Dumb Decisions: The STUPIDEST Penalty Acceptance EVER | Rams @ Falcons (1980)

[@pronkb000]

Vin Scully wasn't really one to call out coaching or managerial moves in-game. So if *he*'s jumping on that decision, it was bad indeed.

[@christopherengel7436]

Too true. If a gentleman like Scully is fighting the urge to call you a moron on live TV.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Only time I heard Scully blatantly calling out a decision was as Game 6 of the '86 WS was going to the bottom of the 10th..you could hear him say as they go to commercial "if he's good enough to bunt, how they didn't have Howard Johnson" (cuts off at that point but you can figure out the rest if you remember how the game went). Others he characterized as "roll of the dice" like PH Gibson in Game 1 of 1988 WS

[@aaronholcomb237]

Was he the one who second guessed the Dodgers for pitching to Jack Clark in the 1985 NLCS when first base was open? Clark hit a home run in that situation.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

@@aaronholcomb237 Yes-"well, Tommy Lasorda got the answer to his rhetorical question 'do I walk this so and so to get to Van Slyke'"..

[@anthony0358]

Oh wow I remember this game. The result of this game meant the Rams had a rematch with Dallas in the wild card game. The Rams beat Dallas in the 1979 divisional playoffs. Dallas ended up beating the Rams and the Falcons before losing to Philadelphia

[@matthewdaley746]

That, was, the, Cowboys', last, legitimate, shot, at, a, SB, Danny, White, was, really, good, alas, never, quite, good, enough.

[@JedForge]

@@matthewdaley746 It was HoFer Tony Dorsett that fumbled twice and dropped a perfect pass in that game. Neither QB had a great game as both defenses played well. The next year was the Joe Montana to Dwight Clark game. The year after that White was put out of the game early. The season after that he lit up the Skins though the rest of the season wasn't so great. White wasn't Staubach, but he was definitely good enough. He didn't have near the support that Staubach had and other teams were beginning to figure out Landry's schemes and he refused to adapt. Love Landry (I think some Cowboys' fans still pray to him) but his lack of adapting late in his career is what eventually sunk him and the team.

[@matthewdaley746]

@JedForge Other, franchises, adapted, better.

[@JedForge]

@@matthewdaley746 Agreed

[@matthewdaley746]

@@JedForge His era just concluded.

[@danielbowden6330]

First, I'd like to say how great this channel is. Second, I wonder how the Rams were motivated to go 12-4 despite this level of coaching. Talk about demoralizing for your defense after they were going to hold them to three points and held them to 13 over the entire game!

[@NewDayNY917]

Beyoncé, Kelly, Latavia and Latoya would be proud of your referencing 😁

[@wallyman292]

Man, this was a bad call! I'm just your average fan, but it seems to me the 2 choices between rejecting or accepting the penalty boil down to1) concede the 3 point field goal, or 2) concede the 3 point field goal, but give them another chance at a touch down first. smfh. . .

[@nasetvideos]

Great video. You did a wonderful job laying out this story. And I'm glad you raised the Dolphins' story from over the weekend. Always take 4th and 11 and not 3rd and 21--But you're right, it was a preseason game so I'll cut the coach some slack. The video presented today about the regular season game and its impact was awesome. I remember this 1980 game and Malavasi's decision. Great job today and its impact on the NFC West.

[@duelist301]

Ironically, it's statistically better to take the penalty in the Dolphins case. 4th and 11 has a 25% chance to convert; as where 3rd and 21 only has a 12% chance to convert.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Yeah I actually watched the end of that game too after watching an uneventful Truck Series race at Richmond.

[@kyleolson8977]

​@@duelist301 It likely wasn't a mistake, but people are too caught up in "two chances" to look at the total odds of the chances. This isn't 4th and 6 vs 3rd and 11. 3rd and 21 is a very tough conversion with two tries and the chance to get part of it in each play. Even if this exact game state with the 4th and 11 better for the Bucs than the 3rd and 21, maybe because of the personnel on the field or other facts, it's not going to be tremendously better to pass on the penalty. And it would be less of a mistake than most coaches make not going for it on 4th at least once every game.

[@dangeiger9796]

The only time you could consider something like that is if the other team is on the edge of field goal range

[@denisceballos9745]

Great to hear Vin Scully and George Allen on the call. Allen knew, right away, that that was an egregious mistake by Coach Malavasi.

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian is back after a nice long vacation out of town! And he will remind everyone you made a video about how Texans Coach David Culley declined a penalty that made it 4th and 2, then punted. He will also remind everyone you made a video about the second Falcons-Rams game that year, and how that game saved the career of Rams Kicker Frank Corral. Speaking of Corrals, 16:41!

[@dangeiger9796]

You should make a video in defense of Bill Belichick’s fourth down decision against the Colts

[@russellseilhamer4552]

I’ll defend it to my dying day. Peyton Manning is the ONLY QB on earth that justifies a 4th and 3 conversion attempt in your own territory with a lead. You gotta move the chains, you cannot under any circumstance give this ball to Peyton with even 45 seconds to play and a timeout. Manning would get so hot especially in the 4th qtr of games. Sometimes the only defense against Peyton is a good offense that keeps him off the field. Even then, not guaranteed. The Dolphins in one game had 43 minutes of TOP to the colts less than 17. Manning still won. In that game you mentioned, the Colts had scored on 5 straight possessions. The Pats weren’t even offering resistance at that point.I’ll defend Belichick to the death on that 4th and 3 decision

[@williamrogers7974]

Yep, Belichick made the "better" of the 2 options, and the football dinosaurs couldn't understand it. "You punt the foitball from deep in your own territory", they think using terms like "punt the Football" as if we weren't sure what style sporting ball it was that they were playing with

[@SaskRider2]

That third and goal for the Falcons, that was William Andrews getting the handoff, not Cain.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Yep-Cain was number 21, Andrews 31.

[@ciesaro]

Georgia Frontiere stuck with Ray Malavasi for two more seasons before hiring John Robinson

[@isaacshaver6218]

Bub I can watch your channel all day. Love the obscure history,facts, and statistics.

[@richardadams4928]

8:30 I had all but forgotten how much I DESPISED the overly showy and self-absorbed refereeing style of Jerry Markbreit. Thanks for the reminder.

[@matthewdaley746]

Funny, thing, about, him, literally, his, very, first, Game, ever, as, a, referee, was, "The, Holy, Roller," nice, to, know, that, things, were, lousy, right, from, the, start, he, was, truly, doomed.

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

I was surprised to see Atlanta run a T Formation. As far as I know, the T Formation wasn’t a common thing in 1980, even in short yardage situations.

[@ramonmiller7779]

I'm crying. This man wanted a 30 yard sack lmao

[@MinisterManDan]

JG9 is kinda missing the point made. He didn’t think he’d get a 30 yard sack, he thought they sack them back far enough that the kick would be tough enough for them to miss. Kickers sucked then.

[@danangell5482]

Well, now you have to do "decline the penalty and punt" by Rich Kotite with the Eagles.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

Got you covered: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoDNqahuf6mnq6M

[@Onering80]

I still think that the coach that Iced his own kicker was the dumbest decision a coach ever made. Granted it was not a penalty acceptance, but man it was funny.

[@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820]

You are talking about Cowboys v. Cardinals 2011, right? Jason Garrett “iced” Dan Bailey just before he made what would have been a game winning field goal. Predictably, he missed the second one, and the Cardinals went on to win in OT. As a Cowboys fan, I still see that game as the turning point in the season. Going into that game, they were 7-4 and riding a 4 game winning streak. After that game, they had another last second kicking fiasco against the giants, and the wheels totally came off from there.

[@Onering80]

@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820 Yes. I believe that is correct. I know it was the Cowboys coach who iced his own Kicker.

[@mrmoose6619]

Mike McDaniel's decision: This is the pre-season. This is a chance to see guys who are fighting for roster spots in live action, a rare commodity. It's also valuable game film for the players and coaches. Ray Malavasi's Decision: This is the regular season. No excuses. This was not playing to win the game.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Now I hear Herman Edwards famous quote when he was Jets coach...

[@OBESPRING1982]

The 1980 meeting between these two teams played in Atlanta was on 26 OCT 1980, not 08 NOV as the narrator stated.

[@rams1528]

This is a bad memory for middle-aged Rams Fans. It was the end of the Rams dominance of the NFC west. The next year was the rise of the 49er dynasty. They would eventually end up in St. Louis for 22 seasons.

[@matthewdaley746]

There, they would become the, first, team, to, win, A, Championship, in, three, cities, before, possibly, Bringing, A, Curtain Down On Tom Brady, upon their return, plus, a, later, SB, (Cowboys did).

[@taytay8283]

That was 42 years ago y’all are not middle age Rams Fans anymore y’all are old age Rams Fans ….. now 🤣🤣🤣

[@rams1528]

@@taytay8283 I was 10 at the time.

[@AdamJ617]

I was waiting so long for “I’m sorry, WHAT?”!

[@MillionaireWizard]

Ray Malavasi is probably one of the weakest Head Coaches ever to make an Super Bowl Appearance. All he really did was take over the successful team Chuck Knox had built before to Super Bowl XIV. Bill Callahan is a close 2nd.

[@mattcasey5991]

Didn't realize how inept Callahan was til he took over Nebraska and lost to Texas tech 70-10. And this is like 04 way before Texas tech was good and when Nebraska was coming off being a powerhouse

[@ciesaro]

The pass from Vince Ferragamo to the late Billy Waddy against Dallas in the 1979 playoffs saved Ray Malavasi's bacon

[@matthewdaley746]

@holykuhrap Bill Cowher, and, Mike Tomlin, are, just, like, John Madden, perennially, great, coaches, that, Perpetually, Played, Down, To, The, Level, Of, Their, Competition, which is why they will all finish their careers, with, the, same, number, of, SBs, coincidence, I think, not.

[@matthewdaley746]

Chuck Knox's, only, notable accomplishment, was, squandering Curt Warner, and, ruining a, possibly, HOF, career, though, to be fair, playing in, The, Kingdome, definitely, didn't help.

[@frankdux3605]

If you’re going this route, then you have to put George Seifert on top of the list. He took over those Niners teams built from the ground up by the legend Bill Walsh

[@_i_don.t_need_a_unique_handle_]

16:10 - I think you got a little disoriented yourself. I believe you meant to say "It was NEVER a 10 yard penalty, but you thought it WAS a 10 yard penalty."

[@marcus813]

This is a vivid example of how the little things can become big things and bite you in the ass. That little thing from Malavasi cost the Rams the division title. After two miserable seasons following his club's 1980 runner-up finish in the old NFC West, it was curtains for him.

[@christopherengel7436]

This is probably one of the worst "Dumb Decisions" ever. At 18:28 it looks like the refs is explaining to Malavesi that he's doing the wrong thing. I was wondering why I never heard of Malavesi having another Head Coaching gig. So that answers that question. Also I have the strange feeling the Dolphins are in trouble.

[@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii]

"It was at that point I had the right to remain silent...but I didn't have the ability"

[@goldeneve]

And that’s how we lost the 80 nfc west

[@patrickcarrillo714]

I miss when the Rams used to play in Anaheim stadium. I grew up in Orange during this time and as a kid my parents would always buy me season tickets to both the Rams and Angels and during this time I would always ride my bicycle down to the stadium to watch the games. Good times Eric Dickerson was my favorite player on the Rams during this era

[@samright4661]

That was William Andrews not Lynn Cain on the 3rd down running play

[@derekcabanaw1789]

I was really to scream "How do you not give the ball to William Andrews in that situation?" until I watched that sequence a second time.

[@gluserty]

I'm glad JagGator admitted that he's crazy, as the first step on the road to lucidity is transparency...I'm just kidding, keep up the informative & humorous work!

[@kyle1910]

That was on October 26, not November 8

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

You're correct. I don't know why I said the wrong date, but I was unable to catch it in time before it went live. The updated correction is in the description

[@ravenheaven2425]

I believe the actual date was October 26th. They didn't even play on November 8th but they did on November 9th in 1980.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

You're correct. I don't know why I said the wrong date, but I was unable to catch it in time before it went live. The updated correction is in the description

[@andrewschultz6608]

Back in 2000, Purdue's Joe Tiller accepted a holding penalty against Michigan in the first half. Drew Henson had been carving Purdue up all half and it was 21-10. It went from 3rd and 10 at the 15(?) to 3rd and 20, instead of 4th and 10 with an incomplete pass. Henson threw a beautiful pass touchdown. Coach Joe Tiller, when interviewed, said "That was the coaching staff's fault. We'll have to apologize to the players." Drew Brees led a comeback from down 28-10 at the half to win 32-31 on a last-second field goal. So that's when a bad decision made for one of the most wonderful comebacks in a team's history. But that's not how it usually happens.

[@capt.tuttle6292]

Coach Ray should have just stopped after, "I screwed up." After the lame explanation that he thought the Falcons might be pushed out of field goal range, he is destined to be remembered in history as a "Dumb Decisions" video by JaguarGator9.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

Welcome to Dumb Decisions

[@rhardee8]

Love the Falcons from 1968 and still going! ❤

[@paulweston8408]

How about a video on times NFL games had parts of movies/TV shows filmed during some part of a game. Black Sunday, The Dark Kight Raises and Heaven Can Wait come to mind. With your great research capabilities I believe you could make an amazing video UNLESS you already have and I've overlooked it. Thank you for another great post.

[@mgb4692]

DKR wasn't filmed during part of an NFL game. It was made up to look like the Seahawks/Steelers home opener (being it was filmed at Heinz Field--or Not-too-sure Stadium or whatever the hell it is now) It had Big Ben, Hines Ward, and a couple other Steelers--also had the mayor of Pitt at the time, Luke Ravenstahl (who was the Gotham Rogues kicker, that's kind of the first clue), but that was it. Besides, those were filmed at the end of the lockout in July 2011, so they couldn't have done anything if they'd wanted to.

[@DNSKansas]

The Rams won 15 consecutive games at San Francisco from 1966-80, a record for a visiting team. The Patriots were 15-1 at Buffalo from 2004-19, losing only in 2011.

[@Maguffin604]

Vin Scully on the call!

[@dmitrifailla6408]

Ray Malavasis "Predecessor" George Allen fired after 2 preseason games in 1978 on color

[@RetroJR3379]

I screwed up but it was still early in the game. I took a risk and it bit me in the rear. That how I would've said if I was the coach

[@brianbuster9875]

Please do a video about the 1980 playoff.Dallas at Atlanta Ed Too Tall Jones jumped off sides.And the Atlanta center didn't have the presence of mind hike the ball.Ed Too Tall Jones got back across the line of scrimmage in time. Falcons blow a 14 point 4th Quarter lead.I have heard Bartkowski talk about this play on KZbin. I know I know 😉😜 At least I wasn't a 28-3 lead 😂😂😂😂

[@matthewdaley746]

How, about throwing, for, a record number of passing yards, in, a, SB, and, coming back from a huge deficit, to take the lead, but, losing, to a career backup, and, all, because, you're too pigheaded to take the sack.

[@brianbuster9875]

@@matthewdaley746 ?

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@brianbuster9875 SB 52, on, the, strip-sack, if Tom Brady just harmlessly goes, down, the Patriots maintain possession, take the lead, and, the Eagles lose, however, he figured, he'd, either, make a perfect pass, or, somehow, be bailed, out, by the officials, you know the rest.

[@brianbuster9875]

@@matthewdaley746 oh ok

[@matthewdaley746]

​@@brianbuster9875 Tom Brady, also, got a total pass, for, forcing the ball when he absolutely shouldn't have, (which, NEVER, ends, well), and, "forgetting," to shake, The, Winning, QB's, Hand, (for, the, THIRD, time), those, are, two, things that you're taught back in elementary school, STAY CLASSY, TB12.

[@Damned_DasKar]

Marty Mornhinweg did the same thing in 2002 during a week 12 matchup against the Bears in OT. You'd think taking the wind instead of the ball in OT was questionable, but then accepting a penalty to give an opponent another shot on 3rd down in OT... wow. Backfired badly.

[@matthewdaley746]

Jim Leyland did the same thing in, Game Two, of, The, 2013 ALCS, leading, the, Playoff Series, 1-0, and, leading by, four runs, late, the bases, were, loaded, and, David Ortiz, was, up, unfortunately, he didn't want to get booed by, The, Fenway Faithful, for, walking him, intentionally, additionally, his ego wouldn't allow him to gift the Red Sox a run, so, he pitched to him, you know the rest.

[@Fireyninjadog]

Could've won the nfc west with a win

[@cwf081166]

Malavasi was expecting Atlanta to screw up.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Thought the voice of the ref was familiar-number 9, Jerry Markbreit (referee for Super Bowls XVII, XXI and XXVI).

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

PS Regarding the Falcons win prior to this game you have to remember that this was the year of the "Aints" where N.O. fans wore bags over their heads due to the inept play of the Saints who lost their first 14 games before finally getting in the win column vs the Jets.

[@jeffanderson3962]

The Dolphins "coach" looks like he belongs in an AV room somewhere

[@d0nKsTaH]

Mike McDaniel doesn't look like a head coach. More like a manager of a Dollar General...

[@mrg8581]

Assistant manager

[@mdoerty13]

Could the Rams have declined that penalty? I am guessing from context, they could. But today, a lineman jumping is an automatic call.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

It wasn’t a false start, so they could’ve declined it

[@scottybbadd]

My knee jerk reaction is to agree with you but not for the reason you think. Oftentimes in college the offensive team will take a delay of the game penalty, in order to get a better angle on he field goal attempt. That would be the best worst case scenario.

[@JoeBobTarheel]

JG9 is going WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH

[@christmashake8968]

Honest question: are there any plans to cover the Seahawks' infamous Super Bowl goal-line pass as either a "Dumb Decision" or "In Defense Of" episode? I feel like there's an argument for it to be either/or, and I'd like to have a little more peace of mind knowing whether or not New England just made a better play than us, or whether we truly beat ourselves.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

I feel like every possible angle has been covered for that. There’s nothing I feel I can add that hasn’t been said already

[@williamrogers7974]

Patriots had very little chance of stopping "Beast" Lynch on that play.... So I think you can only say it was bad, bad call. 3 things can happen when you pass and 2 end game

[@mgb4692]

Although it is timely to revisit with the $49M quarterback having been the one to throw the pass, a fact lost to history (as if Russ went out for that play and T-Jack got his shot at SB immortality) Plus it has one of the most iconic aftermaths in history, with the Patriots losing the next two to the Hawks.............wait for it............. On the 1-yard line

[@classicrockbeagle]

Thing is, the yardage meant nothing. Mazzetti would have easily made the FG even if the pass was incomplete

[@lookonthebrightsideoflife5200]

The Rams had won 7 straight division titles heading into 1980.

[@pronkb000]

The crazy thing is, after that TD, Mazzetti actually missed the PAT. Fallacy of predetermined outcomes and all that, but there's a shockingly good chance that he misses the FG even if he takes it from the 2.

[@Ragnar009]

Maybe he was hoping for a Bob Lily type sack like he got in super bowl 6.

[@yoshifan331]

I agree with the overall point you're making, but just one problem with your argument of why a Falcons interception was unlikely: you're largely basing it on how they played against the Saints, a team that went 1-15 that year and was the worst defense in the league by all measures.

[@guttmana9767]

14:58 for josh Allen, I’d think he has a higher chance of turning it over

[@nickdarr7328]

I wish you would have told the actual yard line on the interception return and where the 1st field goal would have been kicked from. If it's a third and 10 from the 35.and you get a holding call that backs it up to the 45. Especially depending on score and how much time is left. Likewise making a third in one in the red zone turn into a third and 11 against a good running team that will definitely go for it on 4th down. You're kind of implying it's always a mistake taking the penalty on third down and it's not

[@DNSKansas]

The 4-12 Jets won in Atlanta but lost to the 1-15 Saints at home.

[@justinturley7071]

That’s the Jets for you. Hell in 2019, they beat a good Dallas Cowboys team, only to lose to the no win Dolphins.

[@AlexanderJordan-sv7nm]

Looked like they made more than 11 yards on the first play so outcome based not necessarily a bad call

[@footballworld2796]

Disagree, getting your defense/offense more reps is important. Think it was a smart decision. Preseason coaches learn to not care about the scoreboard and keep boys getting reps.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

I completely agree. If this was a regular season game, it’s a dumb decision, but for preseason, get the guys reps and game tape

[@brettshepherd5240]

This rams fan waa 11 but I swear I wanted to destroy Malavasi...I never liked him

[@williamrogers7974]

I disagree a bout Dokphins penalty. It played out how it would play out 90% of the time if I accept it, the clock is also a factor. Remember, they didn't get it on 3rd. Down, so it was the same situation , plus a clock which was a major factor, I argue, he made the correct decision

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Also the Dolphins still won that game the Bucs needed a field goal and missed it after Dolphins took a time out before the first attempt of the kick.

[@StriderHiryu120]

pushing??? 5 yard penalty? wtf

[@daleburrer1546]

If the Rams don’t lose the game to the Falcons 13-10 the Rams win the NFC West and get to host a playoff game instead of the Falcons. But the Rams will have to play the NFC Wild Card Game vs Cowboys at Dallas two weeks after the Rams beat the Cowboys 38-14 at Anaheim Stadium. Cowboys defeat the Rams 34-13 and turbulence hits the Rams for 2 years. QB Vince Ferragamo among others get into a contract dispute with upper management and he bolts for the CFL. The next season Pat Haden starts at QB and the Rams finish 6-10, missing the playoffs for the first time since 1972. In 1982 in which the season was shortened to 9 games because of the players strike, the Rams finish 2-7. Ray Malavasi is fired at seasons end. Sure the Rams went to the Super Bowl in Malavasi’s second season as HC but I wouldn’t call him the greatest HC the Rams have ever had.

[@matthewdaley746]

No, Sean McVay, is, he went into, Tampa Bay, took Tom Brady's, greatest, punches, looked him in the face and, said, "that all you got," to which Tom Brady replied, "yeah, that's about it."

[@dr.roberts4508]

Rookie Coach

[@itz-luigi1210]

Mike martz

[@matthewdaley746]

He got, two, extra weeks, at the, end, of the 2004 season, thanks to Herman Edwards, idiot, a real drag.

[@markgraham2312]

Ray Malavasi was never a good coach. And coaches are not smart people. They are glorified PE teachers.

[@e93sports80]

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