Oh No, WHY Did Bungie Just Do This To Trials?! (It's So Bad!)

[@iGearshift]

Crazy that we went from one of the best special ammo economies we’ve seen, back to Y3 D1 in the span of a week. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@BombStars]

I feel like they could’ve AT LEAST made this change for party modes like momentum or rift only. It would make more sense imo

[@seb5542]

It's for two weeks to look at feedback from a wider audience than labs. I highly doubt they will continue with it at all with the response it's got.

[@seb5542]

@@BombStars They sort of did that already, just in different playlists. And those playlists play wildly different to 3v3 round based modes. Whilst this change plays bad in 3v3 and 6v6, not all changes do and some will play better in one, so both options need to be explored. It also wasn't reaching the larger player base in that state. By doing a two week long experiment like this they actually gather feedback. They weren't getting this sort of feedback earlier this season.

[@BombStars]

@@seb5542 that does make sense yeah

[@EggyWeggyIII]

Glad they’re trying things. Seemed to me like they had all these ideas prepped ahead of time and they just wanted to give us all of them and get feedback. Sounds like the feedback to them about this new system is pretty universally negative which is good imo.

[@HonorableZealot]

Hey Jake! Just wanted to say thanks for your videos. I copied your Wormhusk build and implemented what I learned in your vids. I went flawless for the 1st time with your build! Thanks again man!

[@niallhorner712]

Where did you find this build? / can you post a dim link?

[@IBlackRoseI]

@@niallhorner712He has a shorts vid somewhere on his channel. Just search up something like “GernaderJake void PvP build” and look in the shorts tab. Found the same build and I’ve been enjoying it recently. I normally don’t play void.

[@rushsoccer1355]

Last few weeks of checkmate I’ve been at a 2.5 kd, this week I’m sitting at a 1.3 since everyone is running around with 5000 kills worth of special

[@brandonproctor423]

Great finally able to be light level enough to play trials for the first time and this is what I have to deal with this week should be interesting

[@Justthatguy1998]

I’m glad everyone else also hates it. Cause you can easily snag 2 crates and get so much ammo

[@MerynMTG]

The new Special Ammo Transmat change was great! I have no clue why they would immediately change things.

[@Cassp0nk]

Because it killed all specials except shotty.

[@jamaledwards8118]

​@@Cassp0nkhow???

[@sovereigndark7792]

I like the Summoner and all I just don't understand why they reset the pool without going through all the weapons. Now I gotta wait a month for an Igneous week.

[@MangoMan1280]

I got my god roll summoner 3 weeks ago and I’m so thankful I didn’t have to play during this special ammo change to get it

[@xxz3roxx714]

So far 3 flawless in. Special ammo is literally making the game slow paced atm.

[@jamesgill9223]

They could have at least put special in the middle of the map only and not make it a straight grab to the right or left when your on, it’s the exact same as just spawning on with special ammo

[@BrockWidmanMedia]

I ran double primaries this week and went flawless my first run, i would just use the crates as bait at the beginning of the round. I do think there should only be like 2 crates crates in the middle areas where fights are more possible

[@seb5542]

It's a two week test to get feedback on it. I highly doubt they will continue experimenting with it after the feedback they've got. It's probably a good thing they've done this, because they weren't getting the wider playerbases opinions with it kept to labs.

[@simplerConsultant]

oh so that's why! makes more sense now. I was like whyyyyy did they do this so thank you for the explanation!

[@DrayReign03]

Next weekend is going to be a different special system as well and I doubt people will like that one either

[@nordicnation4745]

Unfortunately this special crate system will be for two weekends

[@daggerix445]

The transmat was so much better

[@Kgthedoctor]

Fuck trails this week is just so bad. Do you all know how tired i am of seeing a whole enemy team with unlimited toaster shots?

[@undeadgaming464]

I managed to get my second ever flawless this weekend with the special ammo changes

[@walterbrown8293]

It's even worse in comp

[@treblemix_]

FACTS

[@thefunhousejr2660]

Y’all better watch this man live!!!🧡🧡 Btw I was the guy who asked why summoner was back in the rotation 3:47 😂 It’s crazy that my one question ended up in the video.

[@Oxboh]

Whoa. Crazy.

[@thefunhousejr2660]

@@Oxboh Nothing better to do. Huh?

[@bluebehrry8473]

It's weird, but I actually like the change of pace it brought to zone trials...at least on burnout. Special basically right away without the initial snipe lane right down middle...Definitely needs to be tweaked on how much ammo you get though

[@RNGesusHIMSELF]

This weekend is definitely cursed, ive gotten so many feeds with with forerunner its ridiculous.

[@dandremcdoe7865]

The way you outplayed that guy with the smoke was just 🤌🏾 man I wanna play hunter like that when I grow up but my titan brain just challenges 😂

[@MrLongshotbob]

Imo, the very first week after making the change to the special meter was perfect. When they changed it to what they intended Trials to be, it felt like special wasn't special.

[@Justthatguy1998]

We went right back to what checkmate/special meter was suppose to prevent

[@itshadouken]

I think it could work as people figure it out, would help if the capped it at 1brick per round

[@josephmarcogliese3105]

Unpopular opinion I found the transmat system created a positive feedback loop where those who were stomping would get access to more special as the game progressed while those getting stomped trailed behind on empty special. At least this way the playing field is even.

[@GloverGaming3]

They put on Twitter that they actually did mean for it to be Burnout, even though they said Rusted Lands

[@wesparms9189]

I liked the meter better

[@SirMetalThunder]

Me too brother

[@treblemix_]

Feel everyone does 😂. This test is basically pre meter and annoying

[@gabrielgardner2054]

The meter is a slippery slope and can create a snowball effect if the team gets special ammo before you. It’s hard to stop special without special, it is possible yes but very hard, plus special acts as a way to lower the skill gap and make games interesting for more skilled players otherwise people who have great aim never die and people who are decent at the game never win. That is a dangerous thing and I think would probably kill PvP as a whole. If everyone keeps whining we may wind up back in y1 with double primary and no special

[@gabrielgardner2054]

I think combining both would be the best case scenario, ammo spawns in at the beginning right, but kills reward progress toward the meter like it was before, and then the more-skilled still get rewarded but the less skilled still have a chance to win and it has a lower chance of creating the snowball affect and ruin games for people. Trials is supposed to be competitive and fun but everyone complained that it was just sweats then they added solo que and now way more people try it out, and yes special ammo acts as a way for them to win against some better opponents but better have them in the game than not at all imo this is about the longevity of destiny

[@4zureSapphire]

While I did like the meter more, it discouraged the use of snipers as it put more onus on getting the one shot to the head. if you missed both shots then tough luck, you're gonna be running around with your primary for who knows how long until you got special again. With shotguns, you dont have to aim for the head and focus on landing all the pellets and follow up with a melee.

[@lonesnip3rwolf]

Bungie is so out of touch with its community its unreal!

[@abacate]

Somewhat interested in The Summoner, but not at all interested in getting specialed every round. I'll see y'all in Onslaught!

[@jman4293]

Thank goodness I already got the adept summoner god roll. Won't be doing trials this week lol

[@diggernash1]

Sliding shotguns and floating snipers...no trials for me

[@stormmtb5068]

They said they did this specials ammo for a high end data point

[@ochaindavis]

0:15 bro rlly started the video w excuses 😂😂😂

[@OSTATEboi419]

For all the people that were crying about the reduced special ammo with the meter system, this weekend is for you. Enjoy getting deleted by the special weapons you love so much.

[@xRedacted_]

You know they messed up when running double special is an option or having honed edge x4 damn near every round

[@alexball7024]

They should only add the creates in the middle of each map. So each team has to fight for special

[@silverreverence6176]

Pointless, you win special control you will already have won the round

[@alexball7024]

@silverreverence6176 not necessarily....it makes it so that instead of rushing to cap point you can either go for special or cap point. So if one team goes to cap that team misses out on special

[@alexball7024]

@silverreverence6176 or what they could do is take away the special crates that spawn on both spawns zones

[@scottbyers9258]

As a not very good at all solo pvp'er ive been getting slaughtered exclusively by special weapons. After winning a single game out of 12-13 i gave up.

[@ContentHouseFilms]

Whose crazy idea at bungie was this?

[@peterterpstra4737]

Honestly I don’t think there was anything wrong with the special ammo economy we had where you just spawn in with two shots.

[@oinkwoof8378]

Skipping this week, poor change.

[@antivistix5177]

Sorry if it’s been asked, but what hunter cloak is that??

[@gideonsteijger397]

😂just when i started to begin liking trials...... bungie makes sure that trials is not for me to like 😢😂😂

[@MrLongshotbob]

Maybe double special with both weapons having harmony, making the follow-ups ridiculous

[@rogerhuston8287]

What I do like about it is that you know who has what special. That is more info than we had before.

[@camkingrea7773]

Yep, especially when people change specials, it’s helpful.

[@jsmaster4779]

That is a bright side. Maybe they’ll add that piece of info when the gauge fills up for Ammon

[@chriscringlee]

If I went flawless and still have my 7 win card, can I still farm the adept weapon of the week (summoner)? I went flawless and still haven’t gotten a drop from trials match wins post flawless. Did they change it or is my Rng bad? This how I always farmed trials but idk if anything has changed?

[@LiamUraafe]

Yes after every win on that card so long as you went flawless there will be a chance for it to drop. The rng just sucks balls rn

[@chriscringlee]

@@LiamUraafe Thank you. Just played some more today and got a few adept ones. Yea my Rng is terrible this week

[@Smellycarl]

I already didn't wanna play trials for the gun i want now im definitely not going to.

[@dixon137]

a good idea implemented poorly is a bad idea.. green ammo should drop from kills have it drop for you and the enemy team so you can either push to pick it up or bait the enemy team to get more kills also shoot to loot and auto loading is now super meta maybe they could even add a perk that denies the ammo bricks for the enemy team maybe call it.. "whats mine is mine" kills drop ammo for you an only you with increased drop rate in PVE meta perk also some weapons should have selective changes like forerunner maybe should have more strict ammo compared to erianas vow maybe they could instead have boxes with power ups but in the middle of the map and only 1 at a time other then just heavy.. spice things up the division does that in its PVP has team power ups the goal being more primary duals + more value to green and heavy + rewarding map control

[@andrewspencerr]

so many people just bot walking with fusions

[@No1Buzznut]

Yeah I've never even tried trials of Osiris people keep getting to level 28 in Onslaught and then leaving this is a joke 😐

[@Disfortunate662]

THAT MEANS WE CAN GET HYNRA DOUBLE GL CONTENT IN TRIALS AGAIN

[@-AaronBlack-]

Seeing this live was fun 😂 I told zk if he won I’d sub & he earned it 💯

[@darthymir951]

Drang is absolutely cracked rn, you should use it in a new video lol

[@StayPuft80]

Me and my neck beard are having so much fun. This game is slapping it hard.... hard ... just to hard lately. Not stopped.

[@ShaqsonYT]

Asks why Bungie does this, forgets all he did was swap to double primaries with the other method. They specifically mentioned that “strategy” was one of the reasons they did things this way

[@F10n0]

sooooo... trace rifle + shotgun?

[@ripp123m]

yeah im not coming back smh

[@SharpShotterJake88]

First time back to trials and won't be back in intill this is gone, I hated this so much

[@Ray-yh4mx]

this was honestly my easiest week in trials, I was able to punish people going for the crates and I was able to screw them over when they crutch on conditional without special, I don't think this change will be as bad as everyone is saying

[@theycallme_b5678]

Definitely dislike the ammo crates.

[@TwigGenetics]

I'm not going to lie this was one of the easiest weeks

[@TheRealManatee]

I’m more sad that they posted Rusted Lands and it’s Burnout instead :(

[@ned9542]

Played one trials game and called it a weekend. The idea of wasting time in a round to run to a special ammo box instead of just having it automatically takes away from time i could have spent shooting people and having fun.

[@matthewleslie8599]

Bro I was already seeing alot of special ammo every game so...not to different so far

[@jamesgill9223]

Giving trials a miss this week I think fusion sliding titans are back lol boring man the primary gun matches were fun this sucks

[@smiffy.airsoft.ghillie5861]

For people like myself who run trace rifle in PvP, this special way is better.

[@jacobhull902]

Izanagi oneshot??

[@loukashalkeas8437]

SO MUCH FREE SHIT I LOVE IT ALL I GOTTA DO IS BE A CUTE LIL BULLET SPONGE

[@silentchewbacca8760]

trials in unplayable for me. Im running into people using double special loadouts.

[@holdmymug4766]

I liked the bar progress for special because you got ammo back by playing well. WTH Bungo.

[@kennethlievens334]

Dislike the idea of losing super and abilities just because you swap weapons. I get it they do it with armor, but not with weapons.

[@dasavagecabbage9483]

2 steps forward 3 steps back smh

[@rogerhuston8287]

Remember, this is a test. They know it's a lot, they want to see how it plays. Then next week they will make it less to compare. They want to see how many people go and fight for special and how it influences play.

[@mosswine5417]

BUNGIE knows damn well special and heavy are big plays. IN D1 the best strat was to attack and defend the areas of special/heavy when the time arrived because it was put on a timer. However, people were too damn stupid to realize such common sense. This is why people always chose to shotgun ape and one shot melee for so long. Yall just don't want to aim hahaha.

[@treblemix_]

@@mosswine5417on top of aiming some guns do hold ppls hands 😂

[@davidjones167]

I remember when we all thought them removing 3 peaking was the worst thing ever.

[@ness-ee]

No one thought removing 3 peeking was bad

[@bulldogfront666]

This fucking sucks. And on a weekend that would’ve otherwise felt great with the transmat system and a much better population….. wtf Bungie?????

[@Steve-MN]

Too much special is terrible.

[@OMGITSCOOT]

Is jake a aimbotter ? Does anyone know ? He peeks corners and knows when somone is jumping around a corner blindly before u can see them on screen ? 1:50 second mark weird stuff . Maybe im just ignorant to knowing how to tell when someone's jumping behind a corner that i cant see

[@drfeelgood321]

NO WRONG YOU ARE ALL WRONG THIS IS WONDERFUL THIS IS AMAZING WE NEED MORE SPECIAL AND HEAVY NOW

[@scoty_does]

The problem is snipers and shotguns. One hit kill weapons need a nerf in PVP so they are not on hit kills. Then all the special ammo goofiness could stop. A primaries only PVP is a mistake and unfun.

[@frostribe5414]

I mean i see nothing wrong with experimenting with stuff, and alteast they are trying. As long as if its bad and nobody likes it they change it, its ok

[@Starscream77]

Ill never understand why we cant just go back to how it was....the meter is so stupid and this is just allowing an insane amount of ammo. Bungie continues to confuse me

[@sequoia7284]

Meter has been the best special system. Love it

[@dreamteamap1998]

@@sequoia7284 I agree.

[@Starscream77]

@sequoia7284 to each there own man but I just don't agree. Taking like 3 or 4 primary kills to get special is so dumb in trials. Ppl complaining about primary fights need to just go play apex or something. It's part of the game and ppl need to get over it. Just my opinion though

[@theremnants6807]

​@@sequoia7284 The meter system leads to snowballing way too easily. Which in turn makes matchmaking even more unforgiving.

[@akaseiba]

honestly don't mind this, i miss the faster pace of pre checkmate so this weekend has been pretty fun so far

[@gabrielgardner2054]

Why is everyone on board with them changing special ammo and ability charge rate to begin with. Destiny has always been about power fantasy and the cool abilities, the movements the gun play. It’s never just been a fps. Need I remind everyone what happened when they cried about special the 1st time…we got supremacy and double primary. So stop crying and get good it’s not hard to stop an ape with a shotgun or someone with any other special, learn the game learn the movement or go play call of duty where it is just an fps. Stop ruining the game for everyone else.

[@gabrielgardner2054]

And even if some maps make stopping apes very difficult I highly doubt anyone would prefer no special at all, which I’m sure would be the easiest thing for them to do and checkmate (the meter) already is that to an extent. This is much closer to the middle ground than anything else. IMO special should still have a meter (and indicate when someone gets ammo from said meter) but still spawn in at the beginning of every round of trials. Just the meter creates a snowball affect and there’s no way to come back if they get special before you do and they’re relatively decent, it is possible to stop yes but they have to make mistakes and you can’t if there’s any shot of getting out of that hole.

[@campinsomnia425]

FORERUNNER

[@TherealCouchking]

It’s actually not that bad lol kinda like it

[@demarais2424]

Trials was insanely easy this weekend 😂

[@iridescentx6725]

I must be the only one on this channel that was really happy about the special changes. Snipers are FINALLY somewhat viable once again!

[@wynstonpercival]

I'm beginning to believe someone on the PvP team avidly plays destiny & crutches on conditioned 😂 needs it on him at all times 🤣 garbage weekend not worth the trouble tbh hope the numbers are at an all time low

[@Basic_Vans]

Gonna be a fun weekend

[@yonderthemountaintop1993]

Will dance for a flawless carry, where do I sign up 🙃

[@LuniNightwind]

Double primary? Nah, DOUBLE SPECIAL NOW >:D

[@zuz2315]

Worst trails so far

[@spy-v-spy1848]

Trials sucks always has always will, it just doesn't feel like pvp to me, & Destiny pvp at that. It is like the special Olympics for those not good at special Olympics.

[@TheMax107]

I love it thit way

[@acetriumphs7801]

Id rather this fast pace then face titans behind walls warlocks camping rifts and hunters dodgeing outta every gunfight and if they have wormcrutch its even worse

[@Berserker56]

its stupid that double primary players are trying to enforce garbage special economy

[@JMVQ37]

I prefer this more than double primary

[@fnatic474]

The toxic content continues...

[@kelvinhernandez4714]

Bet Bungie wanted to prove to the whiners who complained about the nerf to special ammo on why it was needed.