WSG Premade Guide - Detailed Meta Breakdown - Classic WoW PvP

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

Something i never see discussed is the rez cycle and cycling your role. If offense falls apart, it usually means you're split by default. A lot of people will rush straight back to offense... but typically your D is going to be under heavy pressure at this point and you need to 'reset'... 1st wave should run back to flag room, defense come down if they arent kiting already, defend there as necessary, and 2nd wave break up any stragglers coming up tunnel... then pivot back to O as a group when situation is under control.... timing is crucial - cant wait for last guy to die. Call it and counter attack. If one or two are crossing mid or stragglers, take opportunity to keep their rez cycles staggered. When your O is successful, you'll almost always lose somebody... and they need to rez looking for a repick FC. Things get jumbled up very fast. Bodies in right place and time can be more important than exact comps for Off/Def. Sometimes it's best to commit suicide. I can usually get halfway up the garden even with room defenders on me... makes it easy for a 2nd fc to take it ramp or gy while i mount from res and make a beeline to keep them up.

[@dogzilla7698]

Always remember to pick up and drop the flag at least 10 times right before cap to assert dominance. Also will have people remember your name

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Spamming that sound is so tilting. Underrated tactic tbh

[@dogzilla7698]

Ohhgee Haptix Gaming Haha yea man. Learned that first hand from you

[@Asuya93]

only for alliance on horde its not annoyin xd

[@Redishere]

Thank you, regards all good rogues.

[@matthewkoehn5242]

Know one remembers you

[@TCestarEng]

We all know that the best way to win WSG is to fight in the middle

[@WCamden]

As a warrior, actually yes

[@weaksauce7570]

If I had a dollar for every time Iv seen “get out of the fucking mid”

[@markblaze4909]

it really is . controlling mid is key. just obviously when you have a offensive or defensive team needed people need to re position.

[@SuLokify]

It's the fastest and easiest way to win against a team that just drops from GY as soon as they res, for sure

[@HacksignKT]

Clearly!

[@bouiriamine5116]

One can only recognize the amount of effort, dedication and passion you put in these videos. Sub earned

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Bouiri Amine thanks mate, I really appreciate that

[@Traque]

Hi, nicely done, very enjoyable to watch. As a hunter though I wouldn't recommend going towards mid during Default Setup because it is very likely that you wont be able to catch mage doing gy jump or going through somewhere else. Usually standing on the top of fence right above tunnel will allow you to catch any mages from anywhere. You can track both sides at the same time and you are also able to use Eagle's eye if you see that mages aren't pushing fast. This will help your druid / mages by giving them informations on the enemy team defense.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

good tips from the baguette himself

[@hippaul]

Wow I guess much has changed since I played vanilla! I got to rank 12, standing 1 in honor every week but we never ran specific comps. We just took whoever wanted in from our guild/PvP friend group. Sometimes we’d have four warriors in warsong and let me tell you that was a blast. My buddy the enhancement shaman dropped windfury totem and our ashkhandis would be sweeping striking heads off the enemies so fast.

[@christopherozouf]

Agreed with you there. Comps changed a lot back in original vanilla because what classes were currently hitting rank 12 was constantly changing. Plus sometimes people would have to drop out for a while so you'd just sub in people you knew didn't suck. On my realm at least there was never more than one premade per faction going for rank 14 so unless you got queue'd against the enemy pre-made it didn't really matter as you'd be camping undergeared pug's in the graveyard while your FC's would be free to run. Arathi Basin took arguably more skill because your group couldn't just slaughter the enemy pugs in mid and then graveyard camp.

[@CozomWoW]

12:58 LOOOOOOOOOOOL yea man the rage clip is the most calm steezy server clip ive seen

[@Suntzurvr]

Do you have the AB guide? I think initial rush split between objectives deserves a video and discussion

[@TheBlorgish]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHzNk3eCfqmfl7M if you have not seen it yet

[@Blackadder75]

I have only been playing as a guest in these kind of teams but I love this kind of organisation .If I ever get enough free time to get serious on this I will try to play like this for at least one 'season'

[@nathantsok]

Don't give this shit away dude :). Lol j/k man ... honestly the most pro pvp guide out there by far. Let us have only ohhgee creating vanilla pvp guides from now on, the rest of the lot just seem so naive. Thumbs up and keep up the good material!

[@InternetHumanMan]

Great stuff. Could you do a similar video for Arathi Basin?

[@Frankenberryoneone]

Very good video. I recognize all of this from my recent ranking experience =) One small I think personally think you should have added is when to make the call set up for "the next round". For instance if the EFC has a guaranteed score let him run with his team and score and everyone on your team should get back into positions instead of pointlessly chasing the EFC when it serves no purpose. Sometimes WSG premade vs. premade gets hectic and the team will end up scattered all over the map. In those instances it's important to get back to the overall strategy and setup :) But again - really good and informative video =)

[@Sherkriek]

This is great content/series. Would be awesome to see it expanded into more in-depth role of each specific class in WSG and how to optimise their role

[@leglonglon]

By far the most comprehensive video I've seen about BG strategies. Great job !!! Would be awesome if you could also cover AB in the future. Btw, what do you think about melee heavy teams such as stacking warriors with WF totem ?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

You usually don't want to run a cleave type setup in Vanilla WSG because class roles are so distinct & its all about individual classes doing their job. Totally unlike retail RBGs where huge teamfights usually determine the outcome of the game. Cleave comps (stacking melee, stacking DoT/drain classes, stacking caster DPS, etc.) are so effective in RBGs because its all based around teamfights, but in Vanilla (specifically WSG) you really need all classes represented because each class has a unique way of impacting the game's outcome. AB is a little different because its more teamfight oriented but still not nearly as much as retail RBGs. That being said 2 Warriors is super viable IMO, especially for Horde. They just need to be stacked gear wise and have really solid support players (Priest/Shaman/Paladin) around them. A huge part of the difference between Warriors being effective or struggling to connect is how good their dispellers are at staying out of CC and not getting caught out of position.

[@leglonglon]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming Thanks for this very comprehensive reply O.G, It was very helpful ! About your alliance setup, I noticed that you made the choice to run with only one Paladin. Paladins are the best healers in vanilla. It would be great if you could explain why you prefer using priests as backbone healers instead of pallies. Priests are vulnerable to melees and Viper Sting, they also also lack mobility and go oom fast. It is true that priests have more utility spells but isn't it better to run with 2 pallies and only 1 Priest ? Thanks in advance for your reply.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

@@leglonglon its less about healing and more about Dispels. Priest is the only class in Vanilla that can dispel offensively and defensively - as in they can remove buffs/potions from enemies but also remove CC/DoTs from their Teamates. This makes the super versatile. Paladins main value is Freedom/BoP/Sac and having Bubble as an oh shit button. Cleanse (pally dispel) is also crazy good to have on your Warrior because of how it functions (removes multiple debuffs with 1 press) As for Viper sting you can remove that with classicdb.ch/?item=3386 and classicdb.ch/?item=19440 if you're having mana problems

[@Jiesse1610]

Excellent video. Thank you for the good work put into it :)

[@hughjazz4936]

The stalemate setup is 5 on def and 6 on offence?^^ We used to send 2 mages (or mage/lock) and a rogue as hit squad, PoM pyro and heavy cc. Works great against pugs and inattentive premades. Usually if this failed several times we'd send 7 or 8 people which at that point our enemies didn't expect. IMO the best strategy is the one your enemy doesn't expect, so having a few backup plans and not playing a default strategy is always great. The video is great because it offers the basis for understanding how WSG should be played. Everything else can be evolved from here.

[@Frostadamus]

Warsong glutch global offensive.

[@dinpala]

when's the next upcoming major?

[@BrothersAroundTheCampfire]

Love it thank you! Great style of presenting the information so that even my 3 braincells can get it. Really hoping for more of this style with focus on PVP as there seem to be too few people making these kinds of videos unfortunately. Enjoy the anticipation 😁

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Lots of people have asked what FAP means, its short for Free Action Potion. Here are links to the consumables referenced in the video: Free Action Potion (FAP) - classicdb.ch/?item=5634 Amazing for Flag Carriers, also very useful for offense team especially Rogues/Warriors. Only Priests & Shamans (& Felhunter Lock pet) can dispel it, so proper positioning from these classes is crucial in a competitive game. If a Rogue+Warrior FAP on your FC and your Priest is ~300 yards out of position or stuck in CC, your FC will probably die. Timing is also important when it comes to popping a FAP; if you use it right in front of a Priest, Shaman, or Warlock with Devour Magic off CD, you just wasted your gold. Use it when these classes are out of range, stuck in CC, or your team has too much pressure for them to use globals dispelling. Restorative Potion - classicdb.ch/?item=9030 This one is great for support classes (Priest/Shaman/Paladin) to avoid getting stuck in Polymorph, Rocket Helm, Fear, etc. Also can be useful for Rogues because it removes Faerie Fire as well as most DoTs and can let you get more restealths in a chaotic fight. Skull of Impending Doom - classicdb.ch/?item=4984 Also remember that every player in your premade (except Warriors) should have this offhand equipped when its not on cooldown. Use it preemptively when you think you're about to get sheeped, rocket helmed, etc. It's another tool to keep yourself out of CC so you can stay in the fight and help your team establish pressure. I have a guide for obtaining and using this item on my channel - check it out.

[@timgo2345]

Awesome video and awesome channel. Keep it up. Looking forward to what you will be doing in Classic

[@dominicchristoph]

Wow this was super informative. I hope we can pull some of this stuff of when WSG finally drops! Thanks for the insight Sir!

[@dougtaylor26]

rofl, the hunter is named "Irritating". +1

[@wowrazor388]

Do a guide for Arathi next!

[@KumaSC2]

What addons would you say are important in vanilla for pvp? What about elemental mages? Do you absolutely have to have two deep frost mages?

[@ultrajoe274]

I think 99% of the premades will want frost mage, elemental mages can be awsome if the team is build around then

[@KumaSC2]

@@ultrajoe274 How so? Using them to recap, or what?

[@ultrajoe274]

@@KumaSC2 using that spec that can 1 shot someone every 3 minutes on their flag Carrier 👍🏼

[@KumaSC2]

@@ultrajoe274 That's not elemental, that's pom pyro.

[@ultrajoe274]

@@KumaSC2 oh my bad than 😅

[@engared]

I never agreed with the set-up the meta in classic seemed to favor (basically what you are proposing here). I remember facing this on some early private servers and my strategies still worked against it pretty (might even have been against APES =O and I recognise a lot of the other guys playing competitively in other videos - I think Nuxxy, Greatwizard and others might still remember me). The set-up and playstyle I preferred was developed back in Vanilla. Though the skill level has gone up significantly since Vanilla, the positioning and team movement seems to have gone down from the old days. This classic meta build reminds me a lot of the old Eurocomp from Arena whereby mobility is the priority. My most favored build sacrificed mobility and traded it for raw tankiness and fire power. It was what was necessary for horde IMO to counter the alliance. When we were running our league back in 2006, set-up I liked was 2 warr, 2 mage, 2 lock, 2 Shaman, 2 Priest. Was very strong against ulility/mobility teams like the meta set-up above. We used a warrior as our flag runner; both geared out the teeth with both offensive and defensive gear. Team would win the mid field fight with overwhelming fire power (easily I might add), secure the flag and march it down the field as a unit. 10 man against 8 or 9 in the midfield and the 10 man would always win; especially with the raw spell damage, mortal strikes and healing. Required very good focus fire and coordination but it would always come out on top. Once flag is secure, grind down the enemy offense till its blunted then split the teams into offense and defense. This period was flexible depending on what the enemy did but the key was the blunt the enemy's mobility and momentum. It was a very "negative / turtle" way of playing the game, slow moving and usually unkillable. So much so that we used to get hate mail on the server forums LOL. And this strategy was effective against most of the top pvp guilds A-teams back when Xrealms came out and later on the early private servers. IMO warrior flag runner was seriously underrated. With the druid being a 10/10 flag runner, the warrior with the right gear was 9.5. D stance gives you massive mitigation, you are not vulnerable to fear or rogues, you have shield wall as an "oh shit" ability, piercing howl to slow down the entire enemy team, demo shout, thunder clap etc etc. Then your massive dodge, parry and block chance. Plus another Mortal strike on defense. Warriors were most vulnerable to mages + ironically other warriors. Then for the rest of the team com, the 2 mages + 2 warlocks + 1 elemental shaman (sometimes ran 2 resto shamans, or a tank/resto plus shaman because the caster dps was usually enough) provided huge burst damage which could not be mitigated. Then healers could give 2 x purge + 2 x dispel. 2 discipline priests with R14 gear would be basically unkillable and with the healers cross healing each other; plus resto shaman burst healing, toughness and ancestral fortitude = the entire team basically becomes 4 X as tanky. I found druid flag runners on horde to be overrated (though still very good). Horde druids are just never going to be as shifty as alliance druids and are especially vulnerable to rogues + warlocks. The key to Warrior flag runners was to support each other as the warrior flag runner spent more time exposed in the mid field. Keep moving, grind down your opponents and wins almost always followed. This also gave us better hunting capacity against the opponents defense and the locks just tear up druid flag runners. Then when the flag is captured, with a flag runner (warrior) immediately on offense, we could "turn around" and immediately run the flag again without having to risk a hand off. And with specific strategy calls, we would immediately be 2-0 up in a matter of minutes and the enemy premade in absolute disarray. IMHO trying to run the meta comp as horde, seems like its not taking advantage of the horde strengths. I had a few other strategies which features the ommitted classes but i usually built those around what we had available on the day itself. Have a rogue? Have him hug the flag runner (orc rogues here are underrated :))) ). Have a hunter? Play the hunter as a sweeper, etc etc. Or run double hunter with double entrapment. etc etc. My 2 cents. Miss the game dearly actually. Wish I still had my warrior, would love to try out my strategies against the top teams and players in the modern era. Just don't have the time to commit to gearing anymore. Nice guide though!

[@danforbes4513]

you are sooo right about the voice chat getting to a cluster fuck. and it can happen so fast that the leader has to yell over both def and attack team just to get orders out to the right guys. keep up the good vids i like watching them :)

[@agentdelta569]

I never knew so much thought was put into vanilla warsong gulch lol

[@Bollibompa]

Nerds will be nerds.

[@rvteam]

This is a great guide... thank you for providing worth while content

[@7thdayfallout]

great video, but that voice drives it home. so quiet, but so darn smooth

[@DomSchu]

Damn dude this shit is blowing my mind. I really gotta get in a premade group with my guild.

[@odb583]

Do you know if theres a working EnemyFrames addon for classic?

[@leeccilee7605]

This intro is soooooo 2005 ... I LOVE IT!

[@montys8th]

This is prime content, sub earned.

[@charmskool4402]

what is boomking role in wsg?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

They make a good distraction. When your opponents see a Boomkin on your team, they will be so confused they will forget how to play the game. Seriously though, Boomkin isn't a very good spec in Vanilla. It's playable in casual PvP if you have the right gear and spam Eng/consumes, but Boomkins don't really have a place in a serious premade.

[@Mieqo]

Hey, need help with this so I hope for any response... did I fuck up too much by making my Rogue Human instead of Dwarf/Gnome if I want to run pre-made RBGs ? He is 55 already, so I would never delete him, but I'm worried if people won't just shun me off in favor of Dwarfs/Gnomes instead. Does perception has a good use in RBGs or not at all? I am aware that having Alliance rogue in general is pretty dumb idea because of Orc's relentless, but all my friends went alliance and I did all the hordie stuff on Nostalrius, so I wanted to try out something new.

[@bonerwall]

this video is so good, great work! love your content

[@deric4305]

Due to rogue being so popular I want to run a druid when classic comes out what is the optimal spec for flag carrying as a druid

[@kboss4438]

Best part was the metal gear solid 1 alarm sound @ bad mage

[@recursion11]

I wish blizz had expanded world pvp instead of adding bgs and arenas

[@Sithedd]

You need big populations to do that.

[@RW77777777]

wintergrasp was a big hit in wotlk the lag was something else though

[@AXLee27]

Loving your videos. Subscribed

[@Itakio]

Thanks for this video man. I have a question though, have you ever tried doing a ball of death strategy where you're always 10 people strong? And what was good/bad about it?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Great question. When I rolled on my first Vanilla server in 2012 I was very confused by the way the Premaders approached Warsong Gulch. I had recently quit retail (late Cata/early MoP i think?) where of course RBGs were all about the "ball of death" strategy, DoT cleaves, etc. So when I was first being introduced to Vanilla BG's I thought the same thing, why not just run a 10 man pain train back and forth? A huge part of the reason its not effective in Vanilla is because a mitigation stat like Resil doesn't exist, and neither does the damage/healing downscaling in PvP that current retail has. In retail, flag carriers can tank a TON of damage, and as long as they're being healed and don't overextend they won't die. Vanilla just doesn't work like this. If even 3-4 enemies hard swap and connect on your FC they will kill him in the blink of an eye, especially in a premade vs premade game where everyone is geared. Flag carrying in Vanilla is much, much more about kiting and avoiding damage completely than modern WoW where a FC/Healer combo can tank multiple enemies as long as stacks aren't high. The other huge difference is that the BG map in Vanilla does not show the enemy flag carrier's position. In retail it shows the EFC on the map, so its completely pointless to try and be sneaky or play mind games in terms of juking and kiting. Good FC's in Vanilla are able to fake out their enemies and make clean escapes due to not being marked on the map. An incredible Druid can toy with the enemy offense without them ever even coming close to connecting on him. TLDR; Resil/scaling allows flag carriers to tank a lot of damage on retail, and the EFC being marked on the map takes away most of the mindgame meta that is so important for Vanilla flag carrying

[@Itakio]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming Thanks for the detailed response.That totally makes sense in the stalemate situation. What about when nobody has the flag though? Have you tried putting everyone in mid in the beginning except the druid and maybe a mage or two who go to get the flag? And of course I'm not saying it would be better, just asking for your opinion/what you've experienced.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Itakio mid control is pretty crucial especially in the early game. If your flag team manages to escape but you have no mid control they will probably die. It’s possible to win without mid control but it’s an uphill battle with 0 room for error. Having mid control is much better. Try to match your opponent’s mid presence and keep enemies controlled while your FC crosses

[@Itakio]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming I'm not seeing how this addresses my question. With my suggestion, mid should be under very good control. I'm basically saying you send everyone mid, including any defenders or anyone playing somewhat back (so maybe take a different class instead of a rogue?) and aim to engage the enemy team in mid, win the skirmish by outnumbering them (they are down a player/players because they probably have defenders), and then control mid from there. Meanwhile your druid and possibly mage are going to get the flag. From there, you are at an advantageous position, and once your druid/mage make it back to your base, you can converge on the EFC who should be split from his team. That's a totally ideal situation though, and I imagine it might not work out.

[@hcberserker2086]

Yo nice guide, why are you not using your rank 13 gear tho? Is it really better for rogues to play with pve gear for the bonuses rather than the pvp set gear?

[@derekdanger5584]

For warriors, what should our targets be in the mid fight? Strictly healers or what?

[@bass-dc9175]

Mainly Clothies. Warlocks are a good target if they do not get any peel. WL Trinket does not peel stuns or slows, so you can stick to them hard while you are fear imune. Kill their CC potential and then your team can go for FC without having to worry for fears. Mages are a suboptimal target tho. You as a warri have great damage and cc potential and are amazing at initiating fights. A well times mass fear can net your team an easy clothy kill (be it WL or Priest).

[@renragged]

I'm not calling that banana... I refuse.

[@Vvewa]

everyones just going to let 1 person zone in to check if its a premade, to avoid potential hour long games and only join if they are against a pug

[@Hastybolt]

I'm gonna have to watch this video 40 times now that WSG is coming to Classic WoW :D

[@weaksauce7570]

Hate to break it to you, if you’re not in a prepaid already. You’re probably sol

[@Turtlemilk]

As for shamans should shaman be a deep resto or like them typical hybrid ele/resto? I’m thinking of going pvp Deep resto w/ ghost wolf. Or should I stay 30/0/21?

[@stephenkamenar]

but have you considered 10 mages?

[@ager7541]

hey i have some questions about the addons you're using. what is the addon that announces "Player begins to cast X" or "Player gains X" at the top of the screen? (say "Player begins to cast Frostbolt" or "Player gains Evasion"). as well, what's the addon that shows cd/ability timers on the left side of the screen? (say at 7.15 you can see the timers for pw:s, sap and crippling poison) great vids as usual.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

SpellAlert is the one that gives you the big text when someone casts or pops a potion. The other one you're seeing is Natur ECB. The primary function of this addon is giving you an enemy cast bar (not part of the default Vanilla UI) but it also has great timers like the ones you mentioned at 7:15.

[@ager7541]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming hey thanks for the answer! i have downloaded both addons but can't seem to get timers for abilities. would you mind posting what are your settings for necb?

[@tanakaojj]

which best class/race to heal middle in WSG?

[@ultrajoe274]

Pretty sure is paladin becuse its the tankiest healer

[@tanakaojj]

@@ultrajoe274 Dwarf or human?

[@nimanori2852]

@@tanakaojj dwarf, no question.

[@lootplx]

Very informative, gj!

[@andrewsoundtrack]

Nice video, a shame that its almost imposible to play WSG properly since everybody prefers to spam and be afk on AV... bg that i find very boring.

[@billyumbraskey8135]

Good vod liked and subbed.

[@Nico-sw1sq]

Me watching: aight so it’s like nfl but Azeroth variation with 2 balls(flags) : Hunter - qb Rogues - safety Mage - wr/cb Dru - rb Mid squad - linemans Warlock - lb Priest - idk TE

[@Xaq03]

Btw m8. Those wallclimbing tricks will not be in classic, blizz is using the wotlk client which has anti-wallclimbing features. However, in wotlk private servers, priests can use levitate to run along walls infinitely in a straight line but I'm sure they will fix that.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

People got into the BG files on the demo client and the jumps shown were still available. There is a difference between wall jumps and pixel jumps which are shown. Obviously this could change before Classic releases, but it seems the jumps shown and a few others are here to stay.

[@Xaq03]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming oh, dank

[@maverickbeal2030]

Banana? That's the back ramp.

[@tylerdurden8191]

if you enter tunnel from mid.. it's the first door on the right. "banana"s up to the Roof

[@rumid2332]

good video bud

[@CaptmagiKono]

So which faction do you think has a larger advantage in this sort of set up? Seems like Shamans having purge is a pretty big deal, not sure if paladins have that much comparatively.

[@t3hpenguinofd00m4]

Hard to say but having the freedom to heal uninterrupted in a tight spot for 10 seconds is bigger in my opinion.

[@majormarketing6552]

Horde racials are great.

[@t3hpenguinofd00m4]

@@majormarketing6552 Will of the forsaken is only OP in 1v1, mages can iceblock fear 2 times over already, warriors already have a toolkit to deal with fear and rogues can trinket out. Priests get way worse racials on horde. Really the only horde racial that stands out in pvp is Orc stun resist.

[@IWillSexU]

aah the good old henhouse..

[@agaborys3512]

Hi Ohhgee. Love your video's! I was wondering if you could give us some insight about the optimal gear for pvp! I'm mainly going to raid BWL/AQ to get some parts to fill up my marshal/field marshal gear, but can't find much information about this subjet.

[@leglonglon]

Depends of your class man. Some classes like mage or Priest do really well with pvp ranking Gear but other classes like hunter have really sh!tty PvP sets so they're better off running with pve Gear.

[@foxmulder8955]

@@leglonglon all classes benefit from having 2 parts epic pvp set for the stamina bonus. Rest you go max damage or hp/armor/mana for flag carriers

[@Mexoliath]

Really nice video

[@malkavian6275]

Are there any premades for AV or AB? AV premades sounds like they could be fun lol.

[@eLmasten1991]

Great video, what server is that? Vanilla PVP server

[@Oh_its_Mike]

As a multi-glad/multi-hero mage, i actually did learn something from this. There's a lot of things I wrongly assumed based off of retail rbg's. It's gonna be fun to go back to that control-based play style instead of just going fire and running at EFC's with a rogue. Appreciate the video, my dude.

[@Boxedwaffle]

When did premades start abusing consumables so heavily? Is this a nost-baby thing?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

The Boxedwaffle The average level of tryhard has just been going up constantly for years. On Feenix there were only a handful of players known for spamming consumes (I was one of them). On early Nostalrius ranking was super competitive and it became pretty common to use consumes in Premade VS Premade. Post-Nost it is 100% standard to spam FAPs. The meta has basically evolved to the point that you need to anticipate consume usage

[@Boxedwaffle]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming That's horrifying and disappointing. Leave consumables to the tryhard speedrunners.

[@xalberrious]

Av guide for the next patch going over the meta?

[@zylle1993]

Earned a sub duude

[@AdrenalinePvP]

Great video

[@sasa1982uk]

Just give me a Feral druid with freeaction potions and 2 frost mages.

[@Ho55Delux]

@ohhgee Haptix gaming, name of casterbar? Looks so clean. Sub btw

[@-41337]

Some actual pro content in a sea of noobs? What is this the twilight zone? Downvoted by people salty for lost secrets, or noobs.

[@CozomWoW]

theres tons of steezy server streams, u would already have watched them play and know all this stuff if u werent a freshcuck. and u still wont use the information anyway cus u cant. ye good vid but its mental masturbation, like moo telling tipsout viewers how to get r14

[@-41337]

@@CozomWoW Another salty hater! OG really is doing well :)

[@mekkiepoo]

I downvoted for the hour long intro :D

[@wutzit2069]

Great vid, thanks Your audio is uneven btw

[@quentinrufin4025]

I often play warsong on lvl 70 and I found the best tactic to group as 10 and kill the flag carrier as a group of 10. Of course this does not work for arathi bassin.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Quentin Rufin yeah this only really works because of Resil. In Vanilla it’s usually not ideal to run a 10 man pain train setup because if your healers get Silenced or CC’d your FC can die in a global. Flag Carriers in Vanilla can’t tank damage forever like they can with Resil. It’s all about kiting It’s also important to remember that the map doesn’t show the EFC’s position in Vanilla. In TBC+ the EFC is marked on your map so you always know where he is. In Vanilla, good flag carriers are constantly juking/faking out the enemy offense, slipping away and making them lose track of him

[@emixonalgaert4376]

Quality shit, gets you another sub.

[@mikeharry24]

what server do u play on my guy?

[@mariemonte5848]

After this Video i feel so noob. Damn good Video.

[@MazaniWastaken]

What does SP replace ?

[@JustinKork]

Yooooooo! What P server? How quickly could I level/gear and get into these competitive groups??

[@mekkiepoo]

There is no way in hell I am calling that ramp Banana! lol

[@SamSam-bg6ok]

Will NOPE come back on classic ? please say yes, vanilla private is not the same without u

[@Ledwow]

what server was this on?

[@Rall707]

Please don't assume all your viewers know the acronyms, even though they are meta. I'm here to learn... Good vid (y)

[@victorwinqvist4277]

Preferd spec on the lock? SL? Sm/ruin? Destro?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

Victor Winqvist All are viable but Drakedog spec is best. This is the optimal spec that the best Warlocks play. I think it’s 19/0/32. Soul Link is easier to play but much lower skill ceiling.

[@foxmulder8955]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming conflag nightfall is good but so is sm/ruin. Soul link is actually harder to play in warsong gulch because it has lower burst and range if speced into shadow burn, so it's harder to connect with efc and running players. Using the extra tankiness and taking advantage of the master demo buffs makes it actually much higher skill ceiling.

[@SQUADSYSTEM]

oso guide bro, can you do an AV guide please?

[@mattjcu]

Where do shadow priests fit into the meta? can they fill one of the priest spots?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

M Schertzer yeah, running with a Shadow Priest is definitely viable as long as he knows how to play properly. Will still need to use a lot of globals dispelling and Power Word Shielding people. Also no random Shadow Word Pains, it does garbage damage and only prevents your team from being able to CC

[@TheRoudyzor]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming shadow word pain is strongest dot in the game. *Garbage damage" my ass, sucker

[@billyumbraskey8135]

the wall jumps are cheese tbh and oversights not intended "skill cap" checks.

[@weaksauce7570]

You should do a video about how to get out of GY traps lol

[@Skiplegday1]

I never heard any1 call the "Reg" hut, "Leaf" hut.

[@Zoroastre7]

good job !

[@hichamelbachari2655]

good video plz more

[@StealthBlackHand]

Too bad this will almost never be applied because players will dodge other premades for easy and mindless honor farming. When finished ranking these players are bored of the game and the whole state of the game suffers from this mentatlity. Why farm the gear at all if the players can't even us the potential because they will be either stomped by a communicating group or have boring wins. Both sides suffer and stomping a pug with a prem is BORING as fuck. Who would ever do that for months just to get the worthless epics? One is pretty much geared out for many slots but one can't even pvp properly with it becaus of the prem dodging issues. And AV is also the victim of the player mentality. They rather have quick losses or fast wins than actually fighting other players. Fast rushes in AV are boring and have nothing to do with pvp - Players who actually defend In AV are insulted by the lazy afk players who want a fast loss. This will be a problem and destroys the entire BG pvp of the game. I see no hope for classic when many players will have this mentality. Stand afk in IF with r14 gear all day.

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

You're absolutely right and its a damn shame. Don't worry, a video about this is coming soon. I really want to get a conversation started about dodging because it needs to be fixed or most servers will have toxic PvP.

[@tomselby24]

what private server do people even play on now?

[@Midnight_Freefall]

Everyone knows a rogue's role in WSG is to camp the graveyard

[@bimchi]

What does fap mean?

[@MrTankFodder]

Wank. Also it might mean Free Action Potion.

[@manickronic]

Free action potion

[@TheBlorgish]

Free Action Potion, it makes you immune to movement impairing effects like slows. But only immunity, it does not remove current slows. So it is typically used as a precautionary potion, or just before encountering an enemy

[@montys8th]

Oh thank god, for a minute there I thought someone was calling for a dispel on a wank.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

@@MrTankFodder Let's be honest, they kinda feel the same, right? Nothing quite like liberating yourself at the right moment.

[@alexcarey7267]

How long do matches like these normally last?

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

I remember pickup WSGs lasting around an hour back in BC... the gameplay was mostly same.

[@sasha_yudin504]

Is this the same Haptix from SoM?

[@OhhgeeHaptixGaming]

i didnt play SoM, that guy wasn't me. I had a Rogue named Haptix on TBC classic. But I havent played WoW in 2-3 years.

[@sasha_yudin504]

@@OhhgeeHaptixGaming Oh thank you for corresponding back !

[@tylerdurden8191]

"FAP" Free Action Potion (5 sec immunity from all CC... I think)

[@bradhorner]

FAP potion is like taking steroids and viagra.

[@jel0995]

what server is this!?

[@YellowBoltTC]

Can’t wait to play classic, I haven’t played in like 10 or so years

[@HM-uu9ug]

Enjoyed it?

[@LSB001]

Except Classic won't have people with a thousand FAPs in their inventory, spamming them on CD. Many of your strats rely on infinite consumables, which is completely unfeasible.