Old Town Next - Canoe or Kayak?

[@RenoLaringo]

Jack of all trades, master of none

[@toobakededibles8040]

Bought my esquif canoe here. They are the best and have the best service!

[@JulienKozak]

Well, you kept talking about the next canoe and I was waiting the whole 6 minutes for you to finally show it to me!

[@winstonkaltenbach6998]

I bought a next canoe with matching paddle. It's great little boat but I flipped it and it doesn't float when swamped like he said, it's neutrally buoyant at best. I like that it is built like a tank because I use it in the Louisiana swamps so I'm always crossing fallen trees and stumps and it can really take a beating. Tracking is good and speed is similar to recreational kayaks.

[@ryanleeoakes2015]

As longs as it doesn’t sink then the design has done its job. Most boats have huge pieces of foam at the bow and stern which will keep it from sinking when capsized. Very much the same as when you flipped yours but you gain all the room back with the foam core feature

[@epenaloza52]

How much was it im in the market but most of the ones I've found are well over 3gs or they're just VERY far to pick up

[@jimbendtsen8841]

The NEXT has a problem with the seat coming out of the U-shaped plastic holders when the canoe flexes or you twist hard, but I fixed it. Instead of the stainless steel pins going through the plastic holes of the U-channels, OVER the aluminum rods, I drilled holes 7/16 below the existing ones, and THROUGH the aluminum rods, pinning them vertically and horizontally, preventing them from flexing out of the U-channels.

[@TheEZGZ]

Sounds like one of those contraptions that sacrifice's the best qualities of both. Better to get one of each IMHO

[@Nightwaterproject]

Music credits: Lightning Loops by Night Water Project

[@topbrasstv8867]

You ever tried keeping a minnow bucket on a yak? Yaks are great but I can hold more fishing gear in a canoe unless im travelling light then I'll use a kayak. But I'm usually taking a huge 5 trey tackle box and like 4 rods a bucket of minnows an anchor and a bag with food and water and a pillow to sit on cause I'm usually out for hours. I couldnt go kayaking with all that if I tried so I'm more a canoe guy than a yak guy. Hell I should just ditch both and get a Jon boat.

[@boatman222345]

"Only weighs 59 pounds?" That sounds to me like putting positive spin on a negative spec! Heck that's within 5 lbs of the 16' fiberglass Mad River Malecite I used to own. And it's nearly twice the weight of its predessor the Ol Town Pack 12! Back to the drawing board Old Town, back to,the drawing board!

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

You want to look at the Esquif Adirondack Pack canoe. Similar to the Pack Canoe

[@65LB]

Kayak paddle for sure!

[@pointvillage16]

I see one seat can in additional seat be added?

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

No, the Next is designed as a Solo paddling canoe. I have not seen any with additional seating. -Isaiah

[@robertringier1232]

I have the Old Town predecessor, the Pack, Royalex and weighs and honest 33#. I wouldn't trade it for a Pro Angler! Too bad about stopping the production of Royalex and the much heavier weight of its replacements. A Canadian company is making a kevlar canoe also called Pack. It weighs 25# but costs $2600!

[@lunkydog]

I couldn't believe it when I heard that weight. Same thing, I've had a 33# Pack 12 for over 20years. I lowered the seat 3/4" and moved it rearward about 1 3/8" to better balance with a 60# dog passenger that likes to recreate Titanic by standing in the bow.

[@yeahbaby8715]

Does esquif make a hybrid?

[@treaty92]

I love mine!

[@MagnusHedemark]

Don't trust Old Town's published specifications. Put this boat on a scale. It's way over 59 pounds. My 30 year old Old Town Camper 16 foot boat in Royalex layup is lighter than the modern Next solo canoe.

[@MagnusHedemark]

That said, I like my Next. My kids love it. They prefer kayak paddling, but the Next lets them bring their dogs. PERFECT little recreation boat for someone who likes kayaking but wants the capacity of a canoe.

[@whatfreedom7]

Well that’s shitty of them. I hate companies who mislead consumers.

[@stewman590]

@@MagnusHedemark hi

[@22BOZIDAR]

i like that seat, lookin to fit something like it to my 14ft old town.

[@shakebake9661]

I’m 6-1, 280 lbs, been looking for something like this, have a fs12 ascend, but don’t have enough room to carry what I want on a day or overnight trip, was thinking about converting an old town 146 to a single seater.....would the next be a better boat for my size?

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

You fit the boat, but maybe should look at a different kayak with storage thats larger to handle your weight. The ideal paddler of the NEXT would be under 230 lbs. Look at the Old Town Castine 145, large room in the cockpit for your build, and dual dry bulkhead compartments. -Isaiah

[@h2ozark]

I'd buy this for my kayak loving wife if they would make it out of T-Formex. Buy some, OT!

[@ShakespeareCafe]

Next eviscerated on Reddit. 60lbs. I put a beach seat in my 30lbs OT Pack that I got off Craigslist for $150 and turned it into a poor man’s Next

[@123456perim]

Excelente canoa. Falta colocar motor elétrico ou pedalinho. Vcs tem representantes no Brasil?

[@advancegraphics6400]

Great 🍺

[@sloopjohnb.24]

You suppose that seat can hold a 240 pounder?

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

It can hold 240, but would not be the canoe I recommend for you. Ideal paddler weight would be under 190 for the profile of the NEXT.

[@sloopjohnb.24]

@@LancasterCountyMarine oh wow. Looks like i have some weight to lose. Thanks for the reply.

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

@3XR5 when we give out numbers for “ideal paddler capacity” we are considering factors such as how deep the boat sits in the water and paddling efficiency. A guy at 300 lbs would be more suited to a larger boat that will draft less water and by doing so, for each paddle stroke move easier through the water. The next can handle a 300 lb paddler, it’s just not a perfect match.

[@nickyl9040]

I'm 6'2 " 275 lbs I have and love a Pungo 140 The Pungo weighs 56 lbs The Pungo has a maximum capacity of 350 lbs In February I want to paddle the 100 miles of the Wilderness Waterway in Everglades NP There is no potable water on that trip and the NPS says that I should plan for a 9 day trip and carry 9 gallons of water 9 gallons of water +containers weighs at least 85 lbs So 275 +85=360 So I need a boat that can handle at least 425 lbs Is the Next the right boat for that trip ? One thing that I really love about the Pungo is that it's unsinkable Is the Next also unsinkable ? I have paddled among many alligators and the idea of abandoning a boat that is sinking and swimming to safety among the gators is an idea that I don't find to be the least bit appealing Is the Next unsinkable ?

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

Nicky, you really should be looking at a different Canoe for your trip. The NEXT is designed as a recreational Canoe, and the numbers for your gear, and yourself don't really work. What I would recommend looking at would be a lightweight larger Canoe, at least 15' in length to give you the cargo capacity that you require. Also, air bags are a must in a canoe to make it unsinkable. So my opinion, look at the Esquif Huron 15 or 16. That will give you the cargo room for your gear plus air bags in the ends. The 16 will disperse the weight the best and give you a great ride. -Isaiah

[@nickyl9040]

@@LancasterCountyMarine thanks for your help I just found one of these at my local kayak store>Native Watercraft Ultimate FX 15 Tandem Kayak

[@whereandbackagain7059]

You need to bring a water filtration system instead of gallons and gallons of water...

[@nickyl9040]

@@whereandbackagain7059 Water filtration systems don't work with brackish water

[@martinneps9387]

Would like just to know what it sells for please comment back thank you very much

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

$1099 is the current price on the NEXT. We have three colors in stock. 717-859-1121

[@andys4971]

@@LancasterCountyMarine If old town wanted to actually sell these things they would need to get em down to the 500$ mark similar to an entry level/intermediate kayak. I know you’re just the retailer but you may know someone over there and you may want to let them know that they’re missing the mark

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

@@andys4971 As a retailer we sell every Next canoe that we get at the retail price. It sells very easy, commands the retail price because of the quality of materials used. If the Next was overpriced or poor quality, we would be telling Old Town to lower their price. Never had a problem selling this quality canoe. Appreciate your opinion tho

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

@@andys4971 have you inspected the Next canoe in person to form an opinion that it should be priced at $500? I think you may need to look at a $500 kayak like the old town heron and compare the quality of the next. There is definitely more cost for manufacturing in the next. Take a look at one sometime, see what ya think in person. I have seen hundreds of these and they are great quality

[@timothyroche6445]

too heavy for portaging at 59 pounds, need sub 35 pound

[@Patrick-uu5xg]

Old town should have kept the the Pack 12 or simply gave it a face lift. At 37??? Lbs it was much lighter then the Next

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

Royalex is gone 😌

[@Patrick-uu5xg]

@@LancasterCountyMarine I thought T Formax was lighter. I'm I incorrect in that?

[@LancasterCountyMarine]

@@Patrick-uu5xg t formex is close, but a slight bit heavier than the royalex material.

[@Patrick-uu5xg]

@@LancasterCountyMarine That a shame. Thank you for the info!

[@jordanl7459]

Copy of the Swift except the Swift pack boat is 26 to 30 lbs.

[@markdrury]

And 3-4 times as expensive as the Next, as well.

[@richardmarshall6751]

59 lbs! Ouch. Check out old school Old Town Pack, much more load capacity (550lbs) and 33 lbs.

[@MagnusHedemark]

It's not 59 pounds. I have one. It's much worse than that. I believe Old Town overestimates weight capacity and understates weight. Maybe that's a bare hull without the seat or footpegs. But the complete canoe is over 70 pounds dry.

[@jarvisrinklebaker5450]

Magnus Hedemark mine is almost 65lbs with seat and foot rails. You're close with 70, but far off in this realm. I weighed mine on a deer weight hanging scale. Old Town says the listed weight is empty hull only. So they are spot on at 59lbs.

[@MagnusHedemark]

Hey sorry... I misstated the weight from memory. I went back and weighed it again and my actual number is closer to yours. Mine was about 64 pounds as delivered. The empty hull number is really misleading. That's like Ford advertising the weight of the mustang without the interior. The partial canoe isn't the weight people have to carry; it's the whole enchilada that matters. And that is a very portly ~64-65 pounds (for a 13 foot canoe, really, it's a lot!)

[@jarvisrinklebaker5450]

Magnus Hedemark I'll take the weight since it affords durability and reduces the need to baby the craft and worry about rocks.

[@MagnusHedemark]

I'm taking my family paddling today on the river. Old Town Next, Dagger Axis 12.0, and Old Town Camper 16RX. That 16 foot Royalex boat is actually lighter. Crazy! And no babying it around rocks. It'll be interesting to see if Old Town dives into TFormex for new boats, maybe revisits the Pack hull w/ Next outfitting. I hope so!

[@SimerCCC]

I only live 20 - 30 minutes from Old Town Maine home of Old Town canoe

[@FNAFfanboiFnafdude]

Let's dig a hole at the bottem of-Dooba daba doo bop I'll teach ya how to buy a *CANOOOOEEEEEEE*

[@johnroddy8756]

Back rest is proven waste of time,leaning back far less controll.the first nation people never used back support,and much stronger back muscles.Peddleing back rests you should know better.