Officially Ice Talks DRAKE Criticism & Backlash w/ Joe Budden!!!

[@Asimoori]

What IcE said was facts he playing the streaming game and I can’t blame him for that. However, I do think the music is suffering because of it. The albums good but not the standard Drake set for himself back in the day. But hey everything/everyone changes so 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@809Mornelle]

How much music has he already given us though , 16 projects in 15 years like cmon aren’t we spoiled enough

[@reddyweeks9270]

For me I am content to like the 11 tracks on the album because he gives us so much in between the albums when he does collabs. Just look how much music this guy puts out.

[@keepitofficialbilly]

Sounds like a typical Drake album to me.

[@AngeBiampandou]

Quantity # quality

[@bereaboy]

Stop. A singer's tool is their voice. A rapper's tool his their pen. Stop making excuses for these guys.

[@seanmurdock2279]

Facts

[@DeeNice2023]

💯

[@Liyfa_Unpay]

Exactly, can’t claim ya the best MC or rapper if you don’t write ya own shiii 😂💯

[@reddyweeks9270]

I think you all know Drake writes sh*t. You just need to listen to the real songs about him and know no one could have written them for him. Artist have verified his pen. Haters just want to hold on to something

[@gilfordmccormack8140]

Exactly

[@Bakwe2]

This is why should speak more on the Joe podcast. Well articulated

[@21nitsua]

They keep telling him, you can't say that 😅

[@Ryanoww]

​@@21nitsua say what

[@TheeMrDavid]

Ice made 1000% sense. Especially with the making all the different types of songs. It's not about a cohesive album, it's all about the widest range of people.

[@kc718201]

Too bad he wasn't talking like that on the podcast saturday. He had a whole different tune

[@reddyweeks9270]

​@@kc718201I am shocked to hear him speak like this here.

[@stylezpinero7416]

l Wish he Spoke like this, with his Chest Out during the JBP & said these exact Words. But Naa they All had an Agenda against Drizzy 💯💯

[@MonstarCave]

@@kc718201 because it don't fit the narrative and tone of the pod, he has to fall in line with the hands that feed him unfortunately. But he did mention something like his point of never needing drake to never make a song again for HIM specifically because he got all he needed from Drake. which a lot of us probably feel like at this point.

[@TheeMrDavid]

@@kc718201 too many mics. Wasn't no way Ice was gonna have the runway to get all his thoughts off as a C/D mic on the JBP

[@Lilbadtrinibih]

I’m noticing how people been moving the goal post for drake 😂😂the hypocrisy is so real . I appreciate ice perspective I also thought joe said NOTHING wrong drake just in his feelings cuz he knows this project is not his best and it shows!!!!. This is my first time over here I’ll be subbing!!

[@junebugboy5074]

The difference with rappers and singers having ghostwriters is rapping somebody else's lyrics isn't that hard but you have to be able to sing no matter who wrote the lyrics.

[@804MRMAN]

Definitely true. Yet something has to be said about the rapper bringing it to life better than the writer.

[@Ryanoww]

That's a 3/3..

[@peabody573]

Rapping somebody else’s lyrics WELL is absolutely hard

[@wloury]

Great interview. Ice you need to be able to get your opinion off more often. I think his take on drakes albums and motivation is the most sensible response or opinion I’ve heard.i appreciate his honesty.

[@KAHLILOFFICIAL]

Ice hit the nail dead on the head, people be projecting what they want from drake, onto drake, drake is a global artist, that’s a false sense of entitlement from a fan, drake is not gonna make an album to soothe the satisfaction of one particular fan, he makes music for the entire world damn hear, and he has the right to make music for everyone, not just one specific fan.

[@stylescasino1006]

You just a Drake fan. Let kendrick and cole drop some shit with no substance and no direction they would get crucified

[@artondekz]

We are not putting singing in the same category as RAP

[@jayhova1788]

Thank you not the same

[@shyne1308]

Only old outdated men say that..yall too old to be listening to rap. You outdated

[@reddyweeks9270]

​@@shyne1308they don't want to evolve. Find let them go listen to what they like

[@shyne1308]

@@reddyweeks9270 agreed

[@mr.j410]

This is why wears where we are. Pussy niggas dictating the rules.

[@mrsjxsn]

Damn, it’s nice to hear Ice complete a full sentence.

[@MsButtaP44]

THAT PART!

[@hegeliandianetik2009]

Yup, but Joe is way more egregious with Melyssa when it comes to that

[@mrsjxsn]

@@hegeliandianetik2009he doesn’t discriminate everybody can get it

[@VisualizeY.O.U]

Damn y'all. On it quick with getting ice on the show..numbers about to go up again...Big Salute!!!

[@thigpen79]

The most articulate and based I've heard Ice speak lol.

[@risktakerceo1837]

Facts shout out to Joe again for getting that boy speaking development for podding. Great job ice. Joe is a legend and helps all his friends he love.

[@davemore0]

Why you think he don’t talk like this on the jbp?

[@MetaMan09]

It’s cause he don’t speak much on the pod, Joe and ish be begging him to speak or ish be cutting him off lol

[@cheletekoatransfer]

They don't respect him on the JBP. From my observation*

[@Cuffed1986]

Huh? He talks like this on The Joe Budden Podcast all the time. You must not be to tuned in...

[@eastgate6134]

Esso is correct. Everything we excel at is always dumbed down to competition only

[@thetribesden1960]

Contemporary Esoteric Mandingo Fights

[@reddyweeks9270]

We find a way to destroy ourselves.

[@kebrongee9614]

Facts

[@pincorporated]

This why we don't find success. Success I think happens when you can fully hate, fully love or fully something in between. We going nowhere fast. Everybody is frauding.

[@Noneoftheabuv]

Who else are we competing with??? No one else is as good as us to compete….. it shows..

[@JawnTube01]

What are they talking about like maturing or progressing makes fans not like you. That’s bs especially if you can pull it off creatively. That’s the very reason a lot of ppl gravitated towards Kanye, Kendrick, Cole, etc. Because they’d keep providing theirs fans with things their fans haven’t heard from them already. It’s more so about them not being afraid to “mature” or grow creatively/artistically. And unfortunately that’s not what you go to Drake for.

[@cardo4357]

I'm going to screenshot this. I couldn't say it better myself.

[@mididas2151]

Rapping a song and singing a song ain't the same...

[@biggmonie]

I LOVE his take. Great to hear him without being interrupted 😅

[@ShaneCM]

Why are people still believing Drake didn’t write his best work? Drake is drake because he’s really writing majority of that shit. Why can’t the alleged ghost writers make such huge hits with anyone else. All these rappers are different and drakes type of lines and rhymes have been consistent.

[@Enewnez27]

Drake talks about love and love is the universal language. No rapper has the content drake has! Drake content is for people. It’s deeper than rap! It’s a feeling!! It’s not about bars it’s about being able to be relatable. Which better way to be relatable than talk about love. No one can touch drake when it comes to touching the people. This whole album is situations that I’m going thru! Shit that I want to say so when I hear it coming from drake I know he understands me. It’s glad to know you’re not alone. There’s a connection!! Y’all call it gay!! But if you’re not loving in this life then you’re not living.

[@tago031]

Why Ice don’t give it up like this on the JBP? This makes it feel like yall characters playing a role, he seems more comfortable and has more conviction in his opinions.

[@MonstarCave]

You gotta think of it like this the tone is different because Joe dominates the space on that pod....if dude brings up his point, Joe gonna cut him off before he gets to his point move the goal post and then try to shut down or quickly agree and then dismiss the argument with some irrelevant information.

[@foursup3139]

He does give it up like that . But Joe always gives push back because seeing them debate is more entertaining then then agreeing so he doesn’t get to get through his entire point with 5 other people interjecting

[@djnes2k7]

It’s crazy the only thing we kept in hip hop is competition. We don’t uphold a single attribute of og hip hop….but competition

[@PeopleLikeUsMedia]

Ice was spittin!! Salute to him.

[@TheSgtmadden]

The game is so watered down that people change their goal post of best MC, it’s crazy!! The biggest problem is Drake wants the accolades but when someone reminds him he didn’t write he gets mad!! Stand on what you said and believe in. Who here believes that Drake is going to hurt anyone physically, but he talks like he is from the hood. You can’t call a spade a spade anymore!!! Just be yourself because everyone else is taken!!!

[@doshaburna]

Bag Fuel feat. Ice is probably the craziest collab all 2023 🔥🤝🏾

[@MetaMan09]

Drop the whole thing already 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Mupeta.]

I'm a big drake fan. I've been following his career since Thank Me Later. My one critic of his music is best described by a famous quote, "a master of all is a master of none." I think he'll never be the best at anything coz he's spreading himself way too thin. But maybe ice is right, maybe he is playing a different game and we don't see it yet.

[@blackwhyloreign441]

My Nyga Freeze would make a great Klingon in a star trek movie

[@coughdrop435]

Ice got a point but that same formula can start to backfire. Which is what is happening now regardless of what Joe says. The people are talking.

[@recentupdates3272]

450k per week is backfiring???🤣

[@coughdrop435]

@@recentupdates3272 He’s going to do numbers but people are saying that the album ain’t that good and that’s what Drake really cares about

[@pincorporated]

​@@recentupdates3272yes! They still miserable and inflation is a problem.

[@natewilson8]

Yeah the numbers are still high

[@draenation265]

​@@recentupdates3272yall always go straight to the numbers and everybody not having a numbers convo. Drake can snore, sneeze and fart for 53 minutes over an album and do numbers. THE PEOPLE are starting to reject his product. That's when he really in trouble.

[@trevoncash]

It's a different category for great singers and rappers who write their own shit. Prince and Stevie are in a different category. Jay z Nas cube pack biggie J Cole etc are in a different category. That's just what it is

[@ProdByBashP]

My boy Hynaken crazy. Bruh said Asians are in competition. Shit was so random 😂

[@ImMerkzHD]

The way he built it up was hilarious

[@sicklymaad]

If you go to a Drake concert you’ll see who supports him and why he makes the music he makes.

[@chosen1brand635]

Thank you. These biggest critics don’t even come to drake shows. Why would he make music for them??

[@Dipset415]

His shows be lit💯🔥🔥

[@ShaneCM]

It looks to be a mixture of people at his shows

[@Steven-sd2zi]

All walks of life go to his shows

[@arthurarzu5972]

I might be reaching..Joe not puttin Math interview out, out of maybe somewhat business respect for both parties meaning "my expert and bagfuel"..salute to ICE!

[@WhiteBeltG]

Joe told us he’s not a real asshole, just on the show lol

[@arthurarzu5972]

@@WhiteBeltG lol I love it

[@mypersonalopinion5363]

10:21 "So what if the music suffer?" Damn my G, that would defeat the whole purpose. He's a musician. It's ALL about the music.

[@kd-zq5oq]

These niggas care about money and views not music , music is always secondary to these type of cats … it’s just a hustle

[@Shimmyhorton5]

“Top 5” conversations are a part of our culture. Hip hop started in battle. It doesn’t affect their livelihood, it’s just for us fans to talk about.

[@crownking9712]

Never compare Drake to M.J., people love making excuses for Drake to stay in his grace 😂😂😂

[@illbrandit]

not you having 29 views on an 4 year old video. your own family doesn’t even care enough to watch your shit. that’s crazy as fuck bro.

[@shyne1308]

Mike played with kids..no comparison..yall hero played with kids lol yall support a weirdo

[@reddyweeks9270]

Sorry bro...he is the MJ of our times

[@mr.j410]

​@reddyweeks9270 i don't see queens lining up to see drake. Holla when grown men fainting at drakes concerts. Don't speak on what you never experienced

[@shyne1308]

@mr.j410 holla when u stop talking about a artist who played with kids..have some morals..Mike was a weirdo

[@mr.mr.4772]

LL wrote for Run, Kane wrote for Biz, Cube wrote for Eazy, Willie D and Scarface wrote for Bushwick, I can go on and on.

[@DukeSaragono]

Ice making perfect sense I agree with him 💯

[@RevMo]

This is going to be a Dope conversation! 💯✊🏾👏🏾

[@TJ-ow1jo]

Drake’s album is 🔥. Everyone is criticizing someone that is doing something they could never do. More love less hate.

[@Fettimayne1804]

Ice put this into perspective perfectly

[@Alpha-pe7nz]

This ice dude just earned another follower… He on his shit!

[@stoicshogun8912]

Drake isn’t HOV… what else is he doing business wise to be so busy that he can’t write his raps? Jay-z is financially more successful and doesn’t have a ghost writer. This doesn’t hold up. Also, I’m not meat riding Jay. It’s just my counter argument.

[@DonCE0]

What does Jay do business wise that drake don’t do…buy art? These artists all follow the same blueprints.

[@kaysha]

It's all about ones end game in fine. People's view of your goal doesn't matter

[@djcurt2nice367]

Beautiful and well put together y’all!

[@mikenomics1014]

Chris Brown explains this best in a recent interview...When asked does he get a ghostwiter to write his raps like he does some of his rnb songs he said no because anybody can rap. But everybody can't sing. I agree. I believe it's the Club shay shay interview

[@Twenty2mke]

I never like that pop/r&b comparison mfs use in regard to them not writing their own shit. The talent(s) that they are known for/showcasing is usually their vocal abilities, dance skills, or a combination of both. The talent that became the main showcase of hip hop is how YOUR brain moves and thinks to formulate words, schemes, entendres, etc. Esso was on the right path and I think the convo got sidetracked from where he was going. For the most part, we don't really care if an artist has writers or whatnot. We loved Eazy, Dre, Puff, Ye, and the list goes on. What we don't like is when, as he put it, mfs walk around with they chest out and actin like they one of the dopest MCs ever just cuz some words came out of their mouth. A mf can recite Shakespere all day, be a dope actor on Broadway and all that jazz. But SHAKESPERE'S mind is gone always get the credit for that "brilliance". And nobody would ever be respected as a great playwright for simply reciting HIS words.

[@Kickinthescience]

2:40 that’s false because Beatles vs Rolling Stones was a thing. Same thing with the heavy metal scene of Metallica vs everybody else. Prince vs Michael Jackson was a thing

[@shyne1308]

Micheal played with kids. We don't support that

[@rafeeqwarfield9690]

Fire. Like to see Ice out and about like this

[@Kickinthescience]

So who wrote for Prince?

[@justanotherwaver9065]

I think competition in rap is big because some people feel their favorite artist isn’t getting the proper respect they deserve. The same 3 rappers get named in the top 5 everytime. The other two are always somebody different.

[@blakprophet9305]

Ice breakdown is on point 💯

[@jhk8459]

Jbp cam work go crazy cause my guy ice looking like he done aged 10 years since Wednesday 😂

[@mm2801]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@concept8407]

Whether you agree or not, whether you like it or not… how can anyone not understand what ice said??? 7:32 this was excellently explained

[@sjarrett68]

The origin of Hip Hop as KRS 1 stated is something you live. Rap is something you do. Joe Budden is Hip Hop because he came up when it was gladiator school were it was competitive, you had to be original, clever and have skill and raw talent. For example Joe can rap 10 minutes straight on song's like "Who Killed Hip Hop, Ordinary Love Sh-t, and No Church in The Wild". He will bar you to death. His era was competitive where you battled to be no. 1 Drake is a rapper, meaning he has a team of writers producers ready made songs available to him and an entire machine behind him. He's an artist like Britney Spears or Justin Timberlake. Hip Hop is the culture, a rapper could be anyone such as Drake because he doe's not fall under the elements of Hip Hop culture. Example, In Hip Hop culture it's blasphemy to let others write your rhymes

[@Nala-xf6rz]

Drake being at the top and being there so long with the asterisk next to his pen is really fucking up the top 5 rap debate lol. Now we're making excuses for people not writing but claiming they're the best rapper

[@cbmpire]

Exactly!

[@Arc-Obsidian]

It’s about creativity and being dope. In hip hop you wanna be different and be the dopest.

[@Sclass_Ent]

Rap is the ONLY Genre where people expect Music to be a LIFESTYLE .... lol it ENTERTAINMENT

[@Dipset415]

That’s not the origin of hip hop my G🤙🏿

[@CapQuest1]

I don’t care what game he’s playing the music isn’t good.

[@russx4060]

Bag fuel baby⛽️ keep goin!

[@chinbeats6551]

So Hynaken just wants the rapper to show up with everything done for him, beat, lyrics, etc...as long as the song is good?

[@gc679]

Hynaken should never have an opinion on rap, ever.

[@Twenty2mke]

And that's fine. But like Esso said...don't walk around wit yo chest out actin like you Top 5 lyrical genius.

[@cbmpire]

Giving more credit to the performer than the creator is crazy to me

[@ayoonine]

quality always takes a dip the longer you remain in business and thats in any business.

[@clutchk5240]

The problem with Drake is that versatile formula is weak. Especially when Drake running around claiming GOAT and barely rapping on new project with cheesy lines.

[@Quinsolae]

What Drake is missing in his marketing is to market an experience for the album so that the fans are not so clueless and left to project that for themselves by expecting a bunch of slappers. Drake has to be clearer with the themes, and connect the visuals deeper into the album theme and roll out. If I'm Drake I think he should do a tape where he mashes up records and concepts from his old albums and body of work into something paradoxically new. He can call the album Me Vs Me. Artwork is just Drake amongst other drake's at the round table and each Drake represents a period in his career.

[@shyne1308]

Numbers say he not missing nothing..he winning

[@musatheleader]

This is true. The themes and titles of the record can be a little misleading, which leads to certain expectations. So of course the niggaz want more rap but hey its the ladies they support to the end😂But the project is a good body of work. And like these guys mentioned, it's enough variety of records that everyone will get something out of it they like.

[@Ryanoww]

​@@musatheleader ...but what about $$

[@benoplasm]

But Nas is doing business, going on tour, taking care of family and yet still released 6 fire albums in 3 years

[@ShaqTown]

Nas at this point don't gotta worry about radio plays and having hits for the mainstream... which works better in his favor

[@AngeBiampandou]

@@ShaqTown Nas was never really about making radio hits tho kinda similar to J. Cole. They can't really make radio hits that feels authentic to them. Kendrick can do the both. He can do the radio records if he wants to like on Damn and the less radio friendly and more deep records like on Mr Morale

[@terryselleyjr4749]

6 fire albums is a stretch and I’m a Nas Fan only 3 of those are fire

[@ChrisHtown]

GREAT TAKE FROM ICE! 👌🏾

[@Astroboy_91x]

Ice looks way different on these cameras! I didn't know ice looked that old . Those joe budden cameras take off 20 years 😂

[@escdeez2649]

Ice n Esso r gems 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💎

[@cam3111]

For yall to say only rap has competition and tie it to black people is pure cap. From me being around whites and Asians they are very competitive. So let’s not cap. Pop music is competition and other genres they just don’t announce it like we do

[@tonyb112]

Once they started off defending artists using ghostwriters, had to stop watching

[@kahreem5293]

For this guy to say it doesn't matter if the rapper is writing the song makes no sense! When a rapper is delivering the rhymes and you know he wrote it Makes it special! If you just performing it than it turns you into a recording artist not a rapper

[@olesenna8547]

Ice did the justice i knew he had, JBP be masking it too much. Shout out to his insight, maans understands the levels of range.

[@MeatRack1]

Best episode ever

[@jonsmith6506]

and this is why rap has turn to trash....r&b is totally different for rap...stop the cap

[@MrRhafootage282]

Just sound like allot d riding and excuses so he cant be the greatest rapper so what is he the goat of?

[@shyne1308]

The goat of hip hop. Yall old heads opinions don't matter lol yall bitter cause he changed the game. He got everybody singing now on records. That's what this era like..no some old 90s rappers sounding all the same. Drake was a breath of fresh air

[@DJ_Williams936]

I need the full episode

[@tthex6484]

World best rapper can't be rapping someone else's lyrics.

[@sundocdouglas]

Top 5 and best etc etc was only introduced to put an expiration date on whatever you’re comparing.

[@zeusjabari8238]

Newark Boyz on tour, coming to a pod near you🤝🏾

[@flygenyus2186]

I’ve never seen a top artist progress backwards. Progress isn’t the right word but you get the point. It’s like he reached his peak somewhere in the last decade & just been coasting then hit a decline skills wise. Everything else that’s keeping him afloat is his hit singles but those aren’t as good as his old shit

[@gripthemoney77]

Ice spoke on it ...that is factual of drake....and I agree with ice that no matter what drake wants to beat Michael Jackson record and be the all time highest selling artist of all time....ICE GREAT ANNUALIZATION

[@gusofili9137]

Damn Ice got to talk more on Budden show. This man broke this shit down to a T

[@Therealdonroyal]

Great perspective Ice

[@djnes2k7]

The wild part about the mj conversation and load management….. Mike was top 5 scoring and played 5+ years less than the people above him….. shit it crazy

[@WLVSTV]

love the pod, turn overhead lights down a bit though gang ! yall kinda whited out , other than that yall doing great

[@Dipset415]

Rap is rhythm and poetry pop and r&b and country are not. It’s incredible to come up with those lyrics

[@Enewnez27]

J Cole Kendrick jayz Nas whoever jadakiss can rap the dopest lyrics it can never be doper than the shit drake talks about. Lyrically those guys are nice but drake is above that!! It’s amazing For All The dogs is a fck’n classic! This the best drake I’ve heard thus far!!!

[@reallife7602]

I somewhat disagree with Ice because with reference tracks from ghostwriters it’s not hard making a copy of the reference song

[@Keith-cl3th]

Man Jordan was 6’4” 190 lbs and took 3 yrs off. Bron 6’8” 265lbs the wear and tear is more severe to his body and he took NO years off. GTFOH with that whack analogy!

[@mrceazohawk]

How did we get to the point that we’re giving the biggest artist of this time a participation trophy pass?!?! foh You can’t be tryna play the streaming game when the quality of the music isn’t as good. Lower quality music equals less streams.

[@chazzwolf]

This is why it’s important to sit with your thoughts and not react to the public and give your opinion right away. Because ICE didn’t have this energy on the JBP..

[@ChefOG_Ra]

238 drake tracks?! Damn…I wouldn’t have even thought he had that much music. I got about 6, and I’m cool wit that

[@alfie3641]

Ice been getting in his bag lately!! 🔥

[@batriciaparker]

Big Freeze in the building!!

[@dw5237]

Nahhhhh bro. In hip hop you need to write. Stop comparing to other genres, its different here

[@MDawg1823]

But how many rappers rapping about shit they never did ?? Or gangstas lives they never lived

[@mickyfingaz5132]

Keep going

[@TheKidFresh22]

Mike was the lead singer for the Jackson 5 they haven’t counted those in the record. That adds 4 more.

[@big1ne]

Bro thats what I was thinking to myself when Drake got all that heat? Why are yall mad for? This guy literally has enough bangers to last me a lifetime. If they dont like this Album, fine, listen to them other shxts. Ice on the money with this one

[@ELITEPSYCHE100]

Who in DA HELL doesn’t think MICHAEL JACKSON is not #1 ? Nobody has his hits from the 60’s to the 2000 that’s 40 yrs . Drake hasn’t done that . Mike hits started as a child

[@thinkfreely6045]

Ice Is Spot On With The Drake Convo. To Add More To His Point, In Drake Mind Probably He Like Shid I Already Gave Y'all Four Debatable Classics. Most Artist Only Have A Solid Classic Album. Maybe 2. He Gave Us Take Care. Nothing Was The Same. Views. Scorpio. Plus A Couple More That Are People's Favorite.

[@Arjr72]

4? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@WhiteBeltG]

What’s the 4? Not disagreeing but which ones?

[@GunzNbutter]

Views? Scorpio? Nah

[@WhiteBeltG]

@@GunzNbutter he/she ain’t answering lol.. off the dome I’ll say Take Care, NWTS, IYRTITL, More Life? It’s opinion based for sure. Chime in

[@GunzNbutter]

@@WhiteBeltG so far gone , take care, NWTS, IYRTITL . His other stuff isn’t bad but just not my cup of tea

[@kumasifitts2248]

Drake is the GOAT