Old World 1250 Point Battle Report: Wood Elves Vs Tomb Kings

[@ladykhaine1021]

Had so much fun making this batrep with the VT team. Loved playing Old World and can't wait to come back for a rematch!

[@LittlePeoplePainter]

Was lovely working with you! Super fun day

[@skeletonfish110]

Super fun game to watch with two friends!

[@amw1029]

Looked great but my pet ball Wilsun tells me that Not only have you got 3 deep wood scouts and the rules says it's a 0-1 choice. That the pointy eared god's themselves only know how many other rules you got wrong. But I have faith so I'll keep waiting impatiently for you to be as awesome as I hope you can be :p

[@Unaidedfoot]

Great fun report to watch as a new player.

[@await-rescue]

Quick rule you missed: even without a wizard you can attempt a fated dispel.

[@justinbarnes8834]

Not sure the charge in turn one was done properly as you are only allowed a single wheel when charging. This would have had to go over the edge of the wood.... and only contacted the skelly horses at the extreme end of the unit if at all otherwise there should have been some sort of testing or movement penalty? You must move through terrain to comply with the charging rules it it requires you to contact maximum models in the target.

[@7Cow7man7]

So stoked that VT is doing Old World content! The new game is bringing me back into the hobby after 13 years away.

[@VanguardTactics]

I think it's done that for a lot of us! it has for a lot of the team here at VT

[@jackn2462]

The more I watch other battle reports, the more I appreciate this one. Dice cam, throwing the chart up on the screen and the between turn reactions are all very nice touches. Looking forward to more!

[@foreverthesceptic7942]

I've watched a ton of battle reports recently for the old world and this is the best so far, especially for a beginner like me - very concise and clear! Would love to see some High Elves in action!

[@89odan]

Most of the time we just see you talking. It would be more entertaining to have more close ups on the battlefield/units imho. Just suggesting, thanks for the batreps 😃

[@VanguardTactics]

Thank you for the feedback, we will look at adding more close ups in future recordings, we don't normally do pre recorded battle reports but its something we have been working on to start becoming a regular feature on the channel, so appreciate the suggestion :)

[@jimboonlyone]

A speaking overview of each player, like you talk about the elves turn one, show the moves from above and speak in the mic as you do it?

[@themanabroad7800]

Agreed

[@editor2766]

It was a nice bat rep! But more close ups of those beautiful minis for sure

[@DrVitoti]

When you flee or pursue if you have swiftstride (like the dragon has) you can add 1D6, so that dragon would have caught the fleeing dryads. Also, if you want to restrain when the enemy falls back in good order, gives ground or flees, you have to pass a leadership test. Also you can't shoot into combat. Also, if you follow into an enemy that fell back in good order instead of restraining when you win a battle in your turn, next turn of combat you count as having charged instead of being charged yourself, so unless you no longer want to keep fighting that enemy or you don't think you can catch them (because they have swiftstride and you don't, so you might be making their next charge easier) it is usually always better to follow. Exceptions are if it is the opponent's turn because next turn you can shoot into the unit that fled or charge them yourself (although then they can choose to flee or shoot and hold if distance permits)

[@ComandaKronikk]

Man this was great, I wish you'd do more old world battle reports!! :D

[@paulpreston1569]

This is great! I love this style of video (a combo of straight battle report and also tutorial). I'd love to find something like this for Age of Sigmar games.

[@warpaintjj]

Not watched your channel for years, BUT Fantasy does it for me, the holy grail of Wargames ☺️ More please… 👏

[@LoneWolf40kPainting]

If you make tow content regularly I would gladly join!

[@theclovercross]

12:55 elf in the tower got tired of living haha

[@1Viewer_]

Loving this! and also loving the kind of "slow play", perfect tempo for my slow brain :) Hoping for more!

[@Guvguvmcguv]

More please. Most enjoyable.

[@dickie4559]

Happy with that! Very insightful. Was more of a walk through, talk through lesson. Which makes sense for the brand, though you're giving lessons away for free. Bit more sweeping over the battle field for emersion and visual indulgence would be ace.

[@dickie4559]

Like at the end of each turn before the sit down thought process. Have a load screen of sorts of the battle field being flown over, proper birds eye view, swooping for situational awareness. Only a thought.

[@Kajiyaification]

someone probably told you but you have to declare your after combat reaction before the opponent rolls his distance to run away

[@jeffreysoutherland774]

Great battle report!! Thanks for posting and please do more!!

[@Huronzo]

Wood elves have to include at least one unit of glade guard in their unit army composition I believe.

[@dennisbendixen7138]

very nice battle report. Is it not very risky without a wizard?

[@ДмитрийМайданов-л6ч]

It's not a batrep :( I see a dice tray and two people. And none of tablespace or units. I hear they discuss rules but see no action of miniatures. Like watching the radio

[@SlainByAnOrc]

You missed the Fated Dispel at 27:54

[@SlainByAnOrc]

The Bone dragon has Close Order, you missed the +1 combat res it gives at 33:17

[@SlainByAnOrc]

Missed armour bane 1 on the longbows starting at 39:37

[@SlainByAnOrc]

The dryads have been wounding the Bone dragon on 5s and it should be 6s. STR 3 V T5.

[@ja37d-34]

Oh yes, more The Old World. Much more fun than childish and dumbed down Farty K or Age of Trash.

[@DCPTF2]

seems to be a big lack of chess clocks in this video, just think of all those micro seconds you lost each turn

[@friendofyoda5194]

TOW ❤❤❤

[@Kollider115]

you guys should do some AoS too

[@VanguardTactics]

Its something the team would love to do in the future, so its 100% on the cards

[@Onk3lM0]

Quick rules correction: You don't get a regen (or any other save) if your units suffer damage due to the "unstable" rule. The Skeletons will just crumble to dust.

[@TheKApsFast]

Thank you mate 😅 i was going crazy thinking about how many skellys i could have saved!!! After the first fight I stopped the video and searched all the rules trying to figure out this clarification

[@brentwalker3465]

I can't get over that I am watching warhammer the old world on KZbin again! Thanks guys n gals for a fantastic video!

[@windowlicker2846]

Are you guys planning more regular Old World content? This is the best produced video I've seen so far.

[@VanguardTactics]

That's amazing thank you! we put a lot of effort into this video, but we most definitely are, what factions would you like to see?

[@markvanhorn426]

Tomb Kings and High Elves for me!@@VanguardTactics

[@spyrojoe4721]

@@VanguardTactics vampire counts!

[@Romancenturion-no3cm]

Bretonnia would be awesome!@@VanguardTactics

[@landerbennewith6169]

@@VanguardTactics Yes, I would like to see factions! I might be able to narrow it down. High elves would be awesome, more wood elves are always great! Might as well round off the trifecta and go for the Druchii as well! Then you can't play The Old World without bretonia and tomb kings. Then why play tomb kings if not to play the rotten inherritors of Nagash in the Vampire Counts? So we need those guys in. If you've got the vampire counts then you're gonna need a conflict with the Empire and even their ancient allies of the Dwarfs. Then with the Dwarfs on the table how can you not do a battle against the Orcs and Goblins? With Orcs and Goblins on the table, you really need a battle of muscle meets fat, or little goblin horde vs big beefy boys by getting the ogre kingdoms on the table. If you've got the ogre kingdoms then you've really got to include the other bestial faction in the Beastmen so they need to be involved. If you've got beastmen you need the faction which is totally just a different type of beastman in the Skaven. If you're bringing Skaven and their warp majiks then you're gonna have to include the forces of Chaos ready to take that warp stone. Warriors dwarfs and daemons alike! If chaos is there then you need a battle against their ancient foe in the lizardmen. You just can't narrow it down.

[@XciccibonziX]

The Wood Elves list was not legal unfortunately. It should have included a unit of Glade Guard, which are 1+ in the army selection. Great battler report though, keep it up :)

[@khristienpennanen1810]

There were definitely lots of little things but also they were open about that at the beginning. That 2nd wild rider charge was definitely not legal haha

[@Mithguar]

@@khristienpennanen1810 not legal or would that be disorderly charge or something (no bonuses)? Don't have book so no idea about actual rules on turns on charges.

[@grindcoredome]

Yep. 1 Of those Deepwood scouts should have been Glade Guard. 😂 but the attitude is positive and the edition it’s clean. Kudos!

[@dennismaddox3869]

Isnt Glade Guard a 1+ so you have to take at least 1 unit?

[@ieatlols]

Yea you're right

[@Vladthemetalhead]

Also deepwood scouts have a limit of 0-1 per 1000pts However this is a very complicated game and we all all going to make mistakes in our first few games (at a very minimum) Great work guys BTW love the vid and love old world being back

[@82Naitsabes]

​@@VladthemetalheadDeepwood Scouts are also on the special list with no limit, that might do it.

[@karlaldridge4848]

You need to look at the units as they fight or it gets very confusing. Great work showing new rules and breakdowns though. 👌

[@Tideriongaming]

Not a warhammer expert by any means, but from what I've seen on other streams: -I don't believe regeneration saves applying to crumbling. Whatever you lose due to combat resolution is just lost. -Her reincarnation during the strategy phase requires a leadership check, which she didnt' seem to be making.

[@masterwesty]

I can’t find anywhere where it says regeneration isn’t allowed due to wounds lost by unstable. In 8th edition and before I’m sure it stated no saves can be made to prevent the wound.

[@Tideriongaming]

@@masterwesty Perhaps GW could clarify this in a FAQ, but the way I read it, regeneration applies to combat results, and the wounds allocated by the Unstable rule are non-combat. Wounds-after-the-fact if you would like.

[@masterwesty]

@@Tideriongaming it makes sense the way you’re explaining it and I think that’s how it is intended but it isn’t clear.

[@Tideriongaming]

@@masterwesty I could well be wrong, but that's the general consensus so far and it makes the most sense, otherwise I don't know why regenerations would count for combat results. I don't see them purposefully allowing regeneration to double dip on what's essentially the same damage, but perhaps GW needs to release an official FAQ on this.

[@TheMrSlize]

Keep in mind that when you loose combat, and opponent unit strength is twice or more, theres no fall back in good order, it then becomes Break & Flee. ( about driads falling back in good order ) Otherwise i really liked the montage and form of this. Only thing i would mention is maybe to show more of these nice models and table

[@oleksandranisimov1627]

Driads have stubborn special rule

[@TheMrSlize]

​@@oleksandranisimov1627 Stubborn only apply to first lost combat, later you loose it (whatever you use it or not) He made multiple fallback in good order with them. Its fine, everyone need to play few games to grab the rules

[@FootofPork]

whoops. might wanna reread front/flank/rear rules for charges. Those wildriders were in the chariot's front arc on the second wildrider charge. Awesome video nonetheless.

[@robertgeroux359]

Big thanks for keeping things simple and going slow as we all ease (back) into the Old World. Rules feel familiar but this report also felt kind of like a tutorial, which is very much appreciated. Also, love the edited battle reports keep them coming that format! I know it more work for VT but the end product is so crisp!

[@rorck9876]

When the tomb kings gets the inestability, should they get the regeneration? i thought its only when they are saving regular or magic attack

[@tahnsau]

Thanks for this. I like how you both walked through the steps so even new players, or players looking to start can keep up. I know you mentioned you both were new as well, but it really helps. Also, great commentary. I could hear and understand both of you, which other channels can't seem to make happen. It's little things like that that will set this channel apart. Thanks again.

[@MalignMusings]

Wood elf army list was illegal. That was not a flank charge on the chariots, the wild riders were clearly in the front arc. Forgot fated dispel. You don't seem to have taken fear or terror tests. You probably need to reread step up as I'm not sure 2 dryads have 12 attacks. Stomps from monsters against non monsters have ap2. Instability just removes models, no regeneration allowed. I could go on...

[@themidnightaristocrat]

Justice for Chloe!

[@raphaeloudsen7826]

@@themidnightaristocrat I think Chloe needed to take ld tests for the arise to work (getting models back from the dead).

[@LordMacragge31]

dont you have to take 1+ unit of glade guard for wood elves?

[@SlainByAnOrc]

Why cant anyone play this game correctly?

[@jacobeliasson8665]

Had the same question. Glad to see someone already did it

[@TheKiira25]

Sad for the Wood-elf falling at 12:52, RIP Qulathis 🥲

[@LittlePeoplePainter]

😂 some emergency surgery was done ☠️

[@SnowElf_96]

Happy to eat Old World back. Wish Dark Elves and other factions made it in but im happy with Wood Elves and High Elves being back.

[@Keplaves]

Would the horse archers against the wild riders have fought back as you removed the front row and in old world there is no stepping up? Just checking! Great report though, thanks both.

[@Mithguar]

Same questions. Obviously some people are mixing interactions form Fantasy Battle that might not be a thing anymore in Old World so conformation would be in appreciated.

[@grlmgor]

If you step up into the front rank you don't get to attack. Also horse archer cant attack in 2 ranks. Only the horsemen can if they haven't move and have cavalry spears.

[@stphndxn]

Thank you so much for creating this battle report, Vanguard Tactics! I absolutely love that you're creating The Old World content, and I can't wait to see more! I also love the cutaways too. 😁

[@francois-albertlaurent9715]

Very cool to have you play Old World. Would love to see you master the rulles a bit more though. A few important mistakes, but it's your first game, so no worries there.

[@jensbalslev4693]

Great to see Old World-content! More, please!

[@MrGilmo88]

Great game, great format and great visuals. Loved it! Keep it up and make sure to make Chloe a regular!

[@l.d.6841]

I loved the BR so much fun to watch! Thanks a lot for putting the effort! One wish: it would be so nice to see the units fighting with a quick close-up from time to time. Over the course of the game I really lost the idea where which unit was and how the unit strenghts developed. Unfortunately, from the distance and hidden behind the trees I couldn't see anything really

[@xenosophont]

Battle reports for this kind of regiment based mass battle wargame really benefit from a top down camera view or a similar angle that can show what is where. I couldn't make out the positioning of the units (again; crucial for this kind of game unlike 40K) here because of your camera angle and all the terrain blocking the view.

[@stephenleggett4243]

Loving seeing all the channels showing Old World and nice to see something a little different with the Wood Elves.

[@seppbrandner]

Love the batrep!! Keep the old word battles coming ❤

[@GaryP336]

Ngl. A lot of rules gotten wrong in this

[@Y3llowSt4r]

More Old World plz

[@CLAREROMVoid]

I thought you guys only did 40K. Glad you're covering OW too. Some lizardmen next perhaps?

[@Lollix87]

Loved to see my wood elves on the action! I normally don't watch long videos above 1hr, but here you got me watch all of it! ❤

[@jens176]

More old world!!❤❤

[@VHSlaughterFest]

Loved this batrep, awesome job! Can’t wait for more of these, keep up the good work 💪

[@sam-6008]

I forget how 'non-killy' this game is, especially in comparison to 40k. Does anyone else find it slow?

[@Stonehorn]

You guys need trays. Those were some real loose moves. Also, foirst turn, you roll your charge, then before you move in, she gets her charge reaction. If she had decided to flee, you would have needed your full movement. I think even skirmishers block line of sight to their back ranks (but not on a hill).

[@crisisgear]

As long as skirmishers can draw a line between a gap between friendly models in their unit, they may shoot.

[@PMMagro]

Great armies and board :) nice video too. I might have to look trhough my crytp because I know there are som Tomb Kings down there...

[@adamvasey4174]

Amazing! More please!!!

[@GilthosDrakoniss]

👍

[@AnHourOfWolves]

So, about that charge into the side of the chariots.... I thought that the chariot that got destroyed in the initial charge would make it so that none of the tomb kings could fight back, since that chariot was the only one on the front rank. Is that correct? There is no step-up rule anymore right?

[@lolpop4030]

Good video. Educational

[@danielwhite7297]

Yes! Yes! and YEESSS! More Old World please! So hyped for it!

[@michaelholmes2607]

I would definitely love more of this content please! Army wise love to see Bretonians as that’s the army I’ll be playing with in Old World

[@crisisgear]

O also turn 2 you put the wild riders in the flank of the chariots on their charge, you put the charge angle on the defending unit not the assaulting unit. So I believe they would of been in the chariots front arc. Also aren't dryads flammable so no regen against dragons breath? Seems you were both enjoying it though, which is good :)

[@SlainByAnOrc]

The dragon breath is not a flaming attack.

[@teessidetyrants1989]

Great video. So excited for the old world. Thanks team

[@andrew53519]

First time I ever watched your battle reports and it’s incredible! Great commentary and for someone interested but who doesnt fully know the rules you explained so much so efficiently as you went about each turn. Thank you and can’t wait to watch more! Subscribed!

[@redxarmy7807]

When I first got into Warhammer I wanted to play Old World however I heard it was gone and Age of Sigmar was the new thing. I'm super happy now they got this game back! Even though I can't play my Skaven or Lizard men. Tomb Kings is my third favorite faction and I'm glad they have support!

[@editor2766]

You absolutely can play your skaven and lizardmen, just not at tournaments. The legacy rules are great!

[@Friendlyfanatic]

Wild riders would have been forced to overrun when killing the horse archers as they have frenzy

[@brucelim8574]

Great batrep can't wait to see more

[@crisisgear]

Remember if the kills are equal or greater than the front rank (generally), the enemy may not retaliate apart from their champion (unless they don't have one, or some attacks were declared against the champion and killed it).

[@grlmgor]

Unless they start with 3 ranks or more.

[@crisisgear]

@@grlmgor The amount of ranks doesn't matter for fighting back, the unit replaces the casualties by stepping forward, if a model has stepped forward it may not attack.

[@grlmgor]

@@crisisgear Only if their stepping forward into the *front rank* So if you have a unit of spearmen that lost the whole front rank. The 2nd rank doesn't get to attack but the 3rd rank steps up into the 2nd and does get to attack.

[@crisisgear]

@@grlmgor Hence why I said generally :P

[@jolamber]

Very cool

[@hansjohannsen6722]

Heard about this somewhere? Go Bots! Well Bone Bots!

[@AnHourOfWolves]

Yeeeeesssssssssss! Thanks for posting. :)

[@acefromspace5843]

Really enjoyed this, easy to follow how this new version of the game is played.

[@ImaginationHobbies]

Yes! OLD WORLD CONTENT!

[@AquitaineUA]

Love it!!!! New subscriber!!

[@ivanp8]

Good Video. I have a question. We Know that a Unit can adopt only Formation in his Special Rule. Now. We Know that a Close Order Formation is composed of 2 or MORE model in Ranks and Files. Well. Dragon Ogre can only adopt Close Order, but if i want i can also purchase just one 1 Dragon Ogre. So what Formation will the Dragon Ogre have? I Remember that He is not a Heavy Chariot, he is not a Monster, he is not a Character...

[@martyp00s]

Skeletons cause FEAR. No falling back in good order when you lose combat vs enemies that cause fear. You flee

[@DwainiacWarhammer]

Oh God is auto break against fear causing enemies still a rule? That is horrible to go up against

[@jinkxy2370]

@@DwainiacWarhammer i think its only if the fear causing unit has MORE unit strength. i could be wrong though since i dont have the rulebook yet myself.

[@Linkusmax]

Fear has no impact on FBIGO.

[@claysimpkins7490]

​@@LinkusmaxFBIGO? what is that?

[@curticusmaximus]

​@@claysimpkins7490fall back in good order

[@philipbowles5397]

Several rules issues I noticed: The Wood Elf list wasn't fully legal - the army needs 1+ units of Glade Guard. In practice this just means that one of the Deepwood Scout units would have been 2pts cheaper per model and lost skirmish, which could have usefully put points towards more Dryads (those were the unsung heroes - they're remarkably resilient). As far as I could tell, you never rolled to restrain when choosing not to follow up a withdrawing unit.

[@lolpop4030]

More wood elves

[@_Bayul]

So at how many points per army am I looking at? ~1200?

[@VanguardTactics]

1250points in this game :)

[@lordravenblade]

Wish I had a copy of the rulebook, but doesn't the loose formation or whatever the TK light cavalry have allow the whole unit to shoot? I thought they basically got "skirmish without being spaced out" or maybe I'm thinking of the Fast Cavalry rule from some other edition.

[@Grievas85]

I really loved the rule scraps that you put on video during every safe. Really useful as I've never played Warhammer before and that helped a lot. Great idea!

[@VanguardTactics]

Glad to hear it!

[@airjamy]

To be expected, but a lot of rules were played incorrectly. Fear checks were nonexistent in this game. Reread those rules. It also matters for break checks. Check the rules on front/side charges. A lot of flank charges were not flank charges. You do not get regens for unstable wounds. Fated dispell was also missed. I do think those wild riders should have started to roll panic checks at some point right for heavy casualties, could have mattered quite a bit.

[@ja37d-34]

Nice table! Looking great. Wood Elves are a bit gay but that´s okay.. ;) I used to like them but they are too annoying to play agauinst so... O&Gs for me 100% these days.

[@RekisDiabetis]

Love this, very well made and great to see my beloved Wood Elves in a game :) BUT; I miss seeing more of the board and which models/units are actually fighting, more of that rather than the constant focus on the players even though they were great..

[@HuguettePhalange-st1pe]

Fantastic, I hope you will do more in Fantasy. You should try Middle Earth SBG sometime, really fun and unique system, more complex.

[@allanblack2793]

Let’s see more Old World content 👍👍

[@leichtmeister]

Your Wood Elves army is illegal. You have to take 1+ units of Glade Guard. Also, no regeneration saves on the wounds caused by unstable.

[@alfredodimonte3969]

I think the wild riders got too many attacks. They have 1 plus 1 each when charging and the champion 2+1. You definetly rolled too many dice

[@D00Dable]

Just a suggestion - give us a better view of the battlefield. With the camera on the players and those huge terrain features we can't see the units.

[@kevincoils1941]

The wood elf army being illegal makes me happy. Good to know everyone else is getting things wrong as well. (Glade guard are 1+ so there needs to be a unit in every wood elf army)

[@MarkAndTerra]

Some other things missed: Terror test when the Dragon charges. Leadership Test to restrain after winning combat. Fear Test when charging a unit with a higher Unit Strength or when in Combat with a Fear unit that has a higher Unit Strength. Dragon has Regen 5+ I believe.

[@mathijsdooms5158]

I think at 11.45 minutes there is a mistake. Non of the horeriders could fight back because thé wood elves wiped out the entire front rank.

[@irbiskronos1710]

Great report! Could you please tell me which sets the elven units are from? I am especially interested in the cavalry and the general? Thank you!

[@jango268]

Subbed to this channel hoping fornmore old world content! Just some more close up glory shots of the models and this would be near perfect! Great batrep!

[@Gazjames1]

Apologies but I don’t know the rules yet. Do the wood elves not need to be in close formation? I notice they were moved individually and spaced out.

[@mockduckcompanion]

Would love to see more like this, but perhaps with some zoom photography of the units in combat? A bit hard to see the action at times Otherwise, love this format