Jim Cornette on The Randy Orton / Tommaso Ciampa Twitter Feud

From Episode 334 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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[@siddhanth3044]

Orton's point still made sense. If every spot is a highspot, then none of them are. If every move apparently hits so hard that you hear such a loud and audible sound, then that means none of the moves are any good coz it takes you so many to beat a guy. These guys dig themselves into deeper and deeper holes where they literally end up having no choice but having to kill themselves and destroy their body to differentiate the normal matches from the big matches.

[@DarkNorthEmperor]

E X A C T L Y

[@MMA-CLIPS2]

Orton should have went with FTR

[@-Trauma.]

@@MMA-CLIPS2 But...Randy wanted that cash. I mean I can tell he had faith that Vince would come to his senses but, now it seems like many are having to face the reality that he is slipping deeper into dementia.

[@CocoWilliamsAJ]

Dream Shake Junya You clearly missed the point here, bud. Randy’s offence is mostly stomps, kicks, & punches. That DDT (which is not a high spot - it’s an impact move from the ropes) is used when it’s needed. It’s not the first thing he goes for. His objective isn’t to “steal the show” and “put on a clinic”. His objective is to win, hence why it doesn’t take him very long to at least attempt to hit the RKO. It wins matches, and he’s trying to win. So naturally, you want to hit the move that wins matches. Not to bring Kenny into this because he’s completely irrelevant to the subject, but the whole ‘Best Bout Machine’ name is just stupid. In a real sport, if a competitor loses, they don’t brag on the internet about how long & good the performance was until they lost. That’s what a lot of the new age wrestlers do. Most modern day matches (Ciampa’s included) are the exact same. They sound the same, they look the same, they’re structured the same. Leg slaps, high spots, running spots, and constant motion. For the love of God, sell!

[@6steveo9]

@@CocoWilliamsAJ A "high" spot is any move or sequence of moves that elicits a high emotional response from the audience. Notice, "HIGH emotional response". So in actual fact a DDT can be a high spot just as much as something as simple as reversing a figure four (which is essentially just rolling over from your back to your front) can be a high spot. Go look at the reaction to the figure four reversal in the Dustin Vs Cody match from a couple years ago. The people came unglued so it was a high spot. So that's where the joke is on most of these young guys today I suppose. They do all this crazy shit and it gets oohs and aaahhs and maybe "this is awesome" but is it genuinely a high emotional response? Does it make them angry or sad or laugh or cry? In my opinion it doesn't so they are taking all these risks for literally no reason. As you say nothing means anything anymore. No-one sells anything.

[@tnbk_andrxw4474]

Ric Flair in the 80s on twitter.. "Popped a molly I'm sweatin. #WOO"

[@aqueelkadri8371]

That sounds like he set fire to his bedroom with a molotov 😂🔥

[@FloridaManRacer]

Ric Flair also in the 80's on twitter: "COCAINEEEEEE #WOOOOOOOOOO !!!!"

[@thelastmotel]

No-one called it molly in the 80s. Hell, no-one called it molly in the 90s or the early 00s, either. It was ecstasy, E, or X.

[@CocoWilliamsAJ]

Randy did an interview explaining the importance of moments, selling, & psychology - and he’s right. After all of these new age 30 minute classics, I can’t remember a single thing. There is motion, but no emotion.

[@punkhippe]

I get the sentiment but it seems misplaced. Like how could you not see traditional psychology in the gargano matches. Johnny was working body parts, caimpa was brutalizing him emotionally and physically, trying to get Gargano to lose his cool and start a brawl he cant possibly win again Ciampa. There is loads of emotion and in ring psychology in that series. When was the last time randy Ortan had a great match? It seems like he does just as little as he can to get by and is over enough that it works. Fair play, there is a lot of skill in that. That said, I really dont by this old gaurd sentiment that kids dont know emotion any more, yeah they do, your just old and cant keep up with the speed of the new generation. You think the old carnies didnt say the same thing about Ricky Steamboat?

[@kingpure9771]

@@punkhippe they didn't. They knew steamboat was gold. And they dont sell anymore kid. When was the last time a wrestler has had a year long kayfabe injury that opponents used against them.

[@cypher787]

the worst parts of the ciampa and gargano matches (and honestly this shit constantly happens in nxt especially) is by like the 20 min mark both guys have kicked out of each others finishers 12 times and after a while that shit gets stale. its like watching brock F-5 roman reigns 7 times in a row and he fucking kicks out. nobody wants to see that

[@planetschlock]

@@cypher787 I can't comment on NXT because I haven't watched them in years, but let's not pretend like Orton didn't have an entire decade worth of matches with Cena where they did fuck all except trade finishers, kick out at 2, and then lay around like they were having a siesta until it was time to trade Attitude Adjustments and RKOs some more. He's not this master in-ring storyteller, he's every bit the boring, paint-by-numbers formula match guy that he trolls everyone else for being.

[@TheMM1215]

I can't remember anything memorable about any match Randy has done for years though too. The best thing he's done in years was that spot with Evan Bourne.

[@kingsosa2481]

Randy is right and nerds are mad. That indy bullshit of focusing on the overly choreographed spots over storytelling is what is killing the business

[@fff1455]

Bruh all of wwe's top guys are from the indies..

[@reallynotmateo8805]

@@fff1455 negative the daniel brayans only get token championships so the fanbase cant say they arent being listened to

[@alphatoddio]

LEG SLAP 101 LOL LOVE THESE THUMBNAILS 😅😂

[@gregorsamsa2271]

I like Ciampa more than Orton, but I have to side with Orton here: the super kick is overused. Also, I don't understand why people are calling Orton "boring". I like his in ring psychology, not everybody must be spectacular in the ring. Orton is very solid, and his wrestling is safe. Slowing it down isn't boring to me, every wrestler is different. What you want more? I don't like the trend we're heading in, where every wrestler who isn't basically doing spots all the time is called boring. Some wrestlers are also exaggerating it with their speed imo. I like to see the story telling back, with great structure.

[@gregorsamsa2271]

@Mister Triple Crown True, true! This is why I respect Orton as a wrestler so much, even though I don't always agree with his actions from the past. But I can't deny that he's one of the best and most successful wrestlers, and that after all of those years he's still so important. He proved that he is consistently good enough - and that's something you can't say about many wrestlers in general.

[@Patrick-ud3vu]

No one seems to remember all the chinlock high spots that Orton used to do!?

[@suprcrzy]

@Mister Triple Crown - Speaking of Thesz and Rogers, I came across this the other day, and loved every minute of it!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/maKseYlmopdsfLc

[@gregorsamsa2271]

@@suprcrzy Damn, thank you for posting that. I love real old school wrestling!! :D

[@gregorsamsa2271]

@Mister Triple Crown Thank you so much, I will watch it! Gagne in general was always so fascinating to me. It's sad that I'm not older, I never was able to see his matches. But I always try to study the history with the territories. I know for example that Verne was responsible for AWA. He even wrestled during the 40's/50's already, right?

[@SuperDevolution]

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since the Black Death.

[@frankunodostres473]

that's wrong. twitter is merely a program. it's the people who are the worst thing

[@BJWFenix]

Give tik tok a chance.

[@VendreadMike95]

Amen. 🖤 But just like the Black Death. It wasn't all bad. Depends on how you use it. The twitter, not the the deathly disease obviously. :v

[@1986jamesa]

@Kwizera Moses How can a southerner. Fixed it for ya.

[@cullencalabria5636]

Have you heard of tik tok? Lol

[@nooneinparticular5273]

I'm tired of spotfests and I'm sick of people pretending kicking out of 2+ finishers per match all the time is storytelling. Spotfests and "5 star matches" and hitting every single move in your arsenal every.match is stupid. Have those wrestlers and their fans never heard of the law of diminishing returns? Sure, a corkscrew sunset flip over the top rope is amazing, but once you've seen the same spot or a similar spot enough times, eventually it's gonna start to stand out less and less because the highpost just becomes standard. When you plan to put on "5 star matches" every single night, you're just devaluing all the stuff you do. Edited: law. Accidentally wrote paw before.

[@jenisia3600]

Well put, this should be the top comment.

[@-BigMike-]

Man that is spot on. Gone are the days of your jaw dropping when you see someone do a frankensteiner. It's not impressive (at all) when you see it 7 times per match. I recently revised the Chi-Town Rumble. That Flair/Steamboat main event was tremendous. I think there was ONE high spot, and after 30 minutes of masterful in-ring work, it made the crowd lose their minds. Now-a-days, Olivier does fucking frakensteiners as transition moves. Just garbage in my honest opinion.

[@drago939393]

Soooo what did you think of Orton/Edge? It definitely wasn't a NXT match but it sure did devolve into a finisher-kickout spam.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

@@drago939393 Thought it was a fantastic match. I'm not against kicking out of finishers entirely, but I am against kicking out of them all the time in every match and I'm against it if it makes no sense. If you took a random selection of lets say 20 modern matches, Indies, WWE, AEW, NJPW, etc. I bet pretty confidently you'd find more matches where a *finisher* didn't actually finish the match, which is the problem. When done for dramatic effect, which is what Edge and Randy did, just barely kicking out of a finisher at 2 is great. Also, Edge and Orton really only hit about 5 finishers between the two of them. Edge hit an unprettier and a spear, Orton hit a rock bottom and an rko before ending things with the punt, which makes sense, because people don't kick out of that. The edge o matic, edgecator and the edgucation are all signatures, which isn't as big a deal if you kick out of in a main event match. It makes sense for Edge and Orton to be able to endure each others finishers, they are two of the strongest booked wrestlers in WWE's modern history. Plus, they told a story in the match seperate from the spots. Telling the story of Orton's methodical, carefully thought out gameplan and Edge overcoming the ringrust and fighting his worries about being back in the ring after 9 years away. Edge had already settled the grudge. He beat Orton unconscious in a last man standing match. Now this was a match between two veterans over the pride of who is the better wrestler. It makes sense they endure finishers here as well, because in story, Edge and Orton both were pulling out all the stops. They were fighting for pride. That's why it took more than just his regular finisher to put down Edge. It took the punt, which is Orton's crisis move. When he uses it, that's the end. They conveyed it all through expressions and some pleasently surprisingly well done commentary. Could they have toned down the finisher spamming a bit? Yeah, but it wasn'tanywhere near as egregiously offensive as when someone like supposed top guy and "best wrestler in the world" (🙄) Kenny Omega has a competitive match with a jobber nobody and the jobber nobody: Jimmy Whogivesashit, kicks out of the "top star"'s finisher. Kick out of finishers for storyline purposes when it makes sense. Not just to pop Dave Meltzer so he gives you more meaningless stars.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

@@-BigMike- I know what you mean. Anytime I have the misfortune of stumbling onto a Young Bucks or Olivier match, or am subjucted to one of AEW's professional jesters like Stunt or Pockets, I end up watching a bunch of old NWA stuff just to cleanse my palatte and remind myself what wrestling really looks like. Guys like Flair, Steamboat and Race, men who understood how to keep their spots valuable and the importance of pacing a match so you don't burn out the crowd. And it sucks that it's like this, because it doesn't have to be. Orton himself proves that you can still get over the old fashioned way. He's never been flashy, his biggest spot is a running punt kick, but he's still one of the biggest stars in wrestling history. The punt is used sparingly and I don't think anyone has ever kicked out of it, so the crowd goes wild for it... well... when there is a crowd. A plain move like the punt kick gets better, more genuine reactions than any one of the Bucks or Omega's flips or finishers because people don't expect to see it and know that when they do, things have gotten very serious. FTR too. If you're convincing and you work smart, you don't need the trapeze act.

[@bwburksiii15]

Randy's not wrong here. Its annoying everyone does the super kick now

[@WeezyD313]

And those stupid ass knees

[@kayoh310]

@@WeezyD313 The leg slap knee sucks. Moxleys running one is cool though.

[@Patrick-ud3vu]

Super kick, sling blade, suicide dives CORRECTION! Multiple Suicide Dives! Canadian Destroyers in AEW. Multiple moves in a row, more flips, super this super that, 7 near fall kick outs, finisher - finisher - steal opponents finisher, near fall, low blow, small package, win.

[@louis3141]

More wrestlers need to do 10min rest holds

[@JuggyBohab]

i'm so tired of super kicks, jumping knees, and canadian destroyers

[@IsaacAtap]

You gotta love Tommaso’s beard in the thumbnail. Super detailed

[@JaculaDudek]

Ricochet slaps his thighs when he does knife-edge chops....

[@johnnyphesto1247]

Jack Doomsday he also slap his opponents thigh. Can’t remember what spot it was, but in the infamous Ricochet vs Osprey match from NJPW a few years ago, Osprey did something like a step up knee strike in the corner, and Ricochet slapped Osprey’s thigh while taking the move lol.

[@Ben-3984]

Ummm Is that were the slap noise comes from 👏

[@PeteUnsigned]

Used to be the slap noises came from the impact over the chop....

[@MrRagingMammoth]

@@PeteUnsigned I've honestly never heard of people doing this with the chop. It's still done the way you remember :)

[@EliC09]

Ricochet is ass

[@stephenrogers4537]

I picked up Ernie Ladd a few times when he came to Chicago to work the amphitheater and the wisdom he gave me was "son it's all about the money if you don't get the money I'm not coming back"🤑

[@ohjaeciii]

*Silence* "Now I've had a stroke, no" lol

[@Blackout-k9f]

OhjaecIII LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Clay3613]

Timestamp?

[@corpyhogan4433]

Everyone can’t fly around the ring like a power ranger Lol

[@theunknownone5990]

I thought that was MVP He's the one who got consistent "power ranger" chants during his initial run

[@maxxdahl6062]

@Stephen Joens Yes it is. If every spot is a high spot, then there are no high spots anymore, nothing is special, and eventually you'll get to the point where guys will have to kill themselves to get a reaction.

[@terryo3512]

I never watched Tommaso and I did...Randy is hilarious 😂. Tommaso also uses Randy's DDT maybe that's why he's mad.

[@justinkroboth360]

That Ciampa artwork is fucking perfect

[@TheMagnificentMongoSlade]

Orton is a troll. We already know this. Ciampa shouldn't have taken the bait

[@mistamaog]

@Stephen Joens Did he really though

[@manuelper]

@Stephen Joens Like you said, likes on twitter don't mean shit.

[@TL2354]

Stephen Joens anyone that bases anything in life on the amount of likes or followers then they need serious help

[@kaigreen5641]

@Stephen Joens in what world did Tomasso win the exchange? Randy savaged him and he had no comeback...

[@num1Jaysta]

Kai Green What does it matter? Ciampa doesn’t wanna go to the main roster anyway so nothing will happen to him anyway....

[@darmawangsa1216]

The Greatest Twitter Feud Ever.

[@tomasgouveia2277]

Lol

[@mja2317]

Not really. Orton buried him in two tweets lol

[@ethanwilkins662]

@@mja2317 It's a joke based off the Backlash buzzword....

[@Baraka_Obama_]

Ospreay vs Seth Rollins was good

[@Xurts]

Sending positive leg slaps

[@zachih3800]

Without getting too much into the thick of it, i think Orton's wife was referring to the fact that Ciampa was taking credit for all of the NXT talent busting their ass, while he himself was involved in a low quality squash match.

[@Nonlifting_breezy]

He's the locker room leader there pretty much. They go to him with advice

[@CallmeA_B]

I'm going to go with Rhonda Rousey's theory: "If it's on Twitter, it's for *them* and if I have something to say to the people I work with, I'll *personally* talk to you." Also, the fact that Orton's *now* made it known he wants to go down to NXT to wrestle 1 fued. *Twitter is a work* 🤔🤨

[@nickmorris9311]

Randy solidifying himself as a legend

[@kellyj5195]

He’s always been the “legend killer”

[@j.m.ziadeh3021]

Talking about high spots, dangerous innovations and Wrestlers constantly trying to one-up themselves in today's Wrestling; I keep thinking back to the "Royal Road" era of All Japan Pro-Wrestling from the early to late 1990's. An era where future legends like Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Mitsuharu Misawa and Jun Akiyama (among many others greats) were inventing new and dangerous techniques (the Burning Hammer or Tiger Driver '91, for example) in the quest of creating the greatest match possible. While the matches from the royal road era helped solidify what many consider to the the golden era of Wrestling in Japan, the toll of these dangerous innovations shortened the careers of many Wrestlers that competed during the era. Two of the most prominent competitors that come to mind are Kenta Kobashi and Mitsuharu Misawa. Kobashi retired in his mid 40's from the damage he sustained during his time in All Japan and Misawa tragically died in the ring after receiving a backdrop to the neck and upper spine; the unfortunate result of years worth of taking similar bumps in and outside of the ring. You'd think the passing of a star of Misawa's caliber would be enough of a cautionary tale for other Wrestlers to re-think their movesets. But, the tragedies continue.

[@KB-qk1ic]

There's also been accidents, injuries, and deaths from guys who biggest spot was a back body drop

[@dwnlg565]

To jim’s point, I’ve been watching wrestling again consistently for about a year and have been wondering how these super kicks and what not sound so damn loud and I didn’t know how it was done until this exchange. 😂

[@LordJuzzie]

Some people are really good at disguising it. With others it's so obvious

[@jekyllynch6168]

The legslap classes line killed me

[@sophroniastrand1904]

I think Jim is right that randy's wife needs to stay out of something that she knows nothing about period

[@JDotWill]

Wow, Randy where’s the heat brother? 😂 I wonder what Hunter thinks about this. Also, Randy vs Ciampa would be a good match in my opinion

[@maxwellpeter5955]

yes,blackheart vs the three most devastating letters in sports entertainment

[@1986jamesa]

@@maxwellpeter5955 .....FTR?

[@wu-tangwizard9993]

@@1986jamesa RKO

[@ChrisWoollett]

@@maxwellpeter5955 RKO.

[@ChrisWoollett]

If NXT ever gets put in a Mixed Match Classic tournament (alongside Raw & SmackDown) then Tommaso Ciampa could do something with Shotzi Blackheart and their tag team name should be The Blackhearts as both of them are Blackhearts in different ways. Keith Lee teamng up with Xia Li needs to happen at some point as "Lee" and "Li" share the same pronoucation. (MLW, [a different promotion] once did a match where Austin Aries & Ace Austin wrestled each other and the MLW Commentary team (which was Tony Schiavone & Rich Bocchini) had to avoid saying "Austin" when talking about the wrestlers in the match. Match aired on August 17th 2019 of MLW Fusion but took place on July 25th 2019 at MLW Never Say Never) Getting back to topic, if Keith & Xia did get teamed up with each other then regardless of who of the two is legally in the ring you will have "Lee" always being legal in the ring.

[@cacolemon1811]

Gargano did that thigh slap on a freakin' headbutt some time ago. I hate that shit.

[@mtorngren15]

Randy sounds upset. Someone give him a hug.

[@sammysmartwizch3184]

Orton was trolling because how his match with edge ended with a leg slap.

[@MMA-CLIPS2]

So instead of the boys getting in fights back stage, in 2020 it's now Twitter beefs?

[@BrotherNero777]

it's not the 80's anymore

[@1986jamesa]

@@BrotherNero777 Everyone in this comment section needs to learn this.

[@emicomel]

Speaking of leg slap, I just had this thought just before im typing this. Drew Mcintyre is a champion. For me, a good one. He can still go. It's still early. He can talk back. Even his smile is dangerous. I do believe Drew can beat anybody by the look of it but he needs to change his finisher. Claymore is the embodiment of the idea of leg slapping. That's irony.

[@jeremywhitman2302]

So silly. for 100 years, wrestlers have been stomping their feet every time they throw a punch. Now you calling out people on slapping their legs??? Come on Randy - still love both of ya'll

[@PeteUnsigned]

A punch doesn't make MUCH of a sound so they'd stomp AS they punched and had the common sense to make it look like the stomp was them shifting their weight for higher impact on the "clubbing blow", but for 100s of years the sound of a CHOP was the sound of the chop....

[@vicentenavarro1190]

Yeah it's a hypocritical argument, but people have to find things to complain about in modern wrestling

[@CarloisBuriedAlive]

1. Stomping is nowhere near as noticeable nor does it look unnatural to do compared to slapping yourself for no reason. 2. GOOD leg slapping is few and far between in modern wrestling. It’s so noticeable now and you don’t even have to look hard for it.

[@kamfisher1714]

If anyone tries to compare Ciampa to Orton they simply just don’t know anything about wrestling or know anything about the culture

[@mja2317]

@Stephen Joens Yeah I love multiple false finishes, speaking in a gruff voice and looking morose. Also I love being 50 pounds lighter than Orton and thinking my beard will make me look tough. Fuck Ciampa. He is exactly what he appears to be. A big fish in a developmental pond who could only succeed in such a situation where his peers are as small or have equally limited charisma. #legslap

[@reversehearse]

@@mja2317 I'm an Orton fan but let's not pretend that his character and charisma aren't limited. Orton's been doing the same act and promo for 13 years. He's a good utility guy who can shine in a well written angle. If you think Orton is some kind of superstar household name then you need a reality check.

[@alexdelarge703]

Eric Gerbeck But Orton is a superstar household name, you dolt lol. He’s one of the most decorated wrestlers of the past 20 years. How’s that rock you’re living under?

[@peterlee6374]

Eric Gerbeck yet every wrestler whose worked with him say randy is one of if not the best workers they’ve worked with.... they say that even AFTER they have left wwe.... All these guys have to do 100 moves a match just to get over randy needed TWO

[@reversehearse]

@@alexdelarge703 You're living under a rock if you think Orton is a "household name." Household names are people like the Rock, Ric Flair, Hogan, Savage...Orton is only famous to wrestling fans. Ask a non-wrestling fan who Randy Orton is and IF they know it'll be "the guy from the RKO outta nowhere memes." That isn't a household name. He is a star and a great wrestler but he is not a mainstream superstar even non-wrestling fans know. Daniel Bryan is my favorite wrestler and I would never try to argue he's a "household name."

[@rath9558]

Leg slap outta nowhere😆

[@32Gknight]

I like Randy as a wrestler and I always will. But he’s like that kid who skips training camp and starts the first game because his daddy is the coach. Orton has been pandered to and put in every position to succeed. He has never had to wrestle anything but his style because he’s never had any adversity in his career. Shave some inches off his height and see how much “charisma” he has then.

[@peterlee6374]

Yes everyone even people who have left wwe and hate on wwe say randy is one of the best.....

[@terryo3512]

Leg Slap 101😂😭😂😭. I gotta watch his matches now to see this leg slap

[@BeaterCar]

Ciampa is an nxt lifer he will never get over on raw or smackdown

[@theworstguitarever1470]

It’s 2020 nobody gets over on Raw or Smackdown

[@FutabaREAL]

Thank god.

[@mja2317]

If WWE was in it's best ever creative period and its highest ever ratings, Ciampa still wouldn't get over. He's a cruiserweight pretending to be a tough guy.

[@richharrington5820]

Nobody gets ever on raw and SD now 😂

[@eastwaters4082]

Orton had his daddy get him into the biz.

[@fernandoencisoestrada1013]

Randy is a treasure he’s gold

[@ikill4klondikebars]

The thigh slaps are why I always hated the Lucha Bros.

[@planetschlock]

Thigh slaps are right up there with guys blading in clear view of the camera/audience.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Tommaso Ciampa looks like a dwarf beside Randy Orton.

[@mja2317]

Straight facts. Survivor Series was embarrassing for every NXT talent except Keith Lee. Even Walter looked like a fat schlub compared to the Raw roster.

[@DoppelgangerShockwave]

That's because Ciampa is 5'11" and Orton is 6'5".

[@TheAwakenedBeing305]

Terr Cain 5’11? He’s about 5’9

[@jamesynfg]

MJ to the A so you complain when guys are small, but you also complain when a guy like Walter is too big? Lmao. Especially considering you just big upped a big guy like Keith. Seems like you just want Cornette to personally like your comments or something.

[@DoppelgangerShockwave]

@@sergf3624 You should google search before talking. Adam Cole is 6'0". And often Ciampa looks taller than Cole. Ciampa probably wears lifts in his boots to get that intimidation advantage.

[@228RENE]

Orton killed him with that response.

[@BWalker9313]

I love what the NXT roster is doing, but Randy’s got a point, I can’t stand the contestant thigh slaps on every single strike, it’s annoying. Watch UFC, an elbow doesn’t sound like that, kicks don’t sound like that, and strikes in general don’t sound like hands clapping together. Make it look real, no hokey

[@ews6724]

Orton buried Ciampa

[@heyyo7431]

2006 Randy would smack the shit out of Ciampa he’s lucky that randy is mature now.

[@RandalfElVikingo]

2008 Orton would've buried Ciampa worse than Kingston.

[@kamfisher1714]

RandalfElVikingo “Buried” kofi wasn’t on Randy’s level stop it

[@RandalfElVikingo]

@@kamfisher1714 But he had a little push that was put short after he wrestled Randy. Of course he was not going to raise above the main eventers of that era, (kind of like Ciampa, if you think about it) buf Kofi was above midcard and he returned there and even below, so it was a burial.

[@kamfisher1714]

RandalfElVikingo You guys think everyone is buried he was not better than hardy,HHH,taker,edge,Cena,Jericho, so many others it’s delusional to think he was “buried” he deserved to be a mid card talent what’s wrong with that? You smarks are pathetic

[@ryankirk7642]

@Andre Ricardo Bryant Kofi wasn't drawing better than Becky and Seth. I can name WAY more people who drew better than Kofi and I actually love Kofi.

[@gqn2]

Ciampa was once a slow mo wrestler, can’t blame Randy Orton because it’s hard to take Ciampa seriously after you saw that.

[@commentcopbadge6665]

"slo mo wrestler"? Please tell me you don't mean what I think you mean by that? You are not literal when you say that are you?

[@gqn2]

CommentCop Badge#666 Unfortunately, I am literal. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpOTenygnp10fNE

[@shooter813]

😲😧😦☹😒

[@josemuniz4454]

Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍

[@SDG.12]

Blandy Boreton being called out by NXT wrestlers is hilarious. Also shows the deep resentment within the WWE locker room. You know what they say abiut Jarrett breaking guitars? Well Randy had like 247 world title reigns and not a single memorable one.

[@1882Stu]

Who has had a memorable title run in the last 15 years?

[@killershadow7752]

Ooh, you like big match jawn huh bіtсh?

[@SDG.12]

Its 2021 and imagine thinking a failed boackball promoter like cornette knows anything about wrestling

[@SDG.12]

Cornette is a grifter trifting off gullible boomers. It's sad tbh.

[@LegendofBure]

I came back to this after Ortons Broken Skull session haha

[@TyrannosaurusThunder]

Randy Orton is one of the biggest names ever in WWE. Tommasino's claim to fame was being chokeslammed by The Undertaker.....15 years ago.

[@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556]

@Kwizera Moses That sounds pretty good

[@DevAngelo]

Old school wrasslers have done plenty of shoot interviews at this point.

[@dickbicycle9304]

That’s because there’s nothing left to keep secret lmao

[@PeteUnsigned]

"Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube...." - Jim Cornette

[@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150]

Raven in full kayfabe during his glory years (1995-1998) would've been... "Interesting" on Twitter... Even his "seven" gimmick could've been enhanced by Twitter, but that might be wishful thinking on my part since the business was so exposed by that point anyway.

[@RagingCookie127]

i Like Randy and Ciampa, they're both kayfabe-keepers and it isn't like Ciampa does superkicks or anything himself. They're both probably in on it and messing with the dirtsheets/marks.

[@thewolfcatbeast3567]

they're kayfabe keepers? LOL while they are breaking kayfabe constantly and making a mockery of the sport constantly?

[@frisco_3855]

I don’t know much about you Jim but I love pro wrestling and I like hearing you talk about it💯

[@jonathanbohm6489]

Rip Mr Wrestling II

[@velocityadventures949]

Leg slap from outta nowhere

[@JacobHari]

Randy style of wrestling is slow and methodical that’s just style of wrestling.

[@paizurifan5963]

Randy Exposing the business for no reason! GOOD JOB!!

[@MrJjburgess11]

Business has been exposed for 30 years. Where have you been ?

[@President_Shin]

Roddy strong has the worse leg slaps, I cringe on them every time they do it. Shawn did it, but for 1 move, they use it for every strike

[@CarloisBuriedAlive]

And Shawn’s leg slaps were so well done. You’d have to really look for it to notice a lot of the time

[@joshct9426]

I cant stand Randy Orton, it's like JC not liking Kenny Olivia

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

Randy is an absolute savage on Twitter. WWE needs to just let Randy be himself on the shows LOL. Dude’s hilarious and just doesn’t give one single solitary shit.

[@NintendoPsycho]

Fuck em.

[@Gavin48]

AJ Styles Vs Daniel Bryan on SD is spot on how wrestling should be done. Storytelling, selling no kicking out of finishers. NXT take notes on that match.

[@paulburney1492]

Erm..there was a finisher kickout in Styles vs Bryan??

[@thecaptain0000]

Jim always keeps it real

[@rajagopal57]

Have seen lots of people complain about Randy Orton matches. I don't think it's so boring, sure it's not like greatest matches but it doesn't put me to sleep.

[@kaigreen5641]

I think it was a TKO victory for Randy, that wrestling school quip was savage

[@TheAJHernandez17]

I think Randy is trying to play down the wrestling ability of NXT as he is supposed to have THE GREATEST WRESTLING MATCH EVER

[@dr.floridamanphd]

Orton had the greatest match ever? I guess that Chinlock of Doom is more thrilling than I thought?

[@DarkNorthEmperor]

Hopefully, this is a precursor for Orton going to NXT, and show up as the Legend attempting to school the competition there.

[@brianweirich6964]

Perhaps rather than his old legend killer persona he can now be the killer legend

[@Blackout-k9f]

When Cornette said Well ........ well then paused at 1:44 🤣🤣🤣. That comment by Ciampa was savage as hell. He said sincerely an entire locker room lmfao Damn

[@murrayroodbaard207]

Ciampa is right. Orton matches are straight up snoozefests. I'll never understand why people take sleeping pills when all they need to do is watch 5 minutes of a random Orton match. I can understand someone criticizing the high spot matches in NXT on occasion, but the last guy to do it is Mr.ZZZZZZZzzzzzz.

[@karmaray2398]

I always wondered why Jim gave Champa so much leeway & more or less overlooked him taking the grenade spot. Most people would have got buried a lot worse than ole Tommaso got!!

[@jovanss2361]

I feel like nobody has put this, but Orton vs Ciampa would be amazing 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@johnasbury3856]

Ciampa is like a bald Lord of the Rings Dwarf wrestling. Gimli could legitimately be his tag partner.

[@jaxsquier]

What I don't get is Orton's wife even chiming in on this one. She doesn't even Wrestle. I'm Just Saying. And correct me if I'm wrong but don't they both work for the same company. It's not like these 2 guys and working a program together so why would Orton piss on Tomasa's match anyway. It's not like the last match he had with Edge set the Flippin' World on Fire. Orton really didn't think this one over,Neither did his Wife. # SameTeamguys.

[@kurtomac2386]

Dude said Tommaso CHOMPa lol

[@kurtomac2386]

vincentrich - Banned But Not Forgotten you’re right; it’s not important for guys doing a wrestling podcast to pronounce the guys name correctly.

[@slgrimm1968]

Agreed. Way too many of them. Leg slaps in an empty venue just exposes the business.

[@oliverglenday7382]

I used to love wrestling wwf/wwe and wcw I don't like it much now, but when you listen to the top guys of my era ie Stone cold Bret Hart the Rock the undertaker they all listened to veterans and watched how they worked. They then took the good advice and used it to their advantage ditched the aspects they didn't like. Nowadays the young wrestlers seem to think they know better than the guys that wrestled before them.

[@jeffboyd8139]

Ciampa is one of the only guys I like on NXT. I stopped watching entirely when he lost the belt and Adam Cole's skinny ass became "the guy."

[@thomasseal33]

Leg slap 101! Haha

[@DanNJ316]

Always ready for a Corny story that begins with "One time we were in fucking New York..."

[@ltothemagain]

Randy Orton is one of the five best wrestlers on the planet. His match with Edge was better than anything Ciampa has ever done.

[@kingsleyrams742]

Clearly you haven't watch ciampa vs gargano,any match...randy orten hasn't had a good match in 10 years

[@MichaelReep222]

Orton could out wrestle mini piss pants ciampa while orton sleepwalks!!!

[@lordsoth5276]

It really surprises me that Cornette talks about there being no tough guys left in the wrestling business but doesn’t have more of a problem with two actual tough looking guys having a spat on the internet like a couple of 12 year olds.

[@timhunt5764]

Just like McIntyre said Orton is vicious posting on social media. Dayum.

[@johndogswellguttersthe4905]

Why would his name have to be mentioned Randy Orton said you guys did a great job he was not talking to No One pacifically it obviously sounds like the other guy took it the wrong way and was acting like a jerk that's honestly what it sounds like to anybody who likes telling the truth

[@TheIshShow1]

Randy was being sarcastic

[@robertnewton4362]

Tommaso has said if he was sent to main roster he would retire

[@peterlee6374]

Being a full time wrestler to much for him

[@almightycinder]

@@peterlee6374 No, he's seen too many people who were good in NXT being disrespected on Raw and Smackdown.

[@peterlee6374]

almightycinder and yes also said he doesn’t like the constant travelling and prefers it in NXT due to it being constantly held in full sail with the odd show elsewhere

[@JaculaDudek]

Let them go at it! This shit between them is entertaining!

[@A.S9474]

Randy Boreton

[@andrewgraham6339]

Yes but a surprise appearance from Randy in NXT would always be welcome.

[@eastwaters4082]

Last time Randy ever got extreme heel heat was when he punted people.

[@sakshambhardwaj4528]

Umm when he RKOd edge on Raw when he came back. That was extreme heat. More than anyone got in one night in many years

[@zachiswayposi1]

1:11 I see what you did there

[@mattclark8746]

Randy and Steiner should have their own tv show.

[@weremaniac]

i'll take a 1000 legslaps over 1 chrisbenoitsuicide reenactment...

[@itscarlyj]

Ciampa was shorter than the Miz. We'll just leave it at that. Randy Orton is a big boy. He's a legend.

[@ashleyx3822]

Daniel Bryan is shorter then the miz. But yeah Randy is the man.

[@GroundCricketHQ]

can anyone comment if they know if yoshihiro tajiri produced that noise from his kicks in ECW by leg slapping or just shoot knocking their blocks off?

[@edgelord_poe]

NJPW hides the slapping well. I hear it but I can never catch when they do it.

[@trurobertson]

For some reason FTR doesn't like Ciampa but I think we need more like him in the business.. does anyone know he got tombstoned by the Undertaker in 2005 ?

[@slapnutsmcgee2980]

I miss tajiri

[@sacredsteeler]

Still can't find a Tajiri leg slap (if he even did lol)

[@johnnyphesto1247]

SacredSteeler he slaps his ass. Seriously. Probably because of how baggy his pants were, he had to slap the ass/hip to not muffle the sound.

[@slapnutsmcgee2980]

Lfcrxzado has a kick compilation video that shows him slapping his leg on the first clip. As he spins around to kick the person in the head the hand on the side he kicks with slaps his thigh so quick it’s very easy to miss.

[@mazzb305]

Ric Flair would’ve definitely been on Twitter 😂😂

[@delstewart7003]

Wouldn't Ciampa's daughter have to at least be in her 40's? There's no way a man over 80 could have a kid

[@bigbones9162]

Take a shot of antifreeze everytime he says territory

[@JokerFace-Medusa]

Now the whole nxt is gonna subconscious bout the knee slapping 😂😂😢 wonder how that’s gonna be