The DUMBEST BROADCASTING CONTROVERSY in NFL on FOX HISTORY | Broncos @ 49ers (2002)

[@nasetvideos]

What blows me away about this channel and the work you do is how you find these stories and report on them so well. How you do it and your ability to present it are incredible. This is another example of a great story that absolutely 99.99% of people have never heard of or remember--Great job. Always such a pleasure waking up to these videos

[@BrandonToledo2010]

Same!!

[@williambryant6175]

1000% agree. I’m by no means a ‘die hard’ football fan, and only follow a couple teams. But I’ll watch pretty much every video Jaguar9 puts out on both this channel and Jaguar8, and have zero regrets. Always incredibly entertaining (Dumb Decisions in particular is a guilty pleasure)

[@Ballinbmac]

He probably just reads archived news articles.

[@jojochas5]

I grew up in Chadron, Nebraska, 90 minutes south of Rapid City. A little further background that might help explain some of the outrage over this situation: KEVN was previously the NBC affiliate for Rapid City from the early 80s until the middle of 1996, when they announced that they were switching their affiliation to Fox. The announcement was made just a few weeks in advance, and the area was nearly left without an NBC affiliate heading into the fall. At the time NBC still held the rights to the AFC package, which meant that Rapid City was looking at not having an option to view the majority of Broncos games. A new station, KNBN, was founded just in time to pick up the NBC affiliation, though it had a lower-powered signal and didn't reach as far (certainly not the ~100 miles to Chadron). My guess is that on top of the error in the newspaper, a significant portion of the offended viewers had that change in the back of their minds as well.

[@bobscott2429]

Chadron, Nebraska is the home of Chadron State College, a Division II school which produced standout NFL players Don Beebe and Danny Woodhead.

[@olofpalme63]

Why was Fox televising a 49ers inter-conference game in San Francisco? I thought CBS had the rights to televise AFC road games against NFC teams, and vice versa.

[@mgb4692]

Sunday flex started as a one-time deal in 2011, then became a regular thing in 2014, and then AFC/NFC designations go away completely next year FOX gets Chiefs/Niners week seven

[@btone310]

Game actually aired onCBS

[@KWCline91]

Man, if the Vikings and Broncos had met in Super Bowl 33, I can't imagine how bad the Civil War in Rapid City, South Dakota would be. Perfect set up for some dramatic movie talking about a Romeo-Juliet-esque rivalry between two fans who bleed Rapid City, but different types of purple. Damn it Gary Anderson for missing the field goal.

[@KWCline91]

@@matthewdaley746 True that. I agree that Denver would still win the game.

[@stevenbauer4799]

rapid city/black hills is bronco country. eastern s d is vike country. and with two known s b chokers one of them had to win. and vikes are weak garbage since they went indoors. no wonder they have been to no s b's since old met stadium.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 yep sad as it is green was another of the many good but not great coaches that just couldn't get a team over the hump.

[@stevenbauer4799]

'did you watch the game. the bears are who we thought they were' even with sexy rexy at qb.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@matthewdaley746 for sure.

[@marcus813]

That newspaper got then-KEVN a ton of unnecessary phone calls. If I were that station's PD, I would've been pissed off. The person doing the paper's sports TV listings should've had a basic grasp on the NFL's TV rules of that era.

[@BillGraper]

I've always known the network rights, until it changed. CBS always had the AFC games, and FOX always had the NFC games. The interconference games went to the network whose team was AWAW, meaning if an AFC team was playing at an NFC team, CBS would have the rights. When that changed in recent times, I questioned it right away. They started a "cross-flex" system, which allows an away team to be flexed to the other network, so the two networks can have an equal amount of games. I noticed this immediately, and questioned it right away. I still remember saying, "Hey! Why is this game on FOX? The away team is an AFC team, so it should be on CBS!" I looked into it & found my answer. In short, people generally aren't that observant. In 2002, if I had seen that game listed on FOX in the local paper, I would've questioned it immediately. It's funny how SO MANY people didn't know about the home/away rule, despite it being listed incorrectly in the paper. I guess a larger percentage of people don't pay attention to details like that.

[@leogetz3570]

Passive fans don't really know it, but us die hards would've know right away!! Also, I think the "cross-flex" thing was because networks would get the shaft some seasons, say if the NFC sucked one year and the best games were the AFC games, or vice versa. Basically, networks want an equal amount of competitive games.

[@MillionaireWizard]

This unofficial JaguarGator9 historian will remind you all of a similar video where residents in Maine were treated to an informercial instead of a college game one day, and then were treated to the wrong NFL game(Colts-Dolphins instead of Jets-Giants) the next day.

[@brix1094fuckhandles]

boo you ain't ctube.

[@mgb4692]

Interesting about 10:22, it was actually Broncos/Vikings in 2011 that was emergency flexed to FOX because they only had two games in the 1:00 slot otherwise after Lions/Saints went to SNF. It was also Chiefs/Broncos in 2013, with a mega assist to injured Aaron Rodgers, that was flexed to SNF or else would have a stayed a 4:05 regional CBS game. And tying the Niners back in here, Chiefs/Niners week seven will be the first AFC-designated 4:25 game on FOX So you could say in a span of over ten years, we just had the four teams that changed NFL TV.

[@MNsportsnut]

When Colts-Patriots was flexed out that week, CBS said it didn't have enough crews and equipment for an extra NFL game, they had College Basketball & SEC Championship on Saturday as well. That's why Broncos-Vikings went to Fox.

[@thebauceman]

Great timing for this video since it was announced that the whole AFC-on-CBS and NFC-on-FOX scheduling setup goes away soon.

[@mgb4692]

That and week seven Chiefs/Niners in SF will be the first time FOX has done an AFC-designated game as their main 4:25 game. They had Broncos/Giants last year (in case Rodgers went to Denver) but that was the B game behind Packers/Saints

[@Ahsfbvox]

Hey JG9, Niner fan here. All of the Niner videos you’ve made recently are very much appreciated. History that is relatively obscure and bizarre at the same time. I was in Vegas at the same time during the draft, wish I could have met you!

[@imrustyokay]

One minor mistake, KELO is in Sioux Falls, KCLO is in Rapid City. Other than that, great video, especially since I'm actually moving to Rapid City pretty soon!

[@82dorrin]

Pete Carroll getting blamed for what happened at the end of Super Bowl 49 is kind of an example. He didn't call that pass play when they should've run Marshawn Lynch.

[@mgb4692]

Funny, cause the midge has never taken any blame *to this day* for it. Hell the Hawks are going to be the first negative win team without him while he wins the Broncos five Super Bowls in four years he's so great. Funny thing is the same media blowing him up now called him a game manager then. Rush has been gone 15 months and he's *still* right

[@WaltGekko]

It was shown later the defense the Pats had set up would have had running Marshawn Lynch shut down at the goal line. That's why they didn't do it. In addition, there was at the time stories going around that if Lynch had scored the game winning touchdown, the NFL was going to heavily fine the Seahawks and take away draft picks because advertisers allegedly did not want Lynch winding up as Super Bowl MVP and trainwrecking post Super-Bowl advertising. While those were proven fans and were easily debunked, some actually believed that.

[@joejay4646]

@@mgb4692lmao, what?

[@joejay4646]

@@mgb4692 That aged really well, russ humper

[@mgb4692]

Um, Russ humper? Yeah, the usage of the term 'midge' really shows I'm on team Let's Ride................ Now, would you like to try again?

[@teen_laqueefa]

These broadcast themed episodes are by far the least interesting to me. I guess I take for granted that I will see my team play being. Between Dayton and Cincinnati I'm guaranteed to see the Bengals since I get both markets broadcast

[@jamallugo6544]

Broncos-49ers game was on CBS in 2002 not FOX

[@olofpalme63]

That's what I thought, just posted it, I remember when the Bears had a home game against an AFC team, it was always televised on CBS, not Fox...and NBC for old school fans like me back in the 70's when the Bears were broadcasted on CBS predominantly.

[@mgb4692]

It used to be set up that way mainly so whoever (CBS/NBC, FOX/NBC, then CBS/FOX) would get a game from every stadium. Then the Falcons had both their interconference home games (vs Patriots and Jets) in 2013 on in primetime so they didn't have a game on CBS that year, though they did have the first CBS cross-flex in 2014 against the Bengals So now it's once again possible for both CBS and FOX to have a game from every stadium, especially with NFC/AFC designations going away next year

[@BillGraper]

@@olofpalme63 I don't think the AFC/NFC assignments to networks started until the 90's, although I seem to remember the AFC games on NBC & NFC games on CBS in the 80's, before FOX was around & CBS did NFC games.

[@olofpalme63]

@@BillGraper ... actually AFL/NFL assignments started in the 60's, NBC did the AFL, CBS did the NFL...when they merged in 1970, it stayed the same with the exception of inter-conference games.

[@caseyjazz7256]

Love the content bro. Happy I found your channel.

[@KCJB22291]

Things I learned from JG9. Wait. The Broncos are the road team. Shouldn't it be CBS? 1 minute later. I was right!

[@jackatkinson3682]

Sometimes ACTUALLY AIRING the "local" team can be just as infuriating, but not the network or affiliate's fault. Sometimes, it's the league itself. Case in point: December 2013. I live in Rochester, NY - Buffalo Bills Country. Because the Bills are an AFC Team, most of their games are shown on our CBS affiliate WROC-TV. Occasionally, a Bills game would be shown on the FOX affiliate WUHF-TV, but that's usually if a prominent NFC Team is the visiting team. Due in part to the NFL's Regional Action Broadcast rules, when FOX doesn't have a double-header that week, WUHF is almost always stuck showing the New York Giants game (or an NFC East rival's game if the Giants are on the road against an AFC opponent and CBS has the rights to it. So why am I bringing up December 2013? Well, it was Week 16 of the regular season where games with playoff implications abounded - except for the aforementioned New York Giants who were dead last in the NFC East. As hard luck would have it, all the games on FOX with massive playoff implications were slated for the 1:00 pm window, whereas the Giants were set to face the also-eliminated Rams at 4:05 pm. Of course, WUHF's hands were tied; they were stuck airing the blandest, most meaningless game of the week. Unlike Rapid City, there is no alternative in Rochester. As is the case with most cities in America, some people who live here loathe the Bills and are into other teams - like the Giants, Jets, Patriots, Browns, or like myself, the Raiders. However, as I said before, THIS IS BILLS COUNTRY - hell, we even host Bills Training Camp every summer (except for recently due to COVID) - so trying to push the Giants as hard as the NFL insists on doing doesn't really make a lot of sense. One would think that given the marketing prowess of the NFL, the league would pick up on this detail after a decade or three, but nope. They keep trying to make The Giants happen around here - popularity, playoff implications, or sheer common sense be damned.

[@markmiller3308]

South Dakota is kinda divided evenly East and West by the Missouri River. Western SoDak, Wyoming, Utah, Western North Dakota, Southeast Idaho, and Eastern Montana tend to lean toward Denver teams. The rest of their states are a mishmash of Seattle, Minnesota, Vegas, and even Portland teams for sports some of those places only have a couple of teams of. Rapid City being in the Black Hills Region is 100% no matter how bad their teams. That is why the Rockies drew so many fans in 1993 and the shortened 1994 Seasons. Denver teams are truly the Rocky Mountain’s teams (well except for Utah in Basketball). Been that way for generations.

[@thomascrowley9122]

I figured that out back then. Hilarious those people didn't and complain 🤣

[@ColeKeleher]

I've actually noticed, over the last few seasons, that there have been lots of cases, in the regular season, of games that SHOULD be AFC games (for example games where the Chargers are the road team, being aired on FOX, and THE SAME DAY, a game where the Cowboys are the road team being aired on CBS. this is backwards, and seems to be happening on the regular. WTF?

[@bas3q]

14:04 "Fact checking is everything" I believe fans of Star Sky and Hutch would completely agree. /s

[@billtooke6642]

Of course today this game could have been a Fox crossflex

[@btone310]

Game was on CBS

[@Jdfuller82]

I don't understand why they check CBS to see if it was on there after seeing it wasn't on FOX. It seems like it would be common sense.

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a TV executive in Lancaster, PA and his brilliant PR announcement as to why he violated NFL rules.

[@djohns808]

Didn't even mention Doug Brien missing 2 extra points

[@augustacovington481]

Jg9 there is an error at 12:50 Kelo is the cbs affiliate for souix falls and kclo is the affiliate for rapid city

[@markmenning1804]

I live in Sioux Falls. Rapid City does not have its own CBS station so it gets CBS from our CBS station here. We are only 15 miles from the Minnesota border so it does not surprise me that they chose are the Vikings

[@patrickramirez3101]

This was not a Fox game it was a CBS. Game

[@Fury325Fan]

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[@krazyeman4]

I'm a Bills fan and I pumped my fist in victory when you said the Bills won their game 20 years ago. I may have problems

[@xavieroszterling9533]

Another great video keep up the good work.

[@leogetz3570]

As soon as you said the Broncos were at the 49ers, I knew it was a CBS game and kinda figured where you were going with this!! Yeah, "fact checking" gone wrong for a newspaper... sure don't see that in today's media do we?? When things like this happen, I sometimes wonder if it's planned by the NFL so frustrated people will break down and buy the Sunday Ticket package to guarantee they see their team

[@66edoug]

Watching the video, I thought that it was the local station just wanting to air another game. I was also annoyed at the way Jaguar showed the replay of the game, the pan and scan and not showing the entire video. Then at 9:10, I felt like an idiot. I've watched the NFL for a long time. I'm ashamed I didn't catch on earlier. Actually should've known from the beginning.

[@e93sports80]

Good Morning

[@kyledamron]

As a Raiders fan, I am a bit of a hater of these two teams. However, in this situation, I'm hoping SF destroys Denver lol!

[@chrisbg99]

I was not aware of how the rights thing works with that the conference of the away team dictates who has the rights.

[@coreylevine8095]

Next year the Rams play the Buccaneers on CBS if it not unflex in November

[@jirolindstein8773]

ok so the canadian tv channle ctv has rights to nfl games, and the local vancouver ctv channel would always show all seattle seahawks 10am pst and 1:05 and 1:25 games but in 2017 week 9 seattle v washington it wasent on the channel, the game that was on was kansas vs dallas

[@krackergrit]

Im in canton ohio im a dolphins fan been a dolphins fan for 33 years im 43

[@kibitznec700]

Better dont talk about dumb things

[@olofpalme63]

...ooops, probably should've watched the entire video before posting a comment below.

[@cehamlet89]

At 5:55, does it say that Detmer (not sure if it's Ty or Koy, I think that's what his brother's name was) threw 7 interceptions in a game?

[@stevenbauer4799]

that's ty a mariucci favorite who he brought to detroit as well. detmer's loved to throw ints. just like the billy joe ints. ditka had with saints.

[@mgb4692]

Was Ty in 2001 vs the Browns, oddly enough the team he played for before going to Detroit

[@mdoerty13]

Speaking of cross-flex, supposedly the new contract will not tie games to networks. All games will be “free agents.” So anyone will be broadcasting anything. That should help prevent these situations in the future.

[@xxxxmattxxxx69]

Hate that concept

[@CTubeMan]

@@xxxxmattxxxx69 Me too, I like some predictability.

[@reverend_wintondupree]

Feels like soon enough all broadcasts will adopt the same graphics packages as well... (e.g.,MLB broadcasts in early/mid 90s, Olympics, FIFA World Cup, etc.)

[@etexbassfreak]

I love entertainment sports so fake and obvious I miss when the nfl was real!

[@stevenbauer4799]

why does this matter? as the afc road team (broncos) it should have been on cbs, not fox according to nfl tv rules in 2002. Also get rid of those virus ads v below gator.

[@chaosgreyblood]

Did you even bother to watch the video in its entirety to see why it happened? And also, if you're watching the video on a mobile device, get something to block out the KZbin ads. That part is not the guy's fault.

[@gregwroblewski7891]

I feel yourvvideos can be a lot shorter if you get to the point quicker. You lose me when you go into an extensive description of background information.

[@DemoManMLS]

Then go watch the condensed 60 second version on Tik Tok. Some of us appreciate the context he gives unlike you short attention span kiddies.

[@theredscum4202]

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