Old School Rigging: Poor Man's 3 to 1

[@edrose5038]

Nice to see somebody doing it old school I'm still rocking old school

[@Billster1955]

Your clear and concise instruction is very much appreciated. Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the trade.

[@robertlarsonwoodford]

Thanks for loading your channel with knowledge like this! Knots are hard to teach even with the advantage of video. This video puts the rigging directly into its context.

[@austenwiedrich4879]

I watched the video where you demonstrate how to tie this knot a couple weeks back. I used it just yesterday to get a stuck Kubota UTV out of a swamp. I was so excited to put this to use, and it worked beautifully! Thanks for the practical teaching and info.

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

That is awesome! Cheers brother... - Patrick

[@AnomadAlaska]

Thank you for teaching us the poor man's 3 to 1. I learn a lot from your videos.

[@zacandmillie]

Many years ago I worked as a steel erector rigger and we used this method to pull roof beams in to line when bolting them up on precast concrete slab walls for factories or warehouses.

[@ericklaiber9168]

I use a shackle in my traditional trucker’s hitch and one at the tree as a poor-man’s pulley system. I’ve done as much as a 5-1 system but lose a lot with rope friction. I work by myself and pulling against the lean can be tough!

[@samuellancaster3789]

thanks guys I really enjoyed that video please make another one

[@RollingEasy]

Another approach is to take an old large link chain and to cut up a good handful of 'C' links to keep in your tool box and rigging bucket. EXTREMELY handy..... Also there is the 'Truckers knot' which I must have invented because I've never seen it anywhere. Its exactly the same as any and every version anyone would describe as that knot but the only difference is that with one simple loop added, it holds the tension with absolutely no need to tie off the tail. The rope is pulled, the tail is let go... the tension remains.

[@johnsullivan6560]

Nice knot work. Well shown and well explained. Thanks.

[@spelunkerd]

It just goes to show, if one keeps his mind open to new ideas, you'll learn things long after you thought you knew it all. The way this dissolves when the knot comes undone is so much easier than having to untie an alpine butterfly or figure 8. My first though was you need an open bollard to slide the loop over, but not necessarily. One could thread that last loop through by hand while maintaining tension.

[@bwrightaway2877]

My "ground man"... assistant... all around felling helper is my 5'4" 120lb wife so we're big fans of mechanical help. I watched your video on the 5 to 1 pulley setup and bought something similar. It helps a ton especially with a prussik to keep from losing progress.

[@dragan3290]

Hi in Australia Google hitchmaster. I highly recommend it. I got one yesterday brand new unpacked at a second hand store for 8.50 dollars. I watched a KZbin video on using it and he was towing a holden Ute. About 1400 kg plus using the hitchmaster. It can be used as a 16:1 setup but no pulleys.it has won awards in the Geneva convention for best invention. There is a guy on KZbin selling for 20 AUD.

[@nicod1886]

I find your channel to be the best on KZbin for educational purposes (but that’s not the only reason). I appreciate how clear, concise and efficient you are. Couple that with the added subtitles or voice overs = 👍👍. I also noticed that redwings hat in previous videos lol 😎 🏒 . Born and raised down river but I’m living in the AA area now. Appreciate the content man.

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Wow, thank you... really appreciate it brother! - Patrick

[@deanstackhouse8775]

Oops, while handling the phone my like got charged to disliked. I got it changed back again and shared to myself for a full viewing when t am rested, probably several times to understand and have rope in hand. Thanks very much. You're very good at teaching with this stuff. Blessings to you

[@haukefrahmann7849]

just stumbled over your video ... I know different variants of a "poor man's 3 to 1" ... this one is just great!!!

[@gabriellamm2776]

I work for a line clearance company on a climbing truck and we use this multiple times a day most often. I use a pulley on the anchor and use a bowlin on a bight fro another pulley

[@angryjay06]

Asplundh guy???

[@thienthaitran]

Thanks for sharing. One of the easiest way to tie this knot

[@reggienone966]

That is the oddest method of the trucker's hitch I have ever seen! I know three other ways of doing it, but I never use the 3rd one. I'll have to try yours just to see if it is useful for me.

[@ianbrown_777]

2:50. The extra friction can be a huge advantage over using pulleys on occasions. Trying to haul in large loads and then tie it off by yourself can be impossible using pulleys in some scenarios. The friction of rope 'pulleys' holds the tension each time you heave some more rope through with a surge of power. Nice to see that aspect recognised for once.

[@karlwittig5966]

I've been climbing for 23 years and I never seem to get bored of it Especially big ones over the house I love my line of work is so much fun

[@shoobaloobabobdingalingadong]

Everyday is a different puzzle!

[@firedtradesman]

Another excellent demonstration. Thank you sir.

[@idadho]

You can double the pulley system by adding a second loop after the first twisted loop. It adds the advantage of the rope not needing to slide through the anchor point. Pull the line to the anchor through the loop with the twists. Put the pull line through that loop. You can do this multiple times to increase advantage. I could lash loads (my canoe on my mom's station wagon) down securely as a little 3rd grader after learning this multiloop hitch.

[@pb6839]

It would work, but I wouldn’t want to try it with a tree and all the friction.

[@idadho]

@@pb6839 It would work far better that looping through the anchor point friction device. I'd do it any day, anywhere. The rope frictions is not a concern.

[@pb6839]

@@idadho it’s hard to imagine exactly what you mean but the way I’ve doubled up puts a lot of tension on the one part of the loop, and doubling it up puts significantly more tension between the ropes. I would have to pull really slowly to avoid melting synthetic line. I also would feed back through the anchor before putting the line through.

[@idadho]

@@pb6839 A double loop system stops any need to pull through the anchor point. This allows the anchor point to be fixed such as wrapping around a car bumper (60's Plymouth) without damaging the rope by sliding over the steel edge. All of the pull action is in the two or more loops. The friction is from slow movement so there is no heating of the rope. The loop/bight at 1:10 can be repeated multiple times to increase pulley advantage. I would never do a single loop/bight like shown. A second loop creates a rig with no need to pull through the anchor. With a double loop, the friction point is constantly changing, even the bight/loop end. I've been using this multiple pulley trucker's knot since 1963 when I was 8 years old. My brother and I would lash the canoe to my mom's station wagon so she could drive up to the pond. That rope lasted many decades of being tied this way. It works on hemp/sisal/jute natural fiber rope as well as synthetic rope. I need to set up a rig to show this and film it for KZbin.

[@pb6839]

@@idadho I think I understand what you mean now, I always wrapped around the anchor again a second time before going through the second loop, so my way puts pulling friction on the anchor as well. Im going to try it your way after I eat something

[@michaeldetweiler9997]

Thanks for another good knot tip. Was cutting a 30" silver maple once and all the sudden it was an ant/water fest spraying out the cut. Got soaked.

[@Bcc0rg]

Nice to see it still used ( I was taught it as 3x3 turns many years ago), here in England the younger 'ratchet strap' generation have no idea how to do it!... for tension work clip a bina and micro pulley on the bite, you lose the self-locking but gain a lot more leverage. Keep up the great work Patrick.

[@samuelluria4744]

I don'teven OWN a single ratchet strap.

[@sewallhickman8264]

Good for yall. . . But it's the 20th century so it's time to upgrade and put down the ole Nokia phone and pager. Get some new shit. Pulleys porta wrap snatch blocks and the rest of the works. 2020 y'all. Cars are driving them self's now

[@samuelluria4744]

@@sewallhickman8264 - Haha, it's the 21st century. I guarantee you I have more blocks, pulleys,and Porta-Wraps than you, Haha. Peace, have a great weekend!

[@sewallhickman8264]

@@samuelluria4744 good ole fashioned pissed lol. I love it

[@samuelluria4744]

@@sewallhickman8264 - I'm so happy right now, it's hard to imagine

[@petershea3131]

Way to go Pat! I love that laxer beam you use lol

[@curbsidesalvage8137]

Off topic but, I’m really curious about that barn roof....

[@samuelluria4744]

Canadian version of a Quonset hut(?)🤔

[@THEBOSS-vn2ky]

Maybe it retracts. 😜😲😎 that would be nice.

[@TheDcolton]

I always called that knot a full sheep shank knot. I use a half sheep shank know to tie down hay loads. Never fails.

[@YankeeinSC1]

If you're not entirely poor, a long 10 or 12 foot sheepshank with carabiners at each end works smoothly. It wears you bull line less, eliminating, well minimizing that rope on rope friction.

[@eliseosierra2911]

You do some really good work man .!

[@ryanslandandtreesvc454]

Your groundsman is a beat, no shake on the tree when riggin!

[@you2tooyou2too]

re 1:00 If there is going to be a heavy loading strain, or a long travel in taking out the slack, you are less likely to cut thru the rope if you use a biner rather than pushing the bite thru the twisted loop. re 11:15 No need to start over, just move the knot a few feet toward the anchor, or extend the 'porte' from the anchor a few feet.

[@darioponziani8557]

That's a secret weapon, thanks for sharing!🔝💯

[@Ross_Dugan]

Good info, look forward to some more podcasts. Are any in the works? Thanks!!

[@pahlavandan3989]

Excellent video and use of truckers knot. What if there is no porta wrap to hand?

[@raymondsanchez808]

How does this differ, compare or collaborate with a "Truckers hitch"? Less friction? Different mechanical advantage? Stronger pull? Would love some input. Generally curious. Thank you :)

[@davidwarren719]

Hell of a video, Patrick! I’m not sure which I dislike more: pines or cottonwoods...

[@BANGNETT_1n9]

Is this knot work for hard rope??? Like plastik rope not hiking rope. Cause rope that u using very expencise at my place. I'm from Malaysia👍

[@neild7971]

I think it would work

[@Loonytunes1961]

I always used a method of tying the rope very similar to wat u have shown here. i simply called it a 'com-a-long'

[@opietaylor5778]

The wait til end to see how it’s untied was a good one

[@douggibson9084]

Great information video 👍, thanks Patrick.

[@Texmex49090]

Thanks for the info about old school but I would like to know which will be another way that not be old school way!! 😃😃 thank you again

[@wcb22516]

Lol on the i thought this was the long rope..... How long was that rope? What kind was that working rope.....

[@joshpomponio2993]

Like that setup thanks for showing that

[@batmantiss]

Does it count as an outtake...if it makes it to the original video?

[@samuelluria4744]

Patrick. ....as someone who was in the U.S. Navy, and had a Father and many uncles in the Navy, and many sheepherders/linesman/foresters/ riggers, I have to say, that I love rope. But I have a love/hate relationship with knots...so your proficiency with the English Trucker's Hitch has my respect... (I'm personally sick of knots.... partially because I have a lot of guilt about not remembering most of the knots my Father taught me as a child.... )

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

I really appreciate that brother..... I wish I had more time to learn from my father as well.... peace to you ✌️ - Patrick

[@samuelluria4744]

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM - Wow. I hear you. I think that if we keep plugging away, we can do them justice

[@kurtwieters1261]

What attachment do you have on the back of your tractor? Also, you mention at the end of the video that tree (cottonwood?) has a split, is that why you have the orange strap tied around the trunk? Thanks.

[@frazzle657]

Is an alpine butterfly not a better alternative to the truckers hitch. Sometimes my truckers hitch seems to slip

[@claytonclark6320]

Great video, instructions were clear. Two things: Could you have wedged the tree over? Second, it seems that you were really dogging that 572. I know the water played into it, but why not back off the chain a bit and let it eat. I was going to get a 572 but this has given me pause on the purchase.

[@Velcrostraps91]

That knot seems a bit complicated. I personally just go with an alpine butterfly with micro pulley or carabiner.

[@MOTOMINING]

Hi, I'm curious about the wedge. In cutblocks where I'm from (BC) the wedge is usually angled down. Why does yours go up? It does make a nice flat stump though!

[@davros517]

The English truckers knot is known as " The Dolly Knot " here in England

[@nomad57-u3x]

what rope are you using to pull with

[@garyjohnson4657]

It's a 2to1 advantage! You are using two ropes to put tension on one rope, two to one. The way you are tying the hitch is more complex that it needs to be. Take the rope from the tree and loop it around your anchor. Now take the rope to the point you will pull from, now put the rope across your wrist. Reach forward an grab the first line(the rope between tree and anchor) pull slack and make a loop. Cross the first line an put a half hitch in it. If you wz t to make sure it dosen't slip pull the loop higher up and tie another half hitch.

[@Hidden_Destinations]

You are correct! This is a 2:1 MA! Not 3:1!

[@Flowtester1]

A climber taught me this knot like 15 years ago. I know it works because I had three guys one time trying to pull a peg over for me and they couldn’t. So I tied this and one guy pulled it over after that.

[@samuelluria4744]

Where are you?

[@jbcardin]

Is that a hydraulic brush grappel on the front of that tractor? I have a 3032E and it would be a major operation to put a brush grappel on it. They're trying to talk me in to an electric grappel. Not sure about that yet. Our bigger tractors have hydraulic brush grappels and it makes life so much better. Nice vid. Thanks!

[@zchuss1]

We call it a dolly in UK and a double obviously is a double dolly knot. I start mine by going under the rope not on top.

[@oneministries4878]

Cool, thanks for the video

[@J-unit84]

I was going to say that saw is a beast especially with a 28 inch bar but it sucks when the wood is wet. Good job tho

[@tdillpickleh4684]

You used a 572 for that cut? My goodness I wouldve preferred a 395 with a bigger bar. Nice 3:1 though man. I've never seen it like that.

[@Josh.Straughn]

Good stuff mugs!

[@leilanitaft490]

My feinca uses a double station nary bowline and he calls it a rope along

[@Bnscholet911]

Great video, that backstrap cut was a little low😅😅

[@assisevero]

Show man! If you put a single pulley at the strop you'll gain a lot of power with less energy! Stay safe!

[@murphy4trees]

good demo, but there is no way you needed 3:1 with the machine pulling.... and round bar on the bucket would have been easier to tie. No need to fool around with those wedges. I haven't used the 3:1 MA rope system much in the last 15 years, but it used to be a daily driver! It's like riding a bike...

[@TheSateef]

why is the backcut below the notch?

[@Pestifer138]

Isnt it actually an 2:1 advantage🤔?

[@eugenevasseur1040]

looks like a perfectly healthy, vv old oak tree. why was it cut down?

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

it was an overgrown, lightning-struck Cottonwood, whose time had come 👍 - Patrick

[@robclark204]

Was this on Vanneck, near Kilworth?

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Yessir, it was!

[@robclark204]

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM right on, I was wondering who did that one. Hello from Legg work tree service btw!

[@mvblitzyo]

Excellent

[@Diesel1999]

bowline on a bite works well in same situation

[@Venom-nk8nd]

It looks to me like a 2 to 1 mechanical advantage Don't know where you got that additional advantage that makes it 3 to one

[@samuelluria4744]

I seriously love this video. (But 5 knuckleheads gave a thumbs down?!?)

[@orangeshaw2370]

One of those "knuckleheads" would prefer you to use a thimble ("poor man's" or a XRR rigging ring "if I were a rich man") where the pulling rope rubs against the truckers' hitch.

[@samuelluria4744]

@@orangeshaw2370 - Listen, there is literally nobody who preaches about the avoidance of textile-on-textile friction in all different rigging scenarios, more than I do. I'm pretty sure that it goes without saying, that this video was about something that you can do in a pinch.

[@sewallhickman8264]

The knuckleheads probably have a better solution for this problem. If you're such a poor man what takes ya cutting trees? Stop smoking crack and get some real equipment yall

[@orangeshaw2370]

When climbing you might want to limit quantity &/or the weight of equipment used. But if you have a tractor at hand then there is nothing wrong with planning to have a few miscellaneous spares handy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmHQgHStfblpfdE &t 03-22 & 06-32

[@samuelluria4744]

@@sewallhickman8264 - Are you being cynical again?😌 Tisk, Tisk. One thing I have observed over the last three decades, is that the most accomplished tree guys have an understanding of the fact that "you never know" what might have found the other person in the place they are in. I will give you an example: Many years ago, I had to have a dump truck left in the repair shop overnight. I was asked to not have any fuel cans left in the truck while it was in the shop, so I removed them from the truck for the night. When I picked up the truck, therefore, it had no extra fuel for my saw meanwhile. As I was leaving the mechanic, which was about 35 minutes from my woodyard, I got an emergency call from a client who happened to be located near the mechanic, and on my way back....so I went to investigate. About a block away was a crew from another company - a much bigger, regional company - that had no reason to see my small business as a threat to theirs. I figured I would approach them, and ask for just enough fuel to put one tank's worth in my saw. One guy was perfectly fine with doing my e the favor, but his foreman came over, and - being the presumptuous type of prick that thinks being cynical makes you seem more professional - told me off, like a condescending ignorant punk - the type that didn't _build_ his company, but _acts_ like he had a damn thing to do with it (what a joke, right?? I know). He said," How do you _call_ _yourself_ and arborist, when you don't even carry fuel for your own saw?!?!?" Well, obviously, he didn't learn the lesson in life/business, that sometimes there might be some reason for something, which _you_ in your infinite wisdom, had not accounted for. Shit happens.

[@tommackenzie939]

Helluva job

[@branchingdowntotheroots7505]

There you go

[@Ryanosaurr]

Slipped bowline? What a Chad.

[@jtr109]

Is there an advantage to the English style over using the slip knot truckers hitch?

[@curbsidesalvage8137]

Untying

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Yeah, I just like how it unties after a crazy pull. The alpine butterfly trucker's is also a great choice...

[@jtr109]

I messed around with it a bit on the back porch. Pretty slick knot. I’ll give it a whirl. Thanks Patrick.

[@tedbownas2748]

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM I like the alpine butterfly for the loop, too. I usually just clip a micro pulley into it with a carabiner. Less friction, and I usually have extra micros around.

[@orangeshaw2370]

A "Bowline on a bight" (clip in a shackle) is also a "poor man's" option.

[@jjalandoon]

great vid, though i felt dizzy with your head/body cam

[@Magicman9756]

That 572 was having a bad day 🪓🌲

[@brianquigley7336]

Got a tractor? Don't need a purchase. Looks like it could be hand pulled. I use an Ingersoll Rand come along.

[@stacybrittain9448]

your camera work is making me seasick...would you hold it more still please?

[@Imageloading...]

Isn't that 2:1?

[@garywatson9519]

Yes it is a 2:1 system.

[@Hidden_Destinations]

Yes it is! 2:1!!!!!

[@ianbrown_777]

Like I said, it's 3:1. Just ignore those other comments.

[@stephenrosenthal5252]

Why not just Z rig with 1 diy prusik and 1 carabiner as your pulley. Add another prusik if you need another progress capture. But you don't because you have a tractor to put in park to hold tension. I mean your system's not bad but you made way more knots than you even needed

[@dan6688btinternet]

why not just do a slip knot and run the 3 to 1 through that. dosnt it come un done easier too?

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Yeah, lots of ways to do a simple trucker's.... slip knot, alpine butterfly, etc... any midline loop knot will work... I just prefer this one :) - Patrick

[@trollmcclure1884]

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM I like your version. The official version on animatedknots.com is kinda hard to remember. I'd use a carabiner with it tho. You have nice friction on the device at the end and a biner is not as slippery as a pulley

[@coreyschaffer6582]

i like to use a bowline on a bite. we call it a come-a-long knot instead of poor mans 3n1 lol

[@deezplace]

cool... although I would not have pulled in line with the truckers hitch - whilst you were getting some leverage from that, you get quite a lot by pulling at a steeper angle to the main line... if you know that load on the end points is greatly increased when applying force at an angle approaching 90 deg. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmG2gWtriJagarM When I have only human power available I tie between the two points, anchor and the item I wish to move toward the anchor, and then just pull/lean -by hand- at 90 degrees from that line.

[@tomprovan50]

nice

[@123camuchi]

It’s not really the truckers hitch. Truckers hitch should only take 2seconds to make. If you run the rope twice through the bite. It will create friction and you will not loose tension. Also, it would be best to turn off the chainsaw when changing to use another tool. Safety.

[@pyroninja90]

It's an autolock truckers hitch going through the loop twice is what locks it

[@markpeterson9808]

wizardry, i dont think my brain can ever do knots

[@alecmclean9178]

Did you say ew as you walked up to the stump LMFAO I've seen some nasty pine oozes

[@samuelluria4744]

I was up a Pine last week, that had that light-pink, kinda "salmon-ey" type of colored ooze.....but like EVERYWHERE....and BIG globs! As much as I love the scent, I hate gumming up my lines and my gear😖😖😖....I mean, some of these globs were like double handfuls of sap, 😖😖😖😖😖

[@Daniel_4.27]

3:1 seemed a little over kill having 2 groundees and using wedges think you could've gotten away with one of them to use wedges and 2 guys on a rope it was going your way regaurdless

[@samsien9105]

Save the rope use pullies.

[@bayzidbostami4875]

Hi sar

[@davereade4017]

I do 3 turns

[@gilbarron3156]

Open face first on then. Pulling later is my opinion.

[@sparrow082]

Here is a friction keeper version of that same knot. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3ubfqiFjLRjh9U

[@jeffschroeder9089]

👌

[@김충환-b8x]

고생했네 건강하고

[@coker23cola]

You need to realize there is a camera on your head

[@11ccom]

ok

[@frankschwartz7405]

>> the "English" Trucker's Hitch

[@多々良-w7e]

南京だね。トラックロープの結び方だ。

[@countryboycharlie9793]

This is not old school, we didn’t have a John Deere tractor that’s a lot of money and the price of a chainsaw, and saw is dull, sorry