. Professor Quinn is lazy IMO for not creating a unique exam despite clearly being so concerned that his students may learn, in advance, the questions and answers for the material likely to be included on his mid term exam. Sheesh.

[@tankedwards883]

@Florida, Hawaii & Australia fan : EXACTLY!!!

[@tankedwards883]

@Florida, Hawaii & Australia fan : I really can’t believe that people are this stupid. The students were NOT SUPPOSED to have access to the test bank! You’re not supposed to have the answers to a test BEFORE you take the test! THAT’S CHEATING!!!

[@a9jzrh]

Here is a different possible read of this story: So if a college professor and their entire staff are willing to take their salaries but too lazy to create some material / lectures / exams of their own, that's totally okay and no problem even with the elevated tuition fees the students (their customers) in the US. But if there are students smart enough to understand that this is happening and find where the professor and staff got their free ride and also make use of it, that is a huge problem and totally unethical, right? Riiight... This is what it took for this professor snd his staff to actually do their job for the first time in their 20plus year career? And then we wonder why the value of academic studies is being watered down to virtually zero... Not only un the States, mind you. Jus'sayin'

[@Otaku155]

I think the real scandal here is that we are being forced to pay back debt (for degrees that have turned out to be largely worthless) for tuition that paid the salaries of these professors who are too lazy to even write their own exams.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

100%. That place is barely better than a diploma mill. If I did recruiting and/or hiring for a big company, any resume that I saw from UCF student or faculty would automatically go in the trash, that place is a joke. If resumes were submitted electronically, I'd have a UCF-filter installed that would automatically reject any resume from UCF, student or faculty.

[@ticks4ticks4]

3:09 TO 3:24 --I guess the professor is not up to date on Business Law, or Florida State Code of Education (that require exceptions for issues such as jury duty). Having to go through labor/give birth in the exam room? Lawsuit!

[@komodomoe]

+ticks4ticks4 It's called rhetoric.

[@SummerFunMan]

+ticks4ticks4 Figure of speech, probably. In reality he probably *would* excuse a birth to preempt that make-up test for that woman... ...but if it turned out that her so-called "pregnancy" was just *POOP* instead, well then... I guess she's in trouble!

[@rayjr62]

And I notice where he claimed to have known who all the cheaters were to a person but didn't out them in class. Why? Either (1) he was bluffing or (2) had he outed them he would have been on the receiving end of disciplinary action and / or a lawsuit.

[@ticks4ticks4]

So; if UCF Professor Richard Quinn explicit mentions that "he, himself is the one who write the questions" - and Clearly Indicates that sometimes "he, himself, is not perfect in writing his questions (i.e. writes questions that are prone to interpretation); then, use of a "test bank" from the "textbook publisher" as a "study guide" before taking the exam should be not considered "unauthorized use of test banks" in the sense of "academic dishonesty". [Unless there is something in the syllabus that mentions that "test banks" are not permitted.].

[@Scorch1028]

"For those of you acted honestly and ethically, I'd like to go down on you." -- Prof. Richard Quinn

[@Sunshine215clfh]

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[@Noone9227]

Definitely some nasty ass you’d see in a college bathroom or at the park looking to get his dick sucked.

[@mannyistheman2221]

That is fucking sick 😂

[@matvangogh]

lololololol

[@mannyistheman2221]

@@Sunshine215clfh You sound like a broken record.

[@nicholasshaw2244]

What a lightweight. Some professors or instructors at universities and colleges think they’re “experts” when it comes to that stuff. When it all comes down to it, it really reflects on how strong one’s authority structure at these institutions is.

[@AlexKS1992]

I find most professors (the tenured kind) and instructors to be windbags who do it for the money and the lack of physical work.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

This guy took a couple of statistics classes a few years ago and thinks he knows something. Any math or engineering major could run circles around him. Dude got a hot lead and thinks he's Perry Mason, he's waited his entire career to dad-lecture everybody on integrity and cheating. He's a total idiot.

[@HermannTheGreat]

This just shows teachers have too much power at the collegiate level.

[@contrarian23]

Unbelievable laziness, arrogance, smugness, and bullying - not to mention a strong possibility of lying and duplicity - on the part of this professor. I hope he has been fired, sued, or both.

[@poochie5543]

He was given a packet with all the answers anonymously by someone. And he also saw the class did extremely well for the average so he made them do it again.

[@watchspotting]

Dude looks like the kind of guy who wakes you up to tell you he’s going to sleep

[@renedominguez9882]

Lmfao!!!!

[@rs1023]

Dude looks like the kind of guy who craps himself if confronted forcefully about anything. You should see the video of the student reporter for the school newspaper confront him. He literally almost runs away, face all red and won't say a word.

[@colonelangus6885]

First, this guy is melodramatic -- "I'm trying to figure out what the last 20 years was for." Please. Give me a break. For him, it the last 20 years was apparently for copying his tests from the test bank. Second, I see one simple issue here, and that issue is: did members of the class steal or otherwise illegally/improperly obtain the "test bank". If so, they cheated. If not, there was no cheating. By the way, in my limited research, I've found nothing online that definitively states how the test bank was obtained. Using previous tests as a study aid in preparation for a current test is a well know and often encouraged practice. So, what is this "test bank" really? Well, because this professor used the "test bank" to make up all his tests, the "test bank" includes all of the previous tests. Studying the test bank is studying previous tests. I saw nothing saying that studying previous tests was prohibited. Unless this test bank was illegally or improperly obtained, there is no cheating or ethical violation. Where is the information on how this "test bank" was obtained? That's the crux of this matter.

[@shananagans5]

I can all but guarantee that test bank was not obtained legally. Personally, I don't really care for this type of testing so don't take this as me defending test banks, I am simply explaining how they work & how they do things. Every time the test is graded, every single question from that test bank is analysed. Did students nationally get a bell curve on that particular question? Did different regions of the country or people from different cultures score poorly on that question? If so, that may not be a quality question so it gets thrown out. Basically, they analyse every question in that bank to make sure it isn't to easy or to hard. They also look for questions that may have some kind of bias & they get rid of those questions. In other words, every single question is studied to make sure it is fair & to make sure that a test made from bank questions is accurately measuring students knowledge. Some schools or programs also use bank questions to make or maintain a "brand" if you will. A program that wants to be known to turn out highly knowledgeable graduates can use harder rated questions to shift their grade curve to the left & eliminate a certain % of students before graduation. A mature, or well established bank should be able to produce a test with highly predictable results. If a school wants a perfect, centered bell curve they can do it. If they want to eliminate X percentage of students they can do that too. Like I said, I am not a big fan of test banks but they do serve a purpose, particularly for large institutions. In this case, it looks like they are part of a large program & they are using bank questions to keep their scoring consistent. They are making a big deal about it because all the questions were stolen & that negates years, possibly even decades of study building that test bank. Not to mention the $$ involved.

[@colonelangus6885]

shananagans5 You make some very good points and have enlightened me on the purpose and value of a good test bank in fairly evaluating students. However, the sticking point for me is that the professor never says in this video or another video online that the test bank was stolen. Why doesn't he just state that it was stolen if that is the case? He never does. In view of that and the lack of any other online information indicating that at the test bank was stolen, I conclude the students LEGALLY obtained the test and used it as a study aid. Also, come on, 50 out of 700 questions were used. For Pete's sake, did you go to college or grad school and have finals week? Who has time to even go through 700 questions that I assume were detailed problems, let alone commit 700 questions to memory. You will note that he threatens that he has informed the legal departments of the text book publisher and test bank creator of this and they are looking into taking legal action. Yet, there is no online indication that legal action was ever pursued. Never heard a follow up on that point. I believe that the test bank was inadvertently made public, and he has a problem with that. Someone f'ed up and made the test bank public, and that is not the students' problem.

[@shananagans5]

Colonel Angus Yea, the threat of legal action was just blowing smoke. If the system was hacked, maybe, maybe they could find out where it was hacked from. Maybe they did & it was from a public computer at the library or something. Now they are at a dead end. My guess is they didn't even take it that far. The threats of forensic analysis to find out exactly who cheated were total BS. At most they could determine what % of students cheated & give a numerical chance on any individual. You can't expel someone on a 70% chance they cheated. I think the professor was having fantasies of catching everyone involved. They weren't upset about the 50, they were upset that the entire bank got out. Now the research on the entire bank is worthless for future statistical analysis. I agree, from an ethical standpoint, having 700 questions to review is more of a study guide, especially if students didn't know those were bank questions. Some probably knew, some probably thought they were practice questions.

[@soag87]

The hyperbole is strong with this one (Quinn). He is power tripping because he got caught with his lazy pants down, plain and simple.

[@JadieJamz]

@RCHobbyGuy92 lazy teaching. We always studied test banks in college. The instructor is supposed to create new exam questions every semester lol

[@nargaflarga]

This guy would have an aneurysm if he learned about Quizlet

[@allenatkins2263]

"Flunk me? Flunk him!" ------ Rodney Dangerfield

[@kyleteeter7589]

Proof that college is more about the professors and their egos than actually teaching material and helping students understand it.

[@ADQAutomotive]

It's proof that one teacher is shitty. Just stop.

[@rightofcenter1977]

I totally agree. The students who "cheated" probably actually learned the material by reading and answering hundreds of questions, most of which weren't actually on the exam. The should be applauded.

[@alexh8613]

Except nobody cheated. The students took 700 questions from a test bank and studied them. Of those 700 questions, 50 of them would be on the exam. That's not cheating, that's called studying. Taking practice exams is a great tool for studying. If you take an online driving exam before taking a real one, are you considered a cheater??? Of course not. It would be one thing if the students knew exactly which 50 would be on the exam. That would be cheating. Learning 700 questions in order to take a test on 50, is called learning. And to top everything off, earlier in the semester, the professor stated that he made up original questions for his exams. He lied and just copied them out of a test bank.

[@Noone9227]

Now that we’ve covered the egomaniacs, we need a video of a professor that’s crazy. I had one that was apparently off her lithium at University of Baltimore where I had to get the assistance of the dean and get out of the class. After a couple of semesters, she was gone. Coincidentally, she ended up moving to my hometown in Kentucky and has a mediator business. I left a Google review for her.

[@ASDPolitics]

This is why I write every single exam myself. Test banks are a bullshit way to test your students' knowledge.

[@bollockjohnson6156]

You sound like you have 16 cats and can't get a man, you Karen.

[@a.i.l1074]

Cheating by learning the answers to the questions. Wish I'd thought of that

[@jonathanzipp4398]

I'd love a conversation with this guy....it's the theater of the absurd.....would be fun to run with him intellectually. My father mentioned that keeping old tests was routine in college, and here, we have students using modern technology to gather the actual test. These are the folks that should be working for the NSA! If they can hack a test bank, and embarrass a professor, let's put those skills to use defending this great country. By the way, as long as people write the exam, even now, any exam, there will be a risk of its being leaked. That's just human nature. I think threats, shaming, etc. will not work to discourage students, but instead, encourage the opposite behavior. I don't see the point of playing the public shame game......it's a waste of time.

[@rs1023]

Yeah.....somebody got caught not writing his own tests and decided to try to cover his butt. The students should've called his bluff and gone straight to the dean and demanded this proof be shown. That little terd would've crapped himself and hopefully been "outed" as a liar and a fraud for the whole school to see.

[@bubz4196]

Oh my god. This guy is on a power trip. Should be fired.

[@MrHellsing1055]

Roger Fedoraer Tenured professor He is untouchable due to unions Nothing wrong with unions, just a shame people like him make them look bad

[@renedominguez9882]

Plot twist: He's been off the pay roll for years ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@elliesmall]

@emilyj1987, the publishers of the text books make those test banks available to instructors only. Yes, they may also have seperate test banks available for students, but the one we are talking about here was definitely for instructors only. They are specifically intended as an aid to the instructor who's creating a quiz/test. They are meant to be exam questions.

[@bman2549]

Talk about going overboard publishers, legal teams, 20 universities he's just trying to draw ppl to turn themselves in.

[@Tiger74147]

What do you expect from business school? :D

[@Mark-wp4lw]

A lazy instructor in the business department? How can that be?!

[@thereal_johnle]

to be able to cheat!!!! god damn it's not a life and death thing like science!

[@daltonducote8868]

SPOILER ALERT!!!! He's the night janitor horsin' around on a break.

[@RomanCoronado]

Dr. Jan Itor (Scrubs reference)

[@Mike-bk5yc]

You know what can't be tolerated THE FREAKING PRICES YOU CHARGE STUDENTS TO ATTEND COLLAGE.

[@Dcassimatis]

...I have some advise for Professor Richard Quinn...if your students feel the need to cheat then you aren't preparing your students...professors like to give out loads of homework and test preps then pull unique problem solving exercises (surprises) on the test...in other words...scenarios not covered in class...you're there to teach that ability...pulling it on a test is dishonest and unethical...you fucking with peoples future...if you've prepared your students...if they know it and you know it...they wouldn't feel the need to cheat...so don't blame your students....blame yourself...you're the one who's failed.

[@NannoChii]

I use old test questions to study with all the time. They give you an idea of the type of questions that may be given on exams... its not their fault that he uses old exam questions. He should be making new exams each term.

[@gregoryseres1563]

I used to google test banks and question sets to help study. This guy is just lazy and naive for using prepackaged material.

[@alberttaho5439]

A professor that formulates questions that even he can not answer should not be a professor at all. If we allow this professor to formulate the questions next time he is gonna ask us to write the names of all the people that live in Tokyo (more than 20 million people). Studying 700 question for a 50 questions test is nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttttttttttttt Cheating.

[@Betis91]

Give birth in the exam room? What is he gonna do? Devour the child once its born? Lol

[@donwilcox728]

He sure is good at making excuses for himself.

[@MonicaVartolomeiFDDLP]

Yes, it is, to the extent that, at least in the professor's view, the difference between cheating and using a study guide is based on that very judgment. Since the professor said that he was writing his own questions, the students were right to assume that the material they had was not the test. If this is up to interpretation, the professor has no right to say that students were aware that this would be considered cheating.

[@worshipiano247]

Camera pans to empty classroom

[@QueenAllTheWay]

It's a lecture hall. Of course students were spread out everywhere.

[@MrN8073]

Plot twist, this is actually the janitor and theres no audience.

[@kromen10]

If I was in that class, knew I didn't cheat, and was forced to retake a test, I would have raised holy hell. Nobody said a frickin word.

[@aidenless3479]

which cheating student are you?

[@tron81]

@genegeist It's good to hear a real professor's perspective on this. I think Quinn wasn't angry at the cheating so much as he was angry the students exposed how lazy he was in lifting 50 questions from a test bank. At my college every professor make his own exam questions.

[@lautour]

well if all he is supposed to do is write the exams and he doesn't even do that, then what does he do? a lecture a week? the same lectures he's undoubtedly been giving for years?

[@SNlPER27]

If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough.

[@kevinfelix2543]

might be kind of late to ask but what was the follow up to this.

[@AwfulWaffle8474]

God was too busy to give me a note but his son Jesus wrote one for me.

[@raquijada74]

3:15

[@CesarClouds]

He once gave a lecture on the merits of using the guillotine for cheaters.

[@hereinweymouth]

Someone working for the publisher wrote a document called the test bank. The professor wrote a document called the examination. Students wrote documents called examination papers. Nobody was allowed to substitute for anyone else. If student A provided information on the examination to student B, and student B used student A's information, they both cheated. You cannot have gone through four years of collegiate information without knowing and understanding that. In addition, the test bank is NOT publicly available information. Information that is published for the benefit and use of authorized educators is so marked.

[@MonicaVartolomeiFDDLP]

We are getting back to the point: they did not cheat. In fact, the professor tried to cover up his own laziness and incompetence by pressuring students into admitting guilt, when the fact is that he was too lazy to write the questions.

[@Betis91]

Give birth in the exam room? What is he gonna do? Devour the child once its born? Lol

[@poochie5543]

Implying that there’s almost no excuse for this test.

[@2steaksandwiches665]

Lazy public school professor. His own inability to look himself in the mirror is fantastic.

[@poochie5543]

How is he lazy again?

[@2steaksandwiches665]

@@poochie5543 make your own tests. This Professor phoned it it with commitment to his profession. If he can use a textbook and the tests from it, this should be taught by a high schooler. And now he is a meme for lazy professors that don’t care enough. We all have had them, and we all appreciate those that actually tried and cared.

[@poochie5543]

@@2steaksandwiches665 Except he did care! Next time don’t rely on unedited video!

[@poochie5543]

@@2steaksandwiches665 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJPde4eKebRsnJY

[@khrushchevdunn6875]

Lazy professor who won't even write his own exam

[@HypnosisASMR]

lol he is one lazy professor, off loading his responsibilities, and then blame students for his intellectual inadequacy.

[@thenoodler]

Imagine if at the end of his speech when he turns his back to the class if his pants had been drenched in diarrhea.

[@rs1023]

That would probably have been the case if they'd called his bluff and told him they were going to the Dean, the President of the University, have contacted lawyers to sue his ass for slander and were going to "out" him as a liar and fraud publicly.

[@emailkolar4517]

​@@rs1023 "sue his ass" Probably the reason why he got drenched in diarrhea.

[@Mynthio]

Obviously his plagarism was caught, so what happened? Did he lose his Professor title, were there repercussions for Mr Quinn? I need to know!

[@manolokonosko2868]

I ALSO HAD HEART PALPITATIONS, NIGHT SWEATS, SLEEPLESS NIGHTS, COULDN'T "GET IT UP", COULDN'T EAT, COULDN'T TAKE A DUMP, WOULDN'T SHOWER OR SHAVE.... WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE PAST 20 YEARS WHEN STUDENTS CAN CHEAT BECAUSE THEY FEEL I CAN'T TEACH FOR SH1T! I AM TIRED. I AM DISGUSTED. I HAVE LOST FAITH IN JESUS, SO I'M MOVING ON TO MUHAMMAD.... THE TECH LEAD.

[@ericmcmanus5179]

Do im a bit confused here. The professor is saying the students cheated, but the person writing the subtitles of this video seems to be saying that the professor was at fault for some reason. Can someone explain what actually happened here?

[@bruceallen6492]

Many profs get butthurt because they are lazy and reuse questions. Some of them are now telling the classes that using outside resources is cheating. One prof I had gave the same exams every semester! If I did not cheat on this guys exam my lawyer would be giving him a colonoscopy in court. America is based on punishing the guilty, but educators like to punish the entire class - more of a Soviet solution. In the Military the same tactics are used because they hope the other guys will give the guilty a soap party. I had many profs who allowed open book, notes, other books, take home exams, connections to God , mind reading, etc. These tests were looking for ability to think like an engineer. Once you figured out the real problem the calculations were not hard. I never worked as an engineer where my company gave me a prescribed list of references to work from. Reading journals on the job requires rendering information into solutions.

[@phanx0m924]

He didn't even write the new tests XD, he claimed "the team" did it! 🤣🤣!

[@poochie5543]

Because it took I believe 9 days of constant struggle to creat over 200 problems on the material not made by anyone else before. Give me a break idiot.

[@mannyistheman2221]

Probably was woofing down a box of dunkin donuts in his office 😂

[@jonnyp109]

This is one of the funniest stories and videos I have seen this week, using text books test bank to study for an exam is now cheating.

[@Scambush]

Richard Quinn wants anyone who cheated to not ever call him or ask him for any favors again, yet he is encouraging everyone who cheated to come forward and announce themselves as well as take an ethics course so that their record is expunged... don't get it.

[@elliesmall]

@salvagebar, the resource was the instructors' testbank. It shouldn't be necessary for the teacher to state that that is out-of-bounds; there is a reason why that is not normally available to students.

[@JustADreamerIGuess]

My goodness, what arrogant entitlement among both the comments and the original poster of this clip. Test banks are not a resource for students. You can't get them unless you're already trying to cheat the system. Learn to study fairly I stead of memorizing answers. What laziness. And then the pompousness to claim the prof is the problem. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

[@elliesmall]

Oh, and imagine how well your job interview might go. "So I see you passed all your Calculus classes with an A!" "Yes sir!" "Great! So you won't have a problem telling me what the integral of sec X is?" "Er..." "Oh, okay then. What about the derivative of tan X ?" "Er..." "Well, can you at least tell me what the sum of the squares of sin X and cos X is?" "Er..."

[@NoodleCanoodle]

Who needs a signed hand delivered note from me, excusing them from an exam?

[@rs1023]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's great!

[@SuaveTito]

Listen up, people. He *claimed to write the exam*. Yeah, I'm sure everyone who says this is cheating would assume he's using a test bank and just compiling the questions into an exam! Whether or not you think the professor cheated is beside the point, and personally, I don't care. It's a test bank of 700 questions, and YES to those that doubt, most publishers DO make available a list of questions for their textbooks that students can use to study from.

[@ItsMotoMatt]

Using a publicly-available test bank to study for a test is "cheating?" Fuck, that's news to me.

[@harmonica4ever]

Richard Quinn probably cheated on his diploma too but will never admit it.

[@LDOPAdecarboxylase]

*repost*: “To say I’m disappointed is beyond comprehension...physically ill, absolutely disgusted, and strangely aroused.”

[@elmagnificodep]

The thing is study reading a book or a test bank you’ll forget the information eventually anyway. I have a 4.0 taken both online and in house and I can’t remember half the stuff I “learned”. Especially the liberal education courses. Why would I remember astronomy if I work in healthcare management?

[@MystikWizard]

Teaching from a text book and using the text book's test bank of questions is the epitome of laziness.

[@TheSuperkat007]

Let me ask you a question. Do you use test banks because if you do then you obviously need to work harder as a teacher.

[@alerickson3885]

This is what happens to tenured staff. They have a job for life and really don't give a s..t. come up with new questions every semester. What did he expect would happen.

[@elliesmall]

@salvagebar, we're talking about test questions from an instructors-only test bank here. How can there be any doubt that those would be out of limits for students?

[@imienazwisko9188]

Thank you, next please. After just one session with this guy I would cancel my registration for this class. If I needed this class to graduate I would wait until same class was available with a different instructor.

[@vijayv8492]

Just amazing how many have easily put the prof under the carpet - bottomline students cheated!! You got caught! We all sign academic integrity & are constantly reminded of the same from our parents.

[@vijayv8492]

@Florida, Hawaii & Australia fan - All the prof use the test bank for providing tests, if a student specifically studied from test bank & thought it wasn't cheating, then either he is a dumb person or really smart one who did want to acknowledge.

[@vijayv8492]

@Florida, Hawaii & Australia fan - Many "started" writing their own papers later after such mess. Right now prof who write their exams, still insist on keeping the question papers to themselves, as they want to reuse them in future years! Same shit different approach.

[@Andyo981]

2:43 they can never be to safe, they could leave somebody off the list who did cheat, so they have to have this kind of saftey net.

[@F4U1Corsair]

@irbtman - the instructor was talking about his test bank of questions that is not available to students for their perusal. Some publishers do provide study questions with their textbooks for student use, some of which may actually be duplicated in instructor test question banks - however, these are not the same questions that the professor was referring to.

[@elliesmall]

Also, vartotrad, think of what it will do for the reputation of a college if an employer finds that someone who supposedly passed a course with a good grade turns out not to know much about the subject at all! That employer may from that moment on automatically dismiss anyone with a degree from that college, without even seeing them. Nothing good ever comes from lying and cheating. Honestly is always the best policy!

[@TheDoubting1]

@irbtman I can assure you, as an instructor myself, that publishers do not put out the same test banks for students and test banks for instructors. If we use some of the same questions from the students' version, or if the publisher allows a small bit of duplication even, that's entirely different from students obtaining the instructor's version. A student shared it with the instructor because s/he knew that it was obviously a deceptive act taking place.

[@JohnnyRico118]

I come back to this video every once in a while and none of this story makes any sense, coming from a longterm college student lol.

[@karcharias811]

Doing sample questions is not cheating. Secondly he is bluffing, if he actually knew who was doing what he accuses them of he would NOT be making everyone take a new exam again.

[@paulallen579]

I had a teacher who completely re-used his exam on the re-exam. If you studied the questions on the last exam you passed with the highest grade. He sent out an email saying there was obvious cheating, that he would investigate it, that people could come forward to get amnesty, the whole nine yards. It was all hot air, _nothing_ happened. He was actually forced out of his job by the university and left for a new one.

[@srxshadow]

Maybe in the beginning of the semester he "intended" to write exam questions he couldn't even answer himself, but ended up getting lazy and as the exam date came closer & decided to just go for the publisher's exam. Although this could be negated by the fact that someone in a previous semester probably alerted students that the published exam would be used.

[@artey6671]

This video makes little sense to me. If he said "I can't answer some of those questions because they are from some databank", then everyone would be looking those up. In this case, I can see why he would be dishonest. I agree that it would be better if they indeed made their own tests, but if no one cheated, it wouldn't make a difference whether they are available online or not.

[@elliesmall]

There is a reason why they are included. Also, a propective employer would expect you to know it well if you passed the course with a good grade. You're cheating yourself, your college, and any future employers by pretending to know something that you don't. And if the course really doesn't matter to your future job, then your employer won't mind that you didn't pass it (or didn't pass it well). Lying and cheating... how can you possibly be trying to make excuses for that?

[@devynnbelter4970]

So he considers studying cheating? There were 700 questions on the test bank on a 50 question test. It's basically like reviewing a really intense study guide. He acts like he and his class is of utmost importance (you would have to "give birth in the exam room", really??), yet he himself admits to using a test bank, doing the same exact class for 20 years... he doesn't actually care about the students, he just wants to go on a power trip.