"Basically, this is a whole bunch of cracks." Understatement of the day. The only thing really holding together was your fix from two years ago. Nicely done.
@ronbuckner81797 ай бұрын
The question to be asked is “can you fix this so they won’t crack again?” I’d be thinking this machine has a whole of issues with a harmonics history.
@ronbuckner81797 ай бұрын
This machine is going to haunt you. With that many cracks you know . they’re gonna return. It’s like a boxer getting his bell rung, once it’s happened, it can happen again ,its harmonics
@jamesdrake23789 ай бұрын
Lol "you're wrong" Thanks for the content and continued success from the NJ Bayshore.
@justjoe73139 ай бұрын
"It's two years later. You're wrong." Golden! :D
@TennSeven9 ай бұрын
Hilarious that every rando on the internet thinks they know better than the guy in the video actually doing the repair. Glad to see you proved the naysayers wrong once again.
@robertdominiczak65239 ай бұрын
I use these videos to make me a better welder but I only work on my own machines so I never comment and never judge. Nearly forgot to mention that I am retired,70 years old and still learning.
@orlandochacon92539 ай бұрын
You’re so right, they buy a Harbor Freight welder and now they’re experts.
@Jacob-409 ай бұрын
And they not even have experience about that work
@piotrpartacz86229 ай бұрын
This work is made good
@dirtfarmer74729 ай бұрын
@@robertdominiczak6523 You can keep learning until you die, even then the learning continues.
@danielpullum19079 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed seeing the success of the "firiey fuel tank weld repair". The crack around the bolt circle was scary and you made it look like play. I'm sure glad to see some of the old iron restored for another few yards of dirt. Well done Good Sir!!!!!
@joehirschegger77239 ай бұрын
You can't have a channel called "On Fire Welding" without having some content with actual fire, lol.
@hmrody8 ай бұрын
You do good work in a craftsman manner. I am learning so much. I know it takes time and effort to make these videos and slows you down but they are very much appreciated.
@Jdigger41309 ай бұрын
I have always wanted to see the innards of a scraper and this is too cool! THANKS FOR TAKING TIME TO SHOW US!!!! I can only imagine the shocks and stresses the frame endures. Interesting to me that they form at the narrow points and unions! JUST fascinates me!
@ian-petersimpson15659 ай бұрын
Greg welds the fuel tank, the rest of the scraper fails around it! Awesome. Thanks for your tip on Cubitron discs - they're the Dobermanns Danglies!
@BowHunterMadness9 ай бұрын
I love when the fulltime shop guys like to put in their 2 cents on field repairs. It's a piece of equipment used to quite literally move dirt/earth, doesnt need to fancy or pretty just strong enough to hold up to the abuse. Great work as always! Any chance you got a line boring job coming up I cant wait to see that S power in action and get a true honest review. Seems too good of a price to be super quality, I want to see if it would be a good avenue for my business in to line boring. Thanks Greg
@OFW9 ай бұрын
I should be doing a video on the s power soon.
@spencemiller58369 ай бұрын
I guess your channel was put onto my landing page because I watch a lot of Curtis and his Wife from the channel Cutting Edge Engineering. You two have a lot in common especially the part of doing the job the right way...cheers from Jersey!!!
@jackdawg45799 ай бұрын
old girl has more cracks than a plumbers convention!
@MarvUSA9 ай бұрын
Very Nice. I like how you decided to weld up and re-drill the holes. Doing it the right way. Thanks for sharing. !
@russellgilson40729 ай бұрын
Your field experience in all aspects of repairs is extremely impressive. Always a pleasure to look over the shoulder of a professional applying their trade!
@westerntruckandtractorrepa13539 ай бұрын
That damn cold won't let go, hope you get to feeling better soon. Thanks for the video.
@Bigmike3406E9 ай бұрын
An old mechanic would always tell me when I would come out to the job and weld up all the cracks on the cushion hitches on 657 B models that those cracks come from to much use when it was new . 😎. Nice work my friend. So thankful for the new mag drills . 😊
@LoBeau539 ай бұрын
A welder’s dream. Chase rack and fill it. I use to have to fix cracks that ran into the mounting holes on 793 diff housings. I would make up a brass stud to screw into the hole then roll the weld metal into the open thread portion without arching on the studs. Once it cooled we could back the stud out and run a tap through the hole and the threads were good to go. Never had a mounting bolt strip out the threads.
@billcarlson17309 ай бұрын
Cripes, you will tackle anything. Great job man. Thanks for sharing.
@BigMels..9 ай бұрын
Now this gentleman is what you call a proper welder well done mate cracking job .
@GuppyMilk3346 ай бұрын
It's crazy how much force is needed to make such a solid chunk of metal start to crack. I've never worked with heavy equipment before, and I'm surprised. You do really great work!
@stephenmeeks6849 ай бұрын
You’re sick. I hope you get to feeling better soon. Great work too.
@briantetreault18758 ай бұрын
That frame is the definition of “I’m tired boss”
@ronbuckner81797 ай бұрын
Yessir! I truly hope she stays fixed. But I truly doubt it will.
@crbrepairmotorcycles66089 ай бұрын
Thanks for the welcome back 👍 looks like a row of silver dollars, If you built border wall panels would keep you very busy for long time .
@jiml99718 ай бұрын
Way too go Greg!! Thanks to your classes. I know use might exclusively in the field on yellow iron crack repairs. It’s so much faster than the 7018 stick method.
@aaronkcmo9 ай бұрын
0:05 I remember that video. Great reference. Your work looks awesome!
@robertbyrne72419 ай бұрын
The paint you put on 2 years ago is the best paint on the machine.
@MrRebar159 ай бұрын
*On Fire Welding* Bravo well done, thank-you sir for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.
@victorjeffers19939 ай бұрын
As particular as you are about how to prep and get to good metal I had no doubt that those welds you did 2 yrs ago would hold ! You do a great job ! If I were 40 yrs younger I would want someone like you to train me to fabricate an work and weld metal ! Thanks for the update ! Stay Safe !
@bryanwillingham70237 ай бұрын
This guy is on point the reason we watch he makes it looks easy. He is highly skilled and his experience shows
@TheRitchieLeeShow9 ай бұрын
I like the way you got the tape started. I have never seen a mag drill run a tape.
@frfrpr9 ай бұрын
Fiery Fuel Tank got me to subscribe. The filming and the welding keep me tuned in. Thanks
@badjeepman9 ай бұрын
Lots of people don’t realize how long this prep would take with a normal size engine drive. I have a 300 amp machine and a 500 amp machine, 500 is the largest machine I have ever gouged with the step from 300-to 500 is amazing, can’t imagine 300 to 800 , !!!
@OFW9 ай бұрын
It’s a big difference. Almost scary.
@markfryer98809 ай бұрын
Another 200 Amps and you could run those ridiculously large broom handle sized electrodes that some welding channels have shown off with! 1000 Amps! Absolutely insane!😮
@alanschwier40459 ай бұрын
Greg… we really enjoy your videos and like your other friends, always looking forward to your next projects. It’s amazing to us how these “ monster” machines can get these types of failures. Again many thanks and do take care…
@danielelliott36599 ай бұрын
I'm 61 and been doing this kind of thing for over 35 years now. This guy knows what he is doing. He has a bunch of rod to burn. Glad it's not me
@robertpeters94389 ай бұрын
I don't think you need to worry about AI replacing you anytime soon! Keep up the good work!
@lucmarchand6177 ай бұрын
Yes,all this crack is normal I saw lot worse here alberta most on winter work steel is cold and all twist and turn and uphill and downhill when job is over is hell job repair before next job.i saw cat dealers finning repair scraper near due wet dirt on huge job clean up due winter.this huge job but at least ready next job for contractor steady repair due a stress on machine.thanks video again.😊
@moosetallone29 ай бұрын
I cant believe the 7018 gods are not on here letting you have it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@PrairieMechanic9 ай бұрын
Excellent work as usual. Appreciate the content. Thank you.
@bfd15659 ай бұрын
Sweet how we can electrically erase a wield and then electrically glue it all back together again. Nice job jigging and man handling that Mag Drill. Cool stuff bud.
@troytheconsumeroflargequan32549 ай бұрын
Weld thr original hot glue.
@fasteddie82259 ай бұрын
Awesome video man! It’s still crazy to me that those pans hold up as long as they do! Had some 657’s at work they are monsters
@squarecrab9 ай бұрын
People who don’t repair scrapers for a living can say whatever they want about a repair. Scrapers cracking is just what they do from the amount of forces exerted onto them. Doesn’t matter how good of a job you do, the operators are gonna try their best to break it for you.
@dirtfarmer74729 ай бұрын
If CAT built a scraper that an operator couldn’t break they wouldn’t be able to sell the thing.
@markfryer98809 ай бұрын
@@dirtfarmer7472Or have it move anywhere near as fast as they currently do, because it would be too damned heavy. 😂
@albertgalan24839 ай бұрын
Love your videos, especially since you’re a local welding guy. Keep producing!
@garyyorke10809 ай бұрын
Well that's definitely a hell of a lot of cracks . I guess it show just how much stress these machines put up with . That was a lot of passes on that cross member. I guess that'll hold Thanks for showing how you do the repairs to your std and as your fiery tank is still good that means you know what ya doing ..lol. many thanks from an armchair viewer
@Gus1966-c9o9 ай бұрын
You did a fantastic repair on that tank Greg .
@coryl51429 ай бұрын
The redrill and tap look factory new, excellent work!
@justinblanchard27469 ай бұрын
Fun to watch you do your thing. Great job.
@JonDingle9 ай бұрын
Great work young man, especially around that mount/mating face.
@BCole-bj4lv9 ай бұрын
Are you always expected to do such work as drilling and taping or even disassembly/ re-assembly? So often you seem to do more than just weld work. Do many welders leave this type of work to the company's mechanics to do?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
That is what sets me apart from everyone else. Most welders don’t do anything but weld. I love wrenching and taking stuff apart so why not offer it as a service as well. One phone call does it all!
@kennytoler64859 ай бұрын
Awesome work as norm. Glad to see your so busy.
@segomatu70639 ай бұрын
Wow ! Serious bunch of cracks there, seems like with a few more loads this 637 could lose its rear axle ah ah ! Rock on Buddy !
@Bltwll9 ай бұрын
When I was a kid I used to wait for the next episode of dukes of hazzard with so much anticipation. Now I wait you and icwelds videos. What part of Cali are you in? I’m from Tennessee but Sacramento area is my second home. I feel like your in the valley north of LA
@OFW9 ай бұрын
You would be correct. Fresno.
@Bltwll9 ай бұрын
@@OFW 😎
@jshelledy19 ай бұрын
Sounding better. Hope you are feeling better.
@mikeboring12939 ай бұрын
Nice work, my boss thinks welding shouldn’t take that long and tries to rush me when I do it lol. I do go to school for it many years ago passed all the tests it could never find a good job doing it for a living so I just do it part time or when something breaks at work. I use my own welders grinders etc etc. some people never learn
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Most of the time quality welding work is not fast. But just do it once instead of 3 times.
@markfryer98809 ай бұрын
If your boss doesn't appreciate your efforts at work to try and save them some money by repairing things for him, just stop doing that work, say that you are too busy with your ordinary work and let him try and find a reliable welder or boilermaker. Once he starts seeing expensive invoices, he might change his tune and if not then you have saved yourself from his nagging and aggravation. Yes, that is a poor attitude, your boss is not valuing your welding skills so withdraw them until he does. I work maintenance at a large private school in Melbourne, Australia and I have eased back on how much welding and metal work that I do and I still have metalwork jobs to do and others get handed over to our fence contractor. Being understaffed, my jobs list has been steadily growing in red on my tablet, but I can only get through so much work in a 8 hour day by 5 days per week. They have not really wanted to pay overtime, so jobs get done when they can and after urgent jobs have pushed them down the list again. I hope that my comments have helped. Mark from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
@glenngosline33039 ай бұрын
Again you have done a great. You are a master.
@ronnierivera39919 ай бұрын
I am not a welder! I weld to repair stuff around the ranches. But how would I know what kind of material would need pre heat. I know I don’t repair anything that I think Would need it. Mostly repair disks and other farm equipment and cattle pens and trailers. Great videos!!!
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Just think anything super thick, like 1” or more. Or something that will have a lot of twisting stress. Pre heat and even post heat can help relax the metal.
@ronnierivera39919 ай бұрын
@@OFW thank you!!
@jaymarshall76329 ай бұрын
Thank you for your videos!!
@carloskawasaki6569 ай бұрын
Another great project, thank you for sharing ,I learn a lot 👍👍👍👍
@jspice-kl2wc9 ай бұрын
Outstanding work, thank you.
@gordonagent70378 ай бұрын
Gday mate, I’m catching up slowly on the back log of your videos and you level of skill is just sublime. I also find that I get lots of info on just how you set your work up which I find has helped me heaps. One day when you get the chance could you just explain how you build your welds up, like in that big section you just did there as I would like to know how you work it out, why you do it, when do you decide to go up or down the weld etc. I guess a lot of it is from years of practice and experience but it must be based on something. I always have a little chuckle too when you linish a surface back and then spot weld little imperfections up and linish them again, I thought I was being anal when I do it but feel I have the blessing of the master. Anyway, you work is beyond reproach, you are an artisan and I love you basic, simple commentaries. Many thanks
@woodartist20219 ай бұрын
Another superb repair done in the field. Did you use dual shield flux core? Amazing how much stress one of those graders takes, and even more amazing is that the welds you’ve done will hold under those stresses. Probably stronger than it came from the factory. Hope your cold gets better soon, and your videos are most appreciated!
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Yes, I used dual shield.
@ragnarironspear17919 ай бұрын
Brilliant video as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
@89firebird9 ай бұрын
Wow that's a lot of weld joints on that scraper yeehaw
@Rubbernecker9 ай бұрын
Great video, very interesting! I'm curious how you knew exactly where to drill those holes. Seems like it would be difficult to get them exact. Which is why you're the pro, not me! Thanks for sharing these vids, they are really interesting.
@OFW9 ай бұрын
A lot of very careful measures. I measured them 5 times before I drilled the holes.
@terrminatoragain4619 ай бұрын
Great job Greg Looks like you went back to your Milwaukee mag drill I guess if Caterpillar and any other heavy equipment companies,built machinery to last,yourself and a lot of others would be out of work 😂😂😂
@williamthomas94639 ай бұрын
Just curious how you got your hole layout for the redrilling. I know you used a trick that you didn’t share with the rest of us.
@OFW9 ай бұрын
I can’t share all my secrets, I used a caliper to measure center to center and just did the math. And I checked it 5 times before I drilled it.
@2xKTfc9 ай бұрын
@@OFW Fair enough! You cut the clip like drilling the hole was the difficult part... but even the prettiest hole doesn't do no good in the wrong spot haha
@GPz849 ай бұрын
This guy is an absolute maestro.....
@Frank-Thoresen9 ай бұрын
Some questions: What is the cause of the the cracks? Metal fatigue? As a former offshore fabricator I understand that the weld is stronger than the metal next to it and a crack could appear next to the new weld. Would reinforcement plates reduce the risk of new cracks in the same areas or will the forces applied to the frame make cracks next to the reinforcement plates? Thank you for the video. Learning every time.
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Cracks happen from thousands of hours of hard use and a bad design might play a role in that too. I don’t think plates would work that well. Plus this customer wants everything to look at original as possible.
@Frank-Thoresen9 ай бұрын
@@OFW Thank you for the reply
@Dante100329 ай бұрын
Good job man 💯 quality work right there !
@osiris8299 ай бұрын
I see they brought you some cracks with a scraper attached. Nice work! Was that cross member a tube or solid stock?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Solid and I believe it was forged.
@dogyerf219 ай бұрын
When you go get the crack from over onto once ice fire tile when tool on? Or popcan tanks underdogs tower?
@toddmuehleip92509 ай бұрын
Is the new welding unit you purchased a few episodes back ? Looked like you were welding dual shield with the brushes between passes. Hope the new unit is proving to be a good purchase, excellent work as always.
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Yes, the new unit is performing great.
@HappyHands.9 ай бұрын
Makes one appreciate the forces involved in these huge machines. Do you think the metal in this rig was over hardened? or just work hardened? or just not thick enough? or operated improperly? or just a bad design?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
I would say a combination of bad design and thousands of hours of hard work. It’s all apart of the game. All machines crack.
@ecocrime89579 ай бұрын
This pile of... beautiful equipment!
@andrewcarlson99298 ай бұрын
I’d be curious to know at how many hours these machines start to crack apart like this?
@ypaulbrown9 ай бұрын
happy Friday Greg.........have a wonderful weekend, cheers from Paul in Florida......
@ssmith60199 ай бұрын
Great quality welding
@jjinak3969 ай бұрын
Great job!
@samuelspencer91949 ай бұрын
Just wanted to know have you ever used a Haollow air ark rod the oxygen go's through the middle of it that is what I use under water to cut.just curious thanks be safe and have a great day Sam and love your videos
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Yes. Those are called an oxy lance. Used for cutting. I don’t think it would work well for gouging.
@samuelspencer91949 ай бұрын
@@OFW thank you for the information and I also have used magnesium filled rods you only had to have 150 amps again thanks Sam
@jacobfrier88879 ай бұрын
I know this isn't code work but adding some pre & post heat after arc gouging sounds excessive but its beneficial. The toe cracks looked similar to a hydrogen induced crack. Do you guys do any PT 24hrs after the repair?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
No, 24 hours later it’s usually moving dirt.
@jacobfrier88879 ай бұрын
@@OFW could always up sale to the client pt testing after repair ...make some easy money then
@quentin74519 ай бұрын
Hello, No dye penetrant to know exactly where the cracks are going and no pre-heating ?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Actually I did both. You might be able to see the red on some of that parts.
@quentin74519 ай бұрын
@@OFW ok I did not see, sorry about that. Very good repair !!
@Tenright779 ай бұрын
An other Epic Repair, Thanks for Sharing...
@adamlambert38929 ай бұрын
Hey honest question why did you replace the crossmember Was it just too worn out And deformed to repair awesome job by the way
@OFW9 ай бұрын
It was cracked and had been repaired many times. It’s a common failure point. The customer wanted to try a new one.
@Jamestreeman9 ай бұрын
What’s your thoughts on using duel shield on thin material. Like 14 gauge. Specifically a boom section on a man lift
@OFW9 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s necessary. But some .045 dual shield could probably run pretty nicely if you had it set right.
@merkyworks9 ай бұрын
Nice job on the bolt circle
@kevinmartin54899 ай бұрын
Excellent work, awesome video.
@Jacob-409 ай бұрын
Hi Greg, I have a question can I use a 1 hp 3850 rpm motor with a worm gear for the line boring . Will the motor rotate the bar ? If the bar is 50*1600 mm
@OFW9 ай бұрын
I think it all comes down to the feed box. Should have gear reduction. I believe my motors are 1,000 rpm
@Jacob-409 ай бұрын
@@OFW Thank you for the answer❤️. I agree with you abut the feed box . with worm gear it will turn the extra RPM to torque
@jamesarnold60599 ай бұрын
God bless you Greg... please don't work yourself to death & kick that cough
@marcdavis4509Ай бұрын
I have to ask. At what point is it no longer feasible to keep repairing the vehicle?
@OFWАй бұрын
They repair some pretty tore up stuff. I imagine this isn’t even close to that.
@philoso3776 ай бұрын
Nice video and presentation. Yeah, as goof as new.
@Tomtommy15019 ай бұрын
I am truly just interested on how much on average a job like this would cost to a construction company. I would greatly appreciate some transparency on this one. Thanks!
@OFW9 ай бұрын
About a couple thousand.
@ericchisamore71689 ай бұрын
Nice work, What fillermetal? Thanks
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Lincoln 71a75
@ypaulbrown9 ай бұрын
10:20...now that is a big ole dog bone........
@scrapmanindustries9 ай бұрын
You can run dual shield down hill?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
You can, but I didn’t weld downhill.
@HunterTaylor-rg8yq9 ай бұрын
Yes you did
@OFW9 ай бұрын
@@HunterTaylor-rg8yqdownward angle. But not vertical down.
@scrapmanindustries9 ай бұрын
Do you gotta run pulsed to do that or can you just run normal settings? I always thought you had to run uphill with dual shield.@@OFW
@OFW9 ай бұрын
@@scrapmanindustries Normal settings. I wouldn’t run it vertical down but a slight down hill is fine. If it starts to puddle up then move faster.
@Dillon_Sparrow9 ай бұрын
I work for a mine doing heavy equipment repair but I really want to learn how to do this kind of stuff too
@robertpeters94389 ай бұрын
On some of these jobs I almost expected you to pull out a ladle of molten metal and just dump it into these large cracks!
@bigcountry10099 ай бұрын
Wow man, that scraper has been through it!! How do you determine what wire to use on different parts of the machine? Like when there’s a cast iron part welded to plate or cast steel welded to plate?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
Well cast iron is a different animal in itself. But I try to match it to factory specifications.
@bigcountry10099 ай бұрын
So are you able to get weld procedures from the equipment manufacturer?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
@@bigcountry1009 sometimes
@bumblebeebob9 ай бұрын
Good grief! If that scrapers name isn't Humpty Dumpty it oughtta be! 😅
@sackvilleweldingservices9 ай бұрын
Where to start on a job like that, well done!
@djdeaf139 ай бұрын
At what point, if any, do you stop trying to fix a frame that keeps cracking? Wont this just happen again in the future?
@OFW9 ай бұрын
It’s a never ending battle. Just keep chasing cracks. Up to the customer if they want to keep the beast alive.
@djdeaf139 ай бұрын
@@OFW Yeh im aware its not up to you, you just do it if you get paid. But im thinking for the customer, when does it stop being profitable with keeping repairing old stuff. Its both down time, and repair cost.
@OFW9 ай бұрын
@@djdeaf13 well considering these machines can make a couple thousand dollars a day on rent. It Has to be a pretty extreme failure for them to retire.
@thomas502089 ай бұрын
Does the customer ever require any NDT? Maybe at a minimum MT or PT. Or UT.
@OFW9 ай бұрын
No. Every now and then I get jobs that require certain certs.
@raycorb29389 ай бұрын
Another awesome video. Greg was wondering though couldn’t tell from the video but it looks like you were using 1/4 “ carbons gouging And if you were, I was wondering why with that pretty awesome 800 airpack you won’t be using 3/8 or maybe jumping up to 1/2 “ carbons ? I’ve used 3/8 hundreds of times with my 500 amp machine only a few times have I used the 1/2s And I was also wondering why you chose to use the ole fashion carbons instead of that plasma for gouging Just Curious to why you choose one over the other and Again awesome work good job and keep the videos coming
@OFW9 ай бұрын
I was using 5/16 and 3/8. I almost used the plasma but the problem is, I have too many options. I like to change it up.
@raycorb29389 ай бұрын
OK gotcha I like to 5/16 myself. I use a lot more of them than the three eights but when I need them I use them. . Have you ever use the 3/8 flat carbons ? After you knock that crossmember off you put them in there and you just hit those snots and goobers on the side wall takes them right down nice and flat. You basically don’t even have to grind , They’re also great for chamfering round bar or pieces of plate j I use them all the time if I have to make a small bevel on a piece of plate or flat bar
@raycorb29389 ай бұрын
OK gotcha I like to 5/16 myself. I use a lot more of them than the three eights but when I need them I use them. . Have you ever use the 3/8 flat carbons ? After you knock that crossmember off you put them in there and you just hit those snots and goobers on the side wall takes them right down nice and flat. You basically don’t even have to grind , They’re also great for chamfering round bar or pieces of plate j I use them all the time if I have to make a small bevel on a piece of plate or flat bar
@raycorb29389 ай бұрын
OK gotcha I like to 5/16 myself. I use a lot more of them than the three eights but when I need them I use them. . Have you ever use the 3/8 flat carbons ? After you knock that crossmember off you put them in there and you just hit those snots and goobers on the side wall takes them right down nice and flat. You basically don’t even have to grind , They’re also great for chamfering round bar or pieces of plate j I use them all the time if I have to make a small bevel on a piece of plate or flat bar
@raycorb29389 ай бұрын
OK gotcha I like to 5/16 myself. I use a lot more of them than the three eights but when I need them I use them. . Have you ever use the 3/8 flat carbons ? After you knock that crossmember off you put them in there and you just hit those snots and goobers on the side wall takes them right down nice and flat. You basically don’t even have to grind , They’re also great for chamfering round bar or pieces of plate j I use them all the time if I have to make a small bevel on a piece of plate or flat bar