Old Shuai Jiao techniques were DEVASTATING

[@carloseffio8754]

I had the opportunity to train Shuai Jiao. They have a lot of scary stuff. Great video Master!

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

I am still trying to find the scary stuff lmao

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

@@Donky_Kongs_Baby there’s one where they grab you by the pubic hair and do a lift up

[@HappyCommando92494]

@@Donky_Kongs_Baby Fight someone who knows it and you'll find out real quick - lmao.

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

@Happy Commando I am the guy who knows it lol did you ever think that I might have trained it smh.

[@HappyCommando92494]

@@Donky_Kongs_Baby Nope, because you claim you're still trying to find the "scary stuff" lol

[@aaronb8753]

My Grandpa (Chinese ) taught me traditional Shuai Jiao and told me to practice it when I do judo, only problem is judo isn’t the same now 😂 oh well good cross training lol.

[@SifuSael007]

High diff

[@KingJancelot]

How high of rank did you get?

[@donworland]

Dante Basili Channel has AMAZING shuai jiao footage and training stuff. His style had that and san Soo, or san da, their kickboxing. Old style shuai jiao, you might like him, very affable man.

[@pilota86]

Similar to Judo, joint lock technique are no longer allowed in the recent Shuai Jiao international rules. Simply not suitable for modern competition where you have multiple matches a day, and liability insurance.😂 In our club we try to respect the tradition and tech them as part of the curriculum. There are some specific and explicit exceptions around join locks to fight for grip control but not part of a throw. Also some allow pressure on joints as long as a soft contact to the join is already made and pressure is add, never impact straight up.

[@MarioUcomics]

Thank you for giving this kung fu style more exposure

[@AjaychinuShah]

NO - Mario has feelings.

[@OLOHEKAI]

Excellent! Was just discussing this with a friend who is a prominent competitor yesterday, how the integration of techniques is a natural conduit for people in Judo, Jiujitsu, Sambo, Hapkido, etc because even if you don’t formally cross train, you have to be prepared for what your opponent might do to you.

[@aagreenidge]

I wonder why they don't update Shiao Jiao. It's so good and coupled with Mongolian wrestling it's amazing

[@thecollector6746]

....if they "updated" Shiao Jiao it would basically be shitty Judo(Modern Shuai Jiao is basically bad Judo and Mongolian Bohk....so I don't know what coupling it with Mongolian Wrestling is supposed to do)

[@jassimarsingh6505]

@@thecollector6746 facts old shuai Jiao old the way

[@cyborgchicken3502]

​@@thecollector6746 judo is awesome, but I know what you mean, it used to go hand in hand with jujitsu and if I'm not mistaken it used to be the same martial art but then Jigoro Kano wanted it to be included in the Olympics and modern Olympics rules have basically removed much of the ground grappling and locking from judo.... Which sucks! The Olympics really just ruins martial arts in general, even karate has been cursed by it

[@LordFarquaad35]

@@cyborgchicken3502yep. Look at what happened to taekwondo.

[@dailymeditateandchill3262]

Actually there is a Shuai Jiao organization out of Taiwan under Chang Dong Shen linage that is working on just that. Their new president David Ross is working to update it. Part of that is including ground wrestling

[@AztecUnshaven]

Many Northern Kungfu styles have a lot of Shuai Jiao blended in (Northern Preying Mantis, Chen Taiji, Pigua, Long Fist, Mi Zong Quan, etc.) The old saying in Kungfu was "Shuai, Ti, Da, Na" (throw, strike, kick, joint lock).

[@lps8966]

Indeed , especially long fist, ba qua and tai ji

[@B-qg1jb]

@@lps8966 I think it's because it gets closer to Tatar as it goes north.

[@lps8966]

@@B-qg1jb wrestling is a universal sport, only the nomads make it such a big deal

[@B-qg1jb]

​@@lps8966Just in asia, I think there is a difference between north and south. Cavalry saber of Northern KungFu is rarely used in the south. South Caina and Thailand prefer short double swords. In the north Kungfu, there is less training to hit rocks or trees like karate. I didn't learn it, but I feel like the north has more wrestling and Moulinet skills.

[@hanu9830]

would love to see a video on "leitai", the brutal chinese competitive format that was outlawed in china over a century ago

[@avakinzerochill]

I have worked with some shuai chiao guys. Love the art.💯💯

[@ramqi6239]

I never understood Kung Fu movement until i practice shuai jiao

[@BradYaeger]

Commenting before finishing video because have to leave soon so sorry if you mention this , but one thing about Shuai Jiao throws is when done correct they drive the opponent straight DOWN instead of circular for maximum impact with the ground . They would practice on sand pits instead of mats to avoid injury . As grapplers we forget how untrained people are so poorly prepared to fall. For self defense a good throw or take down can be the end of the encounter

[@fredazcrate4362]

Chadi thank you for sharing another great video lecture on Old Chinese Wrestling. I await your next video .

[@cpcreit]

Chadi, this video is priceless....Mongolians and NE Manchurians were always big into wrestling WAY BACK hundreds of yrs ago. Nomadic tribes has to have low center of gravity and plenty of lower bodily strength to ride the horses into combat for months. I love the headlock escape at 6:02, so simple, yet so elegant in its effectiveness...

[@stefanschleps8758]

Excellent Chadi. Thank you. If you find any Shaolin styles that emphasize wrestling please consider educating us. Inside the form every Shaolin style has hidden techniques inside the flowery names, not just punching, kicking, and striking techniques, but throws and locks! All the best. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association P.S. Can we have another look at similarities in Sumo?

[@jmamvs544]

In shaolin Is More striker with any grappling But in wudang kung-fu are More grappling ^^

[@AjaychinuShah]

Aaahhh, looked TKK to me more so, yet less so Kung fu.

[@lps8966]

Usually the long fist / long fist system has a lot more shuai jiao techniques in it, or ba qua , ba ji, and some southern styles

[@AjaychinuShah]

@@jmamvs544 Okkk to summarize for you idiots quite simpler. IF KUNG FU looks so extremely ADVANCED, it does not mean its low and inferior. Just absolutely different REALIZATION ,,,,,,,,,

[@grandwonder5858]

I love that part towards the end of the video (At 7:53) the guy simply tosses his shirt onto his body for a super quick way to put on a shirt! Also, you can see where Judo comes from by watching these old videos of Chinese wrestling, which dates back up to three thousand years!

[@giuseppienad2632]

Nope. Shuai Jiao is not 3000 years old. It's a reorgoanize version of the Mongol-Manchu wrestling of the Shan Pu Ying.

[@jimlasswell4491]

Your curiosity is infectious. Kudos. By the way the kata guruma outside the leg is nothing new; it was in fact the best way to make it work in the 1960's.

[@AlienPsyTing1]

Great video as usual, this now in my top three channels, Chadi is so good at finding really interesting fascinating stuff, little request it would be great if you could do something on Hakko Ryu and Juko-Kai styles if poss

[@DanteBasili]

Bel video 🙏🏽 awesome thank you

[@jadenng7569]

I was training some Shuaijiao with an older friend of mine last week and I asked him about the illegal techniques I saw online. He replied that anything involving joint locks or dropping your body onto a vulnerable area would be a violation of the rules today. He clarified that in the Qing dynasty, when the Mongolian Bokh wrestlers came to compete with the imperial Shuaijiao wrestlers, the Mongolians initially had the advantage because of their size and more relaxed techniques. To counter this, the imperial wrestlers started using more of the illegal techniques to even the odds. My friend demonstrated a particularly nasty method employed by these wrestlers - immediately after a throw, the wrestlers would drop their body weight and purposefully stumble as if they lost balance, and in doing so would forcefully stomp down on the opponent’s exposed skull. Keep in mind that their shoes were heavy, reinforced and had leather soles underneath. Such techniques were eventually deemed illegal since Shuaijiao was being promoted as a sport and not a lethal martial art later on.

[@sergiobacellar5570]

Great ! Fantastic research work! Chadi thank you .👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁

[@luigicannizzo2669]

hi chadi, the style/technique used in this vdc reminds me (in some ways) of the fight I practiced in the steppe in ancient Mongolia.. maybe I'm wrong, some movements remind me of it.. as always dear chadi, congratulations for this splendid way of contributing to spreading the culture of judo and beyond.. with these exquisitely crafted "docufilms".. I greet you, take care, a hug & see you next time... 🙂🙃😉/✨🏮🎍🥋🇯🇵📿🎏🏮✨/👍✌🏿👌🏻👋🏽

[@freeman8000]

Shuai Jiao was developed in the ancient days of Chinese warring states. It was originally meant for armed soldiers on the battlefield who came into close contact with each other and could no longer use their weapons... The idea is to have methods of throwing your opponent down so you can finish them with a killing blow from your weapon. The key to this (and the main difference from judo) is to execute the technique without ever following your opponent to the ground... If you're on the ground with your opponent on a battlefield and you cannot separate, you're basically dead.

[@gordonames1892]

JUDO MEANS THE GENTLE ART!! STRIPPED DOWN VERSION OF JUJITSU.

[@giuseppienad2632]

Nope. It didn't exist in the Warring States era. Shuai Jiao is just Mongol-Manchu reorganized and rebranded as a 3000 year old style. Trace back Shuai Jiao's history up to the Shan Pu Ying and it will lead you to either to Manchuruan or Mongolian wrestling. The whole 3000 year old myth doesn't make any sense.

[@Ken-ix7cn]

Muchas gracias por tan interesante vídeo. He practicado Wu Shu, pero no sabía de este efectivo sistema. Thank´s so much for this video. I´ve practiced Wu Shu but I Haven´t known about this effective sistem of Wu shu. Saludos desde Mexico.

[@twistntwirl]

That hand on knee to block then ude garame grip to trip is *chef's kiss*

[@pablovidela2628]

En mi humilde opinion ....el judo es la absoluta exelencia

[@tarcisiocantarino5508]

Shuai jiao e uma das lutas agarradas mais antigas do mundo esta precente nos primordios da historia da china

[@rye-bread5236]

6:30 probably the coolest part of the video. I've never seen that defense to a headlock. I need to pressure test it.

[@mkoppguidingforcema]

Awesome content here!

[@andrewblack7852]

My teacher was a shuia jiao champion and teacher in his younger days. He dropped it all when he met Wang Xiang zhai. Wang could beat him every time with one movement. But the foundation of Chinese wrestling comes out in the ability and flavor of movements in my teachers Kung fu. We all studied judo, ju jitsu and shuai jiao and western wrestling. I think every young male child should have it in school.

[@rostombouchlaghem9819]

Always you are awesome

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

The coolest throw is a one-armed standing Ude-garami... used as an Ippon-seoi-nage. Seen in Old-school JJJ 😄

[@guidocane]

Training in sanda, you'll taste a bit of shuai jiao

[@jasonpoilovs4903]

Super cool, thanks 🙏

[@brandonhunter3036]

My recollection of Shuai Jaio was people often being dumped on their head. Not sure if that’s still a thing

[@IvanBrankov-nq7dz]

Mu Shin Martial Culture has some great videos about the history of shuai jiao.

[@dustinlerch9272]

And I’m positive a couple of Roman soldiers were actually the first to use the Americana. And a couple bronze aged dudes thought something else up first before them.

[@adim00lah]

Making it where you can't grab the leg was a huge down fall for judo. It essentially has no take down defense.

[@someman7]

I care more for people's safety than a "good show"

[@TheGrmany69]

You should learn the nomenclature of taijiquan because it's mostly all you seen in shai jiao.

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

No one cares nerd

[@yesbutactuallyno8305]

Beautiful!

[@Caliell]

Shuai Jiao is blanket term for grappling or grappling centered martial arts. It is like Kung Fu being blanket term for stand up centered martial arts.

[@tarcisiocantarino5508]

Lutas agarradas existe aos montes pricipalmente lutas mais nativas o propio sumo e do comeco da historia do japao foi bace para o jujutsu que era chamada de yawara

[@stuffguru]

That key-lock (ude garami) on the legs is gonna have to be tried next time in the gym!

[@onaldoper]

MUITAS TÉCNICAS OU PRINCÍPIOS APLICÁVEIS NA HORA DA COMPETIÇÃO FORAM PROIBIDOS PREZANDO MAIS A INTEGRIDADE FÍSICA DOS PARTICIPANTES,MAS MUITAS OUTRAS COMO AS MAIS VARIADAS CATADAS DE PERNAS FORAM RETIRADAS PARA FACILITAR MAIS PARA OS PARTICIPANTES MENORES EM ESTATURA OU MESMO PARA OS JAPONÊS E SEUS BIÓTIPO E MEIOS COSTUMEIROS DE COMPETIR. DEPOIS QUE OS EUROPEUS COMEÇARAM A GANHAR AS COMPETIÇÕES USANDO MUITO AS CATADAS DE PERNAS BASTANTE COMUM DO WRESTLING,SAMBO E LUTA-LIVRE;OS COMANDOS DA FEDERAÇÃO (de maioria japonês) DE JUDO PROIBIRAM; ENTÃO OS JAPONESES RETORNARAM A GANHAR AS COMPETIÇÕES. KATAGORUMA É UM DOS GOLPES MAIS BONITOS QUE JÁ VIR NAS COMPETIÇÕES MESMO QUANDO ERA MAIS LEIGO QUE SOU AGORA☻🥋🤣😂🤣😛😋😉😅😁👊🏿👍🏿🇧🇷👏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿SALVADOR-BA-BRASIL

[@tarcisiocantarino5508]

En okinawa tinha o tegume que virou esporte e faz parte do karate tradicional que ten quedas tambem

[@ras2543]

I see strains of bagua zhang movements in shuai jiao and judo

[@shawn6669]

You have it backwards. Shuai Jiao is much, much older. Baguazhang is a training methodology that Dong Hai Chuan taught, mixing Taoist circle walking with basically whatever martial art the person he was teaching had already mastered. Of the two main branches of Bagua the most popular one around the world is descended from Cheng Ting Hua who was a Shuai Jiao practitioner...so not Bagua in Shuai Jiao. Shuai Jiao in Bagua, rather. Here's an example of my teachers, teacher demonstrating a Bagua throw: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHmVmGiQhMyle9E

[@ras2543]

No, you have it backwards

[@shawn6669]

@@ras2543 keep telling yourself what gets you through the day, man.

[@neocloudmarts9613]

Is the technique of Mark Huizinga still legal in Judo?

[@roden2208]

It was a nice case of kata guruma. I did it in this way - without leg grabbing/

[@quanfa88]

1993 was the “old days?” 🤣😂🤣

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

8:30 that figure four on the legs to escape a head lock is amazing.

[@kreeba5220]

Which is older: Shuai Jiao or Judo? Can't find much difference between the two. Whichever is older influenced the other.

[@joshuakusuma5953]

Probably Shuai Jiao. Wrestling in China's been around for centuries.

[@eagle162]

Judo, modern shuai jiao is much younger than people think and the differences between the 2 is pretty obvious when you start looking.

[@SoldierDrew]

The chinese communist revolution led by Mao Tsetung destroyed so much Chinese cultural arts and unarmed combative arts to make way for the new communist order. They murdered all scholars, educators, teachers, historians, artists and martial arts masters , among other victims of communist revolution in china under Mao. The few whom escaped to S.E. Asia and the Western hemisphere took some of their cultural history and knowledge with them but nothing survived the Communist Mao revolution remaining in Communist China. Wushu was created by the CCP as sport and is a good illustration of the flower without the fruit.

[@davidemelia6296]

You sound like an idiot who doesn't know anything about Chinese martial arts, or about anything else in China. First of all - wu shu is an umbrella term which encompasses all Chinese martial arts, whether they're intended for combat/self-defence or for health and fitness. Modern 'wu shu' is a sports form which is explicitly intended for sport and for health/fitness. People like SF soldiers or others who have to use martial arts for their work practice junshi sanda, or any number of other martial arts - whether they're Chinese or not.

[@davidemelia6296]

That's not to mention all the martial arts of the 'ethnic minority' peoples of China, which have survived for hundreds, or even thousands, of years, to the present day. Typical dumb American - so loud, and yet knows so little. Don't know why that's surprising, though: you can't even write a grammatical sentence in the only language you know.

[@MizanQistina]

"Chinese" migrate/running to SEA since dynastic era, mostly from Ming supporters. Pre WW2 Chinese brought by the British and other colonials to work in their mines and estates especially in Malaya. Some of them joined Malayan Communist Party and funded by the British to establish MPAJA (Malayan People Anti-Japanese Army) Communist Army to fight against Imperial Japan. They were heroes until they rebel against the British after Japan surrender. Post WW2 Chinese who comes to SEA are mostly Chinese Communist Army in their plan to make SEA Communist region under China. They failed n their attempt. These Chinese established Kun Tao in SEA which is a derivation of various types of Kung Fu, some of it mixed with Silat and some becomes Silat throughout history.

[@SoldierDrew]

@@MizanQistina Silat is a generic word for all fighting arts. And these arts all generically refered to as 'silat' include various chinese boxing hands, malay hands, indonesian hands and even colonial dutch fisticuff boxing hands (pukulan). So there is no actual thing as mixing chinese boxing with "silat". Various "silat" schools in SEA are chinese boxing. Saying "silat" in S.E.A. is like saying gungfu or karate in the western hemisphere. It's a generic all inclusive term. Kun Tao (fist way) is also a generic term for chinese boxing. It wasnt a specific style but rather a generic term for all chinese boxing in S.E.A. Westerners seeking to commercialize everything and their interweb followers began marketing silat and kuntao as two distinct individual styles. Regardless what political alliances or feelings the brits had concerning communist chinese pre & post WWII. To the chinese victims of the Communist Mao revolution, as well as to all logical, sentient, beings across the world whom study the history of communist revolutions/regimes, it's never been cool.

[@MizanQistina]

@@SoldierDrew There is such thing as mixing Kun Tao with Silat since Silat itself is MMA in ancient time. Origin of MA isn't linear and not one way only. There are Silat, Kun Tao, Silat-Kun Tao and Kun Tao-Silat, that is how unique SEA culture. I am Malaysian, I know my country history and culture to talk about it. 😆 British FUND the Communist in Malaya and creating Malayan Communist Army, imagine that. British want to use them against the Japan. Then the monster rebel against the British and destroy everything. It is the same thing USA did to Middle East and Afghanistan. US fund those terrorists to wreck havoc dethroning regimes and fighting Russia, then they become uncontrollable monsters...

[@thomaselmore1155]

Variations of these are done in Kenpo techniques.

[@ebaton]

А может всё в старину было, мягко говоря, разрушительным. Смею предположить, что причиной этого был иной смысл поединка. В былое время друг друга нужно было убить или покалечить, а не выиграть по очкам. Так что мистер Очевидность, поздравляю с присвоением звания - капитан. ------------- Or maybe everything in the old days was, to put it mildly, destructive. I dare to suggest that the reason for this was a different meaning of the duel. In the olden days it was to kill or maim each other, not to win on points. So, Mr. Hindsight, congratulations on being promoted to the rank of captain.

[@davydoo81]

We train very similar techniques in Tai-Jitsu.

[@brunovieira8432]

Excelent

[@omaazu.s.a6151]

There used to be some techniques called “joint countering” or “ joint reversing “ which are illegal to practice in the game now

[@frankmartinez4856]

Got in trouble for teaching basics to one of the three brothers😅they were wrestlers, he would land them on their heads, or against the wall 😮the two came looking for me. Telling me don’t teach him any more of Shiao Jiao 😊

[@KingJancelot]

How high of rank di you get in Shuai Jiao?

[@frankmartinez4856]

@@KingJancelot just the basics 😨already had 30,something years in Hung Gar, Choy Lee Fut 😬

[@KingJancelot]

@@frankmartinez4856 2 effetive systems epscially Choy Li Fut

[@jasonrandall5148]

Doesn't the Bolo character in the Movie Ender the dragon do a similar move.

[@danqfrank44]

is that rm drag still legal in judo?

[@ramonalarcon1974]

Esas son danzas donde ambos se ponen de acuerdo! En la vida real eso es inútil, si el oponente no coopera.

[@LK-zk3ii]

책으로 봣던 솔각, 담퇴...를 보네요

[@martinlaser7819]

It's all about techniques? Yes, but this is even more evident in fencing. Before you have trained technique until rather perfection you will lose often against one who works without trained technique. This is the difference between a "technique" and a "trick" (a cheap surprise against a partial ignorant). However on a higher olympic level - without trained technique? Today no more!

[@battleax4609]

Interesting

[@xyz-saa-23]

Aikido judo same

[@freespirit6253]

But theres not fight back. It rehearsed.

[@peteryeung111]

Problem with old Chinese martial arts masters are, they don’t like to share their knowledge. A lot of style and art forms were lost due to their secrecy.

[@KingJancelot]

They didn't think ahead and never though of art preservation; once its gone its gone.

[@trontonsapi]

its call dou ban jiang technique

[@ДилмуратКенжиев]

Многое из японского айки джитсу

[@liamsandal6360]

1:56-1:58 Lol. The student in the blue gi is waiting for the demonstrator to do his move. This is pathetic.

[@igorchulkov9820]

Так это ж классическое джиу-джитцу

[@ИгорьКущ-ч1б]

Какие же деревянные в прошлом были,сумбур какой-то делали.

[@pootytang2872]

The Shuai Jiao and some other demos made me recheck, if this video was an April 1st release.

[@JaneLike5]

look good

[@남자-h7k]

나도 이걸 {중국인 노사} 께 배운적 있어요. 진짜 강력 해요.

[@maksymmerkulow5196]

This is not just Chinees wrestling skills. This is UNIVERSAL skills. Watch ancient Egypt wrestling.

[@СергейКлочков-е5в]

Judo!

[@LogosFlow]

Shuai jiao is Chinese, but we name all the moves in Japanese? I just want to point out how still largely unknown are Chinese arts outside of China, including in the mma world, where people often say the most ignorant things based on little bits of videos. Good video though.

[@TheGrmany69]

1:57 taijiquan silk reeling. That's not kata guruma.

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

No one cares

[@avakinzerochill]

It is kata guruma. Depending on how you set it up, it's also snake creeps down or shoot the bow. You can find it in other styles as well.

[@Zack1440]

👍🏽

[@timothyvotaw3081]

omg bartitsu

[@awaizinayat1216]

❤ beautiful

[@tarcisiocantarino5508]

A pesa da aparencia con judo esta muito longe de ser uma imitacao

[@СвободныйВолк-у3е]

Туфта это слабое за Барба не считаю Китаици бороцо не у меют

[@сергейиванов-о5п2з]

Фуфло всё эти китайские приемы

[@onaldoper]

PERCEBO QUE CHINESES NÃO TEM LUTAR APURA AGARRADA,NESSE CASO DO VÍDEO ENTENDO QUE ESTAVAM INDO NO MOMENTO DE FAMA POPULAR DO JUDO ,HÁ ÉPOCA☻🥋😂🤣😂🤣😛😋👊🏿👍🏿🇧🇷👏🏿🙏🏿

[@vadymgonchar6623]

Дзюдо до😂

[@LuizJardim1]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AdrianoGYNSCosta]

Kkkkkkkk

[@Elistrado]

I can't watch the video cause of version of yt app. Wtf man? Dislike obviously

[@김선학-g8o]

Ju jitsu is better.

[@shawn6669]

by what metric?

[@waldi1339]

Sorry, but these techniques are too brutal.

[@VanishingNomad]

The constant cuts to judo/Jujitsu was very annoying. I would rather see pure Shuai Chiao.

[@Tornozelo]

It’s easy to see that this stuff is just like choreographed wrestling. Is not as real as Judo.

[@aceface4669]

Still waiting to see the "baby monkey punch" inside a cage

[@kirillkiselev4276]

Вы в своём уме? это жалкая пародия на дзюдо и борьбу в целом. Каждое слово автора, сделало нас тупее своим бредом... Тут даже спорить не о чём!