OH NO! Another Source of Z Wobble ?

The answer: • Humidity has more impa...
Yes, another source of what seems to be Z wobble. But this is not Z Wobble, can you guess what it is?

[@wildfox1994]

Long story short: There's nothing about z axis... He just dried the filament... I watched the video so you guys don't have to...

[@dillpickle7633]

You are an absolute trooper thanks for finding it and watching it for me :)

[@Darkhell87]

Thank you for doing the Lord's work.

[@1delta10tango9]

My hero!

[@Godzfirez]

My hero 🎉

[@justchill4886]

our hero! thank you so much

[@evilrck]

Dislike for part 2 syndrome

[@Mastermindyoung14]

Dry filament*

[@Eng586]

Fyi The cause was humidity he could have literally just said that in this short

[@davidsaldarriaga3926]

Same

[@jtbuilds9176]

The tease usually causes me to choose the "do not recommend channel" option. This earns you that award!

[@ender-gaming]

Not sure teasing like this is very helpful. I'd rather have the video for this be out so I can just go watch it.

[@farhaaniqbal224]

Exactly

[@Simon350S]

KZbin has screwed things up for content creators and cut or will be cutting their revenue, and are pushing them to create more shorts. Very frustrating, but it’s all they can do to continue to earn a living

[@Nishandh_Mayiladan]

Hi. Yes true. But he has p ut the link to video in the comments.This is a teaser. The final video unfortunately cannot be accomidated as a single short.

[@2easy4me00]

​@@Simon350S Thanks

[@wsj1983]

agreed. let's see if the dislikes works better

[@Daniel-vh9lg]

It's sad, KZbin use to be a place of inspiration, ideas and things other people may never get to see, now it's just a place for clickbait, fakes, scammy/spammy and AI generated videos with intent of making lots of money.

[@franchezvibritannia7320]

Fr fr

[@brandonoconnor8292]

When KZbin first started out people used to make videos for fun. As the year went on the videos went from having fun to making money.

[@YouTubestopsharingmyrealname]

Did you just, "Stay tuned for part 2" us? that is just about the most un-classy thing to do.

[@SupremeCakeVR]

Dry your filament. That’s all he needed to say.

[@couryrussell7653]

Well unfortunately, being new to the game of 3-D printing, I’m looking for answers and knowledge, not a terrible excuse for a video designed to create subscribers. This did nothing for me except my waste my time.

[@dillpickle7633]

As someone else said he just dried the filament

[@alexey7083]

Дорогой друг ты видишь волн нет ? При чем тут нить ..🤦‍♂️сухая нить

[@runklestiltskin_2407]

The lighter color, hints at the part being more matt, might be temperature related.

[@falcon1209]

Dammit, Matt.

[@seha2306]

It could be the part cooling fan, cooling down the hotend what results in overshoot in temperature. This temperature variation changes the flow and color of the printed part, resulting in these stripes. A possible solution could be PID tuning with part cooling fans on or a silicon sock.

[@simonquvang6073]

Would not be the same gcode then. Might be wet vs dry filament or just better filament. Or he closed the window

[@dingushippo]

​@@simonquvang6073 could be unstable PID control, causing temperatures to fluctuate

[@ChrisHarmon1]

I thought same. Color difference appears to be temp related.

[@gerhardachrainer6116]

My guess: he checked every 2 minutes if the part was finally done; opened the door and thus changed temperature. This is clearly patience wobble 😄 Looking forward to another enlighting video!

[@coronitaflotante]

Stay tuned and I'll tell you as I am still trying to figure it out

[@JamesMartin-vh4bo]

"I will never talk about z wobble ever again"

[@FerCerealz]

It’s a dislike on a video for the cliff hanger. So sick of these short video formats.

[@MirageC]

This video was shot a year ago and posted along the answer in the description. KZbin algorithm pulled is out of the blue and now it looks out of context. Sorry about that. Description contains the answer.

[@dekutree64]

@@MirageC I doubt most people know where to find the description in the youtube shorts player. I didn't know it existed until poking around for it just now. It's in the ... button.

[@josephsagotti8786]

@@dekutree64 THE ANSWER IS NOT IN THE DESCRIPTION EITHER. It's just a link to another video. Clickbait garbage.

[@relax.....]

the z-wobble was probably printed in your apartment at night, while your neighbors were still active.

[@victoraraujo2872]

I can see bubbles caused by moisture, it looks like half of the filament spool is dry and the other half is wet, as if part of your spool of filament is exposed to the environment and another part completely protected

[@_chex]

Need to have some dryer filament. That bottom one has pot marks from moisture

[@ajo.5476]

Did we ever find out what he did in this video?

[@gregorywolvies193]

If it's not wobbling and temperature this is probably a extrusion difference.The top in my guess was printed using extruder with twirl extruding gear like Vz-HextrudORT and it causes smoother surface under the light you can see the lines that are similar to skewing of teeth on the gears.Twirl gear also make more grip of the filament so it should make feed more consistency and the integrated gear should eliminate wobbling. So it's probably a difference between your new extruder and standard one :)

[@MirageC]

Nope 😉

[@deviatixn2202]

You answer to my question - why i have lines like this. I switch head of my printer from stock (ender 3) to e3d v6+BMG extruder and this lines appears on my prints. I tries switch bed to PID, calibrate PID, switch Z lead screw to a new one (old one was a little twisted), switched bed from PEI to glass (because PEI very thin) and assembled all the mechanics accurately. Literally, the deviation from the bottom of the portal to the top is 0.03 mm. I also tried to configure marlin parameters, but there is no results. I tried EVERYTHING, but apparently the problem is in the extruder, but how to fix it...

[@TioDave]

PID tuning?

[@SgtNateHigers-BPD]

“Do not recommend channel” *presses button*

[@dillpickle7633]

there was no need to make this 2 parts :(

[@umitbaba5690]

I deal with Z wobble for months on my custom coreXY printer. I tried every possiblity includes worldwide solutions on the internet. At the and, I changed my ball screw setup with standard Trapezoidal screw and the pattern gone immediately. Before changing screw I'd have Hevort design magnetic stabilizer and also my design stabilizer (it can absorb huge vibrates without friction) The pattern was matching with screw's pitch. I even changed step motor and there wasn't no difference. Good pid values, good frictionless direct extruder system, easy coming filament spoll, short way. I measured the height with comparator when I touched the screen and wanted to move Z axis 1mm down. I did this 20 times(comparator tool could measure max 2cm) I writed down 20 values. And I just noticed it started with 1.03mm and goes down 0.90 after 4 times hit. And raises up again suddenly to 1.00 and slowly down 0.87 sometimes. This repeated for every 4mm. My screw connected directly to the motor with coupling. I ordered EVERY kind of coupling to overcome with this problem. I even used POM couplings. After changing nothing, I suspect with ball bearing nut, I created a lot of design for ball bearing nut and table connection and nothing changed, as I told I even changed the motor, nothing changed. At the and I changed the Ball screw totally with standard screw it went as it should have. Standard coupling, same motor, directly connection to bed with POM nut. The problem gone just like magic. If the last solution didn't work, I m sure I would throw the machine to the carbage. My ball screw was cheap china version. I never buy kind of product that need to be manufactured precisely but not done like that.

[@MirageC]

Not a mechanical issue here ;) Both parts printed on the same printer using ball screws (one is actually super bad in fact.... thanks to WobbleX!)

[@ionstorm66]

That just sounds like bad ball screws or steppers. I have closed loop steppers on my XY and I have never needed compensation on the Z, so it's sub 0.01mm accurate.

[@LightwalkerN7]

same. my solution was to remove the top braces that they were in. this let the guide rails take control over the print.

[@thorgraum1462]

But have you tried belt driven z axis?

[@literate-aside]

The answer : Dry your filament. Part 2 baiting blows.

[@ErtsenPlayGames]

I get issue like that with my older 3D printer .... around 6-7 years ago - expensive linear rails , Z asix with diy anti Z wobble spacers , DIY handmade silicone mat for hotend , handmade extruder gears (yes handmade - less than 0.01mm wobble on extruder gears) then i discovered that depend how heating works u can achieve perfect print ...or something that looks like z wobble .... The larger the printer the more visible it is on small prints and even more visible at high bed temp Right now working on custom 200*C heated chamber 3D printers that wont get any of this issue and probably soon i will start to sell them :) (only ones i will make by myself)

[@Vaasref]

Some motherboard firmware problem, like rounding error or some other issue in the algebraic operations causing a consistent pattern ?

[@eArtrash]

Thanks for the ad with no value added

[@paulmerriman4294]

Z binding

[@fastslash25]

my guess is pid tuning, maybe bed is using bang bang.

[@davide.ercolano]

Old but gold!

[@metallsimon]

yeah, i had the same Problem when i started using Klipper, my 400mm Aluminium Bed had a lot of thermal expansion

[@REDxFROG]

that's not a 12V printer/bed :D

[@SiFireHasSpeed]

I'm at a loss. You said same g-code so it can't be cooling fan or extruder temp related.

[@MattSitton]

That looks so clean looking forward to it

[@zeke7515]

You said same material, but not same spool. I believe we're looking at cheap filament vs good filament with slim ± values.

[@MirageC]

Same spool ;)

[@zeke7515]

@@MirageC got my hopes up seeing a reply thinking I've won internet points... Cheers.

[@videblu]

Looks super periodic. I'd say it's microstepping/layer height constructive interference with Z screw pitch, but those are well-known issues already.

[@L3X369]

Really dude? Teasing like this on shorts?

[@MirageC]

Answer in the video description. Also here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKfYnH2aabaseM0

[@NathanClevenger1337]

The 3D printing community has been good. Keep out with your click bait bullshit!

[@maxwellhansen522]

Backlash in the dual extruder gear system?

[@PrinceZiim]

Waste of time

[@SingularityAdvent]

Wet filament?

[@Storebrand_]

It's crazy how enthusiast 3D Printers always run into issues I've never had with my cheap printer.

[@chuck7873]

PID of the bed ?

[@nathanjaker]

my thought too, or maybe somehow drafts/enclosure related

[@Argumentiveableish]

You're really trailblazing a way for 3d printing. Just think, everything in the future that is 3d printed will benefit from your hard work and discoveries! You have the most advanced open source project, and any 3d printer that wants to compete in quality will quickly adopt your improvements. Thank you! You're like the Elon Musk of 3d printing over here. Except not as popular because you don't stir up drama and controversies, lol.

[@IamMrSimQn]

Yea that's a dislike. You are literally wasting people's time

[@MirageC]

Totally! How much did you gain from the other 20 shorts you just watched? The answer to the artifact is in the video description by the way...

[@IamMrSimQn]

​@@MirageC I'm not brainlessly browsing shorts for the fun of it. I'm actively troubleshooting a problem and you CHOSE to simply mislead instead. This type of content is a tumor on the platform

[@RusakovLA]

Bed using bang-bang heating.

[@theBadFish666]

It's not only a "banding", I also see inconsistent extrusion. So I'd look at the feeder first, hotend second. I assume the issue is somewhere in the filament path.

[@theBadFish666]

Or temp is unstable.

[@MirageC]

Stable temps and nothing was changed to the filament path between the two prints made on the same printer from the same spool.

[@theBadFish666]

We'll, if you say "nothing was changed" that doesn't mean nothing went bad on the filament path. ;) My guess ist still the feeder.

[@nathantoews152]

If you didn't say stable Temps I was going to guess PID tuning the bed. Instead of bang bang mode.

[@Chipageo]

Can't wait🎉

[@intert9286]

Ur channel is Amazing

[@apollyon7573]

Such a tease! I've been struggling with this on a CR10S. Looking forward to your results.

[@MirageC]

Video in work ;)

[@czarkamil]

Ohh men. Can’t wait 😜

[@agaldoo]

Cooling

[@MirageC]

Uneven humidity degree. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKfYnH2aabaseM0si=NgyqR07yimGg0rRt

[@andyk9902]

Single Gear Feeder

[@glenndhooge6787]

Your kid came home and started running around the house. Worh emphasis on running. The hole house started "shaking" for short bursts at a time. Nothing to worry about, your kid wont make an earthquake and the hois eis more then stable enough to handle such vibrations

[@nickmaxx]

Thanks for wasting my time. I'll be sure to not get more videos by you recommended.

[@robpetri5996]

Want to get downvoted? This is how you get downvoted. End-clickbait.

[@etle113]

Hou! I like the puzzle...my guess is thermal cycling frequency

[@edlujan]

YO MAMA? so much suspense 😮

[@Nishandh_Mayiladan]

The only difference: switched to injection moulding :D

[@DanDr15]

Temperature?

[@sammyblaze4234]

great there is a button called "don't recommend content of this channel", don't need clickbait trash in my feed

[@RedRaccoon69]

part 2 syndrome is an easy block channel lol

[@toma.cnc1]

Oh, hell, more mods to my printers! 😃 Thank you for the time and effort.

[@L3Dhelpguide]

Extrusion multiplier

[@tobit6890]

Well well, i guess it must be something related to the klipper config. Maybe the stepper(drivers) or endstop calibration?

[@Argumentiveableish]

Awesome! That top one looks soooo smooth.

[@WillGiam_3D]

I would guess it's the PID from the Hotend?

[@AoiPride]

If i see your videos again i wont watch them :))

[@LimeniksArtworks]

R

[@Bezmaturnik]

Humidity

[@Dain_42]

Stay tuned for "do not recommend channel"!

[@LucaThePupineer]

Simple fix go belt driven

[@3DPI67]

My precious

[@chomp7927]

welp, one more channel for the do not recommend list

[@piotrk4608]

Can't wait, have similar effect

[@ameliabuns4058]

Heated bed?

[@Jason-te7gq]

Speed can also make that difference

[@Danielthefoxstudio]

Disliked

[@nadir3D]

Spool inconsistent? or spool drag

[@arthuralmorejr.3717]

Marking as do not recommend

[@ianrajkumar]

video solves nothing. OP is a big i

[@rodrigofarruguia1708]

heat soak , dry filament ?

[@kitmarshall4084]

Wow what printer is that? Nice pronts

[@AAEmohawk]

Print outside 1st

[@612minigun]

What happens when you use Belts?

[@chaicracker]

That would be heresy.

[@zola5584]

Try belted Z with thick belts

[@davidsaldarriaga3926]

Stupid clickbait

[@inh415]

PID tune of heated bed

[@el3ctros]

Stepper tuning.

[@julianeyt4059]

just use fuzzy skin dude

[@SoftYoda]

No i don't know what it is

[@xsolar]

Moisture?

[@labiq1896]

stumble into this short again. I just like to tell you that your WobbleX didn't work on Ender 3 style printer.

[@pj8979]

Moisture

[@Leviathan3DPrinting]

Wet filament?

[@ovDarkness]

Heatbed temp fluctuation? Accidentally set to bang-bang instead of PID?

[@j.g545]

i dont thnk it would worth a 2 episode videos

[@kennybeaudoin]

I would check your z motors .. like meaby the run current or something is heating them up .. also id look at the screws you took to mount those motors if you are not pushing the screws on the mount of the motor and actually breaking it appart .. ive had those issues as well before and ive been also doing test for the last months and its not showing anymore :)

[@kingrutse3278]

Turned off z hop lol

[@fluxx1]

bed temperature variation? bad pid or even hysteresis based.

[@MirageC]

No, temperatures were stable 😉

[@JustinAlexander1976]

temperature

[@awildyoutuberappeared9325]

waste of time

[@FockewulfAz]

dislike

[@MaxFenix8k]

How log for the video is out?, Really curious about what you find

[@MirageC]

I am working by night to make it happen. Image capture is done. I need to do scripting, voice recording and then montage. Hope to complete by end of week.

[@MattSitton]

​@@MirageC👀

[@247chiranjeevi]

@@MirageC please, no need to do all those, just bring out the video. raw is enough.

[@Jasondorf.]

​@@247chiranjeeviNo need to even make the second video. Just say a couple additional words. This dude is a straight up schmuck.

[@Jasondorf.]

​@@MirageCThis video did not need to be a "stay tuned for part 2." You should have stated what the issue was and then later outlined how to fix it. You have justly earned a "Do not recommend this channel"

[@johnnyrocko7105]

Moisture !!!!