Old Yu-Gi-Oh Cards That Aged A Little TOO Well

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@apsamplifier
@apsamplifier 2 жыл бұрын
What do you guys think about old cards that suddenly end up being surprisingly powerful? I don't think they're necessarily a bad thing (I've been a Super Polymerization enjoyer for years), but I just wanted to draw some attention to a few notable examples. I've noticed most of these cards end up being ones that are preventative or defensive in nature, as well.
@kristian7160
@kristian7160 2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t even scrape the surface! Think about the cards that became super busted due to the link mechanic - I miss you level eater… But real, it was cool seeing scapegoat get played again outside of goat format
@Quimusik
@Quimusik 2 жыл бұрын
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@kristian7160
@kristian7160 2 жыл бұрын
@@Quimusik These are bots. They are all over KZbin. All the creators, including Team APS, have been warning people about them
@rodneycarter8901
@rodneycarter8901 2 жыл бұрын
I like it to be honest. Only because I hate seeing same decks everywhere so a few floods to steal games because it's in the rouge strategy and not a tier 0/1 so roughest better prepared for everything and tops are just ready to combo... plus give me a chance to use traps
@donellebullock7404
@donellebullock7404 2 жыл бұрын
-With "Super Polymerization", they are just upset none of their metas are safe. -For "Rival of Warlords", people don't like it when they are stopped from splicing 4+ engines to turn out powerful generic Extra Deck Monsters. -Hand traps I think are fine overall, just hate how people will abuse them. like 25-50% negates and the rest engine for Extra Deck. -"Armageddon Knight" is fine at 2 I think, maybe 3 depending if they make more acceptable answers. -"Instant Fusion" is fine. I'd say all fusion cards are fine if they would make them like "Branded Fusion". Like how the only way to get anything other than the "Branded" fusions is to literally use the "Branded" fusion and core monster.
@illustriousspellcaster5252
@illustriousspellcaster5252 2 жыл бұрын
The lack of rotations in Yu-Gi-Oh, outside of the Forbidden and Limited list, means that any card theoretically could become really powerful because they could cause interactions that were not possible during its inception. If we look at cards like “Mind Control” for instance, it was fine because there was no real way to take advantage of it. As soon as the Synchro mechanic came around, it became really busted because suddenly players could convert the stolen monster into something they could use, i.e. Synchro material. For this reason, I see reverse power-creep as a feature that is more prominent in Yu-Gi-Oh than any other card game.
@crigonalgaming1258
@crigonalgaming1258 2 жыл бұрын
It would moreso be the case if those broken errata'd cards that were originally banned got released from the banlist with their original text.
@Skios
@Skios 2 жыл бұрын
That's also a perfect reason why cards that are too broad in their design, like Predaplant Verte Anaconda, will always stunt game design as long as they're legal. Given that it searches *any* card with 'Fusion' or 'Polymerization' in its name, as long as Verte is legal, Konami will always have to keep Verte in mind when printing powerful new Fusion spells. Just look at the last few months of Master Duel, before Branded Despia took over, where almost any deck that could make and use Verte also ran a DPE package.
@KyhronLuna
@KyhronLuna 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad so much of the community hates board breakers and floodgates
@trappestarrgaming3422
@trappestarrgaming3422 2 жыл бұрын
@@KyhronLuna idu that at all isnt the point of the game to evolve your deck but instead ppl are too stubborn and just want a handout from konami so they can play the same deck with no improvements
@KyhronLuna
@KyhronLuna 2 жыл бұрын
@@trappestarrgaming3422 Same could be said for people that complain about board breakers/floodgates. There's been endless discourse about Mystic Mine for months now and the only answer I ever see for why it should be banned is its unfun and meta can't do anything to it because they want to run 15 hand traps instead of any other removal. Its frustrating seeing a card being good as a ban reason instead of the actual criteria on what is needed for being bannable
@paulfitzgerald762
@paulfitzgerald762 2 жыл бұрын
This topic could totally be a great DuelLogs top ten video! Another card that comes to mind is ‘Anti-Spell Fragrance’ during the pendulum era.
@tripple-a6031
@tripple-a6031 2 жыл бұрын
I like Super Poly, yes it's strong, but you have to invest a few extra deck slots for it and I only use it in decks that already want to fusion summon. Also it's way less reliable if you use Pot of Extravagence/Prosperity. There are a lot of things you can use your extra deck for and Super Poly is just one of the options and not always the best.
@euanthompson
@euanthompson 2 жыл бұрын
I think the difference between the anime and the actual game shows how different the way the creators think the game should be played and the way people actually play
@pie6088
@pie6088 2 жыл бұрын
Ye. For one thing the anime kind of has set rotation
@Yuan3627
@Yuan3627 2 жыл бұрын
Firewall Dragon is a great example. Konami didn't think it was as bad as it really was until they had to play against it and learned quick how it was actually the problem instead of other stuff that didn't matter.
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ 2 жыл бұрын
That the duel choreographers outright said that they had trouble making entertaining duels while trying to be somewhat true to life...
@Monkchelle_Kongbama
@Monkchelle_Kongbama 2 жыл бұрын
anime yugioh is all about beat downs that have upon destruction effects to keep the flow going. Everything pretty much needs to hit the field, and then once in the gy you can start combos. They almost never just search out everything or play 10+ cards in a turn I -half- jokingly say that sky strikers is the way the game was intended to be played. It very much was designed to have that back and forth game state.
@AI7428
@AI7428 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zetact_ Yeah, trying to make meta decks lose is extremely difficult. VRAINS had it worse with Trickstar, Altergeist, and Salamangreat.
@Boltizar49
@Boltizar49 2 жыл бұрын
Super Poly now works vs almost any deck. *Laughs in Harpie Lady*
@JuwanBuchanan
@JuwanBuchanan 2 жыл бұрын
So I wasn't the only one that teched in Super poly in Harpies
@Jadenforeverything
@Jadenforeverything 2 жыл бұрын
Am i missing something ? I don't get why super poly isn't powerful against harpies ?
@Boltizar49
@Boltizar49 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jadenforeverything Harpies treat themselves as Harpie Lady. Garura needs the materials to have different names.
@Jadenforeverything
@Jadenforeverything 2 жыл бұрын
@@Boltizar49 oh yeah , thanks for the clarification
@junkoenoshima7113
@junkoenoshima7113 2 жыл бұрын
Won't forget in master duel, when I play my despia deck I almost never have super poly in my hand and the one time I do was against a harpie deck and just couldn't help but laugh
@Goldenfire49
@Goldenfire49 2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna bring up Scythe. But he got a mention so I'm happy. That being said though. Kinda funny to think when Scythe was introduced. The extra deck was called your toolbox or toolkit. It wasn't always your main strategy unless you were running that kind of deck. Rest in peace older main deck boss monsters.
@FwapoMcGee
@FwapoMcGee 2 жыл бұрын
Alright, I’ll just take my Machina cards and cope. Also, if you wanna see main deck boss monsters play more control decks (True Draco, Monarch, Labrynth, Floo)
@jackm725
@jackm725 2 жыл бұрын
I love playing dinos cuz I have a strong main deck boss
@dragonstwilight6389
@dragonstwilight6389 2 жыл бұрын
This has the same energy as me using all the branded stuff to suddenly set up a lair of darkness board. The reactions are always great.
@m.f.3347
@m.f.3347 Жыл бұрын
if Scythe locked you into Artifacts it would be fine
@shipu302
@shipu302 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Fairy Dragon comes to mind. When compared to the other Signer Dragons it was nowhere nearly as good as Stardust or Black Rose at release. Yet, it's still to this day the only one that got banned.
@Retro_Mage
@Retro_Mage 2 жыл бұрын
And it was all because of how good Field Spells were getting.
@theholy1191
@theholy1191 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the rest fell out of favor for the most part.
@m.f.3347
@m.f.3347 Жыл бұрын
@@Retro_Mage the SS from hand was also really good. Just an FTK enabler
@theonlyafropuff
@theonlyafropuff 2 жыл бұрын
In the modern meta of insane first turn boards, I'm glad all these board breakers are finding a way back in. Honestly, it's great to help diversify deck building, not only in terms of not running variations of ash blossom, but also in terms of what going second is capable of doing.
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ 2 жыл бұрын
To put Maxx C in perspective: at the time of its release, Pot of Duality was a staple. That should severely put into perspective how cutting off your SS for a turn wasn't a death sentence.
@NovatoEx
@NovatoEx 2 жыл бұрын
That was at a time when OTKs werent really a thing. Now skipping one turn means death
@JakeTheJay
@JakeTheJay 2 жыл бұрын
Even years later in HAT Format, losing one turn hurt, but it wasn't a death sentence. Some decks even didn't care about the card, like Geargia. Maxx "C" was more of a way to slow down combo decks back then, rather than kill them outright the following turn. I miss those days for sure and it's why I play HAT format instead of modern yugioh.
@Reino_X
@Reino_X 2 жыл бұрын
​@@JakeTheJay what is HAT format?
@JakeTheJay
@JakeTheJay 2 жыл бұрын
@@Reino_X it's an older format in yugioh's history. The card pool is completely different and the rules are too. I highly recommend it!
@Thunderplant
@Thunderplant 2 жыл бұрын
@@Reino_X Hand - Artifact - Traptrix. Between Dragon Rulers and Shadoll-BA.
@calumbishop7082
@calumbishop7082 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Dark Hole was a card first released in the first ever Yugioh set in 1999. While it is not as good as it maybe was in TCG, Master Duel has still shown its power in a best of one. I definitely include a copy in my decks at least. The ability to use up some of your opponents negates or even potentially board wipe them, is still useful even all these years later.
@fortant691
@fortant691 2 жыл бұрын
Tbf Dark Hole is starting to make a comeback in competitive play thanks to Mystic Mine
@randomprotag9329
@randomprotag9329 2 жыл бұрын
dark hole is a midling one cause it was good early on but became more niche later
@pretends2know
@pretends2know 2 жыл бұрын
Super Polymerization - It has always been good. I am surprised no one has ever tried the secret effect that Jaden Yuki did where he fused himself with his opponent. Rivalry of Warlords - What boosted it's power is S/T destruction has shifted from spell and trap cards to monster effects, and you can't even play those monsters if you're off type these days if this has resolved. Droll and Lock Bird - I play my fair share of Traditional and Unlimited. I learned from those formats that card is meta dependent. And the more Meta searching/drawing gets, the better Droll will continue to get. Armageddon Knight - This card has always been amazing. It immediately became a starter in Tele-DAD, and even after that era, the floor has always been send Destiny Hero Malicious or (at the time) Plaguespreader Zombie. Other cards that have power scaled over time, even sooner than these cards: Upstart Goblin, Solemn Judgement. Those cards were realized to be good a lot sooner than the cards in this video, but it still took time for players to realize the only life point that mattered (on either side) was the last one.
@LowellLucasJr.
@LowellLucasJr. 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I support cards like Super Poly in this meta game of super negates and control boards. I don't feel its any better than Dark Ruler No Mores, Forbidden Droplets or other cards that help shutting down ( or slowing down) a board that's gonna prevent you from playing.
@ParadoX-os
@ParadoX-os 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the situation. Dark Ruler can always be used and has no discard cost. Super Poly gets you a monster using your opponent's monsters, while clearing their board, so you can potentially OTK them. Super Poly's power changes depending on the fusion monsters available. Before Mudragon and Garura it wasn't as strong.
@TheVictor126
@TheVictor126 2 жыл бұрын
I really like super poli as a removal tool, at least it costs you both deck and extra deck slots to run but I don't like the new bird, that requirement is too easy to achieve, I would rather we get generic options for each type, similar to the starving venom or predaplant options, so at least there would be more of a cost
@pamoon_
@pamoon_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yet Graceful Charity is still one of the most powerful cards ever printed
@arrownoir
@arrownoir 2 жыл бұрын
Painful choice as well.
@OnlyTheStrongest116
@OnlyTheStrongest116 2 жыл бұрын
Wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than Pot of Greed, that's for sure
@SakuraAvalon
@SakuraAvalon 2 жыл бұрын
When Graceful Charity was conceived, discarding two was a cost. Now it's an added bonus.
@ParadoX-os
@ParadoX-os 2 жыл бұрын
@@SakuraAvalon Yeah, Pot of Greed will come back before Graceful Charity ever does. I don't think any of them will come back, but Graceful Charity is too insane.
@SakuraAvalon
@SakuraAvalon 2 жыл бұрын
@@ParadoX-os If they come back, Konami will have errata'd them into dust.
@shadowrealmintern2550
@shadowrealmintern2550 2 жыл бұрын
I kinda like how they expanded trap hole card into its own archetype giving a lot of those one off trap cards a home
@DarkSymphony777
@DarkSymphony777 2 жыл бұрын
and now they getting a structure deck
@shadowrealmintern2550
@shadowrealmintern2550 2 жыл бұрын
Really? That’s pretty cool. I had no idea thank you
@eddiestilll
@eddiestilll 2 жыл бұрын
i really like the concept of old cards that age really well :) it really highlights and brings obscure tech back into the creativity of YGO
@Combustionsquirrel
@Combustionsquirrel 2 жыл бұрын
I believe it illustrates how the game design has changed over time. For Super Poly, fusion monsters used to always have specific requirements but now it's rare to have a fusion monster that doesn't have at least one generic requirement. I believe that this change was brought about to help fusions keep up with the generi-fication of extra deck monsters, and as a result Super Poly became much more powerful than it's designer thought it could be. Similarly, when Maxx C was introduced, special summoning was either for extra deck boss monsters or part of a deck's gimmick.
@rashodmasters4299
@rashodmasters4299 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that cards from the beginning of the game can become part of a game breaking engine in present day at any point is the reason why I keep coming back to this game
@SeraSmiles
@SeraSmiles 2 жыл бұрын
For reference on Maxx C, it wasn't a maindeck staple even during fairly large parts of the pendulum era. Maxx C being an incredibly broken card is a *very* recent development entirely due to the way modern decks work
@avatar2xl
@avatar2xl 2 жыл бұрын
Super poly was supposed to be REALLY strong as it was the focus of season 3 and 4 of GX
@AnRuixuan
@AnRuixuan 2 жыл бұрын
This is kinda how I feel about broken Extra Deck monsters like True King of All Calamities or Rhongomyniad or Herald of Ultimateness. Obviously their effects are completely bonkers and should've never been printed, but they were clearly meant to be balanced around being super difficult to bring out, so if you could manage to put in the resources to get it out you were supposed to be able to easily win. However, Konami later started releasing engines that could turbo them out easily (in those cases, Virtual World, Bamboozling Gossip Shadow, and Drytron), and that's when they started becoming huge problems.
@eleonarcrimson858
@eleonarcrimson858 2 жыл бұрын
but vfd was played even before vw, in tk dinos. but konami saw that deck and was like i am going to ban ding dong.
@sharinnightmer
@sharinnightmer 2 жыл бұрын
"super poly was never ment to be a broken card" Literally the anime: I USE SUPER POLYMERIZATION! THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF YOUR DOOM
@PKSparkxxDH
@PKSparkxxDH 2 жыл бұрын
This is basically Super Polymerization: The Essay
@Tai182
@Tai182 2 жыл бұрын
Its good that things that were considered bad or mediocre back then are now seeing play and are good. Current Yugioh is so boring nothing but OTKs. Matches rarely go pass turn 4
@otterfire4712
@otterfire4712 2 жыл бұрын
Royal Firestorm Guard might age like a fine wine if Konami would just make a new Pyro archetype. F.A.s also aged well with Whip Crosser denying Super Poly, Ash, and other hand traps and Hang On Mach acting as a Macro Cosmos.
@honkedoffjohn
@honkedoffjohn 2 жыл бұрын
Solemn Judgement has stood the test of time,
@dragonmaster951753
@dragonmaster951753 2 жыл бұрын
My personal favorite boss monster horus lv8 actually aged better though not consistently still. With decks relying on spells so much and banning of imperial order he's actually hard for a lot of decks to out. The only thing holding him back was reliably summoning him. Which dragunity and hieratic can do with great ease. They just have to hard draw the level up. But you can make strong boards with level 8 on field and that wins you a lot of decks more than ever before.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Horus LV8 is arguably balanced around that fact. Its effect is actually inherently broken.
@dragonmaster951753
@dragonmaster951753 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShiningJudgment666 its definitely balanced. Cause if we had ANYTHING to search level up, he would be busted. I believe that's why they havent really touched the mechanic and didnt make me horus support. Cause imagine an armed dragon variant that could summon lv8 from deck just from discarding a monster in hand.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
@@dragonmaster951753 Oh for sure. They'd more than likely have to ban LV8 if a retrained Horus line like the Armed Dragon Thunder line was released.
@azureic3
@azureic3 2 жыл бұрын
Forbidden Chalice still works like a charm. And yeah, Super Poly is one of the best things that happened to my shaddoll deck
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Forbidden Chalice is a very good low rarity option in Master Duel and being a Quick Play Spell in general can in some instances prove more useful than Infinite Impermanence and Effect Veiler which are supposed to be power crept versions of it.
@TheNewblade1
@TheNewblade1 2 жыл бұрын
agreed with Paul, in case of super poly, the spell speed 4 effect rarely mattered. You could still bottomless the summon and solemn warning wasn't out yet.
@Masterblader158
@Masterblader158 2 жыл бұрын
Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin is an easy one due to increase in amount of monster hand traps making its effect more worth the cost and the knowledge gained becomes more worth it due to cards like Nibiru were knowing if it's in opponents hand can determine your plays, while opponents hand knowledge always being good meant its effect was better than any of its evolutions it got way stronger. Other Jaden/HERO aligned cards also got stronger as improvements to fusion in general feed back into them being a test ground for the mechanic alongside support, miracle fusion having more and better targets and a hero lives getting more than just Stratos to pull out.
@olympicpip9235
@olympicpip9235 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Paul most of the time but I use super poly in my deck because it's pretty much essential with the 1st turn boards top tier decks put up these days. I get why some people think it's unfair but it's honestly necessary given the ridiculous 4/5 negate boards you face going second..
@chaoticlighttv6207
@chaoticlighttv6207 2 жыл бұрын
Super Poly back in the day was for Chimeratech Fortress Dragon for me. Sub it in vs a machine heavy deck or cyber dragons. But that was it back then as far as I was concerned.
@RETROMANIAToronto
@RETROMANIAToronto 2 жыл бұрын
Cards that generate tokens for the longest time where trash with link summoning they became broken overnight even cards that special summon from grave got huge boost due to link summoning
@rod_quez9236
@rod_quez9236 2 жыл бұрын
Cards that are not once per turn, Are crazy now
@tiffer1772
@tiffer1772 2 жыл бұрын
Benten was the first thing that came to mind for me
@Runenschuppe
@Runenschuppe 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny that as an old time player I REALLY enjoy Maxx C in Master Duel, because in effect it forces both me and my opponent to either play like I used to (Normal Summon and maybe Special Summon once, then end turn) or there's the challenge of winning there and then, before the other can respond with that myriad of cards now in the hand. I like Maxx C, because it gives me the agency to decide how to play afterwards unlike Ash Blossom which can nearly negate every important function. One card that became completely broken is "Last Will". Sure, summoning out a low ATK monster for free was never bad, but back then the way to trigger it was to Tribute Summon a card you Normal Summoned the turn before, which is definitively not overpowered.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Last Will has pretty much always been broken and it'll continue to get more and more broken over time I'd imagine. It facilitated Magical Scientist FTK which I believe sealed its fate.
@cshin4219
@cshin4219 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised when Anti-Spell Fragrance came back as a legit card because players had to get creative replacing banned cards.
@shiragi8426
@shiragi8426 2 жыл бұрын
Cannon soldier went from an "unplayable niche card" to "primary ftk enabler"
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty much always been an FTK enabler. Upon release though, you couldn't generate enough fodder for it.
@justalurker3489
@justalurker3489 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the floodgate point makes sense, as alot of floodgates are actually pretty old, I have a copy of Rivalry of Warlords I've had since like 2005. There are a lot of these like Gravity Bind, Imperial Order, etc.
@chompyclownforhire3692
@chompyclownforhire3692 2 жыл бұрын
I find interesting how solemn judgement was on the same boat as the cards mentioned, but due to trap cards becoming less relevant solemn fell out of favor. Goes to show that the direction of the game gives and takes away.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Solemn Judgment got use and it still sometimes pops up because it's just inherently broken and can fill a spot in certain decks that are weak to back-row.
@AngelRivera-hh6er
@AngelRivera-hh6er 2 жыл бұрын
I have to mention 2 cards Neo Space connector and Aqua Dolphin. While it is because of Aqua dolphin effect that mainly forces the opponent hand I feel both should be mentioned. Before the age of at minimum 9-15 hand traps per deck and the age of links. I feel as though it only use was for hand knowledge but now it's far more. They are not super broken but I feel they aged well and can come in as life savers more now because: 1)Again hand knowledge being very important. Aqua dolphin allows us access to this. See what strategy the opponent may be playing so we can side in appropriately even if they give up without ever playing a card. 2) these 2 together could also force your opponent to use a hand trap if one is applicable 3) if possible rip at least 1 card away from opponent and at same time inflicting 500 points of damage. Worst is you rip no cards lose 500 lp, but again you still gain hand knowledge 4) it leads to instant link 2 if neo space is allowed to special summon aqua dolphin
@JakeLT64
@JakeLT64 2 жыл бұрын
Rivalry of Warlords is really the perfect example. At the time, decks were composed of 99% “goodstuff” piles. Type specific support was rare and lackluster, so Rivalry was meant to give you a benefit to running one type exclusively. Warrior/fiend/spell caster decks in 2003 weren’t accomplishing much of anything and desperately needed a way to slow the opponent down to their pace. Now TWO DECADES later the card is just thrown into decks that are already sticking to one type anyway, and there is effectively no downside to the card; it’s just an auto-win button for certain decks in certain matchups
@OG-512
@OG-512 2 жыл бұрын
I love Super Poly, Instantly Fusion & Graceful Charity. Those 3 have been with my for years.
@dazzabarloola
@dazzabarloola 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to see them add limits to certain cards when you have another card in the deck or you can't play it in the same deck. It would mean more cards that are banned due to being broken because of an interaction with 1 or 2 specific other cards could be played now. And when I mean broken I'll use the simple example of gearfied and the guardian equipment sword that returns to your hand when destroyed in the magical library exodia deck to draw your entire deck. (Yeah I know its not the best example but it's the top one on my head.) And that cards been banned since release basically. This would add diversity into the meta or many cards are limited to 2 unless you specifically need them for a extra deck summon like ultimate blue eyes. Idk, probably a bad idea.
@MerchantGhost
@MerchantGhost 2 жыл бұрын
Cards like Super Poly are more than fair in a game where the turn 1 player can special summon 14 times and end on a board of multiple omni-negates so that the turn 2 player just doesn't get to play the game after watching their opponent play solitaire for 10+ mins.
@ethana8635
@ethana8635 2 жыл бұрын
Honorary mention to Skill Drain, shutting off entire boards and turns with a single flip, all while in the current year people no longer run consistent (non-monster effect-based) removal like MST, instead opting for a single Feather Duster. From a time where Attack actually still mattered more than effects.
@MontyJojo
@MontyJojo 2 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to look at some of these older cards and even some of these newer ones is to read them and see what ISN'T on the effect. For example, Pot of Greed. It isn't broken because it let's you draw 2 cards (supposedly), it's broken because ALL it does is draw 2. Not draw 2 then discard or banish something, not draw 2 but locks you out of summoning or attacking, not draw 2 but you can't draw anymore, not return a specific kind of card(s) back into the main deck or gy then draw 2, and especially no "you can only activate/use the effect of pot of greed once per turn/duel". It's just draw 2. A lot of cards that are considered broken are like that. Would you all consider Baroness a good card if it had the same summon requirements as Crystal Wing? If DPE couldn't bring itself back or the monster summoned by it's effect got banished when it left the field, would you all still tech the engine in? If Halq locked you into synchro summoning for the rest of the turn you used either effect, would it be banned in 3 different formats? If Verte needed 2 predaplant monster to make, how many decks would run it? Look at Firewall Dragon. The thing needed to be errata'd to include extra verbiage before they decided to unban it.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
The reasoning on Verte could be related to Goyo Guardian. Goyo was a purely generic Level 6 Synchro with ridiculous stats and an equally ridiculous effect. Changing it to not being generic got it unbanned and it fell out of favour. Halq locking you into Synchro summons might be enough for it to come back.
@mrnekomaneki01
@mrnekomaneki01 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if yu gi oh would benefit with a set rotation. Like reprint sets for cards that would need it but at same time new sets that dictate how they want the game to be played at the competitive level.
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@5.99USD 2 жыл бұрын
No it just needs more support for alternative and vintage formats.
@StellaEFZ
@StellaEFZ 2 жыл бұрын
100% it would
@ducky36F
@ducky36F 2 жыл бұрын
Point I'd say about yugioh is that it, as a game, uses a lot of nastalgia bait. There is a reason why Dark Magician and Blue-eyes are put on everything, because people keep buying them. Heck even the next set has got people excited for Blackwings, and there are a ton of prepetually rogue decks that have strong followings. You loose a lot of that with set rotations.
@Trashloot
@Trashloot 2 жыл бұрын
I think painful choice and graceful charity are the earliest examples of this issue. Both cards are not even a +1. But there was little to no value in setting up your graveyard when those cards where released. Just a few sets later and we have tons of graveyard effects which synergoz way to good with both cards.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Painful Choice at least in the TCG only needed to wait a set and it could facilitate Back-Up Soldier Exodia FTK. Also in Chaos format.
@Trashloot
@Trashloot 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShiningJudgment666 Oh really ? I had pretty much no access to internet back in the day. Thats really interesting. Graceful was just a cool draw card that could set up a nice call of the haunted. That pretty much everything we did with it. I traded 3 Graceful charities for a DD Warrior Lady, an exiled force and something else because most people didn't value the card. (This was considered a bad trade for them back then, because we all had access to lady and exiled, because of the structure decks, while graceful was quite rare in my social circle.
@SoulKnightKing
@SoulKnightKing 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget solemn judgment. At first no one wanted to play it because the 4000lp if used immediately was seemed way to steep, meanwhile now its one if the best cards to negate
@joshuacaesar2025
@joshuacaesar2025 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is solemn judgement can't be negated usually.
@monkfishy6348
@monkfishy6348 2 жыл бұрын
Emergency Teleport came out in 2008.
@dovydasvesa1775
@dovydasvesa1775 2 жыл бұрын
Buster blader deck, especially the EX lock Whelp aged very well into these days. especially after support like buster dragon, prologue, memories and link whlep the locking became fairly consistent and most of tge modern decks get stopped pretty strongly. Especially for a classic deck like Buster Blader.
@melleen629
@melleen629 2 жыл бұрын
Super polymerisation is an amazing card, but I think it should only be limited if anything as it is generally not searchable, requiring you to top deck it.
@Zephylmar
@Zephylmar 2 жыл бұрын
You can name any token generator that isn't a once per turn like level eater and cards that lock special summoning such as jowgen, the barrier statues and vanity's fiend, these cards became broken due to a new mechanic and to the fast pace of the game
@Iguessimhere154
@Iguessimhere154 2 жыл бұрын
Lavalval Chain is one of my go to card that's pretty much timeless (unless Konomi errata it in the future)
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
That card is super busted. Good times though.
@Chris_Tootoo
@Chris_Tootoo 2 жыл бұрын
MST being heavily played for 15-18 years shows how much older cards with no restrictions in have aged like fine wine in the power department. Original CED is actually unplayable in modern Yugioh, not because it’s bad, but because it’s unhealthy for the game.
@TheMayonakaMidnighter
@TheMayonakaMidnighter 2 жыл бұрын
Trishula has just maintained her position as frustrating to deal with since her introduction, so what about those kinda, "still works" kinda cards?
@mordecai144k2
@mordecai144k2 2 жыл бұрын
"Her"? Wait... Trishula is a female dragon? When was this mentioned?
@yusheitslv100
@yusheitslv100 2 жыл бұрын
@@mordecai144k2 Trishula's gender is never stated, as with most dragons in Yu-Gi-Oh lore, but I can see why one might think that. (The name ends in "a".)
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
@@yusheitslv100 Or that the first part of its name is Trish.
@darthsithis1058
@darthsithis1058 2 жыл бұрын
So before watching the video, one i recently re-discovered is Jowgen the Spiritualist. So much better now than it was when it was released.
@aureum79
@aureum79 2 жыл бұрын
two good examples are appointer of the red lotus and artifact scythe appointer is pretty self explanatory but believe it or not, artifact scythe wasn't very good in HAT format at all, even upon revisitation where cards like cardcar d, archfiend's oath or nimble angler and to a lesser extent call of the haunted and double cyclone were found to be a lot better than people thought, scythe is now the new player to the format trap, because in most situations moralltach just does a lot more. and it wasn't played much until korey mcduffie made scythe control.
@SakuraAvalon
@SakuraAvalon 2 жыл бұрын
First thing that comes to mind for me? Rescue Cat. I remember that card being a common that no one cared about.
@coreanoloco8989
@coreanoloco8989 2 жыл бұрын
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@TKDread
@TKDread 2 жыл бұрын
There was a card I was thinking of mid video but forgot it, but Konami releasing a set that's like half errataed reprints would probably be really healthy. Less oppressive/easier to remove skill drain since they won't ban it again, weaken Maxx C to only apply to bulkier monsters or smthn.
@yusheitslv100
@yusheitslv100 2 жыл бұрын
Dolkka and Laggia: Dinos best deck. (I know Dinosmasher's Fury is 2017, but look how long it's been playable in reference to how long it's been legal.) Imperial Order: was banned, came off for 5 years, then banned again. Chaos monsters: 2004 (CED, BLS, Sorc). 2012 (Dragons Collide). 2013 (Shadow Specters released baby Chaos Dragons). 2018 (ThunDra and Levineer). 2019 (Seyfert and Space). BLS now and again sees that 1 person playing it as a tech card (yes, lower levels of play, but the fact that it does). HEROes: Stratos. Dark Law. HERO Beat. DAD Turbo/Tele-DAD. Modern HERO decks.
@jackbordar2727
@jackbordar2727 2 жыл бұрын
That's half of my Zombie World decklist you're showing.
@TheBearThatReads
@TheBearThatReads 2 жыл бұрын
At the moment in master duel I'd say Imperial Iron Wall showing up again as way to deal with many of the top decks banish happy cards is neat. Dunno how strong it was in 2008 but it's finding a use now
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Imperial Iron Wall was a bit of an anti-floodgate card so it definitely had use. Macro Cosmos and Dimensional Fissure were both at 3 back then. It was also an OTK enabler which bypassed the drawbacks on cards like Quillbolt Hedgehog and Dark Magician of Chaos so you could do endless loops with them.
@casual_bill8749
@casual_bill8749 2 жыл бұрын
Skull invitation. I recently played a goat format feind deck that ran 2 And I was luckily playing my odd eyes which significantly effected the amount of cards going to the GY otherwise I probably would have lost! 300 lp every time a card goes to the graveyard in today's game is just mental. It will burnout most decks tbf
@gungnir4015
@gungnir4015 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Fairy Dragon went from being a mid/bad Synchro to now being banned due to the rise of Field Spells that search and the value of a free special summon
@ViroVeteruscy
@ViroVeteruscy 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Rotation (and pretty much more formats in general) would help solve some of these problems. There was that announcement of multiple formats being a thing for the game but idk if that went anywhere (likely not).
@djfrankymix
@djfrankymix 2 жыл бұрын
All the dm staples tbh. Still can go crazy to this day.
@amosbird1988
@amosbird1988 2 жыл бұрын
What about pot of greed? As the card pool increases the uses and power of this car do too right?
@matthewstallsworth9620
@matthewstallsworth9620 2 жыл бұрын
The trap card Skull invitation is fun now days
@Regiultima
@Regiultima 2 жыл бұрын
Looking back I find it funny how the GX Anime unintentionally predicted how powerful Super Polymerization would be. It was hyped up in the anime to be this super powerful card the protagonists had to keep from Yubel when in reality it wasn’t that great. Enter modern Yu-Gi-Oh and now the card is absolutely bonkers. Crazy how the anime unintentionally predicted physical card game success.
@bstgamer1
@bstgamer1 2 жыл бұрын
Double Summon is one of my fav atm.
@masterreacter..9558
@masterreacter..9558 2 жыл бұрын
Nice hat and congrats on you’re channel reaching 500k you all deserve it.
@Dalinos
@Dalinos 2 жыл бұрын
There's cards that, as you said, "aged like fine wine". Then there's Painful Choice which just...I can't even begin to think of a comparison. If Super Poly "aged like fine wine", Painful Choice is the stash of 350 year old bottles of rum that a pirate buried on some island in the 1700's and it just got discovered.
@ChibiRuah
@ChibiRuah 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going with heavy storm a bit. It’s very easy to say it was too good even back then but it blowing up your back row was a down side and now its arguable too good because of that “downside”
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Heavy Storm I felt was a somewhat controversial ban when it happened (to keep back-row heavy decks in check somewhat in a format where Harpie's Feather Duster was banned) but I can see why it ended up banned now (turning off your own floodgates while wiping your opponent's backrow).
@mowsnud606gaming
@mowsnud606gaming 2 жыл бұрын
All hail the golden oldies in their glory and banish new overly complicated mechs to the shadow realm with simplistic ease.
@kookou13
@kookou13 2 жыл бұрын
You know there are a good amount of people that think PoG wont be a staple in every deck today because it can be "ashed".
@jaystapes3086
@jaystapes3086 2 жыл бұрын
MAXX "C" needs to be at 3..
@MDCGaming87
@MDCGaming87 2 жыл бұрын
#1 Pot of Greed #2 Graceful Charity #3 Your brothers copy of Pot of Greed #4 Your sisters copy of Graceful Charity
@OnlyTheStrongest116
@OnlyTheStrongest116 2 жыл бұрын
Nah Pot Of Greed doesn't even come close to being number one, Graceful Charity is better than it by a huge margin
@richybambam1995
@richybambam1995 2 жыл бұрын
Super poly is crazy but it's the player bases fault. Almost every fusion has to be generic to an extent because nobody will play non generic cards so they have to make super poly targets or give up making fusions.
@zzZDarKCroWZzz
@zzZDarKCroWZzz 2 жыл бұрын
Grinder golem went from a bad card only used in tempest ftk to one of the best starters ever with the link mechanic.
@jefferyherrell1232
@jefferyherrell1232 2 жыл бұрын
Emergency teleport for sure. It’s always been good but… before chaos ruler ban a ze Amin started a whole combo…
@xXSamir44Xx
@xXSamir44Xx 2 жыл бұрын
The easiest solution to most of Yugioh's problems is just implementing multiple formats. The formats with the biggest card pools in MTG, vintage and legacy, are similar to Yugioh in speed. Even modern has decks that can consistently win on turn three or four. Then you have formats like standard and pioneer where games can easily last 10 or 20 turns.
@CyborgWolf
@CyborgWolf 2 жыл бұрын
I use super poly in my hero deck and it works like a charm.
@SpectreXS
@SpectreXS 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the day the only thing even close to super poly was Chimeratech Fortress Dragon :joy:
@MiaoNya
@MiaoNya 2 жыл бұрын
Super Poly is now this generic sacky card that feels like everyone is running it, but I remember when it was niche Back during the days of Dragunity and Blue-Eyes being meta, Super Poly into Five-Headed Dragon was a hilarious Strat and could eat entire boards
@JF-xm6tu
@JF-xm6tu 2 жыл бұрын
I like that
@eleonarcrimson858
@eleonarcrimson858 2 жыл бұрын
when were dragunities meta?
@kslayer55
@kslayer55 2 жыл бұрын
Dark hole aged fine; simple but effective
@BahamutsMegaflar3
@BahamutsMegaflar3 2 жыл бұрын
Cyber Angel Benten. Not a ban worthy card but does deserves a hit for consistency issues.
@RoccoJulian
@RoccoJulian 2 жыл бұрын
Grinder golem and Gofu and perfect examples of this. Going from garbage to god tier overnight
@Zingar96
@Zingar96 2 жыл бұрын
Introducing Konami supported alt formats could breathe so much fresh life into so many cards that would help them age better.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 2 жыл бұрын
Blackwing Zephyros the Elite went from a mediocre extender that protects your Black Whirlwind to being a centerpiece of the occasional degenerate combo deck (ala Lunalight.)
@davidgutierrez2128
@davidgutierrez2128 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get a part 2? Like solemn judgment first came out no one used it and now a lot of people do and got limited
@MrSnakego
@MrSnakego 2 жыл бұрын
Book of Moon
@patirck024
@patirck024 2 жыл бұрын
Super poly is literally fine. In fact I think we need a generic fusion 2+ monsters.
@myheroandmadaralover2372
@myheroandmadaralover2372 2 жыл бұрын
yah so they can' eat there cake and have to
@stevencontreras84
@stevencontreras84 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot Terraforming but I agree with your list. I think it needs a second part tho.
@jounouchieternal
@jounouchieternal 2 жыл бұрын
Off topic, but where did you get that hat
@nightterror1170
@nightterror1170 2 жыл бұрын
I think a good example of this is sphere mode Bakugan go brrr
@davidvaldovinos1969
@davidvaldovinos1969 2 жыл бұрын
I think super poly is necessary though because it punishes players who over commit to their board and think they’re invincible. Also going 2nd in Yugioh is probably the only card game where you are at a disadvantage you need all the help you can get. People cry just because their unstoppable board Isn’t so unstoppable if you can’t handle that then go play another card game. Super Poly is not a problematic card like mystic mine and artifact scythe are where they literally take away an actual game mechanic
@lockednumero1
@lockednumero1 2 жыл бұрын
NecroValley is a card I’d say technically got better with age as moving cards out of the graveyard is soooo huge nowadays.
@LowellLucasJr.
@LowellLucasJr. 2 жыл бұрын
I still think its funny we live in an era where dark hole is at 3, raigenki is at 3, torrential is 3, cyber jar, sanga, witch of the Black Forest, BLS, Envoy of the End, Harpies feather duster and even Friggin Yata Garasu; yet many players aren't running them or seek out their equivalents.
@ShiningJudgment666
@ShiningJudgment666 2 жыл бұрын
Some of those cards have had erratas so it's not much of a milestone in the case of Sangan, Witch and CED. Yata is a bit harder to lock your opponent down since the CED Yata lock is literally unplayable because of said erratas, the Phantom of Chaos Norleras top-deck version is way too inconsistent (have to run bricks and top-decking cards) and therefore unplayable and cards that make the opponent discard that aren't banned are rare. The rest are just victims of power creep (BLS has a Link monster re-train which is better for multiple reasons) though Harpie's Feather Duster is commonly side decked.
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