Old Composer REACTS to JINJER TEACHER TEACHER | Composers Point of View

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[@Chris_Bro_aka_MR_PLAT1NEM]

You should see her perform Judgment and punishment one take. She's really just super talented.

[@Joose]

Yep, it's a must-view now.

[@frankcastle5076]

both that and perennial live at wacken. stunning. and then you will be truly ready to just submit to the will of jinjer. merry christmas

[@maxmoller]

Ohh yes. You gotta give a reaction to that one. I actually think the one take version is better than the album version.

[@cannibalcorpse123]

Watching them live 5 Meters in front of you is a whole new experience. One of the best I've seen

[@ellavarnes2392]

heck yea!

[@pabloflit3109]

"Perennial"... live at Wacken... highly recommended...

[@pabloflit3109]

The lyrics about nature's cycle are impressive... this is poetry.

[@alecwesterholm9122]

Also about her depression too

[@jakegomt]

The melody in the chorus, guaranteed "chicken skin"!

[@viniciovp4ever]

Beast of a video, mate

[@Doomlord777]

This!

[@stevenestevez8288]

Perennial Live at Wacken 2019 needs to be next

[@davidcarter5504]

I second this motion!

[@DPW864]

100%

[@shannons1331]

Yes!! Perennial must be next, it's epic!

[@chrishasafro]

100% agree, its a great showcase of how talented she really is.

[@stevenestevez8288]

@@chrishasafro not just her but the band as a whole!

[@davidphillips9726]

Jinjer ain't no joke. There's more talent in those 4 people than 99% of modern top 40 radio music

[@madcracker84]

Producers seem more talented, especially in modern rap, than the artists themselves. It's ridiculous.

[@bwestacado9643]

@@madcracker84 modern rap is a joke unless you're into Tom Macdonald...which I am

[@jayys8278]

@@bwestacado9643 please tell me you're joking

[@bwestacado9643]

@@jayys8278 I never joke about Tom Macdonald. If you aren't into his music, that's on you

[@JoeyNiklas]

Yall are listening to the wrong rap. Look up Chicago or London Drill.

[@trippstephens6934]

She does use effects, BUT she doesn’t use any sort of “Pitch Shifter” (to lower tonality) nor does she use Any sort of “Distortion” (to make her voice sound harsher). None of the truly good metal Vocalists use either of the above to raise the quality of the vocalist. They use effects to add dynamics to the sounds, that’s it.

[@GGaby_Dv]

This.

[@trippstephens6934]

@@GGaby_Dv haha, I want to say this to every reactor that says that, but most won’t understand what I’m talking about. I know the Mighty Decomposing Composer will. 😂 I completely understand the assumption though, simply because of how deep Tatiana’s growls/gutturals are for a woman, but not only that; her petite stature is logically contradictory to the fuckin’ MASSIVE tone that she produces.

[@williamcody3415]

Eugene answered this a while back. they use distortion in the studio on her voice to smooth it out but not live. they use a delay in studio and live also. she also does use the dredded mic cupping live as a tool to go lower. she just did an interview saying so. she does not use pitch correction or auto tune crap. in studio if you f up just do a retake. and live it is different depending on how she feels.

[@trippstephens6934]

@@williamcody3415 yeah, I saw her interview recently. She doesn’t really do a whole lot of mic cupping during their live shows, the only time I noticed her doing that was toward the end of the set because she (and I along with everyone else) are wore the fuck out. I didn’t see the interview with Eugene, but I’ve seen them live a few times; they’re pretty damn close to the album sound (as much as any band is really).

[@Module79L]

@@williamcody3415 - Tatiana never said she cups the mic on purpose, it was the guy who interviewed her that made that assumption. She said that she holds the mic by the "head" because she doesn't want to look like an ESC contestant (or something similar) and the grip is better there. Holding the mic the way she does is not cupping. : )

[@Kipperbob]

There's so much going on with this band I don't know how anyone could be expected to break down their songs in one sitting, the drummer is so unbelievably good, the bass player is so bloody dynamic, and the guitarist plays such beautiful chord extensions, and that's before we even get to Tatiania's unreal vocals and her excellent performances. I haven't been so impressed with a band since I first heard Soundgarden or Pantera in the 90s.

[@davidcarter5504]

Never heard anyone refer to this song as a "slam poetry" sound (during the verse), but it is very accurate, love it!

[@ElliWoelfin]

Well she was inspired by Otep.

[@cormachayden1614]

Tatiana has mentioned Cyprus Hill as one of her musical influences, so the hip-hop rythm in the lyrics is not your imagination.

[@SparkimusPrime]

I think you would really love I Speak Astronomy by them. It’s a masterpiece. The song and the video 🖤

[@dharlow5810]

Yes!!

[@Typh00nXXI]

Yes! One of my all time favorite Jinjer songs.

[@rofyle]

They posted a new video a few days ago for their song "Home Back". They do a jazz breakdown in the middle of it that is turning people's heads. The song is about the war in eastern Ukraine where they grew up.

[@deadcrow6888]

Shit made a tear roll down my face, I was reading the lyrics as I watched it. The song, and video production are nothing short of amazing.

[@bwestacado9643]

That Blegh though...

[@bwestacado9643]

@@deadcrow6888 the song is about them wanting to return to their home town. It's been in civil war for a while and they had to relocate to Kiev to stay away from it. It's pro communist and anti communist forces. The pros want to return to Russia...it's a whole thing, but the song speaks for them and their desires

[@deadcrow6888]

@@bwestacado9643 I'm aware of the meaning, I did do some research.

[@GothDuck]

@@bwestacado9643 The pro-communists want to return to non-communist Russia?

[@MattMcloughlin]

It's not really any sort of harmonizer or plugin adding to her voice beyond the "standard" echo, reverb, and EQ etc that you do in the mixing process, all the harmonies are separate and they're just layered in the session. The growls are layered (low, mids, and highs usually), there's definitely some doubling, vocal harmonies etc at various points, but they're just punched in during recording like you would any kind of overdub. There's minimum 6 vocal tracks going on here for sure, a main vocal track, a main double, a harmony track, growl low, growl mid, gang vocals, perhaps the growls get doubled too to make them extra big and so you can pan them for some of that wide thickness, and possibly a seventh for the clean passage where the vocals drop in dynamics and a lot of the reverb etc seems to drop with it, but that could be done with automation too. So yeah there's studio magic going on, but not in terms of FX and plugins, more-so excellent mixing and layering skills with excellent source recordings from Tati and the instrumentation! Live she basically has to pick which vocal parts she's going to do since obviously she can't growl and clean sing at the same time, so like on the "mercy, mercy, merciful" line, the first two words are mid-growls, but merciful is layered clean with a growl, which you can do in studio, but live she growls all three words since her voice is sat in that range and she won't have to flip out of it for one word, only to drop back into growls on the next line.

[@cyberia55]

I don’t think he said she USED a harmonizer. I believe he said that in that one section of the chorus, she COULD HAVE used one; that doing so would have made it sound more full.

[@junnunaumanen6672]

This. Normal modern vocal production.

[@lizardkingof1968]

Jinjervitis strikes again! huge rabbit hole...Perennial (live at Wakken), Who is Gonna Be the One? (Live), I Speak Astronomy, Judgement and Punishment (Tati's one take sing through, no effects video is phenomenal) ...to start with 😬

[@Iaminsaneone]

Breath of fresh air for the Metal scene, lets all face it, we all were getting a bit stale and crusty, just like my 54 year old bones. Been over a decade, since some forward thinking musicians like Jinjer, and other bands who have been doing the underground slog, have finally transformed, and even transcended our favourite music genre. Jinjer are so tight musically, and so talented to be able to switch genres multiple times during a song, they blow me away. Tatiana will inspire so many vocalists, to try and compete at her level, but so will all the other members of the band. Thank you, for your breakdown of this song, and how much you have grown as a Metal connoisseur.

[@Raksasa187]

loving the in depth reaction instead of just listening passively like most reactioners, this way i can actually learn a thing or two about music!

[@gilgamesh9x]

it always blows my mind how she switches from harsh to clean vocals within the same breath in this song. crazy good stuff to my mind and ear.

[@Cryptbunnii]

The entire band is just absolutely amazing.

[@mendronesg]

This is an official video. This audio is actually the album version. If you're interested, listen to a live performance they're really good

[@darkaquatus]

Yeah their studio versions of their music has a lot of layering going on. They even tend to do this during some of their live performances. This song specifically has 2 or 3 extra layers going on. If you listen carefully you can even hear some clean vocals going through her gutter vocals here and there. They've done an amazing job putting all of it together without making it sound chaotic.

[@70zenboy]

I’m pretty sure they released this as a video release not a “live” performance or concert.

[@williamcody3415]

studio audio with video clips from 4 shows

[@JungleScene]

correct. this is studio version with live footage as the music video.

[@Qyngali]

@@JungleScene I don't think he said it was live at any time in the video...

[@blindbubba9001]

...i love that...."unresolved voicing" is what keeps us coming back to jinjer....more jinjer please....thanks...peace....

[@bloodblitzowns11]

WHo is gonna be the one live is a great one that shows off her live growling techniques.

[@dustinshadle732]

when Tatiana sings in a clean and smooth manner, i melt. when she growls it energizes me

[@thetalantonx]

Whoa. First time listening to Jinjer - thanks for introducing me to new music!

[@dewaynewalker2430]

Don't stop your doing great

[@Doomlord777]

The planets aligned when these 4 musicians came together! Best band on THIS planet!

[@michaelbradley40]

Enjoyed the reaction, there are so many brilliant Jinjer performances, Pit of Consciousness Live in Kiev is amazing.

[@chadvert5004]

Great reaction! I would recommend Perennial live at Wacken 2019, or Judgement and Punishment One Take Vocal. They are great live!

[@chilly2go]

I couldn't possibly love Hawaii any more and then I found your channel. It is such a treat to watch you give your first impression of these songs. Your humor and 🎶 experience never fails to entertain and deliver more clues as to why we love this music. Mahalo and happy holidays to you!

[@KeyOfGeebz]

Thank you so much!! Same to you and yours!

[@stefanklass6763]

I also used to listen to vocals just as an instrument. Jinjer got me to listen to the lyrics man, you should definitely check out Home Back.

[@tackle47]

You need to check them out in a totally live performance best starters for truly live are Perennial at Wacken 2019 and Who is Gonna Be the One.

[@WorldsOkayestGuitarDemos]

Go Zips

[@trevorbook9529]

Gojira please! I think you would really like them. They're easily one of the best and most recognizable modern metal bands. I would suggest starting with either Flying Whales or The Gift of Guilt!

[@Qyngali]

He has said in previous videos that we should include direct links to the video you want him to react to, makes it much easier for him. :) Quite often there are low quality audio versions floating around too.

[@trevorbook9529]

@@Qyngali oh ok, thank you for letting me know! i will next time

[@Qyngali]

@@trevorbook9529 Merry Christmas (if you celebrate that, or pick your alternative if applicable)! Stay safe.

[@trevorbook9529]

@@Qyngali I had a good Christmas, hope you did as well!

[@bethanymcpherson595]

Yes please gojira! kzbin.info/www/bejne/lV67kpSKprR8ebc

[@grnd4y]

The Judgement and Punishment vocal one take is her best showcase IMO. Extremely talented band all around.

[@Jeminai77]

there are ofc effects and doubling. if its an issue watch "Judgement and punishment - one take vocals" if effects are getting in the way of nailing down her abilities.

[@michaelb1761]

I agree, a lot of electronic massaging in this video. It is definitely a studio recording and a music video in the form of a stage performance. Their live performances are much more impressive to me, because they demonstrate the talent of the band not the producer. I recommend Judgement and Punishment One Take Vocal Performance for something different from the two Jinjer songs that you've already listened to.

[@deed5811]

Yes, and the video is from several concerts. Tatiana has several different outfits mixed throughout.

[@Quicksilver_Cookie]

You people are acting as if double tracking is cheating, or something. ALL of your favorite artists use double tracking in some/large capacity in the studio. And it doesn't matter if they're in 2020 or 1940. It's an incredibly old technique.

[@deed5811]

I don't see anyone complaining. Many have initially thought it was a live video which it isn't.

[@Module79L]

@@Quicksilver_Cookie - And many people act as if they're telling us something new, when it's so obvious that I seriously doubt no one hasn't already noticed.

[@Ottoni174]

double tracking happens in literally every band that is nor amateur

[@otakubancho6655]

This is the album version of the song,but the video is actually 3 concert videos cut together.

[@curtism.revisseubert2512]

Everyone focuses on the singer so much, you can really feel in these more recent releases the band (and singer) pushing against the stereotypes and stretching themselves musically. They are driven and so precise.

[@Always-fd7pk]

As a composer you'd probably enjoy the hell out of Wintersun! Try "Sons of Winter and Stars" and "Time", the Sonic Pump Studio session! 🤘🏻

[@cristiancamiloramirezcaste6410]

Who is gonna be the one Live is a must do! Amazing performance.

[@thomazpacifico5850]

Check out Tatiana's one take vocal performance of "Judgement and Punishment" and also Jinjer live at Wacken playing "Perennial". These two are really really good to knowing more about the band!

[@romanbrandle319]

Your musical understanding and open mindedness , is what makes your reaction interesting .

[@Ugunark]

They definitely are active in their production. It's bad ass, and it's cool that you're picking up on the detailed attention they're putting into their music.

[@TheKotofoto]

I love people that are counting something in those Jinjer's chaotic beautiful structures ))))) While you are staying relaxed and enjoying every change )

[@GenXHBReacts]

iirc, this is studio audio over a concert montage. When you get the chance, watch the Live in Melbourne version. It is more organic

[@notowar5560]

There is postproduction in this video, you can hear it in the "merciful" part, there are two voices, one growling and other singing at the same time, probably from both sessions, there is also a part were the crowd growls, probably is from one of the shows, but its amplified and cleaned. There are a couple of pure live sessions, for example the full show on melbourne.

[@thebullfrog5207]

My Jinjer suggestion is a song called Ape! Either the one shot live or the official music video. Another suggestion is a song "No Hoard of Value" official lyric video! In my opinion thes are Jinjer's most underrated songs that have a great reaction potential!

[@thebullfrog5207]

Or "Who's gonna be the one" official live by Jinjer! Amazing song, but a little more commonly reacted too!

[@Qyngali]

@The Bullfrog those 2 are among my favorite tracks, seconded! But to be honest I love all their songs lol. (Except Waltz, sorry. Still an... ok track though).

[@thebullfrog5207]

@@Qyngali I love all there songs as well! My one exception is Bad Water! Yes it has a sick bass line, but the rest of the track falls short of my Jinjer standard.

[@Qyngali]

@@thebullfrog5207 Would be boring if everybody liked the exact same things/songs/movies etc. :) I actually LIKE bad water haha, but more power to you for not.

[@jen_jen8595]

Ape is one of my all time faves! Also When Two Empires Collide.

[@monarch-black]

I've enjoyed your reactions recently. I'm a big fan of Jinjer, Snarky Puppy, Porcupine Tree, Polyphia, Dream Theater, among many others. I'm a jazz guy myself. Didn't go into music, but most of my friends did. I was the only non-music major in my university jazz ensemble (trumpet, so really like Don Ellis for his crazy time signatures and Maynard Ferguson for his power). I really like the theory-based analysis you give. Keep it up! Band Maid is one you haven't done yet that has a good reaction following. Probably my favorite newish rock band. Domination (live) is a great one. Unleash the Archers is also awesome power metal. Otherwise, keep up your normal selection. You are batting a strong average on bands I like.

[@MRxMADHATTER]

This band will take over the world.

[@jforden78]

This is the song as it appears on the album (produced) with Live footage in the video. They use reverb and echo at times to make the sound fuller.

[@badm0t0rf1nger]

This took my song of the year for 2019. Tremendous stuff. Vlad on the drums makes me smile with his reluctance to admit they've relented to some 4/4 for that huge sounding chorus. :) Describing Tatiana's vocal delivery as a "slam poetry" sound thru the verses is spot-on btw- kudos.

[@senionut6218]

Very nice reaction, my man. You should definitely try making a reaction to- Who is gonna be the one. Looking forward to it

[@zachhamilton456]

Their older songs are really good, but I prefer the newer albums from last year. They keep getting better and better. Love the videos. Definitely need to check out Periphery - Reptile! You will love it

[@williamcody3415]

both this EP "Micro" and the ful length "Macro" were released in 2019. March and October I think

[@benjaminschulman4033]

Home back is a masterpiece and the next song you should listen to by Jinjer

[@bryansmith5980]

There is a lot of Post preduction tricks done in the editing. But are wonderfully done in this song. However Tatianas ablity to hold the note and carry it through her changes even thou it may be many octives lower is truly the best part. The band is a whole different story. Amazing!

[@aceofbass131]

great ear on the whole step down, its drop A on a six string. The engineering on this track is genius, everything gets it own space. It is the same drummer as the Pisces video, to answer your question. It is also very common for harsh vocalists to double or even sometimes triple layer their tracks, for body and punch, and they typically use those same tracks for live performances as part of the backing tracks/effects. Keep the analysis coming, man, great to hear the insight!

[@gnovincejr2]

Love your reactions my friend! You nailed so many things/thoughts that frankly others just will not! Time for an actual live performance! There are many.... "Perennial-Live at Wacken" is a good showcase of the band....and of course Tatiana's one take vocal performance on "Judgement and Punishment(has a little reggae mixed with Metal)" BTW I love that you don't focus on lyrics, to me that's what it should be. Focus on the whole package then maybe later on if wanted look at lyrics.

[@codeldr755]

Judgement and punishment one take will blow your mind. This whole band is fantastic as artist. Period.

[@piotrduz7179]

Love your reaction to jinjer. You are a nice man. Parennial should be next to react to. Merry christmas. Peter from London.

[@davidshugars947]

"Cleansing the sonic palette." This needs to be your new mantra.

[@candybanks8717]

"Cleansing the sonic pallet." Great stuff!

[@BobBob-iv1le]

You're right about harmonizing with layering extra vocal tracks in post. Even tool does that. Enya couldn't perform live.

[@schylersmith1484]

Great channel man, love the videos.

[@Atremolive]

Keep doing what you do Boss. Your "like" to "dislike" ratio is insane, so clearly you're doing it right!

[@14ngscbass]

More JINJER please!!!!!!!!

[@mattyone78]

The guys engineering for Jinjer use layering to awesome effect, sometimes clean on clean, sometimes clean/growl, love it

[@caleb_erlandson322]

I’m loving the videos!

[@frankenvonstein3386]

welcome to the world of jinjer. enjoy the ride.

[@Chello53427]

For sure pls check out a live performance next! Perennial (live at Wacken), Who Is Gonna Be The One (live) and Judgement (& Punishment) one-take vocal performance are all excellent

[@Typh00nXXI]

Love your videos! keep them coming man!

[@XxRumbleBeexX1]

Love these reactions man, keep it going

[@troyswisher9413]

Really love your videos !

[@MattKrogmeier]

I’m still begging for Avatar! 🤘🏻

[@raulgiraldo2882]

I enjoy your reactions and breakdowns. Keep it up!

[@MrSeelenwalzer]

Congratulations to the nice reactions you offer to us. I really enjoy this like all others I watched. Please keep on. It’s so interesting to listen to your analysis of the songs. To Jinjer: I totally agree and there are without a doubt layers/effects at different passages of the song. And I like it because it’s the Studio Audio Version of the Song. I’m not sure but I think they don’t layer „too“ much in their live performances- which are incredible. To get an impression of their stage performances you should pick „perennial“ live at Wacken. Also „Who is gonna be the one“ live is a very good example. Merry Christmas 🎁 🎄 to you and your family. Stay safe and healthy. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪

[@hippieman1996]

Just wanna say your videos are awesome and very insightful. So glad to have found your channel! Keep doing you, its so interesting to see you explore and experience how you break down these songs. Keep on keeping on man!

[@HCXWinchester]

My favorite Jinjer song as a huge fan. This slow bridge is my favorite musical moment with infamous Rosetta Stoned bridge. When i hear both, instant goosebumps. AND i heard them a lot lol. Nice reaction as always :)

[@HCXWinchester]

Also they use effects and this is pretty post produced song. Of course the live performance will be different as vocals(i saw them live last year) but it does not take away from the experience. There is no cheating in their music. Their live is as good as their recordings, different but beautiful in their own sense. I don't know why people obsess over these things. They give us amazing music both as album records and live. Why bother ourselves with these superficial things?

[@detailit]

I really enjoy the channel. Great reviews and a whole new perspective! Love Jinger!

[@nostalcholy]

I've watched most of your reactions this past week. I love your personality and values! Keep being a great guy and enjoy life and music

[@tobik2189]

Really good video yet again! You definetly have to check out the one take vocal performance of "Judgement (&Punishment)" and also the live performance of "Perennial" at Wacken. See you in the next one :)

[@deepfury]

Man, I really like your journey and your genuine style! Keep up the good work!

[@stevilspitegaming]

This guy. Is fucking awesome.

[@stevesummerell9722]

You keep doing you, we love your breakdowns and love your reactions!

[@sydneyduchaine4832]

Hi! Most Jinjer songs are tuned in drop A on a baritone guitar and 5 string bass. There are drop C songs, but I can't recall them off the top of my head.

[@chrisgoldston9755]

Mahalo mate....another great reaction, keep em coming 😎🤘

[@KristiesLexicon]

I appreciate your ability to really listen to music, not just hear it long enough to see if you approve.

[@Hhugog]

Found your channel diving down the you tube rabbit hole the other day and can't stop watching your videos. That said I LOVE your reference to " The people's elbow" shout out to the Rock!! The D-bag canoe and tootsie trolls as you call the online comments haters with no lives ..... Priceless !!! LOLOL aloha and mahalo brother!!

[@beardedtalkchannel]

Absolutely love your reactions! They are genuine and honest. Your experience with music and the appreciation of it is how I feel as well! Keep it up!!

[@rickc2102]

Oh hell yeah, this song's been stuck in my head for 3 or 4 months now. Looking forward to this reaction!

[@snrp0169]

I love the way you break things down and it helps me appreciate these songs even more. Don't worry about the haters!

[@unicyclingistheshit]

Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying your videos. Super interesting to see a composers take on some of my favourite tunes. Keep up the great work!

[@alricaneshama]

You can say what this song is. Rap Metal. I love it.

[@Favrefan297]

Best reaction videos on KZbin! Keep up the good work.

[@brettd8297]

I love listening to your deep knowledge of music and your openness to experience and breakdown all kinds of different genres. I had the same reaction to my first Jinjer experience as well. Hell of a voice! You have the perfect personality for these reaction videos. Keep on entertaining!

[@niek82]

Those pauses were on point. Nice video, thanks!

[@davidsimonds7963]

I like your perspective on the video picking up on things others miss . Keep up the great work.

[@tommasoscalici]

Discovered Jinjer thanks to your reactions, I'm loving this band now, thank you!

[@irontusk1862]

Absolutely superb reaction, yes JINJER is something special~A true gem.

[@tyrother2902]

really enjoy your channel! you've gotta react to this heat - horizontal hold from their peel session in the 70s. incredibly ahead of their time and it's just amazing they pulled that song off live

[@baronofgreymatter14]

Ive seen her live 4 times and heard this song alot..its amazing

[@dontreadonme5331]

Great reaction and insight. I love how you "experience" it as opposed to just listening.

[@craigbarteaux8441]

They for sure have backing tracks, that they play or do vocals on. My band was doing this for guitar parts live. Everyone on in ears with click track. Works wonders and sounds awesome...unless you fall off the click, or have a malfunction. Haha. This band is one of my favorites. Loving your content....subscribed.