Old Sport's Hypocrisy- The Steven Situation

This is what happens when you watch the same cutscene twenty times and get to the point where you start seeing things that were probably unintended, but are super neat to look at.
Like I said at the end of the video, I do prefer characters with flaws. So, I'm not complaining that Jack being a hypocrite is a bad thing... But yeah, Steven deserved better. XD
Game: Dayshift at Freddy's 3

[@ic0nic707]

I always thought they overplayed how terrible Steven was, he always seemed decently respectful. *For a Freddy's manager that is.*

[@RubyRedSun]

(1:13) The reason Dave has a good soul and bad soul is because he tried to force his soul back into his body. None of the other characters are said to do that, so they don't have a split soul.

[@funny250wall]

He’s been keeping his soul in a dead body for over 50 years Id be surprised if his soul hadn’t spit apart

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Okay, that makes sense.

[@Lechgang]

Alright I'll try and explain this to the best of my knowledge. Since both the good and bad endings of the past are canon to Dsaf 3 somehow, we can assume that the events that took place in both happened somehow. Whether this means the Dave ending is canon for Dsaf 1 and the good ending is canon in Dsaf 2, the reverse, or some combination of both I don't know, but here's what that means: All three games, but primarily Dsaf 3 go out of their way to show that Jack and Dave have a really tight bond. In the first game you could argue that they're just close friends, but with the things Dave says to Jack in Dsaf 2, and the confession at the end of the evil route, there isn't a lot of room for speculation. These two are in love with each other, and if it's not romantic, it's the tightest friendship two grown and criminally insane men in western America could have. Jack's relationship with Dave is shown to be stronger than his relationship with everyone else, as shown by the end of Dsaf 3's good ending. Now Dave has done some awful things to Jack, but I think what the game is going for is that every bad thing Dave has ever done gets ascribed to living Dave, or Davetrap, while all the good parts of Dave go to the flipside. Dsaf has this thing where people's souls can split apart from living bodies after death, leaving a living husk behind. That's what happened to Jack when he was revived by Fredbear, and I believe it's what happens to Dave in the good ending of Dsaf 2 after being springlocked. Essentially, Dsaf 3 just splits Dave in two, and all of the bad stuff Dave has done stays with Davetrap, while Flipside Dave is essentially the conscience. And since Jack and Dave have such a strong bond, Jack latches onto the good parts of Dave, that he genuinely bonded with. It makes sense for Dee to be angry, and she's right to feel that way, but the way the game portrays Flipside Dave, he's an aspect of Davetrap's personality who was genuinely innocent, or at least redeemable, so it made sense for Jack to act the way he did. So when you take this into account, and with Peter and Dee being...literally Jack's family... Steven really is the odd one out here. He and Jack *never* had any positive interactions in Dsaf 1. Unlike with Peter, who even as a Phone guy without his memories, still had plenty of positive moments with Jack that connected the two, good ending especially. Jack and Steven never had that. The biggest thing that happened between the two is that Steven justly or unjustly framed Jack for murder. Also, if we assume Dsaf 3 uses composite Jack, we could also assume there's some neutral route Jack in there, and neutral route Jack is just kind of a huge asshole, so that might be another explanation. But I think the main reason Jack and the game itself painted Steven in that bad light was mostly due to presentation. Objectively, Dave's actions are much worse than Steven's. But Dave is a lot more likable than Steven. Dave is cool, he's nice to Jack (the player) he's fun, he takes Jack to Vegas where they become life partners. All the bad stuff Dave does is mostly portrayed as wacky antics with Dave. Until the third game where all the seriously evil moral implications are put onto Davetrap, Dsaf 2's good ending is the only place where the child murder is taken seriously. Dave's charisma goes a long way into making the player (and Jack) like him, and once all that yucky bad stuff is put into Davetrap, it's a lot easier for Flipside Dave to come off looking better. Steven meanwhile, doesn't have that. Until his redemption arc he's just an asshole boss in Dsaf 1 who frames Jack for murder. And whether he's justified in doing that or not it makes total sense either way for Jack to be pissed at him either way. There's also the matter of the other shady things Steven did, primarily the phonification of Peter. And if you think it's unfair for Steven to get the brunt of the blame for that, you're probably right. I think Steven's redemption goes to show that he really *isn't* as bad as Jack or the players thought he was, and that us coming to terms with that is part of the message. Wow, long comment. TLDR: I think it makes sense for Jack to be harder on Steven than he is on Dave if we consider both the Dave routes and the Good endings to be canon, and that Jack being an asshole tracks.

[@1toastytoast1]

Additionally, there’s an entire segment of Jack and Dave interacting that we never get to see. Doggo mentioned this in a tumblr post, they used to hang out together at Fredbear’s after Jack died, hence why you see him in the cutscene where Henry dies. (Dave wanted to show Jack the bite of 83) Although, Dave doesn’t remember Jack by the time of dsaf 1. Jack does. They’ve had a lot more time to know each other than we think.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

That's very interesting! Shame it didn't make it into the game.

[@NorthWestern1919]

Damn, this is something I never thought of. And here's an observation of mine regarding Steven. The log at 3:33 states that as of July 1987, Phone Guy Model 14_02 (Steven) was scrapped. DSaF 1 takes place that very month. Meaning that when we play DSaF 1, we are seeing Steven in his last days. No matter how the game progresses, the restaurant is always shut down for good on Day 5, meaning that whatever happens, Steven is pretty fucked. He claimed to frame Jack to save his own skin, but regardless, he gets scrapped that very month. I don't really have a theory regarding this, it's just something I've observed and wanted to share. Perhaps he thought that getting the perpetrator arrested, whether it was Jack or not, would earn him favor with the company and likely spare his life, something which no matter what, never turns out to be true. It's also amazing how, like you said, both the good and bad routes are somehow canon at the same time in this series. Is there a DSaF multiverse? I dunno, I don't want to think about it.

[@1toastytoast1]

The difference between Steven’s soul and Dave’s soul is that flipside Dave has done nothing wrong. He isn’t a murderer, reality Dave is. The flipside soul wasn’t in Dave’s corpse as he killed children across multiple locations. Steven’s soul however, was in Steven’s body as he framed Jack. One consistency across the major dsaf 1 routes is that Steven ALWAYS frames you. He could’ve sent Jack to jail, stopping his either evil or good plans for a long time. And Steven has probably done other terrible things that we don’t know about. He’s really distraught, and that can’t all come from that one incident and Peter’s death. Gosh hecking darn it, I love both Steven and Jack so much, they’re such wonderfully stupid characters. Steven doesn’t get enough love from the fans

[@fox-milessavioroffoxes3782]

Jack probably feels a close connection to Dave since they are very similar, also before Dave’s frontal lobe was removed he confronted Henry telling him that they shouldn’t have killed Dee, as can be heard in audio log three. Jack knows that Dave isn’t entirely responsible for his actions

[@meltingwaffles]

This also kinda carries on into the fandom I've seen a bunch of people hate Steven but absolutely adore Dave it's like they think Steven didn't feel bad about what hes done but he does if you just listen to him he obviously feels terrible about everything

[@meltingwaffles]

@sweatercat29 agreed

[@NorthWestern1919]

I think that might be because a lot of the fans are simps who find the undead purple man attractive. Me? I'm just in it for the story and humor. I could care less if Aubergine and Tangerine got it on in Vegas (which they definitely did).

[@meltingwaffles]

@@NorthWestern1919 it just kinda sucks cause like Steven's my favorite character and they act like hes just a 1 dimensional character that is an asshole for the hell of it which he's not

[@Mdrapsy]

@@meltingwaffles Hello me :)

[@meltingwaffles]

@@Mdrapsy hello im matt everyone loves me!!

[@brawlstar1748]

I like this speculative style of video format. It offers new insight into what the games tell us, and I hope you do more of them in the future.

[@Jedi-ge6lr]

Tbh, I think there's more to Steven than what is showed. Dee disliked him. Even mentions his modo: "Sweep it under the rug, it's probably fine." Something else had to have happened. And with Dave, even if his soul wasn't split into two, it's still very likely that he could be redeemed, since he only started killing because of Henry's manipulation.

[@GlitchedPhi]

I just remembered how both the good and evil ending of DSAF 2 could be canonical. Remember the whole legacy thing you can do in DSaF 2? Completing "An End" (the true evil ending) and starting a legacy while talking to Blackjack 🐕? And you can stop the legacy by doing the pure good ending? Yeah, I believe that what Jack canonically did. DSaF 3 proved it. During the first talk Jack has with Flipside Dave, Flip Dave talked about The Real Fredbear, and mentioned he hasn't been in the flipside for quite a while. "He left one day, and never returned." Next thing we see is a semitransparent Jack's face with a soulless grin and white eyes... which is what we see in DSaF 2 while he is committing to the legacy. He DESTROYED Fredbear in the evil ending, and that fact stays true in DSaF 3, even after Jack ended his legacy. I even vaguely remembered Henry mentioning Jack's legacies, though I don't know if he really did say that or not. That's proof that the evil ending in DSaF 2 is canonical, but that game's good ending? I'm not so sure about it, but in DSaF 3, Jack doesn't have the white eyes and soulless grin (unless if you go down the bad ending there). That might means that he stopped his latest legacy. 4:04 Jack saying "Nah. I was completely innocent." would be a big lie.

[@GlitchedPhi]

Now that I think about it, how does this legacy thing work, anyway? Did Jack start it in one timeline, be in this legacy mode for as many timelines as he like, and end it in a different timeline? I dunno. Maybe that is the case, and that last timeline leads to DSAF 3? Though, if that timeline theory of mine is true, then how would have Fredbear never returned? He didn't get destroyed in this last timeline. Maybe he just passed on for good some times after Blackjack told the bear about what Jack has done?

[@docrilas]

so how did Fredbear appear in the good ending?

[@funny250wall]

5:50 Henry killed her, make no mistake Dave was involved but Henry killed her

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

True, but he was there and thus is culpable to an extent. It does make it easier to understand why Dee eventually comes to some sort of peace with Dave though.

[@Collin51711]

Jack truly is a terrible person. He was resurrected to give the children their Happiest Day, but he decided not to do it. Instead, he killed children with Dave, the absolute opposite of what he was supposed to do. Even if he gave the children the Happiest Day, he still killed the Real Fredbear, the one who brought him back in the first place! At the start of the game, Flipside Dave says that the Real Fredbear went "fuckin' awol." and Jack's evil face appears, which links back to the Pure Evil ending, which is an evil ending, and since the good and evil routes are cannon, that means he could've actually killed the Real Fredbear. Oh, and he instantly forgave Dave, who I have to say something about when it comes to the Pure Evil ending, which I mentioned earlier. Something that shows how Dave was never evil is that he is scared of Jack when HE becomes evil. If he was evil, why would he be scared of someone else who is evil? You could say "Well, it's called the Pure Evil ending.", but still. If he was evil, I doubt Jack putting on a creepy face and saying evil, heartless things would scare him. Reality Dave is just feral, not evil. Ok, back to Jack. I have one more thing to say about him: Phone Guys are made to be the managers and bosses of Freddy's locations. It was most likely part of Stephen's job, which he was required to do because not doing it would probably result in him being locked up in the factory or worse, so... You could say he should've not put himself first, which I agree with, but Jack not even taking this into consideration shows how little empathy he has. He clearly lacks care and understanding for others, and is just generally a shitty person. This lack of care for others also shows in how it feels like he's just trying to complete his mission in the third game. It doesn't feel like he really cares. Why should I support this evil character? I don't see a reason. It just seems pointless. Also I don't think Jack is a bad character, just a *bad guy* character. The intent from the start was most likely for him to be at least somewhat evil.

[@Strawberry_Cubes]

1:20 “He was so dedicated to Dave, that he’s willing to kill Dee” …..tbh we are all dedicated to Dave, like….we are the purple murder man simp club

[@ladymoragsbootlaces8059]

The way I see it, Jack's strong dislike of Scott is totally justified, especially in comparison to the other Phone Guys who were either more pleasant and helpful to Jack (DSAF 3 PGs) or redeemed their shady actions with a personal sacrifice (Peter, who is also Jack's brother I might add). The hypocrisy issue mainly lies in how flexible Jack was about accepting Reasonable Dave compared to his grudge with Steven. Although, I'm not really too bothered by the hypocrisy, as to me the hypocrisy is more so a situational difference rather than objective. First off, the fact that he was "reasonable Dave" (i.e. "the part of him that doesn't kill kids for fun") probably helped Jack lower his guard around him, especially since Jack was unfamiliar with the Flipside and his only safe and efficient option was to work with Dave who was nothing but genuinely helpful to him, so Jack didn't really have a choice other than to risk trusting Dave. But I think Dave's proven intent to help Jack, plus Jack knowing that Feral Dave is probably the part of him truly to blame for Dee, explains his apparent forgiveness of Dave, even if Reasonable Dave does still seem too easily forgiven. (Side note, I have the personal theory that Flipside Dave and Dee simultaneously remember multiple real world timelines, explaining Dave's familiarity toward Jack from evil timelines and Dee's on/off suspicion and trust in Jack from both evil and good timelines.) And yeah, Jack was tone-deaf AF about trying to convince Dee that Dave was a friend, but did he really have much choice other than to at least try? Even if Dave did screw Dee over, they all three had a common goal now, and it's a goal that's important to Dee. Plus, Dee is evidently capable of forgiving Dave when he regrets his past actions, so I think the biggest issue she fought Jack and Dave over wasn't so much revenge for herself (i.e. not forgiving Dave), but for thinking that Dave and Jack were still actively threats who wanted to kill more kids. Once she vents her hatred of Dave and then learns Dave means no more harm (and that this Jack wasn't actually "corrupted" by him), THEN everything becomes hunky dory! lol But when faced with the prospect of saving Steven, while I agree Jack's hesitation is a bit over-done, it still makes sense since Steven, as mentioned earlier, was the only Phone Guy Jack knew that didn't benefit from a sympathetic backstory (until saving him in the Flipside) or from doing anything noble (or being his brother lol), but rather, he was only ever overbearing like most Phone Guys, screwed over Peter (even if by protocol), and was cowardly selfish for framing Jack to save himself (which is "kinda" justified, but still very shitty and hard to forgive). But while Jack's dislike of Steven is understandable (and still put aside to save him anyway), I think the scenes are especially melodramatic about it because Steven clearly also always felt guilty about being a selfish coward, so instead of try to defend himself, Steven kept agreeing with Jack's reasons for disliking him, so it comes across as much more serious that it actually was Sorry for such a long comment, the video really made me think! :)

[@robdabob77]

Loved this video, you should definitely do more analysis videos of these games! Another thing you should definitely consider is a discord server where we could suggest ideas for videos, that would be pretty cool!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you! 8D And I'll definitely think about it. I had a lot of fun making this one, so I'd love to take ideas for more.

[@lextavactchi]

I’m pretty sure Henry did the shitty things to Dee, not Dave. Even back when the kill was fresh, Dave regrets the whole situation seemingly and questions Henry as to why they were actually even doing it.

[@hydracdxv]

6:42 I just realized the guy in the back is Jack

[@funny250wall]

3:30 yet when we ask Jake to send someone to the factory he pushes back hard, Steven is another gen 2 model and should be able to think for himself and for what’s best,. The only reason Jake eventually folds is because we are the boss, Steven was the boss too. Heck phone employees have so much power that when Fazbender entertainment went bankrupt Scottie assumed control over the factory and stopped the phone guys working there from being scrapped like the others it’s not like Fazbender didn’t order them to be scrapped just that she decided they shouldn’t be. Phone guys and gals can make good decisions like this, *but Steven didn’t*

[@Zach-804]

Steven is gen 1 dude

[@meltingwaffles]

Steven is a gen 1 model it could be gen 1 models are programmed to send springlocked employees to the factories seeing how it is stated that each phone guy generation is less and less programmed

[@Zach-804]

@@meltingwaffles Peter Is the gen two

[@meltingwaffles]

@@Zach-804 I know I'm pretty sure that's why hes able to remember some things from when he was alive

[@1toastytoast1]

Steven is completely under the control of the company because he is a gen 1. He has almost no memories of his past. Jake is just rebellious, that’s why he really doesn’t want to send Walt(green phone) to the factory. Steven had to send Peter off because otherwise, the company would come get Steven. And unlike Jack, Steven was just a manager. By dsaf 3, Jack is literally the CEO of Fazbender Ent. He makes the rules, but he still (sometimes) listens to his phone headed employees

[@Soundwave-gay]

I love Dave so damn much but doggo could of done Dave’s redemption better

[@marcsuraci7759]

I’d love to see more hot takes about DSAF if you’re serious about Jimbo being The Kennedy’s dad I’d watch that

[@muzzycosmos9400]

Honestly I think he just didn't like Steven for his personality. It happens. Even if you choose the good endign, Jack just finds Dave funny, that's all. It's not a rare thing to happen... Still, he shouldn't have thought on don't saving him.

[@foxyboyx2294]

Well let's not forget that we can run away from Dee xD

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Wait, we can? O.o

[@foxyboyx2294]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 yeah Dee's the only Bossfight you can run away from

[@Australia-hehe]

Great vid! I think this is the first vid I've ever seen that dives into this about old sport. Epic voice reveal

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I speak at a range only Doggos can hear, so sacrifices must be made. XD

[@Australia-hehe]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 lol, say, can the doggos understand you or do they just hear you?

[@MiquShiro]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I actually had and still kinda have the same issue, just keep talking youll eventually get there where youre audible/you can understand what you said Unless its just an excuse for you to not actually voice reveal lol

[@silviavaliente4551]

I just wanted to give my two cents on this! Although maybe wrong, i've always viewed the "splitting" of Dave's soul to happen whenever he gets springlocked in DSAF 2 or DSAF PSTK (or, as Davetrap refers to it, the last time he died). When asked if Reasonable Dave was free of all murders, Reasonable Dave responds with "more or less", but i'm inclined to believe it's actually more less than more. Reasonable Dave explains how the soul-tearing-apart thing happens when a soul gets *repeatedly* thrown back into a body, so, basically, after a while. i assume that when Dave got springlocked and died once again, it was the last drop for the reposession trick, splitting Dave's soul into two. So, Reasonable Dave is just as accountable for the murders as Feral Dave is (all of the murders before 1987/1993) because those two divisions didn't exist and he was one and whole for the time being (whole soul, i mean). i don't really think that the vague commentary was made to make Dave's redemption more buyable (especially since Reasonable Dave does comment how good freeing a soul-Jacob's-feels like, as if it was unusual, since he'd be mostly stabbing 'em). Both Jack and Dave are messed up like, a heckin lot, and we're constantly reminded of that. The fact plays with your affections and thoughts regarding these two madmen, and makes the whole experience much more fulfilling with Dave's redemption, i believe. Though, of course, i ain't the one that's seen each and every interaction and iteration of these games far more than once (seriously tho, NotRealName, you're heckin awesome!) so i really appreciate and encourage any reply and correction! All o' this could be already replied in Obscure Tumblr Lore(TM) but Tumblr intimidates me and i REALLY don't feel like asking something that could potentially bother our beloved dogman on twitter or something! TL;DR: i'm pretty (although mayhaps incorrectly) sure that Dave's soul turned into two when he last got springlocked, so Reasonable Dave has strangled as many kiddins as Feral Dave because that distinction didn't exist until Davetrap happened--yet, this isn't inherently a bad thing that worsens Dave's redemption at all.

[@1toastytoast1]

I do see your logic here, however I have to disagree as it is stated that the splitting of Dave’s soul starts the first time he dies. Henry removes some of his organs, sees him back together, and Dave comes back. He always does, because it happens a few more times, each time the rip between the sides of Dave’s soul gets more pronounced, until he is split 50/50. It is only after Henry stops experimenting on Dave that they start killing kids, because at that point Henry sees him as a failure and needs new subjects.

[@christianwright7581]

What's PTSK?

[@silviavaliente4551]

@@1toastytoast1 Aw man, thanks for clearing all of this up for me!

[@silviavaliente4551]

@@christianwright7581 It's Dayshift at freddy's Project Save the Kiddins. It's a tiny game direct doggo made for charity You're basically Old Sport in the fnaf 1 location, except Dave Sort of fills the role of phone Guy and theres a special little cutscene in one of the endings!

[@loser7174]

This was very entertaining,I hope you make of this

[@yey295]

Well, first time on flipeside shows that evil (not bad) ending of a dsaf2 is a canon, because we can see the face of a Jack after evil ending.

[@wavewingman5993]

I'm over the moon about the fact that someone is making video essays about DSAF, imo the best FNAF fan game ever, forever underrated, and very near and dear to me. That said, it's really hard to listen to a text to speech voice that doesn't have inflections like a normal human voice. I noticed you've remade a couple of your old videos, and I'd like to know if you'd consider remaking the DSaF ones too. I'd be fine with just a straight redubbing.

[@poprocks6576]

Jack: im here to save my on again off again bestie and siblings I’m sorry Steven you’re a bonus

[@NintendoNerd64]

in one of henry's tapes, it states that "if a soul is strong enough, it can jump between timelines", which is why i think all endings are pretty much canon

[@j.a.m.m]

Oh yeah, that's a good point, I never thought about that!

[@SsunkenVR]

IT IS NOT JUST A PARODY!

[@koffiecake]

WAIT I NEED TO HEAR THAT THEORY ABOUT JIMBO

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Old Sport's Hypocrisy momentum 100

[@Bigdickdav3y]

I lowkey really wanna be friends with ye. You got an Instagram or something?

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Sure! I got locked out of my Instagram, so do you have a Discord? I should warn you though. I am especially cringey. There's a good chance I will immediately scare you off. XD

[@1toastytoast1]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Aw dude I was gonna ask you for your discord as well, dunno what I was waiting for but here I am lmao

[@BugaferJones]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 is it too late to ask you for your discord? ive actually been a longtime viewer of yours since 2019, your wordless dsaf playthroughs got me through some ROUGH times