Old Town Sportsman VS Hobie PA 360 I FULL WALKTHROUGH AND REVIEW

Before I made the leap in purchasing the Hobie PA 360 I was incredibly torn between the Hobie PA and the Old Town Sportsman. Both kayaks were new, expensive and feature packed. My previous kayak was an Old Town Predator, which I loved, and it was really hard for me to decide between the newest Hobie or Old Town. After fishing extensively out of the Hobie Pro Angler and spending 2 FULL days on the water with an Old Town Sportsman I have a pretty good feel for both. These are probably two of the top fishing kayaks available and you'll probably be very happy with either one but there are some key differences you should be aware of if you're choosing between these two.
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[@depondhopper]

I'm so glad you did this. I have seen tons of reviews on the OT 120PDL but not the 106. I'm pulling the trigger Wednesday!

[@paulglass7268]

Awesome!!

[@rogerhale6404]

There is no competition or equal, to the Hobie 360 drive. It is the cream of the crop, handsdown. No others do what it does. Also, their seat is 100% better than any other, period. About the weight, well I dont know anyone that does not use some sort of wheeled dolly for transportation. Whose gonna be carryina a fishing kayak anywhere, anyway !!! Its is wide and very stable. The Hobie PA14 360 is #1 all the way around. The price reflects all of the great engineering put into this boat. The rudders that are easily raised and the retractable transducer mount.

[@pdfahie]

Excellent reviews. I do not plan on buying a pedal drive kayak ( I have a plastic 10’ pond prowler). I’ve fallen down a KZbin kayak pedal drive rabbit hole. Watching all kinds of reviews. Your reviews are always as unbiased and concise as I can find on KZbin. Also super thorough. Much appreciated!

[@aaanglers]

🙌

[@RogerFordTheSmilingBassHole]

Awesome comparison! I have the Hobie PA 12 360. I'm 70, so it IS heavy for me! I have the Boonedox Landing Gear, but ALSO the Dynamic Dolly, which certainly makes moving the Hobie easier.

[@BrianKuhl]

Thanks for the comparison. So much to consider, but appreciate the insight!

[@daniels98]

Enjoyed your review, pace and tone. Lots of detail that you cannot know unless you given a walk through.

[@christophershoe9642]

Forward facing rod holders, I knew I forgot something. That's a great idea!

[@paulglass7268]

It's SO clutch. Mount it on the opposite side where you typically bring fish in. I net fish with my left hand so the rod holder is actually on the right

[@Steve-qo4hi]

For what its worth, I had a Hobie Revo for a season. I sold it and moved to the Old Town 132 PDL. In my opinion there is no comparison. The OT is so much more comfortable, stable and better engineered. I fish the salt in NE.

[@paulglass7268]

Totally hear that and it's worth a lot!

[@Bassmaster-xd2pn]

Not worth that much

[@BrownBaitCo]

They both look like fantastic yaks thx for the cool vid Paul!

[@paulglass7268]

Thanks FTSE

[@thejonath]

The hobie rod holder setup is unbelievable, wish my Autopilot 136 had something similar.

[@letun3481]

5:55 Great point! this is exactly what I do :)

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

I tried both of those 'Yaks, but decided for the fishing I do - I got the Titan. Enjoyed the Video you did, and the Pro's and Con's of both 'Yaks.

[@paulglass7268]

Hope you enjoyed the Titan 👍🏼👍🏼

[@HarryHood96]

Excellent review. Thank you.

[@andiiramii2775]

I want the native titan 12 but that hobie seat is what has me. I have a bad lower back and that seat makes it look like a lazy boy lol love it. Great video guys

[@tjblomberg5497]

I have arthritis in my lower back. I bought the old town PDL 120. I haven’t got the spacers which I hear makes a huge difference. Even without them I can go out for hrs on my old town with no back pain. I’ve spent 8 hrs on it with no issues.

[@paulglass7268]

Both seats are outstanding, I prefer the Hobie but they're both excellent

[@nano2030]

I bought a PA14 360 and I really like it a lot. I also just bought a PDL 120 for my wife. I tried a cruise on my buddy's PDL and I really liked it. I agree about the speed of the old town. There are things I like and don't like about each. One thing I think that old town wins is the rudder deployment. It seems like every time I am landing on my Hobie I have to fumble a little to pull my rudder up. I like how pulling the drive kinda keeps a little more space available on the old down. The Hobie bow storage is really nice in the accessibility and way better than the old town to maximize my capacity in it I have taken out the white bin and store only non water sensitive things in it. Still, I've only ever had less than a tablespoon in that area when I have found water in it. I have a love hate relationship with the rod tubes in my Hobie. They're so nice for having a good number of rods available but I've bent a few spinning rod guides trying to get them stowed and it takes a bit of jockeying to get rods much longer than 6'6" in and out of them while seated. I like the tubes more than what little rod or other storage comes on the old town. I'll probably build a side saddle arrangement for the old town to help with rod storage. I think the fish finder setup and installation will be a win for the Hobie but I haven't started on the old town yet. After seeing reports of folks having issues with 360 drives and repairs being slow. If my Hobie drive dies early I will prob go to old town or maybe look closer at a Jackson Knarr.

[@the45er]

Since the Hobie is more than twice the price of an OT, I rest my case.

[@tjblomberg5497]

I love my old town PDL 120. Even loaded down I’ve gotten it up to 5 mph and 3 just cruising. It’s even faster then my buddy’s bass boat using the trolling motor on them electric only lakes. I do like the blank canvas idea with the old town allowing you to pretty much outfit the way you want.

[@paulglass7268]

It was super fast, instant reverse is great too!

[@tjblomberg5497]

@@paulglass7268 yeah that was one of the things that had me sold was the instant reverse. I’ve only been out a few times but it’s come in handy so many times. Especially waiting at the boat launch just going back and forth on the drive to stay in one spot.

[@b.j.stambaugh9213]

People thought I was crazy looking into an Old Town Sportsman PDL 106...at the time I was looking for something to fish out of...other than another canoe or ponton for these lakes that do not permit gas motors on...and I didn't want to have to pay to register a boat with an electric motor...and it had to be portable enough, but big enough to stand up in...and could slide right into the back of my F150 without the need of a tail gate extender... and it had to be light enough to car top on my Jeep Rubicon...and the Old Town Sportsman PDL 106 fit the bill for me...I've owned her for two years now...I'm glad I bought her...even over the PDL 120 size...and I love them both...smiles

[@claudiaweber7011]

The Old Town 106MK is pretty dang awesome, I love it!

[@aarongreenlee7867]

Paul, that was a good review. I have had the Predator PDL 132 for a couple years now. I wish the Old Town Autopilot was in the budget! Weeds and lily pads are another negative for the pdls. It is easy to clear them, but it would be nice if there was a weed cutter feature so I didnt have to stop and pull the prop up.

[@paulglass7268]

It's true I had some of those issues on the frog pond but some of that's just the reality of running pedals through the gunk. Autopilot looks really cool!

[@ryant527]

One thing I do with varying success rate is pedal hard backwards when you get sense your propeller is getting caught in vegetation. I might really chug it in reverse as hard as you can for 3-4 spins. This usually clears my prop from grass/weeds without having to pick it up. Hope this helps!

[@aarongreenlee7867]

@@ryant527 I have tried thst with varying success. I appreciate the tip though.

[@sethcornelius875]

Every hobie I have owned and my buddy's own seem to fill with water. Never happened with my old town even with waves coming over the bow. It would be nice to have some sort of insert for the front hatch to stop stuff from falling into the back of the yak.

[@paulglass7268]

That's crazy, I've never had that happen once. But hey, maybe I'm just lucky!

[@EdwardClarkIII]

Interesting. The 360 drive sounds really nice but I love my sportsman.

[@paulglass7268]

Glad you do!

[@undercoverhipster4237]

I have the Old Town PDL106. Bought for this year and like it a lot.

[@paulglass7268]

Glad you're enjoying it'

[@ericevans4594]

Like your contents burly fishing 👍👍

[@Army_Outdoors_88N]

Awesome comparison. I would need to sit in each to see how well I balance

[@paulglass7268]

You'd be surprised!

[@willjunkin732]

Great review. Been waiting for this ever since I saw the pictures. Can you imagine if hobie and oldtown really teamed and designed a boat. 🤯 I have the pdl 120 and absolutely love mine. Moved up from a vibe yellowfin 120. Old town has its flaws but so does everything. But for the price you can not I don't care what anyone says beat it.

[@paulglass7268]

It's an extremely good value and a top yak, no doubt about it

[@zephyrus7258]

How did you like the vibe?

[@willjunkin732]

@@zephyrus7258 it was a good boat. I could not stand up in it. Well I could but was a little iffy at times. Tracked well in a straight line. Only major issue was it didn't have much contact to the water and if the wind was blowing you were all over the place. Don't get me wrong it was good but glad I upgraded

[@zephyrus7258]

@@willjunkin732 good to know. Thanks

[@Bassmaster-xd2pn]

Hard to find a flaw with hobies

[@jwestfishing3229]

Great video!; thanks so much. I am using a ram tube 2008 on a ball mount. The best part of it is that you can adjust your rod to any angle you desire. 😉

[@jeremyweller755]

Had a Hobie and sold it. Does not handle wind very well, had constant problems with the drive. Moved to a Bigwater 132 and like you said, Old Town is bullet proof. I can’t tell you how many local guys have constant issues with their hobies. They are so nice, but fragile to me.

[@paulglass7268]

I hear ya man, glad you found something you like!

[@sgbawg0]

The one thing the Hobie has over the bigwater 132 is the drive. The fins are shorter so you can navigate shallow waters better. I got caught out in the flats in low tide in my old town and i had to paddle 2 miles back to the launch. Either weeds clogging up drive or running aground. My friend in a hobie was able to pedal all the way back no problem.

[@briansupermag3918]

Great review. PERSONALLY I LOVE MY NEW PA14. Unbelievably fantastic.

[@paulglass7268]

Glad you're enjoying it!

[@myunghong9004]

Great comparison between two kayaks. Hobie is slow because of hull design too much water surface area contact and resistance hull. But it is the best stable hull. And has most torque than any system. I lost my hobie pa14 from fire. I still have 180 Mirage Drive and Vantage Seat. Now my problem is which Hobie kayak to get. I'm most interested in 360, but I find pa14 or 12 too heavy. Outback is all rounder and much lighter. Maybe use sidekicks for more stability. And no trailler for outback... My vantage seat for picnic..

[@aaanglers]

Dang! Sorry to hear about the fire!

[@jeffamorin3145]

Good review. Like the hobie..

[@paulglass7268]

Thanks! 🤘🏼

[@XploreAz]

I love my Old Town Sportsman BigWater 132 PDL. That's a mouthful.

[@paulglass7268]

Hahaha glad you like it, old towns are great!

[@yakfisherman1250]

I had a Predator PDL (I believe it is now called BigWater 132 PDL) for 3 years. I loved it but sold it for the reason it had a fixed high seat position. It was an awesome kayak in a calm condition, but it was very unstable in choppy condition. My buddies had an old Outback (about 3 yards on my left) and a PA14 (about 4 yards to my right), and we were talking and moving fast towards the beach in a choppy condition. My kayak was suddenly flipped in a surprise for all of us. I was flipped many times (on different days), but not my buddies. Well, I sold it.

[@XploreAz]

@@yakfisherman1250 I've been in some pretty choppy water in my BigWater (wake boats, houseboats, tour boats) and I find it very stable. Although, I am considering moving to an AutoPilot or Pro Angler for more deck space and even more stability.

[@MrWeirdBeard8]

Did you use two universal hobie mounts to install the fishfinder on the h rail? I really like that set up.

[@aaanglers]

Yup! Credit to Kristine Fischer and That Bass Dude

[@patcameron4959]

I absolutely love mine I had one issue it was warranted out and in 10 days my boat was back on the water and I haven't had an issue with it since mine is a 2020 And I always tell people yes it's a very expensive boat but the ultimate question if you had the money to go by it again would you my answer is always yes

[@Hi-EndFishing]

How does the chain anchor effect the maneuverability/handling of the kayak when not in use? I have 2 power poles on mine but need something else for deeper waters.

[@paulglass7268]

Nonexistent when under 5 lbs

[@noahbeu1515]

the word I would use to describe the front hatches is "water resistant" lol my main gripe with my old town is the "rod prep" thing they tried to do with the slots in the front and the part under the seat to hold the rod butts and keeps me from putting more storage under the seat

[@paulglass7268]

Yeah that was a little frustrating, but again for a 10ft boat, not bad at all

[@noahbeu1515]

@@paulglass7268 yea I have the 106 idk how many times I've been tempted to dremel out at piece under the seat and plastic weld it flat at the same time don't want to structurly destroy the kayak

[@paulglass7268]

@@noahbeu1515 lol I hear that!

[@SargesAdventures]

106PDL is a great boat... I have one but, the Hobie mirage drive is more efficient and faster for sure. Scientifically it is the most efficient drive out, proven by force and speed testing. Now, reliability and value... The PDL has it. I still run both my Hobie and my Old town, solid yaks for sure but your gonna pay a lot more for the Hobie and get less customer support and less reliability outta it.

[@grumpysgarage7276]

Very good video. Which Hobie model do you recommend that an Xi3 or Torqeedo can be added to, preferably an Xi3. I'm a 100% disabled vet and looking at using a motor as the primary power source with paddling/pedaling only as needed

[@paulglass7268]

The pro angler models would be great, can't speak to any others as I've never had them though

[@1STGeneral]

I'm in your same situation but will be on a rocky, shallow in places river. I started looking at jet propelled kayaks and here I am. Although more expensive a jet boat may be better suited for me

[@BrownBaitCo]

I thought about. Getting the 12ft Old town PDL but went with a 15ft Jon boat instead just made a little more sense for myself more space and the ability to bring a few people on it

[@flyflung]

Nice boats. You don’t need ten rods on the boat. Or even six. Two or three, sure. What you need is to practice tying knots. Thanks for the video.

[@the45er]

IMHO, the only advantage the Hobie has over the OT is the ability of the fin system which allows one to ease through weedy areas. However, it takes me a max of 15 seconds to lift the drive, clear weeds and redeploy. Again IMHO, much too much is made about the difference in the front end storage. I’ve never had a drop of water enter my hull. And when you consider the HUGE price difference, it’s a no brained for me!

[@rexking3698]

Question about the old Town kayak. If you're going somewhere super shallow and you are just going to paddle is there a cover for the pedal drive hole? Thanks in advance!

[@aaanglers]

You just lift it out and lock it in place. There are some aftermarket options.

[@rexking3698]

@aaanglers thanks. Are you referring to aftermarket solutions to cover the hole? I would just like to leave the pedal at home for some trips.

[@AndrewFromTN]

I'll probably pick up a Hobie PA one day, but I went with a Hobie Compass in the meantime. I don't have a truck so I have to car top the boat and the compass comes in at only ~60 lbs making it very easy to do so. I'd definitely recommend it to someone in a similar situation.

[@paulglass7268]

Smart!

[@sgbawg0]

I have the compass as well. Its a solid boat. No complaints really.

[@kevinredden7833]

Here's how I load my PA14 360 onto my car: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npjbcpVonahmqaM

[@casencazel5930]

I car top a pdl 120 in a Subaru forester right now. Ways to do it fairly easy but it’s double the weight of your compass 😅

[@chuckmatses6803]

The Hobie company should make a 10’ Pro Angler. It would outsell the larger models. Why the wait?

[@paulglass7268]

Not sure if they want to compete for those customers, probably still a +$4k boat but who knows

[@kevinredden7833]

I'm not so sure. I work at a dealer and the 14' PA outsells the 12' PA by at least 8:1. A 10' PA would be pretty slow!

[@Gator-xi2jq]

Old towns plastics doesn’t flex like hobies does. The sportsman 132 pdl is a fishing machine.

[@austinhall485]

Maybe just a candian thing but most kayaks we have here are all pelican, I have the catch 100 and love it even though it's cheap but it's 50 pounds at 10ft long and easy to throw on top of the car by a single person and was only 900$CAD new

[@paulglass7268]

Nothing wrong with that at all!

[@travelandfishing4535]

Nice

[@LifewithLewi]

Problem being in Australia is the hobie outback and the oldtown 106 there very simliar in price only $300au and the outback can go better in shallow water hhmmm being 5'5 a short bloke wanting tge 106 but then shallow water and have to spend alot more money in customisation

[@xNevlosx]

The sportman is not comparable to the Hobie. The price are in completely different leagues, comparable would be the the Autopilot 120.

[@paulglass7268]

Well, the idea is that the sportsman is a much cheaper pedal option but I hear what you're saying

[@danakinscheuer]

Too bad the lakes are frozen! They are gret!!

[@danielsherman2503]

Great video but the problem is that you are comparing a $2500 kayak to a $5500 kayak lol. I have the OT 106 powered and I love it. Weight is an issue as I have a bad back. I do love the Hobie but just too expensive for me.

[@paulglass7268]

Totally understand, tried to call the price differential out in the video. Not knocking Old Town at all just comparing common features

[@danielsherman2503]

@@paulglass7268 for sure the Hobie has some sweet features but it should for that price lol

[@paulglass7268]

@@danielsherman2503 100% 🤘🏼

[@joemartin6439]

Canadian in Florida Big Fish 120 motorized .

[@shaundendy2173]

I went with the Hobie pro angler 14 360 simply because of the stability and maneuverability. I fish both fresh and saltwater with it and most of the freshwater lakes I fish locally are covered in stumps. The boat is well worth the money spent in my opinion.

[@paulglass7268]

Good call

[@Mike-ew9zn]

Buy used and save huge money!

[@user-yu2xj8zw7r]

They need to cover how to move those heavy kyacks if u are only one person without pulling your back out

[@user-dm2fx2nt3c]

hobie pa14 🔥🔥

[@angertone213]

That boat looks like the Maserati version of a old town 120... the old town being a toyota camry at best and it's little brother the corolla lol.

[@derekjones1265]

old town

[@paulglass7268]

🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@stephenrobertson2397]

I put more rod holders from yak attack on mine and troll crank baits

[@progradepainting3755]

This really isn’t an apples to apples comparison. The predator pdl vs outback are the two closest to each other for this comparison I think.

[@markjohn8472]

I just got a Pro Angler 12 360XR about 3 weeks ago. It was GREAT for about two hours on the water. Then the 360XR wouldn't catch on the gears, and wouldn't stay straight. The whole thing was hellishly expensive, and two hours into it the drive just spins like a top--WHEN I'VE GOT IT LOCKED IN 'FORWARD ONLY' MODE!! Hobie has got to get a grip the the mechanics of this. I'm after my dealer now, it's NOT going to be pretty. The Hobie rep wouldn't even call me. It's infuriating.

[@aaanglers]

There is a reason we eventually sold our Hobie 360s... Had to get out of them. Posted some videos on that too

[@ChrisDavis333]

Wow, 14 feet?? Are you going to put a Mercury Verado 250 on it?

[@aaanglers]

Sure why not

[@thegreatpotatokitty8196]

dont think you mentioned one important factor for ppl buying a new yak, warranty. im having a hard time deciding who to give my money too and from what ive heard OT has much better warranties/customer service.

[@aaanglers]

Great point! We have made a lot of these videos and called it out in other ones. OT has the best warranty in the biz in our opinion. Some companies claim a good warranty, but when push comes to shove, they will not take care of you. Always look for reviews on warranty claims to see if they are legit.

[@FishYourHeartOut]

I already am dead set on a Oldtown sportsmen 120 PDL. Hobie is just to much weight for me and how often I go and priceyyyy.

[@paulglass7268]

Spendy and heavy without a doubt!

[@smokeytheangler8387]

for the price point. That hatch should be 100% dry. thats kinda crazy its not. or is it safe. if you flip, thats gunna flood with water and bye bye kayak.

[@paulglass7268]

Unsinkable design so no bye bye but if you flip the front hatch will have some water in it. Jeff and I tested haha.

[@smokeytheangler8387]

@@paulglass7268 well that makes me feel better! Still shocked on the none dry hatch though. Old town is a solid name in the game. And the mini collaboration is sick. I just never knew the front hatch isn't 100% tight.

[@Bassmaster-xd2pn]

Try flipping a pro angler

[@ROZDAB]

Unfortunately, the hobie cost so much money.

[@paulglass7268]

Not wrong lol

[@benruthlessburger8905]

Oldtown doesn’t glide as well as hobies and the 10.6 leaks a lot of water

[@_DD2024]

This is a comparison that shouldn’t have happened. Two completely different boats in regards to size. Why keep saying “ keep in mind one is 14’ and one is 10’ “ Exactly !! So why do the video ?

[@natalia-grace]

My husband and I both owned Hobie yaks, sold them and purchased the Old Town PDL 120. We love the PDL.. Hobie is over priced, and wasn’t for I’d..

[@TruckinRoundTv]

Just get a NuCanoe Unlimited wayyy better than both!

[@paulglass7268]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@pinoykayaker]

Hobies are easier and faster to resell and keep their value. So I buy them when I see them cheap and resell them for a profit. In the meantime I use them until I sell them. Other kayaks are harder to resell. If you can't afford a new Hobie save your money and buy them used. Use them until you're ready to resell and get your money back.

[@CaptainHookhatesBooks]

They're kayaks not boats.

[@aaanglers]

A kayak is a boat by definition. Quick google will show you that the term translates to “hunters boat”. Fyi. Call it what ya want

[@mikey-ps9vq]

Overpriced