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[@LinusTechTips]

A couple updates since we filmed this: - Oculus has released the 90Hz update for the Quest 2 - Oculus Link is now out of beta, and also supports 90Hz on the Quest 2 - You can also now cast directly to a web browser

[@stuff6829]

Me want that

[@stuff6829]

Pls

[@saiswayamshree]

Bababoooeey

[@SportsFirm]

Nice

[@stuff6829]

Me will give you bobux for that

[@joedanrob]

"Data security" and "Facebook" dont belong in the same sentence

[@jimgarnish]

Unless there is also something like "goes out of the window with" in the middle.

[@raawesome3851]

@@jimgarnish fair. Then again, what are you giving up with the quest 2 in terms of data?

[@KingKong-xp6so]

Who are you that Facebook might steal your data lol

[@ded__]

Good news. It got jailbroken.

[@WinstonH]

@@raawesome3851 I mean it can see the inside of your house using the external facing positioning cameras

[@QubitHQ]

Facebook storing my VR Headset usage data... that's kind of scary homie

[@moedeeb7225]

Yes you don't want them tracking your hand movement 😉

[@rdpjr89]

Or that you played on it for a few hours so much valuable info there

[@DFMurray]

I heard a rumor that when updating the Guardian Software they had to outsource devs to scrape through all the black and white footage to flag all the false positives of people jerking off.

[@L1NeaR616]

Lol who careessss

[@L1NeaR616]

@@moedeeb7225 if mark is watching that makes it even better

[@eagleye2500]

the one thing stopping me getting one is facebooks shit forced authentification login

[@dertythegrower]

Yep Valve Index VR is better anyways by far and HalfLife Alyx won best VR anyway for 2020.. real gamers, on pc, know Half Life is the sweetest

[@huleyn135]

@@dertythegrower why do you keep reposting this real gamers shit everywhere lmao wtf is wrong with you

[@L1NeaR616]

I hate Facebook as much as the next guy - but I just made a brand new Facebook account for my quest 2 which will forever be my Facebook account specifically for oculus. I don’t get why people care so much, it is the trade off for the great hardware at $300

[@raawesome3851]

@@dertythegrower If the Index weren't better in some way at 3-4 times the price, I think Valve has some work to do.

[@ericwheton6935]

@@dertythegrower from a cost per feature the index loses drastically at around 3 times the price of the quest 2. Also you can play half life with the quest 2? I don't understand that point at all. But yea in terms of raw performance of course your 1200$ headsets going to out perform a 400$ headset. Its the same shit as console to PC

[@polyesterShark]

Pros: almost everything! Con: It's Facebook

[@fuchsIL]

Well that's a deal breaker if I've ever seen one..

[@Sir.Craze-]

So without even thinking about its that an automatic best case scenario of 50\50 pro\con. :(

[@4879daniel]

Log in once, never use it again just like pretty much everything else nowadays.

[@rainbowcatycat2072]

I’m the type who’s ok with the con, i got my quest 2 in wednesday and it’s heckin awesome

[@FatNorthernBigot]

That sums it up. If you have Facebook already, it's ok. For $300 it's an absolute steal. (Like Zuckerberg did with our data)

[@i.mahdihosseini]

I heard "data security" and "facebook" in one sentence. seems legit

[@WillOnSomething]

The only time those words will be in the same sentence, is when someone says "Facebook has no data security" :)

[@Ahmadsyar]

In this context, your data will be securely reach only facebook and not other company

[@i.mahdihosseini]

@@Ahmadsyar Have you ever seen facebook battery usage on your phone? Have you seen Edward Snowden videos?

[@DeosPraetorian]

@@i.mahdihosseini have you forgotten you are on KZbin

[@ivyivyyiivvvyyyyvy]

Facebook is still not as bad as google with security, although maybe they don't handle the information quite as well

[@tucci06]

Oh, this looks like a good value... "Requires Facebook account" _Insert baby turning and running away GIF_

[@rasmusfrandsen1848]

Tinfoil hat

[@monke980]

Tinfoil hat

[@tucci06]

Tinfoil hat

[@DeathInstant]

Tinfoil hat

[@rasmusfrandsen1848]

@@DeathInstant Indeed he is

[@Radhaugo108]

2077: Keep a Facebook account in good standing to avoid jailtime.

[@DToTheB]

bold of you to assume humanity hasn't gone extinct by then

[@anthonypaul6554]

@@malcolm_in_the_middle Don't underestimate human stupidity... think Apple fans!

[@shrayesraman5192]

@@anthonypaul6554 that was the worst group of people to call out... I'm an apple fan because they build stuff no one else can. Even linus knows that...

[@imcarter]

@@shrayesraman5192 example?

[@JanTuts]

No joke, the equivalent of that is already available in China...

[@jameslewis2635]

The device apeals to me but the fact that I have to use Facebook makes this a hard no.

[@Spiffelight]

I heard people create new accounts, add some groups, add some friends, spam in chat a bit, then register that account instead :)

[@gooby1648]

@@Spiffelight That's just ridiculous

[@GlutesEnjoyer]

@@gooby1648 there's a great jailbreak community - they've jailbroken the quest 2 to not require Facebook

[@SongZee]

@@GlutesEnjoyer How do you get games though if you can't connect to the store

[@matthewlake182]

You don't have to post on FB, you literally just make an account. You never have to see your news feed - ever.

[@randomgnome]

Facebook's handling of Oculus has been nothing short of heartbreaking.

[@DeosPraetorian]

That heart breaking at all it's a massive success

[@megamanx466]

No worries. Anti-consumer practices empower competition. 😄

[@brickman409]

@@brandonchutt312 Yeah, Facebook buying Oculus is kind of a mixed bag for me. As much as I hate Facebook, Oculus would probably be out of business by now if they were on their own. The original Rift wasn't really that hot of a seller when compared to the Vive and didn't take off until Facebook lowered the price of it to $400. You can't totally credit Facebook for the success of the CV1 as Oculus was still mostly independent when it was being developed and released, but I really doubt they would have been able to lower it to that price if they didn't have Facebook subsidizing them. And then of course there's the Quest and Quest 2 which were even bigger successes and were made by the time Facebook kicked out Palmer Luckey and completely took control of Oculus. As for partnering with MS for making headsets for the Xbox, as much as I would love that to happen, I doubt it ever would. Microsoft has zero interest in bringing VR to Xbox. Phil Spencer himself said something along the lines that "nobody is asking for VR". And if they ever did bring VR to Xbox, they would probably just use their own VR headset line, Windows Mixed Reality. I really wish they would do that though, I would honestly buy a Series X if I could just plug my Rift or my Quest into it. And if they would have supported WMR earlier, I would have bought one of those headsets instead of my Rift. I think they really missed out by not having the Xbox One X and S support Windows Mixed Reality back in 2016/17. They would have really been ahead of the game because it would have been at a price competitive to PS VR and would have offered PC compatibility as well as full room scale inside-out tracking a few years before the Quest and Rift S did. How cool would it have been to have an HDMI port along with the USB port on the front of the console that you can easily and quickly plug in a VR headset to? It would have been so much simpler and elegant than PSVR's series of cables and breakout boxes. In my opinion, that was Microsoft's biggest blunder of this generation and the previous one. It's honestly reminiscent of Nintendo's stubbornness in adopting online gameplay.

[@brianfisher7385]

They only made Quest the most popular VR platform on the planet. SOOO heartbreaking 🤣🤣🤣

[@dorkknight42]

@@brianfisher7385 The crybabies acting like facebook is out to get their deepest secrets. I wanna see if they dont have Amazon/google/walmart etc. morons. Facebook is simply using its logging as access to the marketplace for occulus. if you are worried about what they will do with your info, you have bigger problems....like WTF are you doing shady stuff in FB for.

[@haxalicious]

Ah yes, we need your data for security. *Slithering and beeping noises*

[@prateekpanwar646]

*OUR data

[@haxalicious]

@@prateekpanwar646 *Soviet National Anthem plays*

[@randomyoutubecommenter2407]

Copy and paste this message EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! This is an example of comment.

[@hey01e5]

love how we can't even tell if fuckerberg is a lizard or a robot so you just put sounds for both

[@vonbraunprimarch]

*rubbing hand noises*

[@SuddyDoesStuff]

People complaining about FB and then have TikTok downloaded or use Google Chrome as their browser 😂

[@morgan1168]

Linus: "Can I get a smoke bomb effect?" Have you checked your server room lately

[@uyghur-zv4fe]

underrated

[@-Sean_]

@@uyghur-zv4fe give it time, the video came out 15 minutes ago

[@Uilliam56]

Also the guy's comment above me saying "underrated" is underrated

[@k.kingyote]

bruhh lmao

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@Uilliam56 Give it time, the video came out 30 minutes ago. sheesh the impatience..

[@Anu8ius]

Id now like to have a sponsoring-free rant about why the mandatory FB-Account is absolute BS!

[@shivptt]

Probably sold away the rights to that with the fat check that Mark handed them.

[@michaelknight2342]

The issue here is not the mandatory account, it's their real-name policy and the resulting lack of anonymity. If you have a second account, it's impossible to hide from them. They will eventually find and ban you.

[@elzzzzon]

you mean like google made you make before typing this comment?

[@kaustubhkejriwal156]

@@elzzzzon exactly

[@YoloToTheMax104]

I think they said the sponsorship went through before Quest 2 and Facebook accounts came to fruition

[@unfinishedsenten]

You should really try Virtual Desktop on the Quest 2 with a good router. The cable-free experience in a big room is just awsome!

[@macca3980]

Or any game my friend one works well with my 5ghz ISP router I could not tell the difference between it and the official link cable

[@CheeseburgerStreaming]

Yeah that’s what I do

[@CheeseburgerStreaming]

But I have quest 1

[@ginatails]

With a Wifi 6 router (I have a eero system with 2 wifi access points) so i put 1 access point near my play space, and virtual desktop works amazing.

[@CheeseburgerStreaming]

@@ginatails 😱

[@macknewmann]

I don’t think they realise how many headsets they would sell if there wasn’t a facebook requirement 😐

[@valentine943]

its 300$ for a reason, they dont get the money back from the hardware they get it back with your data.

[@macknewmann]

@@valentine943 Yep... it’s just so blatantly obvious i can’t believe it isn’t more of a public issue. The new TOS literally let the headset listen to everything you say and record it to target advertisements when the headset can hear, even when it’s off. So glad I sold my quest 1

[@Hirnlego999]

Something most use anyway, I don't think they see it as a problem

[@felipevalenzuela5853]

just create a new facebook account for the headset

[@macknewmann]

@@felipevalenzuela5853 It’ll get banned, so many people have said that they made a new account just for the headset and it got banned along with all their games. it’s against facebook TOS to have two accounts for one person.

[@mageguild]

Doesn’t matter how good it is, FB forcing people to use their login makes it unacceptable to use

[@imperlast2]

why, is it cause your facebook account gets constaly banned or something? cause facebook probably has a a file on you no matter what and it's not like most people haven't used there products already, cause they own Facebook, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp and Instagram

[@bigweeweehaver]

You people never realize you are a vocal minority lmao

[@RatbagTheCoward]

@@bigweeweehaver Yes keep giving zuck your data, everyone does it 🤡

[@photon_4422]

@@digitalsimulacrum9259 Oculus being owned by Facebook was the sole reason I didn't get a quest. If I didn't have the money for a better headset, I probably wouldn't have gotten a vr headset at all.

[@manaspradhan8041]

@@RatbagTheCoward how does it even matter? I am not an international spy, caring about your 'privacy' is so stupid, they already have so much data on you , does this really even matter?

[@brendangrimaldi6790]

It might worth giving the quest 2 another look now. They’ve added native wireless VR support as well as 120hZ mode. I like that works well in standalone mode, but I’ve been really liking it using it for steamVR as well.

[@gorfic__starshadow9801]

Still need Facebook? If so. Go away. Nobody wants to involve them

[@evancoberley2650]

@@gorfic__starshadow9801 lol you people are so performative

[@gorfic__starshadow9801]

@@evancoberley2650 thats nice but nobody asked.

[@evancoberley2650]

@@gorfic__starshadow9801 lol KZbin deleted my comment for calling you a retard

[@gorfic__starshadow9801]

@@evancoberley2650 yeah i know, because thats what happens when you blindly allow corporations to dictate what is and isnt okay. I may not like you, but you have every right to call me a tard and i have every right to not care. Neither of us need a "big brother" corporation getting in the middle. Like facebook.

[@savagemadman2054]

The fact that it's a facebook product makes this an instant "nope" for me.

[@kaldo_kaldo]

Unfortunately your moral stance is overshadowed by other people and this _will_ do very well on the market. The unfortunate part is that they're making the most compelling VR experiences already and getting all of this financial feedback, Quest 3 is likely going to make everything else not worth buying - at that point you either get to overpay for an inferior experience or you use facebook.

[@the_RCB_films]

@@oogaboog just have an account running for 2 weeks before you get it and you will be fine.

[@the_RCB_films]

@@oogaboog no thats their rule. U must have an account for 2 weeks before using it on quest. Also you cant use it under a false name. But you also dont have to show everyone your real name. In many ways its just like having an xbox live account

[@Cee64E]

@@digitalsimulacrum9259 - "you realize you can make a Facebook account JUST for this right? You don't need any friends or even actually use it." Yet. Can you say "Social Credit Score"?

[@ChrustyVT]

Your loss

[@irelandjam]

I'd be really interested in this if Facebook had nothing to do with it.

[@avrona]

Why? Why is that a turn-off for an otherwise great VR headset?

[@lukep7885]

I mean. The only reason we have a headset like this at this price at this time is because of Facebook.

[@algofire]

@@avrona why do they have to force new users to use their Facebook account for Oculus stuff?

[@huleyn135]

@@avrona why the fuck is it okay to force a social media platform on a completely unrelated vr machine?? How the fuck is fb necessary for oculus to work? How can you even accept this?

[@Noah-w7l]

@@avrona imagine having to make a Facebook account to play vr games like why if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[@IHeart16Bit]

The value might be solid, but all the Facebook garbage is a deal-breaker.

[@ChristofferLund]

I made my account specifically for this. It's technically a Facebook account but in practice it's just an oculus login account

[@MrGunda2010]

Yeah!

[@bobbisrex9970]

It's over exaggerated. It isn't that hard.

[@redx459]

@@ChristofferLund they can ban it any second but they know you based off ip

[@damagecase13]

@@redx459 Yeah and so long as you aren't doing stupid shit on your Facebook you'll be fine. I haven't posted on Facebook in 2 years now and I never will again. I've got no worries.

[@mini-_]

*Gets email from Facebook* Linus: "Oh hi Mark"

[@sez5435]

Top comment potential

[@dertythegrower]

@@sez5435 nah

[@dupeken]

?????

[@Matthew-rp3jf]

You’re tearing me apart lisa

[@toblerone1704]

i hope i’m not mistaken about where this is from

[@Backtrack3332]

Lost me on "requires a Facebook account"

[@ZestieZeke]

Why does it matter

[@mr_black_hat999]

Jesus, you people are annoying. Don't want it? Don't buy it. I have a Facebook account for years and I don't mind it

[@StaticNebula26]

*has youtube account*

[@Backtrack3332]

@@mr_black_hat999 I want it, because it seems to deliver good quality for this price. I don't want it, because I don't want to have an Facebook account.

[@Cpt1glo]

Just get a fake account. Not that hard...

[@pitbul78]

"Using only the position tracking data, we find that even with more than 500 participants to choose from, a simple machine learning model can identify participants from less than 5 min of tracking data at above 95% accuracy. " That's where the 100 usd price reduction went to

[@nicktaylor897]

So, they know that it's me using the headset?

[@ashlardarned2540]

@@nicktaylor897 Next up, when your buddies come over and you want to let them try your quest, it won't let them because they don't move like you do.

[@brianfisher7385]

You do realize they already know who you are right?

[@reportteemo4690]

@@brianfisher7385 true, they kinda know where u work, whats ur homeadress, phonenumber, who you talk to, how old you are, family members, everything L0L

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

@@brianfisher7385 facebook knows more about him than he does himself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@billyeveryteen7328]

Even now, several months later, I'm still ambivalent about the Quest 2. On the one hand, it's incredibly low price means it's opening up the door for VR in a way that no PCVR headset has managed to do so far; and it's the most popular VR headset according to Steam surveys, which does a lot to negate my fears that the success of the Q2 and standalone VR would mean the potential death of PCVR games. On the other hand, though, Facebook.

[@the3rdid485]

I love how Riley is actually trying to do the video, and clearly has a schedule, but all Linus wants to do is play Beat Saber lol.

[@benayers8622]

Yeah i noticed this like wow chill out man just enjoy ur nice easy life ur lucky uv got it so good!,whats the big rush lol

[@Gonbatfire]

2030 be like: It is recommended to check that your Facebook account is in 'good standing' before buying a HOUSE

[@aTaryum]

It is recommended to check that your social points score is in 'good standing' before you decide to live

[@tomasgarza1249]

Facebook in 2040: It is recommended to check that your Facebook account is in 'good standing' before buying a cardiac pacemaker

[@Gonbatfire]

@@FlameOnTheBeat We are slowly heading into that direction imo.

[@MrLathor]

Why don’t they make a separate service for Oculus? It’s absurd they they require Facebook login for a electronic device like this. This product is just not an option for me.

[@mataskart9894]

they could literally charge an extra 100$ to NOT use a Facebook account and still have a masterpiece of a headset that out-competes anything else on the market....

[@Google_Corporation]

Originally it was... When oculus was originally acquired by Facebook, the oculus CEO promised to keep everything separate from FB, especially no fb login requirement. The fact that it *does* now require a login, combined with how oculus as a company essentially no longer exists (it's been almost entirely absorbed by "Facebook Reality Labs") is a massive reason people are angry.

[@offbeatsofa9743]

The only reason that you have to log in is that facebook owns oculus so they made it required so they could track your data. :/

[@unknowndomain]

@@mataskart9894 You can buy Oculus for Business hardware which has no Facebook account requirement, it's like 3-4x the price or and now it looks like there is some kind of subscription. The hardware is cheap because they're using you.

[@CommanderXED]

I had an Oculus account for my old Oculus and the "last time" I used it it refused to work unless I set up a Facebook account. Hey, it worked for almost a year before Facebook turned it into electrical waste!

[@thegreekfiles]

In recent news, Oculus says they're removing the Facebook login requirement and are working to implement other login options, so the Quest 2 is gonna be much more viable now. Edit: it's been like a half a year and there's been no word on this news since so idk if it's still happening, but fingers crossed

[@cloudyyy-._.-999]

wait really i just bought it, im currently watching every video i can find on it lol

[@FatalFrostbyte29]

When will that feature be implemented?

[@pontifex4749]

.

[@cloudyyy-._.-999]

@@pontifex4749 ..

[@pontifex4749]

@@cloudyyy-._.-999 ?

[@Emanuel-sla-h5i]

"And then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like login to Facebook..."

[@ReeferChifah]

Nice Sinatra reference 👍

[@farmshark3634]

Love the song reference!

[@junko4166]

So you just glanced over the fact that Facebook can brick your expensive electronic if you're not being a good boy by their standards? It's not about privacy, it's about ownership of the stuff you PAY for.

[@lordofthepies]

Look for his WAN show clip... Apparently the sponsor only lasted the vid so he went into depth on his actual opinion

[@rdpjr89]

The same thing can happen if you buy digital copies of games. If Sony, Microsoft, or Blizzard for example decided to ban your account you lose all those games too. Or if you buy digital movies on another service and they ban your account you lose all your movies. I am not saying that it isn’t shitty but FB didn’t buy the quest to not have complete control over it.

[@simonmuller1483]

It does not brick the device. While your account gets banned the device does not. You may just create a new account and if you only use sidequest or steam desktop vr you don't loose anything.

[@SewerShark]

@@rdpjr89 You only get your account banned on Xbox, Sony, or Steam if you are a scammer. Now, being banned from Facebook is way easier.

[@rdpjr89]

@@SewerShark it may be easier but it isn’t a plague where accounts are constantly being banned. In 14 years I have only known one person who has had an account banned. On another note I don’t know why people are so shocked by this. FB owns it why wouldn’t they tie it with an account system that is already established. End of the day if you disagree with it just don’t buy FB’s product because it is their product they bought it from the original developers. Everyone has to make their own value choice for themselves. Of what is more important data privacy or enjoyment from a video game.

[@tr0ymachine]

Linus: Okay, apparently, I cut him in half. Riley: YES! Linus: Where is that coming from!? Riley: YES!

[@peterderbeste6817]

and you cant even buy this in germany, because it is banned for privacy violations

[@WirrWicht]

Import is an option...

[@sireuchre]

Smart Germany is smart.

[@aTaryum]

LMAO

[@harold6422]

Good riddance. I hope more countries follow suit.

[@peterderbeste6817]

@@WirrWicht well, depends on how lucky you feel. there are reports of german facebook accounts not working with imported devices, even permanently banned accounts and bricked occulus devices.

[@urmaker]

So if Facebook decides to ban you, it is useless. I will pass. Was planning on getting it. I appreciate the review!

[@TheSlimerBoi]

Why would you get banned on facebook lol?

[@mxkhxi]

just us an alt lol.

[@CidilQ]

@@mxkhxi that's the point of a ban, to stop alts also games are stored on facebook accounts so switching them will not let you use your games on the other account

[@imperatrix.0018]

I've heard there are a handful of peoe that now have quest 2 door stops due to them being banned on fb

[@davestar4718]

How do you get banned on Facebook???

[@rogertruong6594]

That facebook account requirement is such a dealbreaker

create a fake facebook account

[@TekExplorer]

@ problem; facebook explicitly says not to do that. If they find out they can and will ban it, cutting off your entire library.

[@jamskof]

ohhhhh roger, come on roger!!!

[@makasete30]

@@jamskof you leave Roger’s privacy alone!

[@ELGG1894]

@@TekExplorer I’ve been using a fake Facebook account since launch. Everything is fine

[@KraXoom]

Wait wait wait wait wait, hold on a god damn second.... you can grab the bullets!?!?! All this time I’ve just been taking them to the face and you’re telling me I could have just grabbed a bullet and chucked it at them like spears?!

[@AiRJacobs]

Not getting one until we can completely bypass FB through jailbreaking.

[@Otsuko]

@@clickbait6646 allow me to introduce you to.... Side quest!

[@minetech4898]

@@clickbait6646 who cares? you still would have a vr headset

[@lpnp9477]

@@clickbait6646 Streaming through Steam VR. Also, piracy. I think that's ethically sound given how unethical Facebook's data collection is.

[@arrulli7878]

Won't have to wait long though. Already is jailbroken im pretty sure

[@NikoKun]

@@PokeBlu249 Yup, technically there IS a bypass, that involves hacking the Oculus phone pairing app, so you only need an old Oculus account.. But it's not exactly easy to get for now. Thankfully you don't lose access to the store by doing it either.

[@bradywalters]

Pros: - Affordable (+3) - Wireless native games (+1) - Quality resolution (+2) - Light, small form factor (+2) Cons: - Facebook required (-∞)

[@kilgarragh]

0:55 its $300 + sellingyourlifeandsoletofacebook tax

[@4879daniel]

Your sole? Does Zuckerburg have a foot fetish?

[@da_knug]

like you haven't already sold your soul to facebook and google and microsoft.

[@ezflickz2142]

Soul**

[@andreasgrimsland4519]

Or you could just jailbreak it

[@sto_yt]

Would’ve been fun to see Linus testing out 120Hz and Air Link (using a Wi-Fi 6 router). The Quest 2 gets better and better with each update.

[@lucaslenz7123]

Linus: I care about the reputation of our sponsors Also Linus:

[@odinsplaygrounds]

It's essentially "What he says" vs "what he does". And actions always speak louder than words.

[@RDR911]

Christ people like to gang up on one particular data harvester, eh? I wonder why we don’t see the same outrage over Google, who has significantly more data on you through KZbin, Google Maps, and Google Searches alone (not to mention Google drive, etc)

[@squngy0]

@@RDR911 Fair enough, but when did Google have a scandal like Cambridge analytica? Aside from that, even just focusing on Oculus, they said you will never need a FB account if you buy an Oculus product. Now there will be people who bought games on the Oculus store who will be forced to convert to a FB account, with no guarantee FB won't ban them for having a new "suspicius" account as has already happened to new Quest buyers.

[@juli12345istRecorsi]

Facebook integration is an absolute deal breaker for me

[@4879daniel]

I used my wife's facebook account for it and disabled all the social stuff on the headset. There is no interaction between the headset and my wife's account, no friends list, updates or anything.

[@Mp57navy]

@@4879daniel In before your Facebook account gets flagged as inactive.

[@4879daniel]

@@Mp57navy Her account isn't inactive - it's very active but it's limited to her phone only. No single device shares facebook and oculus apps/logins. Lots of people saying they have used old, unused FB accounts with no issue. If FB decided to stop my headset working one day it would go back for a full refund from the retailer.

[@andreasgrimsland4519]

Or you know you could just jailbreak it

[@pronounjow]

"Facebook account required" Thanks for saving me $300, Facebook!

[@zakblue]

Make fake facebook account. Problem solved. Minds blown.

[@burningflurber]

@@zakblue 😬

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

@@zakblue Get banned and have fun with your paperweight.

[@zakblue]

@@DrakkarCalethiel lol I will have fun, I will

[@ToxNano]

This really needs to get some more coverage. From the 120hz refresh rate to near perfect wireless pc streaming, a lot has changed since launch.

[@hogkill64]

If they dump the Facebook log in I would buy a bunch of them. I'm not buying one until they do.

[@floofbork9027]

They will never do that sadly

[@pokemonfire51]

You can make a burner Facebook account

[@night.watcher]

@@pokemonfire51 I tried, they blocked

[@startedtech]

@@pokemonfire51 they'll ban it if you can't verify the account.

[@SRT8HEMI]

It's serious data mining. They're literally reading retinol responses to see what makes you tick. It's ultra creepy.

[@RNCITM]

It I physically impossible to not look like an idiot while playing beat saber

[@Robert-nz2qw]

2023: “My Facebook account was closed today for me having the wrong friends so now I can’t use my Oculus Microwave oven.”

[@foam27]

preach it!

[@foam27]

2024: I voted wrongly, cant take a shit, because my Oculus toilet won't flush.

[@SchminkyBink]

2027: “i was banned from facebook for posting a pic of me walking my fish, and now i can’t get out of my oculus condo”

[@briansindorf9121]

They'll ban your ass for voting for the wrong person by then.

[@guitarskooter]

2030: "I quietly whispered to my friend in my house that I don't like that we can't vote anymore, and an Oculus robot burst through my wall, laser exploded his head, and is chasing me"

[@ciri151]

8:12 Wtf my name is actually David...

[@frollard]

Cool headset - kinda want one...but Won't buy one. This price is clearly a loss-leader. As always, any free service (facebook) has a cost, and if you aren't paying it, you are the product, not the consumer. Yes, I use facebook, but I don't want their algorithm touching any of the weird shit I do online off facebook.

[@naoltitude9516]

They do that anyways. I'm assuming since you use FaceBook you also use stuff like Google and maybe even Apple products, which sell data to each other like there's no tomorrow.

[@Alixdkari]

you are naïve to think they don't know what you're doing outside of facebook

[@fritzkier]

@@naoltitude9516 yea, for me privacy it isn't the reason. It's FACEBOOK is the problem. Why? Facebook bots is a fucking shitshow. If you do something that Facebook bots didn't like (and what they forbids is vague) you can get banned from the entire Facebook and get your account deleted. Make new acc after that? Facebook bots will ban it hours after you created it for fucking no reason. Unlike Google or other services where for example you broke the ToS on Blogger, you only get banned on Blogger not KZbin and etc.

[@fritzkier]

Now imagine if you buy games on your banned Facebook-linked Oculus Quest? Now isn't it just became a paperweights? My friend acc get banned and deleted just because he posted my country public figure holy fuck. That's the reason why Facebook says, that the account NEEDS to be in good standing. What is this? Cyberpunk??

[@coughfee_beans]

Why do you stil have a facebook account in 2020 though. I haven't had one for years and it never was an issue.

[@tylerd7801]

It would be nice to get an updated non-sponsored review of quest 2 since I think it has come a long way and competes or even beats most 1000 dollar headsets now at less than half the price.

[@grant5855]

@Sargent Winter Pinax is beyond overpriced

[@chan13153]

Near 4K display, 120hz, face tracking with no annoying sensors, stand alone, PCvr (wired/Wireless) all for $300 (128gb). Yeah thats very very hard to beat.

[@haruki5360]

@@chan13153 yeah, even now the only one that can beat it in hardware is Pico 4 which is own by worse company bytedance

[@haruki5360]

At the same price range I mean

[@newax_productions2069]

except for the fact it runs on a damn battery and even connected to a PC the thing dies causing you to literally have to stop your session and wait for it to charge.

[@Lexamus11]

the facebook account wall is enough of a reason to skip this hardware. there's no real reason it should be necessary

[@davidlegkodukh6969]

For 90% of America Facebook has been a part of our Lives since we were bored out of our parents butts so this is not even a compromise because most of us have been using Facebook and if you use Instagram then you should know what this is like

[@weirdg]

Other than making the headset be at the price it is, the account shouldn’t be nessesary.

[@butterchuckles9854]

Ok, I used an old Facebook, kept on trucking on. But you do you

[@rossharper1983]

Not really a wall is it. Lots of things you use require an account, KZbin, twitter, steam, origin, the list goes on. Just create a new Gmail email address and then create a new Facebook account with that email solely for using the Quest. I've bought both my young daughters (7 and 9) a Quest 2 each for Christmas along with building their new rigs. Thats how I'll be setting up their accounts for use, they sure as hell aren't having proper Facebook accounts at their age.

[@labonte995]

Yea, especially when oculus said they would never require a FB login to use their hardware.

[@Patrick-qt8iy]

"But the wireless method has latency" we all know facebook was too scared of giving virtual desktop more publicity, riley

[@hidden_sense9839]

Apparently (at least according to some VR youtubers) the virtual desktop wireless has less even less latency than oculus link. And it's wireless. And the resolutions doesn't suck. But I have to test that today again since I finally got the Oculus Link update and it says you can now choose resolution...

[@RageNukes]

@@hidden_sense9839 At this point Link is better in every way except for the cable

[@hidden_sense9839]

@@MrGamelover23 I just retested it and before the update, the resolution and compression was garbage, now it looks clean and fresh. It is a bit hidden (you can't change it from within the headset), but you can choose between 72, 80 and 90 Hz. My GPU is not really fit for hardcore high-refresh gaming but I am only using it for tilt brush so far (because I need to render scenes in stereoscopic images, which only works with the desktop app). So far looks nice, but sometimes stuttery. Might be the GPU though.

[@hidden_sense9839]

@@RageNukes Before the update, I really wouldn't have believed that to be the case, because it was absolute garbage. Resolution horrible, compression horrible, latency horrible. Now, the resolution issue has ben resolved, just now (15min test) I saw no compression issues and it seems a bit smoother. Still, sometimes a bit stuttery. Might be my weak GPU, but I have to test it a bit more to be sure. Sooner or later, I'll try virtual desktop though.

[@Arsonist00]

I'm using a dedicated router attached to my PC and getting around 35ms latency with virtual desktop.

[@4547466]

No. No it is not. After what Facebook did to it, the value is so incredibly low. They literally sell these headsets at a loss to obtain user data. It's just really sad. And really reviews should not be sponsored, ever.

[@adamrajnovic7000]

What data could they possibly gather. What games you play? How you move your head?

[@basileuskoi]

It's not a review, just a showcase. Chill out, dude

[@bakedandsteaked]

@@adamrajnovic7000 what kind of products you buy, what you say in your room, your height and weight, what you wear, what you look like, where you live, your house layout, when you sleep, when you eat, what you watch, who you talk to, etc

[@user-hk5fo1nm9h]

Hey, if you’re a 14 year old who doesn’t know anything about privacy, anti trust, or megacorps, then it looks like a great deal.

[@xchronox0]

Consoles also sell at a loss. This is because they're also taking 30% of the sales cut from publishers. The difference is... Consoles double dips with the online subscription model. Facebook double dips with your data. 😂

[@mashy712]

@6:45. “Okay? I apparently, I cut him in half” YES!! “Where is that coming from?!?!” YESSS!!!

[@owenpatterson9355]

Wow I’m glad I’m not the only who is deeply disappointed to see the need for a facebook account. I would have bought this if it wasn’t needed, but I’m definitely not going to now. Not sure what Zuck was thinking

[@kaldo_kaldo]

He thinks you don't matter, and he's right. For every one extremist who won't buy due to facebook, 100 more will.

[@aurakille2148]

@@kaldo_kaldo Very true, I'm not that concerned about the privacy issues tbh. They only have your data to sell ads to you while you're on the facebook website.

[@brandon_nope]

I'm sorry but can't you just create a simple account (real name, birthday) and nothing else?

[@GaaraSama1983]

@@brandon_nope Hard to tell. FB said everything will work fine/account not getting banned if you "maintain the account normally" and that's where the problems start. Nobody really knows how this is meant/defined. Just using your Oculus HMD, buying stuff, adding VR friends, ... OR does it also mean you need to regularly log in on your FB account, read, make and share posts, add "normal" friends, ... Really sad this happened to the Oculus brand and ecosystem. It was really good how it was but it's clear what FB wants with Quest 2 and the whole strategy coming with it. It also explains why they don't block, but still don't prefer using one FB account with several headsets. They want one account/user per headset so more data is created that is directly linked with one person.

[@owenpatterson9355]

@@brandon_nope it’s, not just that I can’t make a Facebook account, it’s the principle of the thing. I don’t have any social media accounts (except KZbin I guess) because I find social media to be pretty toxic and detrimental to it’s users. I don’t want to have to validate a company that I don’t support in order to play some cool games. I would also like to control my privacy at least a lil. Finally, I think this demonstrates that Facebook blatantly lies to make more money which isn’t cool.

[@v.pupkin5366]

>requires Facebook account >no tracking stations Figures since the tracking is build right into it (ba-dum-tss)

[@damiengates7581]

5G tracking stations

[@weeksweeks9552]

@@damiengates7581 zuck is hiding in your ceiling

[@gavinwolf8667]

@@weeksweeks9552 monkaw

[@Serph..]

@@damiengates7581 ye bro the aliens from the movie aliens are implanting chips into your brain to track you and putting motherboards in it t track your mother aswell bro crazy bro

[@janis3844]

Hahaha

[@TKA.0]

0:42 The way someone threw the quest scared me.

[@MrMsedek]

Anything that has to be with fb is a deal breaker.

[@bidbeezo3903]

You're using a KZbin account

[@prateekpanwar646]

@@bidbeezo3903 Still KZbin shows ads, Google shows ads but don't leak inside your email. Probably it does who knows but it's certainly lesser than Facebook

[@bidbeezo3903]

@@prateekpanwar646 pretty sure they are owned by the same people

[@jonas6799]

I'm from Germany 😭 Edit: for who doesn't know, the quest isn't sold here due to legal stuff regarding the whole Facebook account thing.

[@cookiegeddon4938]

Wenn du ein quest bestellen willst. Hol sie dir auf Amazon.fr

[@indienerdsdotcom]

I'm from Germany too ... and I love my Quest 2 ... as Cookie wrote, get it from the Frenchies! Chrome was very helpful with the translation.

[@jonas6799]

@@cookiegeddon4938 @VR Adventure Ich schau mal nach, danke für den Tipp!

[@jonas6799]

"Dieser Artikel kann nicht an die ausgewählte Adresse geliefert werden. Bitte wählen Sie eine andere Adresse." 😂 Ich schau mich noch mal woanders um, aber danke für den Tipp

[@indienerdsdotcom]

@@jonas6799 Hast du deine Adresse angegeben oder nutzt du ein Lieferdepot wie nen DPD Shop? Weil normalerweise sollte es an Heimadressen problemlos lieferbar sein.

[@nicolajnielsen1522]

Linus: How differend is the stand alone completely theatherless experience vs the desktop tethered one. Air link: i'm about to end this mans whole career.

[@InfiniteBubbles]

The part about VR-Privacy is coming too short. Linus you promised us to bring the bad side of a Facebook VR headset and you disappointed me. The Problem lies not only in Facebook as the bad boy and you could have used this Video to at least bring to attention, what you are able to track with the VR-Headset and why its worth a discussion. The Ship is only sailed if everyone accepts it. You have no debate, no pro/con thing, this is pure advertising without a real disclosure that it is a plain showcase. Again: I'm Disappointed

[@claudio7010]

I've been monitoring the headset while connected to a network and I've never seen any amount of data being sent when playing offline, and when playing online it's really really low

[@jockelgustavson3561]

@@claudio7010 compression

[@BeefIngot]

They've stopped disclosing in titles that things are ads, likely because people dont want to click on ads nearly as much.

[@InfiniteBubbles]

@@BeefIngot I noticed that too, it was right after linus was making that video about not being clickbait and Showing that thair videos are labeled properbly I think.

[@InfiniteBubbles]

@@claudio7010 The problem is that they have the technology and AGB to make a perfekt Persona from your data, that is really small in size, is unique to you and tells a lot about you. maby they wont do it right away, maby only in online modus, no one knows. But because of that we have to treat this side as existend and probably in use. * PS:HTC has similar data policys in regards of your persona so f*** me...

[@uss_04]

Meanwhile in 2022 July, prices have gone up by $100

[@aruce9]

Too bad there is a Facebook login forced for the HMD Just wait for the jailbreak to roll out

[@raawesome3851]

I mean, why is that a big deal, facebook using vr data? What are they going to do? Leak your vr playtime to the world?

[@smokemyjohnson6755]

Use a throwaway account then

[@art200696]

@@smokemyjohnson6755 You cant, they can brick your device if you wont prove that data in your account is consistent with your ID

[@PT4918]

@@smokemyjohnson6755 There was a study which confirmed that your vr movement counts as biometric data, meaning the way different people move is unique, so yeah. Also you can’t use a throwaway, fb has been banning those left and right, ruining headsets.

[@PrimyFritzellz]

I'm literally using a throwaway account for my quest 2. I don't understand why people complain about it.

[@foam27]

Let me know when you can flash the ROM to remove FB requirement.

[@Luzyvert]

i think its been hacked so here you go

[@killertruth186]

@@Luzyvert May going to know how to do that just in case.

[@foam27]

@@Luzyvert tnx man ;)

[@Luzyvert]

@@foam27 gotchu bro

[@Jaden-up3bg]

Commenting because I'm interested too

[@findstr.s-hi-c._w]

my personal review: 1:the headset is a bit heavy,and can get annoying when wearing it for long periods. 2:the battery life is a bit short,so i recommend: ,putting a power bank in your belt,so you can play wireless for longer. 3:for europe credit card ,and paypall just wont do,we can use it,but most of us dont, and meta gift cards are not available in my country. 4:i also needed to spend 20 bucks extra,for virtual desktop,issue with some graphics cards. (it only streamed audio) 5:immersion is dope as hell,been a long time since i had this much fun with games,(this is my first VR glasses). 6:the free to play library is a bit lacking,so i advice spending about 30$ on at least 1 game when you start out. 7: the price is great,compared to vive, i cant afford 1200 bucks,but you also need an good pc for steam vr,thats another 1000 bucks. ( just another note,we dutch people pay about 30% taxes over electronics.(including a pirate compensation tax.)) ( the quest is about 270 + 100 tax.),about the average smartphone price.) overall im happy...

[@memeeater420]

You probably should've waited a little longer for Quest 3 unless you're on a tight budget

[@Joniboychi]

"There's no tracking stations" Beside the one on your head

[@ebsolas]

Does Facebook count as a tracking station?

[@caseykod4406]

@@Matty__Matt THAT'S THE JOKE

[@ExclamationMarx]

@@ebsolas What an underrated comment

[@Blarnix]

That aged well

[@richardbagg8581]

Glad to see an almost universal disliking in the comments of the requirement to have a facebook account to use this. I hope the ratio tanks.

[@seankkg]

No matter how hard Riley may try, he can never escape TechLinked.

[@oscarcarter9981]

Tech News stays with you for life!

[@franklydoodle350]

You are always TechLinked, there is no way out.

[@Capscapone]

I wish this video was an actual review, scripted and in depth.

[@olutukko2681]

it is. they are reviewing the actual hardware of the product. not the fact that you have to use facebook account with it

[@Capscapone]

@@olutukko2681 yeah but it didn't go as deep as I wanted it to. I own the Quest 2 and I feel they didn't cover things that might diswade people from buying that I noticed. I guess they couldn't aside from the FB account stuff but there are other better reviews online available elsewhere. No talking about virtual desktop or problems pleauging the oculus community since the original quest. It was still a cute video, I enjoyed it, but I think I expected too much.

[@RashidTak]

LTT doesn't do paid reviews, all the sponsorships are "showcases". They've explained this is many of their videos.

[@Capscapone]

@@RashidTak I know, I was just hoping for a review instead of a showcase.

[@CaveyMoth]

Sorry, man. At least we have Tyriel Wood for that.

[@davidstewart9848]

since my name is David i had a fourth wall breaking experience at 8:20

[@mcskittlez6159]

I want to purchase an oculus quest 2 4:30 I no longer want to purchase an oculus quest 2

[@jmadluck]

Bro who cares that much

[@jaketad939]

@@jmadluck Many people do. Seen a lot of people getting thei deviced bricked as well because of this. Losing many games in the process.

[@tj71520]

nothing facebook or mark does is good value for the consumers... that man is creepy in a very scary way

[@vntamed700]

I didn’t know he did the oculus. Virtual reality is evil if he’s pushing it 😕😪

[@krimmAnims]

I don't care tbh.. if it makes my experience better then sell my data all you want

[@jabbahut755]

Lizardman**

[@GnogginGnome]

@@vntamed700 you know there’s other vr headsets...

[@tj71520]

@@krimmAnims well mark will surely enjoy your privacy then

[@romedion1536]

This needs a facebook account to work with, take that out, and I am in

[@NeiradTheGoat]

Ain't happening

[@lukewhite9237]

Mark uses the cameras to get inspiration on the interior design of his lizard lair

[@crayola396]

This video felt a bit shilling to me. Especially when compared to your own scathing video discussing the Oculus Quest 2 in the past.

[@TheOriginalFaxon]

its highly likely that this video was made before that one, the same as the jaystwocents video on the headset. jay mentioned at the start of his video that it had been filmed over the summer but it released a few weeks back. in that time, facebook announced the login fiasco and a bunch of other stuff which is why it's been getting shit on since then. context is important, and if they signed a contract with apple before that announcement, they may have been bound by it despite facebook pulling one over on everyone

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

The fact this is Mark's product definitely makes me avoid buying it

[@bidbeezo3903]

You are using youtube

[@kretisy9530]

@Aegis he’s not wrong

[@KeyBrute]

@Aegis it has cookies.

[@KeyBrute]

@Aegis Then why are you watching this vid? You seem interested apparently.

[@bigweeweehaver]

@Aegis dont remember asking

[@mkriz2140]

Imagine getting banned on facebook, for offensive memes in private chat and lose oculus game library worth of 250 usd 😬

[@nicholasmccoy2341]

seems specific

[@blewis42002]

@@nicholasmccoy2341 it’s stuff that happens. Buy stuff, lose Facebook account, lose all of it.

[@o4ugDF54PLqU]

Plus your headset becomes a brick

[@ConchitaProductions]

@@o4ugDF54PLqU Can't you just factory reset and log in with a new account?

[@madmax2069]

@@ConchitaProductions nope

[@cmdrpain_]

in a couple of years Ill probably need a facebook account just for being allowed to breathe air

[@hwetherell6250]

and amazon to use a toilet...

[@danyalreyaz7503]

@@hwetherell6250 and google to learn anything at all

[@chuckles069]

and don't forget to have a good standing on that FB account or you will get your breathing rights cancelled

[@kyler247]

Just an update, I played half life alyx this week using the virtual desktop app on the headset and noticed almost no meaningful latency. Virtual desktop is a must buy for any pc vr and quest 2 user. To hell with the cable

[@googlegoogle9712]

What’s the difference between using the air link and using virtual desktop all?

[@credoTI]

I tried to create a Facebook account couple of years ago with my main mail address, got instantly banned, didn't try again. I won't even able to use this headset

[@Jayme]

I love how Facebook made you go back and change $300 to $299. Lol

[@jbed6]

Playing with an audience is pretty fun, I hope Zucky enjoys my vrchat experience as much as I do!

[@adam_roman]

It'd be cool to see a Quest 2 follow-up from Linus. Over the last 2 years the Valve Index has seen little in terms of improvement in software, where the Quest 2 today feels like a more matured platform they've been working to squeeze every bit of functionality from. I know for me a big dealbreaker was the lower refresh rate, but now with 120hz support and wireless PCVR support, it got me to reconsider my Index.

[@adam_roman]

@Thawne I think you replied to the wrong comment bud. Didn't say anything about data or Facebook. Edit: Nevermind you're a bot. Get out of here

[@xehala5228]

well just because its facebook ... i'D prefer paying 1000$ for a vr headset , than mark's spyware

[@Peter-fv9bj]

Riley is the embodiment of Facebook when it was innocent.

[@AbdallahTeach]

when was facebook "innocent"

[@Peter-fv9bj]

@@AbdallahTeach When there weren't advertisers.

[@AbdallahTeach]

@@Peter-fv9bj when was that.

[@benjamindover2601]

Remember kids to Consume product, don't ask why Facebook want's all your private information, shut up and consume.

[@whattheheck8979]

I love how clear and precise Linus is when explaining other technologies, but when he's playing VR his inner child comes out with these short answers while someone else carries the talking part of it

[@JamesSmith-dn8lb]

So if you get banned on Facebook you can no longer play VR. What could go wrong?

[@makisekurisu4674]

Can't you use a new account or something?

[@simonmuller1483]

@@makisekurisu4674 Yes you may just create a new account but you are going to loose all purchases you made with your oculus account, but if you used sidequest/steam you are just fine.

[@claudio7010]

@@makisekurisu4674 no u can't its against facebook to create different accounts for the same person

[@makisekurisu4674]

@@simonmuller1483 Are there any ways to recover them?

[@SoniXperias]

I've had an oculus quest for a while now and I find that it's way more immersive than the others because there's no wire or anything. I've accidentally punched my wall so many times

[@Apple_Beshy]

you can adjust your area right?

[@SoniXperias]

@@Apple_Beshy this was a year ago when I only had a tiny area to play in

[@srtfrostbite]

I hear Satan is introducing a new headset with better quality and lower price, so I'm gonna buy that one.

[@sl_50]

I would at least trust Satan over lizard men

[@kaldo_kaldo]

Ahh so you're too poor to afford a VR headset. Don't worry, me too bro

[@srtfrostbite]

@@kaldo_kaldo 👌

[@srtfrostbite]

@@sl_50 can't disagree with that one.

[@georgf9279]

@@sl_50 Satan will not brick your headset if you have bad standing.

[@FancyCatMusic]

I'd pay way more than even the price of the headset to not fuck with Facebook having their filthy hands in VR LMAO

[@Max-hc4li]

When I clicked on this video, I expected a REVIEW of the Quest 2, not a 12 minute ad. This video has absolutely no value, there are no opinions just great, great, great. I'm looking for better quality in the future.

[@WhoWatchesVideos]

Then wait for a review, not a sponsored video.

[@lorddug1892]

Stfu

[@LordTakahashi]

Sorry your Majesty they'll do better next time they promise. Take these complimentary Karen Kakes(TM) as an apology gift.

[@nohaxyt6733]

Companies: Linus, how many sponsorships are you able to put in one video? Linus: Yes

[@MrBrannGamingTwitch]

god watching this 3 years later after covid makes you realise how stupid everyone was

[@DATAN420]

No mark, I'm not paying you to spy on me

[@ThatNormalBunny]

But I bet you'll pay Valve to spy on you

[@skimpskomp]

@@ThatNormalBunny worth it

[@DATAN420]

@@skimpskomp I agree

[@Literalchutoy87]

"Requiring a Facebook account can help insure data security"... *Facebook wants to help insure data security*

[@ginatails]

Secure but not private

[@DejonckheereWard]

This didn't age well, did it now?

[@Somebody-pq1jq]

@@DejonckheereWard Why

[@aneemesh7524]

@@Somebody-pq1jq 540 million account details leaked from Facebook in a data breach

[@Somebody-pq1jq]

@@aneemesh7524 Damn

[@flyingfree333]

Screw Oculus, never deal with them.

[@harold6422]

You mean screw Facebook, because Oculus is basically Facebook now.

[@billykaelin6358]

Oculus is an amazing headset I would my rift. If it were not owned my Facebook

[@DavidPaulMorgan]

that was a surprise - when Linus paused the game, turned to camera and said "Hi David" - cheers, David :-) 🖖🏾🖖🏾😇😇

[@TECHN01200]

Linus: Says $300 Editors note: $299 Looks like facebook really wants this to sound like $200

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

Same as every hardware manufacturer... they always make it sound cheaper with the "99" at the end. certainly isn't just facebook.