Old Garden Roses: The Gallicas

[@ignaciaforteza7731]

My dear, what a great pleasure to see how well documented and versed you are on history, not only on our beautiful and well loved roses 🌹 It’s a pleasure to listen to you. Thank you.

[@skyz3160]

I could watch you all day ! I love being informed by all your knowledge ! No kidding, for me your the best .

[@kathrynbeattie8575]

Good information and details on the plants..we have been collecting old plants that are no longer sold ...we injoy finding old Beautiful roses..

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

That's fantastic Kathryn. It's so important that we preserve the varieties that fall "out of the trade".

[@kathrynbeattie8575]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm yes soo true..I was very pleased that I was able to start new plants...

[@cgj3888]

A Rose Geek here, for l followed all you video, one wealth of info, stopped and made notes and rewind Thanks and Best Wishes SMILES

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks!

[@allenkinahan6955]

I inherited a few forms of Gallica from my grandfather who lived in Rose City, zone 4, and these thrived. I now have more than nine varieties. Trust me on this, folks, choose rose varieties that will live and thrive through your winters. My favourite roses, to say the least.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Allen - I'm coming around to your way of thinking. We don't usually see much winter damage here, but this year the HTs and other tender hybrids took a beating, and it made me appreciate all of my old garden roses that kept their stems and are looking great.

[@maryt8184]

This is a great series of videos. Thank you!

[@themoonsbluelight]

I really appreciate these videos on the different classes of roses.

[@Mondoshawn]

I own and love the apothecary's rose because of the simplicity and because it reminds me of my childhood. Also bees like it.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much. Mine's coming into bloom now, and you're so right about the bees loving it

[@devonarthur2678]

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[@austinbrantley3923]

@Devon Arthur flixportal xD

[@devonarthur2678]

@Austin Brantley Thank you, signed up and it seems to work :) I appreciate it !

[@austinbrantley3923]

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[@henrysangmaster4143]

Rose's are such a important part of our history Jason..thank you

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

My pleasure!

[@Debbsley]

This was an excellent video. As a newly enamored rose fan, I have watched a lot of videos recently having anything to do with the flowers. This one was perfect - the breadth of history, imagery, and science you wove into a cohesive narrative was really fun and super interesting. Thank you! 😁🌹

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much for the encouragement

[@arit8009]

I ran into this looking for information about damask fabrics but this is fascinating and I very much enjoyed the information! Nice work!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Ari!

[@Shuttlefield]

Interesting video and the historic parts you covered. Came across this whilst looking at different techniques for pruning the Summer-flowering roses - even the rose specialists have different takes. Here in deepest darkest Scotland where the climate is also, shall we say, a little on the moist side, the Gallicas grow well. Coming up to running a rose pruning course as have been in horticultural education, and as a gardener, my passion is roses. Have tokens of Gallicas in Cardinal de Richelieu, Charles de Mills, Tuscany and Officinalis, they do well in my gardens and suffer very little from mildew although black spot will come later again in the season as we've had another mild Winter. Will check out the other videos you have as we intend to create a national collection for Portland roses. Keep up the passion and the good work

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Fantastic - I love the Portland roses! I only grow three of them so far, but will definitely add more to the garden as I find them. Great to hear that the gallicas do so nicely in your climate.

[@domlafourcade505]

Really nice work! Lots of historical references which is what I like the most... the object and the context

[@melissamybubbles6139]

I love history. I wondered what people in the past had in their gardens. Now you're helping me learn. Thank you.

[@sherylgill3877]

Thank you Jason! You have inspired me to get back into rose gardening. I found your videos in a very circuitous way while I was attempting to select a giclee print by Redoute for my office at work. I love landscaping, history, ancestry and folklore. So, your video hit all the right notes. Wonderful insights. Thanks again.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Very much my pleasure.

[@isKatKat]

Such an excellent video! I have to watch the other ones in your series about rose archetypes 😊 Really interesting stuff 👌🏻🌹 Thank you!

[@thanasistrafalis5136]

I discovered your channel recently. Roses and especially rosa gallica are one of my favourite plants. Your videos are very educating. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!! 😁

[@juliannadoyle8976]

Thank you so informative and enjoyable.

[@jimdemetre]

I had both R. gallica 'Officinalis' and R. gallica 'Charles DeMilles' growing in my backyard here in Seattle. They had no powdery mildew and were extremely robust, producing many fragrant flowers. They suckered more readily than any other rose I've planted, however, even R. rugosa. I dug out the offshoots of latter and gave them to a friend. Now she has a nice hedge of scented roses growing along her fence.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Nicely done. We're not far away, but I can't say that Charles de Mills is spotless here. Gallica 'Officinalis' is not too bad. Yes - suckers galore!

[@jimdemetre]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm My Autumn Damask Rose is my favorite. It has produced blooms before on Christmas Day.

[@EvolutionWendy]

I'm sure it's not just me who smelled the lovely fragrance of roses throughout the entire video!!

[@everafterflowerfarm]

Thanks for the education!

[@hannahadlergontard7057]

Please, make more videos about old roses!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Sure thing. They're done blooming for this year, but I'll pick up again with them in early spring.

[@hannahadlergontard7057]

Love yours vídeos!

[@janerosexia747]

I love your shows. I have 3 wild rose plants with White, light purple pinkish and red-pinky flowers. How to prune those rose bushes is a big problem for me. They grow wildly. Please make a video about pruning wild rose brushes. Thank you very very much.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks for watching and for your comments. I will put the topic on my list of videos to make. It depends on your climate - do the roses repeat-bloom or do they only bloom only one time in the spring?

[@janerosexia747]

Thank you for your email. The rose bushes I have are blooming from spring to fall. I live in east Canada. I still see them blooming now, but not so many like in June and July. And I really love their smell, very fragrant,. I picked their petals, and dried them. I tried to use it like making tea with some herbs. Thank you again. I am waiting for your topic about pruning wild rose bushes.

[@donnamack6797]

Oh yes! I also have Complicata. I installed it last fall. I got it from Freedom Gardens. It's such an iconic rose, and I have been assured that it does not sucker (thank goodness!)

[@diannenaworensky6698]

Thank you for your video. ✌🏻❤

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching!

[@kathleenwoollam7843]

Thank you, Jason, for all your information on roses, they have to be the best flower for any garden. I have been looking for Damask roses for years and I can't find them do you sell and ship out to customers, I certainly hope so, I live in Vernon right by Okanagan Lake

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Kathleen. We're still working on our plan for next year's sales. We haven't done much mail-order so far, as local demand has been high enough to match my propagation. Check the website in the new year for our selling events, and maybe we can work something out!

[@cjrockinmama]

Thank you so much for doing these videos. Lots of good information and I love it. You did so well with a few of the French rose names and then said "Redoute". . .without saying it the way it is said in French "Redoutay". . .just trying to be helpful. Thanks again.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

My pleasure. No offense taken - any of my non-English pronunciation should be taken with a grain of salt. Come to think of it, even some of my English language names are questionable!

[@donnamack6797]

I love these roses. I got a Charles de Mills from Forest Farm (of all places) that arrived with three blooms in the pot. I didn't really know anything about the roots, but after about 5 years another one appeared to its left - perfectly placed. Then a year or two later one appeared to the left of the second one, and then two years later a third! Now a fourth has emerged in the front so I am going to move it, but what a rose! The only issue I had with it was not mildew (probably because I am in zone 5), but thrips, which would destroy the blooms. I figured out thrips years ago when they were spoiling my white peonies. The solution to the thrips is acephate, a systemic (you bite, you die, so no harm to bees). I treat them at the beginning of the season, and they produce the most beautiful flowers! The other gallica I have is Desiree Parmentier. I saw it in the High Country Roses catalog. It seems to be quite rare. Will it sucker? Who knows?!!!

[@sierramike6626]

Thank you very much! Such a great podcast!

[@shuvanidev]

I really liked this video - a big fan and admirer of heirloom roses. Have you done a video about moss roses yet?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. Not yet - but I'm itching to do one on the centifolias and mosses. It takes a bit of time to gather photos - and I'm running tight for time now... but it would be nice to get some footage while some of these are in bloom in my garden.

[@shuvanidev]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Wonderful, I look forward to it! I would love for you to do a video of the roses in your garden - maybe a video tour one day?? :)

[@shuvanidev]

Oh, I see you just posted a video tour - I just saw it on my sidebar and now going to check it out :)

[@andreaalman8258]

Thank you very much for your video! Very informative and well put together. Love it 💜

[@warp9p659]

I have Belle de Crecy and The Apothecary Rose in my garden. Will be getting some others too.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Nice. I'd love to find 'Belle de Crecy' locally.

[@warp9p659]

I actually bought it at The Home Depot about 10+ years ago. There was just a couple of years that they carried potted old garden roses early in the Spring, then they stopped carrying them for some reason. I also bought Comte de Chambord, Sombreuil, and Coquette de Blanches at the same time.

[@jjayneartworkx]

I'm loving this series! Thank you for these! 💚

[@agustasister5624]

Ive been wanting one of the roses on the left....ive been trying to figure it out its name in my spare seconds. Thanks.. Charles.de mills...now i know... I have cc on all the time...thanks for checking it..you would NOT BELIEVE WHAT SOME PEOPLES CC COMES OUT AS.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

So true. The captioning is even worse, I suppose, when combined with auto translation. I really wonder if anyone who doesn't understand English will get any use at all from these videos.

[@flowerfairy1950]

Thank you. I have started purchasing old roses. I am finding it difficult to source Rosa Gallica Officinalis here in Australia even though I have joined the Heritage Roses in Australia Society. I will preorder in October for next winter's bare-rooted roses. I have sourced Rosa Mundi 🙂 I like the roses the bees like usually single open petals.

[@kimberlyoboyle451]

These are my favorite! Belle De Crecy is my favorite that I own. It is actually my thumbnail rose!!! This video is a good balance of historical and practical information, I have wanted to do this and I may in June walking around the garden. Hoping Moss or Centifolia are next?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Tentatively: Albas next, China/Tea 2nd, then Centifolia/Moss 3rd

[@kimberlyoboyle451]

Ah, Well Belle De Crecy is somehow also listed as a China, but it is so cold hardy I just can't wrap my head around it being a China. Plus it just looks like a Gallica.

[@warp9p659]

I have Belle de Crecy in my garden. It is very beautiful each year.

[@lisbetsoda4874]

How interesting!

[@tarottime3219]

Thx love

[@carlobenedetti2407]

The charm of Gallica roses have never been equaled by any other rose goup that came after. Furthermore they do not get sick of rust and scab. 12:00 I have a Charles de Mills in my garden in zone 8b and the leaves never get black spot or mildew

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. I agree with the charm of the gallicas, but they do spot up in my area - so it'll probably vary a bit by climate.

[@kruczek4646]

I have got one Charles de Mills rose in my garden in Poland ( zone 6b) for 14 years. It is a big shrub (6 feet or more) and it's very healthy. Now (February) it has stil green leaves😉

[@johncornell7103]

Thank you

[@wisdomtree9911]

Hi Jason. What a great series on the Old Garden Roses! Here in the UK, I have 4 Charles de Mills roses, 3 years old. They have produced many healthy canes. I'm wondering, when pruning, should I leave all of these canes or is there an approximate number I should aim for?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Charles de Mills is unruly in the extreme - I've settled on keeping the rose within a set area: 3ft by 3ft. I'm sure you could maintain it larger or smaller, but you have to set a limit somewhere!

[@ian9185]

Hi Jason, I have just ordered a Gallica Officinalis from David Austin. Being of the old rose variety will it still be ok in a container or would I be better off putting it straight into the ground? Many thanks and keep up the great vids! Ian

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Ian - if you have quite a large container, that would be fine. Otherwise, the ground would be better. Either way, plant the graft at soil level or a bit high. Gallica officinalis can sucker quite freely if it roots above the graft union.

[@ian9185]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm that's great thanks Jason, il start it off In my 50litre container this year and maybe go to ground next spring!

[@alexandriawoodham614]

I grow my mildew prone roses in raised beds. Better air drainage or flow, and convenient to prune. With a layer of rotten firewood added before topping it with the soil, letting it all settle and planting the rose. Ideally a cover crop in the new raised bed to prevent the mudpie effect, and give soil life a jumpstart before the rose is finally planted. (Of course I live near Atlanta, so I don't have permafrost. The rotten firewood can cause problems, but as in fermented foods there is a balance. And the raised bed is rather high: three feet, landscaping blocks settling to two in a few years.)

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Alexandria for sharing your method!

[@anneallan4683]

Thank you. I am trying to identify a rose that has passed down our family for at least three generations. It is a dark pink, but I think the buds look different. It has long sepals almost twice as long as the bud inside them, and as the open, the centre of the bloom seems to stick up. Any idea if that would be a Gallicia rose?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Have a look at some images of 'Yolande d'Aragon' rose, which is a Portland (Gallica/Damask hybrid) with fairly long ornate sepals. 'Konigen von Danemark' is another with prominent sepals (likely and Alba/Damask hybrid). Those are the two that come to mind, but probably not the only two with this feature.

[@katyb2793]

This was absolutely fascinating. Thank you! A perhaps slightly odd question... do you know which rose varieties are best for eating and cooking with the petals? From my own research it seems rosa rugosa are good, but I'm wondering if you have any other suggestions, particularly because you are so knowledgeable about the older varieties. Thanks!

[@sivanagarajah913]

Just bought a Charles de Mills. Very excited to grow it this year. Any tips?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It likes to wander (sucker) so plant it in a spot where that can be managed and not to close to gentle neighbors.

[@sldulin]

Jason, you never addressed THE most important historical question of all- Which specific roses were the Red Rose of Lancaster and the White Rose of York?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Good call. I left it out of this video, but did cover it briefly in the "Alba" video (because, y'know, the Yorkists won!) and also in my "For Real or Fake" video.

[@sldulin]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Okay, I'll watch it. New to your channel...btw, I saw another comment that didn't appreciate the historical development and lore, but I feel just the opposite- I love it!

[@sldulin]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Oh, and you know, I've heard other people say the Yorkists won, and I really don't understand the claim. I mean, the last Yorkist, Richard III, was defeated and killed at the Battle of Bosworth Field by Henry Richmond, or Henry Tudor, right? And he was of Lancastrian descent, correct? And he marries one of the York girls and supposedly combines the two houses, so you could maybe, charitably, call it a draw. But I'd say the Yorkist's got their asses whupped.

[@Thunderbird68-i2f]

The beautiful french gallic hybrid ' Empress Josephine ' is very sumptuous. So is the damask in current commerce under the name of, 'Marie-Louise'.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Good recommendations

[@elaineaidley8047]

I'm wanting to establish some roses in the garden for apothecary/herbal/perfumery use. Can you please advise on varieties?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

From the video, the original apothecary rose (Rosa gallica officinalis or if you want the stripes, Rosa Mundi) for fragrance & rose water, the classic rose is Kazanlik. For rosehip tea, some use the dog rose (R. canina) or the sweet briar rose (R. eglanteria). For big fleshy hips, nothing compares with Rosa rugosa and its relatives. All rose petals are edible, and if used fresh, the nicer fragrance makes for the nicer flavor. I hope that helps.

[@EvolutionWendy]

do you offer complicata roses for sale? i I'm dying to have one. I visited your Amazon store and found some good products, this was an amazing video since I'm a history buff in the SCA tradition, it's great to hear about rosamundi and so forth

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. We do a lot of propagation for local sale, but it's more difficult to ship plants long distances or across international borders - so we're mainly selling on the farm.

[@EvolutionWendy]

thanks, it seems to be out of stock in the usa, it also seems to be quite invasive and perhaps I'm better off just scouting the neighborhood for a glimpse of of course if I find one in the neighborhood, you've given me the tools to replicate it!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

There are quite a few single-flowering species roses that may look similar to 'Complicata' and they may make excellent additions to the garden, but so far as I know Complicata itself isn't invasive in the slightest and I haven't heard of it growing in the wild.

[@borjaverdeyamarillo]

Yo tengo un rosal "igual" que la rosa del boticario pero de cinco pétalos y sin aroma. Me dió unos esquejes una señora mayor que me dijo que ese rosal lo plantó su madre de joven. Es bonito que a la belleza de la rosa le acompañen pequeñas historias. No sé de qué variedad es ese rosal, pero lo disfruto bastante.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

¡Me encanta cuando las rosas vienen con historias!

[@WhatNow858]

Thank you so much for your videos, they bring so much information! So helpful! I do have a question: I would love to open a shop to propagate and sell specialty roses, but some roses prohibit propagating. Do you have to apply for a permit?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Yes, I suppose that's an option. I don't know what kinds of agreements you would need to secure from the breeders/owners of the varieties, but usually they license propagation to larger growers. You could do what I've done: propagate your own for out-of-patent varieties, and buy in starter plants from larger propagators for the ones still under protection

[@nihatsavmaz6677]

04:10 German Christianity calls one of the Easter days “Rosenmontag” which can be translated as Monday of Roses Or Rosesmonday! 08.07.24

[@idkwhattoputherebuthi153]

What is your opinion on Lavender Crush Rose? Please give me your most honest opinion

[@Maffoo]

Don’t mind me, just browsing the internet for land to start my rose farm on ;)

[@Thunderbird68-i2f]

Just a note here on suckering gallicas; from experience, a grafted gallica will eventually throw runners above the graft (bud union) as roots from the grafted variety will eventually form above it, rejecting the species understock altogether. This will not happen with Hybrid teas, Grandifloras, Floribundas or any tender grafted varieties in areas with zone 3-4 climates because their roots wilk not survive cold climate winters.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks for your input Dee. Always appreciated

[@ronaldleerussell4489]

I hope you are able to help how do you get gallica roses to grow mine are grown in sandy soil and I'm thinking they don't like it they keep dying every year with not much growth

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I think you may be onto something - they seem to like my heavy soil just fine, but I wonder how well they'd establish in a sandy soil. I'd probably try growing them on in a large container or raised bed at first to get them growing vigorously. Once they start suckering they may have a better chance.

[@FireflyOnTheMoon]

Are there any properly red Gallicas at all?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

'James Mason' a modern hybrid with some pernetiana ancestry.

[@bethanyburdick]

I bought my home 3 years back and there is a rose garden. I think they are old garden roses. They’ve never bloomed and I was told to not Prune them. What should I do?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Bethany. Well they're not doing you much good if they never bloom! Usually I wait until after the blooming period to do any pruning on once-bloomers. For most old garden roses (OGRs) that's May/June in the northern hemisphere. I'd give them a dressing of fertilizer now and thin out some of the oldest stems in June: 1 out of 4 or something similar just to encourage from fresh basal growth. I'd also remove dead, diseased, damaged, crossing and spindly growth at the same time. With good conditions (sunny, adequate moisture, not too alkaline a soil) the pruning and feeding should spur on some healthy new growth to hopefully give you something to appreciate in 2023!

[@MattMurrah]

Any guesses as to the first roses grown in North America?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It would be an interesting topic to research. There were of course native roses, but I think we're more talking about cultivated garden roses. I saw one reference say that the first rose nursery in America was founded in 1844 - but individual colonists definitely brought old roses with them from the very beginning. Another commenter mentioned the Rose of Castile (thought to be some version of the ancient Damask), which is naturalized in Mexico and could have come with some the earliest of Spanish settlements. There was even significant rose breeding that took place in the American south around 1800 - look up John Champneys and the Noisette roses.

[@oldchild527]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I thought that Gallican was the mother of the Rosa de Castilla in México, I got one it has a lot of fragrance and the flowers are about 5 to 8 cm a height of like 1 meter and blooms just once a year. Lots of spikes too

[@agustasister5624]

In my younger years about 40 years ago when i lived on 10.acres that needs some flowers......i use to rustle roses...i had a success rate of probably about 30 percent. I really did nothing more than put them on a large baggy with about 3 leaves. RECENTLY I have tried like hell to rustle a few roses and my.success rate using rooting hormone...spraying them...has.been ZERO. is there a reason some of the non old abandoned farm roses are so much harder to rustle...or is it just my imagination...thr ones i have tried lately frOM MY 1920s house just will not take..they may be about 5 years old...i have no idea...but are not that.large.. I had a yellow.rose that totally covered my 2.story barn on one.side...pro ably because.the farm animals.had.been.corraled on that side since the great.depression....thats how .successful my cuttings use to be...when it was in bloom people would.drive down my.dirt road for pictures....thr yellow and then a.carpet of texas blue flowers....was breath taking... On.one.side in.front i used alliums as bubbles and white roses to mimic a rushing water stream..and any blue.flower i.could.get to.grow.....it too was fab....but i basically dug out the soil first...and added some barn.dirt. My best garden....

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Don't give up on rustling! I've had mixed results - and it can depend on the smallest details. Some roses are easier at a particular stage of growth, etc. Luck can definitely play a part.

[@mariastella6805]

Quindi le rose galliche sarebbero le progenitrici delle rose scure e porpora?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Le rose moderne hanno molti antenati. I gallici ora rappresentano solo una piccola parte della loro genetica (translation by Google. I can't write Italian!)

[@arminkarovic6981]

Did you know in my region we make sirup and sweets of those roses. I want to make farm..

[@cynthiadonahey9989]

there was a very large rose garden at Versailles tucked away. There were many rose gardens belonging to the French Catholic church. Some serfs grew certain ones as well. They never saw these roses in bloom until The French Revolution. They were discovered in the 1800s. Had all sorts of purposes, Thorns and canes were produced, Most gardens were destroyed during The French Revolution. Josephine was considered to have a lot of nerve, Britons bought these roses when they could. They put up signs. In the American South, the big rose gardens were discontinued. They were expensive to maintain. Southern plantation owners had bought French serfs and slaves. Black slaves had a lot of trouble with strange keloids. Certain Catholic womens groups studied this. They made salves during WW2.

[@cynthiadonahey9989]

Josephine started with a gone to hell garden.

[@cynthiadonahey9989]

there were mary red roses and mary blue flowers in some religious gardens with a sprinkling of white innocence. queen anne's lace, amni flowers like that. not your usual red white and blue.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks for the history Cynthia. I read somewhere that when even with all the trade blockades between Britain and France in Napoleon's time, there were special arrangements made so that Josephine could still buy roses from Britain for Malmaison.

[@cynthiadonahey9989]

Poland was divided into geographical regions by the Nazis. Areas were emptied to create private fiefdoms. In 1943 or 1944, shipments of bare root old roses were sent to various place with instructions where to plant. There were also instructions as to what roses to uproot. a lot of times town squares, historic plantings. This was so an educated German could cross Europe and know where he was merely by observing the roses in spring bloom and in some cases the leaves. A lot of times, cabbages had already been planted in the town squares. US soldiers ran across the files on this situation.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I'm at a loss - it's so hard to understand the kind of world they were planning

[@onemanfran]

I just bought a load of gallicas, albas and mosses and now I'm terrified because people seem to hate them because of suckering and disease. What have I done :(

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I take a balanced view of the old garden roses - I do love their many fine qualities, but I know they have flaws too. Suckering varies a lot by variety. I only have one or two roses that really give me any troubles staying in bounds, and many give me no trouble at all. Likewise, any susceptibility to disease will be based on cultivar and growing climate/position. I also have a *very* thick skin when it comes to what other people say about my roses. It's your garden, and presumably you've chosen these roses because they appeal to you. No point in worrying about it IMO until you've given them a try and see if they pass your measure for being garden-worthy. And keep in mind, of course, that you would have that same assessment to make whether they were old garden roses or modern hybrids - not every brand new rose from Weeks or David Austin is a keeper either.

[@FireflyOnTheMoon]

This is a great series to re-watch. Can scientists do genetic analysis to find out where the old roses have their parentage?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Yes, I've seen a few articles and books with DNA analysis of various roses. Interesting stuff.

[@nacht98]

I grow Charles de Mills for almost 20 years, and I never saw any disease on it!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Nice to hear. Mine does suffer from foliar disease, but this is a fairly moist climate. What's your area like?

[@nacht98]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm southern Europe with atlantic influence. It's in the dry side but lots of rain in spring. Central Portugal.

[@kevinjamesparr552]

The story of Jane Clifford is in most part true Henry did love her but Eleanor was older woman and objected so it is likely Queen Eleanor did kill her

[@cynthiadonahey9989]

Rose beads. You dry the petals ad boil in liquid, form and so forth. Dark red symbolizing The blood of the Christ was standard for rosaries. White flowers with a burgundy edging symbolized the blood of The Christ on a white shroud.

[@elsagrace3893]

Charles de Mildew 😂🤣😂🤣. Nothing that a little sulphur won’t cure, right? The flowering isn’t effected so that’s fine. I’d have a Gallica.