The Packers Were the Worst Cheaters Ever

[@Jason_Maier]

Speaking of the Cardinals, yesterday (7-2-24 for those watching in the future) former Cardinals head coach Charley Winner hit the big 100. A major win in the game of life.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Winner I remember more for succeeding his father in law, Weeb Ewbank, as Jets HC in 1974.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

@@matthewdaley746 dark days followed for the Jets basically since Super Bowl III. What did Namath do for this to happen?

[@DolFan316]

@@andrewpadaetz5549 He obviously sold his soul to win that game and have it be pretty much the only reason he made the Hall Of Fame. I figured it was common knowledge.

[@joeylawn36111]

😎

[@joeylawn36111]

@@DolFan316 No "soul selling" needed - the Jets won because of their Defense - they intercepted 4 Colts passes in the game and held the Colts scoreless through 3+ quarters (final score 16-7 New York).

[@anthony_rivera4735]

The cardinals usually had winning seasons in the 1960s, but never even made the playoffs.

[@DolFan316]

And the 1970 team, don't forget them!

[@BrianClaycomb]

Just spent over 15 minutes to learn that in 1967 a Packers PR guy, there for business earlier in the day, was chased out of the stands when he attempted to observe practice

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

I mean...at least put on one of those fake noses with the big glasses and mustache. That would have at least been more effort than just walking in and grabbing a conspicuous seat in the obviously empty stands.

[@joeylawn36111]

A la Bobby Valentine 1999

[@DolFan316]

BTW the #1 key to winning Monopoly is to gain control of the orange color group. You do that and you've got it made in the shade even if it's 120 degrees out.

[@DolFan316]

Another key factor in the Cards' loss was settling for 12 and 8 yard FGs. Remember, back then the goalposts were at the front of the end zone instead of the back so they were kicking from the actual 12 and 8 yard lines. If analytics had existed they'd have been raked over the coals for that.

[@DolFan316]

I stand corrected. I forgot to account for the ball actually being kicked from 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage which means the Cards were actually on the 1 and 5 yard lines when they decided to settle for 3, which makes it even WORSE 😳

[@lonewolfjedi493osswfan]

It’s like, “ Tell us you’re cheating without actually telling us you’re cheating”

[@lesliebell4189]

7:56 Which is worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.

[@higgy04]

Always ready to hear that quote

[@a.grimes4202]

The moral is “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.” And clearly it paid off for the Packers. *🤷*

[@marcus813]

I also wish that footage of Charlie Winner chasing Chuck Lane out of the stadium existed! That would've been so fun to watch!

[@CTubeMan]

Have you thought of doing re-enactments in your videos?

[@Cyber_kumo]

*Yakety Sax playing in the background*

[@denisceballos9745]

I believe that was the only Monday night game that year. The Packers had that terrific defense with Willie Davis (87) sacking the QB, Herb Adderley (26) scoring on a pick six, and add to that, a dangerous kick returner in Travis Williams (23), running back a kickoff 93 yards for the winning TD. They didn’t even need cheating by their PR man. They had it all.

[@DolFan316]

The '67 Packers were running on fumes and Lombardi knew it, which is why he "retired" only to coach another team 2 years later.

[@Tyrunner0097]

@@DolFan316 Their defense and special teams were still top-notch in 1967. Their offense had trouble because 1) Bart Starr had an injury on his throwing hand in the first half of the 1967 season, and 2) Virtually all their running backs got injured. Fullback Jim Grabowski had a knee injury virtually all year, Elijah Pitts got a season-ending injury as well in the middle of the season, and at one point, all the Packers had for active running backs were Travis Williams (who was really just a kick returner), Ben Wilson, and Donny Anderson. They had to claim Chuck Mercein off waivers.

[@DolFan316]

@@Tyrunner0097 The majority of the starters on both sides of the ball were 30 or over at that point, they had pretty much no adequate replacements waiting in the wings, and Lombardi knew '67 was going to be the last ride regardless. Jerry Kramer's book details all of this and strongly implies that Vince had to exert far more effort than usual to keep things on the right track. As far as the RB situation goes the '67 Packers actually ran for more yards at a higher yards per carry than '66 with just as many TDs. That wasn't the problem nearly as much as Starr's performance being significantly worse (something else Kramer's book covers in detail) and even then they scored just 3 fewer points than '66.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

@@Tyrunner0097 and it was Mercein who made two key back to back plays to get the Pack from the 30 to the 2 in the final drive of the Ice Bowl.

[@kyledabearsfan]

i knew this. :P im biased af. But in all fairness, all teams cheated back then. It was awesome. I love watching all the cheating stories, Papa Bear Halas taught a dog to run out on the field for an extra time out lol

[@Hogtownboy1]

Missed hearing “ …spiked the ball…” for a while. And dissing your sister. It was so fun

[@jackmessick2869]

Never thought Bart Starr ever had a game that bad. Human after all.

[@barbaracaroll]

NFL even played on a Saturday night 1970 Cardinals at Rams no national TV game started at 11pm eastern

[@hishaampharo]

Whenever I hear this man say 'passer rating' I just feel the 'which is worse than if he did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play' brewing😅

[@mrbob8618]

By law, you're required to announce any advertiser if you're paid by them or given product by them to advertise for the company

[@jimtrack3786]

I am a Browns fan living in Wisconsin. I have no love for the Packers but in fairness, this was one man cheating and not a team effort. Green Bay runs a respectable franchise.

[@randytracy1742]

Chuck lane had a stupid game plan and it didn’t work the way he wanted! 😮😮😮😮

[@jamesn3513]

This video is talking about the days when people were honest. He was sitting watching a practice and taking notes. It probably didn’t occur to him how illegal it was.

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Broncos cheated before their game against the Patriots in 1960.

[@RonaldLohse]

And the Packers won even with Lane being tossed out before he could actually take any notes. To call the Packers “the greatest cheaters ever” based on one man’s actions and during a time when it is likely that most, if not all, teams were looking for some sort of “competitive advantage” is disingenuous at best. They, or more specifically Chuck Lane, got caught.

[@danielbowden6330]

"Busch League" activity, right?

[@DolFan316]

As a DolFan it's SO cathartic to see Saint Vince get called out for cheating (indirectly) for once, after Shula has pretty much been labeled the biggest cheater of all time by some people despite Al Davis, Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan and Ed DeBartolo existing.

[@bobvylan7215]

Pointing out other cheaters doesn’t eliminate the fact Shula was a cheater too. It was just the game at the time, and back then win at all costs really meant that. People were being paid as coaches to win, so they protected the paycheck. Shula cheated as much or more than anyone you named. He was also successful when the game changed which you can’t say about some of those other guys, but yeah…he was one of the first cheater class coaches. Judging him by the standards of now he wouldn’t be a coach.

[@DolFan316]

@@bobvylan7215 Exactly how did Shula cheat any worse than Al Davis? And to even put him in the same universe as Belichick or teams who knowingly violated the salary cap is ludicrous.

[@bobvylan7215]

@@DolFan316 Al Davis? Not comparable. Jets had a pretty solid case on Shula may want to look into. Can trace back to Shula forcing players to take pain killers to play, or cutting them. May want to look into the accusations behind the perfect season as well. From players on that team. I never once discounted the people you named, not one, but you’ve hidden behind those names to justify Shula. He is as guilty as anyone you named. Pain killers being forced on players, or deflating a ball? Which is worse? Don’t walk into an argument you clearly haven’t researched.

[@DolFan316]

@@bobvylan7215 Can you prove that it was Shula forcing players to take painkillers and not the team medical staff? Can you even prove the players were forced to at all instead of doing it of their own free will? And lastly, can you prove other teams weren't doing the exact same thing even IF you prove the first two things? The 2020s has made me stop taking accusations seriously without proof other than "I heard" or "someone else said".

[@DolFan316]

@@bobvylan7215 As for the Jets thing, you (and NFL historians) conveniently forget the Patriots ACTUALLY CHEATING that very same season in the Snow Plow game while the officials stood there watching. So even if Shula deliberately cheated (and again, you'd have to prove he ordered the grounds crew to leave the field uncovered which I highly doubt you can do) then it merely evens things out. The Snow Plow game might even legitimately be the single most blatant example of in-game cheating in NFL if not sports history.

[@tomcollins5112]

I think the worst case of cheating in NFL history (at least modern history) was in the 1979 AFC Divisional playoff game between the Oilers and the Chargers, when the Oilers stole the Chargers offensive signals and shut down their offense. It was the worst because it cost the Chargers franchise probably their best chance ever to win a Super Bowl. The Chargers had handily defeated both the Rams and the Steelers that season (the two participants in Super Bowl XIV), so you would have to consider them the favorites to win the Super Bowl that year. Dr. Z of Sports Illustrated wrote a short article about the sign stealing, so this is a documented case of cheating. If I were a Chargers fan, I would still be ticked off about it over 40 years later.

[@Kylora2112]

And for the record, Spygate wasn't *that* the Patriots were filming the Jets' signals (that always has been and still is 100% legal), it's *where* they filmed from (adjacent to the press box instead of inside of it).

[@darrinbyers1785]

Packers never cheated. Brady cheated all the time

[@RetroJR3379]

That's why I played the video game version of Monopoly 😆

[@tompiper1480]

This reminds me of the Michigan spy scandal last year

[@frederickhampel5452]

Unmentioned is his understanding of, and key role in building, military air transport. As critical to success as the combat roles of a modern air force.

[@Tyrunner0097]

Not an excuse, but Bart Starr had an injury on the thumb of his throwing hand for the first part of the 1967 season, hence his passing numbers were pretty bad to start the season.

[@MichaelMitchRailfan2009]

Hey JG9, on your other channel (JG9 News) can you please talk about conflict schedules with American Music Awards 8:00 PM and CBS Doubleheader during week 5, because I don’t know if it’ll run into 8:00 PM and SNF starts at 8:20 PM, is there anyway that CBS and NFL can do about that time on that day?

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Don’t think there will be a change. CBS and NBC will view this as “alternative programming” to the AMA’s.

[@DolFan316]

I don't see what the problem is. Nobody watches the AMAs or any of those celebrity circle jerk awards shows. Nor should they.

[@PockyFiend]

The AMAs are just the late Dick Clark's copy of the Grammies, and would you really miss football for The Grammies?

[@sparklerbc9898]

Obviously he didnt know it was illegal to watch practice and take notes and figured since he was in the building anyway he'd do it. incredibly, laughably ignorant of the rules, yes. consciously trying to cheat? no.

[@luisreyes1963]

As a disgruntled Bears fan, that story was "Chicken Soup For The Soul". 😊

[@wingedbuffalo4670]

Answer: He didn't want to sneak and go behind their back, and he didn't want to lie because those behaviors would be "dishonorable." It's that simple. Fully "above board," he was happy to take notes opely without pretense or subtrefuge and risk getting caught. He likely figured that if the Cardinals openly saw him sitting there taking notes and didn't care enough to object or stop him, then it wasn't really "cheating" because they knew what he was doing and would be CONSENTING to it absent a challenge. And If caught, his plan was to fess up and tell the truth. It was a different era of character and integrity.

[@cmdrflake]

He had to have been emboldened by a successful attempt at observing an opponent’s practice. Makes you wonder if he had been successful at some point. Just saying…😊

[@joshbeezley4158]

This guy just doesn't like the Packers. He's literally never made a video highlighting anything good they did. And boy, there's over 100 years' worth of stuff to talk about. He puts out lots of the bad and only that. Take anything this "historian" says with a grain of salt.

[@josephcarmen9608]

It sounds like the dude was acting alone and didnt get to take notes at all.

[@higgy04]

I wonder if the football Cardinals played on a Monday Night because the baseball Cardinals had played in the World Series against the Red Sox earlier in the month?

[@CTubeMan]

Are you saying your sister is a Rattlesnake from Montgomery Tech?

[@lesliebell4189]

The related videos are not coming up in the upper right corner.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

That’s odd. I’ll look into that and should be able to have a fix by tonight!

[@jimh3595]

Not a surprise. This guy does not do his homework and his takes are, to put it mildly, juvenile

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

@@jimh3595 Or (a more likely scenario than not doing my homework, even though everything is literally sourced and I've studied the history of the game my whole life)... maybe the links in the upper right corner just didn't save

[@marcwhitlock5450]

Randal from recess vibes down to the notepad

[@joeylawn36111]

Sounds like he didn't care if he got caught or not.

[@zrwz66]

Really good hooks on these vidz.

[@aarronvanburen8612]

As a Cardinals fan who defected from packer land, this doesn't surprise me. Born in the 90s so this is the first I've heard of it

[@shawngreene1225]

This is the NFL way despite them acting like this is so taboo it’s not it’s happened since the inception of the game

[@jimh3595]

Oh, the horror. LOL. Did tony walter write this? LOL2

[@_Boobear_]

It was one guy not the whole team

[@emorimiku]

this one is getting a big HUH? from me

[@kevinramsey417]

In this house we say "I'm sorry, WHAT???"

[@jackmessick2869]

Charlie Winner is still alive and just had his 200th birthday on the 2nd. Not sure why he didn't mention that.

[@bronsonbamnallen1633]

A Packer bashing video. I am here for it all.

[@colinemler2356]

Id be mad too if i was jags fan

[@robertbuck1874]

A lot to do about nothing, enjoyed the highlights though

[@SokemRokemRobot]

This narrator sounds like an expert cheater.

[@brandonthejobber3674]

Were 🤨or are 🧐

[@jevonjaconi]

Blasphemy! :)

[@MustacheDLuffy]

Everyone knew the packers were cheaters that’s why they’re losers 😂