Old World Helena, Montana

The capitol city in the state of Montana. Much more than a wild west gold rush town....
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[@scottbaker-ScottyB]

I research every city referring to real estate prices in the USA alone and something very interesting I found is that these old world buildings and bridges etc are absolutely in every small town and large city in America alone !

[@nextup6074]

PLEASE shut up, foo!

[@bawb450]

All beautiful architecture tied to gov, banks & church

[@stephaniefox860]

Yes! My experience too.

[@dankoston2904]

I grew up 30 miles east of Cleveland in Painesville Ohio. Cleveland and Painesville both full of old eyes buildings.

[@murtze2998]

Great video! I’m from Montana and have been trying to get Jon Levi to do a video about Helena, and MT all around. I’ve seen a lot of these structures first hand. They used placer mining in Helena to help found it. It is the same structure on that corner building. They said it is rebuilt after fires and earthquake. I have an old photo of some beings in Helena that are taller than humans. It’s totally a trip. It’s from that website as she was.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

Hi there….fellow Montanan here….from Helena….I directed Jon Levi to look at the Broadwater Natatorium, which he did cover in a small segment of one of his videos….I was hoping it would tease him into checking out the rest of the community but he hasn’t done it yet… we have so much history up here and so much unexplored….heck, I’m an old lady and even still I learn something new and fascinating….and I’m leaning toward being a part of an old empire that once thrived here at some point in history….by and of whom? That’s what people are trying to learn….peace in your world and journey…..oh, what photo are you referencing? I am on that website often, know it well….wondering what I missed….

[@brando36922]

They also did the movie with Robert Redford in helena I don't think that location was a coincidence .

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 …I bet I know the bookstore…..they started all that stuff in the 90s but didn’t call it Pride at the time…..I saw what was coming….

[@riflebear1711]

​@@sparklesparklesparkle6318should have burned it all. Fuckin sodomites.

[@createa.googleaccount713]

Great Share, thanks

[@yellowcat1310]

I've come to the realization that there was no wild wild west

[@karmenchristensen9845]

I agree. When growing up, westerns were some of the first tv shows. 60s and 70s. “Programs” trying to teach us their stories.

[@Lelabear]

@@karmenchristensen9845 Before that was Buffalo Bill and his travelling Western circus. They were even at the Columbian Expo in Chicago.

[@1973f]

I grew up in Helena. I never understood the grand artecture. I took an elective in middle school called Helena History, but that just made me wonder even more. It is definitely an otherworldly place.

[@sidpheasant7585]

Father Stu was there, I believe, which just adds to what you say!

[@stefanichim9342]

Great video ! I find it very funny the fact that the people who paid for all those magnificent buildings, didn't care at all about the landscape! In most of the old pics, there is a lack of vegetation, no trees at all, and in some, just a few trees, clearly planted recently!

[@vapormissile]

Ooh, i had a trippy underground experience in a storm drain in Helena: At the time, it was a superficially normal exploration. But it was really more like an allegory or a fun-house walk. It dead-ended at an odorless oddly-lit white tile foyer that appeared flooded with sewer water with poop and everything. No smell, & the floor was clean. White-tile movie theater looking stairs descended into the poop water, & i could see down a few feet. The water was calm & clear. The area was odd & out if place. I eventually gave up looking for secret doors & climbed out the handy nearby metal ladder rungs. It had a manhole cover that j could lift. When i emerged onto the street level, it was in a city park with a view on the grand Masonic lodge. It was all lit up & imposing. I felt like if i had made the secret sign or password, the sewer water would have drained out & the curtain would have opened. Dancing Oompaloompa chorus line or something. Montana is weird.

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Neat ty.

[@nextup6074]

You just stumbled across your DNA.

[@vapormissile]

@@nextup6074 it did taste familiar

[@pookiec111111]

As a MT resident, ITS ABOUT TIME!! N THANK YOU

[@cathychilders5109]

Great video on Helena, MT. The more of these videos I watch, the more I’m convinced that “THEY” have been lying to us about our past.

[@timothydillow3160]

At exactly 7:18 mark you see the cables used to pull the facades off the buildings, like they did in San Francisco and Long Beach erfquakers. Nothing inside seems to be affected.

[@oldworldex]

You and me both!

[@mickguadagnoli8779]

​@@timothydillow3160wooow..good eye!!

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

History= His story.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

…shortly after this mark they report those left homeless, particularly a few hundred orphans who were then boarded in train cars…..huh….that’s new news to me….it was always the story that the new high school was damaged and STUDENTS were taught their classes in train cars…..so who are all these orphans? The orphan trains definitely came to Helena, but I’ve never heard this ‘homeless orphans living on trains because of the earthquake’ story before….I’m from Helena ….

[@RestoringReality]

They could have moved the entire town into the library and still had a room leftover for the books.

[@JamieCrain5349]

I appreciate you putting your time into making these videos.

[@oldworldex]

My pleasure!

[@brian-te4xs]

I Like the music for the videos and always the content and narration. Always respectful in tone. The best videos are the ones with the city maps involved.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

Thank you for covering Helena…..it is my hometown and it’s filled with old world buildings…..my research has uncovered numerous lies that have been told regarding the ‘discovery’ of the region and more lies regarding its development …of course, when lies were told about the people who developed the area, well, what do you expect?

[@dankoston2904]

One of my best friends on the ship in the Navy was from Helena. I wish I could remember his name. He's a diesel mechanic. I told him I'd come and visit him when I got out of the Navy but after breaking my neck that idea never happened. I did go to get to Montana do work on an oil exploration crew for a few months. I did not make it to Helena though. I never had any idea they had buildings like that. There are several old-world buildings in my hometown Painesville Ohio

[@AlphaFlight]

Incredible. The same architecture everywhere

[@rendergartenarts]

Then, you look at a place like Garnet Ghost town, which would have been 'Booming' at the same exact time period, yet all the buildings are straight up log cabins.

[@thegoodobserver]

I live in an old mining town in Idaho. They saved the original town hall from the 1860s and it's a wooden shack. Doesn't make sense if they were building all these beautiful buildings only a few hours away. Not to mention this town was originally the capitol of Idaho. It probably was the capitol until they found Boise with all it's beautiful old world buildings. Something like that maybe.

[@robintobol226]

I lived in Helena all my life. I never thought much about the buildings. But you are right. My grandfather was born in1889 in Helena. I wished I could of asked him these questions. 19:23

[@JL-pl3yf]

I saw on another channel like yours that these "bird's eye" view maps of our towns are probably made by real estate auctioneers as a brochure to sell a newly discovered town. Old photos of towns always show muddy streets and no people. There is definitely something going on! Thanks for your video.

[@chrisshotwell4442]

The photos show no people because the people are often moving and don't get captured in the 20-second exposure unless they stood still.

[@tsijr915]

@@chrisshotwell4442 but would show lots of blur if there was a robust city, and Camera technology is actually much older, in fact, video, MUCH older than photography it self itseems. You want to see it? its actually in Texas, Smithsonian institution. The sad part is i have no reference #No. to call up to look at it. they will show people anything, they don't care. people like us are no threat, the only downside, we need a ref# number for them to locate it it. they store crap like the va-ti-can but instead of books, its objects and old electric furnurses from the 1700 dated. ~

[@krisb3417]

​@@chrisshotwell4442No. If you research the history of the camera you'll find out that cameras shutter speeds were actually a lot faster than most think. Very interesting.

[@styracosaurusqvt4841]

@@chrisshotwell4442Wrong.

[@brianroberts5048]

My 2x great uncle William O Williams was originally from Bangor, North Wales and worked as a miner in most of the mines in tthe territory before settling at a Ranch near Jefferson City. He was known as Captain Billy Williams. His obituary in the Helena Daily Independent dated October 11th 1928 states that he owned a quarry near Helena and quarried many of the rocks used in Helena buildings, including what used to be called the American National Bank and the old Lewis and Clark County Jail.

[@jonerickson2358]

WOW!!! We moved to Helena in 1948. My father, G.V. Erickson, was 4F for WWII and so had gotten his Masters in Education. He had administrated schools across northern Montana from the 1930's and moved to Helena to be principal in four or five elementary schools (Broadwater, Hawthorn, Emerson, Jefferson) at the same time for the baby boom in 1951. He eventually was Principal of the Junior High (In the old High School) before we moved to the College in Bozeman. I attended Broadwater, Hawthorn, and the Junior High with either my father or uncle as Principal for my first 7 years in school. Broadwater had a ramp that led to the basement and for many years I had nightmares about that ramp. I also remember vividly, Vigilante Days with the incredible parade. On that day, students in my dad's schools were allowed to wear their six guns to school, but had to leave them hung up on the coat pegs in the hall. I have often wondered what my dad thought walking down that hall at Broadwater with a hundred six shooters hung in holsters. We were dismissed at noon and hastened home to go down Last Chance Gulch to watch a parade that lasted about two hours with high school classes making floats, Helena High and Catholic School bands, the National Guard with color guard and band and even an occasional tank on a truck (to protect the asphalt streets). Several of the local rancher families rode in the parade with matching Palominos or other horses and silver saddles and matching costumes. My Uncle, A.G. Erickson had also been Principal and eventually moved to be Helena's long time Superintendent of Schools. He was a long time resident of The Montana Club, just down from the Post Office, a private men's club built by wealthy miners and having one of the best kitchens in Montana. He oversaw the destruction of some of those schools you picture and the building of many new ones. I particularly remember his pride over the C.R. Anderson School (C.R. was a close family friend to both my dad and uncle.) I learned to swim at the old YMCA's indoor pool and remember as a small child feeling our house out by Carroll College go bump a few times with small quakes. Two quick notes: It is pronounced SHOW-TOE, and PLAAA CER (a kind of mining operation taking gold from the creek.)

[@dankoston2904]

Great story thank you so much! Call I love it when people tell their stories. I especially liked the part about the six guns.

[@nottodaymfnottodaymf9773]

So instead of a fire they had an earthquake and your content is spot on dude 😅

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

The 1870 census reflects 2377 population, not the 3100 listed in wiki…..and I don’t know exactly what they determined to be Helena….I believe they included numerous people from outlying valleys and such to be included in the Helena census…it could mean the whole county…..so NEVER trust the numbers…..at any rate, there wasn’t enough people, men, to build all these structures in Helena and around the state at the time, let alone men qualified in construction of this caliber. P.S. I am from Helena and have felt the conflict for 50 years between what I was told and what I was seeing…delving into its history has divulged many lies and secrets in its past…we’ve been totally lied to, but the truth is coming out.

[@coreymulvey6141]

It’s hilarious how you people think you’re absolute experts on everything to do with history and architecture. “There wasn’t enough people…”. How the hell do you know that? I mean do you think a basic construction job needs more than 100 men or so? How can you possibly think these ordinary stone structures using basic architectural techniques that had already existed for hundreds of years are somehow ancient structures built by a lost civilization because you’re too lazy to try and understand how they were made. And too stupid to realize how ridiculous your conspiracy is.

[@DallasGunther]

I recall when first visiting Helena, for work not sight seeing, I thought "why in the hell is this town the state capital?" It just seemed so isolated and unreachable were it not for an interstate leading to it. Certainly before the road was built it would have been a difficult journey to such an un-strategic location. On a following visit I found myself gazing up at the capital building perched up above the bulk of the city. It is an imposing structure. And both then, as well as now, it just didn't really make sense how or why such a hulking building would be there. It seemed really odd though until recently I had no idea why. I'm from the greater Salt Lake City area and stumbled upon John Levi's channel and it really blew open some doors for me. Being from a lower middle class family with no connections to money and power the world was presented to me as a simple and free place of opportunity. That naivety was shattered some time ago and I'm aware of the extent those whom hold power are willing to go to maintain that power. Lies are only the tip of that iceberg. It's not an easy task to get anyone to re-evaluate the world around them. Nobody wants their paradigm destroyed, it's a damned uncomfortable place to be when that happens but if we wish to truly know freedom it's a process that must be completed by all. And speaking of liars, the LDS temple in Salt Lake has been under renovation for about five years and even though they have tried to keep the prying eyes of the public off of the building it's been revealed that there are at least two more stories beneath the street level of that building. The fairy tale told by Mormons just got even more ridiculous. A handful of pioneers could NEVER have constructed such a building. And id wager against anyone being able to replicate such grandeur by anyone currently. Sorry for running on but I guess my point is that all the lies are crumbling and that's good because if I hate one thing it's that I hate being lied to. Thanks for helping expose some of the deception.

[@oldworldex]

Thanks for your comment...

[@yellowcat1310]

I see in the first picture a team of horses or mules hitched up to a couple wagons. The man driving the horses is called a teamster. the Truck Driver's Union today is named after them. he has 20 mules to haul 2 wagons. today he'd be a truck driver hauling doubles. not really a lot of bricks and big cut stones could be put onto those wagons to haul stuff to the build sites.

[@vickyhorton9083]

My family is from Charlotte NC. My great grand was born in 1863. The one room school with a pot belly stove, well & out house have been preserved by the state. I thought the east was developed and we went west. And yes I believe our history is a total lie. Thank you

[@frankbelgarde1379]

I grew up in Helena. Two things to keep in mind about Helena. At the time covered in this video it was the wealthiest city in the country. Think Musk, Beazos, Finke, Munger etc. in one place at the same time. Second the population isn't just Helena but many communities like Maryville. Maryville is essentially a ghost town but it used to have thousands in it.

[@IWantToKnow2]

Regarding Chinese tunnels... there were also some in Butte, My hubby used to be able to access them in the 70s. the entrances are all closed down now. It was mostly opium dens.... closet size rooms with a bench to "sleep" on while wasted.

[@gmh.]

I grew up in great falls montana until age 10. I remember seeing the county courthouse and thinking it was very impressive. There is also an old train station which qas once considered the nicest one between chicago and one in washington but was long out of commission. Also, great falls boasts one of the most magnificent old high schools in montana--you know one that went through a evolution and got a massive clock tower since they needed that so bad in the early 1900s. Also, at one time the city was known as the electric city becuz of all the hydroelectric dams on the Missouri river running through it. Currently, great falls hosts one of the largest sub terrainian nuclear arsenals in the country at malmstrom air force base.

[@TheNeilandBobShow]

I've heard a bunch of rumors about Malmstrom, you mention subterranean, I've heard that Malmstrom is one of the major connection points for the entire underground tunnel network that runs under the US. Also, I've heard that Malmstrom is a training ground for experimental aircraft/drones and also a staging ground for planning "alien" abductions and sightings. Also, Malmstrom only houses one air plane, pretty strange for an Air Force Base....

[@pookiec111111]

​@@TheNeilandBobShow cite your source...

[@gmh.]

@@TheNeilandBobShow interesting 🤔 Also, one of the military sightings involving UFO happened at Malmstrom involving all systems going offline in the presence of a UFO. Yea, I'm not sure about whether nukes even exist anymore who knows what is going on out there.😆

[@nextup6074]

@@TheNeilandBobShow Yes, dear....and Donald Trump is the Second Coming. Fer' sure!

[@mond000]

Looks to be repopulated in the 1930s, after they dug out and refurbished the antediluvian buildings. They blamed the destruction on an earthquake that may or may not have really happened. Many such cases, but sometimes it's a fire.

[@pammatiti]

I think its an actual sinking of the land/earth, sort of like quick sand or liquefaction. Had a dream after I moved here to SW Montana that I was driving along down one of the dirt roads, looking at a map, and suddenly I just fall into a huge sink hole of sorts, Lol. And the map goes flying, very scary dream. Lots of old world buildings here, mansions galore, mining town, known as the richest hill on Earth. I know Anaconda just basically a cow/horse farm pasture, no reason to have such grand buildings there. At one point when workers/miners came from all over the world here, the towns population was 100,000 or more, not now.

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Florida went with fire and storm's.

[@hurradurra4337]

I wish to convey that this very high and large building styling is something that speaks to me. It gives me a feeling of nostalgia, an astute yearning recognition of something that I've had but now is lost. I will also add that I've have had dreams a few times of such buildings too, but even higher and larger ones, that connect like a city with sky bridges. Take from this what you may.

[@oldworldex]

I can relate...thanks for sharing..

[@Scottish-tart]

I believe my grandmother lived in Helena when she was a teenager. She died in 1999 at 93 yrs of age. She gave me a small very old pine china hutch that was taken from a house they lived in that was due to be torn down, I estimate the hutch to be around 2 hundred yrs old, maybe more. It was obviously hand-made and has leaded glass. My mother was born in Billings in 1924. She died in 2019.

[@TheNeilandBobShow]

I live in Billlings, that court house is know where to be found but the Moss Mansion downtown is pretty impressive for a mini-castle that couldnt have been built the way were told...

[@Andy_Holmes]

I grew up in Billings. There's a few other old world style buildings still around town beside the moss mansion. There's no way they were all built when the place only had like 8,000 residents.

[@sistrbrb1378]

Same type of buildings in Boonville, Missouri & turned into YMCA also. Buildings look as if they have been there for hundreds of years. Also, Madison Wisconsin...went through there on a trip & walking in old downtown, the pillars were massive marble & structures felt as if they were from some other ancient culture. They placed same type of photos/postcards in museum too, like a photo was taken of a painting whereby people & things were painted into scenes. Kind of eerie, like we were too small & out of place there. Building doors were massive on some structures. And yet another place, downtown Welch, WV... lots of very old buildings that look very out of place & from another culture/era. Todah!

[@oldirtyshinobi420]

Weird. My native friends on several reservations here in Montana who’s ancestors have lived here before the Europeans got here, COMPLETELY DEBUNK THIS BULLSHIT. Wake up morons, this dudes a low IQ grifter, like anyone who takes this seriously. 😂😂😂

[@ireen1962]

So many Buildings built in the same time period. Must have had a lot of construction workers 😊

[@styracosaurusqvt4841]

With a degree of mastery very difficult to fund now.

[@MsTruthSeekr1]

Amazing how many schools there were! And so huge!! There's no way there were that many children attending school in the town with such a small population.

[@brian-te4xs]

Just a thought but the children could have been brought in by the Orphan Trains at the time. They lie to us about the narrative anyway so the schools could have been filled with kids to help repopulate society. This all could have been purposefully left out of history as we are told.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

There were too many schools for the populous…..UNLESS! …. orphan trains stopped there, which they did…..I am from Helena and have been trying to establish the actual census of the time….I’ve scoured the census listings, directories, newspapers, etc, and do not find anything to support so many schools….you are also assuming they are schools because the mainstream tells you so….they could have placed some children in front of a random building for a photo shot and then represent it as a school to reinforce their narrative…I’ve caught a few lies and don’t believe any of it…. As far as locations in the west being chosen for expansion and development, I always wondered, ‘why Helena?’ Why there? Unless there was something already there. I believe there was….you see, the history of Montana and its cities was written by the Masons, it began with the Masons. It doesn’t include all that was here before they arrived as they molded our new story into their agenda. It was war time and a dynamic period. But we have been misled and redirected in our history. As for all the schools that looked like castles? I can only say to use your imagination….it’s closer to the truth than you’re being told.

[@nextup6074]

For sure! I'm almost 100% positive it was the Deep State trying to fool you into thinking....oh never mind. You can't think. Sorry.

[@MsTruthSeekr1]

@@ladycirclewoman3821 Great insights! I was being sarcastic in my comment as I don't believe the narratives either.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

@@MsTruthSeekr1 ....yeah, I fell into a bit of a rabbit hole when I began to really check out the narrative...

[@cmwHisArtist]

Incredible how all of those crude cameras just happened to be perfectly aimed at the buildings as they were falling from the earthquake, and the operators were not running for their lives, but held very still themselves.

[@Deuce-G-RC]

Great channel, we love it. Subbed and liked everything, thank you brother

[@scottbaker-ScottyB]

Where did the people go and where are the grave yards ?

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Many believe buried due to a cataclysm.

[@karmenchristensen9845]

The story for many buildings was also about some wealthy man from “ back east” built these in the style of the mansions on the east coast. And how convenient that they could then sell property ( that was already there) and become even more wealthy. And- Chinese tunnels.... also in Deadwood, SD, near where I live.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

Helena and Deadwood are tied together by the same people…..both communities established by men from old money from rich eastern families, all intermarried or related somehow….and government funding….and Helena, like every other place, is riddled with underground tunnels…..don’t know that they were by the Chinese, which I highly doubt (probably already there), but the Chinese likely used them. They were the crux of the population until they were burned out and removed.

[@calebfleming1607]

Got any more info on those Chinese tunnels? Is there a good video on it somewhere?

[@karmenchristensen9845]

@@calebfleming1607 Not that I’ve seen anywhere. Was just there before the 4th. Wanted to do the tour they used to offer. Surprise- they stopped doing them. Too many people waking up . Is my guess, anyway.

[@NewWestReset]

Hiya OWE. The narrative of 'the wild west' is no surprise here. What is a shock, is that Natatorium... absolutely incredible structure! I've never seen or heard of it before. Awesome job, bud 🍁Cheers! 👋🤠

[@RestoringReality]

It's barely been a century since they made it illegal to slap a stamp or on a little white kid's forehead and mail them across the country to work for a new master/owner/parent/guardian.

[@Restitutor_Orbis_214]

Marvelous work OWE! I have watched this one twice.

[@oldworldex]

Gratitude...

[@jeffsimslmt]

There’s so much to explain. Thanks for shining the light.

[@uhadme]

You'd estimate how long to construct, and how many workers (manhours) Modern architects can give you a rough estimate for the manpower required to build one. Using modern skills, imagine during the horse and buggy era? Black and Decker says the first power tools came in 1895, before that everything done by hand.

[@timothydillow3160]

Rogers Pass, Montana, near Helena, (elevation 5'470 ft.) On January 20th, 1954, had an air temperature of -70° below zero.

[@autisticexpressiongenx]

whn Hellena froze over.

[@timothydillow3160]

@@autisticexpressiongenx unimaginably cold

[@bawb450]

Thanks for what you do!! Lots of old world in Dayton and Cincinnati. Dayton YMCA, built in 1929 and was largest Y in the world

[@oldworldex]

I did a video on Dayton and Cincinnati. Check em out..

[@JohnWitham-dr4es]

Spent a few days there recently. Giant stone arches galore. Plenty of cryptic narrative to be found on tourist info signs, a story of "the French women" found murdered, the part owner of the hostile along the old road leading into Helena during the 1860's. Dozens of the residential area houses are simply amazing castlesque stone and brick structures. Lewis and Clark passed through the place on their way back to St. Louis. So much remaining!

[@michaeldavis9696]

What!!??? Wow that was a beautiful world. I'd call it another capital of the old world.

[@collin9159]

I was there on a fishing trip this year and the capital building is absolutely ridiculous. and there was a building with a turret that was very well preserved, looks totally out of place. It's crazy I was thinking this place is old world, and then here's your video, great stuff man.

[@mtguy234]

Why is it ridiculous? Also curious what building has a turret on it.

[@collin9159]

@@mtguy234 we'll go look at the building and then realize that people with horse and buggy built it, which is obviously ridiculous. The turret was a church I believe.

[@TD05SSLegacy]

Turret 😂? It’s a dome.

[@V-Smith]

@@TD05SSLegacyyep! Lived here for 40 years and that is exactly what it is, not a turret lol

[@TD05SSLegacy]

@@V-Smith yes, these people are idiots. This is what our education system is producing.

[@marilynnjacobsen1077]

I was there once and what I found unusual was how spread out this city is as if it it was much larger population at one time. Beautiful area. Its obvious to me the history books don't tell us about the last reset. The last flood covered alot of land as the earth crust shifted and the magnetic field shifted. Did they see this as a opportunity to control the world once again.

[@xyludexaalud]

Population was about 10,000 in 1900. The amount of citizens that would have been able to work (maybe aged 16-45) would have been much lower. Maybe 4-6 thousand? How many of those were master craftsmen that were capable of building huge multi-story ornate stone buildings in 1-2 years?

[@sidpheasant7585]

Do not know if references to population were of adults, or everybody. The 1880 Census of Helena was carried out in the June of that year and there were miners, butchers, painters, blacksmiths and so on there. Ranchers, cabinet-makers, musicians and stockmen and so on. Not so many kids it is true, few old people, printers, seamstresses. By no means everyone was a builder!!!

[@xyludexaalud]

@@sidpheasant7585 Sometimes they just did census data by household back then too. I still find it odd when considering the sheer amount of these buildings being allegedly erected from around 1790 to 1900 that there would even have been enough tradesmen at the time to pull it off. And when considering the timeframes given for those buildings (2-3 years usually) it becomes even more evident that there just weren't enough people with the skills that creating these masterpiece buildings would require.

[@sidpheasant7585]

@@xyludexaalud Agreed, remarkable as the consequences of that truth may seem. Have you thought about the full implications of all that? I have tried to, but my mind gets a bit boggled. The biggest possibility would "just" be that we actually live in the Matrix. Though I see that some round here go for good versus evil interpretations (even)...

[@xyludexaalud]

@@sidpheasant7585 Yeah, I've definitely considered the subjectivity of reality itself. That the more one delves into topics like this or anything regarding the past, the more things start to unravel since the past may or may not exist from an objective standpoint. Like the fact that you can't really prove that something happened 10 minutes ago, all you can prove is that you're looking at the alleged effects of it now - and now is the only time frame that actually exists anywhere. I also have considered that we're in some kind of matrix or game where occasionally the board gets reset for another round and the players don't bother to clean up the old stuff before beginning anew. If that's the case, it sure would be nice to know what the winning conditions are so we can hold on to our butts for the cataclysm lol.

[@sidpheasant7585]

@@xyludexaalud having spent tons of time family-tree tracing, I would say that the records kept look "solid" - no sign, say, that they were created at the moment I looked for them. And for years I've had that special feeling genealogists have, that as we go forward we are also using long-dormant documents to generate "new" history! So our ancestry DOES seem to represent a cohesive story, but of course we know little or nothing about the conditions those people were living in, and of course we also don't truly know if they experienced the same history as the history books tell us about, or even if there is true continuity of history Still I did have a distant ancestor at Waterloo and another at Sevastopol, so the family history seems to tie in with the big-events history. The weirdest thing I noticed was how, in the 1720s, my małe ancestors "had to" marry again and again and again, as the wives and the babies kept dying. Very few kids came through to have kids of their own in the 1740s, say. And obviously, the sample of me is non-random given that I am here because my ancestors did survive. Although history records seem to be good at that time, it is NOT obvious that anything much was noted then. However, we know that at the time of the 1950s London Smog, people didn't really see what was happening as it happened either. Then again, ot might be that American history is more reset than British. Some of my family also emigrated to Wiconsin from the 1850s on and there is no real suggestion they were living im "frontier" conditions, though I suppose thay ought to have...

[@ladyloucks]

Great video. I have always wondered how cowboys and Indians tie into Phoenician shells and faces. We have some of the same art in some of our buildings, except it depicts 1800's farmers and Indians, plus Phoenician boats and faces. The artists' work is almost identical. 🤷 Another question is what was going on between 1492 (what a joke) and 1830? We have no information about America during this time in our history classes. Our history makes huge jumps in time.

[@allenschmitz9644]

Good call, fighting Indians in the 1830's and sprinkling Court Houses all over tarnations is a tough job.

[@kenridge3106]

Eradication of a civilization then a reset

[@coreymulvey6141]

Holy crap dude. You think there’s zero information about history between 1492 and 1830 because you don’t remember being taught it in class? Pick up a history book for Christ’s sake. I mean are you forgetting about the whole revolutionary war? What kind of idiotic statement is that.

[@ladyloucks]

@@coreymulvey6141 I have read many books. I am not talking about his story. I am speaking of our story and there are many questions for me about this time period. If history books answer your questions, then that is good. For my questions, they don't answer much. Like again, what does Phoenician symbolism have to do with North American farmers, cowboys and Indians? I haven't seen it in a book yet. So what was going on? If you can point me in the right direction, it would be very much appreciated.

[@styracosaurusqvt4841]

@@coreymulvey6141An idiotic and insulting comment you’ve made.

[@spiritualzombs]

Impressive buildings even for todays standards in montana

[@JA51711]

Great video and valid questions. Thank you for your research to corect the historical record to preserve our origional history

[@MariaWalker-qo3vi]

I just now found your channel, and I’m so excited about it! Thank you!

[@cd8797]

I live in this state. Helena is nothing like this now. But im not too familiar with it. But the more i watch these and realize that not everyone probably got their own fancy castle estate. There must have been an elite upper class who had grand estates here, like in Europe perhaps, hot springs, or hunting lodges. What were the common folk living like back then, or where were all the people for these huge buildings? Whos elaborate scheme and collaboration was it to destroy all of these old world buildings, ppl like the robber barons? Why the shift from that to now ad how? Mystery

[@TheHappinessOfThePursuit]

How, is the Prussian derived military style education system that we use now across the world. Why is control and wealth. ❤

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

There was ABSOLUTELY an elite group who established Helena….old money from rich families from back east with historical ties to people like Washington, and Lincoln, through blood or loyal service, and all intermarried or related somehow….. one big happy borderline incestual American royal family….it’s nuts…its claimed they made their fortunes here on gold, but no, it was old money AND things like the Homestead Act that gave away large chunks of land throughout the state…..guess who got first pick on the land? Guess who was able to expand these land grabs? Yep. Old money. They got richer, for sure….but it’s a small handful of men who ‘established’ Helena, Fort Benton, Havre, Great Falls, Conrad, Kalispell, Miles City, Billings, Missoula, Bozeman….they branched out as far as Deadwood….and Helena seemed to be the main hub for these men……Montana royalty….probably because it was move-in ready with all the grand structures sitting idle…..

[@styracosaurusqvt4841]

I think the secret societies, primarily the freemasons, have destroyed the old world and indoctrinated the population with a false narrative.

[@kellikelli4413]

America was colonized by Europeans - why do you think they wouldn't have built the SAME way & style that they had in Europe - don't forget they WERE talented artisans❕

[@ivangato13]

Great video, new to your channel but not new to this TRUTH, i recently went to Colorado Springs, and I noticed that CS had many old world buildings and homes.

[@hawaiiguykailua6928]

Montana seems to have been obliterated during reset as that entire state has masses of underground cities, tunnels, "opium malls" etc. I think they've found at least 3 story buildings underground in Helena, but might have been Havre? They even invented a name for it Montana Club's Secret Tunnels.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

I believe the tunnels played a larger role than we’re told….I’m sure they were known about….and I suspicion they were used for traveling through from town to town….in the Helena newspaper they would say they were running up to Fort Benton (133 mi.), or Havre (203 mi.), for a quick weekend and would return in three days…this would be in the blizzards of February in impossible conditions long before any trains….it would logistically take three days just to get there if they didn’t freeze to death on the way….and leave it to the ‘good old boys’ to name it the Montana Club Secret Tunnels….they took claim of them just like everything else in sight…supposedly there was the original creek where gold was found that ran down Last Chance Gulch (downtown main street) that was converted to run underground when the town was being established….I say the creek was ALWAYS underground and was actually one of the tunnels with water running through it….I believe it was THIS discovery and not gold, that was the real pay dirt….gold was used to lure men out to the west to populate it …sure, gold was found, but the real gold find was underground ‘real estate’…..and only the ‘good old boys’ were privy to and had the old family money, and government funding, to commandeer the whole state via underground. I tell ya, this Wild West story beats any old western saga into the sand….too bad we’ve been denied a story so much more interesting than what we’ve been fed….

[@MsHyphyone]

Imagine building massive buildings out of heavy materials and not having the roads ready, just carting it in through the mud.

[@tyleranderson4852]

The questions that the narrative never answers, or even attempts to ask are so instructive as to what is being hidden from us. These small very remote towns and cities are illustrating this very important point. Why are we never told anything about how these towns were built? Where the materials came from, milled lumber in mass, quarry stone in mass brickyards in mass. Not a mention as to who the craftsman were who actually built the town, where did they live who took care of them? Where did they go? How did they have the skills to build these buildings and city services? They do not ask those questions so they don’t have to make something up . They give us countless very detailed descriptions of wild west shootouts and robberies and gold mining stories, but not anything about how anything actually came to be. We get an architect every so often, but that’s not who actually builds anything. Truth is there has been a concerted effort to hide the truth of our past , and the fact that to this day there are zero mainstream historians even remotely interested in what anyone in this community is discovering is the proof. I am amazed every time we take a road trip anywhere in this country and see the endless railroads that we supposedly built out of nothing in areas very few people we’re supposed to even lived. But they were built nonetheless with zero real information about how this was accomplished. Just grand stories of heroic millionaires and destitute non skilled workers.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

He doesn’t address construction issues, etc, because like everywhere else, there are no records or photos of any construction….Helena was established WAY TOO SOON after so called discovery of gold…it never made sense…but it does make sense if something was already there….they needed to establish their lies to cover it up, so they brought in old money from rich families in the east along with government funding to do so…then they burned out all those already there who were no longer wanted, ie, the Chinese, which was half, if not more, of the population…it was also wartime, 1864, when Lincoln was looking to expand the north ….Montana had many men from the south living and working there…they also had large amounts of money they were potentially sending to support the Confederate cause….that had to be eliminated, so hence, the story of the Vigilantes and Road Robbers……it’s all a lie…the ‘road robbers’ were all Confederates and the Vigilantes were agents of the Union….hired by Lincoln….the country was broke and Lincoln needed their money …..so disappointing to be lied to when the truth is so much more interesting.

[@stefanichim9342]

They learned their skills in those huge schools :))))

[@stefanichim9342]

I had the exact questions in a video a few weeks ago!

[@coreymulvey6141]

Lmao. Maybe watch a documentary on the intercontinental railroad? It’s hilarious how stupid you people are. All the information you’re asking about is there you just have to go look for it. Don’t expect people to answer your idiotic questions. I mean you people are looking at basic architecture of the post Industrial Revolution as some kind of lost ancient civilization. It’s ridiculous

[@JamieCrain5349]

Luv ur vids😊

[@karmenchristensen9845]

Maybe you’ve already come to this conclusion, but my thoughts are that when “explorers” were sent west , they located these grand buildings that were in place already and then communities were set up there. Possibly the underground tunnels etc. were used to start sewer systems and such. Pre existing . Small towns all over my state of SD that have these beautiful buildings. Small towns that never, ever needed anything like them.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

At first there were explorers, then came the ‘prospectors’….all the same….I believe they always knew there were buildings and such all over the west….with some areas they couldn’t access it because it was claimed by other countries….until they conquered or made treaties to get to it all….a huge civilization was already here, I believe, and rediscovered and claimed by those who wrote our history and covered it all up…

[@j.c.isking2165]

@@ladycirclewoman3821 Another aspect to this is the fact that nearly ALL these grand old buildings had HUGE doorways AND windows. There are plenty of very old photos of people between 7 and 9 ft. tall and I think our old world realm had many more of them than we are led to believe. I also believe these old world buildings are all Masonic in design. Freemasons have long been known as " The Builders " AND they reside in every corner of the world AS DO these buildings of the same design. Freemasonry is a secret society that hides an inner secret society... satanism, and many of these building decorations feature angels ( Fallen ones ) or demonic gargoyles, Seraphim and such. I believe most of these obvious symbols have been removed from the buildings at some point in time, making the identity of the builders more anonymous. If these satanists wanted to eliminate the giants it would go along way to make the Bible seem like it was more of a fairy tale when it speaks of Giants existing before and AFTER the FLOOD.

[@Andy_Holmes]

I think many of the initial "explorers" were freemasons, who still hold old world knowledge in the ranks of their secret society today. It's quite a fitting name for them when you realize they were essentially claiming 'masonry' for 'free'.

[@vertihvost7675]

Thank you

[@darcyedmonds8848]

Well it sure does look like a lot of those foundations are much older dug out built on ruins. The population statistics are odd too. Those orphanages were huge. Wtf.

[@nottodaymfnottodaymf9773]

Court houses in iowa especially eldora iowa look like castles snd mud flooded as well

[@oldworldex]

I've got a live chat about American courthouses coming soon...

[@nottodaymfnottodaymf9773]

Make it happen

[@oldworldex]

Eldora is screaming old world. Watch for a video on it soon. I'll call it Old World Small Towns...anything under 10k in 1900 qualifies..

[@nottodaymfnottodaymf9773]

@@oldworldex thanks

[@karmenchristensen9845]

@@oldworldex Sioux Falls , SD is another to consider.

[@bridgetulrich1711]

When I landed in Helena, I was greeted by a giant, real stuffed grizzly bear on hind legs. Absolutely incredible and now I wish I'd looked around town more

[@MrBlueSky1978]

The image early on in this video showing the grid lines the town is based on is similar to those shown on various Jon Levi videos. These lines look ancient and most North American towns and cities sit on them.

[@coreymulvey6141]

Ancient cities don’t follow grids. That’s a modern invention. You people are literally the most uneducated conspiracy theorists I’ve ever run across

[@panatypical]

People like Bill Gates keep popping into my mind, people not quite right in the head, you know. They wrote a lot of the history that preceded the cataclysm they created and started right around the so-called turn of the 20th century. There are a couple of curious houses about a half-mile from where I live in the city of Anaheim. One is supposed to be the first wood frame house built in what used to be the Viceroyalty of New Spain. It's called The George Hansen house, or the Pioneer House of the Mother Colony, purportedly built in 1857. Nothing fancy, but a tidy little place. German immigrant Hansen built it and lived there for a few years before selling it to some of the Sepulvedas, Spanish nobility who lost their land grant Ranchos after the Mexican-American War. Right next door to it is an extremely detailed Gothic style house which was supposedly built in 1894. It was moved there from its original location about a mile away in the 1920s. I think a lot of the history for this area is rewritten and jumbled, and at some time around that turn of the century, the reset took place. These two houses back up to the athletic field of Anaheim high School, which was purportedly built in 1898. It's not particularly ornate, but it is Old Worldish, and hopefully it doesn't double as a Masonic Temple. However, half a mile or so to the east there's a commercial plaza called DeMolay Center that looks like it was built in the 1960s.

[@pacwest5153]

Spain had already made it to the California coast and mapped it out by 1521 I believe..if they already made it why wouldn't they return and build cities they had more than 250 years till America was established..there are maps that show most of North America and mexico were part of Spain..Portugal found Brazil in 1500 and they colonized South America ..Russians also made it to San Francisco area in 1721..

[@pacwest5153]

They definitely changed history taught in schools cause I learned all that through research online

[@yellowcat1310]

@@pacwest5153 when the New World was being divided between nations by the Pope in the 1500s, each country was given a Atlantic coastline section and everything to the West. for example Potrugal was given the coastline of Brazil and everything west though they ended up stopping at the Andes Mountains. that is why they speak Portuguese in Brazil. France, Holland, England were given North America. in the many years while the USA was making its way across the continent, Spain, who had been given the lands between Brazil and up to Florida in North America. well, the Spaniards got some islands and Mexico which turned out to not have much land between oceans so they hung a right and went North into what is now the Western USA. They stole all of it. now not theft like we think now, because we, the USA did not even know what existed to the west. so Spain illegaly settles the whole SW USA and by the time we found out nobody remembered or gave a shit about what the popes had decreed back in the 1500s. so none of this proves anything about these old world buildings in Montana or anywhere else. though there are a few adobe and wood buildings the Spaniards built out here.

[@pacwest5153]

@@yellowcat1310wowzers I didn't know the Pope had divided up the lands that's interesting..hopefully information and history will be more accurate in the future with all this technology.

[@Kerylskeyecat]

I live in Great Falls, Montana - I've lived in Helena & got to stay in one of the ancient mansions there for a summer.(looks like one you showed with a 3 story tower) Omg this was wonderful! Thank you for your work! This was an incredible video!

[@oldworldex]

Thanks for being here.

[@debpatriot9557]

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[@radrickdavis]

Not sure why this looks out of place to some people. Capital city. Railroad had been in place for many decades. Immigrants were plentiful, cheap labor. Extremely skilled architects were well funded. The freemasons loved to build stone, brick, and metal structures that would last for centuries.

[@lynnmcmullen3157]

That tower was clearly a minaret

[@troyparnell3562]

South America moved a thousand miles east, and I haven't heard one geographer mention it. The constellation Orion changes, and no astronomers say a thing. It's happening right now, why is that?

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Maybe the original numbers don't matter an neither do the changes made? But why could that be possible?

[@lynnmcmullen3157]

Had heard about the Orion change. Actually showed old and new videos of the same people saying both, and never a word about the change or why. I'm not sure what to make of it but say the two places are millions of light years apart nuts

[@Andy_Holmes]

​@@lynnmcmullen3157 I think heliocentrism is also a lie. Personally I follow the concave earth theory.

[@Semprefi]

The only construction photos were given are clearly projects that were under construction when the event occurred. Ironically, these photos that were clearly staged in an effort to take ownership of the creation of the magnificent structures pictured ,and by extension all of the structures in question, only serve as proof that the inheritors were totally incapable of craftsmanship and capabilities displayed in these magnificent structures.

[@SergeantMister]

Just found you in my recommended. This is great stuff, and the more you see it, the more you see it! Liked, subbed, bell’d!

[@oldworldex]

Welcome!

[@permofit]

A lot of those old buildings the stonework is not veneer it is stonework a lot of the sandstone very soft we have something called the rims a huge sandstone cliffs face in Billings severalhundred feet tall running for several miles

[@davidchase9424]

It's "Free Masonry"

[@Andy_Holmes]

Exactly.

[@Tom_Emody]

Really nice work you are doing.

[@oldworldex]

Thanks a lot!

[@roughriderreturns5039]

You have fine perspective. I enjoy your videos very much.

[@oldworldex]

Thank you

[@kaciedamontana]

This is great! Helena history is super interesting!

[@b8s_art]

Fort Harrison is where the special forces and operation overlord tactics that led to our victories in WW2 were born. Military motive dictates all developmental leaps, even in a small town. The downtown area learned from it's lavish ways from an Earthquake... Most of these buildings in question still stand or only recently were lost to time.

[@peterschaefer6138]

I don’t think you have been to Helena and just picked some parts of the internet. Otherwise you would at least realize that Helena is nowadays about 80k people and not 30k. The city limits only encompass a small part of the Helena valley and the majority of the population lives in the county. There was lots of money in the town and many connections to the east coast.

[@Terrysteele401]

It’s not hard to work out. Helena is a Greek word. Montana is an Ancient Greek and Native American word. No mention that the American natives spoke Greek. Creeks, Cherokee etc. you won’t here that on this channel.

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

….there are tie-ins with Montana and Old Tartaria, surprisingly…or not…similar or same names are found with both regions….quite intriguing…

[@leaguefollower9129]

A lot of the house downtown still exists. They call it the historical district with all Victorian houses. They never go for sale, but one recently did, and it's roughly $7 million dollars for sale. It's like a 12 bed 6 bath house.

[@bridgetulrich1711]

wow - i have flown into helena and never really considered the downtown before. thank you!

[@cupheadtv]

Keep up the excellent work my man.

[@basicbreakfast]

Miners in the off season 🤣 Brilliant!

[@vickyhorton9083]

Didn't know mining was seasonal. Coal mining is not seasonal

[@Tom_Emody]

I feel haunted by these old photos.

[@Billygoat710]

Awesome intro brother

[@gmh.]

Great falls also had one of the world's tallest masonry smoke stack at one time destroyed in 1980 built 1918 580 ft: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Smelter_Stack

[@oldworldex]

Immense!!

[@gmh.]

@@oldworldex it may have actually been something else or a part of another structure. It wasn't necessary to destroy it and was a sort of landmark and kind of architecturally beautiful

[@permofit]

Can also look up the old steam tunnels in Billings

[@chipsramek3868]

Your orphan photo sparked my memory of how many "Twins" i grew up with ... small town in the midwest ... dozens of twins in the Baby Boombe bracket. Where are they today. PS ... it's sobering when You become The Last Man Standing ... and All your Family & Friends have died. It sure happens fast ...

[@karencontestabile6064]

The Spaniards were in North America in the late 1500s. Some of the architecture could be theirs, although they have a distinctive style. The Shiner building actually has a middle eastern appearance.

[@timothygraff8702]

At 27:42 Chinese tunnels are in Pleasanton, California along train tracks as that was where they lived. The tunnels also ran through the downtown and they talk about the tunnels but no connection to Chinese or real story. I worked at a bar downtown that had an access to tunnels which ran under the Rose(Rosicrucian)hotel This was the underground where the rich and poor went to get drugs,booze and women. I worked on a carport foundation and hit one of these tunnels and found the remains of a lantern(1880's) and deteriorated dungarees Was sternly told to stop digging and cover up hole This valley was rich with secret societies and they bury and cover deceive and distract all truth

[@Deuter14.2]

Yup, I'm very close to Helena and Kalispell! I used to travel for sports to Billings.

[@RestoringReality]

I call bull$hi+ on the lot of it. No way, no how did they do all that in the late 1800's with donkeys, wood carts, hemp rope and pulleys. Someone is lying to us.

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Everyone I know personally who knows shit about building if they take in the mainstream narrative on these old world building's will straight up yell bull shit!! Most don't believe in the reset theory but they know damn well the mainstream narrative isn't true.

[@Andy_Holmes]

The freemasons I believe are the ones who've lied to us. It's a fitting name for them considering how they claimed all this old architecture for free.

[@autisticexpressiongenx]

goin to Hellena in a Bukit baby ///

[@ladycirclewoman3821]

At marker 15:16 of the Carroll College building the photo is definitely manipulated…white-out….if u zoom in to the small clump of bushes at the left it is obvious…the bushes aren’t cleanly outlined…there is a sliver of background below the white….so it’s very feasible that the wing on the right side of the building was also whited out….

[@marksnyder7314]

Montrose, Colorado Thank You.

[@sjbonadonna]

I'm following your channel now.

[@oldworldex]

Welcome aboard!

[@skepticalgenious]

34:41 that is a massive space for a small door. Almost seems bulstrouse to me. Great video sir. Very intriguing points

[@IWantToKnow2]

Butte still has alot of older buildings, it is standing in for Bozeman during the 1923 Yellowstone series.... re Butte Courthouse.. 17:15 this beautiful version was built in about 1884, for 150K. by 1910 with the expansion of copper miners to Butte, it was not large enough so they built the current courthouse in about 1912 for 750K

[@RomansEye]

Reminds me of Eureka Springs AR same buildings still standing. Would like to see you do one on that place!