The WORST MOMENT of Bart Starr's CAREER

In 1980, as the head coach of the Green Bay Packers, Bart Starr was furious with his team about something that happened in the press. And Starr decided to send a message by voicing his frustration in just about the stupidest way possible, which led a ton of eyebrows to be raised, and led to allegations from players of racism. This is the story behind Bart Starr and what has to be the worst moment of his otherwise legendary NFL career
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[@mkepioneet]

As everyone who had a family member who remembered the Packers of the 70s, we all know how bad they were and, personally, I'm long sick of hearing how bad it was from after 1972 until 1992. That said, man, I knew he was a bad coach, but didn't know he was *this* bad

[@zeefly226]

Despite this incident, Starr was greatly revered by his players, which is one reason why he lasted nine years as coach despite being bad at it.

[@chriskay1449]

Hell, even the local media, despite how prickly Starr was with them, still respected him and called him a gentleman.

[@redmustangredmustang]

@@chriskay1449 that was just his personality how he treated others. I bet there's very few clips of him actually yelling and cursing out the officials.

[@mitchbrown6652]

@@redmustangredmustang Didnt he have a whip to motivate black players? Yaa really good guy @chriskay1449

[@geoffreyrue8026]

I had the privilege of meeting Bart Starr at a charity golf outing in 2003 when I was 14 years old. He was so kind and respectful. And I know others who have met him and have said the same thing. I don’t believe he had any racial intent in doing what he did, but, wow, he did not think that through. Just goes to show that no one is perfect.

[@big8dog887]

This was 1980, maybe Bart was just a Devo fan.

[@luisreyes1963]

Crack Dat Whip!! 😂

[@mayduck1]

Maybe Starr should have wore on of those red hats Devo wore and if he had did that with the whip the players would have laughed and thought he was cool but then that great song came out after this event as I remember hearing Whip It around the 1980 election.

[@big8dog887]

@@mayduck1 The album "Freedom of Choice" was released May 16, "Whip It" was released as a single on August 13 and first charted on August 30 (almost concurrent with the events in this video). It peaked on the charts November 15 (right around election time as you point out). Source: Wikipedia.

[@mayduck1]

@@big8dog887 thanks for the info.

[@teen_laqueefa]

Use your freedom of choice, freedom of choice

[@michaellyons9820]

It's a great testament to Bart Starr's popularity in Green Bay that he was head coach for the same number of seasons as Vince Lombardi. Perhaps the Packers' front office thought that because Starr was Lombardi's quarterback, Starr could continue a legacy of success. But the contrast between the two as head coaches couldn't be much starker. In nine years under Lombardi, the Packers had nine winning seasons and went 9-1 in postseason games. In nine seasons under Starr, the Packers had two winning seasons and went 0-1 in postseason.

[@retrohollywoodmotionpictures]

I believe Bart was 1-1 in post season, beat St.Louis in 1982, then lost to Dallas.

[@marcus813]

I'm a black man who's 25% Cuban. I seriously doubt that Starr had any racist intent behind bringing in that whip. He did play for Vince Lombardi, who didn't play the radio WRT discrimination, especially based on race, ethnicity or sexual orientation, so if Starr ran afoul of Lombardi on that, Starr would've been thrown out on his ass in a NY minute. With that said, Starr clearly didn't think that whip situation through. It's a good thing he didn't coach after the internet became a thing.

[@chriskay1449]

Also, his teammates revered him and loved him. Some of them definitely would have called out racism if Bart was one.

[@mr.brenman2132]

Bart Starr was one of the most respected people in Wisconsin for his charitable endeavors.

[@geebee6010]

Cubans can be any race.

[@porterwake3898]

A whip is not racist. Everyone was whipped.

[@Brotherken1234]

I'm a middle-aged black male. Bart Starr has a history of being fair-minded who abhorred the racism he saw growing up in Alabama. Bart Starr just used an unwise and thoughtless motivational device as a whip. Kudos to you for making a TOTALLY objective video. Kudos! 👍

[@nasetvideos]

What a very well done video--You did a great job reporting the reality of Bart Starr as a player and his downfall as a head coach.... I remember those year well--9 long years

[@Steve_Hunts96]

Yet, those years of his coaching era were the best during a VERY long 20 year stretch of sheer ineptitude… god may a stretch like that NEVER happen to the Packers again

[@josephambrosio8839]

Bob Knight did the same thing. There is a ton of stuff coaches cannot say or do now they could get away with 45 years ago.

[@CTubeMan]

In today’s world the temptation would be to immediately “cancel” Starr. I’m glad you went in the opposite direction.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

How could you cancel Brat Starr though. His name is literally at Lambeau Field.

[@kevinramsey417]

I don't think racism was Bart's intent, but he failed to think about the optics.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Also failed think about the history of a whip. Which was part of the slavery era.

[@divine3187]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld bart starr..... The MAN

[@TheLastoftheFourMKs]

I kinda want a video on that Falcons dynamite ordeal. That just sounds absolutely wild

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

At some point for sure

[@daveporter0217]

My uncle played HS football with Barty Smith. Barty considered my uncle his favorite lineman.

[@iamhungey12345]

Imagine if this happened in today's era.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Yeah his career would be over just like Jon Gruden.

[@divine3187]

He would be awarded.

[@williegordon9188]

What would black men in their 20's and 30's in the 1980's know anything about slavery? I'm sure they've heard of slavery but they've never experienced slavery. Why would they get offended over that?

[@iamhungey12345]

@@williegordon9188 Ask those from today's era.

[@moonblast12]

In any era this was beyond offensive.

[@SLagonia]

JG9: Think of the worst thing you can bring to a meeting to get your point across Me: Oh, it's a rabid squirrel!

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

This is proof that sometimes the greatest players are not the greatest coaches. Bart Starr was a terrific quarterback with the Green Bay Packers (1956-71), but he proved that his tenure as head coach (1975-83) was a disaster. Starr had just one season as an assistant coach in 1972 under Dan Devine. Starr was a student of the game, but he was not head coaching timbre. The Packers had only two winning seasons during his tenure. After an 8-8 season in 1983, Starr was ordered to turn in his whistle by the executive committee.

[@johnnysama]

As I stated, however, he did get one playoff win in '82.

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

@@johnnysama During the strike shortened 1982 season, the Packers made the playoffs in the Super Bowl Tournament (there was no divisional play that season due to the players strike). The Packers hosted a first round game against the then-St. Louis Cardinals. Behind three touchdowns by Eddie Lee Ivery, the Packers won 41-16, the team's first postseason win at Lambeau Field since the 1967 Ice Bowl game, the Pack's 21-17 win over Dallas.

[@jeffmerklin2022]

Agree 100% with your takes. It also shows some why he wasn't a good coach ...pretty clueless in that position on some important things. Amazing given how great a leader he was as a QB. I don't get it ...

[@Giantsfanlewis]

It's simple, just because you can fix a car doesn't mean you can design one

[@travismiller4320]

I was born in 1979, started watching Packers in 1990, and Bart Starr was not ready for responsibility of Head Coach and GM when hired in December of 1974. He was a horrible GM the entire time from what I’ve studied, but just as he was learning to be an actual Head Coach he was fired and replaced by the worst coach in Packers history in my opinion Forrest Gregg, Packers fans still clinging to Lombardi, dismantled what Starr had started to build and had Packers playing dirty. IMHO, but I didn’t live it only studied it, what do people that watched and lived it think. My first game was October 28th 1990, so I didn’t ever see 1989 team play, remember being a dumb kid thinking, “WOW PACKERS, beat whole state of Minnesota.

[@chriskay1449]

The "dirty play narrative was overblown because of the "Charles Martin Incidient". Gregg wasn't teaching them to play dirty. He was teaching them via what he learned from Lombardi.

[@anthony0358]

Excellent video. I never heard this story. I do remember Bobby Knight brought a whip to a final four pregame press conference in 1992.

[@bobscott2429]

And he "demonstrated" it on IU player Calbert Cheaney as a joke, in typical Bobby Knight fashion.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​@@bobscott2429 Yeah, and, incredibly, he'd, have, lasted, even, longer, were, it, not, for, the, fact, that, he, won, three, National, Championships, but, somehow, only, went, to, five, Final, Fours, over, the, course, of, eighteen, years.

[@bobma6342]

@@matthewdaley746 He once wiped his ass, walked out of the men's room, gathered his team around and threw the toilet paper on the court and said, "You guys are playing just like this like shit!"

[@bobma6342]

@@matthewdaley746 28 years...1972-2000

[@matthewdaley746]

@@bobma6342 His, atrocities, are, legendary.

[@Seuration]

I met Bart Starr right after he was let go as head coach of the Packers, of all places, in the bathroom of a Stuckey's in Mississippi. He was very nice, showed me his Superbowl rings. I was 8 and had no idea who he was, but my stepfather was excited.

[@xxcelr8rs]

first-, second-, and third-round picks in 1975 and first- and second-round picks in 1976 Dan Devine splits for Notre Dame after giving that up for John Hadl. Don't say bad stuff about Bart Starr in Wisconsin or take down my comment. Raw Hide Bart taught troubled youth a skill , car repair. A whip, a gun, donuts, Bart always had time for the fans.

[@thomasluttkus9956]

The problem with the Packer organization for way too long was this "The Pack will be Back" mentality. They were backward thinking, instead of paying attention to where the game was going. Coach Starr embodied this backward thinking by trying to bring back 'the sweep' and ruining John Brockington's career, who was much better suited running inside the ends.

[@davidmartinez52420]

I think it's possible that Starr was such a non-racist and that was why it never even occurred to him that bringing a whip to a meeting involving a lot of black players would be a bad look.

[@doubleemcastillano464]

A whip is not as bad as I thought it was going to be, maybe. I was thinking straight up noose.

[@hrtvfan2870]

I agree that it's doubtful Starr had any racist intentions, but seriously what was he thinking bringing the whip (not just for the issue related to slavery, but the fact that Bart's native Alabama was the site of some of the most intense events in the civil-rights movement)

[@eddixon2015]

I mean, I think he clearly wasn't.

[@porterwake3898]

Yeah only blacks have been whipped.

[@markbrian7179]

Starr should have been fired after the 1979 season. It is mind-boggling that he lasted all the way until after the 1983 season before he got fired.

[@bobma6342]

It appears he tried to become Vince Lombardi and that was not going to happen.

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

No one could become the reincarnation of Vince Lombardi in Green Bay.

[@bobma6342]

@@armorybrunotjr.3204 well certainly not Bart Starr

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

@@bobma6342 Neither could Phil Bengtson nor Dan Devine. In 1968, when Vince Lombardi retired as head coach to become strictly general manager, Bengtson, Lombardi's defensive coordinator, ran the bench, but the players were befuddled on who was head coach. After three unsuccessful seasons (1968-70), Bengtson resigned. Devine did lead the 1972 Packers to the NFC Central Division title, their first since 1967, but he proved he couldn't perform Lombardi's magic, and he turned in his whistle after four seasons (1971-74) and moved on to the college game at Notre Dame.

[@johnnyroberts3761]

Bart Starr did have some problems with the press, but he mostly caused them with how he talked to them. There were times where he would talk about an important detail, but then follow that up by saying that’s off the record. Any person whether they’re in the press or not knows that anything you say is on the record, even if you say that it’s not.

[@bobma6342]

Which brings into question why would you say something to a reporter that you want off the record? If it's off the record then simply don't say it. Telling it to a reporter and saying that it's off the record is risking one of two things: 1) the reporter may say, "Screw it. He said it so it's on the record." or 2) the reporter may print it forgetting that he/she was told that it's off the record. Years ago I was a stringer writer for various newspapers in my area. One in particular wanted me to do a story on a festival that was going on. I interview a priest because a portion of the proceeds from the parking went to the church. Okay, no problem. Well I asked how much was the price for parking and he said it was $5 (this was in 2006). I then asked him how many spaces would the parking lot fill and he said between 800-1,000 cars. The festival was a 3-day event. And he said, "We always fill the parking lot so people will have to show up early if they want to have a good chance of getting a spot." So I printed all that. Well this priest complained to the newspaper that I reported that the church was going to take in $12,000 to $15,000 for parking, which was incorrect. All I said was the cost to park was $5, the capacity was between 800 - 1,000 cars, and the festival was a 3-day event, all three of which he told me. $5 x 800 x 3 = $12,000. $5 x 1,000 x 3 = $15,000. He claimed what he told me was off the record, but I proved that he never said that because I had always made it a point to record the interviews just for that reason, so they couldn't say that something I had printed was said to have been off the record. That and to get quotes accurate. Well when I proved that the priest was full of shit and a liar the newspaper gave me more assignments but I made it clear that I didn't want to have any stories if that priest/church/festival was involved because it was clear to me that not all of the money that was going to be taken in by the church was going to be reported to the festival committee.

[@chriskay1449]

Yet the beat writer of hte time, like Bud Lea of the Milwaukee Sentinel, would still respected him and would always say they he was still a gentleman despite that.

[@bobma6342]

@@chriskay1449 Bart Starr was a gentlemen through and through, which is why the whip incident was so out of character for him. It wasn't part of his DNA.

[@tylerjerabek5204]

That moment was terrible But as a coach he got stuck with the ramifications of awful John Hadl trade- Dan Devine traded away the first 3 draft picks in 1975 and the first 2 picks in 1976 so in the pre-free agency era the team was hamstrung In 1978 the Packers were 8-7-1 but then regressed for 2 years Starr as coach probably would’ve been fired earlier without the’78 season but it seemed things were improving but the defense never did

[@RoyPage1970]

That's probably the dumbest worst trade in NFL history

[@stephaniegormley9982]

Basketball coach Bob Knight did something similar but had the charisma and camera presence to defuse the controversy. Starr was so quiet and almost mousey so he had a harder time restoring calm.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Wasn't there a head coach that brought in a club to illustrate a point and an Irish American player got really pissed off at it? It's a similar situation, as the Irish American thought it was racist.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Using whips was part of the slavery era though.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld Oh, completely agreed, it was just something that was on my mind, and Jaguar reminded me of it.

[@williegordon9188]

@@runrafarunthebestintheworld But there wasn't any black people in the 1980's who was affected by slavery. Slavery was over for 115 years in 1980. Why would any black football player get offended by a whip in 1980?

[@Fireyninjadog]

The only reason starr was head coach was because Dan devine was ran out of town after 1974, the fans killed his own dogs

[@jordza2k11]

I'm all for being tough and running a tight ship like Starr wanted however the way he did it was ridiculous and while I don't think it was deliberately racist even to someone like me I can tell immediately the undertone

[@JeffCirillo]

Everything has to be either racist or transphobic. It's 2022 after all!

[@matthewrichards4757]

1980 bringing a bull whip to a meeting.....2022 'This water is racist'.

[@JayTemple]

Since the thumbnail said he was called racist, when you came to the part where he used the phrase "you people" in addressing the press, I thought that was going to be the moment. (I once used the phrase in response to a group not defined specifically by race and had the racial connotation pointed out to me.)

[@singingchef23]

Was Starr racist? I have no idea how he felt about diff races inside his heart. But was this stupid, undeniable. It was stupid then, would have been worse now. What we arent going to do is pretend anyone that has a position of power isnt responsible to tread lightly and with logic. Is it that difficult to avoid controversy? Not really, and while people overreact on one side and look for things that arent there, those in power get too comfortable and dont think before they do and that's on them

[@chriskay1449]

His teammates, most notably Willie Davis & Dave Robinson, would vehemently rail against anyone who would call Starr racist.

[@williegordon9188]

So that whip couldn't be used to illustrate to white players that if they give up confidential information they would get whipped also?

[@zagnorch1336]

Well, at least Ricky Patton managed a Super Bowl win with the 49ers the following season. And, as I recall, the Niners beat the Packers in a midseason game that year. Just another stop on what I like to call the 49ers' Revenge Tour.

[@danieleickstedt8702]

Bart Starr was a great player and a great man. Definitely not a racist. He was actually becoming a decent coach by the time he got fired. He never interviewed for the job. He was the fan choice to become coach. He took the job out of loyalty to the organization and the fans. Other coaches spend a few years learning the job. When is the last time a head coach was hired in the NFL as their first job. He was set up for failure. He was also the GM. The great Vince Lombardi suffered health problems trying to be the dual head coach and GM. The Hadl trade didn't help him get off on the right foot with respect to talent. He built some pretty good offenses, but never had a great defense or offensive line. He made a couple of horrible draft picks when he had the chance. He should have spent 9 years working his way up from quarterback coach to offensive coordinator under a good head coach before getting his shot. I don't think anybody else has ever gone from being a player to getting a dual head coach and GM job. I don't think there are any dual head coach and GM's in the league today. It's too much for any one man. Unless you don't want him to live long.

[@thedishjockey]

The fact that he didn't even think of any racist implications to using a whip as a prop is further proof that there wasn't a racist bone in his body.

[@SaunKrystian]

Bart was exactly that... He went to Lanier High in Montgomery Alabama

[@dnasty312]

2:25 I'm also thinking of a certain Princeton alum 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😶

[@joboots007]

Ulysses Grant…..brilliant general,not so much as a president . Sorta like saying the same 2 Bart Starr…..awesome QB,could never get it right as a coach!!!!!!!

[@matthewdaley746]

William Tecumseh Sherman, begged him, not, to get into politics, his administration, ultimately, saw, the annihilation of Native Americans, postponed by, The, Civil War.

[@matthewdaley746]

@Matt Joseph The biggest reason, for, this is that they possess innate talent which most players, simply, don't have, and, they, don't, know/care, about this, rather, critical distinction.

[@matthewdaley746]

@Matt Joseph Yeah, expecting players to be as talented as you, only makes a tough job that much tougher, and, your frustration shall, inevitably, boil, over, onto the field, simple as that.

[@brettfavreify]

The worst moment in Bart Starr's career was not using his timeouts in his last game with a playoff berth at stake.

[@thatsmrtguy4935]

RIP Bart Starr although this was not his finest hour

[@SuperPrince1007]

If there's one person on this earth who is NOT a racist it was Bart Starr. He played with many Black Players in the 1960's & loved them. Bart Starr wasn't a bad coach he was a mediocre coach. Since he was a disciple of Vincent Lombardi we all expected him to be a far better coach than he was.

[@vince065us.2]

Mr. Starr was a man of godly character. Lombardi was one who didn't take anything from anyone.

[@johnnysama]

Outside of a 1982 playoff appearance and win, Starr as a coach was, well, feh.

[@gb6710]

I just love when you do Packers videos.

[@johncate9541]

Just a very, very bad error in judgment. As you said, there is overwhelming evidence that Bart Starr wasn't a racist. He was a great player who was a crummy coach, and thinking this was a good idea was just one more example of that.

[@forestgeorge8855]

I doubt he thought of the presupposition of how a African American/Black Person would think of it. He was probably just thinking of cowboy mentality of keeping his herd in line. However, that is something I would have owned up to and tried to apologize for. I doubt Starr was racist or bigoted based on his track record; but the cowboy/John Wayne mentality was there and it backfired even in 1980. And I actually guessed this one unlike the other time we had to guess. I thought either a belt or a whip and yeah … I’m a moderate conservative white guy and even though Romans used whips too … Black People aren’t going to think of Rome. They are going right back to recent history. Again, I doubt Starr was even thinking of the implications outside of getting his crew in line. But yeah, I wish there was a record of him recanting that outburst.

[@brianarbenz1329]

Wow. I've always known Bart Starr as epitome of a fine human being and the best QB ever -- a rare combination. As a player, he even cautioned teammates to toss their sweaty jerseys into the bin neatly so that the boys who worked as managers would have an easier time. I'm sure he would never make a racist move. He undoubtedly was just too high strung in a moment of anger, like often happened during his difficult coaching years. It's another reminder of the value of knowing your limits. He really should not have gotten into head coaching. A general manager, a QBs coach, a recruiter -- he probably would have been ideal for those.

[@tjones5719]

I thought it was going to be a noose, that would have been worse.

[@redmustangredmustang]

He was a great player for the Packers just sadly a bad coach, but he got to coach for 9 years and probably one big reason why was because he was such a good player for the team and he did get them to the playoffs in 1982.

[@tuckerb2141]

@jaguargator9 you HAVE to make a video about the jack del rio story. An axe swing gone wrong?!?

[@ethelhughes-wynn7328]

I just finished looking at His life story on SEC ESPN station from his childhoid to his college to the NFL this man had a lot of ups and downs but never gave up and really I feel the doctor that did not close up that vein on Mr.Starr really ended his NFL playing on the fields being a coach was not his cup of tea this made was built for being out on the football playing ground and about being Racist that nothing new you have it everywhere and will be everywhere forever to our dying day RIP Bart Starr

[@johnbraun1607]

Gotta talk about Racism after he's dead... Why

[@kgizzle92]

Ricky Patton was born in 1954…at the time of his birth there were still people alive who had been born slaves!

[@arus64]

Tbh the worst prop i could think of someone bringing to get their attention across was a dead body

[@spartacus3250]

8:40, I'm just gonna guess he's about to bring out a whip

[@theodorerooseveltsantlers270]

Looking at the Starr whip incident in 1980 with the politically correct lens of the 2020s is laughable.

[@bradleysample3246]

Bart got the job with no coaching experience

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

Actually, Bart Starr was quarterback coach under Dan Devine in 1972.

[@bradleysample3246]

@@armorybrunotjr.3204 He coached Scott Hunter(that did'nt turn out to good)

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

@@bradleysample3246 In essence, what led the Packers to the 1972 NFC Central Division title was not the passing arm of Scott Hunter, but rather the bull elephant running of John Brockington and MacArthur Lane. When the Packers really needed the passing game was in the NFC Divisional Playoff against Washington. The Redskins had a five man defensive line stopping the mercurial Brockington. Hunter threw erratically in the Redskins 16-3 win.

[@jackmessick2869]

I can't believe the Giants and the Packers played a Monday night game in the 1970s. I thought those games were supposed to be "Marquee" matchups! Both teams were lost that decade.

[@johnliberty3647]

Quick history lesson: Whips where prominently used by ship captains to whip sailors who refused to work on the ship. If your first thought is about race it's your own misunderstanding of history.

[@JayTemple]

My first thought was the Roman empire. (Most films about the life of Christ depict him being whipped, or at least Pilate ordering it.)

[@Mustafa777.]

Okay but we’re not Great Britain. This is America where many of its people were direct descendants of slaves. You’re just being a smartass for the sake of it

[@MightyDuckofAnaheim200203]

In Bart Star coaching career the worst lost in Packers history was in 1980 against Chicago Bears losing 61-7 that’s really

[@briannearey8902]

I don't think he was racist,I think he tried to be too much like Lombardi and that time had passed...He also looked like he had no personality and couldn't relate to the evolving modern player,and expected every player to be like the 60s Packers.

[@Keyser___Soze]

You kept saying “he brought the worse possible thing” “you can imagine exactly what that was”. Well I couldnt think of one thing that so extreme and outrageous. The only thing I could think of was probably a noose (racially bad), or a gun (all around bad) or something. I understand how bad bringing a whip is but you think a whip is so far above and beyond anything else that we would automatically just know it has to be that?? Ever hear of a noose? Swastikas? Etc? I didnt even think of a whip and there could be many thing you can consider absolutely outrageous or insane or whatever. Yeah a whip is absolutely awful but its not this one thing that far exceeds everything else. If anything I would think that would be a noose if you have to pick one or try to think of one. Im just saying the way you phrased that was weird and I thought you might not even mention exactly what it was because you were so admit about how it could only be one thing thats the worst possible thing ever that you must know what it is and theres nothing else that could even be close. Which is actually so vague and i would like to know, without knowing a anything about this story how many people actually guessed a whip because i bet you its not a lot of people at all. Which proves how you phrased it was odd like everyone should automatically know without even thinking about it for a second.

[@teen_laqueefa]

Ffs, rambling on about vagueness and getting to the point you compete with JG9 in lack of brevity. Please next time talk about the context a little more

[@josephhouk6703]

I lived through this. I got his autograph at St. Norbert the year before this incident happened. The 1970's sucked for the Pack, but the 1980's... weren't much better.

[@animemaster4861]

I don't even see why they got offended by this because the only people that had any reason to get offended by that whip we're long dead. People in that room hadn't had any experience with slavery. To them it should have meant nothing. Like do they not understand he was trying to make the point he was the coach he was in authority. And he was tired of their mediocrity. There's no difference what race anybody was bringing a whip into anything because there's no one who should be offended by that.

[@karlcooper7016]

I have never heard this said about him until this video.

[@hazmatt8349]

"Whats the worst thing you can imagine?" I dunno, a whip I guess. _Oh no_

[@JayTemple]

Honestly, at this moment I pictured a noose, only because a cross wouldn't even make sense. Curt Schilling may have influenced me there.

[@Colt-ii4qn]

Funny how people talk crap and try to get you canceled even when you’re dead. He was a first class guy 😐

[@karlcooper7016]

This is a very strong accusation to make about somebody yet people throw this term around now days like loose change.

[@jjreider8668]

There are lots worse things I can think of than a whip. Though a whip is pretty damn bad.

[@wewin03]

You could say he spiked that meeting into the ground.

[@phoradio1277]

I bet Jimmy the Greek's comment makes kids give up their shoelaces if this is all it takes.

[@matthewdaley746]

A comment about slavery got him fired, Brent Musburger understood the network's decision, but, deeply regretted its outcome, rather, understandably.

[@josephnicolino8529]

So was Indiana Jones racist for using a whip?

[@sqd37l]

so there was snowflakes way back then??? people need to get over themselves. bringing a whip to a meeting as a prop is a non-issue.

[@Unknown-bq9id]

Using the whip in front of mainly African-American players was a really bad look for Bart Starr, but I don't think he was racist either, IMO. OTOH, he would be trashed for this on Twitter nowadays...

[@violentshemp7776]

"it blows my mind how starr didn't even think about this for a second" because bart wasn't a racist and didn't look for racisms in EVERYTHING unlike some do. also, you forgot to mention the bart's 'rawhide boys ranch' (sounds kinda cowboyish) which helps at risk kids of every race.

[@porterwake3898]

Exactly. The woke left still believes Europeans literally took Africans out of Africa (they didn't), only Africans were enslaved, America was the first and only country to enslave anyone, and that everything is racist.

[@James-hd4ms]

I think the poor teams had a lot to do with his record.

[@thomasnorman4221]

He shoulda passed on coaching gig...

[@roo2127]

Ok this story is a great illustration which shows the lack of education. yes, whips were used in slavery in America but whips go much fiurther back in time long before the Americas so to only use it all (cherry picking of its significance) where it suits one or to show the lack of world history is petty and over reacting at the highes level. Nice clickbait vid. Enjoy the lack of depth and shallowness this vidoe provides. I am surprised the undermining that was going on was not more of an issue as it seemed someone was out to get that job. One simply had to wait with the way that team was lead and composed of coaches who were unable to get anything done.

[@67marlins]

The minute anyone uses the word, 'racist' ( as of 1990s )..... two things emerge: That person doesn't even understand the word, 'race', as there's only ONE RACE - The Human Race. You could have looked it up for the past 30 years..... Any attempts to create victimhood are thus by definition, DISCRIMINATION, which of course can be an actual problem, ( though not surprisingly ALSO a misappropriation of a word......). The second point is as a direct result of professional victims ( Jesse Jackson, for example ), the instant anyone whines, 'racist', everyone from moderates on outward reflexively dismisses the 'complaint', thanks to those who have desperately clung to and invoked it for years at EVERYTHING, and thus everyone else who's sick of hearing it as an excuse. Now, the word is a punch-line and meaningless joke. Simply put, because professional victims have been crying the word, now nobody cares or believes them. It's the boy who cried wolf- the result is nobody cares. At all. Our narrator says he doesn't believe Starr did anything discriminatory, so the point is.....just hyperbole, click- bait and feigned outrage. More simply - if the players around the incident saw it for a meaningless non-issue.....why is someone trying to create a problem now? Exactly. ....

[@saj8]

Sounds like a bunch of excuses to justify that incident to me.

[@67marlins]

@@saj8 Sounds like you failed reading comprehension.

[@alistairfannell6694]

Bob Knight did the same thing

[@matthewdaley746]

He did far, worse, things, but, ultimately, he committed the, worst, sin of all, he stopped, winning, that, more, than, anything else, sealed, his fate, but, make no mistake, that, was, the correct decision.

[@CrazyGamer-og5nv]

I don't agree with his actions at all, however haven't all of us made a bad choice then after the fact asked ourselves "What was I thinking?!"

[@kenhill3230]

I feel like it was just a bad idea. People try to assign bad motives to something that was not considered that way so much at the time. One of my first jobs was as a stocker for Winn-Dixie in the 80's. We used the whip crack motion as saying we got the crap worked out of us. We did not feel animosity towards anybody. It was just a thing and we had blacks and whites. We were a team. Today people get butt hurt, and scream whatever ism at anything they do not like.

[@TheJimmyStDenisShow]

Do stadiums that never happen and if u do it will u give me a shoutout

[@karlcooper7016]

This could have just been a general message that he was unhappy about their performance afterall he did have white players I will reserve judgment on this one and I'm black.

[@karlcooper7016]

I guess you have to be open to the possibility that he was a racist but I always heard nothing but good things said about him.

[@bobma6342]

Yeah I thought of that. He may just have been a good actor all those years.

[@chriskay1449]

@@bobma6342 Wow the stupid here. You don't go through 85 years of life without getting outed as a racist if you are one. Racists cannot hide it for that long nor do they want to hide it.

[@markfahley2152]

So utter bs not everyone and everything is racist...

[@tommylord]

Such negativity. Get over it.

[@ShrexyGuy]

Ignorance can breed racism, but it isn't inherently racist to be ignorant about a different culture. Differences aren't always known and it can cause miscommunication, and misinterpreted opinions too. Especially in an era where America was still truly becoming the melting pot it is today. But to think whips, which where used in slavery but much more in rancher's lifestyles is more than ridiculous. I get the discomfort some black players could feel but it's not racist of Starr. Now if he separated black players from the rest then brought out the whip I'd change my opinion in a heartbeat lol

[@singingchef23]

You contradicted yourself. You expect black kids to identify with the whip from the ranchers POV but not Starr to understand the racist background. The responsibility lies on the person in power not the other way around. I as a leader have to understand that while most people I work with eat beef and bacon, the few that dont need to be accommodated.

[@ShrexyGuy]

@@singingchef23 where did I say that I expect anything? I said I get the black players feelings🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Toddie_Royal]

Ill never forget the civil war... The north vs .... the cowboys? You literarily stated he had a cowboy picture in his office and then reference the bull whip... Another wasted video of absolute bull shit...

[@porterwake3898]

Stay woke.

[@karlcooper7016]

How does the old saying go you can't always go back home.

[@alice_evermore]

WTF? 🤔

[@darreljones8645]

I disagree with your assessment. There was one worse thing Bart Starr (theoretically) could have brought to that meeting: Nazi paraphernalia.

[@williamsanders2439]

Some great players turn out to be decent or even great coaches, such as Dan Reeves and Forrest Gregg...others, not so much. Add in the pressure of winning, particularly in a legacy franchise, can lead to bad decisions or worse.

[@VinnyXwolf]

Things were looked at differently in 1980 then 2022. It sounds to me more like a disgruntled player. However in 1980 an accusation likes this might have resulted in a question to Starr and that's it. In 2022 he would have had to resign in disgrace. So reporting on this video from the mentality of someone born )ong after this generation I feel your not as objective as you could be.

[@garrettburch995]

Oh for Fucks sake lol

[@carloscolon3331]

Interesting very interesting