When A Killer Realizes His Victim Tricked Him

[@TheRealBDouble]

Imagine being so arrogant, narcissistic, sadistic and sociopathic that you think you're some sort of badass that can take life at will, but you get outsmarted by a child

[@ZijnShayatanica]

That is perhaps one of the best things to come out of this case, lmao. Poetic justice.

[@billfred9411]

They probably don't feel very smart now realizing that they got themself in prison doing something that most prisoners will think is monstrous. I can tell you right now they aren't gonna be treated very well when everyone finds out they mutilated and tried to kill a little girl. They are likely gonna have to live a very solitary life in protective custody.

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

​@@billfred9411 screw that throw them in general and let the inmates take care of the rest

[@allisons6910]

Does anyone know what the object at 1:15:03 - 1:15:10 is and why they zoomed in on it? Like is it a flashlight or the same word with "e" instead of "a" and it was shown while Autumn talking about the boy saying, "He said his mom degraded him." Weird editing lol

[@almonds8895]

@@allisons6910 it does seem like a random picture but i’m almost 100% certain that’s just a water bottle

[@xariaz]

That little girl was in a pool of her own blood with 18 wounds, a punctured lung and fractured elbow, and a cracked skull and partially amputated foot…but still managed to dial 911 and tell the officers her name and what had happened…she’s so strong it’s unbelievable.

[@roytgoiys8173]

@@jamalnasah1625 God watching a little girl getting hacked to pieces going "ayo fam dw Ill help you call the police" and feeling pleased with himself for how "gracious" he is

[@MGC-XIII]

@@jamalnasah1625 no, adrenaline and smart thinking did. If your god was real they're the reason why she got attacked as well, you realize that?

[@Rachel_D03]

@@roytgoiys8173 People are bad, God is good. God is perfect in every sense of the word. Do not make fun of God. Every word you say will be accounted for at the gates of Heaven by the Lord. But He loves you. Accept Him.

[@roytgoiys8173]

@@Rachel_D03 PFFFFFFFF aight sure, label me as an ignorant lost person or whatever. I'm not tethered by a belief and judgment in something that doesn't exist. If god is so good amd made us in his image then why are we all such worthless fuckers? Almost the bossman himself is a bit shit too huh?

[@tylerpurvis5658]

@@MGC-XIIIit’s actually explained in the Bible why bad things happen. Just read it. I don’t really care enough to tell you bc you don’t care enough to research it. It’s sad and sucks that bad things happen but god doesn’t “let” them happen god “let’s” humans have free will tho.

[@pattiharvey1787]

That little girl wasn't only smart on how she saved her own life she unwittingly saved the lives of others that would no doubtedly have come after hers. Bravo to her!

[@jhvibes3471]

That's a nice thought but these dummies went around literally telling people they killed a mother and daughter. I think they would've been caught no matter what

[@Bellathebear777]

Buydungs running free

[@salteadog33]

Can you imagine as a parent having to practice with your kid, what to do if someone tries to hurt you & how to play dead? Ughhh😢

[@Justhere77]

Some guy Don doesn’t think so

[@smokeyacres2096]

Ioooolok oooo k I’m

[@lumi6945]

I was NOT ready for the mugshots at the beginning, I was laughing my ass off at the fact that they all almost look alike

[@alextrill1746]

IKR, they look as if someone asked Midjourney to draw "bald lowlife criminal with dead eyes" and it gave four results =D

[@oehlenschlaeger1054]

​@@alextrill1746Godless, empty, primitive existences.

[@MoGumbo_]

@@oehlenschlaeger1054 id argue that a primitive existence was more fulfilling than our current ones

[@sneak9407]

​@@MoGumbo_ you wouldn't survive for long in that world you are hoping for. I'm sure you'll be easily overpowered physically and you'll be back at your original checkpoint by one or many natural factors... and wondering: if it was worth it.

[@GammaFields]

​@MoGumbo_ fulfillment is personal and relative

[@thewolf5444]

That child having to play dead, while suffering intense pain, covered in blood and hearing your own mother being brutally murdered... That's absolutely horrendous. I couldn't begin to imagine how she must have felt.

[@kevinbissinger]

Why leave this as a comment?

[@Kimberly_11]

​​@@kevinbissinger what do you mean by that?

[@chrystalblue7170]

The will to live is beyond what traumas exist. People would be amazed about what awful things humans must live through to stay alive. They'd be shocked to see what others had to endure. But the will to live is strong

[@Tonyplat98]

​@@kevinbissinger What's wrong with the comment? You do realize this is the "comment section" right?

[@univers_ALLYrad]

​@@kevinbissingeruh, welcome to the comment section. 😂 I see you're not one for freedom of speech.

[@Mo_9816]

Jamie is doing amazing now! She did an interview in 2019 about her life 10 years later, and at that point they had raised over $250,000 for a scholarships in her mom's name.

[@aj529]

Doing work to benefit others is a very effective way to help you over come loss or depression. I am very glad to hear she is managing to come out the other side of this and do good things on top of it.

[@picilocarnal]

Jamie is such an amazing being. Her presence of mind to do everything possible to survive helped tremendously to get these low-life psychos out of circulation. Jamie saved not only her life, but the lives of other victims because this gang wasn’t gonna stop killing until the cops stopped them.

[@lauralamantia5514]

Came here to find this comment. ❤ good to hear

[@thelonewolf0073]

Whats the name of the interview, i cant find it.

[@damienleigh9943]

​@@thelonewolf0073 hey i just typed in Jaimie Cates now and i think you'll find it by typing that.

[@richardjamesIII]

Man, the little girl begging the cop not to leave her side broke me. This girl will live her whole life dealing with these events.

[@yamahakid450f]

Yes, but a young girl who can override her natural instincts during fight or flight to save her own life and push through the physical pain of her injuries, as well as the mental and emotional pain of what was happening to her mother and still manage to completely stay silent to survive, she's got the strength to carry on with life. While she will never forget it, i think she'll have a good productive life and not let this moment that was totally out of control ruin her forever... Her mom's only concern was her daughter living for that exact reason, so imagine on those hard days that'll be/has been her driving force when things are at there worst

[@Bettinasisrg]

She's a survivor and behaved like a warrior. She has the strength to not continue to be a victim. There have been kids throughout history that had it even worse that went on to be happy fulfilled adults, I'm betting she'll be one of them.

[@Jthewoods153]

I mean or this was the event that broken them forever

[@RockinChairGoblin]

@@cohenmandysangalang6302 Holy crap I thought I was the only one. But yeah, not trying to be disrespectful about anything, I just loved his voice is all.

[@RVRV-mz8yw]

This is so terrible, I pray to God and Jesus Christ on her behalf.

[@PandaMom9230]

It’s taken me almost 15 years to listen to the interviews from this horrific crime. It’s taken me 5 tries to get through this entire video. Since 2009, I’ve felt disgusting for dating one of these psychopaths a year prior. I’m so angry he congratulated me and told me how excited he was to meet my daughter the day she was born, just 4 days before the murder. Hearing his interviews in this video have made me vomit multiple times. But he gets no name. I’m still friendly with his parents who bent over backwards to give him a great life and get the help me needed. They adopted him from his drug addict biological mother and gave him a beautiful home with whatever he wanted in life to succeed. When he started to turn into a different person, they tried absolutely everything and anything to get him help for what was diagnosed as “depression and ODD” but is now clearly shown to be ASPD with sociopathic and psychopathic behaviors. I will defend his parents for the rest of my life because they are TRULY good people. Some people are truly evil no matter what support they have in life. Evil people get no name.

[@HoneySparkles2]

So sorry life put you in the path of this guy! As parents we try to raise a good adult, but we can only guide at a certain point. So happy you got out of it, without violence. ❤

[@dreed1058]

Bless you sweetie! Thk goodness you did not get pulled into this terrible act. Congratulations on having a child - I'm sure you will be a "helicopter parent" during her teens, and help her figure out healthy relationships!❤ LGIT: Lib grandma in Texas.

[@naviledreamweaver3219]

God bless ya, mate.

[@mAtTdAmOn223]

You dont deserve to feel disgusting. They're monsters, not you.

[@GR8MassageSpa]

Grateful you had enough sense to leave and not lulled into his craziness. And yeah, I bet you did struggle getting through the video. Congrats on baby!

[@GRVYRDNYMPH]

I love when the cop says “you know what happens to guys like you in prison? You’re gonna find out.”

[@obannon7740]

I'm sure the inmates are super scared of this guy because he is so craazyyy

[@TheLuuman]

@@obannon7740 Nah with a physical build like that these guys are becoming someones lil biach. idc how spooky you are, if you aint strong and you target the weak like children everyone will be your opp.

[@Miner-zn4lt]

@@TheLuuman That isnt going to happen either. This dude tried to kill a little girl. He is going to have a very short prison sentence, but he wont be exiting the jail

[@TheLuuman]

@@Miner-zn4lt you cant read

[@Miner-zn4lt]

@@TheLuuman Huh? I meant the other prisoners are going to probably end up murdering this dude

[@GraniteOwlBear]

This event rocked the community here in New Hampshire. My kids were classmates of Jaime and I coached a young lady who had dated one of the killers. When Jaime graduated from high school, nearly everyone in attendance was in tears.

[@butlerpacino3328]

​@@virtzrl ya... because not a single soul in Mont Vernon, NH has the internet, or uses youtube right? they may be random people to you, and random people to me as well, but they aren't random people to their neighbors, friends, family, acquaintances, etc etc.

[@rhyagelle]

@@virtzrl sounds like you got issues you gotta work through buddy

[@rhyagelle]

@@virtzrl No, I think you're acting crazy and weird by assuming people are searching out a specific horrific case just to lie about having known or knowing the victim for "attention". It's a you issue thinking that, because there's something wrong with you. So... stop being a weirdo.

[@mud5377]

​@@virtzrlas a hermit who lives in a small makeshift shack not far from where this took place I take exception to your statement. There are literally DOZENS of us out here!

[@virtzrl]

@@mud5377 it’s one thing to know the incident that happened near you, it’s another thing to know the people involved is all I’m saying.

[@sidprado1901]

This isn't a story about a killer, this is a story about the most bad-ass, strong, and smart 11-year old! This is a story of survival.

[@gubunki]

can you tell that about her mother?

[@sidprado1901]

no because the mom isn't 11. @@gubunki

[@Seven_1865]

@@gubunkiinstead of complaining that he didn’t mention her, why don’t you say something kind about her?

[@prestofungus8588]

That’s false It’s a story about many killers However the child is extremely strong, I’m glad she made it

[@Seven_1865]

@@prestofungus8588 is something wrong with you?

[@Hannah-nl5qq]

I grew up about 20 minutes from this case, I was in middle school when it happened. I've barely seen any true crime channels cover this case, I'm glad to see it getting some attention. Edit: I was discussing this case with my family after watching this episode and remembered something. Two of these guys were at the prison my step father used to work at. He worked the SHU (Special Housing Unit) which is a maximum security wing, basically solitary confinement. He told me inmates usually go there once they misbehave on the inside, but inmates who've committed crimes against kids go right away because if the other inmates find out, they'll kill them, they go to the SHU for their own safety. I guess they weren't at his prison for long, only a few years, and then got moved to a different prison, but that they were in the SHU unit where he worked. He said they were quiet, cordial, friendly even, never caused trouble, got along with officers and other inmates, you'd never suspect them of something so terrible if you didn't know any better.

[@eliapalacios1669]

Terrible terrible imagine being the parent of this evil boys!!! After they did this terrible crime claiming they are mentally sick so they can get away with the horrible crime 😮😮

[@Pinkui]

This proves appearances deceives

[@LibertyDIY]

Textbook psychopathy. They respect strength and they recognize the "power" of that system. If they had gone to DC instead of becoming murderers they would have fit in there.

[@AbdullahHashi-kw3qj]

Socks they're shielded from the other inmates

[@jaytee2642]

​@@AbdullahHashi-kw3qj *Sucks?🤔

[@Jenna2k]

It's amazing how often people underestimate kids. Kids can be really smart and strong. Kids adapt to thier surroundings and Jamie did that incredibly well.

[@kyb7795]

We underestimate them cause we are adults and they are kids we adults think we know best

[@lovelylarissa331]

@@kyb7795 which most of the time is correct, I say this as a kid

[@korettopun1203]

@@kyb7795 yes we always forget how we were when we were kids.

[@veen4481]

This comment section reminded me of south park. Although i think kids r too ignored when even as an adult you understand that you will always have something to learn from those older and younger than you. Its amazing really because even the most unreliable person can give a persepective youve yet to see. That doesnt make someone suddenly reliable. the same way you can learn from someone younger than you but you are still a well of knowledge in comparison and thats just due to time. Now when that younger person is the age you were maybe the imformation they hold will be more accurate and you have lots to still learn. Thats how it is though no one person can really hold all the information in the world, but it can be in many. we can all learn lots from eachother.

[@annelikindlund9183]

Kids are kids but in these situationen they have to grow up!!!! But they are not adult!!!!!!!

[@onlookerofthings6029]

You can tell the interrogator wasn't just doing the "bad cop" routine to get information out, that was genuine passion

[@kitt3521]

Agreed

[@JB-kg1zv]

Ghey

[@GreenlandGunna]

Facts

[@SteveZeee]

@@JB-kg1zv -Ghey- ==> Gay D-, see me after class

[@adamd4739]

Whenever somebody uses quotation marks, that can be a red flag for deception

[@OppressedIn4K]

When the narrator said the police recovered a sweatshirt that said, "This is Steve's sweatshirt" and a pair of socks with Christopher's last name on them, that's a pretty good indication that these guys are possibly some of the dumbest criminals ever.

[@mariahetszaz8567]

OMFG I was looking for a comment that mentions the socks. I am sooooo happy I wasn't the only one who catched it. :D

[@Hopischwopi]

I think it was more that they were so full of themselves and the feeling of superiority and maybe even not caring about if it could potentially be traced back to them.

[@dazem8]

Thankfully they were so stupid that they were caught and didn't go on to hurt anyone else.

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

There is a reason why they are criminals

[@ghostkid252]

It's almost as dumb as that one idiot that wrote a stick-up note and passed it to a bank teller to rob the bank...he wrote the note on the back of a personal check 🥴

[@francesgray3096]

Her mum trying to keep her baby calm until her very last breathe broke me .. I know I’d do that with my little girl . Such a brave brave woman and young girl 💕

[@giorgosgiorgos661]

The way the Investigators were so aggressive with Chris is so satisfyingly I literally love every minute

[@zendakk]

But he's such a "gentlemanly chivalry" guy!! Looks like homeschooling skipped the adjectives vs nouns lesson.

[@stajia4694]

Yeah usually they are pretty calm and are playing friends, but not this detective😂😂

[@graysonjmes]

the boston accents make it 10x better

[@chadpayne956]

​@@graysonjmesDon't be ridiculous. Boston accents are disgusting. Worst accent on the planet

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

These yokel halfwit 'tough guys' lack ambition. What a pack of dumbos. This type of violent criminal always goes for elderly people, women, drunk men and children. Wow, great work you 'Disciples of Destruction'. Pffft. What grotesque little weasels.

[@marzizzo]

“i think my mommy’s dead” is one of the most heartbreaking quotes. what a brave, smart little girl. i hope she finds some way to live a somewhat normal life after that trauma.

[@ThelouwseFD]

I found her instagram !She's doing great !!! She seems like an amazing amazing person and her smile is beautiful !

[@AnnaBelll.e]

I live near this town. I pray she is as okay as she can be

[@utubegirl00]

@@ThelouwseFDwhat’s her @

[@jordancave3089]

@@TeachFK_Gamingcmon, man. Don’t give people that…

[@jordancave3089]

I wonder how the officer must’ve felt. Like, dude…how could that not become personal for him, ya know?

[@ZessXXify]

I’m glad you keep the names over the faces, because there is noooo way I would’ve kept track of those four 😂 I literally thought you accidentally put up the same mugshot for at least two of them

[@Nodeal757]

Same 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ereen0]

im sorry but for me white ppl look the same, in this instance it’s harder for me to distinguish between them because they all have buzz cuts

[@squidguard1]

When you copy and paste

[@atyourservicedog]

Seriously, they are just creepy copy paste psychos. 😳

[@aquabuffet]

copy pasted white dudes kill some people for no reason makes me scared to leave the house just to go to work

[@broaaakkkaaa3822]

These cops interrogating him are the best I’ve heard yet. “ you are a sick animal aren’t you?”

[@lagging_around]

It breaks my heart that the alarm system was broken in that exact moment. My heart goes out to the family.

[@Ocrilat]

I haven't finished the video...did the killers not sabotage the system before hand? It was actually a coincidence?

[@Sinsteel]

They didn't say, but considering that they picked out the house beforehand, I just don't believe it was random. Then again, I don't know that they had the know-how to sabotage the alarm without it being obvious.

[@commisaryarreck3974]

@@Sinsteel Magnets work nicely on electronics

[@Smooshes786]

@@Ocrilat it was mentioned early on. They had a system, it failed, they were going to get it repaired but weren’t worried where they live.

[@lois2997]

Horrible way to die. My fear is being stabbed or beaten to death

[@shroomyesc]

A lot of people have already said Jaimie was smart to play dead, but I think more impressive is the level of mental fortitude required to overcome the sheer terror and horrible pain one must be in to make rational decisions. That's what's impressive. Most adults have a hard time doing what's best for them when panicked and in pain, let alone going through what she went through. It takes so so much to override your instincts and all the chemicals rushing through your veins.

[@coshheraexe7308]

I completely agree, she was clearly very close with her mother since she was sleeping in her bed, it mustve been horrible for her to play dead while not knowing if her mother was going to survive or not.. smart girl.. she mustve had so much faith in her moms love to know that she'd perfer her to survive than for her to panic and try and check up on her

[@minefoxc4015]

Well i dropped a knife while chopping some vegetables, in a moment of sheer stupidity i tried grabbing it, it bounced with the handle on the table, tip up, i forcefully stabbed my hand almost through. Immediately after feeling the pain shock and the table covered in blood, I passed out. If it wasn't for my stepdad i would probably have died like an idiot in a pool of blood while chopping vegetables. Everyone says "it's just a small stab, you'll be fine" while ignoring the pain shock reaction that can incapacitate you really fast if you're not used to pain. Lessons learned: don't underestimate knives, and a falling knife has no handle, don't try grabbing it, let it fall instead, then pick it up and wash it. Pain shock is a horrible feeling, yet somehow she managed to call police.

[@themightymcb7310]

Fun side effects of all those chemicals is that you don't feel pain. Soldiers are trained to check themselves after taking cover because you often don't feel getting hit through the adrenaline. The human body is capable of incredible things when it needs to be.

[@headphonic8]

I don't think it was fortitude. I think it was her "fight, flight, or FREEZE" Instinct. She froze, as a deer would. Your brain doesn't think when you do those responses. It's a response for a reason: it saves your life

[@silk132]

shock

[@tylerramos7633]

People never give little kids credit for how smart and clever they can be in situations like this. That poor girl saved her life with her quick thinking.

[@wakeupluv]

💯 EXACTLY!

[@jcny11]

Good instincts in what must have been a terrifying situation

[@bfdidc6604]

Four members of The Disciples of Destruction versus a sleeping woman and child. And they still only managed to kill one of the two. I hope that little irony bothers them.

[@judyrosy]

No....as "people", we absolutely DO give kids credit for how smart and clever they can be. I do, I know you do and every other adult who hears this story does as well.

[@87alsjth]

AGREED!!!

[@bubby716]

Buddy talking about being a crip in New Hampshire is probably the most unbelievable lie told throughout this interrogation

[@massivel]

No seriously. I grew up in disputed blood/crip territory (South Vegas) and when I heard that my jaw dropped. These little soft-handed shrimps could never make it past initiation.

[@tweakersquadcollective-ll8sq]

@@massivel not to mention this guy and his homies all look like skin heads lol. They most certainly would NOT be accepted in any minority-created gangs lmfao

[@Daddy_Lorax_42069]

@@massivelmy question is why do people even think it's cool to be in gangs??? Like have you not heard about literally anything that happens regarding them 😭

[@astral.trippin]

​@Daddy_Lorax_42069 I don't think they think it's cool. I think the teenagers who claim that lifestyle, they think it's cool. But gang members that come forward, typically describe a feeling of obligation to that lifestyle. it's not that they were in search of it, but that it was an easy way out of a bad situation

[@lisawilson3360]

Oh no the gangs are everywhere now just because you don't run in the circles to see them doesn't mean they are not there wake up that is our whole fucking country we have been infiltrated hello

[@downbreak1498]

The horror is unimaginable. To get hacked down knowing your child is next. There's just no words for these monsters there's no punishment in this world that would fit.

[@dkelly26666]

The judge said at Gribbles' sentencing that, "Infinity is not enough jail time for you." I agree. I'd love to see him suffer immeasurably.

[@knarkzel2006]

@@dkelly26666 This is what will happen to these scum in the afterlife, where they will punished eternally in hell because of their deeds.

[@beidouenjoyer6192]

@@knarkzel2006 they need to suffer while alive too not just in the afterlife

[@knarkzel2006]

@@beidouenjoyer6192 There's no need to because the punishment for murderers in this life is the death punishment. In the afterlife, the punishment is far more severe than you could possibly ever think of.

[@skullemojinumber1285]

life in prison, while not enough, is definitely satisfying for them. once fellow prisoners get notice of what this piece of shit did he's gonna get tortured in there😭😭

[@Smalls989]

The mom telling the little girl it'll be okay is heart wrenching.

[@genodedemon5109]

She probably thought they just wanted money. But then they started brutally murdering her.

[@carrieowen5895]

He's talking so calmly about such a heinous act. What in the world.

[@frosenzu8909]

@@carrieowen5895 Thats your typical sociopath/psycho... Not all are like that in terms of DESIRE to complete those actions... but granted...IT DOES HAPPEN.... Your average psycho or sociopath will feel absolutely nothing in recalling it or even making the story up... dare i say they may even crack a laugh at how "normally" wired people have a reaction to something thats so "minimal" from their perspective. (sociopath mentality)("Its just a blood filled meat sack that stopped working because the brain..a smaller meat sack stopped working after it was hit too much....whats so surprising about that? we all will die someday anyway..death isn't a big deal") I once talked about a legit quora post about a baby who was shot in the head by accident by a stray bullet from a sniper with a father holding his dead little girl in tears..He commited suicide a while later. It had an actual photo for it too(Holding his dead baby girl) To my surprise her reaction was "lol". She was hot but that lack of empathy turned me off and showed me who she was...later i asked directly in a respectful manner if she was a sociopath...she admitted she was to me but gave me bs about shes "different" moral of the story is...IF YOU THINK someone is a sociopath...regardless of who they are... STAY AWAY FROM THEM. GET AWAY

[@frosenzu8909]

@@carrieowen5895 Psychos and Sociopaths aren't mostly killers but they WILL throw you under the bus when its CONVENIENT and will not hesitate to be a BURDEN or let someone commit atrocities to you. Between you(a long staning friend or lover Vs the "WINNER") They will choose the WINNER who can share that win them everytime. They know how we think and they know how the average Joe THINKS how THEY THINK... they know that we know they can't feel empathy... Yet they will still try to gather empathy from us for them lacking it. They will use their own psycho/sociopath traits to garner empathy/sympathy from normally wired people who they think are LOYAL They have NO LOYALTY at all and VALUES are just a matter of CONVENIENCE. NEVER be friends with one if you know someone is one. STAY AWAY & be surprised at nothing they do. Always expect the worse from them and be on your P's & Q's even if your life isn't at stake. Mostly it isn't around them.

[@JacobStar91041]

Was about to have to stop watching the video after that. The most disturbing interrogation video I've seen so far.

[@gavindoodless7]

The fact that she was smart enough to play dead is amazing. Her mom taught her to be strong. I hope she remembers that amongst all the pain and trauma she suffered and will have for the rest of her life.

[@AG-ld6rv]

I mean, when you were a kid hearing about crazy brutal events in the news and on TV, was your first thought not to think about the victims, putting yourself in their shoes? As I've aged, I usually stay away from this type of stuff, but when I was a child, I'd experience secondhand fear, bewilderment, sadness, etc. plus nervously think of what I'd have done. Stuff like defending myself if possible, running if possible, and playing dead all came to mind. What were you thinking when you were a kid watching a docu on a heinous, violent crime?

[@rebornvirgin]

instincts are amazing

[@__-tp4tm]

She be built different

[@jephxiii3159]

i'm still can't believe how strong she's.. imagine your feet hacked by machete and kicked around but you stay still and doesn't scream to be pretend dead is hard enough

[@__-tp4tm]

@@jephxiii3159 Fully agree, at that age she did something most adults would probably fail at. She is a survivor and not just by chance. I like to roll my eyes with many people stating for many people "oh so strong" but this is a prime example of where words don't easily scale up to her actions.

[@solisstreams1651]

That detective deserves an award. Being able to flip attitudes, scripts, and then on top of that emotional response to each of the individual perps. Super amazing stuff.

[@marcushopkins8558]

Being a parent of two daughters I couldn’t imagine the horror Kimberly must of felt and having the ability to remain calm for her daughter Jamie knowing her impending doom… just the sheer fact that she was going to die and not knowing if her daughter would make it or not. The evil in the world is so sad. You’re a warrior Jamie and my condolences to your strong mother .

[@MamaLuvzU]

@@lucasRem-ku6eb ?????????????????????

[@MichaelGrubbEvolvedMinistry]

Agreed.

[@memerichardson104]

We've had several murders in our family and it's horrible but what's worse is thinking/imagining what their final moments were like. All of the murders were planned except for one and one cold case. Everyone except for one received life without parole.

[@BeagleRescuer13]

100% agreed

[@aliceoz1397]

@@memerichardson104 I'm so sorry u had to go through that

[@chriswilliment3304]

We all feel for the daughter in this. But I can't imagine what the Dad must have gone through, either coming home to what happened or getting the phone call.

[@Automedon2]

There was a case in Connecicut where two former inmates brutalized and killed a mother and her two girls, then set fire to the house while they were tied to the bed. I often think about the husband/father and how his life is now. Co-incidentally, a friend, who is a retired corrections officer said he had to see them every day in prison and restrain himself from killing them, himself

[@gaara10122]

​@@Automedon2damn. That's fucking hard man. Never thought about how cos actually know the cases of alot of their prisoners. Fuck.

[@RHathemoment]

True 💔.

[@Mad_Catter_]

"disciples of destruction" So weak they had to resort to targeting children to have any impact on this planet. These fools deserve to be left in a dark pit with only the dirt and grubs to keep them occupied.

[@JamesGray89.]

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[@Phoenix-mh5eo]

Poor Jaimie, this is absolutely horrendous. I can't imagine being 11, watching my mom get brutally attacked, get brutally attacked myself, and with those injuries, be in SO much pain.... And yet..... She managed to play dead and save herself. She is SO strong. I'm so sorry for her that she had to do that but I am really really glad she survived. I'm sure if there is an afterlife Kimberly has to be looking down so happy her baby survived even if Kimberly herself died horribly. RIP Kimberly, and I hope Jaimie has managed to find some level of peace, she deserves it. I hope the rest of her life goes as smoothly as possible, she has experienced enough pain and horror for a lifetime.

[@vickiehadd4324]

A memory that will last forever. No child should have to go through. God bless her little soul ❤✝️

[@vortex162]

Imaginer the dad/husband coming home and finding out about the savage slain ordeal to his loved ones. He must be under tremendous guilt for not having repaired the house alarm system!

[@rebeccagordon7051]

I looked her name up on Google… there are a couple videos from the local news with updates on Jaimie. She seems to be doing well now! I’m sure she’s still haunted by her past, but the best revenge is a life well lived, and she seems to be doing that.

[@Kado1609]

4 nearly grown men cant even finish a little girl and now gets put into cages with real animals gl fellas karma is a bitch... to scared to fight someone their own size so they rape and kill kids instead and abuse woman whos weaker then men lets hope they get F'ed in jail

[@itsmecc2454]

It's not "Poor Jamie", This brave girl will live with this the rest of her life she is a victim of a crime but no "victim" wants to be treated or thought of as so. It's Jamie, an amazingly brave and strong girl who became a victor over the ones who brought her so much pain.

[@KevinLopez-fm9kz]

How do all of them look 14 and 42 at the same time

[@mineyabidness3467]

Meth

[@LorddOfChaoss]

Drugs

[@robcressey7228]

New England winters.

[@papi4805]

😂😂😂😂

[@YahushaisKing144]

@@robcressey7228They are rough.. I’ve got too much metal in my body for the winters here anymore.

[@Seeker7257]

The young girl proved herself to be smarter and stronger than most of the adults. What a brave kid. May God bless her and her family.

[@mickywinters8451]

I’m curious. Is that the same god that psycho Chris was serving? He was a Mormon. Ever think that religion did this to him? Religious people commit most crimes by default in USA because 71% of Americans are Christian’s. . Ps her “family” is half dead. Your god didn’t bless the family. I will never understand people asking a god on social media or here to bless them after the fact your god didn’t and one of them is dead. The kid barely survived because of her own instincts and bravery. Not some god blessing her

[@bornstar481]

I think most adults are stronger than her and smarter than her

[@815-n8e]

@@bornstar481 What would we do without your input, thanks Bornstar481!

[@op3488]

​@@bornstar481 Your comment along with the four people that have liked it. Proves how far society has truly fallen!

[@cybronec]

that's a fucked sentence...please rethink the phrasing

[@JH-wd6dp]

I might have missed it, but the dad probably had some major guilt as well. The one time you go on a trip and your alarm system is down, is the time some deranged individuals decide to break in to kill those you love. Rough situation for both the daughter and father.

[@Deadlycats667]

Agreed like his daughter he'll need a lot of therapy, my heart goes to them and their families

[@smartysmarty1714]

True, but the reality of it all is that had he been home (armed or not) and jumped in his sleep, he probably would have been dead too, leaving poor Jamie to be parentless. These pieces of garbage went into that house expecting to kill everyone, so his being out of town was a stroke of luck, if not a divine intervention. Jamie still has a dad and that will help a lot.

[@emaciatedFlower]

Quite a grim "best ending" to the situation

[@TheIrishRushin]

Window air conditioners suck

[@corondaturner7488]

I'm not finished listening to this, but the thought of the dad being involved crossed my mind. If the dad was involved, why haven't any of they said this hoping to save themselves.

[@HermesTheLoser]

“You have no idea what I’m capable of” oooh wow you can kill a defenceless sleeping woman and her 11 year old kid! What a big tough man you are! 🙄 I hope their inmates find out what theyre there for and their entire stay in prison is a living hell.

[@ishish8816]

He's not necessarily claiming he's tough here. It's more boastful. He's saying to that person "you'd be surprised how sick and twisted I am; i'm capable of doing the unthinkable with no remorse" . The mere fact he can kill a defenceless sleeping mother and attempt to kill her young child proves it.

[@alfredalfreds]

Huh

[@donjab218]

I'm honestly just impressed how you used every "their/there/they're" in the correct way

[@Ollybollyk]

@@ishish8816 I always have to wonder why these people think that's something to boast about, while it really just means you're stunted. It's like bragging that you can't see because your eyes never developed.

[@dudeybagz]

I can’t imagine their stay in prison would be very long at all.

[@Nathan-ed8qz]

The interrogators were really good at applying pressure at points that made a lot of sense. Specifically when the interviewee said he stole Pokémon stickers when he was nine and the interviewer said ‘we’re not talking smoking under 18 or pokemon stickers, we’re talking MUUUURDERRRR!!!’

[@RaennaJohnson]

right !!! I agree 100 %

[@elliehall9978]

😂😂😂😂😂 I’ve not got to the interrogation yet but everyone is saying such positive things I can’t wait

[@hauts1]

39:55

[@Natalianbeauty]

I was 11 when I seen someone get shot and killed. Every moment of that time is so vivid and easy to recall. I can only imagine the trauma that girl endured and what kind of ptsd she suffered from that. Her strength is unimaginable and to hell with those monsters. I’m so disturbed with their lack of empathy. None of them deserve to see the light of day imo.

[@KarmaSutra420]

Damn what happened if you don’t mind me asking?

[@torialinn6112]

So sorry you had to go through that.

[@AlishaMarie0850]

I was 12 when I saw my best friends step father kill him self shot gun to the head. Till this day at 35 years old I can still see every detail of what happen. Her mother was in the middle of a divorce and he was a horrible man and he actually held them hostage and was going to kill them also but some how they got out and I was walking over there and had no clue what was happening I walked in and looked at him the moment he sat in that chair with a big white wall behind him and did it. And i hate the nights when I have dreams about it. It’s so sad what happened to this child and what you saw and wen through😢 when you were 11. This child was definitely was very strong.

[@aft5264]

I saw a drive by shooting unfold when I was 17, people were running and screaming in every direction. It was like something from the movies

[@antonglas7488]

Really?

[@colonelthunderbolt4396]

I can feel the pain and anger in the detective's words. It's amazing that he kept himself mostly composed. I'd have flown into a rage.

[@BillyBobGoneFishing]

You probably would have. Which is why the phrase ''Sir, this is a Wendy's" is in your vocab as an 'oft used phrase'..lmfao

[@vito7428]

​@@BillyBobGoneFishing And your comment history on this channel just paints you as the smartest person ever doesn't it

[@JamesV1]

@@BillyBobGoneFishingprojecting much?

[@aWildHiker6444]

​@@BillyBobGoneFishing go get some help

[@BetelgeuseBetelgeuseBetelgeuse]

@@BillyBobGoneFishingGo fishing, Billy Bob

[@accidentallyamy1063]

If I ever end up as a murder suspect someday and they look through my KZbin watch history... I don't know how I'd explain watching every single one of your uploads. Multiple times. I have a feeling that wouldn't benefit me in court... but here I am.

[@decfpv]

🤣🤣🤣

[@CopMorty]

😂 i think the same thing everytime. Also think about how my constant fidgeting will get judged as guilt 😂😂

[@ToxicKing354]

😂😅😮 hilarious 😆

[@paulac1329]

It's a bit disturbing that you think you could one day possibly be a murder suspect.😁😁

[@lalipopz90]

Omg Right😅

[@MsNikkieMichelle]

To (sadly) quote Shakespeare, “Hell is empty and all the devils are here.”

[@OnlikeDonkeyKong422]

I absolutely hate this. To live your whole life and to have it end like that smh. I remember my landlord telling me that it’s so safe in my town that I could leave my door unlocked and she couldn’t understand why I always lock my door (I would accidentally lock myself out a lot and would have to get an extra key from her a lot). No ma’am I’m gonna always lock my door and this is why.

[@wartanabadanooh7157]

That’s a horrible advice by your landlord 😮

[@KatK2]

good!!👏 this one truly terrifies me because they cut the alarm system 😢 makes me wish i had several guard dogs along with other security measures.. also.. maybe bedrooms need to literally be made into a panic room or something.. im so scared! 😭

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

The saddest thing is to die from a sick fuck that contributes nothing to society just because his sick mind wanted to kill someone

[@paulinedivitantonio3883]

​​@@KatK2 I was thinking in the bedroom have an escape to a bookcase that opens to a safe space secret room.

[@ZimCrusher]

I lived in Venice, in CA, and we would have people try our door every time there was a blackout. It's Los Angles, so there are always blackouts, and more when there are earthquakes. they would not just try the lock, an walk away, they would really work on it. I LOVE my benelli m3 shotgun. You slide the action, and the door knob stops jiggling. Ask why I lived in low income housing? $500/month for a 2 bedroom place, 5 blocks from the beach.

[@drew3762]

Their whole friend group is really disturbing. Can’t believe people like that actually exist.

[@PlasticCogLiquid]

The punchable face clan

[@junemarshall-kingsley566]

So many of EWU's presentations show teens and their thrill-seeking, blood-curdling choices, their lack of purpose, their corrupt material values, and their lack of supervision. As EWU points out, the prefrontal lobe of the brain is not developed yet and so they are lethal weapons driving around looking for excitement. It doesn't look good for this country.

[@TheNoSuchThingPodcast]

This is why I keep a firearm locked up at home and lock all my doors. You just never know

[@KalisFlame]

​@@TheNoSuchThingPodcast yup. My piece is next to my bed, and my dog will alert me if anyone he doesn't know enters.

[@drew3762]

@@TheNoSuchThingPodcast I don’t blame you for feeling that way. Some people out there are actual monsters.

[@NASkeywest]

As the mother was being hacked to death by a machete she was still trying to comfort her daughter and tell her “It’s going to be ok.”

[@atyourservicedog]

So heartbreaking. I hope the girl will push aside the horror, but always remember that her mom loved her that much right to the end.

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@atyourservicedog amen

[@Kiemixo]

Love is selfless

[@justinmcgough3958]

Where did you hear this?

[@youneedtostop]

​@@justinmcgough3958 1:12:54 "as the mom was saying ' it'll be ok'"

[@davidwilliamson8502]

Chris’s mom’s “emotional abuse” sounds like a very typical upbringing. “Carrying a vacuum around the house” isn’t abuse, it’s cleaning 😂

[@tanermishler8564]

My mom used to emotionally abuse me by making me repeatedly pick up dishes and rub them :(

[@Boom_Fist]

Crazy, it's framed like Christopher was horribly treated by his mom. Getting rid of acne on his back and making him carry a vacuum around the house . That evil bltch.

[@selenaurie]

I don’t understand why these people have even the POSSIBILITY of parole. This crime is more than deserving of the death penalty for every one of them. I hope Jamie and her father are healing, and the mother is in a better place.

[@JohnDoe-rj8nd]

Boils down to politics. New Hampshire predominantly favors Democrats. Democrats are generally opposed to the death penalty and are softer on crime in general.

[@RLFinTX]

The law that allows for parole was based on crimes committed by kids under 18 and the fact that their brains are not fully formed. Sadly, these four being under 18 are allowed the same law, but I can assure you that each time they come up for parole and the board reviews their crime, they’ll be sent right back to their cell. Sociopaths don’t improve, their personality disorder only gets worse when surrounded by like minds.

[@NinjaRed5000]

@@RLFinTX ah yeah good point. I keep somehow forgetting that these idiots were all under 18 when this occurred.

[@JohnDoe-rj8nd]

@@RLFinTX Did they say Chris was 18? Can't recall but I think that's what I remember, in which case that wouldn't apply to him at the very least. Assuming I'm not mixing his age up with one of the others.

[@mikeh8416]

The Death Penalty should have been applied 5 seconds after they entered the house!!

[@ForestOrb]

This detective is such a badass. What a sick attitude and his accent is the cherry on top. I'm glad he speaks his mind straight to the murderer. I hope the victim is doing a lot better now. Best wishes to Jamie and everyone who assisted in this case

[@korettopun1203]

Sometimes not speaking his mid straight to murderers are great strategies

[@ForestOrb]

@@korettopun1203 I know, but when the evidence is overwhelming enough and considering he probably knows that his friends spilt the beans already, it must have felt good to just roast him.

[@agitatedmolecule]

@@lihboidasanstr8fyre228 the murderers?

[@lihboidasanstr8fyre228]

@@agitatedmolecule yup

[@ForestOrb]

@@lihboidasanstr8fyre228 Ah yes, murdering an innocent mother and attempting to murder a little girl is of course commonly known to be badassery /s. If you think what this coward did is badass, you need therapy.

[@ktfear]

The mother's last words 'it will be ok' to her daughter... killin me. My eyes are sucking the tears right back in. Literally picturing her saying those words, knowing she would die and never see her daughter again, that gut wrenching fear and panic and death.... not on YT to feel. Just watching for your sweet voice and the psychology.

[@RyanT301]

I know hun so sad

[@slocumb1270]

@@RyanT301 "hun?'

[@calliopec544]

@@slocumb1270short for honey. Term of endearment. People from the southern US use similar terms often, with no offense meant or (usually) taken.

[@lynnlynn9124]

​@@calliopec544 also a huge term of endearment in Baltimore City, but with a very funky accent on it. Entering Baltimore from the South, there is a sign on I95 that says "Welcome To Baltimore" but people often paint "Hon " at the end. I even lived next to Cafe Hon.

[@princetigerbeatz9316]

@@slocumb1270 😂😂😂

[@koratheweirdo]

I learn so much from these videos, I love how in depth you guys go into the psychological parts of interrogation

[@justforever96]

Me too, although most people seem to think it's just funny or annoying, because "oh I don't make eye contact with people, I would definitely get arrested if I was interrogated" or act like everything is a sign of guilt. The channel owner puts an amazing amount of effort into making these videos, gets professional input, etc.

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

5'2" 96 lbs, that dude is gonna get his ass blasted in prison

[@Terpzilla207]

Pocket bussy

[@A_swarm_of_bees_]

5‘2 fleshlight

[@mattskustomkreations]

He’ll be traded for Ramen Noodles.

[@XxCOOKEExxMONSTARxX]

Already has by now

[@TheLitRight]

I’m sure a guard is going to let slip what he’s in for

[@coppermeowmix]

After the cowardly behavior of those cops in the Uvalde school shooting, it's a breath of fresh air to hear about this solo cop busting down a door to get to an injured child before any of his backup had even arrived. The perps could have still been there but he was willing to risk his own life to save another. That's the only kind of person who should wear a badge.

[@youtubeistragic1103]

What an opinion from a simp human.

[@yungmilf]

Even after he saw this little girls severed foot, knowing only true evil could do that to such innocence, he still went in to try and help whoever else might be alive. Truly courageous, serving to protect.

[@yba666_]

Yea saw that video & mny more including casey antony one. Ur comment & the one who replied to u...one f the very few sane ones here. Thank u for calming my nerves. 1:29:42 When u fly far above & take a broad view......appears the united states of asses is working very VERY hard to make life easier for rapis.ts, murderers,serial killers & such very beautifully glorious breeds. While this glorious group is growing & thriving ..even children,teens are growing stronger within this group to do their killing,maiming,rap.s etc...whil thts happening..seems ur govt,adults,males,,females are becoming sewage creatures wth zero integrity,zero boldness,massive cowards, dsgstng& evolving into a sewage group & almost spit worthy softies. Well done! ...oh yea usa leads but closely followed by the gr8est puss. group...'canadians' & brits. I feel incredible that once u guys used to lead! 🤮. Go fr it u...umm..dont kno wt word to call u. & most retards here are seriously dscussing 'details' & jokes in the comments section wthout calling fr a serious fightback. Sigh. Kudos u fks. Keep going & make more easier laws & dscuss celebs lik kardasians & pathetic superhero & other fake fks in marvel world,dc world with feverish argumnts instd 👏👏👏. I feel ur collective doom & end is certain! Nay it shall be accelerated! Total wipeout,total anihillation . Sick group! Didnt mean u...jst to those effs ,those sewage rats who r rotting away,gnawing away! ur beautiful &once strong,bold countries!

[@lmm8960]

👏🏻👏🏻

[@sarahpalmer411]

I agree, I have no respect for cops who put their own safety above victims. They signed up for a job that risks their life. If they don’t want to do their job, they shouldn’t pretend they do. It shouldn’t just be about them flexing their power.

[@BigLebowski324]

That poor little girl. I have a daughter and I simply cannot imagine her ever having to endure such a thing.

[@commonsense571]

It’s all I can think about. I feel so much for her and her dad trying to move forward from here. I cannot imagine the agony. God bless them. I hope they find peace and some .. no… abundant joy in this life in their future. I don’t understand violence as fun. It is horrible. Maybe I watch all this true crime to understand and attempt to avoid it. Although there’s not one thing that family could have done differently bless them.

[@adabsurdum5905]

​@@commonsense571 I would never want to kill anyone, but the idea of killing a mom in front of her kid...hearing them both cry out to each other...that's an entirely different thing all together. Genuinely can not fathom doing that, and there is no punishment severe enough for this crime

[@OnlyInhuman90]

yeah lets not overreact here

[@lawrencetrujillo7365]

This is why incest is bad. A good majority of serial killers have incest somewhere along the line.

[@loftikuss]

why the girl only tho? the mom had it much worse until she died. I don't understand how people value a child more than a parent, an elderly person more than a 30 year old, both were defenseless here , both had no strength. I find it disgusting if there are 2 victims that people pity the one person but not the other only because they aren't "so cute and innocent" anymore....

[@ichigo_nyanko]

I have adhd and I would be so screwed in an interview they'd think I'm guilty as hell. Anxious looking, rambling, 'selective memory', yep. I have guilty written all over me.

[@szczesciar]

same, I'm not sure if I have ADHD but I'm certain I do have autism, so I would find it very hard to communicate at all with someone. Especially in a situation where there (technically) is a right vs wrong answer and every mistake and piece of behavior matters a lot and could literally put me in prison

[@artimus4198]

Same, I have super bad anxiety and get scared when I think I looked at someone the wrong way lol

[@elisakrivas]

I'm autistic and same

[@Imcoldallthetime]

I could be wrong but I'm guessing they have other means of determining whether a person is evasive because of guilt or just seems evasive due to mannerisms. So many of the interrogations last hours so there's a lot more questions being asked than we see, I'm sure questions that establish baselines and stuff like that. Us with ADHD usually exhibit it all the time so they would be able to determine that we have that pretty quickly and able to take it into consideration.

[@kalyskartofhorror]

That’s why you say nothing and get a lawyer

[@luckkuck]

I have mentioned in another video that I'm a non-native English speaker, just wanna leave comment here to thank you for having subtitles so that when I watch the video, it's alot easier to follow the story, and the speaking pace is just in perfect speed! It's so pleasant to watch videos of this channel!!!!

[@jjjordan3881]

I am a native speaker and even for me it's extremely helpful. Sometimes u miss hear and u can just read the subtitles. 😊

[@neacxst]

right! honestly one of the main reasons i love this channel so much.

[@cass8110]

This channel is perfect for watching or just listening!

[@JustHereForCats]

I just want to applaud all of the multilingual people out there. Don’t ever let someone make you feel ashamed for your English not being perfect…. Your brain is a translator, and that is so amazing ❤

[@mattskustomkreations]

Perhaps “pleasant” isn’t the best word to use here… 😅

[@sophiasmith2732]

The detail of her asking the cop not to leave her is gut wrenching. I could only ever imagine that feeling.

[@wadewilson1312]

He should have stayed with her.

[@chipsawdust5816]

@@wadewilson1312 He did, until another one arrived. You can't just stop the world when someone else may be in the house and possibly be saved. He didn't know that at the time, that she was already dead, but you have to check as soon as possible if there's any chance of saving a life.

[@graylyhen9490]

Yeah it's such a neat little detail the developers put in. They didn't have to but they did, very immersive detail

[@03eeon]

@@graylyhen9490LMAO

[@NiMareQ]

where?

[@goodanytimej8688]

Ive been waiting for this! My daughters mom worked with Steven Spader at a pizza place in Hollis NH next to Mont Vernon. She even worked with him the day before they did this. She said he had a Swastika burned into his arm and a police officer had gotten him the job at the pizza place to "try and get him on the right path" this was a huge happening in the area when it happened. That little girl and her dad are uncannily strong ppl. Thankyou so much for covering this! I've hoped you guys would for awhile, Kim and Jaime Cates deserve their story to be told in the respectful and informative way you guys always tell them😊

[@alessandrakostic9049]

I've been thinking how is it possible that Steven grown up in such a loving family but turned put to be a sociopathic killer. Is it possible that his brain didn't develop properly wheh he was still in his addicted mother's uterus? Can you confirm that his adoptive family was a caring, loving family, they didn't abuse him or something?

[@Milkyway109]

Has he been made not alive yet 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@GopalYadav-re5rm]

its "hakenkreuz" or hooked cross not swastika.

[@myhassan53]

Cap

[@theredphoenix5545]

​@@1415gatewayable that doesnt sound crazy at all 😭

[@lilweedsea]

Small towns are always so quiet and calm but have like one series of murders in its history.

[@Mrsr1060]

It’s insane to see the thumbnail with Chris Gribble’s face. I went to church with him. I chatted with him about once a month. We even danced at church dances. I will forever remember the day we all showed up for our youth group and the bishop announced what had happened. Of course there were no details at that point. Every time a new detail was released it just got more and more sickening. Chris was always kind of weird but I’d only ever seen the other youth try and be nice to him. I just still can’t believe I met a killer. Not to mention how anyone could be so violent and cruel.

[@taramay8174]

His mother also abused him and he was isolated. That's why he was weird

[@deml8553]

@@taramay8174 this almost sounds like an excuse, though im assuming you didn't mean to type it as such

[@emhapz]

@@taramay8174 grew up with an abusive parent, I have always been weird. But I still manage to make friends and be likeable. Also I don’t kill little children. No excuses

[@graphite7898]

@@emhapz Thank you for saying that. Being abused doesn't give the excuse to kill innocent lives, neither does it mean those who have been abused want to kill.

[@xXprettyxkittyXx]

@@emhapz same BUT I still think these conversations are important. Not as an excuse but as a rationale for why it’s so important to understand how dangerous abuse is. You and I are lucky and got away and bettered ourselves instead. But there are many who also don’t make it out. On the bright side, I’m glad so many people are able to break the cycle and have more help to understand what abuse has done to them BEFORE they get to this extreme. You and I didn’t have a lot going of help or community dealing with abuse. Mental health accessibility is what keeps people from hurting themselves or others. So let’s continue breaking that cycle!

[@Oswald_Thatendswald]

The fact they threw everything they stole in the river/buried it in the woods just proves they didn't go there to rob, they went there to kill. I pray that poor girl finds peace and happiness in her life.

[@yourgirljuls]

i googled her name and her instagram popped up. her and her father seem to be doing very well now 🙏 so strong

[@rawnoon1616]

they sold the jewelry they stole..... was stated multiple times.... but they also said themselves they were going to kill anyone if they were home when they tried went to do the burglary. They went to rob the home and kill if the opportunity presented itself.... did you even watch the video??

[@Oswald_Thatendswald]

@rawnoon1616 uh yeah I did. It literally says they left all the valuables they stole in the woods and dumped it in the river. Did you even watch the video?

[@gbrooks2382]

@@Oswald_Thatendswald they kinda did state multiple times they pawned the jewellery for money to buy weed(?). They threw the bloody clothes into the river, not the jewellery

[@johnkim5053]

@@Oswald_Thatendswald maybe the intention was to rob, but since they found people alive they changed their goals, so the jewelry meant less to them

[@natahliak7691]

I swear when he said that the little girl said "please don't do this" and mom replied "It's OK baby" I truly cried. I am a daughter and a mother so I can only imagine the fear and mother trying to comfort her baby in spite of it. It just shakes me to the core. As for the 2 that carried out the murder. They are weak and spinless individuals. There is NOTHING superior and tough about killing 2 defenceless and unwitting women. I can only hope they get what's coming to them inside.

[@PsycheDismantled]

I agree with your comment wholeheartedly. I am a mother as well and what these cowardly Peter pans did is unforgivable. It breaks my heart to think of her mother's last moments.

[@BlackStump172]

@@PsycheDismantledHer terror for her daughter would have been shocking . She would have been begging that they leave her daughter.

[@Bubbies-777]

​@@BlackStump172 derp

[@SarahAbramova]

One wasn't even a woman, it was a child.

[@Bubbies-777]

@@SarahAbramova derpy do

[@ОднаждывАмерике-э9ц]

Absolutely love this channel. So expertly easing you into the story. Or hitting with horror to get the attention and then step by step recreating the story. Sometime minute by minute. Condolemces to the victims and glad the poor girl survived.

[@jacklasz]

I’d have to say with all the horrific, violent, stories you have shared, this one seems to have hit the deepest shock too my core thus far….. and those 2 young men should never walk amongst us again.

[@Brenda-qe2ug]

I agree with you.

[@naomi-art-stuff]

There was more than 2 but yes

[@tofuwiener]

@@naomi-art-stuff i think they knew that, the other two just weren't as violent or shocking to hear about as steven and christopher

[@c_mac7773]

They don't even belong in jail. Off the face of the earth. For what reason do these two need to be alive and well and eating three square meals a day. They don't deserve that they don't deserve to live. It's sad that they get to. Our government needs to be much much more harsh on a few crimes and much much less and I bought 1 million things they consider crime. 🇺🇸💪🏻👊🏻🤙🏼

[@thefilthycasual8863]

I grew up in milford nh at this time, trust me it shocked us all to our core, nothing like this was ever expected

[@KitTayKat-]

I can’t imagine how someone could do this and say as a blatant lie “I’m the type of guy that won’t even hit a girl.” The audacity and nerve of this monster, now this poor girl will have to undergo having no mother and deal with this trauma that she endured.

[@mp7311]

She already did. This was like 10 years ago and she is doing great now.

[@JonLundgren]

Once a person lies, it gets easier and easier. Some sick ppl out there.

[@BrendaWORTHINGTON-yn1nx]

Pathological liars

[@BrendaWORTHINGTON-yn1nx]

Pathological liars, Micky Freudenberg attemps to have Brenda Worthington committed with mums help for financial fraud schemes. Pd involved. Lots if bribery.

[@cewe2003]

@@mp7311She may be doing well physically but I’m sure it is still effecting her mentally. That type of trauma leaves lifetime issues.

[@someoneelse8294]

As someone with APD I wholeheartedly thank you for captioning your videos so thoroughly!! It really means alot how accessible you've made your content, thank you again from the bottom of my heart!! ❤❤❤

[@Jfen79]

What is APD an acronym for if you don't mind me asking?

[@Maria-0017]

@@Jfen79 Auditory Processing Disorder .

[@LiarJudas666]

​@@Jfen79 to elaborate on the answers, APD is when your ears work just fine but the brain has difficulty processing the auditory information. for me, it means I basically can't understand singing. it's just gibberish most of the time. I can tell it's English but no idea what is being sung. regular speaking is much easier for me but subtitles basically eliminate what little issues I have with it and they let me actually focus on the video

[@kristinareed9336]

I have SPD* and made the same comment. E: Mine is because my hearing is so sensitive that I can't listen to anything but low volume, I can't hear certain words.

[@7996hobguy]

​@@LiarJudas666 I have APD too, but it only triggers when my wife is talking to me.

[@sarahd8879]

Billy when he thought he was locked in the basement cause he was pushing instead of pulling on the door-

[@Ghostfabe]

Like what an idiot 😹😹 I can just imagine him panicking😭😭

[@clairey6407]

Absolutely horrible. I can only imagine how awful it's been for Jaime and her Dad, and the families affected by this. Amazing that Jaime was able to preserve herself after such a horrific attack and had the presence of mind to phone the police.

[@craycrayirl9492]

I don’t know if you had access to the girl’s 911 call or not, but I’m thankful that it wasn’t played. 😢 This channel is top tier, putting out quality content consistently.

[@barretendre420]

I was hoping it wouldn’t be played!

[@pei420]

why?

[@craycrayirl9492]

@@pei420 hearing a little girl in her condition is not something i want to hear plus she’s probably happy it isn’t out there.

[@aishabush1655]

thats crazy you dont wanna hear her call for help but wanna watch the story about it

[@boldfacedtruth]

​@@aishabush1655 I understand why they don't want to hear the little girl's 911 call. It's one thing to listen to the story or watch an interrogation, but to hear the terror and pain in a kids voice is something much deeper. It's more personal.

[@realchestro2986]

Jaimie was brave to try and fight off 2 weapon wielding psychopaths in the dark, to defend her mother. And she was super smart when she played dead. She's braver than they'll ever be, combined.

[@Guriteru]

:( this broke my heart, I’m sure her mother’s reassuring final words that it would be okay helped Jamie survive

[@fregeu]

the text he sent his ex gf sounded like “you don’t wanna see my dark side… 💔🐺”

[@rwankramershorts4732]

My grandma died recently, and she used to watch your videos all the time in the living room, Whenever i’d walk in there, I’d here your videos playing on the T.V. I just wanna give you a Thanks for making very high quality and entertaining content for us. Much love from Washington

[@camillecoccagna194]

Sorry about your grandma 😢

[@theplceforme]

Sorry about your Grandma. She had good taste in KZbin videos

[@kaylahall1219]

I am sorry for your loss, friend. My grandpa and I used to watch Food Network for hours together. I always cherish those good times.

[@lauramac90]

Sorry about your Grandma. I hope you are doing OK ❤

[@rwankramershorts4732]

@@lauramac90 Thank you, I’m doing okay

[@flipnick0945]

That fact that the last thing the mom saw was 4 psychopaths in her house while it was just her and her baby girl should alone, be grounds for all 4 to receive a blind fold and told to face the wall.

[@PsycheDismantled]

👏 I would vote for that.

[@tarzan9494]

Seems too kind to me

[@samplingrater8411]

The part where you mention the fascination that Chris had in the show Dexter really made me mad. That innocent girl & her mother would never meet Harrys code. Dexter would chop Chris up in a dozen pieces.

[@MrsChrisRedfield]

Exactly what I was thinking !

[@TsundeRea]

So true. They would have been Dexters victims. They fit his code to a t.

[@Dan-xx5jq]

however, this is second or third time I have heard of murders, where the murderers describe their addition to the movie, "Dexter". Maybe some movies do cross the line and could affect certain minds to act out. Young people today see so much violence in movies etc. The first horror movie I watch was when I was 21 years old. I remember the movie did disturb my mind for weeks, I still remember the movie, "The house where evil dwells". And it was just a couple of scenes with heads being chopped off...nothing compared to movies today! These two young guys are pretty much dead, as they will get out. It is over for them. All the violence they watched may have had a roll in their behavior....???

[@carolineward5153]

Dexter killed bsd ppl

[@baligong3592]

@@Dan-xx5jq Dexter was a TV show that aired a little over a decade ago. The Protagonist, Dexter, would often lace his victims in a Tranquilizer and kidnap them to an isolated area to kill them cleanly with a knife. Dexter, despite being a blood analyst, was very clean with his killings, spilling few blood. He was also aware that despite being a Serial Killer who kills only people who are Killers, he still considered himself a Monstrous being who deserves Death. It seems like the Murderers here only love the idea of Dexter, but never paid attention to the series.

[@Bubluntz]

1:19:38 - - - Love how it wasn't even just "Steve" written on the tag, but it was specifically "This is Steve's Sweatshirt" like?? lmao

[@KenGaming3000]

My mother was murdered over half a decade ago and the pain I live with every day is immense. It’s a type of pain and most will never understand, which is a good thing obviously. I just hope the people that shatter lives are able to comprehend a fraction of the pain that they inflict and get what they deserve for committing these acts. Vile people

[@Mathilda5xp]

How sad KenFoxworthgaming08. My deepest sympathy to you and your family.

[@m-ib4512]

I’m so sorry for your loss, I could never imagine being in your situation 😢 my condolences to you and your family 💐

[@CokeFiend99]

why do i smell cap?

[@KenGaming3000]

@@m-ib4512 thank you for your kind words

[@KenGaming3000]

@@Mathilda5xp thank you for your kind words

[@whatintheheck4692]

I can’t even fathom having dozens of lacerations all over and part of my foot severed and be able to play dead. The amount of pain one would be in and on top of that she was a child. That little girl is so brave and smart. My heart goes out to her and her family.

[@mariestreeting4213]

I’m not an expert but I think perhaps when shock sets in any pain becomes secondary. Perhaps all here new as just to focus on staying as still as possible until she was sure the killers had left. As you say she was a brave little girl. Best wishes.

[@hiiambarney4489]

​@@mariestreeting4213 Also it was possible she got a pain shock / trauma and was, pretty much dead for the time being, all things considered. People got into coma from that stuff. The punctured lung would contribute to that. I really hope this was the case as that would've made it less hurtful with the mutilation and stuff.

[@S.M.E.A.C]

Fear and adrenaline shut down the pain response and the body redirects blood to vital organs so you can continue to fight or flight despite horrific injuries. The human body does amazing things to survive.

[@ueehurstonsecurity8887]

@@S.M.E.A.C I feel I would be obviously panting or something though and the killer would see that and finish it. I don't think i could play dead at 29 in that shape. You would have to fake your breathing even while horrified and damaged. no shaking no panting while super hurt and scared

[@ΆγγελοςΜορίκης-ζ2ω]

adrenaline numbs the pain

[@elijahdaves1305]

It's amazing to me that killers like this always feel powerful. They literally find the weakest, unprepared people they can. They never go after anyone capable of resisting. That makes them tiny and weak. That 11 yo girl had more balls than these 2 ever had or ever will.

[@margodphd]

Yep. If you want to feel powerful, go volunteer, change someone's life for the better - that makes one feel powerful, truly. Taking a life in any circumstances is difficult, harrowing, forever changing experience no matter be it war or accident.

[@rachelxtc]

Yep, they're cowards.

[@rosiecheeksandfreckles5310]

the irony of them watching dexter but dexter would def kill them in the show 🤣

[@beetastik8219]

This incident put many NH residents on edge. Going from freely leaving windows open during the summer nights to making sure everything in the house is locked up. 13 years later this still pops into my head here and there. Condolences to the little girl’s family.

[@Koreryn]

Yeah the world is a jungle. Even for the rich and privileged. Being poor I'm on edge every day. Never relax always stay armed ready for anything. This is life

[@SusanRichardsDay]

@@Koreryn rich and privileged sounds cold . Many worked their whole lives for what you might say is privileged. No one deserves this evil , rich or poor . Rich people provide work and many other opportunities for middle class and poor . I haven't tried rich but wouldn't mind it over the poverty and violence i grew up in .

[@Koreryn]

@@SusanRichardsDay Not really. I just mean the rich are more naïve and have more of an illusion of safety. Being poor just means you are around crime more often. These are facts. Point is you are NEVER safe. Rich or poor should ALWAYS watch their back and get ready for the worst. I would never leave my family alone without checking the alarm myself. Getting them armed with weapons. Getting dogs that can defend the home and bark alerting my wife. I never said anyone deserves it. Just the rich expect it a lot less and shouldn't because evil is everywhere.

[@stevenhair3250]

​@@SusanRichardsDay get over yourself

[@luvdocter3095]

​@@stevenhair3250 no she's right. No one deserves this. Stop complaining and get off your ass to work for what you want.

[@TobagganTCS]

It's crazy to see how easily these experienced detectives can convince these socially inept suspects to waive their rights and talk themselves into a hole

[@TheE251]

"I do not answer any questions without a lawyer present." OR "Sorry, I don't talk to the police." Has no one ever watch The First 48?!

[@TheodoreBrosevelt]

This whole case is wild, and who names a boy Autumn

[@boondoggle_3]

@@TheE251not these dumbasses i guess

[@boondoggle_3]

@MikeDonaldson-eh2ruall four of their faces look so punchable

[@pnojazz]

That’s because they were wannabe bad asses not real “CRIPS.”😂

[@jubjub2743]

I watch a whole lot of these murder documentaries, but something about the way Chris was confessing really, really freaked me out...proper chills. He's so spookily calm, proud, matter-of-fact about something so appalling and tragic!

[@dudemorris7769]

Imagine being the parents of any of these monsters!

[@arielsea9087]

Never kill themselves. Always want to live even if it is in prison. 🙄

[@laodrofotic7713]

He looks like he is shitting himself on the photo there, I bet he will not be enjoying live for long.

[@genniferpaulgomez3028]

Those monsters, are wrapped with beautiful bodies with horrific souls, they even kill their parents, without realizing it.

[@OrionLouis]

the way he said “and I thought she was toast” when describing what he did to them… oh my god. I felt sick.

[@oliviap469]

“We’re not talking stealing Pokémon stickers!”

[@troydorr4867]

That little girl has more brains than all of those idiots combined!!! God bless her for surviving this heinous attack!! Prayers to her and her family and friends.

[@tiarrasmusic]

Yes, these dudes have some screws loose in their heads.....rattling and rattling.....

[@EmeraldView]

God? LOL

[@Proggerino]

​@@EmeraldViewGod's not real. I'm so smarter than you... So sad.

[@jonah.donohue]

​@@EmeraldView The idea of God can't be wrapped around a incompetent mind, aka you

[@tofuwiener]

@@EmeraldView grow up edgelord lmao some people find comfort in religion and some people don't --- both are fine

[@Sikdomeshot]

These detectives are absolutely amazing for berating the hell out of Chris.

[@qv43v]

They should. He's complete garbage and inhuman.

[@EmeraldView]

😄

[@hiiambarney4489]

@@aftertheheadlines Doesn't matter, the other 3 testified.

[@hiiambarney4489]

Heck if he was having 10% of my feelings currently he'd wanted to give them a potato treatment. Good potatoes are ridden of any extremities, skinned, stabbed (so the salt gets absorbed better) and then boiled til done! And I didn't even have to talk to these insectoids. It's likely, however, he wouldn't have gotten the job if he was having 10% of these feelings. Great, now I feel bad as I should.

[@fogsfunhouse]

Thank you for the accurate captioning you provide, I have really severe ADHD and because you caption your videos so well they’re some of the only ones I can fully pay attention to since I can read and listen at the same time. Thank you for running such a useful channel. The work you and your team do to archive these historical stories is very important. Thank you for always respecting the victims, and for keeping this channel so accessible to each person who watches. Cheers :)

[@benski98]

You can turn auto captions on too for the video by the way. I like the style too

[@hashslingingslasher4214]

same.

[@catepackard5040]

Felt this

[@breyacash3247]

I agree with op. It's the only way I can fully pay attention. Also I like that his voice is so crisp , and clear. I hate when videos are mumbled or the volume isn't loud enough. Thank you for the hardwork

[@bbe3034]

For future reference, if you tap the screen with your finger, you’ll see CC at top right, tap on CC, that stands for captions.

[@robertgardner5515]

It’s tough to joke with a case like this, but whenever the interrogator was yelling all I could hear was Jerry Seinfeld.

[@huimang94]

I see where you’re coming from lol, it’s the accent and the voice cracking when he gets louder

[@jordantorres6614]

As a current resident of Mont Vernon and a fan of your videos I just wanted to say thank you for the amazing work you guys do. This truly rocked our little community and completely changed our way of living. We’ll never forget Kimberly or the bravery of Jaimie. Jaimie is truly an inspiration to us all.

[@jordantorres6614]

@@timberdevine4513 Is thanking someone for the tremendous amount of effort required to to put out a quality piece of work such as this video such a foreign concept to you?

[@timberdevine4513]

@@jordantorres6614 I do think it’s quite absurd to thank someone for bringing up an extremely painful situation and monetizing off it. It being this long just means they had all the more time to question if it was appropriate to post. Hope this helps.

[@jordantorres6614]

Educating, informing, and raising awareness about these subjects is extremely important in preventing them from happening again. How are we to learn from tragedies such as this if we simply brush off discussing them because they are “too painful”? You’re obviously on the wrong part of the internet and more than likely didn’t watch the entire video. Stop butting your head into things you’re ignorant about.

[@tofuwiener]

@@timberdevine4513 ? have you been in EWU's comment sections? people thanks them all the time... these videos take a lot of work.

[@freshelephant]

​@@timberdevine4513 thank you for YOUR comment!

[@Jure93]

I was in high school in nh when this happened and it literally changed the state. We literally started locking our doors not going out after dark alone. It was wild. Watching the trial and hearing them get convicted was a sigh of relief for the whole state

[@sandisaad3562]

So scary that all they had to do was brake a basement 🪟 to get in. They needed a dog to warn them.

[@numberzthegreat]

I went to Nashua South, my friends at North were better friends with Steve at the time and were around when things started going way down hill in his life with his girlfriend and then eventually this robbery/murder. We heard about it in school, I remember being dumbfounded by the news.

[@rawman44]

I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything by saying this but everybody everywhere should keep their doors locked as much as possible, regardless of area

[@aaroncapricorn5867]

yeah i can tell why they were brutal killers. sadistic as making your offspring shitwater. brutal, disgusting, disfigured offspring

[@zombywoof1015]

​@@rawman44 living in metro Detroit teaches one nothing is ever not locked down.

[@tdmuck]

this is probably the most real and disturbing graphic i have ever heard a detective get with a suspect. most of the time on this channel you see detective maintain a level of composure and professionalism, but hearing the detective berate these guys and calling them "sick fucks" just go to show how enraged they were that someone who tried to kill a little girl is insulting them by lying to their faces.

[@spookshow6999]

Good.

[@salt7625]

One thing quinn said was true "not women and children"...you don't mess with children especially because if you do it's like you killed a unicorn and kicked a puppy all while chewing up a butterfly

[@hushabyehum4805]

i love that i love the way they (tjought it was more than one man interrogating?) did it they didnt lose control every word was calculated inc that it wasmeant to demean him as ppl like Chris love to feel better and like they have power over or respect of others he confessed only when there was no room to lie and even then he tried to extract some pleasure from it.

[@nignamedmutt7270]

The heavy boston(I'm guessing Boston, I'm not too good with placing accents) is just the cherry on top when the detective starts laying into him. God fuck these animals. It feels great to finally hear a detective actually hit a few balls into the same park/zone, in that he says what the average person REALLY wants to say to these fuckers face.

[@cecilialove8993]

“Have you been to a river lately? YES OR NO?” I’m sorry but I absolutely heard Jerry Seinfeld there for a second 😭

[@charisvelasco9879]

That little girl had enormous courage to be able to take being kicked and maintain the illusion of being dead. No words to describe her strength to go through something so evil and still be able to find a phone and call for help. I'm glad that Steven requested to remain sentenced to life no chance of parole, he at least has the wherewithal (not justifying or excusing or even trying to make him seem like a good person) to know that he's where he belongs and KNOWS he's going to re-commit if released and is going to stay in prison for life.

[@nopenada2673]

its not like he was some super predator capable of being a serial killer, he only went for the weakest and vulnerable people because he's a coward, he stayed in prison because he's a coward. if he ever got the chance to get out he'd blow his brains out from everyone knowing his past. it's easier to mentally abuse and manipulate people when they assume you're a regular dude.

[@Liliarthan]

I’m actually quite surprised (and relieved) at that. I bet the court didn’t even finish reading the entire document before granting it. “Request to remain in prison for life for…” DONE! Wish certain criminals of sadistic, violent crimes that have also had psych evals that strongly indicate antisocial personality disorder would not be included in the new law.

[@ashleynagy3617]

Being a "troubled teen/kid" or "abused" is absolutely no excuse. I was an abused kid/teen. My dad was an alcoholic cokehead would come home all hours of the night mad at the world and take it out on everyone in the house, me my brother my mom...im 31 now with my own kids and have never hurt anyone like this. Ive had a couple fist fights in school but thats as far as it ever went. I couldn't fathom ever doing something like this. These people are just evil. My heart goes to jamie and her dad. I cant imagine the guilt the dad has for not being there to protect his wife and young daughter 😢 and i praise jamie for her strength and from what i hear shes doing great now ❤ a horrible thing shes guna have to take with her her whole life. Scars as constant reminders. I just cant imagine. All for a few pieces of jewelry smdh.

[@suzyq4982]

Well done for not repeating the cycle .. have an amazing life ❤

[@SunyataManji]

You're a strong man, surely you're a good father 💜

[@ashleynagy3617]

@@SunyataManji woman and mother lol

[@SunyataManji]

@@ashleynagy3617 oh God I'm sorry for the major oversight on your nickname! My point still stands, I'm glad you're over your trauma and I'm so happy for your kids 🥰

[@nbrangan]

Mate, stopping the cycle is what's it's about

[@trollerthegreattrollertheg6234]

Christopher reminds me of my ex best friend. He claimed parents abusing him but his brothers said otherwise. Meanwhile sophomore through senior year of highschool, he got more and more obsessed with violence. He eventually started discussing with me both plans to murder his parents and to stab a random student after. That's when I turned him into police. It was hard but your videos remind me about what worse events could happen. Thank you guys for informing on what signs exist. Edit: forgot to say that after he was arrested, they found he brought two large knives into school which further confirmed my fears. Edit edit: thank you all for giving me kind words. It helps me rest easy knowing it was the right call

[@applesandgrapesfordinner4626]

You did your friend and your community a great service, man.

[@lea88pu]

You did a good thing, let's hope that the person will get to the right path after this situation..

[@bfdidc6604]

@@applesandgrapesfordinner4626 Yes. They might get "in trouble" and be mad about it, but they might also get the intervention they need before something bad happens.

[@trust404]

My daughter knew a kid who always complained about his parents, wished they were dead. He was adopted. He did kill his parents both college professors a few years after graduation. It was a really big shock for our tiny town.

[@andye5724]

I knew couple kids in highschool who would always watch gore videos.. thats all they did. Im pretty sure today they lack empathy towards anything. You probably saved ppl dude, good on you.

[@Imdandalion]

Funny how he's watching Dexter like all of them would be on his table😂😂

[@ick.zosted]

This case disgusts me, I've heard it before but I still had to take breaks hearing it again. I'm my moms only daughter & even as an adult I sometimes stay the night w her & sleep in her bed....the thought that anyone could ever steal the peace & safety of those nights is unimaginable. I despair for that little girl, I can't imagine the horror she experienced 😔 I'm just glad to know she still has her dad

[@zzodysseuszz]

Yeah horrors like this is why I never say I would like to live in the ancient times when someone asks me where I’d go if I had a Time Machine. The ancient times were so filled with murder and death that ancient people created the term Momento Mori. Death was so common that the people just accepted it as a part of life. Random murders and attacks from enemy armies which would turn peaceful nights into bloodshed, you’d survive the attack only to find your neighbours were burnt or stabbed to death over the course of a few hours

[@Akira556]

Honestly i wish someone would try ts my mom and bro stay strapped

[@mattjack3983]

@@zzodysseuszz Momento Mori - "Remember You will Die". It was indeed a very common saying. It used to be etched on tombstones, to remind the living that one day they too will die and be lowered into the ground. And in my own opinion, its a good saying to keep in mind and remember. Momento Mori was also the name for a physical "momento" as well. A keepsake taken from someone who has passed away. Usually something like a loch of their hair, or a picture of the person in a locket. Or a piece of jewelry they often wore, or some other kind of trinket the person once owned. Any of those kinds of things were also known as a Momento Mori. "To serve as a physical reminder to always remember those who have died, because one day you too will die.."

[@KoiladaScrewYTHandles]

​@@zzodysseuszz I hate to break it to you, but all that still happens today, you need to read the world news. Also, death _is_ a part of life and attacks from enemy armies were hardly "random." I'd also like to pint out that you're commenting this on a video about a vicious but not uncommon kind of murder in the modern day. I get what you're trying to say, but you're judging it based on incorrect notions and assumptions of the past in comparison to today. If you do a little research (as well as just generally have an awareness of the world beyond your own bubble), you'll find, through credible scientific sources, that humanity is not more or less violent than the past. Plague and disease were the most common, and most feared and recognised, cause of death throughout history, as opposed to violence. To the point that if you _did_ travel back in time, your worst fear would and should be falling ill, rather than being murdered. Like today, most people in the past lived their lives without being brutalised, but because what you hear and see seems to say otherwise (because nobody documented the farmer families from 903 who lived a plain life, as there was no reason to), what you're getting is confirmation bias - _"I hear about these brutal things that happened in the past, therefore the past was more brutal."_ A logical fallacy. By association, you also think _"I don't hear about as much brutality today, therefore the modern world is less brutal."_ Which is also incorrect, and the only reason you think that is because you aren't on the grapevine of people constantly hearing about or experiencing it. Or worse: densensitised to it. Take America for example; the number of senseless mass shootings has been growing every year, the amount of children being shot and murdered in school has also increased - last year had the most school shootings ever recorded. Parents put kevlar in their six-year-old's bags because they're scared they'll be shot, and young children are trained on how to deal with these shootings since they first enter school. Does that not sound brutal? It does to people with sense, or people not surrounded by it. But when you hear of it so often, it becomes "normal," and it doesn't seem as brutal as, say, an army raiding a village and slaughtering the inhabitants in the 1200s, even though by all sense, children being butchered (and fearing being butchered) in their place of study is no less brutal. And of course, bringing it back around to the confirmation bias, because most people live a normal life, and most children aren't shot, they aren't as documented as the violence. I guarantee three hundred years into the future, someone like you is going to be reading about all the mass shootings and violent war crimes in the 21st century and thinking _"the past was so much more brutal compared to today,"_ meanwhile the people of New Castille are experiencing the exact same thing, they just don't hear too much about it in their bubble.

[@sterlinsilver]

That billy is the most "billy" looking billy I've ever seen

[@kaniyq]

idk why this is so funny to me 😭

[@beckymurrey8198]

this is so funny its just sad lol 🤣😭

[@valliebear_]

The Billiest Billy who ever Billied

[@maefowers47]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexandriaayala420]

I've met a few Billy's who really looked like they fit that name 🤦🏼‍♀️ glad I'm not the only one

[@kiyoko8051]

Not only do I feel bad for the little girl, but I feel so bad for the parents. Usually in cases like these the parents are always dumbfounded or always ignore their kids until it's too late. But Steves parents actually tried really hard to make sure their kid didn't end up in this path. Sometimes there's nothing we can do.

[@louniece1650]

It is extremely troubling but you're right. Sometimes nothing can be done.

[@canvas_125]

Exactly. At the end of the day, it’s not only about getting help, but actually WANTING to get helped.

[@omnigar9611]

Some people are born evil, proof of it through the ages.

[@harmdizzle1979]

Yup. It’s a sad state of affairs that we COULD stop kids from killing if it was a priority. But the juvenile justice system, child welfare system, and adolescent mental healthcare system is so ineffective, that it fails everyone. Us parents of mentally Ill children are chastised by the community when our kid does something terrible, but when we tried to do something when something could be done we are denied, we are given ridiculous options, we are offered counseling for US. I don’t need counseling. I need my child to get intensive inpatient help, and I need for that to be more easily accessible. I was told that my child who was at risk of killing herself from overdose had to “consent” to inpatient treatment. But doctors need my permission to give her a flu shot. Make it make sense.

[@drelezar7745]

@@omnigar9611Yup, the whole “nature vs nurture” debate is dumb- and I think it’s OFFICIALLY been proven that’s it’s both (aka “nature VIA nurture”) or something along those lines. Sometimes no matter how good of a parent you are, you’re child may just be predisposed to be a horrible person by nature

[@sullycliftona123]

Walmart always seems to be a factor in horrid murders

[@justforever96]

I don't see how, I don't recall hearing it mentioned in connection with any others. But it's also an extremely popular place to shop, the only store close to a lot of communities. I don't think "wow, all these killers shopped at Walmart within a month before the killing, they must be related!" Is really a valid connection.

[@WesleyG8857]

When I was younger, I would watch things like this as if it were just a story of fact, and I'd have no emotion towards it. As I got older, and realized that this is real horrifying stuff that happened to very real and traumatized people I now tear up at random times listening to the details and just imagining how scared the little lady and her mother must've been, and just how the father was when he found out his entire world was ripped from him by 4 ignorant teenagers... Damn dude.

[@macysondheim]

That most likely means you are either a sociopath or a psychopath. I suggest you seek a mental health screening by a certified physician or psychiatrist.

[@queen_xcx]

Though murder and amusement park rides are no way the same, I think it's the same correlation our brain fails to make when we're young. Rollercoasters are usually less scary when you're young because you can't grasp the idea of death or severe injury. When you age your rational thinking becomes better due to being more intelligent and it changes. I was the same way. Now these kinds of story's terrify me worse than ever before, which I still think is weird because rationally being a kid and watching true crime should be scary but it wasn't.

[@KritterKreed1016]

Preach dawg

[@LoZandCoDfan]

I had a realization of this (that these are real stories that happened to real people) while I was watching Unsolved Mysteries where a man lost his wife and child to a murderer. It hit me that it wasn't just a story, it was that man's reality. Ever since, I've been more aware of that and try to only watch or listen to "ethical true crime" where it's for educational purposes, and/or where the focus is on the victim and their family.

[@Lovely-bh3ln]

I used to be like this too, glad I came to the realisation that these people are real

[@ginikaakpata8829]

the level of rage i just felt at the “do you think the jury will sing me happy birthday?’ comment is indescribable

[@deepemotion2745]

ya thats some demonic shit. some of the darkest shit I've ever heard. demon walking

[@XoTeera]

The fact that their are more psychopaths like these just roaming around within society is frightening.

[@jaxsazerac4904]

Most of them are protected by Democrats

[@naomim0218]

This.

[@ReptilianTeaDrinker]

True. It's really scary to think about. That's why I'm afraid to go outside, tbh. My anxiety is through the roof and I have paranoia about someone trying to break in and cause harm or even worse. >__

[@PhoenixFalcarius2024]

They’re called Redditors.

[@maddylovesjokes3913]

As much as it seems to be scary, most psychopaths are just normal members of society who don't commit heinous crimes. Antisocial personality disorder goes unrecognized in a lot of people because they don't show particularly dangerous signs. A cool and funny fact, there is a doctor called James H Fallon who decided to do research on the brain differences of psychopaths and normal people. He decided to test himself one day and discovered he was in fact a psychopath due to his brain structure being that one one. He had been noted for being cold and calculated but he wasn't particularly dangerous or violent. Must've been a shock!

[@leephom5499]

Don't understand why good people suffer so much!