Ohio Suspended 200K Driver's Licenses Last Year

[@josephweaver7140]

200k drivers licenses suspended last year. Only 6 people actually stopped driving because their license got suspended.

[@jhoughjr1]

why would they be a second class citizen when they dont have to?

[@jpnewman1688]

​@@jhoughjr1if you're not in the ruling class, you're just a slave in 🇺🇸.. 😂😂

[@jeromethiel4323]

Civil disobedience is a tactic.

[@mikepalmer1971]

When the government becomes tyrannical there is nothing wrong with ignoring said government.

[@cronobactersakazakii5133]

@@jpnewman1688ok then why would you be a second class slave then ?

[@joesterling4299]

I'm familiar with the Ohio idiocy of suspending driver's licenses for issues entirely unrelated to motor vehicles or their operation. Child support in particular is laughable, since how is someone who loses his ability to drive to work going to make money to pay child support?

[@bertroost1675]

The point is they don't care.

[@j.l.m.6862]

Both valid points.

[@jhoughjr1]

The same way anyone else who cant drive is expected to participate in society maybe?

[@crazzywolfie]

i think the bigger question you are missing is how did they get that far behind in child support? i would say a lot of the time the people who loose their license for child support are generally deadbeats that try to avoid paying at all cost which eventually cost them their license. i know i have seen it before. they have no problem supporting all their bad habits but never paid child support till they lost their license.

[@LifeBetweenTheDash]

Then there are all the errors that remain embedded in the system when the officials don't correct your record.

[@yt650]

A man who worked for me was divorced and he had court ordered child support. Before he worked for me he spent time overseas and made lots of money. His court ordered child payments were based on that income. When that job came to a conclusion, his earnings dropped significantly in the US, from around $150,000 a year to $50,000 a year. When he couldn’t make the court ordered child support, they took his license and his ability to work. He went to work for me but not driving a vehicle and occasionally they would arrest him him for not paying child support in the amount specified. He was a 1099 independent contractor. On two occasions I paid $2000 to the court so he would be released from jail. Eventually he committed suicide. The unintended consequences of government that has no exceptions to anything when it comes to child support. The other unintended consequences is that his child 12 years later is now an adult and absolutely positively without doubt hate his mother as a result of this. Unintended consequences.

[@davidh9638]

You have to go back to court and have the child support reevaluated.

[@jhoughjr1]

So do what the blind do. You dont need a car to work. Learn to code work remote and never leave the house. Noone needs a car to have a job. Im just lazy.

[@yt650]

@@davidh9638 When they refused to change it, he just gave up.

[@TheBrokenLife]

I knew a dude who was a 1099 contractor expressly to avoid paying child support... If his baby mama found out where he worked, he'd just change to another 1099 job. I quite suspect he wasn't paying any taxes either, because she would have found him that way too. It's sad that the courts can't tell the difference between a complete scumbag like the guy I knew or a guy that simply had changing circumstances. It seems the scumbags are always one step ahead.

[@yt650]

@@gretchenk.2516 There’s always more to the story. It took quite a while for me to learn what it was all about. He was uninformed when it came to legalities. Unfortunately for him his wife had worked for a number of years for an attorney so she knew every screw to turn to make things bad for him. His family which supported him emotionally had no clue either. The family thought that when he got arrested for not complying with the child support dictates of the court, his wife did it, but in fact it was because a judge signed a arrest warrant for him. Sometimes these things are next to impossible to fix. Two families were ruined over this.

[@tywal]

Yep, sounds like debtors prison tactics. Really impacts the poorest members of society and pushes them into a downward spiral of fines, imprisonment and hopelessness.

[@jpnewman1688]

I bet those poor people VOTED repeatedly for the corrupt system to be their masters then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂

[@daveb2280]

I knew a couple of friends whose license was suspended for DUI. They used public transportation and got around pretty well without driving. Once they served their suspension they went back to driving. Since when is driving a vehicle a sacred right?

[@jpnewman1688]

@@daveb2280 did you know your right to breathe was not covered by the constitution and original bill of rights?? 😂😂

[@CPreacher40]

the poorest people in my area are criminal, welfare, deadbeat drug addicts and the cops will literally do nothing to them. catch and release at most. but if you are a well doing, law abiding citizen they will go after you hard to make a name for themselves. tired of hearing "they only go after poor people" or "the law only effects poor people" when that is a load of bs.

[@gridtac2911]

​@@daveb2280🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 traveling is a right. Read the constitution and bill of rights some time

[@Echowhiskeyone]

I had my Pennsylvania driver license suspended for a speeding ticket in Florida. I paid the ticket and Florida never recorded it, thus my license was suspended due to non-payment, even though I have the receipt. I had a rock fall and disable my car, police showed up and discovered my suspended license. I got home, grabbed the receipt and went to the station, they already destroyed my license against policy. Then I went to the Diver License Center, talked to them, they made a few calls and I got a new license within 24 hours having my license taken and destroyed. All due to Florida's screw up. Luckily I had the needed paperwork.

[@internallyinteral]

Good on your for being responsible

[@TheBrokenLife]

I have a fun one similar to that... I got a speeding ticket one night, which I earned, a couple hours away from home. I called the court a few days later to pay it and they didn't have a record of it. This went on week after week until my court date arrived. So my choice was to not pay the ticket and risk an arrest warrant if the cop happened to turn it in 2 minutes before court, or take a day off of work and drive hours away from home to attend court. So... I went to court. I fully expected the judge to tell me to simply get lost after explaining the situation, but instead she asked to see my ticket, which the court then made a copy of, and then proclaimed that they suddenly "found it". I paid and left and never heard anything about it again, but this experience taught me that I should have just hired a lawyer to either fight or settle the ticket on my behalf (any ticket... ever again). I will never again decide to just "pay" a ticket without representation.

[@gmoffat70]

Florida is terrible about that. I had to fight in court to prove that I paid. I paid and Florida said I didn't. They even said my receipt was forged. Had to get a court order to force the clerk to acknowledge my payment.

[@108gk]

Florida probably eliminated the "Deep State" job of tracking and properly recording payments. I'm still trying to understand some people in government want to drown themselves in a bathtub.

[@shekharmoona544]

Desantis likes this.

[@briangarrow448]

I have also noticed that many courts no longer handle the payment of fines for traffic violations. You must deal with a private company that adds a surcharge to your ticket. I’m wondering how much money they have to pay in order to get that particular contract. The company that I dealt with for a traffic violation was a subsidiary of a local bail bondsman company. Isn’t that convenient?!

[@johngalt97]

It may well be that if strict accounting were observed, you'd pay a lot more for an inefficient government to process the fine. Since its more difficult to hold government accountable for anything, it may be easier to hold the private company accountable, too, as long as you keep the receipt. The bail bondsman might have weekend hours, or 24 hr. online options?

[@user-op7st7wd4e]

There needs to be class action lawsuits over third parties charging people to pay fines. It's basically increasing a penalty without due process.

[@L337f33t]

Suspending a driver’s license in America is practically a death sentence for most of the middle and lower income people. If you can’t drive to your job then how do you pay to get it back? It’s just another shackle to keep the poor in check.

[@ElyseLieberman-q3x]

dont be a bad driver. People dont get ticket for nothing. My dad had a saying, you can drive as fast as you can afford.

[@DCBChump]

@@ElyseLieberman-q3x This rarely has anything to do with bad driving. I once had my license suspended for a fine from not cutting my grass.

[@Cody_Handsome]

Speeding is one of many things police make up on the spot to justify stopping you and impeding your freedom. It can happen to anybody.

[@L337f33t]

@@ElyseLieberman-q3x but what if you’re just driving along “as fast as you can afford” and a boy in blue decides he hasn’t had enough tickets for today?

[@ropefreeze1660]

@@Cody_Handsome Exactly, I think cops let people speed "just a lil bit" because it gives them free reign to pull over anybody. A cop can pull you for 5 over and the only thing you get is "well that's bs" from your friends and family.

[@windmonkey95]

When you have laws this counter-intuitive and this detrimental to its citizens, it becomes obvious that it’s not about maintaining order, nor is it about making money for the state, it’s about control at ALL costs.

[@jabrockobiden9434]

Become uncontrollable

[@OneWildTurkey]

It all started in a town named Karen, Ohio.

[@allineedis1mike81]

I think its all about momentum. The people enforcing all this BS are just doing what the people before them did. It makes them feel as if it's not their problem regardless of the consequences. Everyone's job has some kind of stupid policy employees continue. Government employees are just like everyone else. That's literally the problem.

[@CreativityNull]

I would say it's probably more a stupid system someone came up with that ran out of control, and when they realized what negative impact it was having, as well as the cost and political issues fixing it, they decided to not fix it, especially since it was making them more money to not fix it. I don't think this necessarily started out as malice, and it's even possible it didn't start out as greed, but the fact that it keeps going on like this despite the government having ample notice of how harmful it is, it's now deliberately both malice and greed.

[@goaway3717]

It's about having prisoners to exploit for slave labor in the privatized prison system. Pure and simple.

[@auntlouise]

Ohio suspended my license because they sent me a letter in the mail that they needed proof of insurance - I was not pulled over. Then they sent me a letter with a fine and a notice that my license had been suspended until I provide proof of insurance AFTER I SENT MY PROOF in. My son doesn't own a car, and they suspended his license because he didn't have proof of insurance - he had a drivers license but he wasn't driving anything. They claimed that they never received it. They also allow random attorneys to request that you provide your income tax records for over 10 years ago to prove that you paid them, and if you don't provide it they will fine you $600 for "failure to pay taxes" because the burden of proof belongs to you, the tax payer. In addition to your state income taxes, you have to pay city taxes in the city where you work and the city where you live, you have to pay school taxes in the city where you work and the city where you live (and you have to pay school fees directly to the school or they won't give your children their diplomas). I fled the state when Kasich became governor (he has a whole history of crap behind him) and I will never go back. Whenever anyone tells me that they want to move there, i tell them of all of the tax bull$hit and school fees and their nightmare fines that pop up everywhere.

[@CreativityNull]

Yup, if you have a driver's license Ohio requires you to pay for liability insurance, even if you don't own a vehicle, just in case you drive someone else's car. That liability insurance only covers the property they damaged with the car they drove, not the car they were driving. That would have to be covered by the comprehensive and collision coverage of the vehicle itself, but many companies won't let you use that to cover it if you don't have the person who wrecked your car listed as a driver prior to the accident. A lot of policies won't let you list the other person if they're away from your house for more than 6 months out of the year (sometimes more or sometimes less) and if you do list them anyways, when they do the investigation for the claim they'll try to not cover it for that reason, and screw you if you were paying more premium because you had them listed. To be fair, not all companies are this bad, but most of them are. For profit insurance companies are a government required scam. The government should just require you to keep a certain percentage of your net earnings (after tax, or hell even untaxable) in a government controlled account or some kind of bank account just in case some kind of liability happens (and yes, I realize there are also numerous problems with this, but I'm just being brief and don't want to go into a whole dissertation about it.) Also yeah, they do charge you if you don't reinstate in time after they suspend you, then change your license status from suspended to "failure to reinstate." I don't know if they send that to collections but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Why is there no option to just say "fine, I wasn't using it anyways."

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Crap like that will result in more Killdozers.

[@JT-un7dc]

Wow, that is taxing the poor.

[@vicktorpatriot1430]

​@@MonkeyJedi99not often enough.

[@app103]

​@CreativityNull In NJ, cars are insured, not individual drivers. You have to show proof of liability insurance to register your vehicle and get your plates. And if you don't pay your insurance bill and the insurance company drops you, they will also inform the DMV that they aren't covering you anymore,so a cop can stake out your house, waiting for anyone to pull the car out of the driveway, then nail whoever the driver is for driving without insurance.

[@64chrislee]

This is not about public safety, it's about generating revenue for the state.

[@jhoughjr1]

No its about people that cant follow the rules not being on the road.

[@GENXJOPLIN]

​@@jhoughjr1tell me your parents were siblings without telling me that your parents were siblings

[@CreativityNull]

Wouldn't surprise me if the car insurance companies have something to do with this. In order to get unsuspended in Ohio for any reason, you have to pay your insurance company to get a special certification of insurance called an SR22. Insurance companies were already sending the same information to the state that would be on an SR22, but now there's a special certification they can charge for that doesn't effectively do anything different. Source: I work IT for an insurance company that sells in Ohio (yes, I feel awful, but I'm trying to get my experience and learn then GTFO)

[@MrPland1992]

@@CreativityNullpretty sure I’ve never had to pay extra for an sr22

[@auntlouise]

@@jhoughjr1 Ohio suspended my license because they mailed me a random letter that they needed proof, not because they pulled me over. When I mailed them the proof they still suspended my license and charged me a fine, claiming that they never received it. I mailed it registered mail, and had the proof, but they stated that they don't show any record of receiving it so I still had the pay the fine to get my license reinstated. It is ALL about generating revenue for the state.

[@adamcavanaugh4940]

In Ohio they will also send you a letter that demands you send them proof of insurance even without a law enforcement contact. I had that happen twice, and both times I sent in proof only to have it rejected, have to drive to the office and show even the same thing I mailed and then they accepted it.

[@Bob-Lob-Law]

I’ve received that letter three times all three times I mailed them my policy all three times got a letter back saying thank you very much. I always assumed it was because I owned 11 cars

[@nanohatakamachi5755]

The Ohio BMV discontinued that practice a few years ago. To my knowledge they have not resumed it

[@jpnewman1688]

Did you remember saying thanks to your masters?? 😂😂

[@MonkeyJedi99]

That would make me want to nail the proof to the forehead of the person responsible.

[@TheSimba86]

I got selected for that once, had to dig around and find a bunch of old insurance cards to prove I had had insurance for the past year

[@georgemead6608]

About 30 years ago I got a fix-it ticket and paid the fine late in Lost Wages Nevada. I didn't know that NV automatically suspended your license in such cases and drove for about 2 years only to find out that I could not renew my license because it was suspended for more than a year and therefore I was required to retake the the driveers test and had to make an appointment. The earliest available appointment was two months away.

[@franko8572]

You got your license suspended for paying the ticket late? How late?

[@angrydragonslayer]

​@@franko8572if it's nevada, i guess at least a minute late

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

The LVMPD illegally suspended my license. The NV DMV ordered to reinstate it. It was really bizarre. Apparently they thought they could just suspend my license as soon as I was pulled over. Worst part was I was the victim of a hit and run on the freeway by a person the cops were chasing. One officer pulled behind me when I pulled off to the side of the road. I was side swiped and my driver's side mirror was torn completely off. They wrote me a fix-it ticket for that too.

[@georgemead6608]

@@franko8572 I don't recall exactly, the suspension was for FTA. I didn't present proof of correction to the court before the date on the ticket. When I finally went to court and paid the fine I did not know that I had to personally go to the DMV and present the proof to them to clear my DL.

[@onyourwing5696]

Yeah, Nevada sure has a lot of unjust "auto" suspensions & infractions harassment. They had(have?) automatic suspension of their license plates if vehicle's insurance elapses. TLDR: Avoid Nevada least you become an ATM for the state! Storytime:... Was an itinerant industrial constuction/maintenance hand working as pipefitter/welder/boilermaker/rigger for too many years. Finally retired, wooHOO! Travelled most of the "lower 48" working projects in oil fields, refineries, powerplants, chem plants, etc. Many states'-counties'-towns' LEOs would target temporary Industrial workers for highway piracy. Force us to register our vehicles and new DLs, because we were somehow considered a "resident" for our few months of employment. Was ticketed multiple times in a Henderson, NV job-site parking lot for having Colorado plates, (actual permanant residence) then forced to pay for Nevada plates & DL. Not to mention all the other hassles from loss of wages to appear in court, increased insurance rates, fees, fines, yada yada... All for a 5 1/2 month temporary job. Then, after getting legally re-established as Colorado resident, worked a 4 1/2 month project in Battle Mtn., NV... Same sh*t again!!! Finished the projects and continued my quest for $$, life, liberty and the pursiut of happiness elsewhere vowing NEVER to work in Nevada again. (Invited to work the Solar project construction at Primm, NV... but declined.) :P Needless to say, after MANY subsequent vehicle registrations in various other states... "Affordable minimum coverage Insurance"(sic) eventually failed to inform Nevada that vehicle was insured. So they suspended the NEVADA license plates. (A LONG time past when vehicle was registered there). Next time got pulled over, guess what happened?!? After close to $10K of lost wages, multiple trips cross-country back to Henderson, NV to appear, court costs, legal fees, yada yada. Including the added charges for the false infraction... Took years to resolve. Fugg'd mah LIFE over real good! Got other legal horror stories about getting Californicated and "Visit on vacation - leave on probation, Colorado". But I'll refrain unless asked. ;) IMO, crap like this is why Cops ALWAYS immediately require ID... So they can see if you've been screwed-over by another infraction scam, therefore considers the citizen a "mark" for further immoral harassment, eh? End QUALFIED IMMUNITY and CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE!! 🤑

[@GOAP68]

I had my Ohio driver’s license suspended years ago. Found out when I went to renew it. City of Columbus claimed they gave me a single ticket for expired parking meter. I never got a ticket on the car, nothing in the mail, and it was 9 months earlier so couldn’t recall if I had visited that part of the city on that day and time. Had to spend 1/2 day to visit Columbus and their municipal building downtown to pay the fine before I could renew my driver’s license. It felt like a money grab but there wasn’t anything I could do but pay them.

[@jayj6770]

I know for a while Ohio had sent letters to drivers to provide proof of insurance (for no reason). If you didn't respond, the would suspend your license and not tell you. Also the cost to restore your license after an OVI suspension is about $500.

[@jpnewman1688]

Danm, they really know how to run a racket in double holes.. 😂😂

[@joshuagibson2520]

And most people only find out on the roadside and end up taken to jail. That's how it works in Montgomery county anyway.

[@imchris5000]

they did it that way for two reasons one it caught out people that were lying about where they lived and two it caught out the people with no insurance I got one of those letters all I had to do was go down to the local library make a photo copy of my insurance card for 5 cents and mail it back

[@donixion4368]

Yeah, that child support suspension stuff makes about as much sense as sending people to jail for being behind on child support. In fact, your professional license can be suspended for being behind on child support. It makes no sense to suspend someone's license and have them lose their job and then put them in jail where it costs the taxpayers 41k a year to house them.

[@lilsheba1]

then they SHOULD HAVE PAID IT to begin with!

[@ababcb3005]

@@lilsheba1 It isn't as simple as that. You have to consider that a lot of people are being suspended at the same time that the Fed is hiking interest rates. I don't believe this to be a coincidence - in fact, the Fed outright said that unemployment rising is inevitable as a result of rising interest. If there is a sharp increase in suspensions *now*, that would indicate to me to be a problem caused by the current economic conditions rather than a willful increase in deadbeatness on the part of the people getting suspended.

[@letsburn00]

It's one of those laws that was set up for a very specific set of people. But then got applied very widely. There are people who commit fraud with child support and some way to punish them is reasonable. But then it applies them aggressively. If you create laws for a limited group of extreme offenders, you need to make sure it only applies to them. The court system strongly goes against poor people. That's the core issue in almost all these cases.

[@sarowie]

@@lilsheba1 imaging you do not thrust people, so child support is directly collected from the employer. Then imaging the employer deducts the child support, but is slow in forwarding it to the state and the state is slow on handing it to the mother. The mother needs the cash, because she needs to pay for things, so she forces the father to pay. He can't because after deduction of child support payments from his paychecks, there is barely enough to survey. So, bright idea: Suspend his license so he can not get to work, so that he looses his job.

[@donixion4368]

@@letsburn00 Indeed, studies have shown that many of those who are behind on support are simply too poor to pay it and that if they had the money they would pay. As far as fraud goes, most instances of fraud of any type when it comes to child support come from the custodial parent. The laws were indeed meant to punish those who have the means but do not pay and there are carveouts for those who can not pay but, as you say, the law is applied to people who should be left alone.

[@steveladner4346]

You have to pay to be free in the land of the fee.

[@YenRug]

The amount of suspensions is insane, but thought I'd just check: 8.1M issued licenses in the State of Ohio. Steve said there were 1.5M suspensions? That's 18.5%, getting close to 1/5 of all drivers suspended, are they trying to destroy their State's economy?

[@jeffjones6951]

GREAT SHIRT! (I'm from Pittsburgh) Was also in sync with your topic: things that have SUSPENSION

[@mikecrooks8085]

The worst thing I have seen about suspended license laws is that the driver continues to drive with the suspended license and now they are uninsured driving around. My state says you have to have a valid license or the insurance will not cover you. Where I live public transport is virtually worthless and people have to have use of a vehicle to get around or you are as good as homebound. I seen a local TV report on some people driving without a license some had not been licensed since they were in their teens. They stay in an endless cycle of moving violations and accidents (some with no accidents) where they have been 10, 20, 30 years without a license because the idiotic court system keeps adding years and extending their suspended license. This system does not appear to have the intended result and only seems to punish those who pay for insurance as now our good insurance has to cover all the uninsured drivers out there. Also people with these suspended licenses are now precluded from many better jobs in perpetuity because they don't qualify for employment without a license. I am not sure what the fix for this stupid system is, but surely there could be a better way.

[@ElyseLieberman-q3x]

Yep. but make sure you have the uninsured/underinsured auto coverage on your vehicle. But yes, it costs us more for them not having license.

[@mikecrooks8085]

@@ElyseLieberman-q3x In my stupid state uninsured motorist will only give you medical coverage, it will not cover damage to your payed for car. For some strange reason will cover your car only if bank is being given payments once your title is clear good luck. Insurance people told me it is to reduce the price of uninsured coverage.

[@jpnewman1688]

So you don't know driver license was not required by most states until late 1960s?? 😂😂

[@TArnoldFerguson]

It’s interesting that one guy got a ticket in Cleveland for not using his turn signal. I used to live in Cleveland and remember that rhe police hardly ever used their signals.

[@johngalt97]

In Iowa you don't have to use a turn signal unless you're "turn(ing) a vehicle from a direct course upon a highway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety…". Courts have ruled it generally means taking a 90 degree turn, and doesn't apply to changing lanes, as long as the lane change is made 'safely'. If you're referencing the 90 degree turns, Iowa cops often do this shite without signaling at all, too, not to mention failing to use the signal "continuously during not less than the last one hundred feet traveled by the vehicle before turning when the speed limit is forty-five miles per hour or less and a continuous signal during not less than the last three hundred feet when the speed limit is in excess of forty-five miles per hour". I've thought of making a KZbin channel showing dash-cam of 'bad drivers' in my city, with a special section for the cops and city vehicles, that can be referenced in official complaints. I dislike it that cops don't make even a reasonable effort to enforce rolling stops, but instead use the 'tolerated' practice to give special scrutiny to those who observe and follow the stop law. I've even been pulled over because, even though I did stop, the cop "wasn't sure if I stopped, or not"

[@jimsix9929]

I live in Akron Ohio, just this morning was behind an Akron police car, no turn signals, they just went past stop signs like they were not there

[@bmacd2112]

In Ohio, paying a fine does not automatically reinstate your DL if it was suspended. After paying the fine you must go to the State DMV office and pay a reinstatement fee as well. This happened to me back in '97. At that time the reinstatement fee was an additional $500!

[@Thunarvin]

I'm unsurprised. I once got a ticket driving through Ohio, paid it promptly, but they had my home state suspend my license anyway. When I called, they acknowledged that it should have never been suspended and gave me the option of paying $900 to get them to send a letter to my home state to reinstate my license, or I could come back, get a court date and have a judge issue an order stating that it was done in error... Which would take about 6 months and cost thousands. All part of the cash scams our governments run.

[@michaelcre8]

Ohio, Minnesota and New Jersey are speed traps.

[@TomsBackyardWorkshop]

Whats most infuriating to me about this is these laws really only apply to poor people. A rich person wouldnt even bother fighting it they just pay the fine and keep breaking the law.

[@jimwhitehead1532]

You are correct. "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France, in the tragic love story "The Red Lily" (1894).

[@jump429]

Really this effects working middle class, most of the poor especially in the big cities have given up on driving legally it cost too much and for them there are no consequences, they drive for free not having driver license, insurance, legitimate license plates or registration. Police officer are instructed to not to give traffic tickets or arrest a poor person unless involved in a crash or other crime it's is a waste of resources. Even when arrested if it's non violent crime they are set free before officer can fill out paperwork because their is no space in the jail they will not show up for court so what is the city to do. Have you heard of "traffic calming" basically create traffic jams, install speed humps, unnecessary traffic lights and stop signs to slow traffic so less chance of a serious wreck. This is widespread throughout many Ohio Cites, I have seen it in Cincinnati and Toledo they have literally shut down Lanes of traffic just to create a traffic jam and are prod of it. Just wait it is coming to your small town soon anything avoiding the real problem, besides you don't have anything important to do you can sit in traffic along with everybody else who uses the road ways for free.

[@ianrice5656]

That's the idea of points, "win" enough points for stupid actions, "win" a stupid prize i.e. lose your license

[@NathanLJustice]

@@jump429 Have any proof of this? I highly doubt it.

[@iansanderson]

Steve, you nailed it. Once you’re in the system (and poor), it feels like an impossible task to get out. Snowball effect

[@mikepalmer1971]

Not even necessarily poor but just working class. And to take care of anything you have to miss work and lose more money. Our system is crap.

[@christopherconkright1317]

punished for being poor is so common. I always say it cost more to be poor.

[@user-no1cares]

Everybody knows it’s against the law to be poor in the US.

[@j.l.m.6862]

Yes, it costs more to be poor.

[@christopherconkright1317]

@@user-no1cares when I was a young father I was on food stamps. We got 3$ a day and was treated like I was steal peoples money. When they went to cards it was way better.

[@user-no1cares]

You were a father to your kids, may the good of that follow you through your life & theirs.

[@christopherconkright1317]

@@user-no1cares I do my best spending the hardest thing to get in america time with your kids is one hundred percent necessary.

[@model3forever91]

100% true. I live in Ohio for 20 years and I have been suspended three times. The last time I got suspended I was actually parked in my driveway and the cop ran my tag they gave me a ticket for suspension. I consulted a lawyer who told me it would probably be a lot cheaper to just pay the court and go to court. I also had a kick a driving class that cost a hundred bucks and 8 hours long. The amount of Highway Patrol and police that we have here is utterly ridiculous. Also regarding insurance, not one cop asked for proof even though I do have insurance. I learned to just give it to them when I give my driver's license

[@jpnewman1688]

So how many times did you VOTE for your masters?? 😂😂

[@mikepalmer1971]

@@jpnewman1688yes because that makes a difference. Lol no matter who is in charge the people at the top win and the working class loses.

[@imchris5000]

@@jpnewman1688 the real masters are not elected

[@iknklst]

I've had an Ohio driver's license for 52 years now, I've driven commercial vehicles for half that time for over two million miles, not once have I ever had my license suspended or even come close to it. Maybe stop doing stupid things?

[@robertott2631]

@@iknklstwell whoooopy doooooopy do, for you.

[@CallegriaofSoulbound]

You already know this Steve but it is worth saying again, if the only punishment is a fee then that law is to punish the poor and therefor discriminative. As such, it should be illegal to suspend a license based on any amount of money for any monetary reason. ALL government imposed fines should require a trial. Maybe then these government groups will stop handing out fines like they are collecting for the Salvation Army.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Then your taxes will be raised. The gov't will _not_ be without your money.

[@jnachtig2]

So you would rather someone be incarcerated? Laws are necessary for civilization and society. They are the rules we all agree to live by so we can have nice things like roads and protection and education. The only way to enforce laws is punishments. You cant force people to follow laws. Punishment is either incarceration or fines. That is it, there is no other way to punish people. So what is your proposed way of punishing speeding? Or driving without insurance. Those laws exist for a reason. Speed is the number 1 predictor in vehicle accident deaths and insurance is necessary to cover losses that are not your fault (you are hit by someone else). DUI is the same thing, a law that exists for obvious reasons. So how do you propose to enforce those laws without jail or without fines? If you dont enforce fines then guess what, no one pays and there is no punishment. It does raise money for the state entity, but the actual baseline purpose is punishment to make those individuals that wont follow the laws voluntarily (a minority) follow the law. It has been this way for thousands of years. There is nothing but incarceration or fines to force people to comply.

[@jpnewman1688]

Yeah.. Let's keep VOTING for your masters then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂

[@CallegriaofSoulbound]

@@UncleKennysPlace isn't that the issue we are talking about here. It doesn't take much effort to see. But lets get real here for a second since the government wants my money. There is 331 million Americans. At 41k a year or $20/hr the government takes 12% tax. (@41k) or 4900/yr. Above 41k, they take 22% up to $89k/yr or $19,500. 73% or 453mil American makes less then $50k/yr. So if you take 50% of those people or 225mil people and raise them above 41k/yr to 65k/yr that's $9,300/person OR 2 BILLION dollars in new tax revenue. So.....if the government wants my money all they gotta do is force the companies to pay a reasonable years income. Seeing as how these companies use loop holes to get tax refunds from the government already this is just a drop in the bucket. That is only federal. So tell me, why do they need to raise taxes? If you think taxes and inflation have ANYTHING to do with minimum wage your as daft as the flowers pasted on your kitchen walls.

[@CallegriaofSoulbound]

@@jnachtig2 welcome to critical thinking 101. Common practices of opinionated arguments is find a one to one ration of win to loss. This is a fallacy as very few arguments can be simplified to a 1v1 ratio, such as in your comment, "you would rather someone be incarcerated". You are under the impression that "A FINE" or a punishment can only be served via monetary value OR incarceration. If you HAD used critical thinking to analyze what I said, you would understand I said go to trial BEFORE fining. This of course would also mean that it should be the governments responsibility to provided ALL court fees. Making insidious fines a money pit IF taken to trial. The key is to make it cost the government TO persecute people hence making it VERY important to have a solid legal justification for fee or punishment. YOUR way is called Bullied Subjugation by way of over powering which the government loves to do. This is nothing more then the big play ground bully giving you a flat tire then taking your lunch money for being in his way. THAT IS WRONG!!!

[@enteringthegrayzone4020]

I am dependent on a 3rd party reporting to the state of Colorado to show that I am in compliance with the order of the driver's license department. I have until August 15th 2023 to prove compliance. After seeing this video and being in compliance since July 2023 I am going to call the 3rd party and the driver's license department tomorrow, the 14th, today is Sunday the 13th, to verify that the documents have been submitted since today is the 13th, and I only have until the 15th. I have documentation, but I am not allowed to submit it. Only the 3rd party is allowed to submit the documents. Sometimes you have to do everyone else's job to cya- cover your a.. -behind! Thank you for this video.

[@ravenbarsrepairs5594]

Had a driver at work(in NY) have his CDL suspended and they didn't even notify him. DMV lost his CDL medical paperwork that was submitted by the company, and suspended his license without notice because he should know that without submitting the paperwork his license was suspended. Luckily the company still had a copy on record and receipts proving it was submitted. Found out when his truck was sideswipped by a little old lady that didn't see him when she changed lanes.

[@CreativityNull]

And the fact that you *have* to keep a record of sending it is ridiculous. I'm sure it's more than just NY, but NY seems to have a horrible problem getting records straight, and the system they have to deal with it just so happens to work in their favor enough that most of the time people will just pay to deal with it instead of getting it straight, which benefits them. At what point does stupidity turn into malice? I'd say once they realize or reasonably should have realized the stupidity, but they don't fix it because it benefits them to not fix it then it's malice.

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@CreativityNull With NY it's a combo of a lack of consequences and apathy because it doesn't matter...

[@CreativityNull]

@@AzraelThanatos sounds about right.

[@Rock-Bottem1982]

1.9 MILLION drivers license suspensions. And Ohio government wonders why their is $332,000,000 in unpaid fines...Bravo Ohio

[@jonimaricruz1692]

1.9 mil suspended=virtually endless revenue stream 💵💵💵 😄😄😄

[@internallyinteral]

You cant squeeze blood from a atone

[@papawoody9597]

All you have to do is be "undocumented" and not have a license to begin with. Seems to work pretty well for all the unlicensed and uninsured drivers in my state.

[@special_kitty7195]

Here in Illinois now if you have a car registered the state knows whether or not you have insurance because they communicate with major insurers. If you let it laps they write you a letter it's 100 dollar fine and you have to send them new proof of insurance or they suspend your plates within weeks. Funnily wen you get a new policy the insurance company can pay the 100 fine directly for you. I imagine it working out well for the state

[@S.Waters.]

I found out about this recently because an Illinois trooper had nothing better to do than run my plates, no moving violation, no reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime, no probable cause of a crime. Just ran my plates because he literally had nothing better to do, he told “I’m just doing my job”. We are so grossly over-policed. Thankfully I was pulled over right outside my own driveway or he would have had my vehicle towed.

[@S.Waters.]

Illinois suspended the license of my children’s father because he owes child support to Michigan for his 2 oldest children who were adopted by their stepfather over 5 years ago. It doesn’t make any sense that this is legal at all.

[@jondilly1974]

I had my license suspended for late child support payments from my employer at the time. They deducted it from my paychecks regularly yet were slow to pay the state. I had to pay out of pocket again, take a class, and pay reinstatement fees for their slowness.

[@internallyinteral]

They're looking at doing this in NY.

[@EnthalpyAndEntropy]

You had to or chose to? That problem is entirely on the employer. You should have been more assertive with the judge and everyone leading up to him or her. That’s 100% your bad, dude.

[@CreativityNull]

​​​​@@internallyinteral god I hope they don't. NY doesn't need to get worse. It's already terrible about asking for fees you don't owe (especially if you're in NYC.) Imagine if they could suspend your license because they magically invented a reason you owe them money, then send the bill to some random P.O box in Maine so you never know (which they have literally done before, in a batch of 20 people) until some cop runs your license and tells you it's been suspended or imagine you get a bill for something you think you can dispute, but you know it's petty money and you'd spend more trying to dispute it, so you go to pay it and their website won't work, the phone number they tell you to call says they're not taking calls until the safety provisions on COVID are lifted (which ended months prior), and they explicitly state they are not taking any money by mail (this also happened to the same person as above) and then they suspend your license because you couldn't pay. New York's bureaucracy is *Speshul*

[@orppranator5230]

@@EnthalpyAndEntropy No, family court judges hate men and might even raise the payment amounts just because he had the nerve to bring that up.

[@CreativityNull]

​@@EnthalpyAndEntropy the person didn't say whether they brought that up with a judge or not, or even if they got an opportunity to (which they're supposed to but a lot of places just rubber stamp it.) Maybe don't be presumptuous. Also, maybe don't contradict yourself (though I found it hilarious.) First you say it's entirely their employer's fault then say that's 100% on this guy. Pick one maybe?

[@notguilty845]

A suspended license will make it impossible to work in an area outside a major metropolis.... They should offer some sort of sheriffs work or community service that pays a per day rate to pay off your suspensions.

[@joehackney1376]

No wonder there are so many angry people in Ohio!

[@GoodToGoIndustries]

Doesn't seem to stop many people from driving.

[@Charlie-g1g]

Good. Free men don't need permission.

[@1974jrod]

​@@Charlie-g1gdamn scippy.

[@guruoo]

Ironic law dept: Suspending a person's driver license for unpaid fines can undermine the earning ability they need to paid said fines.

[@jess_o]

Isn't it kinda crazy that we have to pay for the privilege of being prosecuted? Isn't the justice system supposed to be a public service of sorts? In what universe does it make sense that, after being hit with a valid fine for a traffic infraction, one has to also pay the court's self created and imposed costs? What are we paying taxes for?

[@KingBrandon-zd3ci]

in la. it goes to pay the sorry ass judges health covered . they found a joint on my girl $100 fine and $435 court coast

[@Dan-dg9pi]

I assume the people who are acquitted don't pay the costs, right? That means that the people who broke the law pay the cost. If the lawbreakers don't pay for it, then it comes out of general taxes, which means the law-abiding citizens pay for it. Is that what you want? The overall cost of a speeding ticket is not just the hundred bucks or whatever. It is the entire court system, the time of the trooper waiting on the median of the Ohio Turnpike, the cost of the cruiser, and of course, the Ohio Trooper Patrol hat. But seriously, the question is where to draw the line between what is the general cost and what costs get passed on as "user fees".

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

_"What are we paying taxes for?"_ Answer: Tyranny.

[@shanepowers7566]

I feel the same way.

[@jpnewman1688]

How many times did you VOTE for your masters?? 😂😂

[@christine38]

Ohio is notorious for debtors prison. My mother who was actively doing chemotherapy was put in jail for a medical bill that was 20 years old. They put her in jail under a technicality. They sent her 2 court dates to addresses she did not live at and then she was charged with contempt of court gor missing court. The court date being for the medical bill from 2001.

[@christopherconkright1317]

when I was 18 I had one beer. I was in the back seat of the car and they gave me a DUI....... Cost me 4000$ I wasn't even driving. The judge didn't care I was not driving.

[@jhoughjr1]

yeah most states you cannot have alcohol open in a car at all. especial at 18. Imagine that the judge cared you broke the law and didnt care about irrelevant details. Kid I know died road cruising like that too and he wasnt even driving but now hes dead. Was jsut starting his life too.

[@bootmii98]

@@jhoughjr1 Not being guilty of the charges filed against you seems pretty relevant to me

[@TheBrokenLife]

I had a cop in Ohio tell me that having my hand on a car while I had a beer in the other was a DUI. So... extrapolating this, if you are sitting on a tailgate having a beer in your driveway while chatting with the neighbors, you're a drunk driver in Ohio. I don't care all that much for Ohio... 😅

[@christopherconkright1317]

@@TheBrokenLife I live in Ohio it checks

[@christopherconkright1317]

@@jhoughjr1 I didn’t have one open or on me. My breath smelled like alcohol. I had no evidence on me. He pulled over a friend and asked us all for id I left mine home on accident. He yanked me out of the car. There is a ton more to the story. A local cop was shot. So I turned my head since I don’t hear well. He dropped kicked me. Then started yelling how dangerous his job is. I should not make sudden moves. This is in the 90s no body cams. I was held till my mother could come get me.

[@_PatrickO]

I knew someone who was suspended in ohio with no notice for a ticket he had paid. It is unbelievable that another state gets to suspend your license at all. But it is crazy that it can happen without any proof you were notified.

[@charlespaine987]

A big problem of state issued “privilege” / license then “do gooders” want to attach more and more ways to take them away. To often its the states screwup but of course no penalty to the personal /agency that screwed it up!

[@mjengel84]

I’m sure some state of Ohio legislator will introduce a bill to incarcerate these scofflaws until their fines, fees, etc. are paid in full… that’ll show ‘em!

[@jennymcdonough2095]

In the city of CABOT ARKANSAS between 1992 and 1995 I was arrested repeatedly over issues with one of my children being truant from school and breaking curfew. At the time I was working at UAMS, driving back and forth and trying to take care of a young teenage boy and my youngest son who was 3. I knew my fines, which just kept adding up over time, were behind but I did not realize that the state of Arkansas had recently passed a law revolving around drivers license suspensions and not paying fines. I was coming into Cabot one day from work and the local police were sitting there waiting for me. I had already been arrested by these same cops a few times so I knew they knew who I was. Ultimately the situation led to the loss of my job and eviction from my home. No one in the city of CABOT ARKANSAS, from the schools to the courts to the police EVER tried to work with me or help my son and It had a devastating effect on our lives that we are still feeling today.

[@Robert-bm5fz]

Sounds like preditory ticketing escalates to preditory licencing dept action

[@FlyMIfYouGotM]

The best way to determine how corrupt and unethical a system is would be to look at how the poor are treated. Much of our legal system is deliberately rigged to prey upon the poor. Once they are in the system, the ones running the system try and make it almost impossible for the poor to get out.

[@marstondavis]

I'm 73 and have been driving since I was 16. I've had a couple of citations, way back in the '70's, though. I paid the fines and about $15-$20 in court costs. Not one ticket since. Lucky me. Then about ten years ago I hear about the court system in California is supported and funded by fines and court costs and SPECIAL ASSESMENTS, too. Now, a stop sign violation can be $230 and with all of the rest of the added thievery it can EASILY soar past $1,000! This is our government hurting its citizens DELIBERITLY! WHY? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE YOU AT A CHOKE POINT, THAT'S WHY. If we keep electing the same gangsters into office this will never end. This is the exact same thing as the Mafia lending you money. You can NEVER pay it back and they are ruining people's lives over this. All courts must be completely funded by the general funds of the state. Period! Do not allow them the power to grind our people into grist.

[@coldspring624]

The system is out of hand. Lets start at step one...the mood of the person handing out tickets.

[@davidbowser]

For frame of reference: Ohio has a pop of 11.7 Mil people. So over 1 Mil active suspension is absolutely INSANE. At that point, the judicial system is causing harm to the people (and upstream businesses) by creating unreasonable financial burdens. My personal story was a suspended license for a 3 year old unpaid parking ticket from where I used to live. I had renewed my license and car registration without any problems. The police in a different town pulled me over (ran the plates, but no speeding or moving violation) and tried to have my car impounded even though there was another licensed driver in the car. The judge was VERY familiar with that particular officer and threw out the ticket and all further fines once I paid the old parking ticket.

[@weirdyoda04]

My ex girlfriend got arrested for not paying a stop sign ticket. Well she went to court to contest, judge offered to withhold adjudication and just pay a court fee of like $150. We were tight on money at the time and then just forgot to pay. Just over a month later the police show up to the door with an arrest warrant for 'violation of probation'.

[@jhoughjr1]

well yeah. the court doesnt fuck around and there is no sorry mommy I forgot.

[@GENXJOPLIN]

Land of the free home of the private prison industry

[@jabrockobiden9434]

Every court needs to be cratered

[@jimwhitehead1532]

You need to tell the judge you don't have all the money and ask if it can be broken into payments. Judges understand , they see it everyday. Some clerks can arrange it by asking, but you HAVE TO ASK.

[@Kurgosh1]

She had the unmitigated gall to contest the ticket in the first place. That's not going to sit well with the Blue Line Gang and their complicit judges and prosecutors.

[@IsleOfFeldspar]

In Maine they love to suspend your license for all sorts of infractions not related to operating motor vehicles. It’s egregious overreach.

[@skillethead15]

In Chicago they do it as an extortion racket. The penalties for driving with a suspended license is even more egregious than assault or theft. So the people who need to drive for their work but can't pay the fines are left in a perpetual loop of crime. They do it so they can turn ordinary, poor citizens into criminals to fill their jails. It's disgraceful and 100% done purposefully.

[@wilfredmacdonald8245]

Yes Maine is especially bad, paying for court coast when found not guilty. Deliberately losing records of fine payments to be able to collect twice. Suspending licenses without just cause or notice to the driver.

[@BASEDinMaine]

I have a "dear diary" length personal story about having mine suspended a few years back that was part of a string of bs. Started with a rolling stop ticket in Portland and registration that was a month expired. I paid over the phone and got the registration updated ASAP....I was told it may not update in the system for 48 hours, so I should carry a copy of the screen as receipt. The next day, I was pulled over by some hothead cop that was already ticketing another person, so he must have been trying to get quota. I didn't do anything for him to pull me over IIRC, I just recall him catching up to my car quickly after seeing him ticketing the other guy, so maybe he ran my plate and saw a flag. He said I had an unpaid ticket for the rolling stop. I showed him a screenshot of the paid ticket from the Maine website and he says "I can't see when this was paid". It had the ticket number which he should have been able to confirm, but he was hostile right away despite my courtesy. So he took my license and I had to call a friend to come get me and drive the car back. I called the state and they said I could pay the license reinstatement fee or try to contact the local cop and ask nicely for him to return the license before he mails it to the state. I chose to pay and not deal with thay guy. 3 months later, Im visiting Portland again on a date. Ordered some takeout and was sitting in my car pulled over near a park eating food with a lady, and some cops went by scanning plates (they claimed it was after dark so they were checking out every car parked on the side around me). They looped back around, knocked on my window, asked my name for confirmation and said that I had a warrant for my arrest for not appearing to court for the license suspension ticket thing despite immediately paying fines and having all other paperwork. To cut the already long story short, I spent a few hours in jail unable to pay my own bail with a debit card (they said you can only pay cash for yourself). After it's ALL said and done, I got a letter and a check in the mail from the state a couple months later, saying that they were refunding me the fines that led to arrest and "missing court" because it was discovered to be the result of a "clerical error" where some employee didnt update my status when I originally paid the fines. Needless to say, I felt a lot of shame and anger about that event and wasnt making a lot of money at the time which was the ultimate cause for all of my grief. I still hold a lot of resentment for all that despite it thankfully getting cleaned up.

[@alb12345672]

@@BASEDinMaine They pay a lot of fees in maine for cars. I bought a truck from Maine, I am in NY, I think 250/yr to register it, had paperwork in the glovebox from Bangor I think. Only 35/yr in NY. Trucks here are bit less to register. Truck also had the MSRP on the title.

[@gridtac2911]

Stop signing contracts with the government... They don't do you any good anyways

[@CoD420NiNjA]

I live in Marquette Michigan & this happened to me when i was young. It started with 1 ticket that I couldn't afford. It ended with 13 driving on a suspended & 10years with out my drivers license & took me that long to finally get ahead of it. I'm not trying to shrug responsibility but I've always felt like it was pretty unnecessary

[@goldeneaglejk2678]

Great shirt!!! I have driven over all those bridges many, MANY, times. In Pittsburgh everything is over the hill and across the bridge.

[@JJDrones]

I usually just watch your videos Steve, but this one i have to comment and I'm sure a lot of other truck drivers may agree with me. In trucking we can get tickets for any number of reasons from speeding, equipment violations, overweight, etc. Because of the nature of the profession, the fines are much more drastic than in a personal vehicle. I can still remember the 3 times i was pulled over and ticketed in the course of my career and for some reason they all happened back in 2004. Bad year for me. The fines were so punitive that i made a decision that year to clean up my act and i was i was going to obey the speed limits, make sure my paperwork was in order and not take any chances on that happening again. Since that time I've had no tickets, I've been a Member of the Wisconsin road team and even got driver of the month for the state of Wisconsin in 2021. I have to drive more defensively now because in the areas i travel a lot of folks don't believe traffic laws apply to them. It's also why on my Sunday live stream i have blinker fluid of the week awards. We can argue the validity of license suspension because of child support, that's a different discussion but bad driving is a conscious choice, it's only a matter of if those who do it get caught, and i will submit to the court as a professional driver there are probably a lot higher number of people who should not have a license. Great topic and greetings from the better half of Michigan

[@fretworkband3204]

As a driving instructor formerly in Ohio and now in Texas, I agree with you completely. I’m sure you’ve made a positive impact in your industry.

[@JJDrones]

@@fretworkband3204 thank you very much!

[@Goodkidjr43]

You, obviously, miss the point. People make mistakes. 332,000,000 dollars in fines PROVES that the punishment does NOT fit the crime in many cases.

[@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero]

This happens to a lot of guys because their employer withholds child support from their pay, but doesn't send it to the state in a timely manner. Or maybe not at all.

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

Legalized debtors' prison.

[@MoparMelanie]

I have a family member whose license was suspended for non payment of child support months after he had custody of his child because child support failed to cancel his support requirement.

[@i_am_thatguy1504]

4 years after i had custody, they threatened to send me to jail for child support. Mother deceased.

[@853okgtanfirebird3]

Great topic Steve I've dealt with this for the last almost 30 years since I got a divorce first my license being suspended and all my vehicles having liens put on on the house having to lean on them and a lot of jurisdictions sell this traffic debt to a company at least here in Washington called alliance one which has soprano type interest rates did that grows so quickly there's no way you can pay it off if you don't do it within 5 years.

[@jasonconrad5772]

It still stumps me how taking a person's license is supposed to help child-support get paid. I went through this over getting fired for someone else's actions on a day I wasn't even at work. Lost my unemployment case despite proving my case, cuz that's what happens in Illinois when you go up against a lying former Representative of State. I applied everywhere but couldn't get as far as an interview, so I started a successful lawncare business. This was in 2012 and a drought set in essentially shutting down my business 6 weeks in. I had invested back into the business with most the money I'd made leaving me short on funds to pay support. I eventually found employment offers, but was disqualified for the license suspension. Nobody wants to wait for the lengthy permit process nor go through the child-support paperwork the State lays on them; apparently penalties apply if not done correctly & promptly so most HR reps don't hassle with it.

[@Earthboundmike]

For the love of christ no don't suspend the car for child support. I've a friend who's in that situation now and how is he supposed to get to work if he finds that with no license. He's not living somewhere where walking is an option.

[@davidh9638]

In a target-rich field, one of the stupidest things I have heard of government doing lately.

[@judylapointe3507]

Then I guess he should have paid his support payments instead of expecting the state to take care of his kids.

[@bertroost1675]

If they did and I was him I would just drive anyway and take the chance. Take rural roads.

[@gierrah]

@@judylapointe3507 Well now that's all the state's job, because they're not going to be able to get any more money out of him.

[@orppranator5230]

@@judylapointe3507 So I assume you wouldn’t complain if you got the death penalty for some petty crime like a small theft? After all, I guess you just shouldn’t have committed the crime if you don’t want the punishment. Actually, sorry. That’s a bad analogy. Because it is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS to prevent someone from going to work, for missing a payment on something. How are they supposed to earn money to pay their bills, child support included?

[@eddiel.7770]

Hey Steve love your videos. It's crazy here in Florida also, if you get caught and convicted graffitiing public property they will suspend your driver's license as punishment.

[@99bx99]

I'm a contractor and my drywaller lost his license for a year for points, all speeding tickets. He drove to and from work and nowhere else for that year and was never pulled over. The day he got his license back, yep, got a speeding ticket.

[@jhoughjr1]

Hopefully he becomes a statistic. Ppl like him make the road more dangerous for everyone.

[@Charlie-g1g]

​@@jhoughjr1total lies.

[@NathanLJustice]

Yeah he's just trolling people's posts @@Charlie-g1g

[@99bx99]

@@jhoughjr1I disagree. He's over 40 and has never had an accident that was his fault. He likes to drive fast but is obviously good at it. I have gotten over 30 speeding tickets in 62 years of driving (not my fault I've owned 8 Corvettes) and also never had an accident that was my fault. Getting speeding tickets have slowed down for me with the advent of radar detectors and laser jammers, both legal where I drive (WA and OR).

[@Joe-ul3gh]

Tell him to slow down or he will be spending 5,000 + a year for insurance.

[@grantwilcox330]

Also in Ohio if your license is suspended for non payment you can petition the judge for driving privileges.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

Not in Wisconsin. That's the one case they will not grant temporary reduced DL.

[@brucer.5403]

I don't think the state should have any more power than any other debt collector. They get you where it hurts and they know it.

[@jhoughjr1]

Then you fail to understand what the state is. They ARE the debt collector. They enforce contracts and have a monopoly on force.

[@brucer.5403]

@@jhoughjr1 That was kind of my point, they have all the power, and abuse it.

[@royferntorp]

Had my licence cancelled due to unpaid fines. Turned out that driving without a licence was more lenient than a suspended licence. Go figure.

[@robertadams8192]

I have a feeling that a lot of government agency's rely on these fines to operate (kind of like civil asset forfeiture). So, even when police have access to information (such as whether or not you have insurance) they will still fine you. Sure, there will be those who say follow the law, stupid. But in many cases the law is stupid. In Ontario you no longer even need, or are even supplied with a tag to update your license plate. The cops can look that up. If you forget your insurance the police can look that up, and do ... often even before they walk up to your car. You are required to carry proof of insurance but it is not looked on as a way to make money (it is so you have it on you in case you are in an accident).

[@jpnewman1688]

Like moma said, stupid is as playing stupid game of VOTING for the corrupt system to be your masters then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂

[@straycat1674]

We used to have a right to travel freely until the system realize they can nickel and dime us to death!

[@ethanrummel6476]

This would explain how the roads in Ohio are so much nicer since they’re pulling every last dollar from their residents

[@truthministries77]

That money pays for the de facto to traffick humans poison them and terrorise them. They use our cestui qui vie trust for the rest.

[@jamestaylor3805]

KS suspended my liscence and arrested me over seventy seven dollars in back support(postings delayed on a holiday weekend, meaning I had to wait two extra days to see a Judge). The occurance cost me my job and my life has not recovered fully since.

[@JCpNK]

Here in Virginia a guy at work had his license suspended because he co signed for his son to get a Motorcycle and he was late on a couple payments.. It’s all about the state getting money

[@alc5792]

I never understood Adaministretive fee and cost isn't the whole court system paid by tax dollars.? Or is that only a revenue generator for the state.

[@mostrosticator]

I drove without a driver's license for decades. Never got caught. My driver's license expired and I never got it renewed until about a year ago.

[@jhoughjr1]

Nice break any law to not be a second class citizen.

[@mostrosticator]

@@jhoughjr1 a lot of laws are dumb. Especially where I live.

[@darrylroederer2680]

The state of Ohio suspended my license over an unpaid $3 fine. Yes, $3... I got a speeding ticket in some middle of nowhere Backwater town in Ohio. Got back home to my state, and wanted to pay it by mail. As I recall, the ticket was somewhere in the neighborhood of $60. There was a $10 processing fee for mailing it in the payment. And on the other side of the ticket, in tiny fine print, they said to include $3 for out-of-state residents. I didn't see it, didn't pay the $3, and nearly lost my job back home because of it a few months later. Needless to say, I was not happy. I have never spent another Penny of my money in the state of Ohio since that info didn't.

[@terryjohnson8317]

When I was in drivers education 50 years ago the instructor advised me to always keep a current registration and proof if insurance clipped to the sun visor. I have always done that and never have to look or reach for it and I think it helps to have it before they ask for it.

[@jpnewman1688]

Yeah.. And if your car ever got stolen or broken into, the thieves would know exactly where to return it.. 😂😂😂

[@barry_kelly]

Thanks for speaking on this topic SL. I'm a commercial driver and I fell in this trap in CA. Stemming from a 5 year old red light camera and then a (illegal) driving while suspended ticket and a DA hold on my license. For that I lost my living wage.

[@jpnewman1688]

So how many times did you VOTE before and after?? 😂😂

[@barry_kelly]

@@jpnewman1688 way to go off topic. I didn't mention anything political in that paragraph.

[@BA-gn3qb]

Steve wears a shirt of Suspension Bridges while talking about Suspensions. 🤣🤣🤣

[@kmstins]

We have a lot of Ohio drivers here in Pittsburgh. I wonder how they renew their registration without insurance? In PA we have to give the insurer's name, NAIC code, policy number, & effective dates, before they'll issue a current registration. 🤷‍♀️ By the way....nice shirt Steve! 👍👌🤩🙂

[@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032]

I'm on the other side of PA... we get the NJ a-holes over here!

[@kmstins]

@@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032 😄 Oh my goodness I know! I have a nephew that lives in Mechanicsburg. I was not a happy camper dealing with those New Jersey jagoffs on the road. 😉🤯

[@TheBrokenLife]

Speaking from Indiana... They don't actually ask for proof of insurance when we renew. If you tell them its all the same, they just trust us. The only time I ever have to present anything is when it's a _new_ registration because they put the policy information on the actual registration document. Otherwise... it's the honor system. Really... It doesn't make much difference. You could have an insurance policy for 1 hour, get your registration, and then cancel it. If you're going to drive without insurance, there's nothing anyone can do to stop you.

[@cigarsgunsanddiesel8032]

@@kmstins 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kmstins]

@@TheBrokenLife That's surprising. Pennsylvania isn't that trusting. All insurers here are required to notify PennDOT when a policy is canceled by either the insured or insurer.

[@maryrybicki9034]

In Florida if you change insurance and new company doesn't send in proof they suspend your licence. Due to being uninsured has happened to me every time I made a change.

[@misterdanielsiii]

Ohio will suspend your license for failure to show proof of insurance even if the offer didn't ask for it. Ask me how I know..... They also send out notices at random, requiring you to send proof of insurance and if you do not respond by the deadline, you will automatically be suspended.

[@RichsMowersNBlowers]

Don't want a speeding ticket.... don't speed.

[@ThomasOwl]

If the government isn't trying to make people desperate enough to hurt others then I will be shocked.

[@sandhilltucker]

Now you know why they are putting in these D.A's. It's to bait people into committing crimes so they will be dependant on a certain political theory for comfort. Disgusting.

[@jpnewman1688]

Where did the government gets the power?? GODS?? 😂😂

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

​@@jpnewman1688go home troll.

[@michaelg.stranestrane1465]

This happened to my boy. It's so complicated. He has been fighting this for over 5 years.

[@LadyViolet1]

I've always had a lot of respect for countries that base fines and tickets on a percentage of your income. That way it doesn't punish you excessively if you're poor and not at all if you're rich. Rich people still won't care as much unfortunately, but it's better than nothing.

[@RDKirbyN]

"If the punishment for a crime is a fine, that then that law only exists for the lower class"

[@Timeward76]

They'll care enough to not consider a parking ticket a parking fee. Lot harder to justify paying 100k every time you park your car.

[@KGood28]

Child support is determined by income too.

[@SubPablum]

That's how they do it in Germany.

[@jpnewman1688]

Yeah.. Let's keep VOTING for your masters then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂

[@peteengard9966]

I grew up on the west side of Cleveland. As a teen driver, I was ticketed for boulevard stop 3 times in one year. I wish I had a dash cam to prove I stopped and counted to three.

[@ejb992]

All 50 states have child support suspensions that ain't an "Ohio" thing. Ohio did change it to so long as you are paying 50% of the support order you don't get suspended. Before as with other states it was just being behind was enough to suspend.

[@jamesr1021]

Hey. Knock it off! They can’t pick on Ohio as well with this truth revealed!

[@michaellongrie915]

most people are not a "Driver" ask yourself when you are behind the wheel. Am I getting paid? If not you're probably NOT a Driver. Driving is an occupation where you are using the roads for compensation or for hire. But most States count on your IGNORANCE of the legal term of art. But it is perfectly legal to use your roads that you've paid for to travel on as a matter of right in your own private automobile. Read some history about operators and chauffeurs licenses states someone being employed..... Read some history folks turn-of-the-century court cases will state all you need to know. Words mean different things in law than the common meaning.

[@EQRuges]

"Is the punishment appropriate for the crime?" Is the crime still being committed? It should be just as much a deterant as a punishment.and if its still being committed its not enough of a deterant.

[@genossinwaabooz4373]

It's nor meant to be a deterrant. If so, there'd be reasonable pathways to solve it. A reward for good efforts. That's not the system we have. It prevents people from solving their fines, by stipulating they cannot drive....to work.

[@Garth2011]

8th ammendment....driving privileges should have zero to do with other issues. Politicians or state employees are so good at doing the right thing. A third grader could figure this idea is NOT the best solution.

[@jplindy]

another q... can your license be suspended for reasons of voter registration? Just thinking about the recent Ohio August election games...

[@annaoeste2470]

I wonder what percentage of them are democrats vs. republican. Sadly, my first thought was voter suppression.

[@AndreBradshaw]

I was traveling a lot in 2019 and forgot to pay a small traffic ticket. Due to covid, I was never actually notified that my license was suspended in Feb 2020. An officer was kind enough to point this out to me last summer (2022), and thankfully believed that I was honestly unaware of it being suspended and didn't haul me off to jail. I paid all the fines/fees (~$1500) and got my license reinstated. I went to court, and they told me I didn't need to be there because everything was paid up and taken care of. Nine months later I received a letter in the mail that my license was suspended for six months due to driving on a suspended license. The suspension effective date was the day of my court date where they did not inform me of this. The date of the letter was well after my suspension had ended. So I had again been driving on a suspended license for which I was not informed and again had to pay reinstatement fees to keep driving. I am fortunate in that $1800 isn't a big deal for me, but for most people, this cost due to a single mistake and administrative negligence could throw them into a doom spiral. If I had been unlucky enough to get pulled over by the police in that second time period, I would have been marked as a second offender which has much larger penalties. I have to wonder how much this type of thing happens to people where they are trying to do everything right, but they just get hammered over and over.

[@TheHolyGhost777]

200,000 x $100 reinstatement fee = 20 million dollars. That's why they REALLY suspend licenses left and right without a good reason. It's always about money.

[@charlescraig3892]

Ohio also sends out random proof of insurance letters, if you don"t respond with proof of insurance they will automatically suspend your licence. Trouble with this is I got one of these letters and assumed is was a renewal notice which Ohio does send out near your B-day and it was near my B-day. I always renew at my local DMV and never use the mail in option offered in the renewal notice, so I just tossed the letter in the garbage. Only after several months I received another letter informing me my licence was suspended and the reason for the suspension.

[@jhoughjr1]

I guess I was BORN in debtors prison then. But im glad you made the point for me. IF you can't drive you have no rights.

[@ElyseLieberman-q3x]

Driving in not a right. It is a priviledge. Hence they can take it away.

[@prunabluepepper]

Your taxes: fund the government. Your punishment: can't drive, can't work, additional costs, fines, fees. What exactly is the actual punishment? What exactly are the taxes for?

[@LMacNeill]

Georgia, where I live, is one of the states that will suspend your driver's license for unpaid child support. I have mixed feelings about that. Guys that don't pay their child support *DO* piss me off -- I paid mine, you can pay yours, dammit! However, I definitely understand the argument that someone cannot get to work to earn the money to pay the child support without a driver's license. But then how do you force someone to pay who refuses to pay? Like I said -- mixed feelings.

[@ElyseLieberman-q3x]

a legitimate employer, will take the child support out for the employees pay and send in every month. Which has two bonuses, first, it is getting paid every month, second, it is recorded with state, so there is never any issue with keeping track of payments. No more I sent money this date, or this date or gave mom cash.

[@chattingman6777]

Child support is a scam. The federal government gives money to the states. Yet it get backs more than it gives. Which makes it a business and business are here to make a profit. It doesn't make sense for average people to pay child support. The average man is going to provide for his children regardless of a court ordering them to do so. It's a government overreach that's put federal and state governments directly in their citizens lives.

[@AmboyChamblis]

There are just some states are just pure crap to live in! Ohio, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Arkansas...

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

repeat after your master's, "Driving is a privilege."

[@jhoughjr1]

Luckily my father is in a nursing home and cant endanger more lives. Damn right its a privilege and us pedestrians are crying a river over the morons who cant follow the rules.

[@mikep490]

Part of the problem can be in how DMVs tell you about tickets/suspensions. In my state just having the computer say it mailed a person a court or DMV notice is "proof" that the person was notified. My GF moved and the court sent a letter to her license address. When she didn't show in court for a minor offense they suspended her license and mailed a notice to the same address. (Neither letter was forwarded to my house, so either the USPS messed up or it wasn't mailed.) This led to her PU being impounded and a court date. (She still had insurance, which I found odd.)